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Sailing up the wide gray Guadalaville River
on a spring day in fifteen thirty six,

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Ernando de Soto would have first glimped
Seville for the first time in years,

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over fifteen years since he had last
seen Spain. For him, I'm

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sure it was a beautiful sight.
Just twenty two years earlier, he had

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left this city as a no name
page. Now he was returning, at

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the age of thirty six, a
hero. For not only was he the

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most important captain from Peru to return
home since Hernando Pizzaro a year earlier,

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and one of the richest, carrying
one thousand pounds of gold, he also

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happened to be arriving at a singular
moment in Spanish history, when his countrymen

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were triumphant. As soto ship slowly
wound through the freshly panted fields of spring

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wheat, grapes and sartress south of
the city, everything seemed to be going

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right for the Spanish on the throne
sat an energeticiff already tired king Emperor who

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at thirty six dominated Europe as no
one had since Charlemagne, controlling scattered territories

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from Hungary to Germany to the Netherlands
and Italy to Spain. In the past

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five years, his soldiers in conquistadors
had humiliated his enemies the French in Milan

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and Venice, the Turks at Vienna, and conquered an immense new empire in

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the Indies. Within a decade,
Charles's luster would dim as his machiavellian maneuverings

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in Europe unraveled and he plunged into
a bloody, soul wrenching campaign against Christian

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reformers led by Martin Luther. But
for the moment, the Spanish were exultant.

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Sodo's friends later recalled that summer in
Saville as a flurry of tournaments,

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gambling and partying. In between all
the games, Sodo made efforts to attend

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to all the serious business of transitioning
from one conquest to the next. All

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of his gold was immediately impounded by
the Casa de Contraxion, Spain's effective ministry

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of New World conquest. This was
standard operating procedure in the sixteenth century.

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Men had to bribe and negotiate their
money back. For Sodo, this process

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seems to have gone smoothly. We
don't know exactly how much tax Soto paid,

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though it seems he was forced into
giving the crown alone amount unknown.

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This was also common practice in the
sixteenth century, as Charles the Fifth was

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always broke. Almost immediately after arriving
in Seville, Soto informed the Casa de

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Contraccion that he intended to ask Charles
for permission to carry out another conquest in

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the New World. Odds are the
Casa was thrilled with the prospect of more

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taxes, not to mention the bribes. Charles himself did not arrive in Seville

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for almost two years. The two
men met in fifteen thirty seven. Interestingly,

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they were nearly the exact same age. Apparently the Emperor was impressed with

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Soto, although we have no record
of the meeting. Evidence of Soto's success

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with the king came on April the
twentieth, when Charles issued the first of

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three documents providing Soto with permission to
conquer a new territory. Soto originally wanted

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permission to conquer what is today Columbia
or Guatemala instead, and somewhat shockingly,

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Charles granted Soto permission to invade a
territory about as far away in the Indies

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from that location as anyone thought you
could get. They called it La Florida.

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How exactly this happened, we're not
sure. However, it seems likely

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that Columbia and Guatemala had already been
seized by other conquistadors, and they were

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just off the table. Soto was
not the first to try to conquer North

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America. The Spanish crown had already
launched three separate expedition to seize what would

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become the United States. All had
ended in disaster. Ponce de Leon,

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the Fountain of Youth Guy was the
first. The most recent was Panphilo de

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Navarez, who was a veteran of
the Cuban conquest, but that had been

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a decade earlier. In fifteen twenty
seven, he landed in Tampa Bay,

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but disappeared without a trace in June
of fifteen twenty eight. Sodo signed his

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contract with the king on April twentieth, fifteen thirty seven, after weeks of

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haggling over how much tax Soda would
pay and whether or not he would be

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named governor for life in one major
concession, the King also appointed Sodo the

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governor of Cuba, which he planned
to use as a base of operations for

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his expedition. Now affairs were moving
on the other side of the world in

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a way that was going to have
dramatic consequences for Hernando de Soto in the

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future. During the summer of fifteen
thirty six, about the time Soda was

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partying in Seville, far across the
Ocean Sea in Mexico, Viceroy Antonio de

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Mendoza received a gaunt, heavily tattooed
medicine man would appeared one day to the

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north of the city. His name
was Alvar Nunez Cabasa de Vaca, former

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royal treasurer of the Navarez expedition,
which eight years earlier had disappeared without a

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trace in La Florida. Declaring Cabesa
de Vaca's survival a miracle, Mendoza provided

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the former treasurer with clothes and housing, and the following year a ship to

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convey him back across the sea,
where he arrived in Lisbon on August ninth,

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journeying soon after to Belladelidkabesa Devaca met
with King Charles and handed him a

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brief report on the fate of Navadres's
expedition. He also conferred with the king

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in private reportedly telling him about certain
secrets he told no one else. Of

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course, the very mention of secrets, combined with Kabesa Devaca's claims to have

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seen emeralds and gold, plunge the
court into a frenzy of speculation. Fresh

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rumors spread throughout the empire about the
fantastical riches hidden deep in the interior of

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La Florida. For Kabeesa Devaca,
however, his homecoming was not satisfying.

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Having returned to Spain hoping to get
Navadres' concession to La Florida, he was

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not pleased to find that another person
had beaten him to it for six years.

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It turned out, Gabasa de Vaca
and his compatriots had wandered across the

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borderlands between what is today Mexico and
the United States. It was during this

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period he developed a compassion for Native
Americans that was unheard of among Spaniards during

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this period. It was also during
this period that he began developing allusions of

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grandeur as to the wealth of the
region. For example, turquoise that Native

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Americans gave him he mistook for emeralds. Soto and others would give their lives

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chasing these illusions, and it's hard
for me distress just how important the timing

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of this all is. Just as
Soto is getting ready to move out to

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Laflori, someone claims to have inside
knowledge of all the wealth trapped within Now

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was Cabesa correct? Of course he
wasn't. There are no cities of gold

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and emeralds hidden within the American southeast, But none of that mattered because nobody

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knew that there was an old Mexico
before Cortez stumbled upon it. Nobody knew

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that there was an Inca empire before
Pizarro showed up. Many Europeans, and

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especially de Soto, very much believed
that there were more hidden wealthy empires out

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there for conquering. And what Cabeza
de Vaca's testimony does is dumps gasoline on

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an already burning fire. By the
fall of fifteen thirty seven, was consumed

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with preparing for his expedition. This
would prove to be one of the more

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expensive of the kunquistador eras the total
price tag came in just over one hundred

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and thirty thousand castellanos, which was
six times with the Spanish crown had spent

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on the most expensive expedition up to
that date. Thus, Sodo's expedition was,

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in fifteen thirty seven, the most
expensive unquistador action ever undertaken, at

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least at its outset. If chroniclers
are to be believed, Soda paid for

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it all himself out of pocket,
or nearly all of it. This would

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have been incredibly unusual. Normally,
one of the big banking houses based in

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or with offices in Seville fronted the
cash for these expeditions and also charged enormous

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interest rates. Perhaps that is what
Sodo sought to avoid by paying for his

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expedition out of pocket. By the
time he was done, Soto had purchased

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at least five large ships, accompanied
by several small, faster caravels designed for

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exploring inlets and up large rivers.
Sometime during the preparations, Soto named his

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lieutenants. These were capable men,
but crucially, they were also fiercely loyal.

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Sodo had learned a lot watching the
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He wanted a one, unified chain
of command, with himself undisputably at

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the top. Sodo undoubtedly went home
briefly to see his family before setting off,

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but We know next to nothing about
the time he spent there, and

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it's almost certain that both of his
parents were dead by then. On April

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the first, fifteen thirty eight,
Sodo ordered his men to muster at San

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Lucar, a village alongside the Guadalavia
River. On Sunday, April seventh,

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Sodo and his men, hurt mass
had a last feast of fresh food,

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and boarded their ships. Soto's Amada
was accompanied from San Lucar with another fleet

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of twenty large ships bound from Mexico. These were commanded by a different royal

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official. Soto, however, was
in overall command. Interestingly enough, disaster

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struck from the moment this fleet left
San Lucar the first night out by mistake,

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the other official ship actually went ahead
of the flagship which Soto was in.

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That's huge mistake in terms of naval
operations. The ships became confused,

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someone thought they were under attack,
and they opened fire on the ship that

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had overtaken the flagship. One of
the masts was knocked to the ground by

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a cannonball. Soto, when he
found out about it, was absolutely livid

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with the official who had allowed his
ship to go out of line. In

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fact, he ordered him to be
executed, only to calm down the next

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day and rescind the order. Soto
and his fleet stopped at the Canary Islands

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to resupply in late April fifteen thirty
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Canaries during this period. Then they
began to sail due west towards Cuba.

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Soto's fleet took nearly twice as long
as normal to cross the ocean. What

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people in this age still didn't totally
understand was how the Gulf Stream could work

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as a super highway to sort of
slingshot boats across the Atlantic. His men

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did not sight Cuba until early fifteen
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the men noted the cliffs that rim
the southern shore of Cuba. If

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the navigator's calculations in terms of latitude
and longitude were correct and the fleet had

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arrived where they were supposed to,
those on board should have seen a great

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gap in the cliffs ahead. This
was the narrow channel that leads into Santiago

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Bay, a protected harbor first discovered
by Columbus in fourteen ninety two. Nineteen

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years later, it had been conquered
by Diego de le Vesquees, who began

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his rule over what had been a
community of peaceful shell gatherers by enslaving them

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and killing most of them within months
of his arrival. Entering this treacherous channel

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had always been nerve racking, particularly
for a ship's pilot who had never been

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there before. At best, he
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Cautiously, the pilot, Alonzo Martine, would have lined up his ships,

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coming up slowly to a steep and
rocky headland to the right of the

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harbor's entrance, and the lower ridge
to the left were the rocky outcrops tumble

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into the sea. From a short
distance out, he would have seen that

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the deepest part of the channel,
where the water was the darkest, turn

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in a wide sweep to the right, indicating shallows, to the left,

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where the water was a lighter shade
of blue. He could not see what

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these shallows held, However, there
was a small submerged inlet of rock,

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sand and coral, known today as
Smith's Key. This hazard has wrecked many

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vessels over the centuries, and nearly
added Sodo ship to the list. Thanks

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to a spaniard on shore, who
suddenly and inexplicably waved them in the direction

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of the rocks. Riding a fast
horse, this man deliberately signaled to the

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fleet to bear left, a command
that certainly confused Alonzo Martine, who saw

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the deep water of the channel moving
to the right. Nonetheless, he obeyed

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the signal from the shore, ordering
the flagship to come hard to port.

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This brought an eight hundred ton vessel
swinging slowly around, and headed it directly

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for deadly Smith's Key. At this
point, the man on shore abruptly changed

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his mind even more frantically. He
now signaled for the ships to turn hard

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to starboard. One of the men
on board, Guard Alasco, who is

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the one who tells us the story, adds the following quote to make himself

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better understood. He dismounted and ran
to his right, making signs with his

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arms and his cape, and saying, turn turn to the other side,

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you will all be lost. Those
on the flagship, when they understood him,

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turned as rapidly as possible to the
left, but as hard as they

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tried, they could not prevent the
ship from striking inst a rock end quote.

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The other ships of the fleet turned
safely away, but the San Cristal

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Ball scraped bottom quote, striking so
hard against a rock that all on board

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thought it was stove in and lost
end quote. Fearing that the hull was

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taking on water. Many aboard the
sand crystal Ball panicked and hastily grabbed the

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ship's skiffs to escape. Because there
was no protocol of women and children first

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in the sixteenth century, the strongest
and the quickest scrambled to make room for

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themselves, though Soto, who had
brought his wife and her young lady in

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waiting, made sure that they got
safely aboard one of the lifeboats. Fortunately,

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at this point, sailors searching below
decks came running up to tell Soto

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that there was no structural damage to
the ship, and then the liquid slashing

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around in the hold was from wine
from broken casks, not seawater. But

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what had gone wrong here? Well, the townspeople of Santiago, the harbor

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that they were sailing into, were
horrified when they learned that they had nearly

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shipwrecked their new governor, But they
were merely acting out of caution. A

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group of French pirates had been raiding
in the region, and the people mistakenly

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thought Sodo's fleet was a part of
that man. Sodo then presented his credentials

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to the city council, which immediately
accepted him as governor. Sodo wanted to

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try to woo as many young men
to joining his expedition as possible. He

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also started buying up huge quantities of
cattle, farms, food, and manufactured

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goods. This might sound like a
good thing, but it actually wasn't,

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at least as far as the people
of Cuba were concerned. Cuba was very

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much still a growing colony. It
needed its farms and cattle to continue to

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survive. As far as many on
the island were concerned, Sodo was leaching

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away an already existing colony in the
hope of building a new one somewhere else.

