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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, May Aids, twenty twenty three.
I'm Sean the Fort Shop Forker. He's vans Nesbit. That's good old
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much so, unchecked and uncensored. And as we talked about we'll actually we
wouldn't talk about it. We hinted out it. I think last week,
Vans, we were going to be having this very special show. Are Ron
Anonymous story? Vans? Why don't you tell us a little bit about how
this came to be so we could just get right on into it. Henry
may absent tonight, folks. Sorry, don't have him with us, but
I hope he's doing well. Just needs a little break apparently. Yeah,
well quite possibly, and he may join us in a little while. We'll
see, Yeah, Ron Anonymous. Look, the show is entitled Ron Anonymous
for a reason. Ron is an individual that I've known personally, and we
go with Ron Anonymous for the fact that he has taken over the years an
understanding of how certain groups in the Sasquatch community can kind of get a little
bit belligerent with each other, and he really didn't want to be involved in
that aspect, so he didn't want really anybody to come at him for any
of his experience. But I find, you know myself, knowing Ron for
the amount of years that I've known him, I completely understand that. So
this is why the show was titled Ron Anonymous. But I'll give you a
little bit of a background as to how it came about this individual, and
we'll go from there with what his personal encounter is. Now. Ron originally
was going to do the show with myself and possibly Sean and Baker and Henry.
However, I had recently purchased a new handheld device, and so far
I have found eight of my context did not transfer over to my new device.
I do not know Ron's personal address, and he has since retired from
the business in which I've known him from, so I really didn't have a
way to get in contact with him again. However, he did share with
me three separate times his personal story that I could share with the Sasquatch experience.
So I'll back up from the very beginning and at least reiterate what his
story is, and then, of course, if you two have questions,
and if Henry shows up and ask questions, or any of our listeners have
questions, please I will answer to the best of my ability without any embellishment.
The company in which I work for currently for the last twenty five years,
the cornerstone of the business is building high density, high impact wooden crates
for very sensitive machinery that goes from equipment for nuclear power plants to aviation equipment
to basic spraining equipment. These are sensitive pieces of material, and so our
company builds high impact crates so that they can take a lot of beating without
damaging the product. And I have dealt with company that Ron works for for
a number of years, at least twelve years, and I got to know
Ron, you know, just as a common acquaintance because he would receive the
product in which I'm bringing him from the company that manufactures these crates. And
you know, he's a very nice individual and I kind of like to talk
to him, and he had mentioned to me shortly after Sean asked me,
Sean Forker asked me to join the Sasquatch Experience. Shortly after that, I
visited Ron at his business and he was preparing to retire, but he was
going on vacation and he says to me, yeah, I'm not going to
be here next week. I'm going to taking a vacation to Stes Park in
Colorado with my wife. I'm like, oh, wow, that sounds great.
You're gonna go sasquatching. And he looked at me with this look of
astonishment. And I will never forget the look on his face that he was
given me. And he said to me, you believe in the Bigfoot thing.
I'm like, well, I mean, hey, I personally, there's
enough evidence out there that if it were a criminal trial, yeah, there
would be enough to convict on. There's lots of evidence out there. He's
like, you are the first person besides my wife that I've ever had a
conversation with that actually believes in the Bigfoot experience. I'm like, oh,
well, I take that flattering. I'm like why He's like, because I
had an experience. I'm like, okay, all bets are off at this
point. Now. In the warehouse where he worked, there's a couple of
benches, work benches, and benches that you would you do your paperwork on
or whatever packaging that you might do on. And I propped myself up on
the bench and and he asked me. He's like, do you have time?
I'm like, yeah, I'm looking at my watch. Of course,
you know at that time, the current employer that I have is since retired,
so I don't think he's going to come after me now for taking personal
time off the work clock to listen to a story, but just starting the
sas to watch experience with you guys. I'm all in. If somebody has
a story to did I just currently run across the golden idol of stories?
I want to know because sometimes we never know who's going to be the person
that actually finds the key to the answer to something. And I have no
idea what he's about to share with me, So I'm all in. So
I sit up on the bench and I'm like, yeah, I've got time.
