Tonight's guest is Doctor Rainman. Doc. Welcome to the show. Thank you
good to be here. Well, it's great having you. Thank you for
your time. Doc. Please give us a brief bio on yourself. All
right, I'm a Native American Tuscarora, born into the Sign of the Raven
people of the West Wind. I've been in a few movies such as Takumps
The Last Warrior. It came out on TNT in nineteen ninety five. I've
been in few films and my passion is being a lead vocalist, and some
claimed me to be a shaman or medicine man. Wow, that's an interesting
bio. What part did you play into comes? Well, it didn't actually
have a speaking role, but I was a extra, which there's still thousands
of competing for that role. Is really exciting. Paid for everything, bust
us up to North Carolina where it was filmed, paid for the moteel,
plus your wages. And when you're doing something you enjoy. It really wasn't
even work. It was quite an experience. Oh, I'm sure it was.
Yeah, I bet that was a lot of fun. You bet,
you bet it was. Oh, I believe it. You've lived in the
country, your whole life doc not including your dog meet encounter. What's been
the wildest experience you've had while living out there. Wow, There's been lots
of experiences, from supernatural things to things that where I'm connected with nature,
really connected with all the animals around here. That buggles people's mind. How
the animals come out when I'm around. We have a deep connection. I
have a deep connection with all animals and nature. Is that deep connection you
have with the animals why some people see that you're a shaman. Yes,
many claimed to me to be a shaman. As far as the animals and
their behavior around you, do they come up and let you pet them or
how does that work? Well, my most outstanding experience with that would be
many years ago when my father passed away. I was having a difficult time.
Of course, we were really close. He was my dad and best
friend, and so when he had to leave this world and in it,
he really hit me hard. And I was outside praying and talking to the
Great Spirit. And I walked around there having a hard time. And I
walked around the corner of my house and there beside my doghouse that I had
was a small bird and it was sitting beside my dog's pant and it was
just sitting there, and I closer, I stepped he just sit there.
I was like, well, so spoke trick. A little little bird began
stepping closer closer, and still just sit there. And I could not believe
it. And I reached down my hand and the little bird, believe it
or not, stepped the full my finger. And I'm really amazed. And
I was focusing on the bird, and my problems started lifting, and my
focus was turning towards the bird and everything. And I began speaking to the
bird. I said, what's the matter with you, the little bird?
You know? Are you injured? And I began walking with the bird lit
on my finger, and I began walking around the house and talking to the
bird, and now what should I do with you, little bird? Should
I release you here? Should I go put you over here in a cage
and keep you? If I was one of these mean guys, I would
probably tear off a wing feather or something like that word couldn't fly or something
stupid like that. And I just kept talking to it and thinking, what
should I do with you, a little bird? And so I said,
well, I know exactly, I'll put you right back where I picked you
up. So I proceeded to walk back where i'd originally pick him up.
I put my hand down to the ground. He stepped off my finger.
I took two steps back, and he flew away. I was so amazed
the Great Spirit was sending him a sign that my father was okay no matter
where he was. And that was a big comfort to me. And that's
one thing that I wanted to say, Wow, that's beautiful. I'm so
glad that happened. Yes, I was really really amazed and more comforted and
giving me strength and faith and hope. Oh yeah, I'm sure you were
comforted. Well. Like I said, I'm so glad that happened. From
what I understand, Doc, you've seen and experienced several other things that weren't
dogged me and related over the past few years that shocked you. Please expand
on that for us. Yes, over the past few years, there's been
many things that has happened that has almost shocked me and astonished me, which
certain things in the past I would have not believed whatsoever with a grain of
salt would I believed some of the things that's actually happened. For instance,
one that really stands out to me is one day I was outside doing a
little bit of recording. I like to record the animals and nature, new
different things I post and make some creations in their own interest. And so
I was outside and using my phone. I heard some crows right here in
the distance. Of course, I live out here in the country in the
woods pretty much, and I heard several crows going over, and I just
wanted to get the audio recording of these crows. So I down my driveway,
got down by my gate, and just across the road is a line
of trees there and you can hear the crows call coming over. And so
I was panning my phone camera up towards the sky and trying to pick up
the audio of the crows. And I filmed for I don't know, several
minutes, and I came back in into my house to review what I just
filmed, and I was utterly shocked. When I started reviewing it, I
told my wife, Honey, come and look at this. There was something
on the screen who was not there when I was outside recording. Something small,
all blue thing zipped across in front of the screen and it would appears,
Is that a little butterfly? But I'm like, no, there was
nothing outside when I was recording it in front of me. But whatever it
was purposely was dancing around similar to the way a butterfly would float around,
but moved differently and awkward ways that I've never seen a butterfly fly, nothing
like that. And it was just a little blue spot, but it was
dancing around like a butterfly, and it would flare up as it would go
up towards the sky. It was purposely staying in front of my camera.