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And where was the sense in that. Sodo remained in Santiago for about

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four months. Now. Twenty years
before, Santiago had been a major city,

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but since the conquest of Mexico and
Peru, it had evolved into a

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backwater. Sodo really wanted to get
moving to La Florida. But Sodo could

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not entirely neglect local crises, especially
because he was the governor most pressing was

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the situation with the French. Their
King Francis the First, as we all

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know, remained Charles's mortal enemy,
as their struggle for domination in Europe spilled

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over into the Americas, where pirates
could stage random attacks almost with impunity.

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Clearly, the days were over when
every ship in the Caribbean was Spanish and

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friendly and no seaward defenses were necessary. The Council of the Indies had discussed

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this very issue with Sodo before he
left, ordering him to build a stone

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fort in Havana to protect the gold
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Shortly after touching down in Santiago,
Sodo received word that the pirates chased

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away from Santiago in April, had
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ground, a distressing development if true. Send Soto intended to use Havanah as

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his base to explore La Florida.
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Soto sent another with some men by
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Also in Santiago, Sodo lunched an
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required by the Council of the Indies. In addition, Sodo had to deal

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with what could be described as an
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the island. Certainly, the locals
appreciated all these efforts, the forts and

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the dealing with the uprising, but
Sodo's other legal decisions infuriated them. He

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forbade trade with the outside world,
and I have to say, I really

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don't know why. I have looked
in ten to fifteen other books to see

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if there's some rationalis to why he
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even other Spanish colonies, and I
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decision absolutely crippled Cuba's economy, which
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he forbade the importation of slaves,
even as andcomienda owners were desperate for

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new sources of labor. Certainly,
the vicinos of Cuba were grateful for Soto,

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who was at least trying to cope
with the problems that beset Cuba at

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this moment, but everything else he
did made them absolutely furious. Sometime before

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departing Santiago for Havannah, Sodo dismatched
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neglected mission to Peru, informing his
partner Hernan Ponce de Leon but everything that

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had transpired since they parted three years
earlier. In Peru, Sodo had more

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on his mind, though, than
a simple up to date report. He

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instructed Ayala to ask Pons for an
additional ten thousand ducats, desperately needed to

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finance the expedition's final phase. A
bold request considering Sodo hadn't communicated for over

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a year with his partner. He
instructed Ayala to tell Ponce that as far

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as he was concerned, the company
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and that he would equally divide all
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his old comrade, provided, of
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Ayala said, sale that summer,
but he only got as far as Panama.

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Here he was told Ponce had already
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any day in Panama on his way
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properties while waiting for Ponce in Panama
City, Ayala took care of another business

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item for Soda, selling all the
property bequeathed to him by his wife as

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a dowry. Ayala later recalled he
sold what was actually Pedro of the villa's

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old ranch, which must have brought
in a lot of money and also,

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I'm not gonna lie, probably a
little bit of self satisfaction for Hernando Dee

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Soto. Somehow, however, despite
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Ayala managed to miss Ponce ne Leone
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Later on, he would insist that
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though it's hard to believe that in
this one colony Ponce slipped by Sodo servant

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undetected, but still he did.
Either way, Ayala was either really sick

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or more likely Ponce purposely avoided him
for Soto's old partner. He was ready

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to just go back to Spain.
He wanted to just cash in his chips.

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He didn't want any more frontier life. He didn't want the money from

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the Florida. He figured he had
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this is the one rare guy who
actually just cashes out at the gambling table

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at the New World. Now,
of course, this was of course also

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super convenient for Ponce because he was
taking back to Spain sixty to one hundred

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thousand pasos worth of gold and silver
that he got from selling off the company's

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properties in Peru, half of which, according to the contract, should go

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to Hernando de Soto. So his
reasons for eluding Ayala in Panama probably had

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a lot less to do with a
desire not to go on this expedition to

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La Florida, and a lot more
to do with the fact that he didn't

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want to give Soto his half back
in Cuba. Early that fall, Soto

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mustered his army, most of it
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Cuba, where all would depart for
La Florida. Soto, with one hundred

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and fifty cavalry, would go overland
so he could take stock of the province

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he would never see again. Cuba, even up to this point, had

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never been heavily populated, and the
land that Soto now marched through to Havana

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was mostly swamps and grassland. It
wasn't the most fun trek in the history

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of the world, but frankly,
it was a good taste of things to

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come. Eventually, Soto reached Havanah, where the fleet was waiting for him.

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But then he got some bad news. It seems that an expedition from

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Mexico led by Francisco de Coronado,
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the American Southwest. Soto, however, thought that this was one hundred percent

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part of La Florida. He was
furious, according to one report, quote,

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not knowing where Coronado was going the
governor and he's talking about. Soto

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began fearing that the two might encounter
and hinder one another, and that trouble

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might arise between them, as had
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and in Central America during the Wars
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Soto had lived through already, I
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feeling the way that he did.
It seemed like the only way that the

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Spanish could lose in the New World
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Every native civilization that they had encountered, every first nation's empire had simply been

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unable to stand up to that deadly
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The only thing that could derail an
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the gas. Sometime in late fifteen
thirty eight, he ordered one of his

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lieutenants to find a suitable landing spot
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The man was an accomplished geographer a
navigator, so he skipped all the marshy

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ground in Florida's southern shore and went
instead to the more hospitable Gulf. Eventually

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he picked a landing spot, which
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an asside, by the way,
there is this whole cottage industry that I

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never knew existed amongst historians. When
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no one, and I do mean
no one agrees on every spot,

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but I'm going to do my best
to give you the consensus in terms of

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generally where he is and when.
And we're talking about a trek here.

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You know, that's five six years
long, so it's not huge, but

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he manages to cover quite a large
swath of territory in that time. When

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the ships returned, Soda was delighted
to learn that not only was there an

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excellent landing spot, but there was
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This the advanced team had apparently learned
from conversing with natives. The final account

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for the expedition was about six hundred
officers, soldiers, tradesmen, servants,

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and non Indian slaves. They also
took around two hundred and forty horses,

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so in terms of men, Soto
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peace Auto had when he conquered Peru. He also had five large ships,

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two caravels, and two small brigantines. Finally, on the eighteenth of May

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fifteen thirty nine, the expedition to
conquer La Florida set out. Sodo's fleet

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first sighted the shoreline of La Florida
on made the twenty fifth, fifteen thirty

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nine. Immediately, lookouts began scanning
the coastline looking for a broad natural harbor,

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but they found was an inlet Soto
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Most historians agree that today is Tampa
Bay, where exactly Soto's boot first met

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Americans soil, however, remains a
matter of conjecture and hot debate. When

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they got closer to the shore,
Soo dispatched a brigantine and scouting party that

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he would personally lead to find a
campsite. At this point, the fleet

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probably stood at anchor near a thin
coastal island in Tampa Bay, which today

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is called Longboat Key. Soto led
his brigantine out ideally define natives with whom

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they could confirm the existence of gold
ideally nearby. They didn't find any.

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In fact, they got lost.
Soon the Soto found himself with the sun

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dropping fast below the horizon. Not
wanting to get caught away from the fleet

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after dark, Soto ordered the rowers
to return to the ships, But when

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they emerged from the narrow passage between
the two islands, they found that the

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wind had shifted direction and stiffened too, a light gale that nearly prevented them

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from paddling out into the open sea. Once free of the inlet, the

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tiny craft could make no headway toward
the fleet as the wind pushed them repeatedly

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back against the beach in Longboat Key. Finally, as the sun dropped into

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the sea and the sky darkened into
twilight, the governor gave up and ordered

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his men to run the brigantine under
the beach for the night in a protected

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spot out of the driving wind.
This could have either been potentially Longboat Key

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or possibly back inside sarah Soota Bay. We're not sure wherever it was.

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One of the men on board them, Roligo Ranjel, says that they found

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a small Indian village hastily abandoned,
containing quote a hut like the large ones

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that have been seen in the Indies, and several smaller ones and quote.

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Sodo was now with his small group
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Alviedo, one of Soto's key lieutenants
back with the ships, noted that

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he was very lucky Sodo, that
is, the natives didn't wipe out his

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scouting party then in there. Luckily, the next morning the fleet spotted Sodo's

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brigantine and they were able to send
the caravel to collect the men. For

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four more days, the fleet proceeded
slowly into the bay. On May thirtieth,

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Sodo found a suitable enough landing space
that he ordered the horses unloaded,

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assuming he followed normal conquistado procedures.
Soto then likely cleared out enough space for

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a campsite, cleaning the underbrush and
felling several trees during this process, Soto's

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men first encountered a group of hostile
natives. The meeting didn't go well.

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Two natives were killed and two horses
were wounded, and no one found any

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gold. Not the best start.
The following morning, Soo took a hundred

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or more men in brigantines to find
a more suitable campsite. He found it

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eight miles to the north, in
an abandoned Indian village called Osita. Soto

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decided to make this his temporary headquarters
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once. Everyone, including the stragglers, reached Osita by June the third,

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muddy hot and happy to find abandoned
huts to rest in. But the bad

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news was that this seemed like an
extremely primitive village. Not only was there

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no site of golden pyramids, or
golden temples, or golden anything. These

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locals didn't even seem to grow corn, a crop with which the span it's

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now associated with advanced Mesoamerican cultures.
Soto, of course, remained undaunted.

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The question, then, of course, is when Hernando de Soto planted the

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purple and gold standard of Castile and
Arragon on the Florida coast. What exactly

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was he claiming, Because he did
that according to the King, the governor

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combined the concessions given to Panfilo,
Navarees and Lucas de Ayom. Theoretically this

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encompassed the entire of North America above
Mexico, all seven point three million square

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miles of it. Quite a piece
of real estate to be claimed by one

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person standing on a beach who had
no real idea of the continent's size.

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But then again, such as the
age of the Comquisador. Still, even

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if to Soto had known the audacious
claim he was putting forth, I doubt

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it would have stopped him. Nor
was Soto a loan as he offloaded his

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men in material late that May near
the Indian village of Ossita. Other explorers

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were making their own bids to penetrate
deep into the interior. In Mexico,

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Francisco Vasquez de Coronado was about to
launch his invasion of what was now the

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southwestern United States, and far away
to the northeast in the Saint Lauris River

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Valley. The French explorer Jacques Cartier
two years later would begin his third and

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final expedition, trekking deep into Canada. Where he had already claimed the homelands

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that belonged to the Huron, the
Algonquin, and the Iroquois, all for

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France without ever asking them. Meanwhile, to the west, a man named

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Francisco de Yula and later Juan Rodrigo
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Should eventually take Cabrillo as far north
as present day Oregon. It was

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an age when one had to just
point and say mine. In fifteen thirty

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nine, though Columbus's first voyage was
then forty seven years old, Europeans knew

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next to nothing about North America.
It may come as a surprise to some

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of you listening, but all the
attention had been in the Caribbean, Central

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and South America, but would become
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That's going to change when England becomes
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seventeenth century. But even Jamestown won't
be founded until sixteen o seven. Soto

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was in uncharted lands already, he
and his men had met and killed several

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of the local peoples, the Tumukuian
Indians, the people who inhabited the upper

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half of the Florida Peninsula. Soto
actually didn't want to kill these people.

