1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:08,039 Hello, everyone, Welcome to the latest episode of Hardwood Knocks. This is 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:13,359 Adam Framwell, back from a semilong hiatus to join my fantastic co host Dan 3 00:00:13,439 --> 00:00:19,719 for Valley. We are moving closer to the December fifteenth magic date, when 4 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:24,120 players who signed new contracts in the off season are actually eligible to be traded, 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,480 which kind of opens the floodgates in the NBA world with so many more 6 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:32,600 possibilities. And because of that, we thought it was only appropriate to start 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,439 going through team by team, starting with the Eastern Conference today and discuss some 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:42,759 trade targets, some potential trade, more overarching concepts, all sorts of stuff 9 00:00:42,799 --> 00:00:47,240 related to trades for each team, starting with the Atlanta Hawks and proceeding alphabetically. 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,640 But before we can do that, I have to ask Dan, how's 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,280 it going. I am exhausted as you know tonight, excited to get back 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,479 to podcasting with you. We've been We've been lazy over here. I think 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,640 we've only done one podcast each of the best two weeks. So we'll have 14 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:04,120 this Eastern Conference Trade target one and then next week we have a Blazers pod 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,040 that'll drop, and then we'll do You and I will sync up for the 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,120 Western Conference for sure, and we'll have to do a mailbag at some point 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,519 because I have a couple of side questions that people have already dm to me. 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,920 But I'm excited to see your face again. Video will be happening soon 19 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,400 too. You've seen the video template, so I'm not lying when I say 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,680 exists. It looks good. How are you just professional? I think it's 21 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,480 I didn't do it. My wife, who's a graphic designer, did it, 22 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,200 and I've been on her to do them. It took her probably like 23 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,079 five seconds, but I kept asking and asking, and it took me basically 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,359 being passed regressive by saying, hey, should I just hire a freelancer to 25 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,239 do this? And then lo and behold, she had it to me like 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,599 an hour later, shout out saying, how are you doing? I'm good, 27 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:49,359 I'm good. My son's third birthday party is this weekend, so I'm 28 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:53,159 like kind of wiped out just prepping for that and for having people in our 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,760 house and all that. But it'll be fun. I'm looking forward to that, 30 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:01,400 and I'm glad to be back here doing this because thanks to travel and 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,920 weird circumstances and people being sick and all that, like it's been a while. 32 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,840 Yeah, I'm interested to see how many people enjoy this podcast, because 33 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,800 I do feel like part of the MBA discussion landscape has been anti transaction. 34 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,039 I think that's mostly among MBA media types. Though that I think there are 35 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,520 some people that there are people that dislike it, and that's not there, 36 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:27,759 you know, like I can't go into like, you know, a Stephan 37 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,280 no x's and o's type breakdown or a Caitlin Cooper XS and os type breakdown, 38 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:35,719 and so there's just people that probably don't prefer this type of content. 39 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:39,000 But there's just like a sub genre of MBA media that thinks that are above 40 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:44,639 the transaction game. And I get that there's clickbait or listen bait whatever this 41 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:47,199 is, but it's also and I also do think the trades have gotten inherently 42 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,719 less interesting since the play in started, since so many teams think they have 43 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,000 something to play for. That being said, it's like a part of the 44 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,919 and I do enjoy it for the most part. I do understand the human 45 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,759 element behind it, that these players will be switching ocals. That's part of 46 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,000 the obligation of playing in the NBA though, that's why you're getting paid most 47 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,879 of these guys a ton of money, and I do think that every aspect 48 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,680 of the NBA is important. Like I'm going to read up and try and 49 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:15,520 follow along with x's and os even though it's not my fort like they're nitty 50 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,360 gritty xs and os, even though it's not my forte. I'm gonna watch 51 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:23,520 a game between fucking Orlando and Oklahoma City in the middle of March if there 52 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:25,719 is one, because like, I need to try and be in tune with 53 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:31,360 every team as much as possible. Adam Silver might attend these days. Attending 54 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,360 Magic Kings was It's funny because I've kind of enjoyed when they've been healthy watching 55 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,479 the Magic this year. But that's just like a game you wouldn't expect the 56 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,960 commissioner of the NBA to go to. Definitely not so yeah. If people 57 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,039 if this isn't for some people, you, I guess, don't listen to 58 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,120 it. But I do think trades are are important and they are fun. 59 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:52,719 I don't think they need to be the sole focus. I get that some 60 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:55,560 people think the NBA is too hypothetically covered, and I totally get there's an 61 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:00,680 oversaturation of this. But as Adam already alluded to. December tenth is coming. 62 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:03,240 Most of the people who signed contracts, with the exception of a handful 63 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,599 like a like a talent Horton Tucker. I think I can't even remember which 64 00:04:08,599 --> 00:04:10,719 ones they are. I have them in my document who can't be traded toil 65 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:13,960 like January or slightly later, most of those guys can be traded. It's 66 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,639 the unofficial start of trade season. And at this podcast specifically, like we'll 67 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,920 do these two podcasts, then I'm sure we'll do a trade idea podcast at 68 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:25,079 some point. We're not going to try and over inundate you with this stuff. 69 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,920 I still just you know, it just it grinds my gears. I 70 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,279 guess is my old man yelling at clouds that there are certain people that just 71 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:38,399 think that they're they're so far above the transaction game and or and even if 72 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:40,199 people think that, like, oh, I don't want to read about the 73 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:45,399 actual basketball. My big thing is I'm not going to police how people want 74 00:04:45,439 --> 00:04:50,199 to consume this league, this sport. But I'm very much unless it's detrimental 75 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,319 or a moral consume the sport. How you want to consume the sport, 76 00:04:55,959 --> 00:04:57,959 I'm right there with you. I don't think it's any secret that, like 77 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,959 this kind of content isn't my favorite, I still get it, and I'm 78 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:04,480 still willing to participate in it. And I do think that we're way too 79 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:11,240 quick to criticize different types and really different levels of fandom. I'm always bothered 80 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,920 by the implication that casual is supposed to be an insult, Like not everyone 81 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,720 is required to follow the nuances of the league, and it is not mandatory 82 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,759 to have enjoyment. And ultimately, that's what the NBA is. It's an 83 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,879 entertainment product. So if if you are able to find entertainment value in watching 84 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:32,279 basketball, even if you're not studying the rosters, even if you can't name 85 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:35,279 more than fifteen people, I don't. I just I don't think that should 86 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:40,040 be looked down upon. No, I don't think there's any and I'm told, 87 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,639 by the way, just to make this clear, I don't people who 88 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,120 just say that the hypothetical trades aren't there thing maybe even go a level of 89 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:47,720 above what you said. I think that's absolutely fine. It's just like the 90 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:53,000 parade of I'm better or I'm above this. It just comes off. It's 91 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,000 the difference between not engaging with the content not producing the content, not caring 92 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,439 for the content and doing all of those things and broadcasting that you feel that 93 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,000 way, or just crediting the people that are putting actual thought into it, 94 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,439 because there's are obviously clickbait. And what's funny about these podcasts for us is 95 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:14,000 they're not our most listening to podcasts by any stretch, like some of the 96 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,959 other league wide stuff we do just gets more downloads, pints, download this 97 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,360 episode, subscribe to Hardware Knocks if you've not already for our first time listeners 98 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:26,240 who who have barreled through this rant. But that's just my mini soapbox spiel 99 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,560 at the moment, because I do think this happens, and especially for people 100 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,199 like us, even if we're blatantly wrong, like there's real thought put into 101 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:36,519 this, so we're not trying to sling mud or just only gobble up low 102 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:41,439 hanging through here. I'm just there's so much that goes into this league, 103 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,519 and I respect how anyone wants to cover it within reason obviously or consume it. 104 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:51,600 And I do think that's a good natural segue to shouting on a previous 105 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,800 episode of this podcast. I believe we did it back in July talking about 106 00:06:56,879 --> 00:07:01,519 how Dan currently and me in the past have worked to construct fake trades, 107 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,720 the value they bring, the potential pitfalls, how to handle the response to 108 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,800 them, everything. I think it was one of the single best episodes that 109 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:15,519 we've done at Hardwood Knocks. So I'll make sure that Dan downloaded ones too. 110 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,160 Shout out to us, Shout out to us. So make sure that 111 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:24,120 Dan provides a link to it, because we need to see. That's absolute. 112 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,959 Doesn't matter, We're not we don't care about downloads. We're gonna talk 113 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:30,759 about what we want to talk about. You've already brought up downloads twice. 114 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,959 I'm very self conscious about our downloads because we've been around a while and we 115 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,319 are surviving. I know there are operations that are larger than ours, but 116 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,160 we had people send us their Spotify wrap. We ended up on it. 117 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:46,000 Shout out to all those people, So I'm happy with the numbers that we 118 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,720 do. Was just that was an episode that was not one of our more 119 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,920 poppulent ones. Even though I agree with you that I think it was. 120 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,600 I think it promoted more like meaningful responses from people who listened to it. 121 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,639 Even if the numbers were lower, they were they were high quality lists that's 122 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,000 how we'll that's how we'll put it. That's what it was. We were 123 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,839 not volume shooters there. The last note I think before we begin is I 124 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:09,040 tackled this from knowing that we wanted to enter blind and throw these names at 125 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:16,480 Adam. I'll named guys by thinking about potential packages, but we don't have 126 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,160 packages for everyone because there's some teams I have like eight names for it. 127 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:22,160 Then I'm just gonna rattle off and we're gonna try and go through this quickly 128 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:24,800 in about an hour. But I looked at team needs, what I think 129 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,600 they need the most, and then who could they get within reason? What 130 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:30,839 type of contracts do they have to send out? What is their draft that 131 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:33,519 would be like. While we will not always get into the nitty gritty of 132 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,120 this, like I said, well, I'm sure I'll convince Adam to do 133 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,840 a trade idea pod because, for better or worse, I really do enjoy 134 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:41,320 doing I think it's a good thought exercise, especially closer to the deadline. 135 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:46,679 I enjoy responding to them a lot more than I enjoy the ideation process. 136 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:48,679 Dan has always been way better at that part, to the point that when 137 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,080 we were both writing at Bleacher Report, I basically had to run any ideas 138 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:58,919 by him. Yeah, back before you were a trader and left Bleacher Report. 139 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,360 And finally, the one thing this is more of an observation. It's 140 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,159 gotten a lot harder to do these because there there are just fewer teams that 141 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,840 you can project as sellers, even with the Pacers coming out, And maybe 142 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,759 we should even just start with whatever we'll get. We'll get there for sure. 143 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:18,840 But yeah, I mean, thirteen of the fifteen teams in the mix 144 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:22,519 for at least a play in birth, and I would wager that even the 145 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,320 Pacers, who again will get too later are in the mix for it, 146 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:31,000 because they're not going to just be engaging in a fire sale for the sake 147 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,000 of a total tear down right, and they have It's clear that people like 148 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,039 have not thought about the Indiana Pacers before. Now certain people just based off 149 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:43,080 like some of the packages that have been floated for Miles Turner and sabonas specifically, 150 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:50,960 and also sort of the the other thing here is it feels like that 151 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,919 has a weird impact on the actual trade market, like to play in where 152 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,799 it's teams are less likely to go make these heavy all in moves during the 153 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:03,840 middle of the season because they're either going to happen during the off season or 154 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:07,200 like because free agency basically no longer unfolds, and free agency we're talking about 155 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,360 extensions now. Looking at Damian Lillard report, which was bs definitely coming from 156 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:16,200 nelile SHA's camp, the way he's kind of dragged Dame through the Mudson's leaving 157 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,080 Portland's wild, but we'll have a Portland podcast coming anyway. I just trades. 