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You're listening to your worst friend going
deeper. You're listening to your worst friend

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with Shane and Matt going Deeper.
Today, I'm joined by my friend and

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co host Shane Hi and a very
special guest, the number one returning guest,

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the only returning guest we've ever had
on the show to this point.

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Um, let me give a little
backstory. Then I'm going to introduce her,

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and then we're gonna plug her.
Not in the way you would hope,

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not in the way I would hope, but it's not the Yeah.

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No. Um. So, the
first season we got to do the show,

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and basically I'm going everywhere I can
to try and find some level of

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porn star or porn creator or whatever. We've got some major names. We've

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got Sarah j was on that season. We got Rebel Lynn was on that

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season. And then as I'm going
through Reddit, I find a performer from

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one of the better amateur sites I've
ever seen, which was at the time,

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Texas boukaki dot com. And I
see that this performer is on Reddit

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and promoting herself and whatever. I'm
like, oh shit, I don't know

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if she's the biggest name to put
on this, but I need to get

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this person on and talk about this
site in her experience shooting it and whatever.

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So we finished the season, we
put it up. I mean immediately,

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this girl, her video on YouTube, on X videos, on everything

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else is surpassing all of the people. Sarah Jay again at the time had

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five million followers on Instagram, and
this girl beat Sarah Jay by like fivefold

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in terms of views. Because I
think she's adorable. One. She's a

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great performer too. She's interesting to
listen to, especially if you just see

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a clip of it, you're gonna
be like, oh wow, I want

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to hear this chicktok. So out
of all the offers we've had of other

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girls to come back on and you
know, catch up on their life and

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this and that, this is the
first person that I've been like, you

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know what, Yes, let's let's
have her back on. Let's consider it.

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I'm going out of my way to
ask her to come back on.

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Ladies and gentlemen with us today.
Kat Karma Orgasmic, I don't back by

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popular demand. Back by popular demand. You can find Kat Karma Orgasmic on

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Instagram for now until it gets booted
again. Because she's got a nasty habit

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of posting stuff that crosses the line
at kat karma oo and that's the letter.

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Oh correct, cat yep okay kat
karma oo on Twitter at kitty kat

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Karma two on only fans kat Karma
orgasmic. Now we're going to delve into

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that a little too. But what
I love is she's not the type that

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you sign up for only fans and
then every other post is a twenty five

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dollar post or a thirty dollars post
or this and that, Oh would you

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like to see me naked? Here? This is going to cost you five

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bucks. You sign up for cats
only fans and it's just right off the

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bat boom. You know, got
everything? This is it. She's bearing

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all. And if you want to
get individual videos, go to many VIDs

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and search cat karma. You'll see
her. I googled it to cat Karma

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orgasmic. Google will take you to
it. Ladies and gentlemen, cat Karma

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orgasmccat. How are you today?
Great? How are you not? Bad?

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Whirlwind year and a half me finding
you on fucking Reddit and begging you

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to come on you having X amount
of followers and a few videos and whatever?

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Cut two a year and a half. We've talked to some of the

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biggest names in the industry. I've
been talked to by PR agents telling me

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that we can definitely probably get our
podcast nominated for a v AN Award next

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year. And you are just blowing
up all over Twitter. You're shooting with

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bigger names. Right. What's it
been like in the last year and a

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half? Oh my gosh, it
feels like three years. Like it feels

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like way longer than a year and
a half to me. Been so busy

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and it's like NonStop. Yeah,
sure, So what goes into that?

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I mean, did you just so
again? I should have really went back

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and listened to an original interview.
But was this your job job at the

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time when we originally talked to you
back in like December of what twenty one

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minute? Still just a hobby?
Was it more of a hobby? Yeah?

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I think I had like just quit
my job. Okay, Like I

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was doing this as like a hobby
for like two years and then yeah,

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I think I had just quit.
So how long into quitting that job or

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maybe at the time and it did
it? When did you surpass your income

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from the other job? When were
you like, shit, man, I'm

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losing money going to this job.
I could be mega more of I'm just

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pushing out content more often. Was
it then right then and there? Yeah,

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it definitely happened around a year and
a half. I mean it was

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really before that, and I was
just like nervous to quit my job.

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Yeah. It's a big, big
step, a big commitment. In a

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lot of times, people have been
at a job for a while. So

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it's like you're throwing away what is
it the phrase burning a bridge, right,

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It's like you're yeah, you're giving
up like benefits and relationships and security.

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Yeah, so that's a huge step, even if you're making more money.

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Yeah, exactly, And you never
know, there's always it's always risky

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no matter what job you do.
I told myself that all the time,

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Like, no matter what job you're
working, it's not like guarantee that you're

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going to keep your job. So
yeah, it was a big risk though,

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and also the fact that like your
employers will probably find out eventually and

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they're all going to become fans.
Yeah yeah, hey maybe, but I

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probably won't be able to go back
to that job that. Yeah, I've

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been doing that job for a long
time. What's it like, was it

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a Jewish daycare center? Like,
why are you not going to be able

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to go back to it? You
know, No, it was it was

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actually just like hospitality. I was
in sales and also like managing and employees.

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So I think that does become an
issue for some employers, totally.

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Yeah, yeah, the guy finds
out. Yeah, it's a shame too.

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One of the first girls we talked
to was Gauge. Engage was a

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very famous born star, very famous
back in the mid two thousands. She

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left the industry. She went to
school. She got her degree for like,

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not a social worker. It was
something in the medical field actually,

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like it was the bottomy. Yeah, yeah, it was. She was

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working in a hospital and then she
got the thing where her employers started like,

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you know, showing her, Hey, checked this out. Look I

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found a picture you taking it in
the ass? Isn't that funny? That's

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pretty rude, yeah, dude,
And she had to eventually quit that.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's see that's crossed as a line.

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See. Yeah, I thought I
thought it funny when she said if a

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guy finds out, because I think
women are just as likely to do that,

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right, you know, like,
yeah, did she jealous, Caddy.

