1 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:33,239 Tonight's guest is Doctor Rainman. Doc. Welcome to the show. Thank you 2 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,359 good to be here. Well, it's great having you. Thank you for 3 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:42,200 your time. Doc. Please give us a brief bio on yourself. All 4 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,239 right, I'm a Native American Tuscarora, born into the Sign of the Raven 5 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,959 people of the West Wind. I've been in a few movies such as Takumps 6 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:59,439 The Last Warrior. It came out on TNT in nineteen ninety five. I've 7 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:06,120 been in few films and my passion is being a lead vocalist, and some 8 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:09,719 claimed me to be a shaman or medicine man. Wow, that's an interesting 9 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,560 bio. What part did you play into comes? Well, it didn't actually 10 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:21,560 have a speaking role, but I was a extra, which there's still thousands 11 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:27,199 of competing for that role. Is really exciting. Paid for everything, bust 12 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,159 us up to North Carolina where it was filmed, paid for the moteel, 13 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:36,199 plus your wages. And when you're doing something you enjoy. It really wasn't 14 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:39,719 even work. It was quite an experience. Oh, I'm sure it was. 15 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:44,680 Yeah, I bet that was a lot of fun. You bet, 16 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,360 you bet it was. Oh, I believe it. You've lived in the 17 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,400 country, your whole life doc not including your dog meet encounter. What's been 18 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:59,879 the wildest experience you've had while living out there. Wow, There's been lots 19 00:02:59,879 --> 00:03:06,199 of experiences, from supernatural things to things that where I'm connected with nature, 20 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:10,560 really connected with all the animals around here. That buggles people's mind. How 21 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,439 the animals come out when I'm around. We have a deep connection. I 22 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:20,000 have a deep connection with all animals and nature. Is that deep connection you 23 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,280 have with the animals why some people see that you're a shaman. Yes, 24 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,080 many claimed to me to be a shaman. As far as the animals and 25 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,000 their behavior around you, do they come up and let you pet them or 26 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:38,360 how does that work? Well, my most outstanding experience with that would be 27 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,680 many years ago when my father passed away. I was having a difficult time. 28 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:46,840 Of course, we were really close. He was my dad and best 29 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:51,360 friend, and so when he had to leave this world and in it, 30 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,199 he really hit me hard. And I was outside praying and talking to the 31 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,840 Great Spirit. And I walked around there having a hard time. And I 32 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:06,319 walked around the corner of my house and there beside my doghouse that I had 33 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:13,199 was a small bird and it was sitting beside my dog's pant and it was 34 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:17,199 just sitting there, and I closer, I stepped he just sit there. 35 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:24,040 I was like, well, so spoke trick. A little little bird began 36 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:30,000 stepping closer closer, and still just sit there. And I could not believe 37 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,480 it. And I reached down my hand and the little bird, believe it 38 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:40,319 or not, stepped the full my finger. And I'm really amazed. And 39 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,839 I was focusing on the bird, and my problems started lifting, and my 40 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:51,079 focus was turning towards the bird and everything. And I began speaking to the 41 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:54,639 bird. I said, what's the matter with you, the little bird? 42 00:04:54,680 --> 00:05:00,079 You know? Are you injured? And I began walking with the bird lit 43 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:03,199 on my finger, and I began walking around the house and talking to the 44 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:08,240 bird, and now what should I do with you, little bird? Should 45 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,800 I release you here? Should I go put you over here in a cage 46 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,040 and keep you? If I was one of these mean guys, I would 47 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:20,600 probably tear off a wing feather or something like that word couldn't fly or something 48 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:26,240 stupid like that. And I just kept talking to it and thinking, what 49 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,480 should I do with you, a little bird? And so I said, 50 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:32,279 well, I know exactly, I'll put you right back where I picked you 51 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,839 up. So I proceeded to walk back where i'd originally pick him up. 52 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:41,600 I put my hand down to the ground. He stepped off my finger. 