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Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented
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Block Off has a step hit on. Stay lock. Here's your hosts,

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Jesse Severe and Victor Nuno Fantasy Hockey
Live back once again. This is Jesse

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Severe, whose voice you're hearing from
fan Tracks and over there it is the

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man, the myth, the legend, the EP ringside extravaganza, Meister Victor

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Nunio. Victor, how you doing. I'm doing great, Jesse. It's

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it's been a really good start to
the new year. The US won the

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World Junior Championships, we got some
hockey back on, and I was gonna

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say Happy New Year. But is
it okay to say that sometime between January

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twelfth and fifteenth? Or is that
just too late? Victor? You are

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okay and continue to say Happy New
Year until such time. Is I consistently

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remember to type twenty twenty four on
anything that I'm entering the date on as

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far as so pretty much like March. I think you're still good to do

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that, because I'm gonna be typing
twenty twenty three on things for an unfortunate

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amount of time. But yeah,
man, are your teams doing well?

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Are you in good shape at this
point? Yeah, I have so many

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teams, it's you got to modify
that. But my tidy team is doing

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pretty well. I think that I'll
be in the mix to win promotion.

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I don't know that it's going to
happen, but I'm one of the top

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few teams. I'm eating three.
I'm doing pretty well in the FHL one

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as well. I'm the league that
you and I are against each other and

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our friends of keeping Carlson Dynasty.
We were I was we elin and I

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finally lost, and then we lost
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a it's been a rough time,
but I'm really proud of the league that

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you started, the Diesel and that's
the Hockey League, the four sports.

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Yeah, and that was the league
where I dolean my co GM. He

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knows all the other sports. I
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when he asked me about a player, I'm like, you have to

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tell me what sport that is,
because I don't even know. Sometimes I

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just think he's making them up.
But I told him, you know what,

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we can go ahead and fade hockey. We would he would ask me,

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do you need to take a hockey
player? And we kept fading and

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kept fading, and so all of
the picks that we made for hockey were

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very late. But we're still in
first place, which is pretty amazing.

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I would say it's a cap league. It's a really difficult league. I

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ended up with some pretty strong late
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Zach Hymans, your Carter ver Hag's, your Joe Pavelski's, and then we

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had some good prospects and some teams
when they started not doing so well,

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I turned around and flipped some of
those prospects for some guys like alex Iovechkin

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and Philip Deno and Vlaimir Terashenko.
So it's been going pretty well. I'm

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really proud of how we manage that
team and that we'll see there's still some

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really strong teams in that league,
including yours, including Simoon's team and Kevin's

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team, so it's certainly not a
foregone illusion. Tony is the other one

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actually that is doing really well.
But I'm happy with how it's going so

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far, and I'm happy that we're
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Wait a minute, Wait a minute, did you say Simon Simon is

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sixth Sorry, yeah, it's Simoon. It's not Simon, what Simon?

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All right, this is breaking news. Our guy Simon is actually Simon.

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This is frankly, this has rocked
my world. I did I did not

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know that, and I think I
pronounced his name wrong the entire episode of

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Dynasty Sports Life that he was on. But yeah, you, me and

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Anthony work in the top three places. Anthony's team is destroying in terms of

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points scored, and Simon actually is
outscoring both you and I, but is

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in sixth plays. So it's yeah, this is going to be quite a

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run. It's fun to be playing
against each other wherever we have that opportunity.

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Victor, we got lots to talk
about today. The first part part

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of this episode, it's going to
be some Ryan Downey, some Tidy admiral

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coming in to sweep in and talk
about some of the trades that are going

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on. And again, once again, if you're in the tidy, which

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probably most of you are, if
you're still listening to January, that's great.

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If you're not, you're like,
I don't care about this. These

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are dynasty trades. We're breaking down
dynasty trades. That's basically what we're talking

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about here, So it will be
good listening for all of you. But

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before we get there, even if
you are not in the not in the

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tidy, not in any of the
types of the leagues that we're going to

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be talking about today, you have
the opportunity to chat free of charge with

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all the people who are and a
bunch more, and that is on our

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discord. All you have to do
to join the discord is to hit Victor

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or myself up. Victor is Victor
Nuna twelve on x I am Fan Hockey

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Life on x or. You can
email us Fantasy Hockeylife at gmail dot com

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to participate in that. They're free
discord. Also, if you desire additional

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content, you can hit Victor up, Matt, hit Victor up it,

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hit the Patreon up and Victor tell
them what they can find over there.

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Yeah, don't hit me, I
don't need that, but yeah, you

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can hit up the patreon. You
can hit me up, you can ask

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there's lots of good stuff. We're
doing Patreon casts and record the same da

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I'm recording this recording a patron cast
doing some bonus content, talking about some

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cap league risers and followers. We
do some extra things like the Tidy is

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a great thing that you can join
only as a patron, so that's a

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really great perk fun league. We
talk about it a fair amount. There's

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also Patreon Priority Channel and roster doctors
and things that we can do. You

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get access to the show notes,
which generally pretty extensive. This week it

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was at a hand there was so
many notes and charts and stuff that were

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added, so you get to look
at all that. I know, I

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find that useful when I want to
see the breakdown and want to see what

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people are talking about. So you
can check all that out at Patreon dot

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com slash Fantasy Hockey Life. You're
darn wright can now let's take a break.

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We're going to come back and Tidy
Admiral Ryan and Victor are going to

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talk about some Tidy trains. It's
time again for another edition of Tidy Takes,

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where we talk about some happenings in
the Tier dynasty here at Fantasy Hockey

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Life, and of course this information
is relevant to these players in all other

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leagues as well. But in order
to talk Tidy, we have to bring

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in our tidy Admiral Ryan. How
you doing, Hey, Victor, I'm

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great. Happy New Year to all
the Tidy managers and all the FHL listeners

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out there, and to yourself of
course. Yeah. Did anything happen in

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the last distance, last time we
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Nope, nothing at all, nothing
important, relevant, poignant at all

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to hockey fans who like prospects at
all. Nope. Yeah, I'm pretty

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sure we had a really fun episode
talking World Junior and drafting our team.

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And I think on the episode Jesse
said that it was that you and him

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were going to be fighting for second, but in the end it ended up

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being you and I battling at the
top, and you were winning till the

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end. I had a bunch of
American players who pulled it off at the

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very end. That was a fun
draft that we did, and it was

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fun to watch the USA bring home
the gold for me anyways, And it

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was a good tournament. Yes,
it was fun, and that's what I

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was referring to. Of course,
it was a lot of fun. I

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had a joke written in our show
prep here that nothing was going on,

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just this small little tournament called the
World Junior Hockey Championship that they only really

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care about up in Canada, and
of course, as a Canadian here in

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the resident Canadian here on the FHL
podcast, I don't care about it now

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because America won. So that's how
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I don't think we'll have any parliamentary
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Canada lost and so we can move
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bring their best players to the tournament
some day. That would be great.

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What a crazy concept. Yeah,
they didn't have enough ginger stash. That's

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why they lost, I think exactly. And we're going to be talking about

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Jagger Fercus today among other players.
We're going to be analyzing trades that involve

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players that you may have seen or
may not have seen in the World Junior

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Championship this year, trades involving Denton
Matachuk, Cutter Gautier, and then Matthew

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Patras as well, and then players
who did not feature in the tournament but

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were involved in some capacity Tristan Luno
and Jagger Fercus. After analysis of those

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trades, will be digging into our
long awaited by that one month analysis of

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Logan Cooley using two trades that have
happened this season in the Tidy involving that

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player. Let's dive in Victor with
a trade that happened very early in our

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Tidy season about a week into the
season, starting in Tidy Lemieux between Dave

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h The Evil Empire and Roy Team
Empire acquired Zach Hyman and na d John

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Carlson from Roy for Gabe Vollardi,
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Gotier. So lots of moving pieces
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realm. I'll just share what our
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our Tidy Poles and Tidy Trades channel. Many people think that Empire coming out

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with Hyman and Carlson here is the
better outcome, but a lot of people

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think it's even as well, with
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even over just over fifty six percent
voting for the Empire's side. So Dave

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had this to say about acquiring those
players. I just noticed that I had

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too many right wingers, so I
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a left wing or a d Roy
was looking for prospects, and he reached

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out with players he was interested in
and he feels they both got what they

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were looking for. Roy came in
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he was two to three years from
being able to go for it, and

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believing that his prospect pool was strong, wanted to bolster with pieces that would

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contribute for his window, which maybe
too three years from now. With Sandan

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playing well and with Carlson's injury last
year, he was afraid he would miss

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his window to get good value back, and he had this to say about

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specifically the Tidy League. An interesting
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you don't want to get demoted,
So he felt Gabe Vallardi and Phil Thomasina

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would help him stay out of relegation
but still have some upside as for the

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more exciting prospect pieces here. He
really liked go Tia and he wrote this

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was earlier in the season, so
he wrote that, especially with the mitchkov

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exposure coming, which is not going
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get into that. He also liked
Mittaichuk, so very excited to add him,

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and that he was sad to let
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a casualty of meeting Dave's needs.
So again, some really solid veterans performing

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maybe above their heads heading to join
that Evil Empire team, and some younger

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players with tons of upside heading the
other way. A lot of ways to

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look at this one, Victor,
And you mentioned there's a lot of moving

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pieces here, So let's try this. Which player is the best asset right

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now, and which one'll be the
best asset in three years? And which

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side do you prefer. Yeah,
there's so much going on in this trade.