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Women can do shit like that too. It's just such such a rude

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thing because I can't imagine going on
someone's Instagram and finding a picture them like

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at church or hunting or on an
ATV or doing anything recreationally and then being

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like, hey, look at this. You're a piece of shit for it,

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you know, yeah, I mean
yeah, some people I think are

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bored with their own lives. You
know. As I say that, though,

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let me play a little Devil's advocate, because I wouldn't ever harass somebody

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about it. But like, if
I'm working with Kat at some hospitality thing

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or something and I know what she
does or whatever, I desperately and I

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have the couth to not do it, but I desperately want to be like

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Sty's shooting something this weekend, Like
I'm not calling it out to the office,

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and be like, by the way, Cat's gonna need to leave a

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little early on Friday because she's got
to ice herself down. But but but

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I understand why women wouldn't want it
acknowledged at all in a workspace other than

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the industry, because you know,
maybe they don't, but I would so

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desperately the same way like if you
saw a girl that you knew from high

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school naked, where you would kind
of want to be like, even if

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she wasn't that hot, you'd want
to be like, oh god, I

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want to see more of that,
the factor of knowing that person, you

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know, in that kind of Wow. I really sound creepy with this,

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in that intimate way where I want
to engage with them and I don't want

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to do anything. I don't need
to fuck them, I don't need to

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do any of that stuff, but
I do want to like delve into their

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brain and be like, oh god, what were you thinking during this scene?

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And you can't do that for hours, which is right. I don't

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know why you seem a little more
open, like if someone questioned you on

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that, you might be like,
that's what someone come to me. I

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asked me, be like, is
this like you? Instead of being like,

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yo, this bitch is getting DPD
on the weekend, I'd rather someone

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me and after that's like way cooler
to me. Just yeah, confront me

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about it instead of making it all
weird and talking behind my back. And

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then there's this weird vibe because that
definitely happened really oh yeah, yeah,

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Like how like how did was it
managers or was it like really? Yeah,

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it was like an employee from another
department, a guy I think he

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saw one of my videos and was
he like told my boss and then he

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told him that I was like filming
in our hotel rooms or something like that,

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and like I never did that ever
at any point, so I just

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they couldn't ever like get me for
anything. So it wasn't until after I

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quit that job somehow I found out
that that had happened, and I was

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like, that explains the weird fucking
vibes. Ah for sure. Wait a

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minute, this brings up a really
interesting, not at all really related to

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any of your industry work question,
put more of a hotel question. Yeah,

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did you ever have situations where it
was just blatantly obvious that someone was

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going to be shooting porn? And
then what is like what's protocol on that?

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Or you know, like like what
if you know, one chick is

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walking in with like seven dudes and
then another two nerves you guys carrying lighting

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equipment? Are you kind of like, well, this is just normal is

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how things work? See? That
actually never happened, but I did definitely

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like see some sales happen ob Yeah, um, you know, like the

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maintenance guy will like go in a
room and he's come out and be like,

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there's camera set up in that hot
room those Yeah, is there is

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there policy behind that? Do you
have to like do anything? No,

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it's just like you rented this room, take it, Yeah, I mean

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yeah, unless you're trying to film
out in the public space anything. It's

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not like the rooms branded right,
Like, it's not like they have big

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signs everywhere like whatever holiday in,
right, It's kind of non non descript.

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It's discreet. So I think that, yeah, just let let him

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beat. But but you got accused
specifically of using the rooms of a hotel

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you worked at. Is that what
the accusation was? Yeah, like that

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brand that chain. Okay, but
they couldn't. So that's cool though.

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That so you didn't find out about
it until you left, So that means

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that your employers did the right thing. That means they they took this person's

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complaint and they were like, look, dude, you know, even if

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she is sucking in these rooms,
she's probably renting them. We can't we

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don't have any proof that she's yeah, exactly exactly. So yeah, so

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yeah, no need to h to
name the company or anything, but shout

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out to the HR department for not
making you into a bad guy or a

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victim or something. Sure, yeah, they definitely gave me some shitty treatment

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though. Oh never mind, Yeah, yeah, fuck them. Uh no,

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I mean I already burned that bridge, but I hate to burn bridges.

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Now here's the question. Do you
still use do you still use that

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chain to shoot your current videos?
Or have we moved on to a higher

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class or depending upon the set,
maybe a lower class if that's lower class?

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Oh wow, okay, I prefer
that. I prefer that personally.

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Casinos are fun. There you go, there you go. Um, all

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right, so in the last year
and a half, what have we done

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that you let me ask, in
the last year and a half, what

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is the work you've done that you're
most proud of? Uh? In terms

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of something you shot, maybe something
new you tried. Um, has there

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been any scenes? I notice you've
been doing what seems like a lot more

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collaborations with people, it seems.
Yeah, So now do they reach out

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to you? Do you reach out
to them? How does that work?

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Uh? Well so far? Sorry? No, at least go ahead,

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I keep choking myself with my babypen
Normally, I think all the scenes I

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did last year were they reached out
to me, like to us right,

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um, but yeah, I think
that those are my most proud Like last

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year was just so busy. I
think I'm proud of the volume of work

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that I produced last year. Sure. Honestly, I was just kind of

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reviewing the year, you know,
because it was the beginning of the year,

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and I was like, Damn,
we've been so busy. There are

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so many gang bang videos specifically and
like full length videos on my page,

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and yeah, I mean just the
amount of scenes I'm proud of, you

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know. That's That's what I meant
to ask about. With your collaborations,

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I see you do a lot of
these gang bangs. Seems like all your

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collabs are with a lot of dudes. Do you do you collaborate with other

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women at all? Or is it
just just dudes? It's actually girls who

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and then we just invite all the
dudes? True? Got it? So

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are you are you into girls as
well? Cat or no? Yes?