53 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,240 I took two steps back, and he flew away. I was so amazed 54 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,839 the Great Spirit was sending him a sign that my father was okay no matter 55 00:05:49,879 --> 00:05:56,439 where he was. And that was a big comfort to me. And that's 56 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,160 one thing that I wanted to say, Wow, that's beautiful. I'm so 57 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:06,560 glad that happened. Yes, I was really really amazed and more comforted and 58 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,879 giving me strength and faith and hope. Oh yeah, I'm sure you were 59 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:15,480 comforted. Well. Like I said, I'm so glad that happened. From 60 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,480 what I understand, Doc, you've seen and experienced several other things that weren't 61 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,519 dogged me and related over the past few years that shocked you. Please expand 62 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:30,000 on that for us. Yes, over the past few years, there's been 63 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,759 many things that has happened that has almost shocked me and astonished me, which 64 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:41,680 certain things in the past I would have not believed whatsoever with a grain of 65 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,240 salt would I believed some of the things that's actually happened. For instance, 66 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:50,399 one that really stands out to me is one day I was outside doing a 67 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,920 little bit of recording. I like to record the animals and nature, new 68 00:06:55,959 --> 00:07:00,720 different things I post and make some creations in their own interest. And so 69 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:06,399 I was outside and using my phone. I heard some crows right here in 70 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:10,360 the distance. Of course, I live out here in the country in the 71 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:15,800 woods pretty much, and I heard several crows going over, and I just 72 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:20,160 wanted to get the audio recording of these crows. So I down my driveway, 73 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:26,639 got down by my gate, and just across the road is a line 74 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,759 of trees there and you can hear the crows call coming over. And so 75 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:35,480 I was panning my phone camera up towards the sky and trying to pick up 76 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:41,279 the audio of the crows. And I filmed for I don't know, several 77 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:45,879 minutes, and I came back in into my house to review what I just 78 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,600 filmed, and I was utterly shocked. When I started reviewing it, I 79 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,839 told my wife, Honey, come and look at this. There was something 80 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:59,319 on the screen who was not there when I was outside recording. Something small, 81 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:05,199 all blue thing zipped across in front of the screen and it would appears, 82 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:07,959 Is that a little butterfly? But I'm like, no, there was 83 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,720 nothing outside when I was recording it in front of me. But whatever it 84 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:20,319 was purposely was dancing around similar to the way a butterfly would float around, 85 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:24,839 but moved differently and awkward ways that I've never seen a butterfly fly, nothing 86 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:28,319 like that. And it was just a little blue spot, but it was 87 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:35,039 dancing around like a butterfly, and it would flare up as it would go 88 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,360 up towards the sky. It was purposely staying in front of my camera. 89 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,519 If you didn't know better, you would think that I was filming it by 90 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:46,200 the way the film came out, and that wasn't the case. I was 91 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:52,200 simply going where the sound of the crows was and whatever this was was purposely 92 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,799 staying in front of my camera. So I kept watching it. It would 93 00:08:56,879 --> 00:09:00,240 flare up towards the sky, and it would flare out and sort of an 94 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,080 oval shape towards the bottom in like blue and purple, really pretty colors. 95 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:13,039 And after revereing it and everything, I ruled out butterfly, I ruled out 96 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,759 lens flare, I ruled out just about every logical thing it could have been, 97 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,759 and so for my deduction, you may call it a small angel or 98 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:26,360 a fairy or something like that, but it was definitely something similar to this 99 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,720 and much more. To my amazement, I went ahead and reached out to 100 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:37,080 one of my friends that lives in another country over in France through one of 101 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:43,799 the social abs, and I be chalked again because the girl that I spoke 102 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,759 to didn't seem like it was a big deal. He said, yes, 103 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,759 I used to have two of those come to my bedroom window every morning. 