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I appreciate you laying it all out
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easiest way. I like that,
the easiest clear answer I think is Zach

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Hymen is the best player right now
in this trade. I think he's really

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going to help the Evil Empire as
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or at least finish really highly.
I also think I think it's close actually

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between Attachuk and Gotier. So I
want to dig into each one of these

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a little bit, if you don't
mind, because I think there's some interesting

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situations with all these. Zach Hyman
is just a puzzling player. I think

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like he's just your every day run
of the mill, turn thirty and then

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become a point per game player,
Like what it? It just doesn't really

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make sense. He was always a
fifty ish point player for five seasons,

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and even his first season in Edmonton
was maybe a little subpar run a sixty

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point pace, and then he became
this point per game player the last two

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seasons. It just doesn't really happen
that way. And so I dug into

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some of his previous numbers. I
was like, I was trying to think

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about, is there a lesson here, right? Is there something that we

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can see or is it just simply
that obviously he's playing with two of the

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best players in the world, which
probably is the case, But was there

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something that could have predicted this?
And like his play driving numbers defensively have

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never really been very good. He
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say could finish, that could have
more goals or more expected goals than he

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actually had. In the situation where
he was put with some really good players,

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you could see that maybe he would
drive a little bit more. And

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we did see that towards the end
of his tenure there in Toronto, and

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we've seen it obviously in Edmonton.
I think it does make sense if there

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is a situation like this again,
where there's someone who has been a meddling

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prospect or a meddling player and then
goes to a really good situation. If

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some of these metrics are in line, it's possible, even as a thirty

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year old, twenty nine past their
prime, that it could be really good.

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I'm also really interested in the oiler
situation because Hymen and rnh are committed

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this team long term, but there's
only two more years of McDavid in one

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more year of dry title after this
year. If they don't extend, Hymon's

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value is going to take a nose
Diive I would say, I don't know,

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We'll see what happens. Obviously,
Dave's not going to care if he

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gets promoted this year and next,
and I think he'll at least be really

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good this year and next. Maybe
a little bit less relevant there. On

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the John Carlson side, I think
that's a little bit more cut and dry.

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He was obviously an elite fantasy asset
for a long time, and now

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he's just old in terms of hockey
terms. He's thirty four years old.

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But he has been declining for the
last couple of years, and his priiffs

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are still okay, but some of
them have declined, like the hits and

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not shooting as much. So there's
definitely a bit of a decrease here.

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But I think Dave can still and
you all can still expect a forty five

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to fifty five point pace this year
and maybe beyond next year. He might

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go down to forty forty five something
like that. But I think that Carlson

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is still decent for a couple more
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the things Rory was talking about was, you know, whether that timeline was

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going to make sense for him.
I think it's probably a good time for

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a lot of rebuilding retooling teams to
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can, because he's someone who I
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and we'll talk more about Rasmus Sandy
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emergence is coming, I would say. And Okay, so the other pieces

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really quickly gave Vallardi, Tomasino,
mittaycheck and Gotier. Valardi is someone I've

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long been a bit skeptical on,
but I think that it's pretty clear he

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is a fantasy relevant player in getting
the opportunity that he's been getting increasing his

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time on ice to almost seventeen minutes, and he's been close to a seventy

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point player, So I think he
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point guy. And you mentioned the
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seven is definitely like closer to middle
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not a top of the lineup guy
like Zach Hymen for the Forest, but

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that's decent. That's pretty good coverage
there. Tomasino, things obviously haven't gone

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very well for him, and he
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He's been the forty point guy,
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But I don't know that he's more
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is, you know what, even
if he increased to that, I don't

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know that he would be that helpful
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kind of a man. We'll see, but as a retooling team, sure

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take a chance and see what happens. Denton mittaychuk Man. He was awesome

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at the World Juniors. He didn't
deserve He didn't deserve the poor outcome that

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Canada got, he was great.
I think for me, he really did

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answer some questions in this tournament,
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is if all the pressures on him, can he be the guy? Can

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he be the guy to do everything
to play defense, to turn the tide,

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to drive play and generate offense.
And I think he did everything.

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He did everything he could. He
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about how he fits into the CBJ
blue line, but when I look at

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the Hockey prospecting model, it is
pretty funny to me that one of his

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best comps is his future teammate Zach
Warnsky. He looks a lot like Zach

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Warnsky in this model, and I
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kind of top pairing or at least
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depends on the style that you want
on the power play, whether he gets

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to run that or not. But
I think he's going to play big minutes

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and it's not going to be that
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twenty this July, and I think
it's important to remember that he was really

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young for his draft year, so
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He had to finish his time in
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which I think is nice. He's
really young for his draft year. He's

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killing it for Moose Jaw. They're
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title in Memario. Cup. Will
see what happens. But then next year

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he'll probably need an HL year,
maybe two, So in an entidy it

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might be a bit of a weight. So that's the other reason I could

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see Dave moving on from him,
because you might not see the fruits of

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Dentimitacha for a few years. And
then the last one. Of course,

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we've all been talking about the cutter
gotier, or or at least been hearing

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and talking about it all week.
The bombshell trade that happened, I don't

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really know, and I don't really
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genesis behind him asking for the trade, but clearly he wanted out of Philly,

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and I think that that's going to
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I think that the Anaheim Ducks have
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he was great at the World Juniors, and it sounds like he's going to

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sign with Anaheim after the BC season. Sounds like he wanted to sign a

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Philly last year but they couldn't for
whatever reason. So he's looking ready to

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become a pro. Obviously, he's
not going to forego his chance for BC

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to win a national title, so
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after that, I think the nice
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way for Goatee is more than a
few months. I think he's probably going

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to be in the NHL new next
year, and I think with this before

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gupen Anaheim, he could put up
fifty plus points as a rookie and be

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pretty relevant in the tidy as early
as next year. So that's really nice.

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Plus, you can flex that player
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I don't really think he can be
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I think he's more of a winger, which might actually be good because

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if you can slot him over to
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fantasy. I'm not sure it's as
helpful for the Ducks because I think they

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may want all those guys can play. See all those Carlson and McTavish I

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think are clearly centers. But then
Ziegers and Cutter. Gotier can play center,

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but I think those last two are
wingers, so either way they get

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a nice solid top six. I
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know you asked the question, who's
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there's a pretty good chance that Miteichuk's
actually the better piece three four years from

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now, but Gotier is going to
be relevant much quicker. So if I

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had to choose just for the next
couple of years, it would definitely be

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Gotier. But if I had to
choose four or five years from now,

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I might just want the defenseman who
is going to be out there playing a

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ton and racking up priffs and have
a really reasonable shot at running a top

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power play for a team that we
all think is going to be pretty good

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in the next few years. We'll
see if that happened at Columbus. But

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that's what I think ran. That
was a lot, But what are your

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thoughts? I was going to say, I'm going to thank you for that

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marathon of analysis you just gave us, and I'll talk for a bit so

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you can catch your breath. Here. The first thing I want, the

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thing I want to hammer home about
this deal is that it happened in October,

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early in the season, long before
the Edmonton Oilers plummeted to the bottom

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of the standings and climbed back up, long before Volardi broke out on the

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Winnipeg top line, and long before
this trade that happened this week with Gotier.

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But you have to look at it
in the context of starting out the

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season, and so I think it
does make a bit more sense, and

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it is a bit more even if
you look at it through that lens.

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Gotier to me is the most interesting
piece here. I think he's got a

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great opportunity with that young coron Anaheim
and will likely be a top line winger

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for them for the better part of
the next seven to ten years. That

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alone, I think is the tipper
for me. Can go Tia be a

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twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four
Zach Hyman as soon as three to four

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years from now? Definitely? So
then do we look at this deal as

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Valardi, Thomasino and Mitaichuk for Carlson. I really like Mitaichuk, but it's

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hard for us to know how he'll
fit in on that defense. Like you

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said, but if Warensky keeps the
hospital bracelet on. We still have a

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competition between Yurachek, David Yurachek,
and Mittaychuck. And you can throw in

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Adam Bokvist if you like. Maybe
I wouldn't, but it's hard for us

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to know how he'll fit in there. And like you said, if I'm

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Dave, I would be comfortable moving
on from him if I'm not going to

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see the results for a couple of
years. I'm not super high on Thomasino

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either. I think he might just
be a guy. Vollardi is certainly an

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interesting piece this year, but he
isn't the top winger on that team with

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Kyle Connor and Nick Eeler's kicking around. That. All being said, I

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lean to the field here and if
I were Roy, I'd make this deal.

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If I were Dave, I'd make
this deal. I think it's fairly

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even good job. Guys over to
a deal with quite a few less moving

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pieces, and we're actually going to
go through these pretty quick. We've got

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a few one for ones here.
A player who we didn't get to see

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much of in Gothenburg was Tristan Luno. Poor guy got a viral infection and

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was hospitalized in Sweden while his buddies
played one of the more underwhelming strings of

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games ever played by a Canadian World
Junior team. You got to think having

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some of his NHL mojo would have
helped this group. But I'll stop relitigating

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the tournament and we'll just talk about
this trade that happened in tidy Yager on

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December fourth, where JB, one
of our more active managers on the trade

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block, acquires Tristan Luno from Mystics
for dual eligible winger Matthew Joseph, who

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comes in at four point five to
six Fantasy points per game. Again,

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it's pretty even split between our managers
here. They all thirty five percent of

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them think that this is a pretty
even deal, with JB coming out on

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top with about fifty percent of people
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And talking to both Mystics and JB, they've collaborated a number of trades this

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year, the reason being that these
are the two managers who are not afraid

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to shake things up, which we
appreciate as people who need content. For

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this segment, JB says he's trying
to grab guys that will be NHL ready

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next year and we'll see if he
can try and compete next year. But

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for Luno, he thinks he can
see big minutes and Anaheim will be solid

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in one to two years. On
the other hand, is going for it

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now? Going for it this year
all in after a great start to the

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season, and she cited it's crazy
hard to make a trade in this division

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and that JB was willing to deal, so if she was lower in the

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standings, she wouldn't have made this
trade, which is true of every trade

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that she has made this season.
She's trying to compete and obviously Matthew Joseph's

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injury has made this deal backfire for
her. If I were JB, I

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would feel a lot better about this
deal after the cut four dry deal that

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sent Drysdale to Philadelphia for Beek is
really high on Luno, going on the

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record of recent interviews to say that
he believes that Luno is a big,

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stronger version of Drysdale, with similar
transition skills and a quiet confidence on the

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offensive side of the puck. Do
you agree with Verbik's assessment here, Victor?