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Yeah, I think bisexual. I
am. I've always been weird about labels,

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like my whole life, but I
would say I'm by Okay, when

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was this I gets real into like
stern territory. What was your first experience

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with a girl? Was it when
you were younger? Was it like college?

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Was it like arm o'clock working at
a hotel somewhere and that's why you

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should be in trouble or like where? Way before that? Okay, I

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was very young, probably too young, I don't know. Yeah, so

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young. Cat was nine, the
woman was forty six. No, no,

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it was just I've always yeah,
I think I started experimenting with girls

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first, Okay, from like the
age that you go have sleepovers. Sure,

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yeah, that's how I've heard it
happen to a lot, especially like

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my wife is probably would brand herself
as bisexual most likely. I think she

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actually might be more of a lesbian
if we're being honest. But that might

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just speak to my inadequacies in lifectrum. Yeah, sure, it's a spectrum,

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and she thinks I'm on a different
spectrum. So that's probably why she

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doesn't she doesn't love me, but
um yeah she does, But um yeah,

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I think that's you know, I
feel I would love to know the

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percentage of women who are like experimenting
when they're younger in either middle school.

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I think everyone does it probably are
Yeah, well, if it's if it's

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a if it's a self experimentation,
you're right, it's definitely a one hundred

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percent. But the to the sleepover
thing, like I think you that doesn't

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determine whether you come out and buy
um, but I think it can you

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know, help you figure it out
sooner because like from for instance, my

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wife was not allowed to ever have
a sleepover for her whole life, so

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like that was like a rule that
she was forbidden, like from going and

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sleeping in other kids houses. It's
like over productive type thing. But because

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of that, she was denied the
experience of ever being able to but she

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still turned out, you know,
pretty pretty much a lesbian too. So

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it's it's not like going to sleepovers
or getting your your your clit diddled,

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you know, you know a little
bit earlier, you know, makes it

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makes you turn out one way or
the other in terms of your preferences.

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I think that's just like probably pretty
ingrained in you from the beginning. Yeah,

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I personally think everyone could be on
the spectrum a little bit as far

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as sexuality, Like oh yeah,
I'm okay, that's just my opinion.

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No, I think that's fair.
I think that's probably fair. Not me,

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like I'm some like straight majo do. But yeah, no, sure,

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I get to other people and stuff. I'm just kidding. Well.

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And then one of the other things
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you was the mainstream videos. Right, so again you had shot four scenes

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for Texas Bukaki dot Com, which
always end it real beautifully. I think

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through doing this I've learned I have
a bit of a come fetish, whether

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it's facial swallowing or whatever. I'm
a fan of it. So obviously getting

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to talk to you, I was
like, it's great, this is cool.

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Cheko understands me what I But then
as we were talking about it,

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you were offered I remember at the
time, now see this is my memory

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because I did not go and do
this. And there's a couple of times,

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you know, when I'll bring up
other things too, that you'll be

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like, wow, you remembered that
you were offered to shoot for the site

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in Spain, Right, Yeah,
you didn't remember that. Yeah, what

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is the name of that site?
It's like so premium cocky is Yeah,

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So I have stayed in touch with
them, have you Okay, yeah,

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okay, Now, Shane, you
may not know those videos that is um

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just chicks chugging down gallons full of
loads or dumping them all like a cup

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or something, I mean fucking in
a in a small kiddie pool basically when

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you see the amount of these things. So it's like, it's like that.

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Remember that old viral video literally Drowned
by semen I think it was the

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title maybe probably like it was like
one of those videos where guys like hooked

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up to a funnel and they are
they're like they're drowning and semen um.

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It's self explanatory. Now I don't
remember that one personally, but yeah,

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maybe, I mean sure I can
picture it once you've described it so beautifully.

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Yes, okay, So it's it's
something like that where that the focus

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is on the comical amounts of seamen
going onto someone's face or in their mouth.

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Okay, I get it. I
like it. Okay. So we're

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still in contact with them now again, You've been so successful with your own

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only Fans brand, right that it
seems like and what we've learned after talking

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to girls for all this time is
that so many girls in the mainstream don't

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even really care about the mainstream shoots. It's a great advertisement for them,

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that's it. It's a great advertisement
for their only fans. They're going they're

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shooting a scene they're making about two
grand who gives a shit and then plastered

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across the top of browsers, which
gets fifty million hits a day. They

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get their face and someone goes,
well, I need to go find out

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who this is. So it's really
pretty amazing that you have built this brand

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for yourself, gathered all these followers, which I think you've done it through

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good social media. Now I don't
know if this is you or your husband,

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but at one point my timeline was
like political video, cat taken loads,

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video of um, cute kitten like
falling off of bed and then cat

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taking loads. Um, you shouldn't
have said kitten. And then a cat

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taken loads. That was a really
enough kitten taken loads? Yeah, yeah,

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here you go. Um, so
how come we haven't done more in

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mainstream? Was it just because you
again you haven't needed to? Um,

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I haven't had the desire to,
haven't wanted to plaster yourself up there?

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Or what was it? I mean
a little bit of I've been so busy,

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fill me my hearth stuff and yeah, I mean, I guess it's

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not my main goal, but it
is worth it's worth doing some mainstream shoots.

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Mainstream shoots for sure. Sure.
So do you have anything coming up

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that you're thinking of or are booked
for or interested in or yeah, I

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really really want to I'm not gonna
like stay the name because I just don't

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want to jink through things because I
do want to shoot with someone this year.

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Oh no, is it a jinx? If I promise to edit it

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out, yeah that's even Yeah,
absolutely, I will bliep it up and

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I'll put a little censor bar over
your mouth. Swear to God, I

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will that will happen. Okay,
it's the same kind. Okay, so

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premium Boukoki Spain. It's the same
like Booker books for them. So um,

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he's also thinking of booking me for
Okay, yeah I know them too.

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Yeah. Oh, I guess we
can't talk about it. Huh.