104 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:54,840 And I was like, wow, are you kidding me? And she said 105 00:09:54,879 --> 00:10:01,039 yeah, and you have to be doing something special or something really unique to 106 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,279 have them come to you, and you should really honor that and respect them 107 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:11,320 and be really kind and talk soft when there are around. And I was 108 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,200 like, I couldn't hardly believe it. I was speechless, more or less. 109 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,000 And so that's one of the things that now I do believe in is 110 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:22,639 a type of ferry. Just because we can't see a lot of these things 111 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:28,919 doesn't mean they're not there. So that's one of my best experiences as far 112 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:33,240 as you know, learning something new and maybe even supernatural if you want to 113 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,480 call it, or fantasy, But there's a lot of things in this world 114 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:41,080 that existed. I used to not believe in, but I do now I 115 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,759 can understand why you would. And that response you got from her, I'm 116 00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:48,399 sure that wasn't what you expected. That comes as a pretty big surprise. 117 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,159 No, you're exactly right. That shot gray Again. I was hesitant, 118 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,200 you know, about even saying anything to anyone, but that made me feel 119 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,440 a little bit better about what I was seeing. All bet it did, 120 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,879 and for good reason. If you've had a dog mean encounter, I would 121 00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:09,720 like to speak with me about it, whether I'm private or on the show, 122 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,639 please go to dog Mean Encounters dot com and submit a report. If 123 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,279 you've had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest on one of 124 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:22,120 my two Bigfoot shows, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let 125 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,240 me know. All right, doc, please tell us about your encountery now, 126 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,080 give us every less detail that comes to mind. All right now, 127 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:37,279 we want to keep in mind that to live out in the country, approximately 128 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:43,519 ten miles from the closest small town this evening that the encounter happened, I 129 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:48,720 had some business to take care of in the big city, which was normal 130 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:54,320 driving conditions. UD be about an hour drive away. So it was wintertime, 131 00:11:56,159 --> 00:12:00,519 about February. It's hard to remember exactly what day now it's been. 132 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:05,120 It's been several years back, professionally, six to seven years ago, about 133 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:09,559 in February, and it was really cold that evening. Snow was on. 134 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:15,399 It wasn't snowing at the time, but it was really cold and the wind 135 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,679 was blowing. Of course, you know how that is when when it's really 136 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,240 cold and plus the wind blowing, it makes it super cold. So I 137 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:28,600 had a small car, and of course the streets were really slick and there 138 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:31,240 was a lot of snow on. So I'm being cautious and I have to 139 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,279 go take care of this business over in the city. I don't remember exactly 140 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:37,799 what time it was, but it was later in the evening and it was 141 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:43,080 dark, and I was driving along the highway, passed through one small town. 142 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,679 Then decided to take this other little highway that kind of a shorter cut 143 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,879 to the big city, and it's called the Port Road. They called it 144 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,519 that because there's the Port of Katusha where a lot of businesses take place, 145 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,039 you know, tug boats and things come in, and there's like a industrial 146 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,919 area there. So I was driving along the highway heading towards the big city, 147 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,399 and you see fairly well that night because it was nighttime. Although the 148 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:16,240 snow was on, if you can imagine snow being on, the moon was 149 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:24,159 out bright, so you see fairly well that evening. And also as I 150 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,679 got close to this port of Katoosa that I'm speaking of, they have big 151 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,080 type stadium lights, et cetera out like that, so that I'm sure that 152 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:37,320 shines a little more light. And so I'm driving along and the highway kind 153 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:43,159 of makes some curves around some hills there, and it's wooded and everything on 154 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,919 your right. It's almost like a large cliff where the hill is there on 155 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,919 your right and you're curving around, and I'm looking to the left, and 156 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,159 probably maybe a quarter of a mile before I actually got to the Port of 157 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,840 Katuosa main entrance, I'm looking off to the left and it's like a tree 158 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:07,759 line with a big open field area, and of course the snow was all 159 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,440 one and everything. And as I was driving, I noticed something across the 160 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,000 field, just just coming out of the tree line. And I'm used to 161 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:22,759 seeing animals, you know, periodically, on a daily basis, so it 162 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:26,720 wasn't anything new. To me, but kept blanching over and it was I've 163 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,960 seen it come running across the field there towards the highway that I was on. 164 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:35,960 And as it come out, you know, I'm just I was by 165 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,840 myself, so but I was thinking to myself, I thought, what is 166 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,799 this, you know, a deer? And it was. It started. 