158 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,320 They're still interesting to me, but I do think like the transaction landscape 159 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:26,159 is vastly different from three or four years ago. Yeah, I could not 160 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,240 agree with that more. Let's begin with your Atlanta Hawks. I did not 161 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,919 run these names by you. I probably should have. And the one thing 162 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,000 I mentioned about them that they're a great exercise and how I thought about this 163 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,759 and the next team that I think will be a great exercise is actually the 164 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:43,120 Pistons, which we'll get into and talk about that they're not really built for 165 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:48,720 a small trade. Yes, they have these smaller type salaries, but some 166 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,639 of them, like a Cam Reddish or DeAndre Hunter, you're not They're still 167 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:54,080 a key piece, so you're not just going to send them out for nothing, 168 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,679 and then you just look at all their other salaries like that, you're 169 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:03,919 you're either not trading trade if you're gonna trade at Bogda mcdonovitch, he's important 170 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,679 to what you're doing. It's a larger salary also, so that it's the 171 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,480 same thing with the Neil Gallinari. The names I have for them, and 172 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:13,639 this is just based off I think they need better point of attack defense in 173 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,519 general, and I understand some of that this season they've suffered with DeAndre Hunter 174 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,559 cam Reddish being injured, but Clickopella just really hasn't looked the same and so 175 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,320 you can't funnel guys towards him like you used to. It's not a sustainable 176 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,679 model, even with the way John Collins has been playing. So the names 177 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,399 I came up with where Derek White is on the higher end. He's been 178 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:35,759 pretty bad offensively at points this year. He is someone who can run a 179 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:39,759 pick and roll and then gives you some real defensive juice on the perimeter or 180 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,600 on the lower end. And I'm not sure whether conference rivals would be trading 181 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,759 with each other. I do have one of the Hawks players names listed for 182 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:50,200 them when we get to them, but was Josh Richardson In Boston who can 183 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,960 be traded despite signing his extension since he didn't get like this huge ass raise. 184 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,480 And those are just the two of the names I came up with, 185 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,279 because unless they're gonna go star hunting and you want them to look at and 186 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,120 I don't even know what the star is because they need a superstar wing and 187 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:07,559 that's just not really going to become available, and if it does, it's 188 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,399 happening in the off season when it's a free for all and anyone can pursue 189 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:18,399 said player. But the only part I'll push back on is the Capella portion, 190 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,600 because he was pretty clearly belabored with some injuries in the beginning of the 191 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,320 season when he was even on the court, and he has looked more spry 192 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,960 in recent games, and I think we're seeing some noticeable strides as a result 193 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,559 with the Hawks. Even early in the season when the struggles were more pronounced, 194 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:41,000 neither of us were really panicking because it was clear that this team, 195 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,759 which had so much continuity from the previous season that resulted in an Eastern Conference 196 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:48,519 Finals appearance, that there was going to be a higher level to which it 197 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:56,039 would rebound, and I think Capella rediscovering that form of last season plays a 198 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,360 big part in that. But yeah, I mean the wing is still the 199 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,000 biggest need. It's a evaded by the absences of the guys who were supposed 200 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:05,960 to grow, and both of those players make sense. I don't know that 201 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,240 it would be worth paying the premium it would take to get Derek White because 202 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:15,759 of the offensive struggles and just because they have enough depth at point guard in 203 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,679 the future with Sharif Cooper in addition to Trey Young, like you can reasonably 204 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,679 think that rotation is more set and just probably would not be worth paying that 205 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,120 price. With Josh Richardson, I think that that is a name that the 206 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:33,360 Hawks should undoubtedly pursue because he doesn't need the ball in his hands, but 207 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,120 he can operate off the catch and put it on the floor and find another 208 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,080 open teammate. But you're paying for the three and D element, which is 209 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,639 exactly what this team needs to be looking for if it makes a move at 210 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,840 all, which I think is pretty unlikely given the roster construction. Yeah, 211 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,320 Richardson's tough, just because he's definitely dropped off over the past couple of years, 212 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,200 but he's better this year than he was less season, and with I 213 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,960 will clarify with Derek White. Is my thought process there was you're using salary 214 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:03,840 anchors, so like your gallow or you're Bogdanovitch. I don't even know if 215 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,960 I give up Aganovitch for him and he's been bad, But so you're using 216 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,080 your salary anchor, and gallow makes more, so you might take back more 217 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:16,159 from san Antonio, but your salary anchor maybe Jalen Johnson. And then it's 218 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,000 with picks, like I'm not including Camber Redish or DeAndre Hunter in that deal, 219 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,840 just to be clear. And it's only if the Spurs look at White's 220 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:24,799 contract and they're a little if be on it. He's older. They want 221 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:28,519 to enter their their rebuild and they would prefer to recoup picks and maybe take 222 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,720 a flyer on a Jalen Johnson. And the other thing that makes it's difficult 223 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,679 about the Hawks is like we know they're not going to trade Collins, we 224 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,320 know they're not gonna trade trade Young and they extended Kevin Hurder. You're not 225 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,639 moving him on the poison pill provision. It's like there's even a more finite 226 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:45,559 list of players that you can move. I would be willing if you wanted 227 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,559 to step ladder your way to Derek White. I would be willing to move 228 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:50,360 the loan right, even though he's been big defensively, because I think White 229 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:56,480 is a step up significantly defensively from the loan right. I would as well. 230 00:14:56,559 --> 00:15:00,919 But yeah, I mean, how hot of take is it to say 231 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,440 that I probably wouldn't want to move Jayalen Johnson and a Derek White deal. 232 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:09,120 I'm still so high on that guy's potential, and I realized that can come 233 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,399 across as biased, given that you introduced this as my Atlanta Hawks, but 234 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:20,480 he was in the number one pick conversation before his one season A duke went 235 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:24,320 so sour, it's worth seeing what is there. I guess it's just with 236 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:28,799 him Yeka kong Wu and then Clink Capella and John Collins there. I wonder 237 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,480 what his pathway to playing time is per se, and they've been they've they've 238 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:35,480 played him at center this season, so I guess that's the pathway. But 239 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:37,559 again, if Okongo is healthy, I'm just curious as to how that works. 240 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,399 I don't think it's a hot take. De Jeante Murray's dad would definitely 241 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,080 agree with you. I guess i'd be banking a little bit on the space 242 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,559 that Atlanta can create on offense probably opens up things for Derek White because San 243 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,320 Antonio, if they get into the half court like they could be super clumpy. 244 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:56,399 Yeah, but I think the counter argument is that if Jayalen Johnson does 245 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:02,799 pan out, that he's only promoting more of that space from an unorthodox position 246 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:06,559 like that that can be immensely valuable on this team with so many shooters. 247 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:08,159 I just if you're not willing to give up Jalen Johnson in that trade, 248 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:11,519 you have to view Derek White as you just don't think it's gonna happen. 249 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:15,000 Well, I don't. I don't think any of these are gonna happen. 250 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,919 These are my thought ex resides. So for the Boston Celtics, I'll run 251 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,320 through the names I have here. I feel like they need a whole bunch 252 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,039 of stuff, but I would prefer to see them get someone else who can 253 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:27,360 handle the ball and create They could kind of use some extra wind depth too, 254 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:32,320 even though you have Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. Mean Brown's been through 255 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:37,120 the ringer this year obviously, So a lockdown shoot, a wing or just 256 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,840 like someone who can put pressure on the basket, so it should. It 257 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:42,440 feels like everything is offense. Everything, Yeah, on offense anyway. The 258 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:48,279 names I have are Doug mc dermott, Kyle Landerson, Daniel Gallinari or Casselvert. 259 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,200 And I actually I like Gallo in Boston because of the way if you're 260 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,600 gonna have Horford or Robert Williams the third upfront, and just he is Gallows 261 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,519 starting to pick up and you technically have him from one season. He's partial 262 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:02,960 guarantee for next year and he can really do things for you in the playoffs 263 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,400 get to the line still, So I don't think he's I don't know. 264 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,799 You go into the trade and I'm saying, hey, he's my top target, 265 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:12,680 because you are going to end up giving up a fairly expensive player for 266 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:17,759 Gallo just because he's making so much money, and that would be something to 267 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:21,720 consider here. But I think he'd be interesting, So I had him, 268 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:25,039 Doug McDermott, Kyle Anderson, and Carras Lavert. I hit all the lines 269 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,880 of the spectrum here. I'm pretty game for any of those except McDermott, 270 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:33,480 just because I think the one thing that you're looking for if your Boston is 271 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:37,559 the ability to take a little bit of offensive pressure off of Jaylen Brown and 272 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,160 Jason Tatum in a way that diversifies the entire offense. And that's not going 273 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,680 to happen with Doug McDermott, who's just such a complimentary catch and shoot piece. 274 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:49,759 I don't think you want significant portions of the half court set running through 275 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:53,519 him at any time, and I would just push back. I think he's 276 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:59,079 established himself, and I know people didn't really like his contract with the Spurs. 277 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:02,319 I think that's probably more to do with the Spurs than McDermott, just 278 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:06,079 based off San Antonio's timeline. But he's someone who can really score on cuts. 279 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:07,960 Can He's not shooting well on drives this year, but again there's not 280 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,319 a kind of open space in San Antonio. He did better on that in 281 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:15,720 Indiana last year, so I think he would work well in Boston. And 282 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:19,759 what the opportunity cost I'm thinking of here is for a contract like that is 283 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:23,599 if the Spurs are becoming sellers, you're looking at you have the one Herning 284 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,920 Gomez salary, and then it's you know, Romeo Langford might be too much 285 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,200 because Aaron E. Smith too much? Is Peyton Pritchard too much? And 286 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,720 then a pick. So I think that there are ways to get there without 287 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,519 trading anyone that's really consequential to you, and that's would be huge for him. 288 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:41,480 And I think the package would have to be you're selling a young player 289 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:44,920 and a pick. I think that probably works for a Carus Lavert. I 290 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,319 don't know you the gallow stuff would be would be interesting because you do have 291 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,000 expensive salaries to get there, But the Josh Richardson and one Herning Gomez for 292 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:55,960 Dino Gallinari, that's a framework that could techinically work. I don't know how 293 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,119 interested in Atlanta would be in that. And then Kyle Anderson, sort of 294 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,799 just like Memphis, is my favorite of my favorite of the bunch. I 295 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:06,200 think he might be the like the worst fit of the bunch. I don't 296 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,799 think he's a terrible fit. He's hitting third, he's hitting a higher clip 297 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:11,279 of his threes than Carris Labertas this year, and you can handle the ball, 298 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:15,079 and he's gonna be a better defender than anyone I included on this list. 299 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,559 I'm curious he's entering free agency. Memphis isn't playing him as much this 300 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:22,359 season. Would they be able to give him up? And what does it 301 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,759 cost, like, can you attach they're trying to win now, so was 302 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:27,920 Juan Herning Gomez plus picks or one of those young Does that get the job 303 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,559 done for him? I don't know, but probably not. I think his 304 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,480 salary is kind of feasible to Matt. I think so to me, just 305 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:38,279 based off memphisis timeline how much they've used him given the uptake. You have 306 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,680 Dylan Brooks, you have Desmond Baine. Maybe they make another trade too. 307 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,119 I would think you can sweeten it enough with picks and young players to get 308 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,480 Anderson out of Memphis, just knowing he's assumed to be free agent. I 309 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:52,720 have a Doug McDermott trivia question for you now, So it's looking at it 310 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:56,759 up while I was curious just about how reliant he is on set up passes 311 00:19:56,279 --> 00:20:02,880 dating back to the beginning of the twenty seventeen eighteen season. So this encompasses 312 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,039 his brief times with the Knicks and the and the Mavericks, as well as 313 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:10,000 his three years with the Pacers and the current season with San Antonio. Doug 314 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:14,559 McDermott has made four hundred and fifty three pointers. How many of those were 315 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:22,039 unassisted? You want a percentage or a total total. What's that number again? 