Well, why what's going on? So Ron explains to me. He's
like, well, I can't believe that I've actually physically come in contact with
somebody that has this much interest in this subject. And he continued to explain
to me. The story that he shared was in nineteen sixty three. He's
an eight year old boy and he would go to his grandparents' farm in northern
central Wisconsin and they had a thousand acre farm up there, and he said,
you know, ever since he was barely able to walk till the age
of twelve, every summer he'd go to his grandparents farm and he'd spend the
summer there, and his parents would, you know, come and go whatever.
But you know, Graham and Grandpa were taking care of him and keeping
in mind. In nineteen sixty three, which you know, I'm not very
far behind that the culture was a lot different than it is today, and
his grandfather had bought him a twenty two long rifle rifle. Now, for
those of you I'm sure that are familiar with firearms, when I use the
word rifle twice, twenty two long rifle is actually the cartridge and you shoot
it out of a rifle. There are handguns that use a twenty two long
rifle cartridge out of a handgun. But for a kid, you got a
twenty too long rifle purchased by your grandfather. Now, my dad, in
that same timeframe taught me how to use his twelve gage shotgun. This was
a thing. It's not like it is today where, oh my god,
you know, the whole gun culture is being so bastardized. Going to high
school. When I went to high school, I could clearly remember off the
top of my head at least five, if not eight, pickup trucks in
the high school parking lot that had gun racks on the back window of the
pickup trucks with either a shotgun or a rifle, because hey, some of
the kids would go shooting after school, to go rabbit hunting, duck hunting,
just varmint hunting period in the forest lands around it. That was a
thing. It wasn't you know, oh my god, you showed up and
there's going to be a you know, a mass school shooting of some sort.
Yeah, the culture has changed and this isn't going to be a political
thing. That was the culture at the time. And as an eight year
old boy to be given a twenty too long rifle rifle, it wasn't sought
as something that was really unusual. That was just kind of how it was.
My dad bought me a twenty too long rifle. He brought my brothers
and myself pelt guns, so we would, you know, build snow forts
in the backyard and you know, have war with each other and if you
got shot in the eye, well that's your tough luck. You know,
that's it were kids, you know, that's what kind of made us who
we are today. You know, you just kind of take the brutal hits
as a kid, but you know that's why we're not the snowflakes of today.
So when Ron went to his grandparents farm, mind you, it's a
thousand acre farm and it was a common farm. So they were growing corn,
they had cattle, they had pigs and chickens. It was kind of
an all around type of farm. And yes, some of the product in
which they produced was sellable on the market, and that's how they sustained the
farm. And Ron stayed. You know, his grandfather also bought him a
pair of the mudding boots. And I knew exactly what he was talking about
because I had a pair too when I was a kid. You put these
boots on as a little kid and made you look like you had ginormous feet,
but it was what it was in the day. They're not. They're
nothing like boots that he can today with the gel insert cushion and they're all
comfortable and water proof. No, these were just mucking boots, you know,
and that's what they were. And he specifically said they made his feet
look huge, but you know, so so be it. And he'd have
his twenty too long rifle and he'd go varmit shooting on the property. And
on the back side of the property, he said, there's a creek,
but not a creek that you and I would probably call a creek. He
said, it really isn't a creek, but it's not quite a river what
you'd call something, you know, the definition between a creek and a river.
That's there's kind of a gray line there. But he said it's pretty
sizable waterway that went through the back side of the property and it would go
from treed areas in forest land, you know, along this creek way.
And he stated he went to the back of property to go shoot bunnies,
go shoot birds or whatever. Because he's an eight year old kid, you're
the superhero of the day. You've got a firearm, you can take down
anything. You're the badass. And that's how he's going out there with this
attitude, and he's getting closer to the creek along the back side of the
property. And what he describes to me three different times describing this story over
two year period of time. He's always described this exactly the same way.
He said, he came across a human barefoot print in the mud that was
ginormous to him, and he said it with five toes and you know,
had the heel, the entire structure of a human footprint, only ginormous.