167 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:46,759 It was running at at at pretty fast, pretty fast speed across the field, 168 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:52,720 just up in front of me, off to the left. So if 169 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,720 it kept running and I kept driving, we would meet up, if you 170 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:01,720 know, if you kept coming and and I kept driving, and so it 171 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:05,919 looked like we would meet up if he kept coming towards the highway. So 172 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,000 is it run across the field? I personal thought, is that a deer? 173 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:13,960 Who I was running? And I ruled that, I know, is 174 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,519 it a bear? You know, you look similar to a bear. And 175 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:22,639 of course I could I could get closer to garden. More I kept driving, 176 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:24,559 the better I could make it out. And of course I had to 177 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:28,399 keep my eyes on the road too. But as it came across the field, 178 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,200 it was running at a at a really high rate of speed, and 179 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,720 and and I thought, well, now it's not running with a with a 180 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:41,679 bounce like I've seen most animals, like a deer, you know, up 181 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,519 and down, the type front and back bounce type. That's the reason I 182 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:48,080 thought, is it a bear? It was it was like running in a 183 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,000 in a straight line without without bouncing up and down, and at a real 184 00:15:52,039 --> 00:16:02,000 smooth gate. And and it appeared to be running well it's it's front arms 185 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,360 or front legs was moving at the same time into into one two, one 186 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,200 two both both, which kind of like a kind of like what you've seen 187 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,480 a monkey on TV or something like that, when they're running and there they 188 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:22,799 swing their back legs up and their front feet front hands are going forward at 189 00:16:22,799 --> 00:16:26,360 the exact same time, kind of a swinging motion, and it kept them 190 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,840 at a smooth, straight gait. And that's the reason I thought it might 191 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:34,519 have been a bear. Well, it kept coming and and I thought, 192 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:41,600 no, what is this thing? And all of a sudden he was there. 193 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:44,840 I thought, you know, surely be able to come to the high 194 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:48,720 come meet me at the exact same time. But as we proceeded, and 195 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,960 then all this was happening really fast, and I'm just trying to break it 196 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:59,039 down preaching where you can see more my my visual of it as it had 197 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:04,720 come across the high weather. It come right in front, just barely in 198 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:11,440 front of my car, and I clipped it, and I could tell they 199 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:18,200 had brown fur all over. He was on all fours, but more of 200 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,640 an upright position, but in this upright position, and on all fours of 201 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,240 course, like I said, it's front arms or legs, whatever you would 202 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:32,720 like to call. It was reaching plump to the ground as if you know, 203 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:36,039 a regular sized man would be just kind of at a squat, but 204 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:40,880 then if your arms could reach all the way to the ground, and on 205 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,319 top of his head, he was brown all over, but on top of 206 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,799 its head and maybe back of its neck there. Like I said, it 207 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,640 was just a flash, and it was dark, so but I definitely know 208 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,880 what I saw. And it had black, long, real long, thin, 209 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:04,720 straggling hair on top, similar to what a war hog has, and 210 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:11,400 so I thought, dear bear, war hog. No, it was neither 211 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,359 of these. And I know my animals, and I had never seen anything 212 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,079 like this. It happened quickly, and I wasn't able to see it the 213 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:25,480 front of its face to where I couldn't. I couldn't tell you if it 214 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:30,839 had a long muzzle or if it had a flatter face like a human or 215 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,920 what. But it was definitely on all fours. Its front arms or legs 216 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:41,680 was extra long reaching the ground, and it was on all fours, but 217 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:48,559 yet more of an upright position, and probably probably three and a half foot 218 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:53,759 tall in that squatting position when that clipping. His head and shoulders was just 219 