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He hoped to capture a few to
interrogate them again. He wanted to know

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we're all the kingdoms of the Gold
were. Sodo's early frustration at being unable

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to capture knowledgeable Indians, or any
Indians for that matter, other than a

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few scragglers, became a major problem
as summer preceded and the Natives continued to

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elude his men. In part this
was because of the inexperienced Spaniards had not

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yet properly learned about how to sneak
through the swamps and forests. But even

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when Soto's men managed to find Indians, they proved to be among the most

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formidable fighters Soto had ever seen,
including the incas. Their secret weapon was

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something that was unheard of anywhere else
in the Indies, belong bow. Indeed,

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Soto had not faced such deadly bows
and arrows since his late teens in

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Colombia. The Florida Natives used what
was kind of a massive bow, was

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six or seven feet long. There
was no poison, but their deadly accuracy

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was almost perfect, even from as
far away as two hundred paces Sodo's men

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had great difficulty even bending these bows
that were as tall as a man.

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According to one the arrows were quote
very heavy and so tough that a sharp

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and cane passed through a shield,
somber pointed like a fishbone, some as

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sharp as an awe, and others
with a certain stone like a diamond point.

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Generally, when these strike against armor, they go right through the links

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and quote, so Sodo was up
against it in terms of the odds,

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and Frank was probably a little bit
surprised by the sophistication of the weaponry that

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was being used by the natives,
despite the fact that they didn't seem to

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evidence any other characteristics of advanced Mesoamerican
civilizations. During these first busy weeks in

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La Florida, Soto sent his scouts
out in all directions in the hopes of

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finding evidence of an advanced civilization.
He also organized his army into permanent squadrons

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for cavalry and two infantry. Around
sixty days, the camp remained a flurry

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of activity as men unloaded the ships
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As Soda organized the army, his
men debated whether an author governor should build

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impermanent settlement. Soto, who usually
let his men openly talk over such matters

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before making his final decision, cut
off these discussions in mid July. He

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told them that there would be no
colony here because the soil was too swampy

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and too sterile. He did not
dismiss the idea of an inland settlement,

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however. Now, according to a
couple of sources, the nearby native chiefs

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knew that the Spaniard were coming,
and they sent out a party of thirty

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men to greet them, some sixty
to eighty miles from their main town,

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which is called Osita, west of
present day Orlando, Carrying gifts of maze

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and fur. They brought a titillating
message from their ruler that up north,

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in a place called Ocala, the
Spaniards would find all the treasure they could

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carry. The scouts told Soto's men
quote that land talking about Ocali had gold

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in abundance, so much so that
when they came to make war on the

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people of Ocali, they wore hats
of gold resembling helmets end quote. Now

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to an extent, was any of
this true? No, And quite frankly

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did these native Americans believe any of
this. No, they just shrewdly understood

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what the Spaniards wanted and were willing
to give them the information that would take

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them somewhere else, anywhere other than
here. And not for the last time,

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I'm going to bring up Sodo's biggest
mistake, failing to build a settlement

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on the coast. Soto spent his
entire time in North America trying to find

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a civilization to loot and plunder.
He never put down any roots. Had

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he, he would have been able
to resupply and reconnoiter more effectively and more

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permanently. But he didn't. Before
departing Tampa Bay, Soto ordered one of

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his men to stay with forty others
to guard the harbor and the remaining ships

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of the fleet, and keep open
communication lines between Florida and Havana. This

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was on the ninth of July.
At this point, the mood of Sodo

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and everyone else in the expedition remained
high. At the end of a letter

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that he wrote around the same time, Soto concludes, quote, may it

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please God that this may be so? For of what these Indians say,

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I believe nothing, but I will
see and must see, although they know

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and have it for a saying that
if they lie to me, it will

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cost them their lives. But further
on we will find much treasure. End

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quote. Now. From his vantage
point high on top of Osita's mound,

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Hernando de Soto had an excellent view
of his army preparing to leave this ground

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to march north to Alkala. This
is on July fifteenth, fifteen thirty nine.

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Later that morning, Soto probably took
a final look on the mound,

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watching with great satisfaction as his men
formed its neat lines and their units set

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00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:40.400
off briskly to scout and secure the
road to the interior. The army departed

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Osita, arrayed in standard Unquista marching
order, beginning as always, with the

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00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:51.400
vanguard behind them. Came the main
army, called the battle line, divided

440
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into squadrons. Some of these men
would have been an alerting case of attack.

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00:42:54.400 --> 00:43:00.119
Others protected the senior officers. Still
others protected the porters, slaves,

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00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.480
prisoners, and noncombatants, snaking along
the trail in a procession that sometimes stretched

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for several miles. Typically, Sodo
rode at the head of this large ungainly

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center. Throughout July Sodo and his
army continued moving north through Florida. It

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would have been frankly, absolutely miserable. The land was all swamps and marshes.

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00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.880
There were constant hidden run attacks from
Native Americans who were always shadowing his

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00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.559
army, though Sodo and his men
likely could not see them much of the

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time. On July the twenty fourth, Sodo reached what is today probably with

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a Coochie swamp. It's a twelve
mile long depression of stagnant bogs and freshwater

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lakes just outside Orlando. Sodo's biggest
problem now was not a lack of gold,

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there was clearly none of that in
central Florida, but a lack of

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food. Sodo tended to move quickly
with an advanced force, while the bulk

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of his slower moving army followed.
Captured Native porters suffering under heavy burdens and

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from a lack of nutrition, dropped
dead in their tracks in droves. Still,

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Sodo pressed on as the desperate men
followed him, hoping for word that

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they had found food. Right now, they were trying to reach the town

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of Ocala, which Sodo had been
told possessed a bounty of food supplies,

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and the problem was he didn't know
exactly where Ocalay was. His men had

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no choice but to continue marching,
mud and mock up to their knees,

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00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:45.320
hasted endlessly by mosquitoes and haunted by
the distant and eerie calls wolves, alligators,

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and birds. The army ultimately did
reach Akalai, but in what was

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going to be a preview of probably
everything to come from here on out,

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it was not the oasis Sodo thought
it would be. O'calley turned out to

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be little more than a village or
another several villages put together, probably no

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more than a few dozen palm thatched
huts. There were no great stores of

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food, there was no gold,
but there was enough for the army to

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avoid the ever present specter of starvation. After the last stragglers arrived in O'kali,

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the Spaniards wearily gathered corns, squash, pumpkins, and beans, plundering

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the Indians fields. Because they had
even fewer servants left alive after the march

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through the swamp, most were forced
to prepare their own food while his men

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ate and regained their strength. Sodo
wondered about his situation, dismayed to find

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himself already two months into his expedition, with several men and horses killed and

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00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.320
nothing to show for it. But
this hardly damped the enthusiasm of a man

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who had survived grueling marches from Darien
to the Andes, who had remained convinced

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that these past eight weeks were merely
the prelude to a successful quest. Continuing

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00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:14.000
to dream, Soto's next would be
El Dorado was a kingdom to the north

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00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:20.239
called Appalachi. This time the goal
was never gold, Soo knew there was

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00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.199
no gold there. His only hope
now was to find enough food to get

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00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:28.639
his men through the winter. They
would worry about the gold later on.

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In August eleventh, he departed Okale
for this new mythical land of plenty.

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He had no guides, but Soto
new Appalachi lay somewhere to the north,

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so north he would go for Once
the pass was easy to follow, Soto

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00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:51.599
was able to use what was effectively
an ancient highway, cleared so well that

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00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:55.480
three or four people could walk abreast. This helped the men make good time

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and encouraged Soto to believe that this
time he was going somewhere more sophisticated.

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00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:07.400
Four days later, the army marched
through what are today the outskirts of Gainesville,

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Florida. By now the countryside had
shifted from swamps to dry grass land

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00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.480
and forest. Food was much more
plentiful, and the men began to recover

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00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:22.280
some of their lost strength. In
August the sixteenth, they crossed the Santa

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Fe River, about twenty miles north
of Gainesville, and here Soto's trek nearly

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00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.920
came to an end, at least
for him. They came upon a local

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00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:37.840
group of Indians, whose chief devised
a trick. They would pretend to be

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friends, surround Soto and his men, and then quickly launch a surprise attack.

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The Indians made the first move,
one man telling us that no sooner

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00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:54.440
had Soto arrived quote and the conversation
was beginning when he saw himself immediately surrounded

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00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.880
by Indians endote, but having anticipated
this attack and someone actually told him about

497
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:07.920
it a trader, Soto gave the
signal to trigger a full scale Spanish charge,

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00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:12.800
which was one blast on a trumpet. Soto's cavalry came rushing across the

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00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:17.679
field, smashing into the surrounding Indians, taking them completely by surprise. They

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00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:22.039
fled towards two ponds on the end
of the plane, but the Spanish were

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00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:28.159
not about to let them escape.
After surrounding the pond and waiting out several

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00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:35.239
days, several Indian soldiers eventually emerged
from the cool black water. The Spaniards

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00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.199
bound them up with rope and marched
them back to Soto's camp. Once in

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00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:44.159
town, Soto ordered them put in
chains and imprisoned in a huge lodge house

505
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:49.360
in the village. As the sun
rose. Another eyewitness tells us that these

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Indians quote were allotted among the Christians
for their service and quote, with individual

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00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:59.639
prisoners being let off in ropes and
chains to the personal areas of the soldiers,

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00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:04.599
where they were put to work grinding
corn, carrying equipment, fetching grass

509
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.159
for the horses, and obeying whatever
commands were given to them. Soto was

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00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:13.559
used to Native Americans, who had
been crushed this decisively in battle, being

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docile and dejected. But here's where
he would get a lesson indifference. No

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sooner had the first chief been released
from his chains. Later on that he

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00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:28.119
turned on Soto and punched him in
the mouth, delivering quote such a great

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00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.719
blow that it bathed Soto's teeth in
blood and made him spit out more blood

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00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:37.519
end quote. This, of course, was entirely suicidal, but it didn't

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00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.280
matter. The immediate revolt seemed to
engulf all the warriors, even though still

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00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.440
in ropes and chains. They tried
to grab whatever they could to use his

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00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:52.000
weapons, one man apparently snatching quote
the pestle for crushing maze, which he

519
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:57.280
used with all his might to try
to kill his master end quote. Others

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00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:01.079
grabbed swords and lances much more useful
for this purpose, carelessly left about.

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But the outcome was never in out
Sodo Spaniards rallied against the prisoners, who

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00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:13.440
were still mostly unarmed and chained or
otherwise encumbered. Within minutes, the conquistadors

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00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:17.320
had grabbed weapons and were battling back, cutting down the most recalcitrant warriors and

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00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:22.079
recapturing others. This time, the
prisoners were not going to be spared,

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bloodied, and furious, Soda ordered
most of the survivors executed, though too

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00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.599
many. That was a mistake.
Sodo was, after all, desperate for

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00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:36.320
labor, and he really could have
used the servants. Perhaps killing a few

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00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.320
as an example would have been a
more appropriate and measured response. In fact,

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00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:45.280
some of Sodo's own men wrote in
their diaries, considering the punishment excessive

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00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:49.559
and wasteful, and criticizing their commander
wouldn't be the first time they would do

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so. After the massacre, Soto
had no choice but to keep moving.

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00:50:54.320 --> 00:51:00.199
By late September, he reached roughly
what is today Tallahassee, Florida. Here

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00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.360
things were much nicer. The pine
forests of North Florida are pleasant. In

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00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:08.639
late September, the humidity eases off
and the temperature becomes tolerable, even for

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00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:15.079
men wrapped in thick quilted armor,
chainmail, and metal jackets. Yet Hernando

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00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:20.960
de Soto was clearly on edge as
his guides became gradually more and more terrified.