And that's the word that he used, was ginormous. And he was stunned
as a kid. This is nineteen sixty three. He stunned as a kid.
What is this? He's trying to ascertain anything that he doesn't know about,
but does know about, what would have caused a footprint like this near
the banks of this creek. Now, he did describe the mud in which
this print was in. He's like, man, he said this so many
times to me. He's like, it was not a wet mud. It
was a soft, formidable mud that made such the clearest footprint in the mud.
And he's like, if I only knew now to know back then,
he wouldn't have altered it. But he took his boot. Now and when
he's telling me the story, he's like, you know, looking back on
it, that boot was probably from the toe of the boot to the heel
of boot about ten inches and he stepped inside the footprint to do a size
comparison, because he had no idea what he's looking at. He said,
his boot was dwarfed by the size of this footprint. And oh, there's
the train pooh, right on time. He said, his boot was dwarfed
by the size of this imprint in the mud. And again, you're an
eight year old kid. You know nothing about sasquatch. Nothing. This was
not in the lexicon of our culture at all in nineteen sixty three. It
just really was not. So he had no idea what he's looking at other
than the confusion of what kind of a giant could make a footprint this big?
And he stuck his boot, like I said, in the middle of
the footprint. And of course his biggest regret was that he didn't have plaster
of Paris. Of course, in nineteen sixty three, yeah, I was
a kid too. Now. I remember the sixties, Plaster of Paris was
a big thing. It was sold at every five and dime store that there
was. Plaster of Paris was sold everywhere because a lot of arts and crafts
were done with plaster in Paris. I remember as a kid going to my
mom's friend's house that had a house on Kangaroo Lake in Wisconsin, and we
as kids, you know, and I say we, you know, as
my brothers and myself, we go out on the beach on the sand and
grab the seashells and snail shells and we make these cool little imprints with our
hands, put the shells in there, and then pour plaster Paris in there
and make artwork to hang on a wall of our bedroom, and our mom,
you know, encourage that that was kind of a cool thing. Plaster
of Paris was a really big thing back then. This is Ron's biggest regret
because he didn't know what it is he's looking at. He's completely uneducated and
unfamiliar with what he's looking at. But what he said was after that footprint,
and he's completely confused. He stepped a number of steps away and saw
an opposite footprint away from the other footprint. And now as an adult,
he realizes the stride that this thing must have taken to make that second footprint
was incredible, and the second footprint was not as clear as the first footprint.
He said that mud sediment was further away from the bank, and that's
his biggest regret because he's like that would have probably been one hundred thousand dollars
footprint because there probably was dermal ridges imprinted in there, because it was that
type of mud consistency. It wasn't wet, but yet it was soft enough
to leave very great detail. And again he's a kid, he doesn't know.
But he sees a second footprint of the opposite footprint, and he's really
kind of freaked out at this point. And he finds the third one and
it's only half a print stepping into the creek, and he said, he
got scared. He didn't know, are there you know, human footed elephants
in there? He he knew nothing of what it is he's looking at.
So he continues on with the story that excuse me, that he was upset
and kind of scared as to what it is he's looking at, and made
his way back to the farmhouse, and he told his grandfather what he had
seen, and of course his grandfather kind of, you know, shrugged it
off in a laugh of him, you know, okay, it's your grandkid,
you know, are you taking something like this seriously? Since this is
not part of our culture. This is nothing that we've talked about none whatsoever.
And he tried to convince his grandfather. But remember back in those days,
in the sixties, he didn't have your quad runners, he didn't have
your four wheel gaiters, your John Dear vehicles to do any kind of land
management on your farm property to take a ride out there. And he's a
grandfather. He's not going to go walk that back property. And Ron came
to that realization as an adult. He didn't understand that as a kid,
but he took it as an understanding as an adult. That's probably why his
grandfather just shrugged the entire thing off to say, okay, it's a great
imagination and you know, okay, let's have dinner and blew the conversation up.