316 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:30,119 Out of four hundred and fifty, I'm gonna say twenty zero. Wow. 317 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,480 I mean he's not that type of players. He has not made an 318 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:38,119 unassisted three in the last four and counting seasons. I don't know that that's 319 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,279 fine with me, By the way, I think they don't see. I 320 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:48,079 just I don't think it's what they need. They need shooting without a doubt. 321 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,079 I just think it's more important that you diversify the offense by forcing the 322 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:56,000 ball out of Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum's hands every once in a while. 323 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,839 I think you need that guy who can actually create. And I would say 324 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,200 you have Al Horford, Marcus Smart, and Dennis Shrewders. You're alternatives. 325 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,960 I don't think any of them are the ideal. Yeah, yeah, but 326 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:14,799 you have some ability in conjunction with shooting. And I think that's why I 327 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:18,920 like Kyle Anderson more than the others, because even if he position wise probably 328 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,880 isn't the best fit for this team, his skill set, just the ability 329 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,240 to put the ball on the floor and create for himself in slow motion a 330 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:33,160 little bit, while also serving as a respectable outside shooter, is what I 331 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,640 would pick for this team. The issue there is, if you want to 332 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,720 argue that point of attack offense is their biggest need, you can't go after 333 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:45,720 Kyle Anderson, then like this needs to be a Darn Fox or Damian Lillard 334 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:49,400 situation. And so that's why I think I think Carrath the Vert probably comes 335 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,599 to or actually Gallo probably comes the closest to straddling both lines. So he 336 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,079 might be my favorite, even I think it's just harder to get him probably 337 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,599 at Yeah, I like McDermott more than Vert because he's the biggest carous Lavert 338 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,039 fan, and I know he's the thing. He's coming back from the was 339 00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:07,400 it the kidney cancer? I think he had like he deserves all the time 340 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,319 in the World's trying to work his way back in fury. He's probably the 341 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,880 best fit, but he's always had his struggles with off the ball shooting and 342 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,160 is not hitting jumpers that well this season does put pressure on the basket. 343 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:22,640 Gallows probably my favorite functional fit. I just think I like McDermott because you 344 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,359 actually have what he does available and shorter supply on your roster than what Kyle 345 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,480 Anderson does on offense. To me, Yeah, fair enough. This team 346 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:36,559 is inherently uninteresting when we get to the nets, and the way I approached 347 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:38,519 this is that they're not trading hard and they're not trading Durant. We can 348 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:42,559 come they should trade Kyrie Irving if but they're not. I would be shocked 349 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:47,200 if they did. Anyway, you're not trading Joe Harris. He's injured and 350 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,480 I know he just slow starts the year. I still think he's important, 351 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,160 but his injury I think makes it not impossible but very unlikely you're gonna trade 352 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,119 him. Patty Mills has become way too important, and so after him, 353 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,839 your next highest paid player. I just name their five paid player players is 354 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,960 Bruce Brown Junior, who has an implicit no trade cause and earns under five 355 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,599 million dollars after him as Jevon Carter at three point seven, and so I 356 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,839 think you can talk yourself into the next needing a bunch of things. They've 357 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,559 gotten a lot of mileage out of a very slap dash front court, like 358 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:22,400 a Marcus Aldridge is shooting the hell out of long twos Nicholas Claxton's back. 359 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,240 They've gotten really good minutes from James Johnson, Blake Griffin's out of the rotation. 360 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,559 Paul millsapp is sparingly used. So they it's like a mishmash up there, 361 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:33,799 and you have Bruce Brown Junior to be sort of your your pseudo big 362 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,640 They're all they have and they're playing DeAndre Benbury. So I think that also 363 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,839 means, especially with their alliance on Cam Thomas, they need wings as well, 364 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,960 and so I just went with just some cheap o wings that wouldn't cost 365 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,319 anyone through basically Bruce Brown Junior like he would still be on your officer after 366 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,799 this. I've Justin Holliday, who's gonna be mentioned a lot here because the 367 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:56,559 Pacers, the report for the Athletic we should get that out of the way, 368 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,680 was they're ready to blow it up. They kind denied it. They 369 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,440 said they talked to their players and said that necessarily the case. And look, 370 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,799 they have a top ten net rating outside garbage time, they're just pretty 371 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,720 far under five hundred. But Justin Holliday, ken Ridge Williams just one of 372 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,160 my guilty pleasures in the NBA, and Daniel M. House just as a 373 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,279 I think Holliday and Williams do more in general, and House is theoretically a 374 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,000 three point here. I think he's just a body where it's like, hey, 375 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:25,240 go defend the two, three, four, or even some five, 376 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,920 and that would be interesting for Brooklyn. Those aren't splashy additions. And by 377 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,920 the way, that net campigs is eleventh in points allowed per possession. I 378 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,720 just don't I don't think they have a game changing move in them. Even 379 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:42,079 if I guess I guess the way you phrased it, I'm not entirely sure 380 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,680 that I agree they don't have a game changing trade in them. I think 381 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,559 that someone like House is probably the best target, just a versatile defender who 382 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,240 can reasonably line up against a wide variety of positions and allow Steve Nash to 383 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:02,319 run out even more different lineups build to around the stars who are actually willing 384 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,240 to play basketball right now, I think the big move comes on the buyout 385 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,680 market, just as we saw last year when they acquired more veterans, Like, 386 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,519 we're going to see somebody who gets bought out and wants to go play 387 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,079 for a contender, and you know that Brooklyn is going to be functioning as 388 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,119 such when the buyout market is in play. So I just I don't think 389 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:27,319 we see any moves at all from this team. But if there are house 390 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:33,119 is a reasonable target just I'm easy to acquire pseudo veteran who can be plug 391 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,359 and play on the defensive ent. Well, someone like Holiday is good for 392 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,599 them because it could be a two for one where then you open up your 393 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,319 roster spot to use on the buyout market, because that's gonna have to I 394 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:45,920 don't think they have a roster spot right now, unless my sheet is wrong, 395 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,559 I do not have them as having a roster spot. So that's something 396 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:51,279 that they're gonna have to consider, and just to speak to kind of their 397 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:53,200 need on the wings or even the front court like David Duke junior on a 398 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,720 two way just all minutes for them in part because of the availability. But 399 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:02,160 I just think the next need wings which someone needs to sign James Ennis unless 400 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,319 there's like an injury we don't know about here. I cannot believe James Ennis 401 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:12,599 remains unsigned. But let's move on. There's Charlotte Hornets. Everyone thinks that 402 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,759 or knows that they need a big I think the names that are going to 403 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,279 pop up, and I would agree with them are Miles Turner or Rashaun Holmes. 404 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:22,880 My issue with them, how many times have we mentioned those two names 405 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,079 with this team already, I don't know that Homes would be so fun to 406 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,079 watch within the offense. And he's a better rim protector than people think. 407 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,880 I don't think he gives you enough of the interior defense. Miles Turner certainly 408 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,440 does. Is this team good enough to go all in on a trailer? 409 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,279 Because okay, so what I came up with was difficult is I don't know 410 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:45,000 who you're It's easier to get Homes if you're just sweetening it with if you're 411 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,920 willing to give up a book night, which maybe you're not because Home is 412 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,519 a big but you can do picks plumbly and another salary, and I don't 413 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:53,960 even know if that's enough to get him as a baseline. So you don't 414 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,640 have to give up like a Terry Rosier or and you can't even give up 415 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,359 a Terry Rosier right now. You don't have to give up a Gordon Word, 416 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,880 you don't have to give up a PJ. Washington with a Miles Turner, 417 00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:08,279 you do, You're gonna have to give up Washington and you can't can't 418 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,160 like you can't step out of your way middle of the season and do a 419 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,240 four for one. So I just don't know what the deal is to get 420 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:19,359 Turner's money back, and I guess you go Ubre Washington, Ubray Washington and 421 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,519 picks. Does that? I guess are you're willing to give up that much 422 00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:30,960 for Miles Turner. I think it makes sense for this team it to this 423 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,160 click does it does? But I think that there's already reason to believe that 424 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,240 that's worth doing. LaMelo ball during his rookie season was super fun, was 425 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:45,400 impactful, was largely good. I don't think we knew if it was the 426 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,200 product of their just not being a big time scouting report on him as a 427 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,319 guy who was not playing in one of the premier leagues in the world or 428 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:59,200 in the NCAA and he was able to parlay that into so much success, 429 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,680 or if he was a legitimate foundational block. I don't think that question exists 430 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,440 anymore. He is the guy in Charlotte who is going to be able to 431 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,160 elevate this team for the better part of a decade, and there are already 432 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,839 good fitting pieces around him in Miles Bridges and Terry Rogier and then on some 433 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,319 nights guys like Gordon Hayward. If you put that rim protecting defensive player the 434 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,880 year, chasing occasionally floor stretching big in Miles Turner next to LaMelo Ball with 435 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,759 the rest of this roster around him, I think Charlotte makes some noise in 436 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:37,799 the playoffs this year. I get it. It just seems like an unnecessary 437 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,279 risk at this point. And it's funny, isn't that the kind of risk 438 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,400 that a team in this market that isn't going to have the free agency appeal 439 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,119 needs to make when that kind of opportunity presents itself. Because Turner is the 440 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,440 kind of player you draw up to fill in the cracks of this team. 441 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,519 Filling the cracks, but doesn't elevate you to a conference finalist, because that 442 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:02,440 has to be aim if you're making an all in trade right now given the 443 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,200 youth. Maybe not this year, but it certainly is reasonable within the near 444 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:08,599 future. And that's why I would just bide my time if I were them, 445 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,119 and to that point I have I'll call him stop gap suggestions. Mo 446 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:18,119 Bamba. I think he's been playing, he's been good this year in Orlando. 447 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,720 How much does it cost to get him the one? And my this 448 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,759 is probably a hot take at the moment. I think the Knicks need to 449 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:27,200 become quasi sellers. They're just this is not this is not the roster. 450 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:32,559 I think it's clear we'll have to do a deeper dive on that little secret 451 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:34,279 there is that you've been saying that since like Game two of this season. 452 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,279 No I was definitely aboard the Knicks train when they were like six and one 453 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,000 or whatever. It is been all downhill basically since that went over the bulls. 454 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:47,279 Nolan's Noel would be interesting here a minter end salary, and he can 455 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:48,359 run the floor with you, even though he has terrible hands, and he's 456 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,680 gonna give you some real rim protection. He can't play a ton of minutes 457 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,880 because he will get in foul trouble and he just never played a ton of 458 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,880 minutes. But given that you want to play smaller, that's actually not a 459 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,319 bad thing for you. And it's not he's not going to cost you if 460 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:06,519 the Knicks are selling, or if the Knicks aren't at most like an Ubre 461 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,759 for Norlan's Noel swap, and the Knicks might even have to send you something 462 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,319 in that given how Ubre has played this season. So the fact that he 463 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:15,680 doesn't cost you a core guy or a core pick, I think that's intriguing 464 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,839 for them. I'm one pcent on board with that as a lower end target. 465 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,519 But I do think that following this Pacers report, I would love to 466 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:30,240 see Charlotte strike on that. What do you think about Christian Wood for this 467 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:34,480 team? Another really strong fit. I just I like the idea of guys 468 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:40,880 who have biggs who can really keep up with LaMelo in in transition, who 469 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,839 can also create in the half court set and are total slapters on defense. 