If you didn't know better, you would think that I was filming it by
the way the film came out, and that wasn't the case. I was
simply going where the sound of the crows was and whatever this was was purposely
staying in front of my camera. So I kept watching it. It would
flare up towards the sky, and it would flare out and sort of an
oval shape towards the bottom in like blue and purple, really pretty colors.
And after revereing it and everything, I ruled out butterfly, I ruled out
lens flare, I ruled out just about every logical thing it could have been,
and so for my deduction, you may call it a small angel or
a fairy or something like that, but it was definitely something similar to this
and much more. To my amazement, I went ahead and reached out to
one of my friends that lives in another country over in France through one of
the social abs, and I be chalked again because the girl that I spoke
to didn't seem like it was a big deal. He said, yes,
I used to have two of those come to my bedroom window every morning.
And I was like, wow, are you kidding me? And she said
yeah, and you have to be doing something special or something really unique to
have them come to you, and you should really honor that and respect them
and be really kind and talk soft when there are around. And I was
like, I couldn't hardly believe it. I was speechless, more or less.
And so that's one of the things that now I do believe in is
a type of ferry. Just because we can't see a lot of these things
doesn't mean they're not there. So that's one of my best experiences as far
as you know, learning something new and maybe even supernatural if you want to
call it, or fantasy, But there's a lot of things in this world
that existed. I used to not believe in, but I do now I
can understand why you would. And that response you got from her, I'm
sure that wasn't what you expected. That comes as a pretty big surprise.
No, you're exactly right. That shot gray Again. I was hesitant,
you know, about even saying anything to anyone, but that made me feel
a little bit better about what I was seeing. All bet it did,
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me know. All right, doc, please tell us about your encountery now,
give us every less detail that comes to mind. All right now,
we want to keep in mind that to live out in the country, approximately
ten miles from the closest small town this evening that the encounter happened, I
had some business to take care of in the big city, which was normal
driving conditions. UD be about an hour drive away. So it was wintertime,
about February. It's hard to remember exactly what day now it's been.
It's been several years back, professionally, six to seven years ago, about
in February, and it was really cold that evening. Snow was on.
It wasn't snowing at the time, but it was really cold and the wind
was blowing. Of course, you know how that is when when it's really
cold and plus the wind blowing, it makes it super cold. So I
had a small car, and of course the streets were really slick and there
was a lot of snow on. So I'm being cautious and I have to
go take care of this business over in the city. I don't remember exactly
what time it was, but it was later in the evening and it was
dark, and I was driving along the highway, passed through one small town.
Then decided to take this other little highway that kind of a shorter cut
to the big city, and it's called the Port Road. They called it
that because there's the Port of Katusha where a lot of businesses take place,
you know, tug boats and things come in, and there's like a industrial
area there. So I was driving along the highway heading towards the big city,
and you see fairly well that night because it was nighttime. Although the
snow was on, if you can imagine snow being on, the moon was
out bright, so you see fairly well that evening. And also as I
got close to this port of Katoosa that I'm speaking of, they have big
type stadium lights, et cetera out like that, so that I'm sure that
shines a little more light. And so I'm driving along and the highway kind
of makes some curves around some hills there, and it's wooded and everything on
your right. It's almost like a large cliff where the hill is there on
your right and you're curving around, and I'm looking to the left, and
probably maybe a quarter of a mile before I actually got to the Port of
Katuosa main entrance, I'm looking off to the left and it's like a tree
line with a big open field area, and of course the snow was all
one and everything. And as I was driving, I noticed something across the
field, just just coming out of the tree line. And I'm used to
seeing animals, you know, periodically, on a daily basis, so it
wasn't anything new. To me, but kept blanching over and it was I've
seen it come running across the field there towards the highway that I was on.
And as it come out, you know, I'm just I was by
myself, so but I was thinking to myself, I thought, what is
this, you know, a deer? And it was. It started.
It was running at at at pretty fast, pretty fast speed across the field,
just up in front of me, off to the left. So if
it kept running and I kept driving, we would meet up, if you
know, if you kept coming and and I kept driving, and so it
looked like we would meet up if he kept coming towards the highway. So
is it run across the field? I personal thought, is that a deer?