But it changed his life. He had no idea what he was looking
at, but it changed his life, and he wanted answers. And I
think that's very prominent to all of us that wouldn't want answers after seeing something
like that, what created it? I mean, if he saw a dinosaur
print, you'd want to know what's in the area. Now, Ron did
state that as a kid, and we've probably have all had experiences as a
child where you've had one experience, maybe a couple of experiences that get imprinted
on your brain, and those pictures just cannot be faded from your brain.
You have great detail and memory, and that's the impact that Ron said he
had. He says he can look in his head and still see those imprints
as fresh as the day that he saw them as an eight year old kid.
And I can relate to that. I had an experience with my parents
at that age that I will never forget that was very detail orientated. So
yeah, at any point did he have a visual sighting of what made the
footprints. Not at that time. That'll probably come on the second half of
this conversation, but let's fast forward and if I forgot any details on that
particular encounter. After he went back to the farmhouse whereas grandparents were at and
he did explain to his grandfather what he saw, and his grandfather kind of
pretty much blew it off and did not go to investigate or look into it.
And Ron said his grandfather never gave him an explanation as to what it
may have been. You know, all, well, we've got bears out
here, big cat. No, he didn't give him any kind of an
explanation other than just leaving it a blank page. And let your imagination fill
in the gaps from that. So let's move in four years. Well now
he's eleven years old. Wells, before we move on, it's almost time
for the break, so we can go after the break will finish up,
yep, and then we can hit some questions. Yeah, absolutely, all
right, all right, Bob, everybody stay tuned. We'll be right back.
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I'm sure you own that's right, Thank you? I do Vans we were
talking about Ron Anonymous's footprint. Fine before we went to break Bob the cheek
of our listeners had a comment epic footprint find nineteen sixty three was pre suburban
sprawl and ATVs probably more common then today. It would be great evidence so
rare today via hoaxes and crowded woodlands to find a print like that. Absolutely,
I think Bob's spot on with his assessment. As I posted in their
two Vans nineteen sixty three three Patterson film Bigfoot, really not on the brain
of folks right at that time, right, And it's a different place in
the mental perspective to put yourself in. And I'm just trying to the listeners
of the watchers, so they just have an idea about that bake or any
comment before we get into the second part of this. Well, I think
you make a valid point about the hoaxers and the guys who like to play
with you know. The thing is is you look at it that there's so
many sightings between before the Patterson gimmlin and before even the eighties that there weren't
you know, people just making stuff up. Yeah, there were some that
it wasn't like it is today or you have fourteen videos coming up an hour,
you know. So I think that that that would have been a really
important fine the fact that the fact that he specifically found that in the time
and has an idea, and it sounds like I haven't heard the rest of
the story, but four years later something else happened. So I mean that
it would be it's got to be that, you know, we lived when
we didn't live so digital and so crowded. We may have had more sightings,
you know, we would have had more evidence. But the problem was
is that back then they didn't see it as evidence. They just saw a
strange track and they're like, oh, okay, I'm gonna move on.
Yeah. Well, I'm happy to hear you say that, Bake, because
that's what ties into the four years later thing, is the mere fact that
at that time period, and I can attest to this, the school library
and the public library was really your only source of information. And like I
said, it's an eight year old kid. This definitely impacted him mentally to
the fact of wanting to know what it is he's looking at. He had
no clue. It's definitively a human footprint, but extremely large. So therefore,
it's abnormal. And when I was a kid, yeah, the public
library was a huge resource because this is pre internet, pre smartphone, pre
any kind of information. And he has stated to me, which I experienced
the same thing too. The only thing that he could find was the Tom
Slick expedition of the jetty and those footprints, which did not even resemble close
to what he saw, but he found a fascination in it when he went
through the Tom slickbook. But at that time, our public libraries, at
least where I grew up, did the same thing. They would continually have
these events at the public library, not school, but public library of local
TV news anchors that would come and do a presentation for the kids. You
would have kids story time, not drag queen story time, but you know,
story time by authors of the books that were written, and they would
share what the adults and the kids. And there was also movie night.