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That's like yeah, okay, right, whereas one I think is more like

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bookocky type, this is more of
like gang Bang into Bokaki type. Okay,

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okay, yeah, So here is
the other thing we're gonna end this.

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We're gonna do a little social media
thing at the end, and all

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the interviews we've had this year so
far, so far we've done what three

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Shane for this season. So this
is the fourth one. Thir is the

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fourth and we have a few more
coming up. And one of the questions

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I ask is and you know,
if you've seen the social media clip of

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this people who are now watching this
video in preparation of it, you'll understand

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what the question was. It's,
uh, where is your favorite place from

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male talent to finish? Every girl
we've talked to so far, Okay has

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said, oh my tits right,
Pat? What makes you the coolest,

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hottest chick in the world? Who
you're like, Hey, I don't care

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about my makeup today, plaster it? Wait? Is that a question?

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Yeah? I don't know. Yeah, what that was the worst? Yeah,

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it was. It was not word
it. Well, I was trying

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to be funnier more than that.
But yeah, most chicks seem like are

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not a fan of taking facials and
what just sets you apart? What makes

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you different from them? Where you're
like you seem like you love it?

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Oh, I love it and I
love to fallow come to. I don't

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think everybody likes coming their mouth.
No, No, it does burn your

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eyes like it hurts. I know
why people might not like it, but

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I love it sure, sure,
And this is me falling deeper in love

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with you. So my question is, um, why does that not gross

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you? I mean, what is
it about it that you're just like,

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oh, this is awesome? Is
it like the texture? Do you like

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the heat of it? Which sounds
really gross as I say it out loud.

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It'd probably be hotter if you said
it out loud. But um man,

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I don't know. I don't know
what's wrong with me. Maybe it's

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like a mental thing. I think
it's just like it's so euphoric for me

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because it's like I'm like getting showered
with orgasm or something. I don't know.

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No, that makes it like the
ultimate thank you for the guy.

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So it's like, yeah, it's
like a philosophical like thing. It's like

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a like you're you see like this
hot, white, steamy liquid jettisoning at

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you, and you're like, oh
my god, this is the culmination of

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this man's love and desire and passion, lust and yeah and energy, and

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it's all about to get all up
into my eye socket. I get it.

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Yeah, it almost sounds like the
other girls we've talked to are maybe

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a little more jaded about it,
where they're like, oh, this is

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just the end. I mean,
this is how we finish it out.

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Yeah, turn away from it.
So have you have you always been that

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way in terms of loads? Yeah? Okay. I thought they're gonna come

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on me and then we're gonna fuck
some more and they're gonna come on me

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again. I'm not worried about it. Oh yeah, yeah, there you

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go. Okay, cool, And
that's the power you have, right is?

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Like, so is that's like any
man if he's with you, Like,

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that's that's how it's going to play
out two or three times. Fuck?

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Yeah. Well, well don't tell
my wife that sometimes it's sometimes it's

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wrap up in time for Matt to
turn over and take a rest. Now,

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after you apologize this, she's got
to get some tips from cat,

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that's all. Yeah, dude,
that's called that. We should call that

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the cat Karma Guarantee. Yeah,
well it's cat Karma orgasmic. Yeah there

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you go. So yeah, yeah, go ahead. So that's kind of

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mouthie for a for a title.
But we cat. We talked about this

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last time. I am glad you
were right on this, Like your branding

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has worked perfectly and it's great,
but you were you were committed to not

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dropping that long mouthful at the end
there. Huh right, you just you

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needed KKO. Oh shit, you
should call yourself KKO. That's pretty good

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too. Yeah. Um how close
is O to K in the alphabet l

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M n oh, that's pretty close. You might want to be careful with

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that one. Sure, uh you
know, I don't know. Um.

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So going back when we we we
talk about loads and such, Um,

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did you have any bad experiences in
your life with that? Or right off

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the bat, was it like like, no, I'm into this because I

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don't know Shane, if you've had
the same thing, like the first time

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you have it. I don't know. The first chick I had that tried

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to swallow me and may diet.
It's fine, Okay, it's not me.

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It was her fault. She was
a bit anyway. Um, that's

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when you get like the throw up
all over your pubis, you know,

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not actual vomit vomit, but almost
like did you ever have any bad experiences

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like that in your life where you're
just like, oh, this sucks.

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I don't enjoy doing this in this
moment. No, I've never had that

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kind of experience. Fortunately, Yeah, okay, good. I love him,

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matter of fact and adorable. She
is a matt She's like, yeah,

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no, loads on the face,
not a problem at all. Actually,

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um, she knows how to sell. I've never barfed up a load

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on a guy's dick before. Okay, um, okay, So we talked

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about those of the what do we
have coming up that you're really like excited

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for? Do you have more shoots
planned in your own personal and actually,

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you know what, Before we do
that, let me pause and let me

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go back. Take me through setting
up a shoot, because I've seen recently

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on Twitter you're actually looking for feel
fear to take a drink of water anytime

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you're choking and you want to die, Like, don't worry about like holding

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it in and don't worry. I
answer this question first, it's okay,

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you're totally fine. We're as we're
as unprofessional as it can be, so

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just don't sweat it. Perfect upright, Um, let me say, how

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up a shoot? Yeah, talk
me through setting up a shoot? I

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would say, mostly I don't do
all the work by myself, my husband

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and I, Like I did post
that Twitter application for co performances. Sure,

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so my husband and I have to
like sort through all that. He

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talks to the guys a lot,
a lot, a lot um when it's

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a new person. We have a
lot of people that we've just met.

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I don't know what I'm saying.
We have friends that we've fucked up.

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Yeah, the regular guys who we've
known for several years at this point.

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But when we find new people,
it's a long process. Sure, it's

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a long true. If it's no, I totally understand and respect it.