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00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:25.559
Approaching the Appalachi border go back,
they pleaded, regaling their interpreter with

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00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:32.119
gruesome stories about legendary Appalachi atrocities and
the fierce, maniacal bravery of warriors feared

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00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:37.360
for hundreds of miles beyond their domain. For some Spaniards, the terror among

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00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:44.119
their guides undoubtedly wetted their appetite for
a good fight. Others were less enthusiastic

541
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:49.559
about facing an even more formidable foe. There was also continued muttering among the

542
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.320
men about the fate of Penphilio de
Navarez his army at the hands of the

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00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:59.280
Appalache he a dozen years earlier,
an incident that resulted in that entire expedition

544
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:05.719
being white doubt. Soto's preoccupation with
the coming campaign and the high statehead and

545
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:10.599
winning it seems to have made him
more irritable than usual. An infantry men

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00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:16.599
named Alvaro de Canna found out the
day the army departed, sneaking away from

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00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:22.119
his unit without permission to fetch a
sword that he left behind. His absence

548
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.920
was noted and reported to Sodo,
but instead of exacting the usual fine,

549
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:32.000
demotion or flogging for the breach of
military discipline, a tense Soto ordered the

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00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:40.320
young man hung. The sentence stunned
the army, Sodo soon calmed down and

551
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:47.199
canceled the execution. Regardless, there
are no further reports of swords being left

552
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:52.639
behind. By now, the Appalachi
knew the Spaniards were coming already, the

553
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:59.880
Appalachi dispatched a large force of warriors
to stop the advancing Spaniards. Their plan

554
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.239
was to use a series of hidden
run attacks, and if that failed,

555
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:07.920
simple slash and burn. They would
eliminate the food supply and thereby stop the

556
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:14.119
Spanish dead in their tracks. These
guys knew what they were doing, by

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00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.079
the way. It would not be
until the British and Creek, working in

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00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:23.320
tandem, eliminated them in the early
eighteenth century. The proud Indian Soda was

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00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:30.440
about to confront were the first true
Mississippians along the Spaniards route. That is,

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the first highly organized kingdom with a
strong central authority, standing army,

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elite classes of politicians, priests and
warriors, and a complex network of trade

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00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:45.800
with other Mississippian kingdoms as far north
as the Great Lakes and perhaps as far

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00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:51.760
south as Tegoshtiklan in Mexico. At
the time that Sodo arrived, the Appalachi

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king ruled a prosperous kingdom that worshiped
the sun, grew an abundance of corn,

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and built large cities filled with pyramids
in what is today modern Leon County

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00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:07.119
in Florida. In fifteen thirty nine, this country was fertile enough to feed

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some twenty five thousand Appalachi and possibly
as many as one hundred thousand, by

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far and away the most dense population
that Soto had yet come across. On

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October, the first Sodo officially crossed
into what might be called Appalachi Country,

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on the east side of the Assilla
River, which flows through Georgia and parts

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of North Florida. According to one
source, the Indians began their attack as

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soon as Sodo's vanguard quote ventured a
few steps into the swamps and thickets end

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quote. The same man continues,
quote there was a lively combat. A

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00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.559
path the Indians had made was so
narrow that two men could scarcely get through

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it and were attacked the whole way
end quote. Now, actually, in

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00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:58.719
this particular instance, the Appalachi were
like sort of Greek like at Thermoplai,

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able to find a bottle neck in
the woods, and wouldn't allow the Spaniards

578
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:07.199
to get past. Soto became infuriated. He joined the combat, but even

579
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:12.920
his marshal prowess couldn't push back the
Appalachi. On this occasion, the battle

580
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became quote cruel and bloody, as
the Spaniards pushed hard into the waste high

581
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:23.000
water, slashing and lancing and firing
their guns, headed inexorably toward their targets

582
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:29.840
the main channel of the river,
and eventually Soto and his men do manage

583
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:32.599
to reach it by the end of
the night, but both sides suffered many

584
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:38.119
deaths and wounds. With night falling, Soda ordered his men to stand fast

585
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and pitch a makeshift camp. He
then ordered another subordinate to build a bridge

586
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across the deep channel of the water. In describing the battle, another witness

587
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:53.360
tells another colorful story, ripe with
kind of romance and drama. But as

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00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:57.719
usual, a lot of these stories
don't jive with what we do about the

589
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:01.079
actual battle, and frankly, according
to yet a third witness, this battle

590
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:06.800
was actually no more than a small
skirmish. The Appalachi stuck to the plan,

591
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:12.400
retreating, burning their villages and fields, and launching harassing attacks against Soto

592
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:16.440
and his men. It was a
grueling march. On October sixth, Soto

593
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reached the Appalachi capital of on Ahyika, which the natives had not burned.

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This is actually the only point in
all of Soto's four thousand mile march that

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00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.840
we can say we know exactly where
he is. That's because on Ahyika was

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in downtown Tallahassee, about a half
a mile from the Florida State Capitol building.

597
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Recognizing that he could go no further
before winter set in, Soto decided

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to fortify the town and use the
stores of food left to get through the

599
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winter. Then he would continue to
search for his city of gold, increasingly

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00:56:52.559 --> 00:57:00.719
becoming an obsession. Hernado to Soto
left on a hika on marched the third

601
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:07.639
fifteen forty. Certainly the decision was
a mistake, so to missed an opportunity

602
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.760
to found a new colony. Had
he done so, he might have established

603
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:15.880
a base from which he could launch
later expeditions. But his head remained full

604
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:22.679
of illusions of grandeur and gold for
the moment. His men continued to share

605
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:28.400
in these fantasies, and so departed
with great fanfare, convinced they were all

606
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:34.639
merely steps from finding temples of gold. It did not take long for the

607
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:38.880
army to reach Georgia. From there
they moved essentially due north toward the foothills

608
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:44.440
of the Appalachian Mountains. Here,
the days and nights became a bit repetitious.

609
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:49.079
They marched. Sometimes they came upon
an Indian settlement. Sometimes it was

610
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:53.360
occupied, more often it was abandoned. Occasionally the army was attacked by different

611
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:58.760
bands of warriors who emerged from the
woods or swamps, and then quickly retreated

612
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:02.400
back from whence they came. On
March the twenty third, fifteen forty,

613
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:08.719
Soto reached Talaya, the capital of
one of the four advanced civilizations his army

614
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:14.920
would march through in Georgia. Sodo
stayed in Twya only a few hours.

615
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:20.639
He suddenly became obsessed once again with
wanting to keep moving, inspired by the

616
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:27.079
sophistication relativists of the Twaya people.
According to one source quote, it was

617
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:32.079
a constantly observed custom of his Sotos
that he must go himself to any new

618
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:37.000
discovery of provinces, because he was
not satisfied with the reports of others,

619
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:42.960
but wished to see it with his
own eyes end quote. They next reached

620
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.679
the kingdom of the Echiesi. While
they found some advanced farming techniques, there

621
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:52.519
was no evidence of Inca style grandeur. Soto only tarried a day from it

622
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:58.719
Chiesi. Sodo continued following the various
rivers of central Georgia as his army moved

623
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:04.920
north. On me the first Sodo
crossed into what is today South Carolina.

624
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:08.400
There he entered the kingdom of the
This is a very difficult word for me

625
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:16.079
Kofichiki. This was probably the most
sophisticated civilization Soto and his men had seen

626
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:22.199
thus far. For one fleeting moment, it seemed like it might all pay

627
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:28.480
off. The Queen of the Choki
arrived to meet them wearing a string of

628
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:35.880
precious pearls. Here was finely evidence
of a luxury good Sodo could do something

629
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:39.719
with. Plus, the homes and
the clothing of the people here were just

630
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:47.079
much more elaborate in general. Unfortunately
for Sodo, if there had been grandeur,

631
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:53.079
it was gone. The Kofi Chikiti
had just been decimated by plague.

632
00:59:54.000 --> 01:00:00.400
It's unlikely that the queen even ruled
over half of the territory she and her

633
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.760
progeny had once. One of our
historians tell us that the queen herself first

634
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:08.280
told Soto of the plague when they
met at the river. She apologized to

635
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:14.159
the lack of food on hand,
and told him that quote, the pestilence

636
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:17.199
of the year before had deprived her
of the provisions she might have given Soto

637
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:22.920
in previous years end quote, she
was able to give him enough corn for

638
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:27.760
his immediate needs, though food supplies
in the capital region were minimal. Enough

639
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:32.679
that as soon as the men had
regained their strength, they continued northeast towards

640
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:39.360
a vassal city. This which was
called Ilapi, was probably located near present

641
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:45.960
day Cherra in South Carolina, about
fifty five miles further north. There,

642
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:49.719
the queen said that she had several
large stores of food, which was true,

643
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:53.559
but Sodo continued to pester the queen
and the people. Where were the

644
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:59.679
gold? Where was all the precious
metals? Unfortunately, at least for Soto,

645
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.800
there weren't any, and the pearls
turned out to be the only piece

646
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:09.960
of evidence that they have of Jofikitkiti
wealth and power. Everyone in the army

647
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:15.840
was now just kind of feeling defeated, let down by the meager treasure in

648
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:20.800
Kofi Chikiti. I mean, it
was hard for everybody to make their fortune

649
01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:25.960
on one string of pearls. As
SODA's men rested and regained their strength,

650
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:31.840
however, they began talking amongst themselves
about how appropriate this place would be to

651
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:37.559
establish a colony. According to one
man, quote, all them men were

652
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:42.119
of the opinion that they should settle
that land, as it was an excellent

653
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:49.679
region. End quote. He was
actually dead on agriculturally, this region of

654
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:53.880
the United States today is great,
but strategically and again, what Europeans still

655
01:01:53.880 --> 01:02:00.960
didn't totally know was that right here
along the coast of South carol Lina would

656
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:06.519
be a perfect place for a port. The Gulf Stream pushes ships north as

657
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.840
they travel up from the Caribbean,
and they'll need a place to resupply.

658
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:15.760
If Soto would have recognized that,
his whole expedition may have actually been a

659
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:23.440
success. But Arno de Soto had
no interest in the tedious process of building

660
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:30.760
colonies. He insisted to keep going, both because this region was low on

661
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:36.079
food because he was nervous about meeting
up with his fleet, which he had

662
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:40.559
left back in Florida. None of
this was really true, though. Sodo

663
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:45.199
simply just didn't want to stop in
a place with no gold and a small

664
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:51.320
population of potential laborers and slaves.
Indeed, when he heard that twelve days

665
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:55.159
in lynd there lived a great king
ruling a country called Chiaha, he refused

666
01:02:55.159 --> 01:03:01.920
to listen to talk about any more, staying in Kofiji Kitti Lands. While

667
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:08.679
the men went along, some were
starting to wonder, starting to wonder if

668
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:16.199
Donna Soto the governor of La Florida, the member of the Order of Santiago,

669
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:22.360
the hero of Peru. Something in
to wonder if he was losing his

670
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:54.320
mind. So it was that on
May the twelve or thirteenth, Soto spurred

671
01:03:54.320 --> 01:04:00.239
his horse and turned his back forever
on probably his best for success in North

672
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:08.440
America. Once again, his obsession
with finding piles of gold so impacted Soto's

673
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:14.760
decision making that he failed to see
the opportunity right there in front of him

674
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:18.760
to an extent, and then of
the Soto is a cautionary tale. He

675
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:25.559
is not unlike Macbeth or any other
tragic figure from Shakespeare. He had huge

676
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:30.599
dreams that he simply could not let
go of. In the end, they

677
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:35.760
killed him. From North Carolina,
Soto turned his army due west and began

678
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:42.280
the march to Tennessee. The Spaniards
in this area associated mountains with gold and

679
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:46.000
other precious metals, so the sight
of the looming Appalachian mountains meant more to

680
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:50.639
Soto than their sheer beauty. Of
course, there's irony in all this talk

681
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:56.360
and rumors of precious metals, for
the truth is that there was and still

682
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:00.719
is a small amount of naturally occurring
gold in this region, recovered mostly by

683
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:05.679
panning in creeks and streams, first
discovered in eighteen twenty by a Carolina farmer.

684
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:12.800
Mines in North Georgia. The Carolinas
and Eastern Tennessee produced as much as

685
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:16.119
a million dollars a year worth of
gold until eighteen forty eight, when the

686
01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:23.800
miners literally pulled up stakes and rushed
off to California. Soto failed to locate

687
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:28.559
copper deposits that still exist in the
area, saw some of which were worked

688
01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:32.960
by prehistoric Mississippians. In late May, Soto reached the French Broad River,

689
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:38.440
which runs through Asheville, North Carolina. He was moving quickly now, his

690
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:43.360
army running out of supplies. Here's
a journal from one of Soto's men that

691
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:45.480
gives you a good sense of what
the day to day going was like.