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How can I disagree with the little
ball of hate? Right? The

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guy just knows what he's doing.
But then the other thing, the other

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clear thing here is at Anaheim one
hundred percent knows how to draft and develop

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defenseman. They have such a track
record. Even Noah Warren who was on

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that Canadian team and didn't he's not
going to get a lot of accolades,

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but he's another defenseman for the Ducks
and Rodwin Danichio, they have just seems

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like anyone they take, no matter
what round, ends up becoming an NHL

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er. So and Luno was definitely
someone that they had a little bit more

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draft capital and invested in, and
he certainly looks like he's he's trending in

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all the right directions. He's been, for those of you who didn't know,

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second round pick fifty third overall back
in twenty twenty two, and he's

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been and got to know for the
Olympeaks and he's been fantastic. I mean,

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he was almost a point per gameplay
in his draft season. He's well

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over that in his draft plus one. And then so far this season he's

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split time in between the AHL and
the NHL, and he's gotten some NHL

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looks recently, and as you alluded
to, I think the weight is going

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to be minimal, if not zero
for him because he's already playing in the

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NHL. So I think the calculus
might have been he'll be ready next year,

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which I think I probably would have
agreed with, but it seems like

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it's going to be sooner, so
you got to like that. I think

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there are some concerns maybe about how
Luno fits in with Mitchikoff, who's now

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injured. That might change because there's
opportunity in Zellweger, But I think,

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as you alluded to, the Ducks
have showed their hand that Luno is getting

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a shot ahead of Zellweger. He
is older. Zelweger is really young for

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his draft age, so I think
having similar amount of experience and Luno is

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maybe a little bit bigger, similar
mobility. Looking at his pnhle, Luno

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currently looking like a second liner,
but that's because they haven't played too many

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games this season. But in his
QMJHL's experience, he was looking like a

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first liner, a seventy ish point
guy, and in hockey prospecting, he

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looks like a couple of pretty good
players, one of them James Wiznowski,

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who was a star producer. So
I think I would lean towards the Luno

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side. Matthew Joseph is a really
interesting guy. My first take on this

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was like, Oh, he's a
fine kind of middle of the lineup guy,

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and then I dug into it a
little bit more, and I think

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it's interesting because Ottawa was a bit
in a bit of des array. I

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would say they clearly came into the
season thinking they would be better, and

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they are not good. But I
think Joseph is one of the pleasant surprises

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here. Now. He has three
hundred and fifteen games under his belt,

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and I wouldn't say he's an overly
large player. He's six one point eighty

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six, so I think his threshold
for breakout usually we says around two hundred

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games, so he's well past that. He played fifty eight this season,

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so he was passed it last season. His time on ice is up two

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and a half minutes. His power
play time on ice is is really high,

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even though he has zero power play
points, which is wild to think

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about, and his five on five
shooting percentage pdo are all pretty high.

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You blend all that together and it's
yeah, he's probably cooking a bit hot,

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is Matthew Joseph. But it's not
that hot, and he probably deserves

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some power play points which he's not
getting. Maybe he is this sixty ish

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point player that he is shown to
be, and for a middle of the

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lineup kind of player, that can
be pretty helpful four point five six.

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I was just looking to confirm tidy
scores. About three and a half is

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a replacement level for a forward,
and four and a half is probably middle

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to the lineup for most players.
But that's some solid production for your team,

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so it's not nothing. And he's
pretty good defensively, So I think

404
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,960
that Joseph is probably going to continue
to get good minutes and decent deployment,

405
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,359
and I think he can be that
fifty five to sixty five point guy,

406
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:57,200
which is probably more than Luno's going
to do for now, but Luno might

407
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:03,839
get even more opportunities, so I
definitely I agree. I think this probably

408
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,119
is fairly even because I think it
can help both teams depending on what they

409
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,119
want. But in terms of just
a strong, decent production, Joseph is

410
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,039
fine for now, but I gotta
like Luno. I think it's relatively even,

411
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,079
but I think I would prefer that
side. What about you, Ryan,

412
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:22,960
Yeah, I think FHL listeners will
probably not be too surprised to hear

413
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,240
that I prefer Luno as well.
I just love that archetype of player.

414
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,640
Any Time I can get a young
defenseman who has some offensive upside and can

415
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,000
also mix it up physically and use
their size, I can get behind that

416
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:37,519
player. I don't care too much
about Joseph. I agree with your assessment.

417
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,200
He's a good player. Like he's
middle of the lineup. You can

418
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:47,160
count on him for some offensive production. He's got some peripherals, not a

419
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,200
ton, but he's doing pretty good
in that respect as well. And I

420
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,960
love a player who's not afraid to
get dirty in front of the net.

421
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,599
There, I will say. I
was listening this morning to thirty two Thoughts

422
00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,319
with the Jeff Merrick and Elliott Friedman. They were talking about the potential of

423
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200
Joseph moving out of town. He's
a contract that they could move. They

424
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,359
need to move some space and make
some space for Shane Pinto and try and

425
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,359
make their team good, which is
something that Ottawa is not right now.

426
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,480
And so I do think for now
this is good for Matthew Joseph, but

427
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:19,319
I think this is probably the best
he can expect because They were talking a

428
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:23,079
little bit about like how high do
you want him to play in your lineup?

429
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,200
And he's making three million dollars a
year for the next year and a

430
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,680
half, how much do you want
him to play on your second line?

431
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,559
And is that too much even for
your fourth line? So it's a hard

432
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:37,799
deal to make, and probably he
ends up somewhere where he has less opportunities.

433
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:41,599
So give me Luno all day here. I understand why Mystics made the

434
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,079
trade. For sure could help her
this season, and we'll keep an eye

435
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,799
on that as we go. Another
pretty cut and dry one here from Tidy

436
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,319
Yager. One for one, we
have Nolan m acquiring Tommy Novak, who

437
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,279
is producing at about four point fantasy
points per game from Gambler's Anonymous who acquires

438
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:03,359
Jaggerfur. Similar players here, spread
out in age twenty six to nineteen,

439
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,400
but still playing I think a similar
role two years from now. Nolan very

440
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,480
simple for him. He needed some
more center depth, and they've been talking

441
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,400
about this Novak deal since the offseason, and so Nolan let it hang a

442
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,200
bit into the season before buying on
Novak as a fifty to sixty point center.

443
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,400
He would rather just buy on that
now instead of waiting for Fercus to

444
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,880
pan out. As for Gambler,
Fercus wasn't his first choice, but he's

445
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,960
an intriguing prospect. He had a
lot of players who were center only and

446
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,839
found that Novak was a little redundant
on his roster and wanted to maximize his

447
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,839
games. Played a very simple deal
there. When I saw this deal,

448
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Victor, I thought about the Spider
Man's pointing at each other meme. Once

449
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,400
Fercus fills out a bit, they
will have very similar builds and skill sets,

450
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,599
and aside from obviously Fergus's incredible NH
already shot, they will have very

451
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,720
similar skill sets. I think as
well, who would you prefer at a

452
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,759
Furcus in Novak. You're right about
the shot. When you were saying that,

453
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,759
I was like, oh, but
Fergus has a better shot, But

454
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,599
then you said that not much to
add there. Yeah, I think similar

455
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,559
in terms of perhaps how relevant they
are on their team and to your fantasy

456
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,599
team. But I think I would
go no back because he's already there,

457
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:19,319
and I think Fercus being a smaller
guy and the environment that he's going to

458
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,519
be in Seattle that kind of spreads
around the wealth. I think that might

459
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,880
be a more difficult situation to break
into, and Novak's already there. I

460
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,119
think we all knew what he did
last season, sixty nine point pace with

461
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,240
a eighteen percent shooting percentage and really
high pdo. I think we all knew

462
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:38,200
that was going to come down,
but it has really way over corrected.

463
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,720
I think he's better than a fifty
two point player, which is where he's

464
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,000
at right now, and for a
while even lower than that. I think

465
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,519
he was like sub forty point player. It was really not looking good.

466
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,359
So I think he was definitely a
by low candidate, and I think he

467
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,440
will continue to do even better.
Right now, he's at three point nine

468
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,359
ninety tiny points per game, as
you mentioned, and as I referenced,

469
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,519
three point five kind of being that
low threshold, So he is on the

470
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:04,240
lower end, but I do think
he can ride a lot higher than that.

471
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,200
I think at times last year he
was hitting closer to five or six

472
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,359
Fantasy points when he was riding hot, and I think he can do close

473
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,200
to that again. I have him
not in the tidy, but in the

474
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,519
one of what FHL dynasties that we
started, or the precursor that laid the

475
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:25,920
foundation for these leagues, and that
league, like the Tidy, does not

476
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,079
have a flex spot or a skater
spot, and so it can be difficult

477
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,640
to roster a center only type of
player like Novak. So from that perspective,

478
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,640
I totally get it, because if
you can get a dual eligible player

479
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,440
or a winger, that might be
better, but it does probably hurt losing

480
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,160
someone who can be a little bit
who I think can be a lot better

481
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,039
this season. But I understand no
one's perspective. If all works out for

482
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,799
Furcus, I totally think it's it
could be him, but I would take

483
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:59,200
the security in Novack for now.
Furcus, it was really disappointing, as

484
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,119
we alluded to, we did not
get to see him at the World Junior.

485
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,279
I'm glad the guy got at least
a trip over there and he got

486
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,319
to skate on the rink and have
some of that experience. It would have

487
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,400
been nice if he had showed a
little bit better at selection camp, he

488
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,920
might have been on the team in
the first place. But at any rate,

489
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:17,279
he'll just have to settle for continuing
to tear up the WHL because that's

490
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,000
what he's been doing and it's going
really well. Moose Jaw great team and

491
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:27,160
they should be real contenders. And
then next year he'll be in the AHL,

492
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,720
which will be a really important year
for him to see how that scoring

493
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,960
translates to the professional ranks. I'm
very interested to see, especially being a

494
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,720
smaller guy, which he's still only
one hundred and sixty pounds, that physical

495
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,839
play is going to be difficult for
him. So I'm curious to watch.