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I have no problem. Does your
husband want to pop his head on camera

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real quick or no? If it's
no, it's totally cool. Dude,

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you don't have to. I asked
him if you wanted to earlier. I

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don't mind, all right, hop
on real quick? Can I say your

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first name? Or no? Yeah, you can say it, Andrew,

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Andrew. Nice to meet you,
Andrew. Love your check hair. She's

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one of the coolest people we've ever
talked to. She's amazing. She is,

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so let me ask it. And
I believe we talked about this.

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Did you guys initially get into this
swinger lifestyle when you first met. I

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thought that's what it was from the
conversation we first had with Kat, So

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No, we've actually both always been
into the swinger lifestyle, and we kind

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of realized that about each other early
on when we were getting together, and

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we actually really took our time getting
exploring it together because we felt the real

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connection and wanted to make sure relationship
was based on more than that. But

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um, like six months in we
started dabbling, and then about a year

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in we kind of we're in full
swing with stuff we enjoy. Sure,

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you know, I think there's so
many people who have the misconception about swinging

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where it's almost like and again,
I'm not even playing Devil's advocate and agreeing

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with it. I'm laying out the
opposing opinion to it. Right, Andrew

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here, he's he likes being around
Cat, and Cat likes being around Andrew.

409
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.079
But they still would prefer to go
to fuck other people and blah blah

410
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.680
blah. That's not what it is
at all. Right, it's you guys

411
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.759
find a connection in Well, I'm
also not going to make assumptions about what

412
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:32.599
you guys do, but you guys
find a connection in watching that other person

413
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:37.359
take pleasures what I would think it
is right? You like watching them engage

414
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:42.000
in like you know, you know
they're trying something new and I at the

415
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:45.680
end of the day, you both
know you're going home with each other,

416
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:52.039
right exactly. It's about the shared
experience and I love them. I love

417
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.039
creating a safe face, a safe
space for her to be able to explore

418
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:01.799
that side in and really alledge over
into ledge and have fun. Sure,

419
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:09.319
So do you guys have any rules
or anything like that set in place?

420
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:15.519
And how important is that for swinging
or being involved in swinging or is there

421
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.720
and you don't obviously have to say
any names or anything like that. Do

422
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:22.559
you both at all have somebody where
you're like, I just don't like that

423
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.160
guy, or I don't like that
bitch. I don't want you to go

424
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.960
fuck that lady. Not even because
of the sexual thing, but it's like

425
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.240
I just don't want to be I
don't want her around talking to me and

426
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.599
fucking asking me where I get my
makeup and shit like that. Have you

427
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:40.519
ever had those experiences where you're you're
you don't like, maybe the sexual chemistry

428
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.079
is there, but maybe you're just
like, man, fuck that guy,

429
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.480
No, thanks, not interested?
Yeah, I mean definitely. Um,

430
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:51.799
it's all about connection for us.
So we met, we've gone out and

431
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:53.759
met with people and stuff, or
just they didn't the vibe wasn't right.

432
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:59.119
I was gonna say no because I
thought he met like like, we wouldn't

433
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.640
go fuck somebody separately. We play
together. I kind of how we enjoy

434
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.920
things more. Yeah, I would
be upset if he was going to go

435
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:08.680
have sex as some girl. I
would just want to be there. There's

436
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:13.400
really nobody that I like, don't
fucker. I would just I would like

437
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:19.240
to watch. Sure, So yeah, yeah, sure sure. So from

438
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.319
the outside world again, it might
seem like, you know, they're just

439
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.160
free range, let it run.
But at the same time, there's a

440
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:30.119
part of you where it sounds like
there are rules and guidelines that you stick

441
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:34.720
to. Now, say one of
you, one of you is all and

442
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.519
and if the answer is no,
again, this is all preference. So

443
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.599
it doesn't it's totally cool. But
if one, say, one of you

444
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.720
has to travel out of town for
something and then an opportunity comes up for

445
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.039
the person the other person who's at
home, are you just gonna play it

446
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:51.279
where like maybe you'll wait until the
other person comes home, or is there

447
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.200
maybe a discussion to be had about
it question with us, we would just

448
00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.680
wait, I just I prefer doing
stuff with her. There's more about experience

449
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:05.279
in the connection between us and be
able to enjoy that experience together. Sure.

450
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.239
So it's it's not even about like, oh, man, Andrew has

451
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:10.039
a chance to fuck this ten.
It's like it's like, yeah, but

452
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.119
I only really want to fuck the
ten anyway if Cat's going to be there

453
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:19.519
with me. Yeah, it's really
that's romantic. Yeah shit, what any

454
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.199
Christian group or anything else in the
world says, that's like a very sweet

455
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.679
thing. Yeah, that's what That's
what I was thinking. It's like,

456
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.400
if you're if you're, if you
are, if you love somebody and you're

457
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:35.599
you're really into sex with that person, there's only so many things you can

458
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:40.519
do before you run out of stuff
to do before the idea comes up where

459
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.039
it's like, well, what if
we involved another person or what if we

460
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:51.440
did like it? Just it naturally
comes up eventually. If you're just really

461
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.719
yeah, well yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. If you're really invested in

462
00:34:55.760 --> 00:35:00.360
your sex life and you have a
really strong sex life, I I can't

463
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.159
imagine that not coming up in conversation, and whether you choose to do it

464
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:09.519
or not, that's up to you. But the idea that you would never

465
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:14.119
talk about it seems unhealthy, and
I think you're right, Cat, that

466
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.880
would make you cheat on each other. The idea could make it pop in

467
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:21.000
your head. But I also don't
see anything wrong with people who are just

468
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.519
who want to be monogamous. Yeah, that's fine too. Anytime I think

469
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:28.199
about, like, oh maybe we
could bang this other chick blah blah,

470
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.599
I think of and this is just
me as a pessimist, I go,

471
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:32.039
like what I said before, It's
like yeah, But then I got to

472
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:36.800
listen to this broad talk all day
and like, I'm not interested in that

473
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:38.800
she's mute. I don't want to
get texts. Well, mute would be

474
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:43.199
good too, I don't want to
get texts from her. I don't want

475
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.119
to create any drama. So personally, not my lifestyle. No judgments on

476
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:52.239
people who it is, though,
but I've talked about it before. I

477
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:58.960
personal preference here. I enjoy gang
bang porn, but not because I like

478
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.360
some chick getting destroyed like just you
know, boom, all these guys.