Who I was running? And I ruled that, I know, is
it a bear? You know, you look similar to a bear. And
of course I could I could get closer to garden. More I kept driving,
the better I could make it out. And of course I had to
keep my eyes on the road too. But as it came across the field,
it was running at a at a really high rate of speed, and
and and I thought, well, now it's not running with a with a
bounce like I've seen most animals, like a deer, you know, up
and down, the type front and back bounce type. That's the reason I
thought, is it a bear? It was it was like running in a
in a straight line without without bouncing up and down, and at a real
smooth gate. And and it appeared to be running well it's it's front arms
or front legs was moving at the same time into into one two, one
two both both, which kind of like a kind of like what you've seen
a monkey on TV or something like that, when they're running and there they
swing their back legs up and their front feet front hands are going forward at
the exact same time, kind of a swinging motion, and it kept them
at a smooth, straight gait. And that's the reason I thought it might
have been a bear. Well, it kept coming and and I thought,
no, what is this thing? And all of a sudden he was there.
I thought, you know, surely be able to come to the high
come meet me at the exact same time. But as we proceeded, and
then all this was happening really fast, and I'm just trying to break it
down preaching where you can see more my my visual of it as it had
come across the high weather. It come right in front, just barely in
front of my car, and I clipped it, and I could tell they
had brown fur all over. He was on all fours, but more of
an upright position, but in this upright position, and on all fours of
course, like I said, it's front arms or legs, whatever you would
like to call. It was reaching plump to the ground as if you know,
a regular sized man would be just kind of at a squat, but
then if your arms could reach all the way to the ground, and on
top of his head, he was brown all over, but on top of
its head and maybe back of its neck there. Like I said, it
was just a flash, and it was dark, so but I definitely know
what I saw. And it had black, long, real long, thin,
straggling hair on top, similar to what a war hog has, and
so I thought, dear bear, war hog. No, it was neither
of these. And I know my animals, and I had never seen anything
like this. It happened quickly, and I wasn't able to see it the
front of its face to where I couldn't. I couldn't tell you if it
had a long muzzle or if it had a flatter face like a human or
what. But it was definitely on all fours. Its front arms or legs
was extra long reaching the ground, and it was on all fours, but
yet more of an upright position, and probably probably three and a half foot
tall in that squatting position when that clipping. His head and shoulders was just
above the front of the car. But and it definitely had long straggly hair
on top, black long straggly hair. It was brown all over, and
its ears were extra large and pointed sharp and folded back. As you know
animals or a horse when they run, their ears folded back, and that's
the way it was. But the ears were folded back, but they were
long and sharp and come to a point. And when I clipped that thing,
it was like if you'd hit a gorilla or something like that, you
can tell it's really solid, Or if you was driving, you know,
fifty miles an hour and brushed up beside a brick wall or something like that.
That's how it seemed whenever I clipped it. And I was so amazed,
As I said, I was driving by myself, but I verbally out
loud, I looked up in the river as I clipped him, and I
said to myself out loud, what kind of beast was that? I felt
shivers, got back on my spine, and I just kept driving, and
I couldn't I couldn't get it off in mind about what this thing could have
been. You know, I couldn't hardly believe my eyes because I knew exactly
what I saw, and I knew that I'd never seen an animal that looked
like this or or fit this description. So I went ahead and proceeded to
go to the city and take care of that business, which the whole time
I couldn't get this situation off my mind. Really, But I made the
trip, and it was cold, and it took a while to get back
home, and it was late at night. So when I got back,
I went ahead and went on in the bed. My wife was asleep,
but the next morning I began to tell her about it. I was hesitant
about even telling her because it was the kind of outlandish, really, but
but it really happened, and so I told her about it, and I
took a piece of paper. I said, let me show you. I'm
not a real good artist, but I can draw a little bit, and
you know, we're pretty much help what I'm on. And so I drawed
out to the best that I could of what i'd actually witnessed and hit with
my car and my wife. I couldn't be hard to believe it either,
and so we began to research a little bit. And this is before you
know, I've even heard of dog Man or Liking or anything like this.
But I began to look and I found closest to what I had seen.
I believe I was looking on parents or through chrome, and it brought up
Liking and dog Man, and I couldn't believe it, you know, because
I had never even seen or knew what dog Man or Liking looked like or
anything whatsoever. But there were several different pictures that looked very very close to
what I had actually seen and what I had drawn out on this paper.