470 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,519 I think the Turner is a better fit. But if you name an athletic 471 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,799 big and I'm going to tell you that I like him here because that's what 472 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:53,519 you want to put around LaMelo Ball. I do just think that if you're 473 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,720 going to make the all in play right now, it feels Miles Turner or 474 00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:03,000 bust ish because is Christian Wood just isn't gonna give you enough defensively. He's 475 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,640 gonna give you less, way less defensively than Noel, less than Rashaun Holmes. 476 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,279 I think if there was a way to just make the mid end move 477 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:11,960 where if you want to step above Noell, what is the cost of Rashaun 478 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:18,960 Holmes? Maybe a Yaka Peardle. See, I don't think I would want 479 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,079 to go anywhere in between, because with Newland's Noel, you can get away 480 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,880 with offering nothing better than you bray. If you go above that, then 481 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,359 PJ. Washington is probably entering the discussion, and I just don't want that 482 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,440 to happen unless it's for a player I dm a very strong fit like Miles 483 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:40,799 Turner. I would you give a PJ. Washington for Rashaun Holmes for this 484 00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,799 team? I don't think I would for this team if it was Mason Plumbly 485 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,359 and PJ. Washington, you wouldn't do that. No, I don't think 486 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,359 I love Rashaun Holmes, as you know, I don't come off it. 487 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,000 I don't think he provides the defensive presence that I would need to give up 488 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,680 PJ. Washington, not because it wouldn't be a good val value, but 489 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:05,480 because I then don't have that asset to move for a better fit. I 490 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,000 think it's fair because you're also then trading two of your quote unquote centers, 491 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,440 because we know Washington plays and dual big lineups as well for one, and 492 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,839 that is what it's not. It's in a vacuum. Yes, I'm moving 493 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:22,160 PJ. Washington and Mason plumbly for Rashaun Holmes without linking. But for this 494 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,440 team, when I have to consider the other assets, I need to be 495 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:30,000 able to move, because all of a sudden, then you're starting to talk 496 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,279 about Miles Bridges or Terry Rosier in a trade, and I don't want to 497 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:38,440 be doing that. Yeah and yeah, yeah, the Miles Bridges stuff. 498 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,880 Even with this next contract, you just don't want to give him up. 499 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,400 The other name. I thought about if he became available and people are adamant 500 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,440 that he's not a center, would you do the Miles Turner special and it 501 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:55,119 would cost more? But for a Pascal Siakam on this team it would cost 502 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,599 more. I would be very intrigued. I just don't really see a feasible 503 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,480 path there. I don't think Siakam is exactly what this team wants or needs, 504 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,759 but he's so good in so many different areas that it's hard to ever 505 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:13,720 turn down a player of that caliber. I think that's totally fair. And 506 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,240 that's why the Hornets were just interesting, because I don't think they're at the 507 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:20,039 point where they should do the Turner type move. I do, but I 508 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,400 get why you don't think so. For Chicago, they were interesting they could 509 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,039 probably use, or definitely could use a backup big. They do have some 510 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,759 assets in the chamber if they want to trade a first and then you have 511 00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:34,759 Derek Jones Junior's expiring salary. I just think they need to get like a 512 00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,200 an impactful wing, preferably one who can shoot threes, but just to make 513 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:42,640 up some of the defensive ground you lost with Patrick Williams. Even if Patrick 514 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,480 Leomis wasn't a good defender, he was covering a ton of tough assignments. 515 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,359 And yes, you have Alex Caruso, you have Devonte Green, but I 516 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,920 still think they could use insurance, especially if you want to go after some 517 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,559 bigger guys. The names I have from them are Tory Craig, Josh Hart, 518 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:58,640 and Kyle Anderson. And just to be clear, I'm not saying I 519 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,680 would give up I would probably give up a first Portland's first round pick for 520 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:05,640 Josh Hart. I'm not giving up a first round pick for any of the 521 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,719 other guys. But those are the names that I thought of for them because 522 00:34:07,719 --> 00:34:10,760 I think they need more than just a Daniel House Junior could work for this 523 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,760 team, too, but I think they need like a little bit more defensive 524 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,719 than that or a little bit more of. And you know Tory Craig is 525 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,920 going to give you some offensive rebounding, Josh Hart can put some pressure on 526 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,000 the rim, Kyle Anderson gives you some extra ball handling and playmaking, and 527 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:29,840 Daniel House is just very he's a defensive specialist at this point because he's not 528 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,639 shot well enough to be called three and day. I like all those those 529 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:39,519 potential targets here for exactly the reasons that you explained. Chicago is another team 530 00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:45,360 where I'm just not quite sure the degree to which they want to be buyers 531 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,880 right now, because it's clear that they're not sellers. But if you're making 532 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,920 a big move, where's it coming from? And really, if you're making 533 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,639 a small move, I'm not quite sure where I see it's coming from. 534 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,159 Where where I see it coming from? Either, because yeah, like you 535 00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:08,079 could move the Derek Jones expiring, I think that's going to be an upgrade. 536 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,400 Like they're at this weird intermediary point where they're on the rise with some 537 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:21,039 intriguing young players and also some older veterans, and they're so like the key 538 00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:25,639 players are pretty entrenched because ultimately, like you're pretty set at four positions, 539 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,159 and then you also have Alex Crusoe filling a number of different roles. I 540 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,039 just I struggle to see them getting anything more than like an eighth or ninth 541 00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,079 man in the rotation, which is important if you want to make a run. 542 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:43,320 That's why I think I think the framework is Troy Brown Jr's five point 543 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,159 two million dollars buyer Sally plus stuff. And that's where Tory Craig is interesting. 544 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:53,000 I think Craig is the name I'm gravitating towards most. His defensive energy 545 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:58,719 feels like it would really fit with the high motors that we see from Javonte 546 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,199 Green and Alex Caruso and Lonzo Ball on that end of the floor, Like 547 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:07,159 that would be a fun defensive rotation. He also offers some stuff in transition 548 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:14,320 where Lonzo Ball loves to play in transition that could work pretty nicely. He's 549 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,639 not enough of a shooter to really thrive with this team on offense, which 550 00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:22,880 already has half court limitations. But when you're down that far in the in 551 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,559 the lineup, you're you're not expecting a perfect fit. I don't think next 552 00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,920 team, Cleveland Cavaliers, I have three sets of players for them totally five 553 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,239 players. They are just they need perimeter offense basically just some there. Justin 554 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,559 Holiday was it was a recurring name here, and then britt Forbes was even 555 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,320 just you need Colin Sexon's out the rest of the year. You need someone 556 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,960 to come in and just microwave score. Britan Forbes is so cheap those I 557 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,320 just think your names don't even need to discuss where if you can get them, 558 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,239 if they're not going to cost you, even a Jetty Osman, you 559 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,199 do it. The medium size quarter god Jetty Osman, I believe it is 560 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,199 his full name. Now. The medium sized guy I have is a Carous 561 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,199 Lavert as someone who is gonna put downhill pressure on the rim theoretically can create 562 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,400 his own shot. And I think he can give you, you know, 563 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,360 because I don't know what he costs. You. Are you willing to give 564 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,599 up Ricky Rubio plus stuff for Caris Lavert when Lavert has been so off I 565 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,920 know Rubio has been important to the Calves. I might consider it just because 566 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,199 of what they need offensively, and I think Lavert as point guard lineups can 567 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:28,480 work, and he's making He's cheap enough next year where it's not prohibitive to 568 00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,599 have him and Colin Sexton Junior on the roster. That's called context and Junior 569 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:37,239 for no reasons. I have no idea why where it's not prohibitive to resign 570 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,679 Colin Sexton and keep Lavert on the roster at the same time. So he 571 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,400 was my medium sized guy. It's just it's tougher to actually construct the medium 572 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,360 trade because unless you're going to give up Jetty Osman, which he's kind of 573 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,480 important, if push comes to Chovey's the way better shooter than carous Lavert, 574 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,880 you have to go to the Ricky Rubio route. And then even if you're 575 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,320 willing to give up Osman, you're not trading a Korro for carous Lavert, 576 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,119 and so it gets really hard to get up to the Vert's salary. The 577 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:07,079 two all are in plays I had brandon Ingram and the thought process here was 578 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:15,239 you offer every pick and prospect you basically can without including Alan Mobile or Darius 579 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,119 Garland, like those are the guys who were off limits. Coorl's not off 580 00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:21,480 limits in that trade. If New Orleans decides to start selling I don't know 581 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,320 that. I actually, I actually don't hate it for Cleveland obviously the other 582 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,519 one and this was the longest similar lines. But let's say Portland decides to 583 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,039 rebuild. I know people have pointed out Damian Lillard. I saw trades where 584 00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:35,239 the cows were getting Damian Lillard without giving up Darius Garland. It's not happening. 585 00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,840 Would you just go through this with me? I would you wouldn't? 586 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,440 Is that what you're gonna say. I'm just saying, if you give up, 587 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,079 you're keeping all your core guys, but you're getting CJ. McCollum. 588 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,679 And it's probably mean to use Kevin Love as the salary basis here, So 589 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,920 it would just be cruel if the trade into Portland and that's when CJ mccollm's 590 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,440 leaving and they're rebuilding around Dame. But you can also go the Ricky Rubio 591 00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:04,480 plus others, like if it's O and Okoro and Filler to get CJ McCollum, 592 00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:08,119 and Portland's just looking to rebuild and they view Isaac Okorro as okay, 593 00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:10,079 you know what this is? Fine, Like, we have a defensive ring 594 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:15,400 now around Dame. We're planning for the future. My basic premise here is 595 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,920 if you can get CJ. McCollum without giving up any one core to your 596 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,239 existence right now, or too many picks. Maybe you're not even giving up 597 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,559 a pick if you're giving up a Cooro, our hazard. Mccllum's way too 598 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,480 important for Portland to them to think like that. The premise here, again 599 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,039 is the Blazers have decided to rebuild, but they're not necessarily trading game. 600 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,679 Maybe they've decided to try and rebuild a round game, which I do think 601 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,880 is a path not enough people are considering. That's on the table. Is 602 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,000 No, they're not trying to trade McCollum for a star or other players for 603 00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:45,960 a star. It's we are rebuilding, but we're also trying to do so 604 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,880 a round game in a semi expedited fashion. I want this to happen so 605 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,400 badly now. I had not considered that possibility before, But Darius Garland, 606 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,519 CJ McCollum, Evan Mobley and Jared Allen. If you can't build a contending 607 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:05,480 team around that quartet, and you just shouldn't be working in an NBA front 608 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,719 office, and it's I'm curious. I think some of the hang ups are 609 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,159 I would trade Ocoro for McCullum personally, given how good the Cavs have been 610 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,119 Colin Sexton, I would move, and he fits with Portland's timeline in the 611 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,000 sense that he's not playing again this season all of a sudden, Now he 612 00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,519 needs to get paid though, and you kind of enter this weird cycle where 613 00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:28,800 it's all right, we've paid McCullum, traded him, we've paid Paddle, 614 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,360 we have Dame, or we're gonna pay Sexton two. So is there a 615 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,320 third team involved? Are you keeping Sexton because he becomes super fluous with I 616 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,519 don't think you need to come Sexton here. I'm just saying, would Portland 617 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,760 be interested in him? And that's why I could necessitate a third team. 618 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,079 But if the basis is Sexton Ocoro and maybe a pick and then salary filler, 619 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,840 whatever it is, I'm considering it if I'm Cleveland, because I do 620 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,079 think a full strength McCullum is an upgrade over Sexton. I mean, that's 621 00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:59,119 actually tough to say. They're probably I think it's close to them people realize. 