479
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:09.239
I like watching a chick just in
ultimate pleasure, right, Like she's the

480
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:14.400
center of attention, and I think
you guys do a really good job of

481
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:19.280
that. All the content you shoot
is never just like Rat's getting wrecked in

482
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.719
this episode and Watcher sit on a
bag of cold peas to try and bring

483
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.800
the swelling down, which I'm sure
she's probably still ahead to do. But

484
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:31.800
um, is that your idea behind
the kind of content you shoot? Like

485
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:40.239
you want to put kat as the
star of these things. And I'm in

486
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:44.760
the same way. I've always enjoyed
Gag bay Born, and I don't particularly

487
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.679
enjoy the stuff where the girl's getting
overwhelmed or looks uncomfortable. So I really

488
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.239
like creating a space for her to
be able to enjoy that. And even

489
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.760
when we shoot with other women and
stuff, it's always I pride myself in

490
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.719
creating anvitive, safe space he said, has geared towards the women they're having

491
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:06.320
fun and join the experience. Sure, yeah, I mean, and you

492
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:09.679
know what that is? Such like
a positive thing. And yet all these

493
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.440
positive words you say, there are
groups of people who are going to be

494
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:16.960
like, oh no, there are
people who are in miserable marriages for twenty

495
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:22.920
years, sexless marriages, Valentine's Day
and anniversary, right, and they just

496
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:28.239
don't. And then they'll look at
you guys and be like, oh gross,

497
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:34.480
really yeah, heathens, monsters,
host states, sinners. Yeah,

498
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.639
And at the same time, it's
like, I don't know, dude,

499
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:38.440
at the end of the day,
when your ledgers written like, don't you

500
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.280
want more positives in it than negatives? Like don't you want more experiences in

501
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.679
life? Don't you want more times
when you were able to enjoy being with

502
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:51.039
the person you were with? Now, let me ask this as a follow

503
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.960
up to that. Have you guys
ever shot something or dumbe something where you

504
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:58.400
walk away from it at the end
and you're like, and again no names,

505
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.920
where you're like, I don't want
to work that guy again. He

506
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.599
either goes too rough, he did
too much of this, he did something

507
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.800
I didn't like, or have these
And then that's not commentary on your vetting

508
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.199
skills beforehand, but it's like,
who knows, you know, you vet

509
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.559
a guy, he seems great,
and then in the moment you're a little

510
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:21.239
bit like, I don't love it. It definitely happens. Yeah, We've

511
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:24.840
had in a couple of rare instances, I've had to ask people to leave

512
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:30.280
mid gang bang, which is not
comfortable. But most of the time I

513
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:37.079
can't think of anything more uncomfortable asking
a guy to leave your place mid gang

514
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.440
bang. Yeah, Jesus, it's
been like once or twice man back.

515
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.360
Yeah, that's kind of how we've
developed our regulars over time, as the

516
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.639
people we like and we jailway and
Um provided the type of environment that we

517
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.880
wanted. Respect they get the invite
back and the other people don't. Sure,

518
00:38:52.960 --> 00:39:00.239
So, Kat, do you have
preferences? Like again, this center

519
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.320
of the attention is you in terms
of your content that you create, But

520
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.320
do you have preferences where you are
you? Like, Man, I would

521
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.199
love to do a collaboration with this
person because I would love to watch Andrew

522
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:14.159
fuck this chick, Like, and
are there people you haven't been able to

523
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.440
get to yet that you really get
to sounds like scary, like you're gonna

524
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.960
kidnap them, throw them in a
fucking trunk? But yeah, or is

525
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.440
it more like just and not in
a selfish or shitty way, But is

526
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:28.559
it more like, Hey, I
want to work with it, and Andrew

527
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:36.840
will like it as well. Mum, I'm pretty much open at working with

528
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.679
anyone really? Okay, all right, Yeah, I think that's fair.

529
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:46.239
Andrew, is there anyone that you
want to see catch? How about this?

530
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:50.400
Um? I don't know if you. Again, I've been married for

531
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.079
a long time, have great sex
life. I've never had the need for

532
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:58.880
porn and yet I have the ultimate
love for it. Um. Is there

533
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.400
any mainstream formers? And here's what
we're gonna do, ladies and gentlemen.

534
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:06.000
This is called the magic of cutting
out for social media clips later on and

535
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.559
then tagging these ladies on Twitter.
Andrew, is there anyone that you would

536
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.320
want to see cat work with,
like in the mainstream? Do you know

537
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.760
any names or anything that you'd want
to see cat work with? Whether male

538
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:20.920
talent, female talent, anything like
that. Um, I mean no,

539
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.960
no male names come to mind off
the top of my head. I mean

540
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.599
I'd love to see hearing some shoes
with some other bigger name Cornstar and I

541
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:36.719
mean her and Riley Reid would look
amazing together. Man, I feel like

542
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.559
fantasy match for me. Yeah,
that's a big for sure. No,

543
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.920
right, I've I've been somewhat in
contact with her trying to get her on

544
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.719
this season, and it's been difficult. Uh, Dillian Harper. I think

545
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.719
if anyone knows her, I think
would be a good match for Kat as

546
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:59.239
well. She's adorable, little petite
chick um and uh yeah. As far

547
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:05.159
as male performers, I'd like to
see Kat with just whoever makes her face

548
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.679
twist in like the most crazy way, like oh my god, you know

549
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:15.199
ust so again. Kind of touching
back to what we talked about before,

550
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:22.639
Are there any do either of you
got you folks have any insecurities in and

551
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.519
the answers probably no, But I
just want to ask, anyway, any

552
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.840
insecurities in working with somebody? Is
there any does it ever pop into your

553
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.519
head in the same way that Shane
made the case of you know, if

554
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.079
you're with someone long enough, it's
gonna pop into your head, like boy,

555
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.000
I'd like to see her with somebody
else or whatever. Is there ever

556
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:44.920
any insecurity that pops in your head
where you're like, man, I hope

557
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.800
Andrew doesn't like how big this chick's
tits are or cheese. I hope Kat

558
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:54.000
doesn't see this dick and just think
lesser of me, you know again,

559
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:59.599
I'm just wondering that question out loud. Is this ever just pop into your

560
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.440
head? And have to avoid it
or have to cut it out or whatever.