And so that's when I found you and gave you a GMAIL. That's pretty
much about my encounter. But like I said, how matter unbelievable it sounds,
I saw it with my eyes and I can't totally believe it, but
it happened through his reign. It might be hard for you to believe,
but I believe you that's a fact. How far were you from home where
you had that encounter, Doc, Let's see, maybe thirty forty miles from
the house from my home. I don't It was a highway, but it
was only a small two lane highway. It was kind of a back road
highway, if you will. Thirty to forty miles. Has anything happened around
your property since that night that you think it might have been? Dalt me
unrelated? Will? No, I can't really say that there has. That's
about the only thing associated with us that I've encountered. It never got off
my mind, though it's been several years, and I can still see it
like yesterday. Oh, I believe it. I'm sure that experience is still
on your mind. Yeah, it's totally normal. How much of an the
fact does that experience had on your interest in living out in the country though,
Well, he hasn't really affected me in any way like that. I'm
just just shocked in my mind that something like this is really out there and
makes you feel up questions. You know, a lot of times when something
happens or someone tells me something, the spirits usually tell me different things that
normal people wouldn't know. And I talked to the spirits and the very first
thing that came to me was for some reason, I felt like that this
thing, whatever it was, may have rode in one like one of those
tugboats from another country or from somewhere way off. He was making a bee
like because he was running out of from this industrial area, from the portication
towards the hills, towards the woods. And it definitely was either afraid of
something or trying to get somewhere, or it had a specific destination or something.
I'm not sure, but it acts like it didn't even see my car
whatsoever, like it was going to run it over or or something. It
just made a bee line, I mean, straight toward this hill and high
clipped him. And I just feel like that it could even been, Like
I said, it didn't have any knowledge of these dogmen, but at the
time, I feel like it may have been something because or high technology scientists
and all those type of things they have nowadays. I felt like it was
a DNA crossed with a human or something and it had gotten out of control
or gotten a loose from them or something like that and rode in on a
tugboat maybe or something like that. But that was my first feeling of it.
So it's coming from the port of Patusa. That's interesting. When you
saw it for the first time, could you see the industrial area of the
port right behind it or was there a woods between it and the port?
Well, they got the industrial area and then there was like a small patch
of woods or a line of woods between the industrial and the highway. It
was like the industrial area, a small line of trees, a little bit
of woods, and then that open field and then the highway. So you
come from somewhere over in the port and come through the woods and then come
across that field. So you know it was coming from out of the industrial
area there somewhere, so it didn't come out of the woods when I saw
it. You're running back towards the woods. So that that's part of what
give me the impression that you know, come in on our boat or something.
Wow, that's interesting. It really does make you wonder, that's for
sure. Due to the snow. You said you weren't driving all that fast.
How slow would you say you're going when you saw it though, Well,
it's been a several years back now, but I wasn't going maybe forty
fifty miles an hour probably. I'd say the speedling was sixty five, and
the roads were slit, and I was being cast, so i'd say between
forty and fifty miles an hour when I eating, I see, well that's
faster than I thought you were going. Did you ever get a good look
at its clause No, I sure didn't. I wasn't able to see the
facial feature or the feet or clause area. I made up the entire body
though, the ears, the back of the neck, you know, the
long hair on top, and the extra long arms was evident. Everything was
pretty plain except for the face and the extension of the hands or feet.
Also, I'd like to add a me thinking was it a deer or a
bear? Right? First, I didn't see a long tail, you know,
so it appeared to not either have a tail or maybe a small tail.
Guy couldn't say that for sure, but it appeared to not have a
tail. Well, you had so many things going through your mind. No
one could fault you for not knowing if it had a tail or not.
You're just trying to get through this experience, and one fees right. I
never once thought about going back to see if I'd actually knocked him off into
the ditch or anything like that. I was just shocked and just kept driving.
Oh that you were shocked, Yeah, anyone would be. I still
am, Oh that you are. You said you didn't get a good look
at its claws, But how does it seem to be holding its fingers as
it was running towards you on all fours fifty two. Well, like I
said, it was dark, and a lot of it happened really really quick,
so I couldn't really say for sure. But the impression that I got
and from what I saw, was like when it's knuckles like a gorilla or
a chimpanzee would run on their arms sometimes with their knuckles down. That's what
I feel like. It's the appearance that I got. Yeah, running that
way with your hands open with long clause that would be awfully difficult. So
right right, for a little bit, I even thought a monkey just I
can't. I wish I could more describe the way it was running, but
it extending both front at the same time, and like swinging and that real
smooth gait. I don't know if you could visualize that or not, but
I can. So basically it looked like a person on crutches. Yeah,
I'm moving at a high rate of speed. Yes, yes, that's a
good way of saying it. Yeah, I know what you're talking about exactly.
You said it's ears were long and sharp, but how long would you
say they were? Boy? With its size and everything it was, they
were at least the size of German shepherd DearS, if not bigger. What
I saw very sharp, very pointed, but folded back as it running.