496
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,200
But I think Furcus is still is
going to need at least two more years

497
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,920
one at least one, probably two
and maybe even more than that to break

498
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,440
in. So that would be my
concern in this format is the weight.

499
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:57,680
If we didn't have to think about
the tidy context, and I was okay

500
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:00,400
losing a middle of the lineup middle
to the bottom Lamblick Novak, then I

501
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,680
might prefer the Furcus side. What
about you, Ryan, Yeah, I

502
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,400
agree with you on Fercus. I
really wish we could have seen him at

503
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,279
the World Juniors, but the wisened
heads at Hockey Canada decided we had to

504
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,680
see Nate Danielson and Oen l Ard
instead, that you've got to trust them

505
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,680
that they really know what they're doing
when it comes to hockey. Clearly,

506
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:22,920
I love Fercus as a player.
I love that player type as well,

507
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,680
similar to Braden Yaeger too, as
you'll remember, I love that player too,

508
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:30,480
but he's heading to Seattle, where
offense goes to die, and so

509
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:32,640
that would not be my first choice
for him. As a result, I

510
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,680
think I'll lean to Novak, who
I could see down the middle in Nashville

511
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,240
for a little while at least,
although I think it is a little hard

512
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:43,839
to know what Barry Trotz is going
to do there. Novak could just be

513
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,720
a seat filler, or he could
be a real part of the future theirs.

514
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,000
I think, give me the guy
who's doing it right now, but

515
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,519
Fercus on a different team, I
could be convinced. It's time now,

516
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:57,359
Victor, for us to cool our
heels on the World Juniors talk. And

517
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,960
as we cool down from that marathon
of discussion, it's time to talk about

518
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Logan Cooley. The enigmatic young center
for the Arizona Coyotes turn pro this season

519
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,519
and has stuck in the NHL this
year, which is definitely exciting for Coyotes

520
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:14,639
fans and management. I think many
people had loftier expectations for him at this

521
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,360
point in this season than to be
chipping away at a forty point pace.

522
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,880
But for me, he's played in
all of Arizona's games and is trying to

523
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,679
sort out his role on a team
that's full of Swiss army knives like Alex

524
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,679
Kerfoot and those types of players,
So good on them for sticking in the

525
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,639
lineup. The two deals will be
analyzing today are similar in the sense that

526
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:37,639
Kooley is the return piece for some
established pro NHL players with very little prospect

527
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,800
involvement. We'll start with the all
pro deal, which sees Roast Turkey acquiring

528
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,440
the aforementioned defenceman from the Washington Capitals, Rasmus Sandan and Logan Cooley from the

529
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:53,639
Logan London Spider Knights, who acquire
Darnell Nurse and Brayden schen And it's pretty

530
00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:00,280
lopsided here. People think that Roast
Turkey acquiring Sandin and Cooley is the big

531
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,480
win here. I think people need
to remember this is not a cap league,

532
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:07,840
so Darnell Nurse's contract really doesn't come
into play for the tidy. I

533
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,920
think part of the bad feelings around
Nurse is related to his contract. I

534
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,920
will share a bit of what the
managers had to say, although they were

535
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:19,400
quite verbose when they came to describing
this deal, So I'll do a bit

536
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,480
of a cut on the go here. Roast Turkey inherited his team this year,

537
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,559
felt like that he had to make
some trades to get younger and had

538
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:30,920
some good older stars in Nurse and
Shen that he could move along for Sandy

539
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,840
and and Cooley. Cooley was on
the trade block for the London Spider Knights

540
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,320
and so he reached out, gave
him a couple options and they ended up

541
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,599
agreeing on Nurse and Shen. He
wanted to move on from Nurse and Shen

542
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,599
and get some younger players that were
going to impact his team this year.

543
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:49,679
Mike for the London Spider Knights.
He's a huge fan and a believer in

544
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,960
Logan Cooley and sees him as a
long term, high end fantasy player and

545
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,960
it definitely hurt to give him up
in the tidy format. In his opinion,

546
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,880
it rewards teams who push in and
try to compete, which is what

547
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:01,199
trying to do right now. And
at the time of the trade, he

548
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:05,760
felt he was underperforming as a team
but could potentially be a playoff team.

549
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,880
He feels that Shannon Nurse had very
unlucky starts to the season, and that

550
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,159
when he looked at some of the
numbers under the hood, like on a

551
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,039
shooting percentage and raat stats, felt
that both would bounce back as the sample

552
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,199
size grew, which lined up well
with his team, which was also underperforming.

553
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:22,599
So he said he is prepared to
look back and say that he lost

554
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,480
this trade in the long term,
but over the next two seasons, which

555
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:30,679
is the theme today, he felt
he was showing up a couple of solid,

556
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,559
middle of the lineup players who could
help him compete and try to win.

557
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,480
Now, I love the analysis here
from our managers. It's clear they

558
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,199
both thought through this deal from the
long and short term ramifications. I also

559
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,760
love that both of these guys went
into the deal looking to make a big

560
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,480
move and swing for the fences.
And more of you tidy managers could take

561
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:52,639
some notes here, especially in Tidy
Lidstrom and in my division, Lord Stanley,

562
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,400
what do you think of these big
swings, Victor and which side would

563
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,440
you prefer to come out with here? I absolutely have to agree with Rose

564
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Turkey. I love Logan Cooley.
I think that he's everything that he said.

565
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:09,159
I think he's a true one seat
in the making and a fantasy asset

566
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,039
star fantasy asset. And I also
love big swings however it works out.

567
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:20,679
I love seeing gms who have guts
and we'll make those big trades, even

568
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,719
though sometimes it is hard to do. I think what was mentioned there having

569
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:30,360
an honest assessment of your team,
do you think you're really underperforming or overperforming,

570
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:31,599
and not just looking at the run
numbers. In fact, I was

571
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:37,039
having this conversation with a friend,
Simon, who's in in Tidy and basically

572
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,559
a dozen other leagues with me,
and I was talking about a trade with

573
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:45,440
him and looking at him, thinking
he was a rebuilding team, and he

574
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,079
was like, no, look at
my scoring and look at my team,

575
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,960
and they're shooting percent they're on our
shooting percentags are low and all this stuff,

576
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,280
and he was like, we're gonna
be fine. We're gonna make the

577
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,480
playoffs. And at the time,
he was like thirteenth out of sixteenth,

578
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,639
and I was like, what,
okay, I'm not gonna argue with you,

579
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,920
like I thought you were a good
trading partner for competitive team, but

580
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,719
obviously not, so move along and
go lo and behold his team has completely

581
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,800
turned around and are headed towards the
playoffs. I think it's really important to

582
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,920
do your analysis to know where your
team truly sits and then push your chips

583
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,559
in. So that's what it's I
totally respect that. And even though as

584
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:24,480
was mentioned, Coolly doesn't look like
he's going to be that star Fantasy acid

585
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,480
this year, I agree with you. I think it's impressive what he's doing

586
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:32,719
just staving off deployment and stealing deployment
from established NHL bats in his first season.

587
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,159
That's a huge win. Even though
he only has the forty point pace

588
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,519
and some of his underlyings don't look
amazing. He's getting a bit caved in

589
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,320
offensively, defensively and offensively not creating
too much. But still I think this

590
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,119
is a win for him as a
first year in the first player first year

591
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,760
player in the league. I think
that star breakout is not too far off.

592
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,639
Maybe next year, unless he hits
a sophomore slump. Depends on how

593
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,000
they decide to use him. If
they use him more as a matchup set,

594
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,360
that's going to take a hit.
But if they move him up to

595
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,000
that top line and plays with Keller, then all bets are off. I

596
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:10,719
do the Sandy in Cooley side,
I think a little bit better, especially

597
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,119
for now and Sandin seems like he's
ready and poised to take a bit of

598
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:21,360
the mantle from John Carlson as he
slows down. But it hasn't really translated

599
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,639
so much this year, even though
he's playing a lot, a lot more

600
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:27,920
minutes than he ever has huge minutes. Three seasons ago on Toronto he was

601
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,039
sub seventeen minutes and now he's over
twenty two minutes. That is a massive

602
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:37,400
responsibility, so you shouldn't be too
concerned that the points aren't coming quite yet.

603
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,000
All it takes is a little coaching
decision or injury to John Carlson and

604
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:46,000
then things completely changed. So I
do like that. But on the other

605
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:50,880
hand, I posted in the notes
here a rampum chart of these two players,

606
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,599
and it's bleeding orange. It's all
really bad. Like offensively, defensively,

607
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:55,440
they don't look good. I don't
know. We don't care about that

608
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,760
from a fantasy perspective, because the
fantasy points for the post of those are

609
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,920
deep, or at least for Cooley, should be trending up. But at

610
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,159
the same time, it doesn't look
good. On the other hand, as

611
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:12,239
you mentioned, Darneld Nurse is a
stud. Even though his minus twenty three

612
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,960
giveaway takeaway ratio is very bad and
his fenwick isn't as good as it should

613
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,880
be, he still has a really
high perferal floor and every once in a

614
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,119
while he's scored some goal. He's
scored a goal the other night. That's

615
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:27,280
huge and he's a great win now
piece. So I totally get it from

616
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,119
the Nurse perspective. Hey, yeah, he is absolutely going to help you

617
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,920
win now. In terms of Shen, I don't really know what to say

618
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,199
about Shen. I'm very confused with
Shen. We've had I've had discussions with

619
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,400
Shen because I have him in a
couple of leads, one with Elon,

620
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,079
and I don't know what to do
with him. He's just awful right now.