Four years later, he's eleven years old. Well that makes it nineteen sixty
seven, late nineteen sixty seven, and he sees the Patterson Gimblin film for
the first time, and he said he was shocked. He knew exactly And
this is him saying it to me. He knew exactly what that creature was,
but what he couldn't figure out was how did that creature travel from California
to central Wisconsin. That's what stumped him. He's eleven years old. He's
not putting biology into any of the equation here of a multiple population. He's
thinking, this is one creature that traveled from California all the way to north
central Wisconsin somehow. But he said when he saw that film, that changed
everything because when he looked at it, just like I did when I was
a kid, I knew what I was looking at was a real creature.
I can't say I have proof. I'm just giving you. And of course
we're looking at the original film that's shaky and jumpy and not stabilized. But
it was that impact that that film presented to him and to myself at the
same time when I first saw it on Creature Features in Chicago. Actually,
I don't know if it was Creature Feature. I believe it was Sven Gooli
show. Yeah, go ahead, just as you brought it up. A
question I have for you man, looking at these this recent are the recently
stabilized four K quality footage of the Patterson Ghiblin film. Seeing it today in
that format, does it change your perspective of the first time you've seen it,
You've seen it back way back when, like, does that added clarity
and stabilization change the feeling of it for you? I can't say that it's
changed the feeling because first impressions are hard to change. Sure, they really
are hard to change. If you eat something and you just don't like it,
you're never gonna eat it again. Even if you see it, you
just you still have the same opinion. So my opinion, seeing the original
unstabilized footage, I was convinced that this is a real creature. It helps
to see its stabilized because now we get a little bit more definitive definition.
But I can't say that it's changed my opinion, nor has it changed Ron's
opinion, because he's seen the stabilized, you know, version of it.
Also, that was my next question for you. Did you ever show Ron
the stabilized version? And now he came across it himself, you know,
Being that all these events happened, he's become more and more involved in doing
the research. So after he saw the PG film, he did come across
years later, I do not remember the name of the book, and I
don't know that he remembered the name of the book, but it was look
we look at Lauren Coleman. He was the original BFR. He wrote book
on you know, locations times of those locations of witness sightings. Lauren Coleman
was on top of it, but long before Matt Moneymaker was, and he
had the book and in the book he's looking at a map of these sightings
in the book, and where Ron had his footprint encounter was less than fifty
miles away from more a documented account in Lauren Coleman's book was and that was
completely fascinating to him. So now we're putting pieces together that it's very possible.
And of course you know in later years, Ron's going back over time
to look at how the forest land was developed. It was an expansive forest
land along these creeks between these farm fields that go through northern Wisconsin up to
the lack of Flambeaux forest reservations into the National Forest. There's billions of acres
of forest land that this thing could have moved through to come right up to
this property where he was at where he saw these footprints at but to have
something that Lauren Coleman documented in his book pretty much solidified what it was that
he saw and gives him a little bit more peace, if you want to
use that as a verb to say, Hey, I'm thinking this is something
that actually happened, because other people had this witness encounter and they testified that
to Lauren Coleman, and he documented it in his book. And that's pretty
fascinating within itself. But we can go years later when Royan originally told me,
like I stated to you at the beginning of this entire story, Yeah,
I'm going on vacation and I'm going to ST's Park out in Colorado with
his wife because he likes to frequent that area. So he proceeds to tell
me on that trip, when he came back from that trip, that he
was at a gas station feeling up his jeep and they were staying in a
hotel. They weren't camping, they were staying in a hotel, but he
would take the jeep and they would you go through sts and look at the
beautiful mountains. He says, We're at a gas station and I'm putting gas
in my truck and across the way a thousand yards away. There's small mountain
ridges right there in sts National Park, but it's not. And I know
exactly what he's talking about because I've been there too, just like you,
Sean, Not every mountain ridge is going to have a hiking trail on it.
These are just remote, unowned land. It's just part of the landscape.
Nobody owns it. There's no national park that owns it. There's no
hiking trails. And he says he's filling up his fuel tank on his jeep
and he just so happens to notice this large black bipedal thing. He didn't
say was a big foot. He just said it was a large black bipedople
thing walking across this low Ridge mountain line about a thousand yards away from him.