We definitely tell they was pretty big. In a neighbor, they would stand
up, you know, if you didn't have him folded back. But yeah,
it was. It was a little frightening in a way. Oh,
I'm sure it was. Did you ever hear it make any sounds when it
was next year? I did not know, no. But now when the
car hit him, and like I said, it seemed very solid. When
I drive, I'm pretty much a professional driver. I drove just about every
type of vehicle there is and had delivery driver jobs, bus driver in the
past, big trucks, everything. So when I drive, the vehicle is
just pretty much almost an extension of my body. And the way I could
feel it when I bumped him, it's almost like you hit something really solid.
You could tell he was solid, and I don't believe it really hurt
him. But what was also amazing about it was as hard as it hit
him and everything. When I looked at my car, you wouldn't think I
had struck anything. There wasn't a dent, there wasn't a scratch, there
was nothing on my car. So that was shocking too. It seems shocking
a first glance, but a lot of eyewitnesses who had a dog me in
with their car, they report that they get out and look and no damage.
Did it ever seem to focus on you, or did to stay focused
on the direction I was heading away from the port? It seemed to be
focused on something. It acts like it didn't even from my impression, it
seemed to not even see me or the car. But I don't know,
you know, I don't know if it's seen the headlights and I thought,
you know, I don't know, but it seemed to be really focused on
I mean, just making a straight bee line, like like you had blinders
on or something you'd think and just had something straighting forward, no matter what
it would meet up with or whatever, it was destined to just head straight
towards that hill. And as I drove back in the daytime, It's like,
wait a minute, now, if that thing come across that field,
because I could see the field much better in the daytime, if it came
across this field here, there's about a twelve to a fifteen foot chain link
fence right over there, just a few hundred feet, and so if it
came across there like it did that night, it had to be either barreled
through that fence, or jump the fence or something like that, or climbed
it really fast. Because I never whish I had to keep my eyes on
the road also, but I didn't never see it. You know, I
didn't even realize it at the time that there was a fence there. But
looking now, he had to. I guess it probably jumped it like a
deer. It's all I can figure. If it did. You can really
jump. Well, they can jump like you wouldn't believe. So yeah,
that's probably what he did. You said that you were hesitant to tell your
wife about what happened to you the night before. Is she really skeptical?
Well, I knew how skeptical I was, and I could barely believe it,
and I thought it and it happened to me so I was a little
larry about saying anything to anybody, really, but you know how some people
will say, oh, what was you on that night or something like that,
you know, but yeah, I didn't really mind to tell her.
But it's still a little odd. It's someone's like, I know, I
know I'm telling it, and it happened to me, but I barely believe
it myself. That's natural. Yeah, it's not something that's going to be
easy to talk about, right. How much research if you put into them,
since you had that experienced dog, well, not a whole lot of
research, but enough to try to discover what it was that I actually hit
that night. And I'm just now really learning more from you also about information
about this topic the beast. Since you didn't see its head, it could
have been something else, a different kind of cryptid. But if it was
a different kind of cryptid, I really don't know what it could have been.
Considering how those pointed years and those other anatomical futures he told us about,
It's possible as something else, but I put down good money it was
a dog man. From everything I've learned recently, I guess that's what I
would label it. Also because I've ruled out just about everything else. If
you could imagine the only thing is a ward hog, but a war upright
with real long front arms. I don't think so. No, definitely not
a war dog. Right. Did you know from your research that Oklahoma could
actually be considered to be a hot spot for dogman I did not. Yeah.
A lot of dog meet encounters happen, there is that, right,
yes? Or they do? Wow? Well, before I ask you for
any closing comments, Doc, you mentioned that you had a Pinterest page a
bit ago. Would you like to promote it? Yes, I'd like to
invite anyone that would be interested to check those out. I put a lot
of my heart and soul into these creations. Some are just for fun,
but most are as serious as it gets, and you might learn a little
thing or two. If you can send me a link to that page,
I'll be more than happy to put that link in the description for tonight's show.
I would definitely do that. Consider it done, then, well,
Doc, before we get out of here, do you have any closing comments
you'd like to share? Will I'd like to shay everyone to not rule everything
out, immediately rule things out, and to you know for sure, because
in the past I've ruled some things out that I had to rule back in.
So you never know what's out there and out there in the woods especially,
that's right. You never do know. Maybe it's a good thing we
don't know about everything that's out there though. That's right. Well, Doc,
I can't thank you enough for coming on assharing the details of that experience
with us. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much for having me
on. Well, you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much. Have
a great night.