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:59,880 above the front of the car. But and it definitely had long straggly hair 220 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,720 on top, black long straggly hair. It was brown all over, and 221 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:11,720 its ears were extra large and pointed sharp and folded back. As you know 222 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:15,440 animals or a horse when they run, their ears folded back, and that's 223 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,960 the way it was. But the ears were folded back, but they were 224 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:26,519 long and sharp and come to a point. And when I clipped that thing, 225 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,240 it was like if you'd hit a gorilla or something like that, you 226 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,240 can tell it's really solid, Or if you was driving, you know, 227 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,039 fifty miles an hour and brushed up beside a brick wall or something like that. 228 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:45,319 That's how it seemed whenever I clipped it. And I was so amazed, 229 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,839 As I said, I was driving by myself, but I verbally out 230 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,640 loud, I looked up in the river as I clipped him, and I 231 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,960 said to myself out loud, what kind of beast was that? I felt 232 00:19:56,079 --> 00:20:00,039 shivers, got back on my spine, and I just kept driving, and 233 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,039 I couldn't I couldn't get it off in mind about what this thing could have 234 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,480 been. You know, I couldn't hardly believe my eyes because I knew exactly 235 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,079 what I saw, and I knew that I'd never seen an animal that looked 236 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:18,920 like this or or fit this description. So I went ahead and proceeded to 237 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,920 go to the city and take care of that business, which the whole time 238 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,799 I couldn't get this situation off my mind. Really, But I made the 239 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,960 trip, and it was cold, and it took a while to get back 240 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,319 home, and it was late at night. So when I got back, 241 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,160 I went ahead and went on in the bed. My wife was asleep, 242 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,960 but the next morning I began to tell her about it. I was hesitant 243 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:48,480 about even telling her because it was the kind of outlandish, really, but 244 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,319 but it really happened, and so I told her about it, and I 245 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,079 took a piece of paper. I said, let me show you. I'm 246 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,200 not a real good artist, but I can draw a little bit, and 247 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,200 you know, we're pretty much help what I'm on. And so I drawed 248 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,640 out to the best that I could of what i'd actually witnessed and hit with 249 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:12,039 my car and my wife. I couldn't be hard to believe it either, 250 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:17,920 and so we began to research a little bit. And this is before you 251 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,519 know, I've even heard of dog Man or Liking or anything like this. 252 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,519 But I began to look and I found closest to what I had seen. 253 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:32,119 I believe I was looking on parents or through chrome, and it brought up 254 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,960 Liking and dog Man, and I couldn't believe it, you know, because 255 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,640 I had never even seen or knew what dog Man or Liking looked like or 256 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:48,839 anything whatsoever. But there were several different pictures that looked very very close to 257 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,079 what I had actually seen and what I had drawn out on this paper. 258 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:59,599 And so that's when I found you and gave you a GMAIL. That's pretty 259 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,680 much about my encounter. But like I said, how matter unbelievable it sounds, 260 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,440 I saw it with my eyes and I can't totally believe it, but 261 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:14,440 it happened through his reign. It might be hard for you to believe, 262 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:19,160 but I believe you that's a fact. How far were you from home where 263 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:26,240 you had that encounter, Doc, Let's see, maybe thirty forty miles from 264 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:32,519 the house from my home. I don't It was a highway, but it 265 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,240 was only a small two lane highway. It was kind of a back road 266 00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:41,599 highway, if you will. Thirty to forty miles. Has anything happened around 267 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,400 your property since that night that you think it might have been? Dalt me 268 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,680 unrelated? Will? No, I can't really say that there has. That's 269 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:56,039 about the only thing associated with us that I've encountered. It never got off 270 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:59,279 my mind, though it's been several years, and I can still see it 271 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:03,000 like yesterday. Oh, I believe it. I'm sure that experience is still 272 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:07,279 on your mind. Yeah, it's totally normal. How much of an the 273 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,640 fact does that experience had on your interest