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Welcome everybody. I'm a great way
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what your country can do for you, at what you can do for your

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country. Mister Gerbatscheff, tear down
this wall, read my lifts. I

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think the unprecedented indictment of a former
president of the United States for a campaign

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finance issue is an outrage, and
I believe the American people will see this

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for what it is. It's the
Ricoche Pondcast with Peter Robinson and Rob Blond.

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I'm James Lilac and today we talked
to John. You anything more I

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need to say about that now,
So let samersels a podcast. America is

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a nation that can be defined in
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welcome everybody. This is the Ricoche
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it's episode number six hundred and thirty
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for. If you want to go
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people don't act like idiots under false
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All the time. It's a haven
sometimes, No, it's a haven all

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the time. I'm James Lilacs here
in Minneapolis, which is my haven.

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Eve though the skuys are slate gray
and we're expected to get five inches of

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snow, and Rob is in New
York, where I imagine it's fine and

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people are strolling about with you know, with the expectation of really, really

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chill, feel better. Peter,
I understand, has not been glimpsing the

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sun for days in California, but
now it's out, and so so we're

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all in a grand mood where we've
we've seen the end of March, We've

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got the hope of spring and April
and taxas ahead of us. What's there

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to do? Well, Naturally,
we're gonna have to talk about the indictments,

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all thirty thirty four of them.
But Johnny, who was going to

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be along shortly to discuss these things, because Bob knows what I can say

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about them, We could discuss the
other events of the week. I think

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the only thing really that stands out
right now, days later after the horrible

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shooting in Nashville is the argument about
whether or not this manifesto that the shooter

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left behind should be released. Usually
people say no, no, don't give

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them any publicity whatsoever. But then
there's the argument that says, well,

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there might be something to be gleaned
from this. As a matter of fact,

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there was something to be gleaned from
Ted Kazinski's manifesto. There are things

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that tell you the intellectual temper of
the times, even though they may be

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written by somebody who's who's plainly daft. What do you guys think, I

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don't don't leap to the mic.
No, I suppose. I suppose I'm

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thinking back to the unibomber. What
year was the unibomber? That was a

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long time ago, now, James
seems, uh, maybe you'd better just

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give us two sentences on who the
UNI bomber was. We're gonna the UNI

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bomber University an airline bomber, I
think it was. What it was was

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a guy with aviator glasses. According
to the description that out there for decades.

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It turns out he's a guy living
in a cabin who was bashing out

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these manifestos about what the machine age, the computer age, the technocratic age

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had done to humanity and civilization.
Some of his ideas have been taken up

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by people who say, you know, he had a point. Uh,

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he just went about it by planning
bombs and killing people and taking off their

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fingers and the rest of it.
Um. So yeah, I think it's

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David Gelertner. Yes, David.
He was a victim, right, he

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lost a digit or to to the
UNI bomber. And it's a fascinating tale

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because Kauzinski was a very was a
very smart man. Obviously twisted, but

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that doesn't mean that you you look
at what he said. He's not talking

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about snakes and ravens coming out of
a whole in the earth to devour this

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So I mean he's talking about issues
that we're still grappling with. So yes,

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I mean. My argument is I'd
like to see the manifesto, not

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to give the person any publicity,
but to just understand the tenor of the

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times when it comes to what's rattling
around the brains with some of these people

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on the unibomber. I have a
question that we will not be able to

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answer. Well, you can answer
yes or no, I suppose, but

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I want to set up a conversation
for a future show. Does either of

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you understand, I mean, even
at a rudimentary level, does either of

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you understand artificial intelligence? It?
Kind of? Yeah? Do you understand

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it well enough to understand why?
Some serious people, including Eric Schmidt and

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Henry Kissinger and who it is a
strange duo, but Eric Schmidt used to

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run Google. Henry Kissinger, of
course, is still with us at the

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age of one hundred, still writing, and they tell us the day I

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is very, very dangerous. Do
you understand enough about it to know why?

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Yes, you do, think,
uh huh, oh, yeah,

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I'm in favor of shutting the whole
damn thing down now, and I am

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almost in favor of can you give
us one paragraph on why it has absolutely

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the smarter it gets it as absolutely, there's no reason that it has any

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investment whatsoever, and the continuing existence
of humanity it's utterly irrelevant to it um.

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There's there's no reason to expect that
that what comes out of it at

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the end of it um is anything
other than inimicable to the human creative spark

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in human imagination and ingenuity. We
don't need it. So I'm a I'm

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a big tech guy. I'm a
big, Yes, bring it on.