622 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,480 But McCullum, the exception of this season, like his offense, has 623 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,559 proven to be playoff proof. Yeah, and I'm not sure that Sexton elevates 624 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,079 those around him yet. I enjoy watching him play, but like, I 625 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:15,880 don't know, I feel like we've read enough stories about his mentality and seeing 626 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,679 kind of the put the head down, I'm gonna go get my points mentality 627 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,599 and play that. I don't know how much of a superfluity it is so 628 00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:30,280 much as like an unnecessary piece, just different connotations there. I mean, 629 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:35,960 in theory, just because Rubio is making seventeen point eight and Okoro's at six 630 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,199 point seven, you're I think you can take back CJ with that. So 631 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,719 if it's those two end picks, you can keep Sexton and to have him 632 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,920 come off the bench behind McCollum and a Garland, that's something that you could 633 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,039 look at, not something I would be if he's if he accepts that role. 634 00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:53,679 I mean, he's a restrictive free agent, so his leverage would be 635 00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:57,679 minimal in that situation. But yeah, I definitely I hear that. So 636 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,039 the Cabs were interesting because they've been so good year. I know it's just 637 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:04,719 year one of Mobley, but there's also like Garland's going to be extension eligible 638 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,239 this summer. Section's a restricted free agent. You've paid Allan. There's a 639 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,320 little bit of urgency there, especially again when you've been so competent this year, 640 00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:17,079 and Evan Mobley alone just changes the calculus a lot because he's so good 641 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,360 in so many ways at this age, with this experience level, like the 642 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,079 fact that we don't have any idea what his ceiling is going to be because 643 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,079 he's just looked that good as a rookie just opens the door for so many 644 00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:35,559 more moves of that nature, which is why trading for someone like McCollum is 645 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:39,239 not necessarily tethering yourself to the middle because Mobley and even Garland, those are 646 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:45,239 two impact players now, but also these huge swing pieces. Also, let's 647 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,679 not discount Jared Allen, who's just been phenomenal. This leveled up his offense 648 00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,000 for sure. So that would just be something I'd look at if I'm Cleveland 649 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,440 Detroit and so this is the team that I want to mention where I just 650 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,679 would rather teams like this take flyers on these younger guys. Is the issue 651 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,440 with Detroit is unless they're trading Jeremy Grant and I'm look, they're not gonna 652 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,239 trade Kate Cunningham. We know that they're not going to trade to Deep Bay. 653 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,119 They're just not in a position to like get good stuff back, and 654 00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:14,360 so I would trade Jeremy Grant if I'm them, assuming they could still get 655 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,800 a first round pick and a prospect for him. I think his value peaked 656 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,679 and we've seen him struggle this year and the team spoil this for a Western 657 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:24,599 Gardens one ive Jeremy Grant is a target for Memphis. And so if you're 658 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:28,880 looking at the Grizzlies, can you get a Zay Williams out of them in 659 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,119 addition to a pick? Can you get a Brandon Clark or an Xavier Tillman 660 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,280 senior? Those two have just Brendon Clark has now averaged more minutes per game 661 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,679 than Xavier Tillman Senior over the past couple of weeks. So like, those 662 00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:43,039 are the higher end names you get the other ones I had, I say 663 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,559 higher end, Like that's just I'm not thinking they are the package for Jeremy 664 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,280 Grant. But if you're using Jeremy Grant in a Memphis trade target, you 665 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,679 know, definitely their best prospect not named Desmond Bay And I don't consider Jared 666 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:58,079 Jackson junior Grant prospects anymore. And then one of those flyer bigs and can 667 00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,440 you get one of you know they have Utah's pick this year, can get 668 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,599 that out of it or Memphis his own. I also had a lot to 669 00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,000 go Canchar from Denver just as a winning to take a flyer on. I 670 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,679 have Nikkil Alexander Walker. I don't know what the Pelicans would be willing to 671 00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:14,400 give him up for. He's been rocky, but I actually think he might 672 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,960 be a better fit alongside Kaide than a Killian Hayes, Jared Colver. I'm 673 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,559 just gonna name all Memphis players. He's good salary matching, but like, 674 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,119 let's give Jared Colver minutes one more chance for Jarreed Colver. You're not really 675 00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:29,239 playing Josh Jackson as much. One don't want him to go to Wade Baldwin. 676 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,800 We're out, is what you're saying. And the deeper cut here alas 677 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,519 a Johnson, I feel like he could be fun on this team if you're 678 00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,480 gonna give him playing time. I figured you wouldn't have much pushback there unless 679 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:43,199 you have thoughts on the Jeremy Grant to Memphis idea. But like people are 680 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:46,800 gonna tell Detroit to sell, they don't really they have Jeremy Grant. And 681 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,159 is any team gonna be hot after Kelly Olynick when he's been banked up this 682 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,679 year too. I could see them getting something from for Kelly Olynick, and 683 00:44:54,679 --> 00:45:00,239 then you probably are trying to float like Trey Lyles, Rodney McGruder, Cory 684 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,880 Joseph to see if you can get even a protected second for them or something. 685 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,480 I think that's the most likely route for this team is just seeing what 686 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:12,800 it can get. It probably doesn't have to be any sort of specific target 687 00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:17,639 so much as just calling other front offices and floating these names and just seeing 688 00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:22,119 what is offered back, because you're not far enough along in a rebuild that 689 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:28,079 you have a direction. So Kaid Cunningham is an amorphous enough player that you 690 00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:30,639 don't need to tether him to any specific archetype. So if you want to 691 00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:35,559 take that shot on Jared Culver, then you do it. If you want 692 00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,000 to take a shot on Alisa Johnson, you do it whoever you like. 693 00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:42,880 As a front office, if their names come up, you just fight and 694 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,679 hope that you find something. I will just say, like, they haven't 695 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:49,239 done a good Roddy mcgruders in net negative, they haven't even done a good 696 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:54,239 job of building up Hammadudiala, who's been playing fairly well offensively over his past 697 00:45:54,280 --> 00:46:00,320 ten games or so. Just they haven't done enough with those on the Argins 698 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,079 players to build them up to where you could say, oh, a team 699 00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:05,400 would definitely give us a second round pick or any of the names aside from 700 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,320 the Memphis names for them. So, but that's just where Detroit is. 701 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,239 I would like to see them get any one of those guys, and I 702 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,760 could definitely come up with others, but I stopped myself at seven. So 703 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,800 interasonable you want to just skip past the next one because I don't. I 704 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,960 don't think they're that relevant. Yeah, So Indiana is interesting because there's the 705 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,480 report that they want to blow it up. They can't trade Malcolm Brogden right 706 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:29,800 now. You're not going to trade TJ McConnell, who might be done for 707 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,599 the year. I don't know who would want him. I'd be intrigued. 708 00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,719 There was the report in The Athlete that said t J and Warren wants to 709 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,519 stay in Indiana. He's entering free agency. We don't know when he's gonna 710 00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:42,440 come back from his injury. His timetable has been like pushed and pushed or 711 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,599 hush hushed. Is there a team that would be Willing. I'd probably keep 712 00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:47,519 him just because what I'm saying is there might be a team that's like, 713 00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:50,840 oh, the idea of TJ. Warren, especially if he comes back this 714 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,679 season. They're not giving you a bunch of stuff for him, and his 715 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,599 market is now probably deflated enough entering free agency where you could keep him. 716 00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:01,519 So you're really looking at Holiday, Tory, Crag Sabonis, Miles Turner. 717 00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:07,199 And that's what I wanted to ask you about this team before getting into names, 718 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,360 is like, who do you think actually and Caraslavert excuse me, Jeremy 719 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,760 Lamb, as well as on expiring, who are the names that you expect 720 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,840 to be moved from this group this year? I don't know that I anticipate 721 00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,559 that much beyond a Turner deal, And it just it kind of feels like 722 00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:29,559 it's time. We've talked about the Miles Turner to Montes Sabonis pairing since about 723 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,920 ten years before it was formed. It feels like at this point so it's 724 00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,719 it's beyond time for something to just happen, if only to free Miles Turner 725 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,719 from the incessant trade rumors. I don't know if you saw the story about 726 00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:46,719 an Indiana based reporter whose name I cannot remember, apparently like asked Turner about 727 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,880 his thoughts on his name coming up, and his response was like, you 728 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,880 must be new here, like it's been happening for years, Like it's it's 729 00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:00,039 time. I expect him to be moved, just because I think with this 730 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,679 report, where there's smoke, there's fire, But I don't think it's a 731 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,960 raging inferno. Because the Pacers are better than their record has indicated. The 732 00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:15,159 underlying metrics all point towards positive regression during the remainder of this season. They 733 00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:22,960 have enough veterans who are soon to get healthy hopefully, who are going to 734 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:28,239 contribute at higher levels. They still have an absolute full fledged All Star and 735 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:34,000 Sabonus another fringe one in Malcolm Brogden. They have reasonable veterans around them. 736 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,199 This is not a team that is positioned to just embark on this full blown 737 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,280 garage sale, nor is it an organization that has ever shown a predilection for 738 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:51,559 going that route. Because the Pacers have tried to skirt the fringes of contention 739 00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:58,039 and rebuilding for roughly forever, so I don't really see any major moves beyond 740 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,440 whatever Turner blockbuster, which hopefully results in him wearing a Charlotte Hornet's uniform. 741 00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:07,079 Yeah, And the thing to remember about he and Sabonis they're both twenty five. 742 00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,880 So if the Pacers aren't angling for like this half decade rebuild, you 743 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,880 can certainly keep one of them. And because Sabonis is this good offensive hub. 744 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,840 And I think what I've seen from the Pacers this year one I feel 745 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,679 like on a game, in the game basis, they can be unrecognizable when 746 00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,119 you look at how they play, but this year Rick Carlisles tried to sort 747 00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:30,960 of really spread it, like the front court usage around and Sabonis is averaging 748 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,440 much fewer touches. Turners complaining about his touches, but they've done stuff in 749 00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,320 games where he's not just necessarily spotting up. And then you also have Lavert 750 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,800 and Rogged in that factor into that. I would think Lavert and Turner are 751 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,400 the players that I'm looking to move this season. And then of course Jeremy 752 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,199 Lamb, Tory Craig, Justin Holliday. Those are guys that are if you're 753 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,280 looking to rebuild, those are guys that I would move as well. So 754 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,119 the names I have for the Pacers are just either not higher end youngsters, 755 00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:00,800 but maybe distressed youngsters or just complete unknowns. And I don't even know if 756 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,559 they fit into the model of you know, these are teams that would want 757 00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,960 any of the players I'm willing to offer, but the names I have listed 758 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,840 are I'm not accepting any except PJ. Washington just as a cave yat I 759 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,960 was good. So he's on the list, but like that's only in a 760 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,000 Turner trade that you're gonna get him. I have Peyton Pritchard because you know, 761 00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,719 I have to put a Caucasian point guard as Indie's target, one of 762 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,800 Indie's targets. But I really do if Peyton Pritchard, Kobe White, Kilexander 763 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,119 Walker, and I thought too was just like a how deep into the rebuilder 764 00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,599 You're going like, let's get key On Johnson here, because if the Clippers 765 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,000 they could really use I know he was just a first round pick, but 766 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:38,800 like, if you're gonna send out carros Lavert, what is the bare minimum 767 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,400 you're willing to accept? And if they can get the salary matching with Keyan 768 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,000 Johnson and other stuff, I don't think that's enough. But Caros Lavert would 769 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,320 be a really good fit for the Clippers without Kauai anyway, and so those 770 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,559 are just names there. I could come up with a ton That's what makes 771 00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:55,440 these should be rebuilding squad's a lot different. I don't know how you get 772 00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:00,480 Kobe White from Chicago. Is it an instance where they're giving you Kobe plus 773 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:05,119 all this salary and you're literally sending out all your wings. Maybe it's TJ 774 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,199 Warren they want to take the flyer on him, Tory Craig and Justin Holliday. 