692
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:50.760
Quote. Friday, May twenty eighth, we spent the night in an oak

693
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:56.880
grove. Saturday May twenty ninth,
we marched alongside a large creek, which

694
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.679
we crossed many times. Sunday,
May thirtieth, in the morning, messengers

695
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:05.000
came in peace, and we arrived
early in Gulasi, and the Indians gave

696
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:10.239
us many tamales, many little dogs
and corns, and because this was a

697
01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:15.320
good resting place, the soldiers afterwards
called the term house of Gulasi when they

698
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:20.159
threw the dice for good luck.
May thirty first Monday, Soda left for

699
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:25.880
Gulossi and took the army to an
oak grove alongside the river. Tuesday June

700
01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:30.639
first, we passed through Knnesoca and
spent the night in the open. Wednesday

701
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:33.599
June the second, we spent the
night alongside a swamp and we ate a

702
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:40.519
great number of mulberries. Thursday June
third, we followed a large creek next

703
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:45.039
to the river, the French Broad
River. We had crossed in the savannah

704
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:48.920
where the cicacia went away, and
now it was large. Friday June the

705
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:54.000
fourth, we went to a pine
forest in a creek where the Indians from

706
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:58.880
Chihaha came in peace and brought corn. Saturday June the fifth, in the

707
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.840
morning, we crossed the very broad
River across a branch of it and entered

708
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:06.880
Chiaha, which is an island on
the same river. End quote. This

709
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:13.159
island capital is near present Bay Dandridge, Tennessee. It had no gold,

710
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:17.239
but it did have puntiful supplies of
food, and the army as a result

711
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:23.320
rested there for twenty two days.
Refreshed. After their respite in Chiaha,

712
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:28.079
Soto's men on June twenty eighth,
fifteen forty plunged back into their journey,

713
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.679
the full army traveling together for the
first time since they crossed into the wilderness

714
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:36.800
at the Savannah River. For eighteen
days, the Spaniards trekked roughly one hundred

715
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:43.400
and fifty miles across low mountain passes
and down river valleys, their path alternating

716
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:47.440
from why highways to narrow trails.
Now numbering some five hundred and fifty men

717
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:53.440
plus hundreds of porters, slaves and
servants, the army moved either single file

718
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:57.320
or two or three minute breast,
depending upon the terrain. Their goal was

719
01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:00.719
now to head for the heartland of
the next major missus sit the Empire,

720
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:05.599
the Cusa, during this summer march, which would eventually take the army beyond

721
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:11.119
Cusa toward the planned rendezvous with Soto's
fleet on the coast of Alabama. So

722
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:15.239
Too finally established a marching rhythm he
had been after since making landfall in Law,

723
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:20.960
Florida. This involved the usual conquistador
method of quickly bringing local chiefs under

724
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:26.319
his power, so the Spaniards could
use his authority to demand food, lodging

725
01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:30.239
porters, and women, until Sodo
had passed through this kingdom and on to

726
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:34.319
the next, where the process would
begin again in very much a leech like

727
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:42.239
manner. Soto's smooth and largely uneventful
progression across the southern Appalachians was hardly a

728
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:46.279
coincidence. He chose this route specifically
because he had been told that the army

729
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:50.359
would find the stores of food that
they needed and large numbers of Indians to

730
01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:56.399
impress into servants. The Indians,
too, were continuing to operate under the

731
01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:00.840
tactic of giving Sodo and the invaders
whatever they asked in order to get rid

732
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:04.399
of them. None of the native
leaders, however, fully appreciated how much

733
01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:10.399
luck contributed to their design. If
Soto had found any sign of treasure at

734
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:15.920
all among the natives of Tennessee and
Georgia, this march would have instantly ceased

735
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.079
to be benign, with Soto grabbing
whatever he wanted, whether or not the

736
01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:26.079
natives cooperated. Soto seems relaxed during
this period his plan to march south and

737
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:30.239
link up with his fleet seemed more
feasible than ever. It was late June,

738
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.600
so we had plenty of time.
As a result, he stopped his

739
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:39.840
army frequently, affording the men an
opportunity to rest and recuperate. Soto had

740
01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:44.359
three years left on his royal contract. He must have felt like that was

741
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:47.800
plenty of time to find what he
was searching for. He had mapped out

742
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:53.359
a rough idea of La Florida.
He could always now come back with more

743
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:59.720
men later and continue the expedition.
Sotos marched to Cusa, was not entirely

744
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:04.279
without difficulty. In Costi, the
next major kingdom of the Chiaha, Soho

745
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:10.479
saw his peaceful sojourn nearly turned violent
when he and eight Spaniards entered the capitol,

746
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:16.000
probably situated twenty eight miles southwest of
modern Knoxville, Tennessee, looking for

747
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:21.039
corn. Some of his party began
plundering all kinds of different storehouses near the

748
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:26.720
chief's palace. This was despite a
friendly welcome from the Indians, with no

749
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:30.720
regard for the fact that the group
was vastly outnumbered and lightly armed, that

750
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.760
the main army was in a camp
about a half a mile away. This

751
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:41.079
outrageous behavior angered the people who seized
the looters and began to quote unquote beat

752
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:44.880
them, while others grabbed their bows
and arrows to come forth to the plaza

753
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.600
end quote. Normally, Soda would
have met such an assault against his own

754
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:53.720
men with deadly force, if only
to drive home the point that Indians who

755
01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:58.920
dared to lay hands on a European
faced automatic punishment, even if the European

756
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:03.960
was at fault. But because Soto
had entered in the town carelessly and unarmed,

757
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:09.000
quote, he abruptly found himself in
a position where he was likely to

758
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:14.159
be the one penalized or even killed. He first heard about the fight between

759
01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:17.079
his men and the Indians when several
natives breathlessly rushed up to the leader,

760
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:20.439
that is, the native leader,
to report that the Spaniards were trying to

761
01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:27.600
plunder the royal storehouses. They were
quickly followed by the bloodied Spaniards themselves,

762
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:30.760
who ran up to join Sodo's army. Angrily, turning to his guest,

763
01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:36.359
the king demanded the Native American king
an explanation as to what the native soldiers

764
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:43.039
were doing. A conquisador with less
experience might have panicked or attacked in a

765
01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:46.279
suicidal charge and it would have been
suicide. In this case, Sodo did

766
01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:51.199
neither. Instead, he proved once
more the nimbleness of mind during a life

767
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:57.319
threatening crisis had been a hallmark of
his success in the New World. As

768
01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:00.520
the Indians closed in, he suddenly
turned on his own men and began to

769
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:05.199
quarrel with them, pretending to chastise
them for stealing the natives corn. He

770
01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:11.760
whispered them to play along and suffer
it. Quote be tolerant because of the

771
01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:14.960
evident danger in which we were,
and that no one should put a hand

772
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:19.359
on his weapons endote. He then
quote thrashed some of them as he flattered

773
01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:23.960
the leader and told him that he
did not wish the Christians should anger them

774
01:12:24.039 --> 01:12:30.199
end quote. Evidently the roost worked
and the whole situation managed to be disfused.

775
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:34.680
Eventually, Soto passed into the Empire
of the Cusa, the largest indigenous

776
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:40.319
empire of the American South, and
he would make it to the capital of

777
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:45.319
said empire, but historians hotly debate
exactly where that was. The most likely

778
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:51.920
site is Cartier, It's Georgia,
roughly between Chattanooga and Atlanta. One thing

779
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:56.600
is certain, though, upon arrival
and said capital the Empire of the Cusa

780
01:12:56.680 --> 01:13:00.039
came out to meet Soto with great
pomp and circumstance, only to have Sodo

781
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:05.479
immediately take the man captive. Soda
then took what food he could, and

782
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:10.119
then he plus the emperor, who
was a good hostage, continued south.

783
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:15.880
On September the sixteenth, the army
reached Talisi, near Childersburg, Alabama,

784
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:23.840
about fifteen miles southeast of Birmingham.
This was probably the last town under control

785
01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:30.279
of the Kusa Empire. Here Soda
received several ambassadors from a nearby king named

786
01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:34.239
Tasca Lusa. Now here's the thing. It's not Tuscaloosa. I know.

787
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:40.039
That's really confusing, because there is
a Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and it is

788
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:43.680
really tempting to think that the two
names are associated with each other, but

789
01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:50.920
they're not. Tascalousca was the king
of the Atahachee, who were considered feared

790
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:59.520
warriors. Sodo would soon learn the
veracity of that reputation here. At this

791
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:02.800
point, Soto also let the Cusa
emperor, who he was still toting around,

792
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:05.920
go back home, given that he
was no longer of any use.

793
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:13.800
And it's really hard to document just
how devastating Sodo's march through the Cusa territory

794
01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:17.640
was to the people there. What
we can say is that when another expedition

795
01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:25.239
comes the same way about twenty years
later, they found a land essentially diminished

796
01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:30.319
to nothing. The population density that
existed when Sodo marched through the head evaporated.

797
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:36.439
Odds are that disease brought by Soto
or possibly other European contacts, were

798
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:42.600
out most of the devastation. By
the sixteen seventies, when the British started

799
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:46.039
exploring the region, there was simply
nothing left of any of these high Mississippian

800
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:51.239
civilizations, and these, of course, were the true losers of Soto's expedition.

801
01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:58.359
As Sodo headed south, King Taskaloosa
of the Atahatchie weighed his options about

802
01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:01.359
what to do with these powerful,
deadly strangers moving toward him, with the

803
01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:08.600
inevitability of a tornado gathering to vent
its fury. But Tescaloosa probably knew more

804
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:13.079
in advance about the strangers than most
of the Mississippian rulers, because he had

805
01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:16.119
already met a European, actually,
a Greek man had wandered through. His

806
01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:23.279
name was Doroteo Diadoro, which is
fascinating because it's basically flipped. I've never

807
01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:27.960
seen a name like that before.
Regardless. Thirteen years later, this Greek

808
01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.159
man had become a castaway on the
coast of the South during the desperate voyage

809
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:39.199
of Panfilo de Navarez, the last
failed effort to conquer La Florida. Later

810
01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:44.319
on, Cabesa de Vaca explained how
he had disappeared, he being Dado when

811
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:47.880
Navarez's fleet sent him to fetch water
in the vicinity of what is today Mobile

812
01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:55.439
Bay. Nothing was known about his
fate until the Indians showed Soto a small

813
01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:59.760
dagger that had belonged to this Greek
man, who had apparently lived for a

814
01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:05.439
period of time in the Adahachee town
of Piachi. Whether or not King Tascalusa

815
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:11.319
actually met Teodoro is not known,
but it seems likely that the king would

816
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:15.920
have at least received a detailed report
about this stranger and about the Spaniards that

817
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:23.800
he came with, But this information
would have been misleading to Tascalusca because Navarez's

818
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:29.680
shabby fleet and emaciated army probably could
not have provided anywhere close to an accurate

819
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:34.840
example of what the Spanish could do
in battle. Tascalusa may also have received

820
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:41.600
sketchy reports about Navarez's routing by the
Appalachi in Florida, and over the past

821
01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:47.319
few weeks about Sodo's largely peaceful march
through Chiaha, all of which probably contributed

822
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:50.800
to the course of action which was
about to be taken. With regard to

823
01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:58.439
these new visitors, there is evidence
that the Adahachee dynasty of Tascalusa had only

824
01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:02.960
ruled for two or three generation.
Still, there's no evidence whatsoever that Tascaloosa's

825
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:08.560
hold on power was anything but absolute. We know next to nothing about the

826
01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:13.119
city of Adahachee itself, other than
had a plaza and one temple mound.

827
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:18.520
What we do know is that while
Tascaloosa welcomed Soto upon his arrival to the

828
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:25.960
city, the Indian king was already
planning a devastating sneak attack on the newcomers.