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I'm a star trek. Give me
my flip phones, give me pickles,

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computers, all of that stuff I
do. But this, it beyond cannot

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tell me that this has not advanced
the advancement that we've seen since we started

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just hearing about this. The rapid
pains of it is hold on, stop,

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wait, slow it down before something
happens. I mean the example of

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the well anyway, rob, where
do you stand on this? I know

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you are not the band TikTok paranoid, no, I mean, but I

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just I don't like this. I
don't like this. I'm I'm a fatalist.

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Though. I don't think that you
can I don't think that you can

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go back. I don't think you
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as they say. So. I
mean, I feel like we have

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to figure out a way to live
with it. And I just think that

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living in general and being a human
and making decisions is being autonomous and having

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your human natural citizens sovereignty is just
going to take a little bit more,

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a lot more work going forward.
I think we've kind of been sleepwalking on

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it for a while, and we've
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for like, well, one of
the things, I don't have to think

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about it anymore. And I don't
think that you can ever not think about

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your own freedom and your own freedom
of choice and thought and speak and um,

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you know, just the your your
sovereign rights as a citizen. Up.

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Does this strike you as a society
that's in the mood for more work?

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Well, yeah, no, maybe
not, but I don't. The

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problem for me is that if you
if you attempt to ban something like this,

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this technology, then the only people
who will use it will be people

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who are smarter than you are,
and they'll continue to use it and we

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won't know it. And so there's
no, there's no banning is not a

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possible. Um, it's not part
of the of the decision array. So

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what's the decision? Right? It
may just have to be that we do

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more work. I mean, you
know, for you this is kind of

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a human problem. Definitely, it's
a cultural it's a modern cultural problem.

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Right. People are looking around and
saying, like, just thinking about people

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trying to lose weight. Um,
like if you just go on email or

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TikTok and just say or instagram,
Instagram is filled with weight loss infomercials,

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right basically, and they kind of
all say, you know, it's a

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lot easier than you think. It's
actually a lot easier than you think.

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And everybody knows, no, it's
not. You just have to eat less

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and that's hard for a lot of
people, including any more right and move

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more's I wants to do that.
It is very easier way. And the

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truth is that some things aren't easier. We just have thought we've convinced ourselves

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that they are they should be or
related morally, I shouldn't have to do

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this or that, And the truth
isn't. No, Like, some things

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are always going to be hard,
and it's always gonna be hard, especially

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as the world gets more busy and
noisy and there's more intrusions into our privacy

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just because everybody's closer to us than
they ever were before. It's just gonna

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be harder and harder and harder to
be a sovereign citizen. But that doesn't

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mean that we shouldn't do it.
That actually means it's better. Let me

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give you a test, Rob Here, are you a citizen in Manhattan?

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This is not the test. Yeah, this is not a test. This

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is a choice. Here's the choice. But then the next five to ten

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years you may have no traffic in
Manhattan. I'm not saying no cars.

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I'm saying no traffic jams, no
trouble parking, no traffic ams, Traffic

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moves smoothly. There's never another instance
of what did it used to be called

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before Rudy made it illegal? Gridlock? There's never another instance of gridlock.

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All right, here's the price you
have to pay. You will never be

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allowed to drive a car on the
island of Manhattan again. Do you take

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the deal? No? I mean, I don't know. I don't think

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so. I mean the interesting thing
about the traffic, I mean, there's

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a specific issue with traffic in Manhattan. It's interesting because a lot of these

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streets have been essentially slimmed by two
lanes because of the outdoor you know,

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COVID, you know, little dining
huts, and no one is really complained

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about it. It's more I think
that here's where I thought you were going

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with it, that you everyone can. You can have the most efficient commute

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ever in your car, and the
only thing you have to do is give

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up your right to choose your route
and for your right to keep your destination

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private because if the giant auto brain
knows where everybody's driving, it will be

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able to rout us in the most
efficient way. And the benefit of that

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is that actually, we have these
beautiful cars that seem to work, and

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they are really great, and they're
much more efficient in a lot of ways

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to get you where exactly where you
want to go than a train or a

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bus. Let's be honest. The
downside is that there's a million cars going

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different points. There's no organizational structure
to any of this, any of these

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sort of packets of people rather than
packets of information. So that's what WAGS

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is. So maybe maybe maybe we'll
need to here's the thought. Maybe we

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can invite David Learner. David and
I were David and I were exchanging emails

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about AI just the other day,
and he said, there are many benefits,

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and he listened some benefits, and
of course I'm not a founder of

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the discipline of computer science the way
he is. Some of it I couldn't

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follow. But he said, here's
the risk. I'm pretty sure that in

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twenty years you won't even have the
option of driving your own car. That's

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I think that's exactly right. That's
where this is going all right. And

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when they come, when they come
for your I mean I would say when

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they come for your rights, right, when people come for your your sovereignty

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and for your freedom, they don't
they I mean, they don't, they

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never they they they're sometime very reasonable. They sometimes come in jack boots and

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you know, brown shirts sometimes,
but mostly they come in friendship offering convenience.