775 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,119 Or do they want Carol Slavert even though they have Zach Lavine and Dmard 776 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,920 Rosen and Lonzo Ball already. I don't know, so I don't necessarily know 777 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,800 the path to getting these Maybe it's a three teamer, But if you're a 778 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,800 team that wants to rebuild without having this long restructuring period, you need to 779 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,880 take these swings where maybe these players could pan out into something semi immediately with 780 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,360 a bigger role. And that's why I was thinking Alexander Walker, Kobe White, 781 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,079 Peyton Pritchard, and I recognize that Alexander Walker was given a larger role 782 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:42,280 this season, and also that Peyton Pritchard had a great summer. League has 783 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,280 not had a good regular season, so I recognize that these are distressed assets, 784 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,519 but that was my thought process here. I really don't think there's an 785 00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:51,159 answer for Indiana though, because we don't actually know what they're looking for. 786 00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:53,679 What there was going to be My follow up question is like, you know, 787 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,000 the names are great, but like, what is the target here? 788 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,079 Do they turn around Aaron Fox? And when? Now? Is that something 789 00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:05,920 they consider? I don't know. Are you looking to contend right now? 790 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,960 Are you looking to go on a bigger rebuild? If you're looking to rebuild 791 00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:15,199 at what positions are you looking to improve? Because other than Sabonis and maybe 792 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,960 Brockden, like, you don't have all stars on this team, So what 793 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,480 direction are you going? Because there are so many to choose from. It 794 00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:27,599 feels like Indiana is the great mystery box because anything could happen there and you 795 00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:31,679 could you could justify basically any move with this team, Like if they if 796 00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:38,360 they get wind that a legitimate star is available for Sabonis, If Portland comes 797 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,440 calling you and it's like, hey, we'd like to give you Damian Lillard 798 00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:46,559 in a deal centered around Sabonis, You're going to hear them out. Yeah, 799 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:50,480 And the other thing is historically. Look at what they did with Paul 800 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,199 George and even Victor Oladipo when they got Charis Lavert back. They've prioritized when 801 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,920 selling off what are supposed to be the better players, even though it's clear 802 00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:01,440 Lavert than all the depot at the time of that trade, given all the 803 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:07,280 Deepo's injury history, They've prioritized bringing guys who can help them tread water and 804 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,559 then get to launch a little more quickly. And so I know the report 805 00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:15,119 said that Herb Simon at age where is the eighty seven is more open to 806 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,800 a rebuild. Now, that does not if you're eighty seven, I wouldn't 807 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,599 think that that makes any sense. Even whether you want to keep the team 808 00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:23,440 or sell the team, it doesn't make any sense to agree. So I 809 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,800 found that to be a little bit curious. But without knowing what they're gonna 810 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,559 do, this was just a borderline and possible exercise. I do. I 811 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,039 don't know where you land on this. I do think it's time for a 812 00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,199 shakeup. I'm not saying you need to take a stick of dynamite to the 813 00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,119 whole thing. I'm fine if you want to keep sibonus brogged in Duarte and 814 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,199 kind of, you know, rejigger around that Core. I get it, 815 00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:49,800 but I would Turner Lavert and then the guys holiday Tory Craig on the margins. 816 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,719 I'm absolutely looking at moving them, and at the same time, I 817 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,159 understand if they don't. I get it. If you're just making the Turner 818 00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:00,280 move for another win now piece and you think that that kind of shake up 819 00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:02,719 gets you deeper into the Eastern Conference playoffs, and you're willing to do that, 820 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,360 I think that's feasible as well, which is what makes this an impossible 821 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,880 team. Moving on to the Heat, they're in a similar situation to Brooklyn 822 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,119 to where Jimmy Butler, bam Adebayo, and Kyle Lowry not getting moved. 823 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,039 I thought about maybe they'd be willing to trade Duncan Robinson. He has been 824 00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:24,239 ice cold of for him. That selling a shooter who can't shoot right. 825 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,119 And when you don't have all these picks to attach, what are you gonna 826 00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:30,480 do with Duncan Robinson? Are you gonna That's not fair? The Heat still 827 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,519 have their twenty eighty three first round pick. They were fine a second round 828 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,320 pick. Pat Riley was shocked to learn that there were such a thing as 829 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,519 second round picks that were still in the heats possession. So I just assumed 830 00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:44,599 that Duncan Robson is probably not gonna be trading. Also, he's still important 831 00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,639 the idea of him, and so you're gonna have to sell low. I 832 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:51,960 can't imagine that they would want to do that. I also am just writing 833 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,599 off PJ. Tucker because he's been pretty important for them, and Tyler Hero 834 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,760 has been great for them. You're not trading Hero. Yeah, Now when 835 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,199 you go through after those times, if we assume they're not going to trade 836 00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:05,480 any of their six highest paid players, their seventh highest paid player is Kazyakpala 837 00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:07,760 at a whopping one point eight million, and so their bench has actually been 838 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,360 good this year. A big part of that has been I don't know how 839 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,760 they got Caleb Martin on a two way. Max Drews has worked out for 840 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,679 them, Gave Vincent has come along. I just think they could use like 841 00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:21,880 due to could play the three in the four, especially Mark Kieth Morris. 842 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,719 I don't even know has he I think he was nearing a return. Has 843 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:30,239 he played yet since he was shoved by I don't think he has either. 844 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,039 I'll check really quick so I'm not saying he won't play again, but yeah, 845 00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,239 he has not played still. So those are the bodies I thought off. 846 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,360 And the two names I just came up with is they're cheap, They're 847 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:43,960 gonna cost two players, and then I guess something depending on what one or 848 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,239 two players. But Daniel House and ken Rich Williams were the names that I 849 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,039 came up with. They're cheap, guys can play and defend multiple positions. 850 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,239 I don't know if you're gonna do better than that if you're the heat, 851 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:57,440 unless you trade one of your more integral players, and I just don't know. 852 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,079 It's not going to happen. You're not trading your top three. I 853 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:01,679 don't know what and who are you now attaching to Tyler Hero to get anyone 854 00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:05,920 who's gonna better than Tyler Hero for you? And then what does Robinson or 855 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,880 Tucker what do you parlay them into when you're just not sitting on this cache 856 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:15,199 at first round picks attach nothing happens here. Who would you prefer of those 857 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,679 two for Miami? Probably ken Ridge Williams, right, probably so, just 858 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,719 because I love him so much and I think he deserves a bigger opportunity. 859 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,960 Not that he'd really get one in Miami, but at least his minutes might 860 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,559 matter if they traded for him before bam Adebayo comes back because they are playing 861 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,800 has gotten some minutes with Dwayne Dedman there, so and Williams can play the 862 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,199 five, is my point there. We could go right on to the Milwaukee 863 00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:39,159 Bucks. They're a similarly limited team, but if you're willing to give up 864 00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:44,000 Dante de Vincenzo, who hasn't returned from injury, you do have the the 865 00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:47,119 mid tier salary of a George Hill on this roster, and then you could 866 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,719 be willing to give up Book Lopez with knowing Jannis how well he plays in 867 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,599 loan big lineups, how well Bobby Portis has played for you as well. 868 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,840 The names I have written down, I don't know who you necessarily have to 869 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,239 give up, so that the higher end one is Harrison Barnes. If you 870 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,840 want to give up Brook Lopez and Sacramental leaning into a rebuild because Brook Lopez 871 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,760 is you know, either a third team he gets involved there. Harrison Barnes 872 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,440 will be great for this really fun fit with this Bucks team, the shock 873 00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:16,320 creation ability in the half court would be huge. Just giving yourself another option, 874 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,199 especially come playoff time. I really like that fit. This guy shouldn't 875 00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:22,719 cost too much, but his salary is so high that I couldn't figure out 876 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,320 a real way to get him, but I wanted to list him. That 877 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,360 he is young, just the fourteen million dollars price point is tough. I 878 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,880 don't know would you give up Brook Lopez for that he is young. I 879 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,440 don't think I would. The back injuries pre sinister, but that is Young's 880 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,440 in an expiring contract, and like that is young, and that is young 881 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:42,679 also doesn't space the floor as well as even a PJ. Tucker, and 882 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,239 so I don't think I would, just because Brooke getting healthy is too key 883 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:51,599 for this team. So ultimately you need him to be able to contribute, 884 00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:53,679 So you would need to be in a three for one situation. And even 885 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,440 that is tough, because why would you give up Dante DiVincenzo even though you 886 00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:01,480 have Grayson Allen? I thought he would be somewhat. I think it's more 887 00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:06,920 reasonable to give him up now because Pat Connaughton has been good enough and Grayson 888 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,639 Allen has taken legitimate strides forward that you can view him as more of a 889 00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:15,159 luxury item, especially because Jannis handles the ball because Chris Middleton can be a 890 00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:19,440 go to wing scorer, because you have Drew Holiday, like I do think 891 00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:24,039 that the emergence of those two has been significant enough that you can bear it 892 00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:28,320 apart with him. The issue you run into with him, though, is 893 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,440 so if you use Dante Devencenzo and George Hill, you still need two of 894 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:35,280 your other players because you can't. You shouldn't move Grayson Allen, and he's 895 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,000 also signed extension to the poison pill provision and we've already said we wouldn't move 896 00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:42,840 brook Lopez, So just I listened to him because I liked him. There. 897 00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,800 Robert Covington's a little bit cheaper, and so it'd be easier to step 898 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,119 out of your way to a three for one with him if you're able to 899 00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:54,320 give up Devincenzo. I don't like to fit. Covington is like a little 900 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,599 bit of a fake three indo you guy, right, Like the three ball 901 00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:04,119 isn't quite always there and the defense is more situational where he thrives in these 902 00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:08,760 off ball settings and can struggle at times against the point of attack. You 903 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:14,480 already have that in Yannis, who is not the world's greatest isolation defender and 904 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,840 thrives is that free safety. I don't think that you can maximize Covington's skill 905 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:23,079 set on this team. I think you can because you have Drew Jannis and 906 00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,960 then even Chris Middleton to where they're not going to be asking him to do 907 00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:31,559 the same stuff as as Portland is. And then in lineups where Yannie isn't 908 00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:36,719 playing Portis and Covington in the front court where maybe Drew Holiday isn't that lineup 909 00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,679 as well. I think I think it's enough of an overlap that you're even 910 00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:44,320 if it's not his skills, you're limiting. You're limiting someone else's to maximize 911 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,639 him. I just don't love to fit the last two names I have. 912 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,519 One is probably easier to get, you'd be trying to reboot his stock. 913 00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:53,320 But Jamichael Green, the idea of him been bad this year, but he 914 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:58,239 would definitely work for Yoka just spoke up for him the other night. Joki 915 00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:00,159 is a good teammate, though that's not a bride. And then this, 916 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,119 I don't know what it would take for Dallas to think about it, like 917 01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:07,280 maybe there's another move happening where they're just worried about long term health. I 918 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:13,559 would love Maxi Kleiba in Milwaukee. I thought you're about to suggest Chris stops 919 01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,480 there. For a second, I was like, how is how is this 920 01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:19,679 going to happen? Yes, Cleban would be a good fit. Underrated defender 921 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,000 goods, good floor spacing, shooter can play the five. I think that 922 01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:27,400 makes sense there. Now that being said, in all reality, Milwaukee's probably 923 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,079 looking at a Daniel House or Kenrick Williams type situation. We don't even know 924 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,159 if they have enough assets to get them, but you might have to look 925 01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:37,639 that cheaply because it's so hard to get into salary matching trades. Harrison Barnes 926 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,559 would be amazing, though Everson Barnes is the ideal fit here. Yeah, 927 01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:44,920 and Eric Gordon. I thought about two if you're willing to give up brook 928 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,480 Lopez. I don't know why Houston would want brook Lopez, But if they 929 01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:52,159 really liked Dante Devincenzo, I don't know that I would give up deven Cenzo 930 01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:57,280 for Gordon. Oh I would. I wouldn't hearteat Gordon is so good. 931 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,880 I guess the price point next year, I get it. But with Devencenzo, 932 01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:01,480 I guess Gordon doesn't have the cleanest help they'll either, I would think 933 01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:06,000 about it. I guess giving up both Lopez and Devincenzo you need to get 934 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,239 Harrison Barnes back. If I give you another ten minutes, you're gonna fully 935 01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:13,039 talk yourself out of it. Fair enough, I did catch ship from Bucks 936 01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:15,920 fans by I think I suggested it was Devincenzo, Brook, Lopez and something 937 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,199 else last year for Harrison Barnes, and they gave me a bunch of shit 938 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,800 for it. Maybe they all do so again. The