621
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:50,519
He's got a thirty seven point pace. He hasn't had that low of

622
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:54,159
a pace since twenty eleven twelve when
he played for Closierize. And think about

623
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,280
it, everyone, what team did
Bradon Sheen play for that year was the

624
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,599
Philadelphia Flyers his third first real full
season in the league, actually, because

625
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:06,639
before that he played nine games with
over two seasons with LA. So it's

626
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:09,320
been a long time since he's been
this bad. It just seems like something's

627
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,920
off with him. It seems like
some of the other players are being leaned

628
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,400
on more heavily. It's not necessarily
his fault, but it just isn't good,

629
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,599
and I don't think it can continue. I don't mind if I'm a

630
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:23,360
win Now team acquiring Nurse and taking
a gamble on Shen if I can afford

631
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,880
the roster spot, because why the
heck not. I think it can't get

632
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,360
worse than this, and maybe it'll
get better. And for a win Now

633
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,920
team, those are some pretty nice
assets. And as we keep saying,

634
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:37,320
if you're out of this division next
year, you don't care. But if

635
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,559
you don't win the promotion, yeah, Shen might continue to go downhill and

636
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,199
then you'll be a little bit sorry. But Nurse will still be good,

637
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,239
so I think you'll be okay.
What about you, Ryan, You're the

638
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,119
optimist victor, and I am the
pessimist, And I'm going to come in

639
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:53,679
here with the negativity on Branden Sen. For me, he's a bottom of

640
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,039
the roster player right now and he's
only going to get worse. And if

641
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,639
you think it can't get worse,
try watching Sat Louis Blues game. He

642
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:06,039
could possibly be unrosterable and tiety as
soon as next year. But Nurse,

643
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,199
on the other hand, is a
great get for a league like this,

644
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,199
especially since we don't count the cap
hit, which you have to do in

645
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:15,000
this league. Divorcing him from his
cap hit. You have a solid muncher

646
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,159
with great peripherals and some offense on
a great team that has poised to compete

647
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:21,519
for the Cup for the next two
years until they have to make a decision

648
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,840
on those star players. That's a
pretty fun piece to own in this league,

649
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,480
and it's one that we wish we
had. Lord Stanley right now.

650
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,480
Let me tell you, as a
Leafs fan, I'm not supposed to care

651
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,599
anymore. He doesn't exist to me
anymore. But I've always loved his skill

652
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,840
set in transition and on the power
play. And the guy hits too.

653
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:43,000
Let's not forget there were some pretty
great hits reverse hits, in particular in

654
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,239
some of those playoff runs that he
was allowed to play in when Keith led

655
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,440
him off the bench. As he
crests into his mid career, you have

656
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,800
a very intriguing piece for the bottom
of your lineup at least in this league.

657
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,559
Like you said, he might get
some more play when Carlson eventually retires

658
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,199
or moves on, but then you
might have some competition from the right handed

659
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,079
version of Sandeine, which is Ethan
Bear. I think he'll hang around on

660
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,679
the bottom of people's rosters, but
I don't know if I see much more

661
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,400
upside for him beyond where he is
right now. So if it's Cooley for

662
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:14,679
Nurse, give me Cooley. But
I think both managers get what they want

663
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,239
here. We'll finish off here with
a lecture from our favorite professor of fantasy

664
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,440
hockey Pies and Craftster. I seriously
feel like I learned so much every time

665
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,400
I read what Craftster has to say
in the discord or reading the analyses of

666
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,719
their trades. So Craftser acquires,
and this may seem a little lopsided,

667
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:36,800
but Craftser has an explanation here.
He's acquired Logan Cooley from the Cape Breton

668
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,159
Oilers managed by Ian for William Carlson, Toyvo Terra Vinen, Matthew Potras,

669
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,960
and David Reinbacher. So some good
young pieces, some good bottom roster pieces

670
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:51,480
here. People are fairly evenly split. I would say a bit leaning more

671
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,920
towards the Cape Breton side. Obviously, I think four pieces for one.

672
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:59,159
I think you can probably see why
people think that. Craftser had mentioned that

673
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,440
the seed for this year was planted
in his head over the summer when Ian

674
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:07,800
took over the roster and lamented about
the prospect heavy makeup of his roster considering

675
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,400
the relegation rules. According to kraft
Sir, he needed producing NHLers and given

676
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,599
the prospect of emotion expected he'd be
willing to sacrifice some upside for current production,

677
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,800
which is a deal that makes sense
for him now he's the one getting

678
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,760
logan Kooli. Crafts felt that he
had bombed the first four rounds of the

679
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,559
inaugural draft last year, focusing on
high floor players such as Shasturkin, Headman,

680
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:35,360
Caine, and Lindholm and lacking in
the high end scorers. He felt

681
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,880
that he could move some of his
middle of the draft pieces like Tara,

682
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:45,000
Vinen and Carlson to become deeper on
the high end of his roster, and

683
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,960
so he feels that this is a
commentary on how we should be building rosters

684
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,800
in the tidy where bottom roster pros
need to be better than replacement producers because

685
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,400
they're checking up a spot to stream
the farm into. So he felt he

686
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,719
needed to acquire as many zero to
one hundred game producers as possible, and

687
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,480
this deal presented an opportunity to send
some of those bottom roster pros for a

688
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,760
guy like Logan Cooley, who could
probably contribute very well as a minor eligible

689
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,039
player over to Ian. And it's
tough to talk about this roster because it

690
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:20,000
is really not a great roster.
I don't think I would mind me saying

691
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:22,960
that since he took over the team, he didn't build it. The team

692
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:27,400
is still without a win yet this
year, and so Ian felt he needed

693
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,800
to move some stud prospects to get
some players who can produce, desperate to

694
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,320
trade for some help. And actually
right now, fairly recently he moved Brent

695
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,800
Clark and Jasper Wallstad to a team. And that's that risk of relegation to

696
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:44,639
try and get Philip Forsburg and make
something happen fast here. What do you

697
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,679
make victor of Krafter's assertion that these
bottom roster pros need to be better than

698
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,559
replacement producers. And do we think
he comes out on top by shedding Toyvo

699
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:58,559
and while Bill Carlson to upgrade Patrist
to Cooley, in general, I completely

700
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:02,480
agree with craftser I think think that
you absolutely should be trying for top of

701
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,159
the lineup players and trying to cut
the bottom as much you can, and

702
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:12,920
for a lot of these players,
a flex minor player maybe just as helpful

703
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,840
or similarly helpful and gives you more
roster flexibility. So I agree. Knowing

704
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:21,719
that replacement level at three point five
points per game, Carlson and Tarravina are

705
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,400
either a little above that in Travina's
case, are quite a bit in terms

706
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,920
of Carlson's case, But in general, I do think that's the right way

707
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,840
to go. Patra is interesting.
I think he's going to end up being

708
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:36,039
close to replacement level next year and
he won't be minors eligible, so I

709
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:37,880
feel like that's a not so big
of a factor. Maybe that's wrong,

710
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,840
and maybe he ends up becoming quite
a bit better, and I think it's

711
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,639
reasonable to take the risk on that. For Turbo, I think he could

712
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:47,480
go back to being nothing. He
had long stretches of not doing much,

713
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,159
and I think Carolina, with their
spread out deployment, I wouldn't feel too

714
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,639
bad about missing out on that one. So for me, I think it

715
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:59,960
really comes down to Carlson and Ryanbacker
for Kooley, And in that case,

716
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,159
I think it is interesting. I
generally, when I look at these kinds

717
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:07,159
of trades, I see four guys
on one side, and I just automatically

718
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,639
think that can't be the right side, because there's just like throwing mud at

719
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:14,840
the wall and see what sticks.
But I'm not sure that's entirely the case

720
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,519
here. Carlson is a really interesting
one. I mean, we all know

721
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:22,360
that first year in Vegas he went
crazy seventy eight point pays forty three goals.

722
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,760
This season, he doesn't have that
many goals, and I don't think

723
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,559
he'll get any more close to forty
again, but he has a sixty nine

724
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:30,760
point pace, so he's not that
far off. He's has having the best

725
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:37,440
season he's had since that big breakout
in Vegas. But everything is running hot.

726
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:38,599
Power play, time on I is, total time on ice, shooting

727
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:45,480
percentage PO, everything is just really
high. Sixteen percent shooting, not the

728
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:50,159
twenty three he shot that one entire
year, but pretty high, so seems

729
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,360
like a pretty good cell high.
And then Ryan Bacher, I think could

730
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,880
be really good in this format because
he plays a ton, he should play

731
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,760
a ton drive play. I'm not
sure he'll have all the counting stats,

732
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,320
but he should be pretty relevant,
probably have some decent takeaways and stuff like

733
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,519
that. So between the two,
obviously, Carlson's gonna probably continue to be

734
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:12,000
valuable at least the rest of this
season, but then beyond that it's going

735
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,920
to get really interesting. I think
I would lean Coolly have extolled his virtues

736
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,840
above. I think he's going to
be a fantastic player, but it might

737
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,599
take another season or two, and
in that case it might be a little

738
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:25,119
difficult, So I would lean Carlson. I do agree with Craftzer in general,

739
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,039
but I also think this is probably
just fine for Ian. I think

740
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:32,199
he got a lot of assets,
and some of them could hit and become

741
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,320
the top line center for a really
good Boston team and play with Pasternak,

742
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,119
and I think that'll bump up his
points per game, maybe even double,

743
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:44,199
maybe even closer to six. That
would obviously pretty good for him. But

744
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,119
what do you think, Ryan Victor, This deal is a huge win for

745
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:52,239
Ian just based on the context of
his team. He might as well call

746
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:58,679
the team the misfit Toys because the
top scorer on his team is wild Bill

747
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,960
Carlson after acquire him from Crafts for
Logan Kooley, And so, if I

748
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,159
were in Ian shoes saddled with this
roster, I would take any opportunity to

749
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:12,280
get more NHLers on the roster.
So, although I probably would prefer Kooley

750
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,880
as a player myself, I think
I do this all day if I'm in

751
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,519
Looking at Ian season so far,
there's a shortfall of about one hundred points

752
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,559
a week. And when you look
at the high end prospects he started the

753
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:27,320
season with, you can understand why
this is an amazing roster five years from

754
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,440
now. So if he can hang
around for five more years, he might

755
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,639
dominate the tidy. Here are his
top prospects. Are you ready for this?