in living out in the country though, 274 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,799 Well, he hasn't really affected me in any way like that. I'm 275 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:19,920 just just shocked in my mind that something like this is really out there and 276 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:25,039 makes you feel up questions. You know, a lot of times when something 277 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:30,359 happens or someone tells me something, the spirits usually tell me different things that 278 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,519 normal people wouldn't know. And I talked to the spirits and the very first 279 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,440 thing that came to me was for some reason, I felt like that this 280 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:41,880 thing, whatever it was, may have rode in one like one of those 281 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:48,160 tugboats from another country or from somewhere way off. He was making a bee 282 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,000 like because he was running out of from this industrial area, from the portication 283 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:57,400 towards the hills, towards the woods. And it definitely was either afraid of 284 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:03,440 something or trying to get somewhere, or it had a specific destination or something. 285 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,400 I'm not sure, but it acts like it didn't even see my car 286 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,279 whatsoever, like it was going to run it over or or something. It 287 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,200 just made a bee line, I mean, straight toward this hill and high 288 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,519 clipped him. And I just feel like that it could even been, Like 289 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:21,920 I said, it didn't have any knowledge of these dogmen, but at the 290 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,400 time, I feel like it may have been something because or high technology scientists 291 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,200 and all those type of things they have nowadays. I felt like it was 292 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,759 a DNA crossed with a human or something and it had gotten out of control 293 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,079 or gotten a loose from them or something like that and rode in on a 294 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:41,599 tugboat maybe or something like that. But that was my first feeling of it. 295 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,920 So it's coming from the port of Patusa. That's interesting. When you 296 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,920 saw it for the first time, could you see the industrial area of the 297 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,920 port right behind it or was there a woods between it and the port? 298 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,799 Well, they got the industrial area and then there was like a small patch 299 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:03,559 of woods or a line of woods between the industrial and the highway. It 300 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,480 was like the industrial area, a small line of trees, a little bit 301 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,839 of woods, and then that open field and then the highway. So you 302 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:17,480 come from somewhere over in the port and come through the woods and then come 303 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:22,160 across that field. So you know it was coming from out of the industrial 304 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,240 area there somewhere, so it didn't come out of the woods when I saw 305 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,000 it. You're running back towards the woods. So that that's part of what 306 00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:33,319 give me the impression that you know, come in on our boat or something. 307 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,319 Wow, that's interesting. It really does make you wonder, that's for 308 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,599 sure. Due to the snow. You said you weren't driving all that fast. 309 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,880 How slow would you say you're going when you saw it though, Well, 310 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:51,880 it's been a several years back now, but I wasn't going maybe forty 311 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,680 fifty miles an hour probably. I'd say the speedling was sixty five, and 312 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,160 the roads were slit, and I was being cast, so i'd say between 313 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,680 forty and fifty miles an hour when I eating, I see, well that's 314 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,079 faster than I thought you were going. Did you ever get a good look 315 00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:12,759 at its clause No, I sure didn't. I wasn't able to see the 316 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:19,200 facial feature or the feet or clause area. I made up the entire body 317 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,960 though, the ears, the back of the neck, you know, the 318 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,640 long hair on top, and the extra long arms was evident. Everything was 319 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,079 pretty plain except for the face and the extension of the hands or feet. 320 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,799 Also, I'd like to add a me thinking was it a deer or a 321 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,359 bear? Right? First, I didn't see a long tail, you know, 322 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,799 so it appeared to not either have a tail or maybe a small tail. 323 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,160 Guy couldn't say that for sure, but it appeared to not have a 324 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,359 tail. Well, you had so many things going through your mind. No 325 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,200 one could fault you for not knowing if it had a tail or not. 326 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:59,480 You're just trying to get through this experience, and one fees right. I 327 00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:03,599 never once thought about going back to see if I'd actually knocked him off into 328 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:06,799 the ditch or anything like that. I was just shocked and just kept driving. 