829
01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:32.399
This suggests that Tascaloosa's military understanding and
abilities were at the very least significantly

830
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:39.319
advanced. On October the tenth,
Soda arrived in the capital of the Adahachie,

831
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:44.359
which is also just called Adahachie.
Here, Soda was greeted warmly,

832
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:48.920
and that evening sat down with Tascaloosa
at a great banquet. Soda at this

833
01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:54.680
point probably thought that this would be
nothing but another pleasant march through another Mississippian

834
01:17:54.760 --> 01:18:00.760
kingdom. When Sodo demanded food,
porters and women, his usual refrain arrival

835
01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:06.159
in an indigenous kingdom, Taskaluska gave
him several hundred porters, but rebuffed his

836
01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:12.119
other demands for the moment. Sodo
left the next day with his army,

837
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:16.439
but as they marched away, Taskaluska
was sending orders for his warriors to assemble

838
01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:23.279
at another one of his towns,
Mabia, further south. It took Soto

839
01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:28.359
six days of marching, but he
ultimately reached Mabia. There, several within

840
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:31.920
Sodo's camp warned him from entering the
town, but Sodo dismissed to the warnings.

841
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:35.319
He said he was tired of sleeping
in a camp. He wanted to

842
01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:41.279
sleep inside the wall town, which
was situated on a plane. We can't

843
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:48.199
say today exactly where Mabia was,
only that given Sodo's presence speed, it

844
01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:57.039
should have been about where Selma,
Alabama is today. When Sodo arrived in

845
01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.800
Mabia, he received the welcome that
he was used to. He and his

846
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:05.199
parties soon found themselves having a good
time, entertained by Indian dancers as the

847
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:13.720
King Tascalousa and his nobles chatted amiably, and everyone feasted and drained fermentmented beverages

848
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:16.840
and just generally had a good time. But one of the historians along with

849
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:21.840
the expedition then explains what happened next, saying that Tuscaloosa went to a hut

850
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:28.239
where his aids were holding a secret
council of war quote when Tuscalousa was among

851
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:30.720
his captains and the chief men of
his army, and he told them that

852
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:34.960
they must come quickly, whether they
would immediately cut the throats of the Spaniards

853
01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:39.800
who were there in the pueblo and
of the others after them as they arrived,

854
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:45.760
or whether they would wait until all
of those had come quote. For

855
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:48.640
a long time, the council argued
over which option was best, until the

856
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:54.079
King Tascaloosa, rising to his full
height, threw his weight behind, killing

857
01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:59.159
at once any Spaniards who came within
their power. He then issued the order

858
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:02.560
to his troops in the houses around
the plaza to attack Soto and his party

859
01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:10.000
immediately. Eyewitnesses now report only that
Taskaloosa slipped away into a nearby house and

860
01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:14.800
then refused to come out when Soto
asked him, telling Sodo that quote,

861
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:16.520
he would not come out of there, and he would not leave that town

862
01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:21.319
end quote. Then, according to
the same historian, Taskaloosa issued a warning

863
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:27.039
quote, if Sodo wished to go
in peace, he should go immediately and

864
01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:30.760
should not insist on trying to take
him out of his lands and dominion by

865
01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:34.680
force. End quote. At this
point, according to the chroniclers, those

866
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:39.720
Spaniards began looking around the town and
realized that the houses were not empty as

867
01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:45.199
they had assumed, but filled with
Indian soldiers armed for battle. Some of

868
01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:48.439
the members of Sodo's guard, his
personal guard, first noticed things were amiss

869
01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:54.680
when they saw natives hiding bundles of
arrows and bows secretly, and some palm

870
01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:59.640
leaves. This sent them rushing back
to Warren Soto, who must have frowned

871
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:02.640
as he grabbed his helmet and strapped
it on while ordering the guard to fetch

872
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:08.520
the horses as quickly as they could. At about this time, one of

873
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:12.600
Sodo's lieutenants was trying to get Tuscaloosa
to come out of the hut. He

874
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.560
grabbed a nearby noble and demanded to
bring Tuscaloosa to him. When a man

875
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:23.239
refused, he cut his arm off. The battle began moments later when the

876
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:29.239
Indians answered Sodo's repeated demands for Tuscaloosa's
return by suddenly bursting out of the houses

877
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:33.920
and swarming into the streets and plaza
Mabia, shouting war cries and brandishing clubs,

878
01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:38.680
maces, and loaded bows. This
was it. This was the moment

879
01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:44.520
for the expedition. According to one
source quote, immediately the Indians came out,

880
01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:48.359
charging towards Sodo's position and leaping up
to man the walls and towers guarding

881
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:54.680
the city endote. Depending on what
account you believe, Tuscaloosa had a hidden

882
01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:58.840
three thousand, five thousand, or
maybe even eleven thousand warriors and huts,

883
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:02.439
which he now threw against Hernando de
Soto, his small aids and group of

884
01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:08.359
bodyguards. These men found themselves suddenly
cut off from the city's gates and from

885
01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:12.920
the rest of the Spanish army,
which remained sprawled out across several miles along

886
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:16.920
the Alabama River. Soto and his
party were fully armed, but they found

887
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:21.600
themselves engaged in the situation very unfavorable
to their style of fighting, which of

888
01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:27.199
course was cavalry based. They were
trapped in a cramped fortress town, with

889
01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:32.159
their horses across the plaza and masses
of Mississippians surging toward them, eager to

890
01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:36.640
engage them using a close style of
fighting that they excelled in. During the

891
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:42.720
first few confusing minutes of the fight, five Spaniards of Soto's guard were struck

892
01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:46.279
down by arrows and a crush of
well aimed blows from maces. The others

893
01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:51.520
survived this initial wave of attackers,
though some were wounded. Soto too was

894
01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:56.880
hit with some twenty arrows, though
none penetrated his heavily quilted armor as he

895
01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:00.720
hacked back and forth of his sword. As the Baniards fought to free themselves

896
01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:05.279
and escape out of the gate,
two of them, Rodrigo Ranelle and jue

897
01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:10.279
Mendez de Solis, a member of
Soto's guard, managed to fight their way

898
01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:14.680
to two of the horses tethered across
the plaza. So Lise was shot dead

899
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:17.960
as he climbed into one of the
saddles, but Rangell, as himself relates,

900
01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:23.960
managed to mount his horse and rear
it up against the Attahachee This caused

901
01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:28.119
the charging Indians to pause long enough
for Soto to dash over to another mount

902
01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:32.119
and jump into the saddle. Soto
could have then escaped the city through a

903
01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:36.479
nearby gate, but this was not
his style. Instead, he turned abruptly

904
01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:41.239
back into the fray, blasting into
the midst of the Indians to clear a

905
01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:45.760
path for bloodied bodyguards to follow him. This was what the conquist the Dords

906
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:50.359
were famous for. This was their
principal tactic, a sudden, aggressive thrust

907
01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:57.359
forward into the midst of unarmored Indians. Miraculously, Soto and most of the

908
01:23:57.399 --> 01:24:01.000
remaining guards escaped Mabila alive, battling
their way to the gate, where they

909
01:24:01.079 --> 01:24:05.279
ran out into the surrounding fields and
raised the alarm among the soldiers then arriving

910
01:24:05.319 --> 01:24:10.640
at the outskirts of town. However, they were forced to lead behind a

911
01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:14.840
priest and some of Soto's servants who
were holed up to a house. They

912
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:19.640
were all killed As Soto and his
party retreated in chaos. The Indians made

913
01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:24.840
a move that would later proved disastrous
for the Spaniards. They invited the armor's

914
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:30.000
porters to join them in the new
bloody fight. Having stopped not far from

915
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:32.960
Abea's walls. These Indians, some
of them at a Hatchee warriors pressed into

916
01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:39.039
service just two days earlier, and
others from as far away as Florida,

917
01:24:39.239 --> 01:24:44.600
responded eagerly to the defender's request.
They sit down their loads, helped each

918
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:47.119
other, strike off their chains,
and grabbed weapons from the stockpiles in the

919
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:53.279
cities. In fact, they went
through the army's own baggage, grabbing weapons,

920
01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:58.079
clothes, and everything from iron pots
to leather shoes. Shortly thereafter,

921
01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:01.279
the Indians quote closed the gates to
the town and began to beat their drums,

922
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:05.159
to raise banners with a great yell, and open the trunks and bundles

923
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:10.119
to display on top of the wall
all that the Spaniards had brought end quote

924
01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:14.760
out of the field. The Spaniards
were in disarray as Sodo, probably looking

925
01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:17.439
like a porcupine with arrows sticking out
from his armor, galloped hard to the

926
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:23.920
nearest soldiers, shouting them furiously to
get ready to defend themselves. The governor

927
01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:28.399
then organized a troop to encircle the
town to prevent any Indians from escaping,

928
01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:32.279
taking an additional sixty or eighty men
to form into four squadrons so that he

929
01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:38.119
could assault the town on four sides
as well. Liss was Sodo at his

930
01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:42.680
finess. This was Sodo at his
worst also, and this is pure conquistador

931
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:48.920
surrounded with innumerable odds, where the
intelligent thing to do for any military commander

932
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:54.439
would be strategic retreat or withdrawal.
What is Sodo going to do. He's

933
01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:58.560
going to do what the conquistador would
do. He's going to charge right back

934
01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:03.279
into the numbers. According to one
historian, the signal for the Spanish counterassault

935
01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:08.640
was the blast of an arquebus,
which boomed over the Alabama planes as the

936
01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:14.800
four squadrons threw themselves against the palisaded
town. The Indians repelled this onslaught,

937
01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:18.239
with the Spaniards pulling back in exhaustion, most of them so tired from the

938
01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:24.720
unexpected combat after weeks of comparative inactivity, that they paused for a moment to

939
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:28.760
assuage their thirst from a nearby pond. They only stopped when they realized that

940
01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:31.800
the pond was already soaked in blood
from the earlier parts of the combat.

941
01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:38.319
After this brief pause, the Spaniards
attacked again and again, and this give

942
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:43.159
and take of Spanish attacks and Indian
peris continued throughout the afternoon. According to

943
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:46.640
one why witness, the Indians quote
fought with so much spirit that they drove

944
01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:53.640
us the Spaniards outside again and again
end quote. Another witness adds that at

945
01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:58.319
one point the Indians even tried an
offensive thrust outside their walls, rushing out

946
01:26:58.359 --> 01:27:00.960
as the Spaniards appeared to be falling
back, but this was only a ruse

947
01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:05.520
by Soto to try to draw the
mount which failed when the defenders quickly retreated

948
01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:11.800
back behind their walls. It was
during this action that another witness reports one

949
01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:15.479
of the army's favorite captains was killed, one of Soto's in laws, Don

950
01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:18.439
Carlo Sonriquez. He had stopped to
pull an arrow out of his horse in

951
01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:21.560
front of the city wall, only
to be struck by another in the neck

952
01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:26.800
between his armor's collar and the bottom
of his helmet, According to one witness,

953
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:32.039
quote, asking for confession, he
fell dead. The battle continued well

954
01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:35.880
into the autumn afternoon, though as
more and more Spanish troops heard the alarm

955
01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:42.399
and rushed forward as reinforcements, it
soon became clear that once more European arms

956
01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:46.840
and armaments would prevail Repeatedly, they
threw themselves against the walls, hacking with

957
01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:51.159
swords and axes against the plaster,
cane and branches. Each time they were

958
01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:56.560
beaten back, only to return to
hack away more of it. Finally,

959
01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:59.920
as the afternoon waned, they breached
the wall enough for a few men to

960
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:04.000
Russian side and set the nearest houses
on fire. Instantly, the flames caught

961
01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:09.119
on the cane thatch roof as a
deadly wall of fire exploded across the city,

962
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:14.279
and in a flash, heat and
smoke shattered the Indians defense. Hundreds

963
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:17.960
of Atatachee were trapped and obliterated by
the flames within minutes. The rest ran

964
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:23.039
for their lives, either into the
central plaza or over the walls and the

965
01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:28.960
fields outside. Either option brought the
warriors face to face with Spanish swords as

966
01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:32.199
SODA's cavalry stood ready to cut them
down in what devolved into a massacre,

967
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:38.359
like the slaughter at Kajamarca, when
Sodo and his outriders spent the night of

968
01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:43.960
Atahuelpas captured killing Inca, but unlike
the Peruvians, the Atahachee had fought on

969
01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:47.760
until the cause became so hopeless that
a great number of them committed suicide by

970
01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:53.680
fleeing quote into the burning houses were
piled up on top of one another.