756
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,719
Victor Yeri, Koolik, Rutger McGroarty, Frank Nazer the Third, Matt

757
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:44,679
Savoy, Liam Ogrin, Jordan Dumay, Joachim Kemmel, Jimmy snuggerud Layne Hudson,

758
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,400
Denton Mattachuk, David Ryan Bacher,
Lucas Dostyle, You'll Hoefer, Mad

759
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,519
Soguard and Dustin Wolf. Oh my
god, what a team five years from

760
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:58,880
now? Right? So I think
Craftster definitely took the opportunity to come out

761
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,039
with the best player here, but
Ian got some players to help flesh out

762
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:05,400
his roster and acquired his leading scorer, So there you go. It shows

763
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,920
how this league is different than many
other dynasties. A. We've all played

764
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,440
against the team who has all these
prospects, but in the tidy that team

765
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,920
is going to be relegated and blown
up, so the urgency factor gets ramped

766
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,480
way up. And it's not for
lack of trying on Ian's part. He

767
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:22,239
has been one of the more active
managers on the trade market. As I

768
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,599
mentioned, he recently traded more studs
away in Jasper Wallstad at Brent Clark for

769
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:30,519
Philip Forsburg. That deal may have
more of the impact he's looking for,

770
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,840
but I don't think it'll make up
one hundred points a week. So sending

771
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:38,199
Ian our best wishes for finishing out
the season here, and thanks again to

772
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:45,199
Craftster for a great analysis of this
deal. Yes sir, and thanks so

773
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,519
much Ryan for collating and putting all
these together, especially the manager notes.

774
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:53,440
It's super helpful to understand the context. Yeah, our best asset here are

775
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,320
the managers in this league. A
lot of really smart people playing this league,

776
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,320
and I'm just really trying to knock
relegated myself here out of Lord Stanley.

777
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,760
So I'll take the opportunity to sit
under the learning tree that Craftzer has

778
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,800
planted for us and other managers.
So thanks everyone, and thanks Victor for

779
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:22,679
having me again on this segment.
The tidy takes selfish, that's right,

780
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,719
selfish, break it down, skate
the fuck, don't bat. Hey,

781
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,239
it's still gonna be there when you
catch up on taking Coast to coast talking

782
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,719
for angles are still shot bad bounced, that's a good breakaway. I get

783
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:42,760
the bounced boys that For the second
segment before that, Brian down and he's

784
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,519
a pretty smart guy. I listened
to some of the things he just had

785
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:49,519
to say, and yeah, I
think that's some great breakdown that you and

786
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:53,119
he did of some of the trades
that are going on in our listener league.

787
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:58,320
Victor, and now we are going
to talk about some of the articles

788
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,880
that you have rocking or there at
ep Ringside, where you produce some great

789
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:07,320
content and some of the players,
the ex gamers that we have to talk

790
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:12,000
about at this time of year,
and one of them, Victor Maddie Baniers

791
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,480
is our first one. This time
it's personal. I am a avowed Maddi

792
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:23,119
Banier's stand and he is definitely in
a sophomore slump after that Calder winning rookie

793
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:29,119
year. He's still skating with the
same guys, Jordan Everly, Jared mccannon.

794
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:34,519
His defense actually, according to advanced
metrics from Michael Blake, McCurdy has

795
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:38,760
improved, but the offense clearly has
declined. His powerplay production is poor,

796
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:44,039
his shooting percentage has dropped in half, So there's some luck involved there.

797
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:50,000
That said, he makes everyone around
him on that Seattle crack and franchise better

798
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,199
offensively at five on five. According
to the With or Without You except Jordan,

799
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:59,239
every who seems to do a little
bit better without Benier's and of course

800
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,000
that's bad news because that's who he's
playing with all the time. So there

801
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:08,840
is much to be said about Matti
Benier's I am hoping that he this is

802
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,239
a blip. The second half he
continues to take off. What do you

803
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,320
think, Victor, you have been
studying up on Matti Benier's and telling the

804
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:22,440
people your take what's going on with
Maddie. I think this is clearly retribution

805
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,440
for you taking him ahead of me
in the Diesel league that we mentioned at

806
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,639
the beginning. I whispered in Mad's
ear, just play poorly now, because

807
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,239
Jesse has you, and that's what
he's doing. I drafted Matti Beniers as

808
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,800
my first prospect, No, my
second prospect in a four sport draft.

809
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,480
Okay, my second prospect in a
four sport draft. My first pick for

810
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:52,840
a row turned out to be a
sex offender and probably will never play baseball

811
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,679
again. I don't know that I
need bad karma from you, Victor,

812
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,000
but go on, Oh, I
didn't know about the other one. You

813
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,039
guys whenever you guys talk about baseball
edit being now So yeah, I know,

814
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,280
but yeah, I think as you
mentioned, definitely seems like some sophomore

815
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,320
slumping going on. And one of
the things I mentioned in the article that

816
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,159
I think will continue to be true
regardless of his fantasy impact is that he

817
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:16,760
will always be a better real life
player than he will a fantasy asset.

818
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:22,960
Because Matty Veneers is a great player, He's valuable to the Seattle Kraken,

819
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:27,559
probably much more so than he will
be to your fantasy team at any point,

820
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:30,039
and that's that kind of sucks,
I guess, you know, obviously

821
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:34,519
for your fantasy team. But it's
also just important to keep in mind that

822
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,719
he is going to continue to get
opportunity. He is getting good time on

823
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:43,480
ice, he is getting opportunity.
His power play time is up this year,

824
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:45,679
his total time on ice is up, his shooting percentage is down.

825
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,360
Everything that you could pretty much point
to say is he still doing good job

826
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,079
or is he just is not making
sense? And I think he is still

827
00:54:55,039 --> 00:55:00,639
doing well in terms of the what
the team, what's helped the team.

828
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:05,920
It obviously isn't translating to the score
sheet, and that isn't necessarily his fault.

829
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,159
Part of that is the way that
the team is constructed, and that's

830
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:12,159
actually part of the reason I was
giving you a hard time. But that's

831
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,119
actually part of the reason why at
the time, when I could have taken

832
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:16,760
Mighty Beeneers in that league, I
told Dolan to go ahead and take a

833
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:22,000
different sport because I was just a
little bit worried that as good as Beniers

834
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:25,559
is, he wouldn't be able to
thrive in that Seattle offense because he's just

835
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:30,039
another guy. That's the way they
run things there. But it is also

836
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:32,760
important to realize that the Kraken are
currently bottom five and goals per game,

837
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,840
and last season they were top five
and goals per game, So that's obviously

838
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:44,039
an environmental issue that has nothing to
do with Beniers really, and he did

839
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:46,079
do a lot more. I think
if you look at his rampom chart,

840
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:52,880
holy cow, his actual goals per
sixty are cratering and his expected goals are

841
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:57,719
maybe not where you would want them
to be, surely, but it's he's

842
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,960
getting very unlucky, but still driving
play defensively, still very good. So

843
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:06,719
I think this is all going to
correct, and Matti Beniers deserves more.

844
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,760
But I don't know that he'll ever
be that like point per game plus player

845
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,519
that we all kind of think he
can be. It's going to take the

846
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,440
right environment for him. So if
it all breaks right and he gets some

847
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,920
really strong wingers and he gets a
coach that wants to play him twenty two

848
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,639
minutes a night twenty three minutes and
give him some strong finishers, then I

849
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:29,360
think he can but I don't know
when that's going to be. Jesse,

850
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:34,639
Yeah, it's not a good situation
there, but yeah, it's the Kraken

851
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:42,199
are a team that loves to roll
multiple lines at relatively equal amounts of time.

852
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,039
But I think there's going to be
a stabilization. It's going to be

853
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,360
better than it has been. Might
not be quite at the level it was

854
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,760
last year, But you've been saying, credit to you, victory. You've

855
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,599
been saying since day one, this
is the deal with Matty Beniers. We

856
00:56:53,880 --> 00:57:00,679
ask the people about Matty Benier's Mason
Black. The NHL Rankking did a poll

857
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,679
for US Matt Beneers versus Logan Cooley
out there on the internet, who would

858
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:10,440
people prefer to roster? Two dred
ten votes and Logan Cooley with a decisive

859
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:16,199
victory seventy to thirty. Is that
how you see a victor? Yeah?

860
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:20,280
I do, I do. I
do really like Coolly better. I think

861
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,880
both of these guys have the potential
to be a top line center in the

862
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,679
NHL, so it's hard to go
really wrong. I think in a league

863
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:31,719
like the Tidy that might care more
about takeaways and time on ice and Fenwick

864
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,119
maybe Benneer's gets a little bit more
of a boost. But Coolly, I

865
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:40,239
think, is a top line center
who can score point per game, plus

866
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:46,280
who has that dynamic offensibility that finishing
ability and kind of demands that top deployment

867
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:51,000
just because of his skill set.
So I think he's more dynamic. I

868
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:54,440
think he has a higher point ceiling, even though his floor is maybe a

869
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,920
little bit lower. But I think
the floor is actually pretty similar. When

870
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,400
you look at the hockey prospecting between
these two, it's actually pretty similar.

871
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:06,480
And the pnhl's well, you know, right now they look a little wonky

872
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:08,880
because Kooley isn't doing so well in
the NHL, but it actually looks a

873
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,320
little bit higher all in, although
I do just think that Kooley is a

874
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,599
more dynamic player, although I think
he'd be pretty happy with either Jesse,

875
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:20,880
don't you think I do? Yeah, I think Logan Cooley's definitely guy.

876
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:28,679
I also enjoy Victor Next up,
Axel sandin Pelica, a man who plays

877
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:32,519
for the Detroit Red Wings or will
someday. He's actually tied for second on

878
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:38,360
the Swedish World Junior's Championship team in
points among the defensemen, so he wasn't

879
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,000
quite the blowing away the field guy
in terms of defense, but it was

880
00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:46,880
still an excellent tournament for him at
the World Juniors. It was a ninetieth

881
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:53,360
percentile performance per Mitch Brown's data actually
among defensemen there. He was also injured

882
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,960
and allegedly will be out one to
two months with an upper body injury that

883
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:04,800
involves a plaster cast according to the
coverage there. And somehow the Wings get

884
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,079
one of these great defensemen every single
year in the lottery. Lately, I

885
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:13,159
don't understand they keep slipping to him. This year. I think it was

886
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,119
a little bit more of a understood
of a no brainer than it was with

887
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:22,159
Ebanson or Cider in some ways relative
to at the time they were selected.