Now, he did state, ever, since his encounter is an eight
year old kid, he's going to bring whatever he has to bring with him
to get this if he ever sees it again. He wants proof. And
he said he had bought a fifteen hundred dollars Bushnell binoculars and you could see
birch shit in a crater of a moon with these binoculars. And I get
exactly what he's saying because I've looked through those things, you know, it
was in his jeep. He could not he didn't even think about getting those
binoculars to take a look at what he's watching walking across a ridge line at
Estes. But he did point it out to his wife who was there.
Do you see that she was confused. Now, she was a complete skeptic
to this day, she's a skeptic about his bigfoot stuff. But she loves
the man. She's not doubting him. But she couldn't figure out what this
thing was. And again, I'm only sharing the story. Is how Ron
shared it with me, is that he sees this thing. He's looking at
the side of the trees on the mountain ridge and this thing was very sizeable
to the trees that he's watching walk across the top of this and he's like,
there's no hiking trails up there. This is just a remote area.
That's yeah, it's beautiful to look at, but it's not designated for any
kind of hikers. And yet here he is putting fuel in his jeep and
he sees this thing, a black and he said, very much look like
a conical head. How many times have we seen a witness report where it
mentions a conical head. Now, a thousand yards is not really that close,
but you know what, you can still at a thousand yards, and
I know what a thousand yards looks like. You can still kind of make
out quite a bit of detail at a thousand yards. It sounds like a
lot, but it's really not. It's you're talking ten football fields away from
you. You'll still be able to identify something. And he did stay to
me several times over and over. This thing looked huge. Okay, well,
you can kind of identify how far you are from the mountain ridge the
size of the trees, and ask and he's like, if he were to
guess, because that's the best that he can do, because he did not
go up there to measure, But if he were to guess, he would
say at least eight to ten feet now vanced. He observed that from the
distance with the naked eye, not with the bush nails, right, correct.
Okay, I just wanted to clarify because you did say he had,
yes, But that's kind of my point of why didn't you get a picture
of it? Because you don't think to go get your phone, You don't
think to go get the binoculars. You don't want to take your eye off
of what it is that you're witnessing at that moment. And he attested to
all the Sasquatch shows that he's been listening to ever since all these things have
happened to him. He gets involved into listening, but he's not directly involved
in any groups because he just does not want to get scrutinized and he does
not want to have the spotlight put on him. He's just interested in getting
information. And he said to me how many times he's heard witness report,
Well, why didn't you get a picture of it? Because you don't think
of it at the time. You're witnessing something, You're gonna witness it with
your eyes, and you don't want to take your eyes off of it.
What led him? What led him to looking over in the direction? Did
he feel like some he was watching him or was it just total happens dance.
He just happened to look over, and you know, he didn't make
mention that anything was watching him. He said he was putting fuel in the
gas tank of his jeep and he happened to notice. And I believe that
was his verbatim statement was he happened to notice to look up and you know,
he's probably facing that mountain ridge where he's feeling is jeep up at and
happened to notice this, saying, walking across the ridge line on top of
the mountain, did he happen to get an estimate on the height or weight
or whatever was looking at him the object with the conical head, Well,
he felt that it was between eight to ten feet. Now that's a two
foot difference, but that was his gut reaction was And he did state his
wife said that's abnormally large for a person, but she left it as it's
possibly a hike. But he did state it was entirely black from head to
toe, face, legs, arms, everything was black. It was all
unison colored. And he's like, I don't know that somebody would have a
backpack on or a hoodie or in jeans that are all the same color right
down to the hands, that you'd be wearing black gloves, black coat,
black hoodie, black backpack, black jeans, black shoes. He said,
the thing was entirely unison in color. Any questions, big, No,
I mean, the story's pretty solid. I mean, it's it seems like
he has something that's specifically that some reason he's either drawn to the creature or
the creatures drawn to him. But he seems to have a reasonable It's it's
hard to get a secondhand because it's kind of like when Sean reads a book
and then explains it to me. It's like, it's a good story,
but there's little details that I have questions on that you just don't know,
you know, because I can't you know, I can't you know, ask
him, you know. But like in general, like these stories kind of
match up with a lot of the stories get And I also want to shout
out to Coleman because Coleman takes a lot of flak now and then, but
honestly, when you look at the research he's done, the books he's written,
and the and the things he's done for the community, he is an
authority on that. So if you know, if he was learning some of
the stuff he did from watching what Coleman did, then at least he was
getting a big part of the good part of the information correctly, right.