971
01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:59.199
They were suffocated and burned to death
due. This battle, one of the

972
01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:03.520
bloodiest fought in five centuries of warfare
between Europeans and Indians on what would become

973
01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:10.239
United States. Soil ended at sunset, with Mabia in flames and heaps of

974
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:15.119
Indians lying dead or dying as men
moaned and coughed and blood soaked the ground.

975
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:20.760
One of the last Indians died as
twilight came and the first cool breeze

976
01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:27.359
of night blew over the battlefield.
It happened as a group of Spaniards,

977
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:31.279
themselves wounded and exhausted and drenched in
blood and sweat, chanced to look up

978
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:39.159
on what remained of Maybea's smoldering ramparts. There they saw an Indian warrior wake

979
01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:43.279
up after lying unconscious for most of
the battle, reviving just as a line

980
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:46.479
of fire was closing in on him, threatening to burn him alive. The

981
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:50.479
men desperately tried to escape the flames
by running up a bastion, only to

982
01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:55.479
look out into the plain, where
he saw heaps of dead Indians and units

983
01:29:55.520 --> 01:30:00.479
of Spanish cavalry, chasing down those
still alive and running them through lances.

984
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:04.880
Overwhelmed by despair and what he probably
knew was the end of his people and

985
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:13.600
their civilization, this unnamed Mississippian quickly
unstrung his bowstring, and before the Spaniards

986
01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:16.439
watching him could scramble up the wall
to stop him, threw it over the

987
01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:21.039
branch of a nearby tree, wrapped
it around his neck, and hung himself.

988
01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:50.399
We have no idea how many Native
Americans died at Mabia, but the

989
01:30:50.479 --> 01:30:56.239
next time that a European gets to
southern Alabama, nineteen years later, the

990
01:30:56.319 --> 01:31:03.279
only trace of Tasca Lusca's kingdom was
few survivors amongst the ruins of Atahachee.

991
01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:09.119
All that night, Sodo writhed in
pain from the injuries he sustained in the

992
01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:14.239
battle, a reminder both of the
battle's ferocity and of his own foolishness for

993
01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:17.439
getting himself ensnared in the ambush in
the first place. He was, of

994
01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:23.680
course lucky. Eighteen to twenty five
Spaniards died one of the worst battles for

995
01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:28.600
European and the New World up to
that point, but the most devastating loss

996
01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:32.279
was the complete destruction of the army's
baggage train, which had burned to the

997
01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:39.199
ground in the midst of the fire. Soto now desperately needed to get back

998
01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:44.880
to his ships. Now. Interestingly, our chroniclers offered differing accounts about whether

999
01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:47.960
or not the army even found the
ships. One claims that Soto did hear

1000
01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:51.880
about them from Indians on the coast, who sent word to his translator,

1001
01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:57.159
Juan Ortiz, that the Spanish vessels
were at Anchor six days march to the

1002
01:31:57.159 --> 01:32:02.079
south. This chronicler insists, though, that Soto did not contact the fleet,

1003
01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:08.520
worried that his men might desert him
and return to Cuba. Accordingly,

1004
01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:13.239
the governor arranged that the translator should
be quiet about it and make sure that

1005
01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:17.479
none of the items of value make
their way to the ships. Now there's

1006
01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:23.319
another story here, though. There's
a different chronicler that tells us that Soto

1007
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:27.560
did mention the existence of the ships
to his men, but refuse to let

1008
01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:32.680
anyone make contact with them. This
historian gives us a reason that has nothing

1009
01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:39.960
to do with fear of desertion.
He says Soto vetoed the request because the

1010
01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:45.840
army was low on provisions, this
man writes, quote, many wish that

1011
01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:49.159
the governor would go to see because
they the Indians gave us news to the

1012
01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:54.520
Brigantines. But he did not dare
to go to the ships because the month

1013
01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:58.920
of November was already half over and
it was very cold, and he felt

1014
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:02.479
it advisable to look for a land
where he might find provisions in order to

1015
01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:08.239
be able to winter end quote.
But this seems like an odd reason.

1016
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:14.039
Even if there was a scarcity of
food in southern Alabama, it seems incredible

1017
01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:18.079
that Sodo would move off his current
position without contacting the captain of the fleet

1018
01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:26.399
or offloading desperately needed supplies that might
help alleviate the lack of provisions. Nor

1019
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:30.199
does it seem likely that if the
army knew about the ships, someone didn't

1020
01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:33.880
slip away to try to find them
beg passage to Cuba, something that the

1021
01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:40.119
commander of the fleet is adamant later
on did not happen, And curiously,

1022
01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:45.960
a third of our contemporary historians,
the ones who are writing as Sodo's traveling,

1023
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:50.479
he doesn't mention the ships at all, which is a perplexing omission given

1024
01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:56.560
that this man was Soto's secretary and
he would have been far more likely to

1025
01:33:56.600 --> 01:34:01.359
know about the ships than anyone else. I suspect the real reason that Hernando

1026
01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:06.119
de Soto turned away from the ships
was because he continued to believe in the

1027
01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:13.399
dream of an Eldorado. He continued
to believe in his ultimate success. The

1028
01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:18.039
thing that I think perplex's most historians
is why did Soto's men continue to follow

1029
01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:25.399
him after the disaster at Mabia.
Only one historians suggests that there was any

1030
01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:30.720
true dissension in the army, and
he recounts a story about half baked mutiny

1031
01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:35.159
led by the Royal treasurer in a
story that rings about as true as any

1032
01:34:35.399 --> 01:34:40.640
in the narrative that he wrote.
The same man was in Peru. He

1033
01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:45.960
describes Hernando de Soto after Mabia is
facing an army quote frightened and disturbed by

1034
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:50.920
the incredible ferocity of the battle end
quote, with a sizeable number of men

1035
01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:55.520
now wishing to quote leave the land
and go away from it as soon as

1036
01:34:55.560 --> 01:35:00.960
they could. A few of these
grumblers conspired to desert to the to look

1037
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:04.680
for whatever ships they could find.
However, before they could leave, their

1038
01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:11.760
plan was leaked to the governor Desto
quote. This man says that Dosto actually

1039
01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:15.800
disguised himself, which is this is
kind of crazy to investigate the allegations personally.

1040
01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:20.039
So I guess hernandode Soto like shaved
really quickly or put on like a

1041
01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:24.760
fake beard or something and pretended to
be, you know, just some common

1042
01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:28.520
joe walking around. What do you
guys think of the captain? No mutiny

1043
01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:30.479
which probably killed that guy, you
know, I just can't imagine that.

1044
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:35.159
That just seems like something out of
a really really bad comedy, reduction of

1045
01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:41.920
this entire investigation. But according to
one historian, it absolutely happened. And

1046
01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:45.000
it turns out that he found out
that his men did want to leave,

1047
01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:49.840
and this man wrote, quote this
hurt the governor exceedingly, for he understood

1048
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:55.079
from these words that his army was
disintegrating and that his men, in finding

1049
01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:59.359
a place to go, would all
desert him. End quote. So it's

1050
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:02.920
kind of interesting that the iron willed
de Soto at the very end of his

1051
01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:06.439
life, because we are getting close
to the end of it here wounds up

1052
01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:12.319
just feeling personally really upset by the
things that his men are saying, not

1053
01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:15.920
that this might imperil the expedition.
From a strategic perspective, but he almost

1054
01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:19.439
seems to believe at this point that
the only thing that he has going is

1055
01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:24.800
this personal charisma and belief that everything's
going to be okay. And when that

1056
01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:29.439
starts to get rattled for the first
time, he starts to maybe wonder about

1057
01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:32.119
the wisdom of all of this,
if only he would have gone to the

1058
01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:39.199
ships. But by mid November winter
was fast approaching. The army finally began

1059
01:36:39.239 --> 01:36:43.840
to limp along inland in search of
food to pillage. They crossed the Alabama

1060
01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:49.119
River near Selma and continued northwest.
Desperate for food, Soto's army now effectively

1061
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:57.439
lurches from village to village like locusts, eating anything and everything available. By

1062
01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:00.720
early December, the rain and snow
had now begun and matters were getting desperate.

1063
01:37:01.359 --> 01:37:05.880
Soto managed to find another native civilization, this time called the Chicasa,

1064
01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:12.039
not Chickasaw, Chikasa, with whom
the army stayed through the winter as very

1065
01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:16.520
much uninvited guests. So too remained
there until early March when the snows cleared.

1066
01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:20.399
Once the Spanish were on the move, that Chikasa had their revenge.

1067
01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:28.439
However, like Tascaloosa, Chikasa planned
a nighttime sneak attack. Their warriors trailed

1068
01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:31.159
Soto's army until what night. They
set the roofs of the houses the Spaniards

1069
01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:35.520
were staying in on fire. When
the Spaniards ran out to the warriors attacked.

1070
01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:43.000
Fortunately for Sodo that Chikasa were so
successful in their initial attack that the

1071
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:47.000
horses got loose, and this so
spooked the natives that they abruptly broke off

1072
01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:51.359
their attack. Had they not,
Sodo almost certainly would have perished that very

1073
01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:58.279
night. As it were, any
baggage Tascaloosa had not destroyed was now lost

1074
01:37:58.319 --> 01:38:02.720
forever. Sodo responded with immediate action. He moved his men three miles away

1075
01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:08.279
and prepared for another attack. It
never came, but the men were now

1076
01:38:08.319 --> 01:38:13.039
absolutely miserable from lack of food and
the bitter cold. After a week,

1077
01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:17.119
the Chicasa finally attacked again, but
Sodo was ready and the attack was easily

1078
01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:24.840
repulsed, and so the army kept
moving. Finally, on May eighth,

1079
01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:28.920
fifteen forty one, the army came
out of the wilderness and stood atop a

1080
01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:35.600
low bluff. Below them stretched the
mighty Mississippi River. Interestingly, those Europeans

1081
01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:41.680
who first gazed down upon the river
had no idea of its importance. They

1082
01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:45.399
only marveled at the river's size.
I do want to say, by the

1083
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:51.880
way, there are a lot of
conflicting claims now by different historians as to

1084
01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:58.000
who saw the Mississippi River first.
In terms of Europeans, for a long

1085
01:38:58.079 --> 01:39:02.840
time, Hernando de Soto was credited
as being the first European to quote unquote

1086
01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:08.479
discover the Mississippi River. But I
do want to point out now those claims

1087
01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:12.880
have subsequently been hotly disputed. I'm
not sure that we have a final conclusion

1088
01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:17.199
yet. The men who are with
Sodo were happier, frankly to see a

1089
01:39:17.279 --> 01:39:20.760
town down the river, about thirty
miles to the south of Memphis, with

1090
01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:26.479
ripening fields of corn. The corn
they could eat the Mississippi, while pretty

1091
01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:31.119
they couldn't. For nearly a month, Sodo's half starved army rested under shade

1092
01:39:31.119 --> 01:39:36.439
trees along the Mississippi. They ate
local corn and roasted a huge aquatic beast

1093
01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:43.439
the Spaniards called a bagrey, but
which we now know today is a catfish.

1094
01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:47.079
Sodo's engineers worked to construct four flat
bottom rafts to take the army across

1095
01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:51.960
the river. The engineers finished the
rafts on June the seventeenth and crossed the

1096
01:39:53.039 --> 01:39:58.439
river that very night. Soto had
now reached the final state in what would

1097
01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:03.359
be the United States that he would
ever see, Arkansas. His goal right

1098
01:40:03.399 --> 01:40:08.640
now remained the same, find an
indigenous community he could leach off of and

1099
01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:13.840
buy more time for his army to
recover. Soto moved north after crossing the

1100
01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:17.439
river, staying in Pachaca, the
home of yet another Native American band.