888
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:27,079
But what did you think of sandem
pellicap because you just got a good opportunity

889
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,719
to watch him in the World Juniors, and what do you think of him

890
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,599
going forward to Victor. Yeah,
a player this young doesn't typically get the

891
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:42,119
reins to such top offensive deployment and
minutes at a really competitive tournament like the

892
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:45,400
World Junior. So it was just
impressive to see him in the role that

893
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,079
he had and playing the minutes that
he had. I think that sometimes gets

894
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,679
a little bit overlooked because this is
typically a nineteen year old tournament. Sweden

895
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:59,559
is always a very strong team,
and so the fact that they actually let

896
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:04,320
eighteen year old defenseman do so much
and they had. That was probably the

897
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,360
strength of the Swedish team too.
It's the defenseman they did really well and

898
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,960
it shows if you look at the
scatagraphs that Mitch Brown has on his tracking

899
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:17,480
data. Lindstein was incredible. He
was driving play in every direction. His

900
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:23,159
primary assists were really high but accuallyon
Sadeen Palika had more expected primary goals than

901
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:28,599
Lindstein and had a similar the next
best amount of primary assists as well.

902
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:31,239
So his play driving was really well, was really good, and all of

903
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:35,760
the other metrics looked pretty good as
well. His defense, his transition is

904
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,559
offense. He looks like an all
around stud defenseman, which I think is

905
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,119
really the question that we've always had
about him. Is he just an offense

906
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,719
like a smaller undersized defenseman, or
can he really truly be a top four

907
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,719
all situations kind of guy? And
I think he answered some of those questions,

908
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:53,280
not fully, but he answered some
of those questions. In this tournament.

909
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,039
He is looking like he's more of
an all around guy, and that's

910
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,159
something that I get into in the
article to which I encourage you to go

911
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,760
read, really breaking down like where
are his weaknesses, what are all the

912
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,480
things that he can do. I
got some great quotes from Jimmy Hamreen,

913
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,840
who we've had on the show,
and Lasi allen In who watches him very

914
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,119
closely over there, Both of those
guys in Sweden, and then a couple

915
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:19,119
other scouts that are here North American
based. They all had really interesting things

916
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,960
to say about him and what his
upside is. And I think the consensus

917
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:24,800
is that, yeah, he does
look like a top four kind of guy.

918
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,639
I'm not sure that he's a top
pairing, but I think there's more

919
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:32,719
agreement that he's looking more and more
like he can be in all situations kind

920
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,840
of guy and not just a bottom
pairing, top power play kind of guy,

921
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,480
which is the concern. Not from
a fantasy perspective, but if you're

922
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:44,920
that guy, you might struggle to
get minutes, even strength minents and put

923
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:50,679
up other counting stats. So that's
looking less concerning about Accine Sandal Pelleka Jesse.

924
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:54,239
It is a definite concern, but
yeah, things are looking up,

925
01:01:54,440 --> 01:02:00,440
assuming that it comes back very healthy
from whatever's out with Right now. We

926
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,519
had Mason Black put the pull out
there for people. Alexander nikishon of the

927
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:13,440
Carolina Hurricanes Fame versus ASP and the
vote came in and actually Nikkeishon edged Axel

928
01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:17,239
signdin Pelica fifty two to forty eight, Victor. Is that the same way

929
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:22,559
that you would rank these two?
I don't think so. I'm a little

930
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,679
I was always a little skeptical with
Nikishon because he's in restaurant and he has

931
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:31,519
a contract there for a couple more
seasons, and basically he was He went

932
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:37,119
from a nothing team to an all
star team and put up a ton of

933
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:40,280
points, and so you always have
to wonder is that not just the environment

934
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:45,679
or is this actually him exploding and
taking a huge step in And so far

935
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:50,360
this season he's got thirty nine points
in fifty games, which is still really

936
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,639
good for a defenseman in the KHL, So no no question about that.

937
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:59,039
In fact, he's actually listed as
a captain of this Scott Saint Petersbergtarian team,

938
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:00,840
so he's got some leadership put a
letter on his sweater, so he's

939
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,880
playing other minutes as well. But
I'm just a little concerned that he comes

940
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,280
and translates all that fully. So
I can understand why people really like him

941
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:15,159
though, because he is Nikisha doesn't
have the size issues. He's huge,

942
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:19,159
six' four, very mobile,
two hundred and sixteen pounds. You have

943
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:22,000
to figure he can play top pairing
minutes, and he's doing it already in

944
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:27,599
the KHL. The only question is
does he come over and does he translate

945
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,320
his game to North America Really well, I'm a little less concerned that actually

946
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:35,760
sending Pelica wants to come. That
seems pretty clear. So that's that's the

947
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,920
That's why I would maybe lean a
little bit more towards ASP than Nikisha.

948
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,400
And plus Nikisha playing for Carolina,
they have just so many options and even

949
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,039
though he probably is one of the
he is the top prospect I would say

950
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:49,880
in that system, but I think
there's just a few more question marks.

951
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,880
It would make me a little bit
more nervous, and I have to if

952
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,280
I had to really choose between these
two, I think I might just go

953
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:58,440
ASP for the more security of him
coming over. What do you think Tom

954
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:04,159
All? For security? And ASP
certainly was impressive in that tournament, and

955
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:10,519
frankly, also there is the in
Stevie why we trust factor going on right

956
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:15,960
now. Dawson Mercer of the New
Jersey Devil's definitely more of a known factor,

957
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,320
more of a proven factor than mister
Sandy pellicup. But it's Apple's an

958
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,159
orangees. He's not doing quite as
well as last year. Is the basic

959
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:28,800
story here. It's a little bit
puzzling. He's down in points even though

960
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:32,239
he's got a sixty eight IPP at
even strength, so he's getting plenty of

961
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:38,639
points participation, he's getting plenty of
recorded assists when the team scores. Boys

962
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:41,280
on the ice. His time on
ice is up a minute from last year.

963
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,400
His time of power play time on
ice is a little bit down from

964
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,559
it's low. It's the same as
last year low. He's not a power

965
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:53,599
play specialist at this point. His
linemates have been a scramble, a mess

966
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:59,119
on New Jersey, and frankly,
New Jersey's having a down year last year

967
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,599
in some fifty six points for him
in all eighty two games this year,

968
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:08,639
only thirty over twenty over the first
thirty eight games. Maybe, like Veniers,

969
01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:12,559
it's partly the team around him.
Lately, he seems to have rebounded

970
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:15,440
a little bit. A lot of
his production has actually come in the last

971
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,599
few weeks when he has been on
the line with Meyer and McLeod although that

972
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,599
continues to evolve. I don't know, Victor, it's it's a rough situation

973
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:30,360
with mister Mercer. Is there anything
you have to say about his season so

974
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:36,039
far and what your outlook is on
him. I think Mercer is actually a

975
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:42,920
little bit like what we talked about
with Matty Veneer's and that is and that's

976
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,239
part of what I talk about in
the article, is that I think he's

977
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,039
he might just be too versatile for
his own good. And that's actually what

978
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:53,599
I asked Greg Rushinski for one of
the quotes in the article, and I

979
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:57,440
think he agreed, is that he
is. He's just you can put him

980
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,920
anywhere. You can put him on
the top line wing, you can put

981
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,800
him as a second C, three
C. You can move him basically anywhere

982
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,280
in your entire top nine or top
twelve, even I don't know that you

983
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,079
want him on the fourth line.
Top nine is usually what a lot of

984
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:14,920
teams are going with now. And
because he can move anywhere, they do.

985
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:16,679
They move him around, and they
play them with different players, and

986
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,719
they have them play center at times
and not necessarily with the best scoring wingers.

987
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:26,320
And he's still so good that he's
turning that into offense and still contributing

988
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,480
you like that, but he has
some but he also has some sort of

989
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:34,239
mixed underlying stats. I think that
he is despite all that, having some

990
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:40,280
pretty high offensive zone starts, which
is which you like to see. But

991
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:45,199
then he's also when you look at
the teammates that he's playing with, it's

992
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:49,280
a whole jumble. Most players have
thirty forty to fifty. Even some guys

993
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:54,760
who play together lost sixty seventy percent
with one combination. If you look at

994
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,000
the frozen tools for Dustin Mercer,
the highest he has with any combination is

995
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:02,400
ten percent ten point six percent.
That's crazy, and the low it then

996
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:08,920
it's like eight eight seven six six. So he's getting absolutely thrown all around

997
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,719
in different combinations, and I think
that's also going to be make it hard

998
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,280
for you to produce at a really
high level. So there are a lot

999
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,880
of things working against Mercer, I
would say in terms of it being a

1000
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:25,320
true fantasy asset, unless you're talking
about a really deep league that has a

1001
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:30,360
lot of other categories. I think
Mercer's going to be just frustrating because I

1002
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,480
think he's hover around that fifty point
mark and the team is just going to

1003
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:40,480
feel totally comfortable moving him to play
third line center instead of top line wing,

1004
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:44,599
which we all want him to do, and he clearly can thrive there.

1005
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:46,519
But so come other players, and
it's specifically someone like Alex Holt,

1006
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:50,280
where it's like Alex Holtz needs somebody
to move the puck for him to pass

1007
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:55,320
him the puck. Mercer doesn't need
that. He can do those things for

1008
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,320
other players, and so someone like
Colts might get a better deployment just because

1009
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,679
he needs it to be relevant and
Mercer does not. Of course, Mercer

1010
01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:05,239
isn't going to get healthy scratched,
which Holts might be. So it is

1011
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:11,159
a good and the bad there.
Yeah and yeah again, his time on

1012
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:15,320
ice is up a little bit,
but you're right, the role could continue

1013
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,079
to be very flexible. Mason Black
the NHL ranking, gave us a poll

1014
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:21,760
out there on the internet. Maybe
he was trying to help Dawson out a

1015
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,720
little bit because he put him up
against Luke Evangelista, who was drafted about

1016
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,840
around later back in twenty twenty but
has not yet established himself in the same

1017
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:36,920
way in the National Hockey League,
and Mercer rushed mister Evangelista eighty one to

1018
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:43,319
nineteen in terms of percentages after two
hundred and twenty two votes were cast.