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Yes, yes, and that is
the that is I think the thing

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we have to fight against. The
incremental dimmunution of liberty and agency will always

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be done by promising an ease and
a certain removal of responsibility. Who wants

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to plan their own trip to get
across Manhattan when you could have the autobrain

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do it for you. And of
course the information is going to be encrypted.

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Nobody's ever going to find out that
we don't know how that works.

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back to the podcast. Oh dude, I just saw we got him again?

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John? You John you? You
know he likes McDonald's and he likes

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spam Musubi, and apart from these
appalling culinary tastes, he's pretty smart guy

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and we love him. He teaches
legal stuff at Berkeley and it's attached to

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Aie and Hoover, et cetera.
And he's been here in the Rigorshe podcast

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a lot, in Powerline podcast and
so forth. Never seems to wear out

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as welcome because he's always a cheerful
presence and he's a smart guy and he

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knows his stuff. And hey,
John, how are you today? Thirty

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four indictments? Wow? What do
you think? Guys? Can we all

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tell the listeners the real truth is
that now we can reveal Rob Long has

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been on this grand jury this whole
time, and of the many charges you

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can bring against Trump, he picked
the one that would make the best sitcom

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the worst sitcom. I mean,
you know, as the as the resident,

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you know, anti Trump are here
on this on this podcast. You

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know these charges are stupid when even
I know they're stupid or am I?

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Am I stupid about that too?
John, I think that this is a

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terrible case to bring. Even if
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not want this case to be proud
because you can take that for granted in

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the case of mister Long. So, So, John, what do we

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know about it? Are you pretty
tell us what we know and tell us

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why you think we know it?
Are you pretty satisfied that the reporting on

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this is good, that the the
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so forth. Well, I think
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the courthouse and watching the witnesses coming
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Plus you've got witnesses who come out
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testified about, which you're not really
supposed to do, but there's no way

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to stop people from doing that in
New York City. So I think we

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have a pretty good picture of what
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it's going to be about this one
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Donald Trump in twenty sixteen during the
campaign two former I guess current I don't

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know porn star Stormy Daniels. This
is why I thought rob fingerprints were all

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over this, so to speak.
I mean, he would of course want

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the main character in this to be
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Yeah, it does have the ring
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would do. Yeah a little.
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John, I know everybody wants to
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to know. It's not illegal to
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This is the problem about this prosecution, is right. If if it was

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illegal to pay people for nondisclosure agreements, right, half a Hollywood and half

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a Wall Street be in jail right
now. There's about that. Nothing illegal

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about that. So what the DA
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mischaracterized like doing your own personal taxes. He tried to charge us to the

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business and not to himself or not
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But that charge ran out. He
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happened. That should have been brought
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That's the real problem. Brag has
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in now right, seven years later, he has to claim this is really

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a felony, not just any felony, but it's a felony because Trump essentially

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gave himself a campaign contribution by paying
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point before you go. If indeed
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misrepresentation claim hush money as legal payments
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that would have been a misdemeanor,
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have been brought within two years.
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of all, who would bring a
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as far as I can tell from
reading around in New York, they don't

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bring They don't charge that stuff.
They don't worry about it. They have

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worse problems. But it would have
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Okay, gone, can't do that. So therefore, to chart to

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indict Donald Trump, we must do
what exactly explain this, which is everywhere

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being called I love this phrase a
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slash unconstitutional. I would say legal
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and a felony is a crime,
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by a significant jail time. So
I think most things you've heard of,

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like murder, Ray Basalt Rob,
those are felonies. Those have a longer

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statue limitations. To try to get
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try to get to that level the
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Okay, Trump cooked the books to
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a felony in New York law.
The problem is, you know, that's

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Rob's question is what's the other crime? Right? What he did here is

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not illegal. So this is where
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acrobatics is he says Trump violated the
election laws, right, not the New

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York state of the United States,
he violated federal election law. And then

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it gets even are with me here? This is when you when you have

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to take this long to explain to
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free, right? Yeah, So
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oh, when Trump paid one hundred
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the campaign, he was really making
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out about him, on account of
how does that to stop bad press?