And I will say that you know, prior to the SDS encounter, he
was doing a lot of research on his own, just personal because it's personal
to him, nobody else, and I am the first person that he's ever
met face to face that has an interest in this subject. So he immediately
embraced my enthusiasm with and I embraced his enthusiasm. And you know, he's
trying to come up with names as fast as he can. And that guy
that does the that that bigfoot show on TV, and I'm like, oh,
okay, there's a lot of them. Yeah, that Finding Bigfoot show
and and and that stuff that they showed, and yeah, I get it,
but I think a lot of it's bullshit because that's not what I experienced.
It's great to have that outside experiencer give me at least feedback to what
might be bs and what's not bus. I'm not seeing everything on that show
where it's BS, but I understand the enthusiasm of oh we heard this.
Would not that's definitely a bigfoot. No, maybe it's not. It might
be somebody out there just you know, ff and with your brain and hitting
the baseball bat against a tree looking for a big foot. Also, and
you don't know that they're in the area looking for a big foot. It's
possible. So he's very skeptical about the evidence that he sees on these television
shows, and I get it. But he had great respect for Lauren Coleman
because he read all the Lauren Coleman books, whether it's Bigfoot related or anything
cryptozologically related. Because he doesn't know where this footprints or the three footprints that
he saw came from. Maybe it's something else he didn't know at the time.
So he's looking into cryptozoology as a subject altogether for every type of entity
that might not be discovered yet. But he leaves that possibility to open.
So he gives you, Lauren Coleman a lot of credit in which I do
too. I mean, the first book I bought of Lauren Coleman was Cryptozoology
A through z. It gives you a chronological description of everything has been witnessed
or told about, whether it's folklore or just stories. Okay, he wrote
about it, puts it in the book, and now you can use it
as a dictionary. Well what comes close to this animal? Well let's go,
do you know the letter j Where do we come up with under the
letter ja? Oh? Lauren Coleman went ahead and did that, So I
do give a lot of kudos to Lauren for putting into that. And that's
why I said earlier in that book that Ron is referring to, it was
Lauren Coleman that actually started the report sightings of Bigfoot before the bfrro ever came
around. And yeah, the bfrro okay, they got a database to work
with now on the Internet, where Lauren Coleman didn't have that at the time.
All they could do it was documented into a book, publish it and
hope people would buy it and that would be their data source. But now
the BFR can add sightings on a daily basis if necessary, on an Internet
source. Oh, which, okay, that's great. I'm sure there's a
lot of sources on there that are very credible. There are probably a lot
on there that are just a bunch of you know, horse pockey, but
that doesn't matter, you know. So again, this isn't about Lauren Coleman.
This is about the fact that it's solidified with what he saw fifty mile
or less than fifty miles away from where he sees these footprints. Fifty miles
is not that far. It's really not that especially in a wilderness situation.
It's not that far away. And of course the closest home next to the
farm where he was staying in his grandparents place over the summer was a mile
and a half down the road. You're not going to just you know,
run next door to your neighbors and say, hey, did you know because
this is an expanse part of northern Central withconsin and I've been up there many
times. Yeah, You've got to drive a long way down the country road
to get to the next house. So it's such a remote area. And
at that time, you know, he did document a lot as he grew
up through the years into his twenties, thirties, and forties, because now
this is part of who it's become. After he's seen this stuff and is
taking interest in it and going to the library and researching, and then the
Internet comes about and he's getting more information and he's documenting. He's looking at
that region where he was out there as an eight year old kid with a
twenty two long rifle going. Yeah, it was very possible anything undiscovered could
have traveled and traversed through those lands for hundreds of miles without being detected.