329 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,839 Oh that you were shocked, Yeah, anyone would be. I still 330 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,240 am, Oh that you are. You said you didn't get a good look 331 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,640 at its claws, But how does it seem to be holding its fingers as 332 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,319 it was running towards you on all fours fifty two. Well, like I 333 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,519 said, it was dark, and a lot of it happened really really quick, 334 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,799 so I couldn't really say for sure. But the impression that I got 335 00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:37,039 and from what I saw, was like when it's knuckles like a gorilla or 336 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,440 a chimpanzee would run on their arms sometimes with their knuckles down. That's what 337 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,480 I feel like. It's the appearance that I got. Yeah, running that 338 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:49,119 way with your hands open with long clause that would be awfully difficult. So 339 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:56,039 right right, for a little bit, I even thought a monkey just I 340 00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,599 can't. I wish I could more describe the way it was running, but 341 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,720 it extending both front at the same time, and like swinging and that real 342 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,839 smooth gait. I don't know if you could visualize that or not, but 343 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,319 I can. So basically it looked like a person on crutches. Yeah, 344 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,000 I'm moving at a high rate of speed. Yes, yes, that's a 345 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,480 good way of saying it. Yeah, I know what you're talking about exactly. 346 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,680 You said it's ears were long and sharp, but how long would you 347 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,960 say they were? Boy? With its size and everything it was, they 348 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,599 were at least the size of German shepherd DearS, if not bigger. What 349 00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:41,119 I saw very sharp, very pointed, but folded back as it running. 350 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,960 We definitely tell they was pretty big. In a neighbor, they would stand 351 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,279 up, you know, if you didn't have him folded back. But yeah, 352 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,720 it was. It was a little frightening in a way. Oh, 353 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,519 I'm sure it was. Did you ever hear it make any sounds when it 354 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:02,680 was next year? I did not know, no. But now when the 355 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,440 car hit him, and like I said, it seemed very solid. When 356 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,160 I drive, I'm pretty much a professional driver. I drove just about every 357 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,200 type of vehicle there is and had delivery driver jobs, bus driver in the 358 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,000 past, big trucks, everything. So when I drive, the vehicle is 359 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,319 just pretty much almost an extension of my body. And the way I could 360 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,960 feel it when I bumped him, it's almost like you hit something really solid. 361 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,400 You could tell he was solid, and I don't believe it really hurt 362 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,799 him. But what was also amazing about it was as hard as it hit 363 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,640 him and everything. When I looked at my car, you wouldn't think I 364 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,960 had struck anything. There wasn't a dent, there wasn't a scratch, there 365 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,039 was nothing on my car. So that was shocking too. It seems shocking 366 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,640 a first glance, but a lot of eyewitnesses who had a dog me in 367 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,480 with their car, they report that they get out and look and no damage. 368 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,359 Did it ever seem to focus on you, or did to stay focused 369 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,359 on the direction I was heading away from the port? It seemed to be 370 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:08,960 focused on something. It acts like it didn't even from my impression, it 371 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,920 seemed to not even see me or the car. But I don't know, 372 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,839 you know, I don't know if it's seen the headlights and I thought, 373 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,160 you know, I don't know, but it seemed to be really focused on 374 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,400 I mean, just making a straight bee line, like like you had blinders 375 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,319 on or something you'd think and just had something straighting forward, no matter what 376 00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:32,680 it would meet up with or whatever, it was destined to just head straight 377 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,640 towards that hill. And as I drove back in the daytime, It's like, 378 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:38,839 wait a minute, now, if that thing come across that field, 379 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,960 because I could see the field much better in the daytime, if it came 380 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,559 across this field here, there's about a twelve to a fifteen foot chain link 381 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,039 fence right over there, just