561
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.719
I don't really, I don't have
them personally. No, I mean

562
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.000
we have a really strong connection,
and um, we have really good communication

563
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.480
about it too, which I think
is crucial. I know it's crucial.

564
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:21.079
Um, So it never never crosses
my mind, because I mean, if

565
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.599
you're invested in the relationship, I
mean you guys, I mean, Kat,

566
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:30.280
are you gonna leave? Uh Andrew
because of his dick's eye? I

567
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.840
mean, which is solid. I've
seen it, by the way, don't

568
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:37.239
let's not run this guy down,
Okay, I mean solid dick. I'm

569
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.639
just thinking of one of those twelve
inch wrecords I see you on like Twitter.

570
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.360
Yeah, because I mean, like, I mean, well, well

571
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.920
we'll skip the the you know,
beating around the bush. I've never heard

572
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.159
anybody say realistically, oh no,
like we were together for years, but

573
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.000
I just decided to leave because I
saw a bigger dick once. Like It's

574
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:04.599
it's a really unrealistic um insecurity.
And it's like once you've developed the relationship,

575
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.840
which like you guys seem to really
you must have done. Um,

576
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:14.519
you have so much faith in your
connection, you know that that other person

577
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.119
it's like, well, yeah,
like even if she really did enjoy that

578
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:21.320
dick, it's like, well,
I mean, what about all the times

579
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.880
we watched She Go Kochi on Netflix? Is that's the name of the show

580
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:30.119
with the dancing cat. I don't
know what you're talking about, but I

581
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:36.320
understand that death No Death Note was
solid. I didn't watch the anime.

582
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.039
I watched the live action one,
but it was solid. You know what.

583
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:45.320
I liked Invincible on t That was
a good American anime type of thing

584
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.880
where it was like good, So
it was great. It was really good.

585
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.239
Um yeah, I just I don't
know. I've heard it broken down

586
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.639
in the same way before. It's
like, when you find somebody you love,

587
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.480
you should be with them and want
to be with them, and if

588
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:00.760
you choose the married, get married
to them, because what are you going

589
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:06.679
to do find the exact person.
But with bigger tits like right, you're

590
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.000
not going to find that exact person. So if you find someone you love

591
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.119
and you love being around and love
interacting with and they make you laugh or

592
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:15.400
they make you happy, stick with
it. You don't buy into it.

593
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:20.360
Um all right, We're gonna wrap
up here in a few minutes. Shane.

594
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.480
It's become a staple, and you've
pretty much asked it in every interview

595
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:27.440
at this point. I'm sure we
asked it the cat at the time,

596
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:31.280
but if you could just reiterate your
question, I've described many of my own

597
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:37.480
day I don't know that's why we
asked the question I have. I have

598
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.119
other fetishes too, It's just that
this is the one that we we fixate

599
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:44.480
on because I think it's like the
most taboo one that I'm into. But

600
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:49.639
you know what, and because I
am the polar opposite in what I enjoy,

601
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.960
I think so I think I enjoy
a lot and a lot of stuff

602
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.679
that you don't enjoy. I think
that. No, no, no,

603
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:59.280
I think this question. Let's not
argue about it. Well, hey,

604
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:07.360
Kat, do you like piss?
I don't do that. It's a winner,

605
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.000
yep, I remember, I remember
that from the first time. I'm

606
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:14.239
pretty sure I did ask that question. And that's fine. It's not everyone's

607
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:16.440
preference. I like it me.
I get asked that question a lot.

608
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.480
She was trying to talk me into
doing a piss shoot just the other day,

609
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.920
just because she thought it would be
fun for fans. But it's not

610
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:27.519
her thing. I like, no, I'm not gonna say I like this.

611
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.280
There you go see this is why
she rules. Um. So one

612
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:36.559
last question in terms of this,
So you put out this application on Twitter

613
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:43.159
and I guess how has the response
been? Pretty good? Yeah? A

614
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.199
lot through? Sure? Now what
is the reason behind Is it just you

615
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.880
want to add new talent to the
pool, You want to have people to

616
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.239
go back to. Is it do
you currently have a stable of people that

617
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.880
you stick to for shooting and and
now you want to add new fresh blood

618
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:01.800
that mix it in with the old
group. Are you tired of the old

619
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.440
group? Did you move far away
from the old group? What is what's

620
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.199
the idea behind it? Oh,
I'm not tired of the old group.

621
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:12.679
I'm trying to make a bigger group. I want to eventually have like a

622
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:19.480
massive scene Okay, massive wow?
Okay, Oh like okay, and this

623
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.920
is like a then this is one
hundred guys, Okay. I mean that's

624
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.679
the goal, that's the vision.
So it's going to take some time to

625
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.840
build, for sure. So they're
they're participating, They're they're that's cat taking

626
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:37.400
a one hundred, not one hundred
all circle around jack in or watching or

627
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:43.440
whatever. One hundred one after the
other. Yeah, I mean I mightn't

628
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.360
buy you know, a couple of
other girls. My vision would be like

629
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:54.079
myself and a couple other girls and
we just get all our holes fucked by

630
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:58.599
hundred guys, and then the guys
will be in line like waiting their turn,

631
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:00.760
and I would imagine some of them
will probably just like, come on,

632
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:05.440
where they even fuck me? Probably? Yeah, they won't be able

633
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:09.920
to contain themselves. Yeah, I
have a favorite performer that you work with?