Yeah, and he's not wrong. I mean, we talked about this this
morning, Bacon. I'man were out about the private lands and how much underdeveloped
land there really is out there, and how easy it is for something to
take up residence and reside in these places that are well off the grid,
well off in nowhere that you know, maybe for sale, but people don't
go out there, you know, but for you know, ships and giggles,
and you know, we talk about the frequency of these big foot sightings
and often compared to a needle in a haystack, with the needle that's always
moving exactly right right, and you know, a chance, you know,
you'll probably have a greater chance of being struck by lightning than you do of
seeing a big foot, right, I mean that's just a you know,
probably a real statistic, but I mean it's happening more often than not now
urban sprawl and you know, things that you know are really affecting the now
that we didn't have to worry about in the fifties and sixties, you know,
really creating a different environment for these beings to live in. Right,
So well, you know, you know, going back to when he's a
kid eight years old, he has no perspective on what he's what he's encountering.
Then he has that siting. How many years later with the easily we're
talking fifty some years later, right, Yeah, And in the interim,
he's had several years to kind of make up his own thoughts and do some
research, but nothing really concrete to experience or relate. And now all of
a sudden, he has that chance encounter of something that he experienced as you
know, just think about that mental image. If you can paint that picture
being a kid, you know, I can see it like a movie flashback,
you know. Man, he's sitting in his jeep fueling up and he
looks over in season. Then in his mind, if he just had those
that thought in his head of him seeing those as a kid, like,
could you imagine that cascade of emotion? And I'm glad you brought that up,
because he did. He did give me that testimony in his response that
what were the chances that he and he did stay to me. I want
to make this perfectly clear. He did stay to me that he didn't want
his experience as a kid to influence what he saw in ST's Park. He's
trying to separate those two desperately so that he's not oh well, that's definitely
a big foot because I saw footprints as a kid, he said, he
deliberately separated those two in his head because and the party words that Ron said
to me was he wants an answer before he dies. He's like, please,
whatever happens before my death, I want an answer. I'm like,
well, Ron, I can attest to a lot of us in this community
we're requesting the same thing. But I understand he just wants some validity personally
because he's not sharing this with the world. He's sharing this with himself.
And I get that he wants to know what he saw as a kid and
what he saw and as an adult. Can he get some validity before he
dies as is this real or not? Well? Pass along our thanks if
when you see Ron again for sharing the story with us, and again,
Vans were wrapping up to the top of the hour here, so I don't
want to get too far down the rabbit hole, Baker, any final questions
or comment you have for Vans regarding ron anonymous story, not really. I
just hope that we get a hold of him physically, that maybe we can
either get him to ask additional questions or that we can get a point where
he can add to the story so that we right you know, I just
don't really say that we use the term story as in fictional like that.
I meant. I meant the I see the story as news, not as
fiction. Okay, I'm clarifying for the listeners that this isn't a made up,
fabricated thing. Ron Anonymous is a real person who just prefers for his
own reason to be anonymous, and we were very fortunate that he was willing
to share this with Vans. So again, Vans pass along our thank you
well to Ron for this and perhaps if we have any questions, folks,
if you want to send any questions into us through our website or sasquatch Experience
dot com, same as with reporting you're fighting an encounter, info at sasquatch
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with them and get the answers back to us as we do a follow up
in a lot Anonymous something to think, I'd be happy to no I'd be
happy to do that, you know, Like I said, you know towards
the top of the show, he understands how this community can be. There's
so many different groups in this community. He understood that a lot of groups
are closely knit and very supportive of each other, and he knows there's other
groups that are just vicious and want to tear each other apart. He just
did not want to subject himself to being torn apart for something that he experienced
as a kid. And I completely understand that. So he kind of stepped
back, and this is his personal experience. We've all had a personal experience,
not cryptozologically related, that we're not going to share with the world because
you might get torn up hard. Bill. No, you didn't have Yeah,
I kind of did. I had that nightmare as a child. No,
you didn't. Vance We've talked about that many times in the show,
right that it's a very personal experience with your own sort of emotions. And
you know, again I used the word trauma, but your own traumas and
trep editions built into sharing it. We're just glad he did. Folks,
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