a few hundred feet, and so if it 382 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,279 came across there like it did that night, it had to be either barreled 383 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,680 through that fence, or jump the fence or something like that, or climbed 384 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,359 it really fast. Because I never whish I had to keep my eyes on 385 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,200 the road also, but I didn't never see it. You know, I 386 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,160 didn't even realize it at the time that there was a fence there. But 387 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,279 looking now, he had to. I guess it probably jumped it like a 388 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,720 deer. It's all I can figure. If it did. You can really 389 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:19,640 jump. Well, they can jump like you wouldn't believe. So yeah, 390 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,480 that's probably what he did. You said that you were hesitant to tell your 391 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,279 wife about what happened to you the night before. Is she really skeptical? 392 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,920 Well, I knew how skeptical I was, and I could barely believe it, 393 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,839 and I thought it and it happened to me so I was a little 394 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,240 larry about saying anything to anybody, really, but you know how some people 395 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,000 will say, oh, what was you on that night or something like that, 396 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:45,960 you know, but yeah, I didn't really mind to tell her. 397 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,759 But it's still a little odd. It's someone's like, I know, I 398 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,680 know I'm telling it, and it happened to me, but I barely believe 399 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,200 it myself. That's natural. Yeah, it's not something that's going to be 400 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,319 easy to talk about, right. How much research if you put into them, 401 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:06,920 since you had that experienced dog, well, not a whole lot of 402 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,160 research, but enough to try to discover what it was that I actually hit 403 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,240 that night. And I'm just now really learning more from you also about information 404 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,880 about this topic the beast. Since you didn't see its head, it could 405 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,599 have been something else, a different kind of cryptid. But if it was 406 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,240 a different kind of cryptid, I really don't know what it could have been. 407 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:32,039 Considering how those pointed years and those other anatomical futures he told us about, 408 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,240 It's possible as something else, but I put down good money it was 409 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:42,759 a dog man. From everything I've learned recently, I guess that's what I 410 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,920 would label it. Also because I've ruled out just about everything else. If 411 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,680 you could imagine the only thing is a ward hog, but a war upright 412 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:59,599 with real long front arms. I don't think so. No, definitely not 413 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,519 a war dog. Right. Did you know from your research that Oklahoma could 414 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,559 actually be considered to be a hot spot for dogman I did not. Yeah. 415 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:13,000 A lot of dog meet encounters happen, there is that, right, 416 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,960 yes? Or they do? Wow? Well, before I ask you for 417 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,440 any closing comments, Doc, you mentioned that you had a Pinterest page a 418 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,440 bit ago. Would you like to promote it? Yes, I'd like to 419 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:30,759 invite anyone that would be interested to check those out. I put a lot 420 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,799 of my heart and soul into these creations. Some are just for fun, 421 00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:37,519 but most are as serious as it gets, and you might learn a little 422 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,480 thing or two. If you can send me a link to that page, 423 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:44,720 I'll be more than happy to put that link in the description for tonight's show. 424 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:49,400 I would definitely do that. Consider it done, then, well, 425 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,920 Doc, before we get out of here, do you have any closing comments 426 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:58,880 you'd like to share? Will I'd like to shay everyone to not rule everything 427 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,599 out, immediately rule things out, and to you know for sure, because 428 00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:07,000 in the past I've ruled some things out that I had to rule back in. 429 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,199 So you never know what's out there and out there in the woods especially, 430 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,920 that's right. You never do know. Maybe it's a good thing we 431 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,519 don't know about everything that's out there though. That's right. Well, Doc, 432 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,920 I can't thank you enough for coming on assharing the details of that experience 433 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,679 with us. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much for having me 434 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,920 on. Well, you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much. Have 435 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:31,639 a great night.