634
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:16.320
Um? Occasionally? Do you have
and it's no degradation to numbers two

635
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:22.679
through whatever female performers you work with. Do you have a current favorite number

636
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.079
one person you enjoy working with and
collaborating with or no? Oh, I've

637
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.800
had so much fun with collaborating with
everyone. I'm really excited about my upcoming

638
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:37.960
collab with Lupe and Mitscha. It's
a swinger couple. Okay, but you're

639
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:43.760
probably referring to I would guess Maths
because I've shot with her a couple times

640
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.559
now, So yes, I am, okay, all right. I worry

641
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.599
about bringing up names because I don't
want it to be like, don't bring

642
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:57.079
up I don't like her? Fuck
her? She didn't? Um? I

643
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.519
like her because you guys have a
very similar look. You're a little more

644
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:06.559
curvy, she's a little more like
stick figure. I'm a cat guy exactly.

645
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:13.159
Yes, it's like God crafted you
differently. She was a content creator

646
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.960
I forgot. I reached out to
her initially because I scooled and I saw

647
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.320
her on Twitter and she I was
like, that girl looks like me.

648
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.360
I actually thought it was a picture
of me, and that's what I thought.

649
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:28.480
I think. I was like,
wait, that's a different girl.

650
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:32.000
I'd like her. There you go. I think that's awesome. So I

651
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:37.880
mean, does she run a similar
ship in the way you run it?

652
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.280
Like does she have in terms of
like when you're collaborating with her, does

653
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:46.639
she have specific people she's working with? Is she trusting the people that you're

654
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:52.360
working with and you're bringing in the
guys in that sense? Or how does

655
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:57.039
that work? How does that like
negotiation the business side of that work.

656
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.519
You know, if like she comes
to shoot with us, she shoots with

657
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.039
art guys, and then we went
and shot with her one time and she's

658
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.519
at that scene up. Okay,
okay, cool, cool? Um,

659
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.000
Well, look, I don't have
any more questions. Do you have any

660
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.159
more questions for catching I just wanted
to ask, like, when you when

661
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:19.079
you're setting up these scenes, like, is there a limit to how far

662
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:24.840
you'll travel? Is it? Is
it based on what your potential take could

663
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:30.039
be? Or is it just like, hey, um you you you met

664
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.599
a creator there on the other side
of the country. But you like their

665
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.199
look, you like the vibe,
you really want to shoot content will make

666
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.079
it happen? How do you do
it? Yeah? I would probably just

667
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.280
depend on everything. It's it's more
like the last one. If we meet

668
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.079
someone we really want to collab with, we're willing to travel to them,

669
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.000
especially if they're shooting similar type of
content. Um as to what we like

670
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:57.599
to do. Both of our stuff
we set up locally and stuff with our

671
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.280
regulars and stuff. But if we
meet someone we really want to work with,

672
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.719
we are willing to travel for it. Okay, now here's the thing

673
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.000
I remember, and we'll end it
on this and if you want me to

674
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.639
cut it out, I'll cut it
out. How's the evil step mom?

675
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:17.119
Oh, she's a bitch. Never
talk to her, ladies and gentlemen.

676
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.559
We were joined today by Kat Karma
Orgasmic. You can find her on Instagram

677
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:25.159
at kat Karma Oo the letter oh, not the number oh. On Twitter

678
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.400
Kitty Kat Karma two only fans go
sign up. She's got like four thousand

679
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.760
pictures on there and like four hundred
or five hundred videos like you will never

680
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.159
run out of content, and yet
somehow I have because I've just gone through

681
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:45.199
it all. But her only fans
is Cat Karma orgasmic and on many VIDs.

682
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.360
Go check her out at Kat Karma
Kat. The other thing I under

683
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.920
see I respect this about Kat's business
acumen too, where it's almost like she's

684
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:59.320
got her only fans push it towards
it. Blah blah blah. Now what

685
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.840
I will say is personally again,
last time I give you the advice is

686
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:06.239
to drop the orgasmic and that didn't
work out. So here's the other thing

687
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.440
I'll say. Cut up some of
those clips and get them all many bids.

688
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:12.559
Man, make yourself funny. You're
doing this, work for it.

689
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.000
You deserve it, all right.
You are seemed like a very sweet,

690
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.159
kind person. You have a wonderful, beautiful relationship with Andrew. Here.

691
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.599
You guys make your own content.
You are your own bosses. I don't

692
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.199
know what Andrew does. Maybe he
does an also job as well. But

693
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.599
in this sense, you are your
own bosses. I'd guess construction. He

694
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:32.800
looks like, are you a construction
guy? Are you a cool construction guy?

695
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:38.719
I was a personal trainer full time
and then I only do that part

696
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:42.360
time now with some clients I've had
for a long time and stuff, I've

697
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.719
had to redract more energy towards what
we do because we were leaving too much

698
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:50.400
money out on the table by not
doing that exactly. But and how great

699
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.280
is it being your own bosses?
Right? I don't know. I fucking

700
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:59.039
hate my day job, so I
just you know, but yes, just

701
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:04.440
go money, And anyone listening or
watching this right now, go spend money.

702
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.480
Don't be fucking cheap. This chick
rules. She provides so much good

703
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:12.639
content that you need to drive towards
it. So her only fans again is

704
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:16.079
Kat Karma orgasmic. All these links
are in the episode description. Kat,

705
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:19.199
thank you very much for joining us, say Andrew as well, thank you

706
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:23.119
very much for joining us today.
Oh that's okay, I want to at

707
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.599
the end. Sure, I thought
I thought you were the whole time.

708
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:31.159
That's what I've been staring at.
Beautiful, wonderful um for your worst friend.

709
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:35.679
I'm Matt, I'm Shane. Thanks
for listening. We'll see you next

710
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:44.239
week. Thanks for listening to your
worst friend going