name that's gonna be 939 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,800 my strategy on the Western Conference if I just like hype up every single team's 940 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,480 players and just rule all of them untouchable. Do you think I'll just get 941 01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:37,599 all of the Twitter love. Maybe you also post like three second clips and 942 01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:42,039 say this guy has improved his pick and roll decision making and it's just one 943 01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:45,079 highlight that lasts like two and a half seconds, and they'll go viral and 944 01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:51,159 and you'll be set. So the Knicks are next up? I don't I 945 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:52,519 don't even know people are gonna say it should be. I don't know what 946 01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:55,519 they should do. I think they should probably lean towards selling the names I 947 01:01:55,559 --> 01:02:00,599 have listed now go with me on this. Josh Hard was one. I 948 01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:04,880 think that they need someone else other than RJ. Barrett who is going to 949 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,840 be versatile and a net positive on defense and cover. Heart's going to give 950 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,119 you a wider range of assignments than RJ. Barrett because I think he's better 951 01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:16,719 than Barrett at covering bigger players. Even though I believe Barrett is taller at 952 01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:22,280 six to seven than Heart is, he doesn't hit enough of his threes necessarily 953 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,880 be an asset at that end. But again I'm looking at I feel like 954 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,360 they don't have enough players who are even really good at one thing. They 955 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,239 don't have enough two way players period, but they don't have enough players aside 956 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,199 from Randall, who's just really good at one thing. And Randall has been 957 01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:37,840 all over the place this year. So I just thought of Josh Hart because 958 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,280 maybe you give up a lower level pick if New Orleans is willing to take 959 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,400 back one of your cruddy contracts. I also could talk myself in a New 960 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,360 Orleans actually needing Kemba. So if it's Kemba and an asset for Heart, 961 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,559 and you might have to include a smaller salary in there, but maybe Kemba 962 01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:54,280 a smaller asset and then a pick for Josh Hart. I don't know if 963 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,800 that gets done. Now, if there was a team that I think should 964 01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,599 buy low or buy it at all to dunk the Robinson, it would be 965 01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:05,039 this. It would be the Knicks, because Evan Fournier is not Miami's willing 966 01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:10,119 to sell low. Well, I'm just saying yes, absolutely, And I 967 01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:14,079 don't think you're trading Alec Burks in that scenario. Who are they going to 968 01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:16,760 be interested in among your other middle Land guys. In theory, it could 969 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,639 be Evan Fournier, just as someone who handles the ball more. But I 970 01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:22,960 think we've seen that, at least in New York, the idea of Evan 971 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:29,079 Fournier is a lot better than actual Evan Fournier. I just I can't bring 972 01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:31,800 my bring myself to get hyped up about the idea of you know what, 973 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,800 the Knicks should be the team that tries to go in all in Ford Aaron 974 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,960 Fox, or they should try and push for Damian Lillard trade. Some people 975 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,920 have floaded the idea of it being CJ McCullum. I just don't CJ. 976 01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:45,519 McCullum and Julius Randall and RJ. Barrett. Where does that get? I 977 01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:51,360 just don't know what to make of this team. Honestly. It the fact 978 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:58,880 that Kemba panned out that poorly just significantly alters the fortunes of this team because 979 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,039 now you're trying to to squeeze Alec Burke's in at point guard and keep Derek 980 01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:05,800 Rose coming off the bench. But RJ. Barrett has struggled to progress on 981 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:10,280 offense and Fortyer as you said, the idea has been better than the actual 982 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,719 player, and Julius Randall has been all over and Nerland Joel can't stay healthy, 983 01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:18,840 and Mitchell Robinson is sometimes coming off the bench now and has lacked conditioning 984 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,960 and all that jazz. So it's like, I just I have no idea 985 01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:29,159 what this team is. And that's troubling. And it also makes the idea 986 01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:38,679 of trading an even riskier proposition because you're selling diminished assets and trying to force 987 01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:43,400 a fit back because this team is not going to be entering or rebuild. 988 01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:50,719 It can't, so you're trying to find an immediate contributor alongside struggling players who 989 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:56,000 then have to figure out chemistry with a new primary player. And it's just 990 01:04:56,119 --> 01:05:00,920 it's a baffling situation. It's really tough. We wrapped my head around and 991 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,320 that's why it was tough to come up with targets for them. I know 992 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,559 Miles Turners become a popular name among Knicks fans on Twitter. The trades that 993 01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:13,440 I've seen floated are terrible. They're in atrocity. When it comes to trade 994 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,960 suggestions, it's basically been kemba, a salary, a young player like Knox 995 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,960 that the Knicks don't even want, and a terrible first round pick for Miles 996 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,320 Turner. I just don't know what they have to give up. They look 997 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,079 they have quickly, they have topping. Those are guys that I don't consider. 998 01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:32,039 They also have their picks from this year, like a a Deuce McBride, 999 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,480 Grimes, Quentin Grimes. So there are I think there are moves that 1000 01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:40,880 they could make. So for Josh Hart, it body needs to be a 1001 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,199 salary, Like if you could, if you could get off Evan Fournier. 1002 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,159 What if New Orleans that we're going to eat Evan Fournier, you give us 1003 01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:49,519 two first and one of your rookies from this season, Quentin Grimes, So 1004 01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:56,039 you're not shot, by the way, what's that? Nothing? So I'm 1005 01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:59,239 just I don't even I don't think New Orleans would even necessarily do that, 1006 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,320 but I think they have options. I just don't know. I don't know 1007 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,280 how to fix this team, is my point, because they need they need 1008 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:10,800 so many things that you've also you've tied yourself to a core built around Julius 1009 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:15,360 Randall, where unless RJ. Barrett explodes and stays like at the mountaintop. 1010 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,679 And I'm not ruling it out because I tend to be higher on RJ. 1011 01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,360 Barrett now than the consensus, even though I might have been lower on him. 1012 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,480 I wouldn't say that the consensus, but I was not encouraged by his 1013 01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:30,039 rookie season at all. Like what Julius Randall is even your first as your 1014 01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:33,360 first best player, You're not maybe a mid end playoff team as your second 1015 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,719 best player who needs to be your first best player for you to be a 1016 01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:40,679 contender. And I don't see that type of first best player out there. 1017 01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:43,559 I don't even think it would be game if he was available. And so 1018 01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:45,519 that's where you run into issues. That's what makes the squad so tough to 1019 01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:51,000 wrap your head around leading into the trade deadline. Right there with you key 1020 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,159 if they decide to sell, I think they could get something nice for Alec 1021 01:06:55,199 --> 01:06:57,960 Burks, who has been by and large fantastic this year. Yeah, they 1022 01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:01,800 could definitely get like a back end first round pick or some sort of intriguing 1023 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,880 young player, but nothing that's going to change the trajectory of this season. 1024 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:11,119 I don't think the Orlando Magic or Net next and I have them in Detroit 1025 01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:15,440 Pistons territory where they probably have some more interesting players to trade than just a 1026 01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:19,119 Jeremy Grant in Detroit. But Terrence Ross has not shot the ball well this 1027 01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:23,920 season. How much are you getting from Obamba? Are you willing to trade 1028 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,760 Jonathan Isaac while he's injured or recovering from injury. Same from markl Foltz. 1029 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,559 So I just have sort of stab in the dark perimeter. Younger distressed assets 1030 01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:36,880 here are unplayed guys. I have Lonnie Walker, the fourth Josh Green in 1031 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,639 Dallas. Sorry, I thought you said distressed assets, not just bad assets. 1032 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,639 Yeah, line, but in theory, at least Linnie Walker is someone 1033 01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:46,679 who's going to generate his own shot. You have col Anthony Jalen Suggs who 1034 01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:49,559 do that. Novis on your in Orlando team that has a bunch of guys 1035 01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:53,719 who can create their own shot. Josh Green, I don't even know what 1036 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,159 he should. Deechinitely look like the fact they can't see the floor in Dallas 1037 01:07:56,239 --> 01:08:00,760 might be a red flag, But Josh Green, Jalen McDaniels someone who intrigues 1038 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,800 me a little bit. And then Troy Brown Junior as the you know, 1039 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,800 if the Bulls want, they're trying to build a package and for some reason 1040 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,440 get Terrence rossback. Are they trying to trade from Obama's the backup? Big 1041 01:08:11,679 --> 01:08:14,440 Troy Brown is not getting you that alone, I would like to be clear. 1042 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,279 But if he's the part of the salary that you're sending out, I 1043 01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:20,199 don't You can come up with different names, but this team is just like, 1044 01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:24,800 I don't know what they do. They have been They're starting lineup when 1045 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,319 Jelen Sugg has been healthy and he doesn't even play well, mashing opponents and 1046 01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,439 Franz Wagner, Cole Anthony so Wendell Carter Junior has been a joy to watch 1047 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,279 this season. So I don't think the Magic car I don't want to say 1048 01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:38,560 the Pistons are hopeless either. They have Kaid Cunningham. The Magic are more 1049 01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,479 fun to watch right now. I think the Magic are so far from hopeless 1050 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,960 because they have so many intriguing pieces, some of whom are already breaking out. 1051 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,119 Like col Anthony has been great for a while now, friends, Wagner 1052 01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:50,079 has been so much more advanced than we could have imagined as a rookie. 1053 01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:55,000 Carter has been good. You have Isaac and Folks coming back, You have 1054 01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:58,840 j Suggs coming back eventually. They have a lot of options for growth. 1055 01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:03,840 I wouldn't mind like a consolidation trade in some ways because they do have probably 1056 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:09,720 too many options that they have to prioritize development for. Actually, and I 1057 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:14,720 actually really like either of the McDaniels has a target here because both have been 1058 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:23,880 underperforming, but both are reasonable fits who have enough potential to McDaniels Jayalen and 1059 01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,359 Jaden. I should clarify, it's been a while since I've heard kJ McDaniels' 1060 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,000 name. I wonder what he's up to now. I caved hard for him 1061 01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:31,600 that not that did not thrown out. Well, the thing let's say about 1062 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:35,640 Jaren's ross for for Jalen McDaniels could be interesting. I could see both teams 1063 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,800 getting behind that kind of idea. Are you talking, he said, Jalen, 1064 01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:45,279 Jalen, Who else is Charlotte sending out in that? I guess I 1065 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,640 have no idea, not specifics, but I do think that the idea of 1066 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:56,720 Ross, if his shot returns, is a good fit in Charlotte and McDaniels 1067 01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,840 is an intriguing piece at more of a position and of need than the backcourt 1068 01:10:01,159 --> 01:10:05,159 because you do have so many options there. Once Mark hell Folds is healthy 1069 01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:10,199 again, like, let's not even forget about RJ Hampton. I like RJA 1070 01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:12,640 Hampton. He is there's a smoothness to his game, even when it doesn't 1071 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:17,199 translate to efficiency. I will say the Magic aren't built for that consolidation trade 1072 01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:19,760 that you talk about, just because Folds and Isaac aren't on the table. 1073 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,119 And then who wants Gary Harris at twenty million unless you're taking back a bad 1074 01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:27,560 contract? And again, even Ross, are you getting a second round pick 1075 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:29,720 for him right now? I would say yes, you're definitely not getting a 1076 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,600 first though with the way that he is shot the ball this year, No, 1077 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,880 you're definitely not, which is why I think you go for another upside 1078 01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,159 play. And so this isn't us shitting on the Magic so much as saying 1079 01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:45,079 they would complimenting them at all. Have an interesting trade assets table is what 1080 01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:48,640 we're getting at. That's awesome. Mobamba would be the name, because you've 1081 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,760 extended model Carson, you're not. I just don't know what you could get 1082 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:57,680 for him, Philadelphia. So I'm not going into the Ben Simmons trade realm 1083 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,199 because I don't think he's gonna get traded this season. And I'm all are 1084 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,560 just like we know the players they want, and I can't even come up 1085 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,760 with a creative name that maybe Philly would would think about. You don't need 1086 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:11,680 Pascal Siakam when you have a Joel Embiid there. I don't even think with 1087 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,039 Toronto will give up Fred van Fleet in a Ben Simmons trade. I don't 1088 01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:16,840 think that they would. And then Philly would probably say if that's not enough. 