1019
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,359
Victor, is that a pretty accurate
representation of the talent gap between the two?

1020
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:51,600
I think so. As much as
I just talked a little bad and

1021
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,960
not necessarily bad, but complimented him, maybe in a backhanded way towards Mercer

1022
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,279
in terms of his fantasy potential,
but I do think he's a better player

1023
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,199
and he has the more upside than
Evangelista. I still like evangelistai He's only

1024
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:08,079
sixty four NHL games into his career. Mercer right at that two hundred,

1025
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,359
two hundred and three mark as we
were recording this. I think Evangelista probably

1026
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:15,800
still has more development and time to
go. But I think between the two,

1027
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,359
I still like Mercer's upside more.
And it's quite possible that the Devils

1028
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:23,840
get some more depth and just keep
Mercer in the top six and keep him

1029
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,640
on one of those top six scoring
lines, and then sure the upside is

1030
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,479
higher, and I'm not sure Evangelista
really is going to dictate that. I

1031
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,439
think he's more of a middle six
player and more of that kind of forty

1032
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:38,600
five to fifty five point guy when
it goes really well. The hockey prospecting

1033
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,079
between the two definitely has Mercer as
a higher likelihood of being a star,

1034
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,760
and the Pinchilli is similar right now
because of their NHL scoring. But I

1035
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,680
definitely would if I had to pick, I would believe more in Mercer's upside.

1036
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:57,560
Yeah, I definitely would agree on
that. And one more Victor,

1037
01:09:58,039 --> 01:10:01,359
This is a bit of a dark
chorus Jack. You wrote about him at

1038
01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:05,680
EP ringside. He is a major
riser this year for the Florida Panthers,

1039
01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:12,960
a University of Denver guy, So
that's pretty exciting. And what tell us

1040
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,560
about him? Why is Jack Divine
a guy who is coming firmly onto your

1041
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:23,399
radar? Yeah, if anyone is
paying attention to college hockey or prospects,

1042
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:28,880
they probably already knew the name and
were similarly wondering, who the heck is

1043
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,000
this guy? Is this for real? Do I need to be rushing out

1044
01:10:32,039 --> 01:10:34,960
to try to grab him? And
so that's what I was wondering, and

1045
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:40,039
I wanted to dig in and see
a little bit. So in case you're

1046
01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:45,680
not aware of Divine and what his
trajectory has been, it is interesting to

1047
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,039
look at that he was a very
late round pick, seventh round pick in

1048
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:56,760
twenty twenty two by Florida. He
is now twenty and he was drafted out

1049
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,960
of the University of Denver. He
actually played with the us NTDP, but

1050
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,319
he didn't really score that much,
and then he went to University of Denver

1051
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,239
as as a freshman in twenty one
to twenty two and at nineteen points in

1052
01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:11,760
thirty six games, I turned a
draft pick. And in all this,

1053
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,079
you have to remember that the University
of Denver is a great team. They

1054
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:19,279
are absolutely trucking teams. They're one
of the favorites to win the NCAA title

1055
01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:24,079
they wanted a couple of years ago. Their coach just won a gold medal

1056
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:26,399
with the US. He knows what
he's doing. He knows how to coach

1057
01:11:26,399 --> 01:11:29,319
players, he knows how to surround
them with talent. So this past the

1058
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:31,880
previous season, after the season after
Devine got drafted, he went up to

1059
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,960
thirty one points in twenty eight games
and he's currently at thirty points in twenty

1060
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,319
games. So this is why everyone's
freaking out because he's having this monster scoring.

1061
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,760
And if you remember back to when
we had Chase McCullum on the college

1062
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,840
scoring can be a bit wonky because
as he mentioned, you have twenty games,

1063
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,399
you have twenty events, and if
things go really well, you look

1064
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:57,159
like you're absolutely killing it. But
as opposed to the CHL leagues who have

1065
01:11:57,279 --> 01:12:01,239
played twice as many games by this
point, you have more opportunities to do

1066
01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:03,720
well, which if you hit a
bit of a cold streak, it evens

1067
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:08,359
out and probably shows a little bit
more of like the realistic outcome. That's

1068
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:12,039
really the question with Divine is is
it realistic? Is he just running hot?

1069
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:15,479
What exactly is going on? So
in the article I can dig into

1070
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,680
that, and I think that it's
pretty clear that Masimo Rizzo is one of

1071
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,760
the players who's really helping him drive
that offense, and Divine is doing great

1072
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,319
to finish. Not to take anything
away from him, but I think he's

1073
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:30,359
not necessarily the primary driver. Zee
William and some of the other players on

1074
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:35,239
that team are really helping and Divine
is basically just a shooter. He gets

1075
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:39,359
in the right spot and he lets
it rip, and they have given him,

1076
01:12:39,399 --> 01:12:42,239
obviously the green light to do that. So I think there's a bit

1077
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:44,880
of hey, this is great for
a seventh round pick. I think that

1078
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,159
Florida is going to be happy with
where he ends up, which I think

1079
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:51,640
is probably more of a middle to
bottom six forward. But you're getting that

1080
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:57,439
out of a seventh round pick,
you're pretty happy if people are thinking this

1081
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,920
guy's going to be a top line
talent, sure about that. So that's

1082
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:06,359
my overall take Jesse and the NHL
ranking. Mason Black put it out there

1083
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:12,399
as a pull jack Divine versus the
wonderfully named mckil illion. I don't know

1084
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:17,680
if his name is really pronounced Ilion
Victor, but Illan's that's a pretty awesome

1085
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,920
name. Frankly, I think he
should pronounce it that way. If he

1086
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:27,239
doesn't, perhaps because of the awesomeness
of the name, Ilion kept it close.

1087
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:32,960
The Pittsburgh Penguins prospect lost the Divine, but only fifty two to forty

1088
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:38,079
eight Victor. What do you think
about that, as mister Illion also a

1089
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:43,159
guy who is high in your estimation
right now? Not really. I don't

1090
01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:46,439
envy this task for Mason to try
to find an interesting comparable here. I

1091
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:51,520
think it's probably a bit of a
challenge. He was, as you mentioned,

1092
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,920
just recently drafted, and he's doing
okay in the queue. He had

1093
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,159
twenty six or say not the queue. The MHL He was in the mhllast

1094
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:03,520
year twenty six points in twenty eight
games and to two points in twenty one

1095
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,600
KHL games. So far this season
he has twenty four points and forty six

1096
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,359
games. If you believe in the
pro scoring and how difficult it is and

1097
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,560
that kind of league, then yeah, I think he's something to keep an

1098
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,960
eye on. McHale Illen il y
i n And if you believe it's Illan,

1099
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:23,960
then the Beastie Boys are probably on
this guy side because they will be

1100
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,840
happy about that. I'm not sure
that either one of these is really going

1101
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,640
to be a game breaker, but
if you're in a deep enough league,

1102
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,079
you should probably try to roster both
of these because either one of them could

1103
01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:36,840
turn out to be decent. But
I would probably stick with Divine. Even

1104
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,960
though I pumped the tires a little
bit, I still think there's a decent

1105
01:14:41,039 --> 01:14:45,920
chance that he gets on a Florida
line that is productive. That Florida team's

1106
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,159
probably going to be good for a
few more years, and he's basically NHL

1107
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:53,199
ready, and he could step onto
that NHL roster after the ncaa time this

1108
01:14:53,239 --> 01:14:56,359
season. Maybe he doesn't stay there
all of next year, but He's pretty

1109
01:14:56,359 --> 01:14:58,640
close, and he could get some
good looks. I know we saw Matthew

1110
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,319
Samuskevitch basically do that this year and
the end of last year, so he

1111
01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:05,720
could be in that same sort of
time frame. So I think it probably

1112
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,800
is close. I think some people
maybe lean towards the Russian KHL factor,

1113
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:16,800
but I think I would lean divine. Yeah, the defending champion Denver.

1114
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:21,119
What are the pioneers Denver Pioneers,
I think is what they are. They

1115
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:25,319
don't play in other sports, Victor, so I really have to concentrate and

1116
01:15:25,319 --> 01:15:30,960
focus on what their mascot is.
But yeah, alien from the MHL,

1117
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:34,479
the nemesis of Byron baders model.
Trying to figure out what to do with

1118
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:40,640
that that league's stats because they are
very difficult to compare. But it looks

1119
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:45,199
like he's also got some substantial KHL
time out there and quite a few points,

1120
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:47,920
actually half a point per game in
the KHL. That's not bad for

1121
01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:53,920
a young man like this, Victor. Those are the guys we have to

1122
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:59,000
discuss today, very wonderful stuff.
I believe we are ready to take a

1123
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:13,479
little break and come back to pulls
off the shot. I've said it before,

1124
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,000
I'll say it again, you should
play fantasy hockey on fan tracks.

1125
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:20,119
You can move leagues over to fan
tracks if you're still playing on one of

1126
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:26,479
those antiquated platforms. They'll even help
you do it if you need their help

1127
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:30,439
moving your rosters over and such.
You can start new leagues over there.

1128
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,840
There's free options to play, there's
pay options to play. Frankly, there's

1129
01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:39,039
a lot of options, a lot
of settings you can change at the free

1130
01:16:39,119 --> 01:16:43,239
level. There's even more cool things
you can customize if you want to go

1131
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:46,680
to the full on fan tracks,
and there's ten different sports you can play.

1132
01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:53,000
I play as many leagues of my
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1133
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:58,079
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1134
01:16:58,119 --> 01:17:01,520
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1135
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,800
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1136
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1137
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1138
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1139
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:25,119
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1140
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1141
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1142
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1145
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1148
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1155
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1160
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