1101
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:23.560
He stayed there for about a month, all the while continuing to reconnoiter the

1102
01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:28.600
area looking for gold. Never giving
up on his dream. He left there

1103
01:40:28.600 --> 01:40:32.640
in late July and turned south.
His army was now no longer able to

1104
01:40:32.640 --> 01:40:40.159
move great distances without regular stomping,
and this time traveling perhaps fifty miles around

1105
01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:45.760
twenty one days. It's hard to
see what Soto's purpose is at this point,

1106
01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:50.439
other than simply to keep moving forward. If you look at a map

1107
01:40:50.520 --> 01:40:58.119
right now, he's basically zig zagging
between the Mississippi River and the Arkansas River,

1108
01:40:59.039 --> 01:41:02.319
moving from river to river or stream
to stream, really with no discernible

1109
01:41:02.359 --> 01:41:08.600
goal or object. And so it
was on September fourteenth, he reached the

1110
01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:17.640
Arkansas River proper. On September the
fourteenth, a Wednesday Whig party came to

1111
01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:23.079
a quote unquote large river, the
Arkansas, which one of the men said

1112
01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:29.159
flowed into the Mississippi. By now, the weight of Soto's gathering failure must

1113
01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:33.039
have been bearing down on him.
Indeed, the better realization that he was

1114
01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:38.119
not going to be successful must have
confronted him every time he looked in the

1115
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:43.039
starving faces of his men, or
watched the unsteady gait of the lean horses,

1116
01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:48.000
scarred by battle wounds and bites from
swarms of insects, and ridiculously armored

1117
01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:54.239
now and dried hides of buffalo.
But the forty one year old kept going.

1118
01:41:55.159 --> 01:41:59.640
In mid September, they reached the
tilled fields and small villages of the

1119
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:04.319
US, most likely arriving at the
Arkansas River about thirty miles north of Little

1120
01:42:04.399 --> 01:42:10.680
Rock. He entered this verdant valley, where the river flows slightly flanked on

1121
01:42:10.760 --> 01:42:15.119
the north and south by tree clad
mountains and hills that fade into the distant,

1122
01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:19.840
hazy expanse of purple and green.
Soto continued to press on down the

1123
01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:26.359
valley, sending out parties scouting as
far west now as Oklahoma, a few

1124
01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:30.439
miles from what is Fort Smith,
Arkansas. There, the Spaniards found themselves

1125
01:42:30.640 --> 01:42:35.039
entering a brand new topography, if
anything they had seen before, what looked

1126
01:42:35.039 --> 01:42:40.239
like a sea of grass, where
the soil was chalkier, less rich,

1127
01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:43.880
the land was flat, and there
seemed to be so little water that no

1128
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:48.199
trees could grow. Obviously, it
was a place unsuited for any sort of

1129
01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:55.119
large scale Indian kingdoms or empires,
and nor was there any evidence of any

1130
01:42:55.159 --> 01:43:00.439
ocean anywhere nearby. Faced with the
reality of dead ends to the west and

1131
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:06.720
north, even Soto had to admit
that this expedition had finally reached the end

1132
01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:12.199
of the line, but he was
still not ready to give up, having

1133
01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:18.760
one final card to play. Nearby
were the Okawachee Mountains, a steep,

1134
01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:26.159
rocky range that no doubt reminded Soto
of his time in Nicaragua, Hoduras and

1135
01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:30.640
then also in Peru. In these
places, the Spaniards had found traces of

1136
01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:36.279
gold and streams and in shallow,
narrow veins. Praying that these mountains too

1137
01:43:36.560 --> 01:43:42.199
contained gold nuggets, he ordered his
men on the eighteenth of October to go

1138
01:43:42.279 --> 01:43:45.960
into the Ochatchee Foothills, where he
wandered about For the next five days.

1139
01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:51.439
They sifted through the silt of creeks
and rivers, but every single time the

1140
01:43:51.520 --> 01:44:00.000
men came up empty. On October
twenty third, he reluctantly left the mountains

1141
01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:04.680
marched quickly back to Arkansas, now
not interested in gold, but only finding

1142
01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:09.760
a well provisioned town within which to
pass the winter. The Army's third in

1143
01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:15.399
North America, Sodo had now finally
made a decision, the decision he should

1144
01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:18.079
have made a long time ago.
He planned to go back to the Mississippi

1145
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:23.199
River, establish a base where it
met the ocean, and then returned to

1146
01:44:23.239 --> 01:44:28.600
Cuba to prepare another expedition. Great
idea, Too bad it was just about

1147
01:44:28.600 --> 01:44:33.680
three years too late. Ironically,
at almost the exact same time, the

1148
01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:40.239
expedition, which had left Mexico under
Francisco de Coronado, was in Central Kansas

1149
01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:45.119
and itself on the verge of giving
up. Hence, the two failed quests

1150
01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:49.359
for gold were only seven hundred miles
apart, even though there's no evidence either

1151
01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:55.960
knew of the presence of the other. Near Redfield, Arkansas, about twenty

1152
01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:59.920
miles south of Little Rock, Sodo
and his men spent another terrible winter.

1153
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:04.680
During this winter, Sodo lost his
translator, who died of illness. If

1154
01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:08.720
you looked around at the faces of
his men at this point, I'm sure

1155
01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:13.399
one thing would be clear. No
one expected to get out alive, not

1156
01:45:13.479 --> 01:45:18.600
anymore. On March sixth, fifteen
forty two, the snows ended and Sodo

1157
01:45:18.680 --> 01:45:23.479
began the march towards the Mississippi.
He was now desperate to get back to

1158
01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:27.079
the Gulf of Mexico, find his
ships, and make it back to Spain.

1159
01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:31.359
Sadly, he had no idea how
far he truly was from the gulf.

1160
01:45:32.319 --> 01:45:36.880
By mid April, he reached present
day Arkansas City, which he thought

1161
01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:43.039
was close to the gulf, but
which is in reality one hundred and seventy

1162
01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:48.159
five miles north of the Gulf of
Mexico. The locals told Sodo such,

1163
01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:54.600
but by now he was far too
delusional to believe them. By late April,

1164
01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:59.800
Sodo was racked by fever. By
mid May, it was clear he

1165
01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:04.840
was going to die. In mid
May fifteen forty two, Soto's fever was

1166
01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:10.640
racking his forty two year old frame, turning him gaunt and pale. What

1167
01:46:10.760 --> 01:46:15.800
he felt as he slipped farther into
delusions of fever we don't know. Gathering

1168
01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:18.760
his close friends together, he told
them quote, he was about to give

1169
01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:24.720
them an accounting before the throne of
God of all his past life end quote,

1170
01:46:25.560 --> 01:46:30.319
though the witness tells us he didn't
seem particularly concerned about this. Indeed,

1171
01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:34.039
he was dying the way he had
lived, worshiping his warrior God,

1172
01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:39.680
and undoubtedly feeling as though he had
served Spain and the God, well,

1173
01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:45.159
of course, was Spanish. He
thanked his remaining soldiers for remaining loyal despite

1174
01:46:45.199 --> 01:46:50.000
all their hardships. He asked them
to forgive any offense they might have received

1175
01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:55.159
from them. His men, in
turn, begged him to choose a successor.

1176
01:46:56.359 --> 01:47:00.840
Sodo named his old comrade from Peru, Luis do Mosoko, probably because

1177
01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:06.800
he knew his old friend was a
savvy leader and anxious to get out slowly

1178
01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:13.840
and quietly. Hernando de Soto receded
deeper into fever. Then, on May

1179
01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:20.479
the twenty first, fifteen forty two, he died. Luis de Mosoko and

1180
01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:26.439
a small band of Sodo's friends disinterred
him and carried his body to one of

1181
01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:30.920
the army's dugouts at the river's edge, they loaded the already rotting corpse of

1182
01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:35.600
the Governor of La Florida into a
large hollow log and carried it out to

1183
01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:41.960
the middle of the river. There, in really what was an almost impossibly

1184
01:47:42.039 --> 01:47:46.479
poetic finale to this guy's life,
his friends heaved the log containing his body

1185
01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:51.560
into the swirling, writhing rivers of
the Mississippi, where it quickly sank beneath

1186
01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:57.479
the surface, plunging him to the
depths of the river. Hernando de Soto

1187
01:47:57.520 --> 01:48:02.039
supposedly discovered. It took more than
a year for Luis de Mosoko to lead

1188
01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:08.239
the remnant of Sodo army out of
left Florida and to return three hundred and

1189
01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:13.520
eleven of them safely to Mexico.
He tried to march overland one thousand miles

1190
01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:17.319
across Arkansas in Texas, but turned
back near modern day Dallas, where the

1191
01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:23.399
country was too dry and sparsely populated
to feed and maintain his army. In

1192
01:48:23.399 --> 01:48:27.800
September fourteen ninety two, they arrived
back at the Mississippi, where Soto had

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died. Here they spent another winter
in a nearby city before building boats to

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float down the Mississippi. Harassed by
floods and fierce attack by Native Americans,

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Mosoko and his exhausted troop finally made
it to the Gulf. They then sailed

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to Mexico, astonishing the neighbors of
a town called Panuco by arriving on September

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tenth, fifteen forty three, after
having been long ago e'ven up for dead.

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Hernando de Soto, in a lot
of ways, closes the book on

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the age of the Conquistador. There
will be other small expeditions, but his

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is really the last Spanish throw of
the dice in an effort to find another

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indigenous empire, another city of gold
somewhere in the Americas. By the middle

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of the sixteenth century, enough of
the Americas have been explored that Europeans have

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finally, perhaps quietly, perhaps reticently, accepted the fact that they're just simply

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who were no more kingdoms of Mexica. There were no more kingdoms of Inca

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worth conquering. From the middle to
the late sixteenth century. On the attitude

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towards the New World is going to
shift as we see less conquistador and more

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intrepid settlers who are trying to use
the land to produce luxury cash crops like

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tobacco and especially sugarcane that they can
sell, realizing that the gold itself was

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tapped out. I also think Hernando
de Soto is a cautionary tale from the

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age. I don't fault him at
first for what he was doing, although

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to us, of course, conquistadors
are horrifyingly brutal in their attitudes towards the

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first nations of the Americas. But
that being said, you have to remember

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her Non Cortez had discovered a wealthy
indigenous empire. Francisco Pizzato, whom Hernando

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de Soto worked with, also discovered
one. There's no indication whatsoever, given

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the size of the Americas that they
should have been tapped out of wealthy kingdom

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that Spaniards like DeSoto could have simply
leeched off of which is what his goal

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ultimately was. DeSoto just didn't realize
that there were no more empires at the

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end of the day. He didn't
understand that the way that Europeans needed to

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approach the Americas had to change time
and time again. Even his own men

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fault him for not building a settlement. He had tons of opportunities, and

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01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:34.359
the history of the Americas, especially
if we think about Georgia and the Carolinas,

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might have been very different. If
there's a thriving Spanish colony by the

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seventeenth century around what is Charleston,
that may very well check British advances in

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the region. Of course, there's
no way of knowing, but it's an

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01:51:51.359 --> 01:51:59.039
interesting historical what if Regardless, DeSoto
was working on the old model, which

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was fine, conquer take. Problem
was there was no one to conquer,

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There was nothing to take. He
just didn't know that yet. All right,

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Well, today's episode was a lot
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in the show notes as well.
Now, next time we are gear as

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we are actually for the first time
in months, going to move away from

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the Americas. We're going to go
back to Europe. And I want to

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now spend the next couple of weeks
talking about something that's been growing since the

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Age of Discovery got kicked off,
and that is the scientific revolution, the

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01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:25.760
early scientific revolution. So we're talking
about math, astronomy, Copernicus, Galileo,

1245
01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:31.720
take Obrahey, all of these people
who change the way dramatically that humankind

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sees the world, especially from a
European perspective. And don't worry, we're

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also going to talk about the reaction
to that, because for every Galileo,

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there's an inquisition, and it's important
to understand the ying and the yang Fo mite