1089 01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:20,359 So I'm more so looking at, Okay, who can they get without 1090 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:25,000 moving Ben Simmons, And then you have to look at players they still aren't 1091 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,840 going to move. You're not trading Embiid, you're not trading Tobias Harris, 1092 01:11:29,039 --> 01:11:31,359 and then all of a sudden you have you're not trading Seth Curry. Now 1093 01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:35,439 all of a sudden, you're not trading Maxie unless it's a you know, 1094 01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,960 Ben Simmons and Maxie in a Damian Lillard trade, because I don't think you're 1095 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,159 getting You need to attach stuff. But that's my point is so and you 1096 01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,000 just don't have a ton of expendable salary matching. I think Danny Green comes 1097 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,560 closest. I'm not even moving him ten million dollars a year with a non 1098 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,560 guaranteed salary for next season. I like what he does. Even George n 1099 01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,000 Yang has given you some big minutes firk On Krk Miles was playing better, 1100 01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,159 fallen off a little bit like you have a bunch of these guys in a 1101 01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:05,520 shake Milton in a firk On Coors, Mos or Niang who are not playing 1102 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,159 these huge roles, but they've done well for you. So I just have 1103 01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:13,680 guys these are more so flyers who deep in the rotation, and I also 1104 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,680 fill these offense. I think in the playoffs they'll definitely need some more jet 1105 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,319 fuel in the half court, but they haven't needed it so far. But 1106 01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:25,199 the names I have these are not splashy. I have justin holiday because I'm 1107 01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:29,439 just gonna name him for every single team. Apparently I have this one here 1108 01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,079 we go two deep not deep cuts Malik Monk, and I'm going in reverse 1109 01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:35,159 order right now. I don't know if the Lakers would trade Malik Monk, 1110 01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:38,840 but he's cheap enough to where if they did decide to move him and they 1111 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,279 need to clear up a roster spot as part of another trade, or they 1112 01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:45,319 want to sign someone off the buyout market, Malik Monk. I think he 1113 01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,720 gives you some extra shock creation. But again, you have Maxie, you 1114 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,000 have Milton, you have Harris. Do you need Malik Monk in the playoffs? 1115 01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:53,319 Maybe? Probably not. I don't know. This is the name that 1116 01:12:53,359 --> 01:12:57,800 excites me. Are you ready? I'm ready? O'she Brissette. This is 1117 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:02,319 this is the guy deep cut. He can defend so many different positions. 1118 01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,000 He's not going to give you a whole ton on offense, but he has 1119 01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:09,960 hit his threes at a decent clip this year. Philly's been off defensively. 1120 01:13:10,039 --> 01:13:12,560 I know a lot of that is Joel Embi just missed time, but they 1121 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,359 miss time and not been at full strength. When he hasn't missed time, 1122 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,319 well, he's been amazing defensively when he's been on the court, fantastic, 1123 01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:23,079 but still not at full strength. As he admitted himself after the game before 1124 01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:26,399 we're recording this, and I think when you look at some of their other 1125 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,319 like like Matisse Tibel, how many minutes can you play him without him hurting 1126 01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:36,319 you on offense? So well, zero seems a little mean, but I 1127 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,520 get what you mean. You need to kind I don't know that Prost's going 1128 01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,199 to do enough on offense to play as many minutes as Tyble, but you 1129 01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:47,079 just need to kind of fill smaller gaps. And he's so cheap, he's 1130 01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:49,479 younger. I don't know what the Pacers want for him, because they should 1131 01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,319 be playing him more, and maybe they'll open up minutes for him with some 1132 01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:56,279 of their trades. That's just what I came up with because I'm not even 1133 01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,680 maybe you trade Danny Green, but for who Danny Green and what to get 1134 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,479 who? I just you know, Harrison Barnes isn't enough of a wing for 1135 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:09,000 this roster. I'm just I'm not kind of a loss there. Eric Gordon 1136 01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:11,880 would be super nice for them, that's the name I thought about, but 1137 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,399 to get to his salary, it's just even Danny Green, you still need 1138 01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:17,000 to come up with like another four or five million from there, and so 1139 01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:19,239 it just gets a little difficult. And I don't know if I want to 1140 01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:23,880 give up Danny Green because he's going to give you more of a positional spectrum 1141 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,800 on defense than Eric Gordon, who, by the way, been great this 1142 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,800 season, was good last season, but he also got injured last season like 1143 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,760 so many other seasons before that, so his health is obviously concerned. I 1144 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,800 don't have much to add. I feel like it just about says it all 1145 01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:40,319 that we're talking about O shape or set as the name that excites you for 1146 01:14:40,359 --> 01:14:44,560 this team. I think there are names, and a friend of the podcast, 1147 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,840 Brian to Porrek, could definitely he'll if I asked him for somebody'd probably 1148 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:53,199 spit out fifty of the non Ben Simmons trade variety. But this is just 1149 01:14:53,319 --> 01:14:57,359 there. I can't to me if I'm keeping Danny Green and Seth Curry. 1150 01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,960 You can't get too creative with the sixth was basically right right there with you. 1151 01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:02,680 Although I would say Brissette was at least a creative name. It was 1152 01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:09,880 creative, it's just also telling I just want usually exclusive concepts. Fair enough. 1153 01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,920 This is second to last team here, the Toronto Raptors. I don't 1154 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,840 know what to do with them because they don't seem like if I was. 1155 01:15:18,079 --> 01:15:21,479 If I were them, I would definitely go in on a big or a 1156 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,720 wing type guy who's going to help elevate your defense, maybe give you a 1157 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,520 little bit more offensive creation. But they're the type of team that if they're 1158 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,359 not contending, I would argue they'll either stam pat or they might get rid 1159 01:15:33,359 --> 01:15:39,399 of don't get anything for him, so they can in certain traits that I 1160 01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:44,880 came up with for Rashaun Holmes, so bonus or this is one that it 1161 01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,880 doesn't fix their center need, but I'm a I'm a fan of it. 1162 01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:53,560 Derek White for this team, I can see that as kind of that that 1163 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:58,319 bigger off guard who can play alongside Van Fleet. And they already have Gary 1164 01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:00,399 Trent Jr. Who's defended really well and just to be really good in general 1165 01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:04,119 this year. If I'm trading for Derek White, it's you want if the 1166 01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:10,760 Spurs want mal Kai Flynn, if they want Delano Banton and picks plus going 1167 01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,640 on draga. Okay, I'm not trading, I'm not. My point is 1168 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,840 I'm not trading Garry Tren Junior for Derek White at this point. So I 1169 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:23,159 looked at this as an opportunistic package of if the Spurs want to get off 1170 01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:25,800 of White's contract, they could actually use going on drags. By the way, 1171 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,560 they're not trying to. Their offense just needs someone like him if he's 1172 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,199 willing to play for them. But that that was what I was thinking with 1173 01:16:31,239 --> 01:16:34,359 Derek White, Sabonis and what's your package there, because that's the one that 1174 01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:40,840 really intrigues me. And I assume you're including Siakam for Sabonis. You're not. 1175 01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:44,279 No, no, no, no, you have that's the one where 1176 01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:46,039 you can look at. Okay, one of the pacers want. Gary tren 1177 01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:49,680 Junior is the filler because he's young and what he feels if they don't Draga 1178 01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,439 gives them capital leief. So you have like ready made salary filler there. 1179 01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:59,119 You you have Delano Banton, you have you have mal Kai Flynn. Still 1180 01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:00,960 you're not trading, so okay, let me go with this. I'm not 1181 01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:06,279 trading o Gianna Nobi, Scottie Barnes or Fred van Fleetter Pascal Siakam for some 1182 01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:12,720 bonus. It's the pacers want picks. We have we have the salary matching 1183 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,760 fire to do it. And look, we also have mal Kai Flynn. 1184 01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:17,199 You don't want an Abby Who's I think I have listed for a few Western 1185 01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:19,840 Conference teams. He's good, but he's not an expiring contract. He's not 1186 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,399 that young. We have mal Kai Flynn, you have Delano Banton, who's 1187 01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,840 been a nice surprise this year. I doubt anyone's gonna be super interested in 1188 01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,520 Precious to Chua. But it's those lower level youngsters plus picks, plus this 1189 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:36,079 huge expiring contract that maybe who could be intriguing. And he's an expiring contract 1190 01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:40,479 the same as Will ken Burge isn't expiring anymore. He's at least cheap. 1191 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,359 So those are the names I came up with. Now, if you're the 1192 01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,520 Raptors to wrap them up, are you doing anything this season? Are you 1193 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,880 buying, selling? Standing Pat? What's the move? I think you're standing 1194 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:55,479 Pat right now, just continuing to see what you have in Scottie Barnes, 1195 01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:00,640 seeing how he fits alongside the established pieces, before you make a big scale 1196 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,319 move that would that would push the timetable up. I think I'm with you 1197 01:18:04,359 --> 01:18:09,520 because I thought about Turner for this team since they do need some defensive pizzazz. 1198 01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:12,680 He's not gonna do enough against the bigs that you're worried about, and 1199 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,720 Bed be honest, Sabonis definitely isn't gonna enough defensively again against them, even 1200 01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:21,640 though he does kind of. I really like his fit there offensively, and 1201 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,880 I do. I'd be curious to see how he and Siakam fit together just 1202 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,000 defensively. Plus you do have guys in the perimeter who can help cover up 1203 01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:32,439 Mashaun Holmes. I like because he does give you real rim protection and I 1204 01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,399 think he's a if you have Siakham handling the ball or on the perimeter, 1205 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,640 and Scottie Barnes is shot well for mid range this year and he's in starting 1206 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,840 to hit threes, there's there's just something to the Holmes. I think he 1207 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,039 would nudge your defense in the right direction without defining it, and he might 1208 01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:49,760 be the maybe he's the middle ground where I think the package I came up 1209 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:55,840 with for him was you gave up Delano Banton, Malachai Flynn, or maybe 1210 01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,600 it was Delano Banton, precious Achiuwa and a first round pick and then there 1211 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:00,680 were Sally s Filler in there. I don't know if the Kings do that, 1212 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:05,439 but that does That's an intriguing proposal though, Yeah, I'd be there 1213 01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:09,479 for that. I'm with you that they would probably stand pat. The final 1214 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:14,960 team is the Washington Wizards, who I feel like they really need guard help 1215 01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:19,800 this year. There they've had a fairly good season, but there's something off 1216 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,600 about the offense. Part of that is Bradley Beale has not been up to 1217 01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,840 snuff. Spencer Dinwood, he has definitely not been up to snuff. So 1218 01:19:27,119 --> 01:19:30,960 I constructed these three names with that in mind. I have Eric Gordon, 1219 01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:35,000 and there's what can you attach to Davis Berton's a salary to get him from 1220 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:39,960 Houston if they're not willing to soak up that type of long term money. 1221 01:19:40,279 --> 01:19:45,640 Washington does have the expiring contract of Thomas Bryant, but that's on the tinier 1222 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,760 end at eight point seven, So who else would you be moving there? 1223 01:19:48,039 --> 01:19:51,479 That might be an unrealistic name. I also have Alec Burke's listed for this 1224 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,760 team, and just go with me as someone coming off the bench. Maybe 1225 01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,319 perhaps you don't want him, You definitely don't want him starting for Spencer ability 1226 01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,239 Kem Walker in Washington, I feel like maybe he's someone who could help their 1227 01:20:02,279 --> 01:20:08,159 offense. I feel like he's just too toasted to to make a big impact 1228 01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:11,760 there he is not. I hate it. I hate it because he was 1229 01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:16,319 one of my absolute favorite players of all time to watch in college and I've 1230 01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:20,399 regrooted for him throughout his career. But he's just he looks done. I 1231 01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:25,399 don't think he looks as done as people think. There's definitely a rollercoasterness to 1232 01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:30,000 the way he's played. I'm just not I don't think he was as bad 1233 01:20:30,039 --> 01:20:30,680 as people made him out to be, and I think we're seeing with the 1234 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:35,039 Knicks he was not the problem. He was definitely was not the problem. 1235 01:20:35,119 --> 01:20:40,680 But I kind of agree with the Knicks and that I probably rather have Burks 1236 01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:45,479 right now. But if you just if you can just get Kevil Walker, 1237 01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:48,239 you're not trying it out. If you're Washington, I mean you have Maybe 1238 01:20:48,279 --> 01:20:51,920 the Knicks want Thomas Burton's at this point, if they maybe they're getting rid 1239 01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,920 of Mitchell Robinson. If they're giving him to me, then sure, I'll 1240 01:20:55,960 --> 01:21:00,399 try it out. I guess the issue is who you're not giving up KCP 1241 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,520 or Kuzma for KEMBA. I don't know why the Knicks would want Thomas Bryant 1242 01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:08,680 for Kemba, even though they're salaries aligned perfectly so it would be hard to 1243 01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,520 step out of the salary there. But I think Kemba would be an interesting 1244 01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:18,800 fit for Washington. Interesting, yes, successful, probably not rude. That 1245 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:23,199 does it for this. We went longer as per usual than we expected, 1246 01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:25,840 but I don't think we were actually asked that much Twitter. I don't think 1247 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,560 yeah, yeah, I don't like that. I can't see how long this 1248 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,199 I should really time the easily. We had a lot of catching up before 1249 01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:33,279 we started recording, so I think that that might be throwing off our sense 1250 01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:36,119 of time. 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Until next 1264 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,520 time, we'll leave you to shout out to the one, the only. 1265 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,479 He was not a preferred trade target of any of the teams that I named, 1266 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:42,359 but maybe he will be on the next podcast. Frank Nila Kina