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Right? Yeah, uh okay.
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imagined that Trump would have ever paid
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that Donald Trump paid a cortn star
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yeah, I was made a big
matt um. Obviously, Rob. This

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is where Rob should have been a
criminal defense lawyer because of great Trump's great

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defense to this charge is I'd do
this all the time. This is not

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about a campaign. I've got thousands
of women I happen happens of dollars two

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over the years. We just so, John, I mean, I've been

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reading about this last two days.
Obviously we have been here before. This

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case has already appeared Imcortt, not
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with vice former senator and vice presidential
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he paid her off, he used
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court and he was acquitted. This
theory that you're giving yourself an illegal campaign

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contribution by paying someone hush money has
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as I know, and the only
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with John Edwards and a jury acquitted
him. Because the claim is this is

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not a campaign expenditure. This is
just someone something any normal person would not

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one out there in public, and
they would have paid it no matter what,

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whether running for office or not.
Campaign contribute. So, for example,

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you can't take your campaign funds and
spend them on stuff you do every

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day anyway. You can't like pay
your home mortgage off with campaign funds,

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although I don't know if Hillary tried
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you can't use your campaign funds to
put your kids in fancy private schools,

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or pay for your dry cleaning and
your dinners and lunches and everything. So

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Trump's defense is going to be as
Edwards's defense was. I would have done

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this anyway, it didn't matter if
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When you mentioned Hillary, though,
wasn't there something about her using money to

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buy the Steel dossier and writing it
off as legal expenses? What is actually

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a campaign expense? I heard something
about that. Yes, No, I

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do think people who are claiming this
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this is what gets to the unconstitutional
point of this is, at least in

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the case James is mentioning, at
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the federal government. The Justice Department
investigated, they decide not to charge Hillery.

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They charged Edwards and lost. The
prosecutors remember this, They're not going

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to push this theory. This case
was also prosecuted before. This is why

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Michael Cohen, Right, prosecutors brought
these charges for this exact conduct here against

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Michael Cohen because he was the bagman. Michael Kohen was Trump's lawyer, and

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he carried apparently transmitted the money.
The US attorney went after him, and

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he played guilty. Right, he's
the bagman. So the problem here is,

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and the reason why I think it's
unconstitutional, is state prosecutors can't go

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around saying I'm going to get you
for federal law. Only federal prosecutors the

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Justice Department prosecutes federal law, and
only state prosecutors prosecutes state law. So

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think about what happens. This is
a question I asked. I asked my

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friends, you know, my liberal
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I guess is what are you going
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other foot. Now every Republican DA
and Texas and Florida is going to start

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investigating the Biden family. Right,
That's exactly my first thought. Do they

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really think the House of Representatives can't
find anything and the Hunter Biden laptop that

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would enable them to bring charges against
the president? No? Absolutely face.

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Okay, So and you're so,
how do your friends? How do your

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friends reply, John? How do
your liberal friends of your friends liberal friends?

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That's a redundancy. How do your
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um. So. The Trump exception
rule I think of it is Trump is

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such a danger that it is worth
breaking all these rules or not worrying about

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the future consequences on institutions to get
him because he's a unique danger to Democrats

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at the at the exact moment right
now, the Manhattan District Attorney I was

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responding to a letter from the House
Republicans. House Republicans have said, hey,

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and we want to know what you're
what's going on in those grand jury

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rooms. We want to know what
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a letter that said basically, hey, buzz off, I'm the I'm a

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district attorney. You have no you
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no And yet a week later he's
meddling into federal jurisdiction. So I mean,

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I say this as a New York
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of bad guys on the street,
like like the Manhattan District Attorney is not

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supposed to be. I mean,
I mean, I actually feel I mean,

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maybe I'm wrong. I don't know
that much about federal election law,

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but it always seems to me that
FEC violations are how you get the person

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that you don't like, and it's
usually over something like this or some kind

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of quasi ill defined number. And
you know, denish to SUSA, whatever

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you think of denish to SUSA should
not have been wearing an ankle bracelet for

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federal for FEC violations. That's it. It does seem like this is not

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only be as but a waste of
time, right, And this is why

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we actually say, federal government,
you're in charge of your crimes. State

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das, you're in charge of your
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way any misbegotten resident of New York
City being from Philadelphia, I can say

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that the misbegotten resident New York City
should react, which is, we put

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this guy into office to make our
city safer. How is this advancing any

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kind of priorities that help New York
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federal prosecutors want to charge Edwards and
not charge Hillary, well we can hold

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them responsible. But when you start
saying, oh, the State DA in

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New York is going to start prosecuting
people for campaign laws, there's no way

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for us to hold anybody accountable who's
responsible. That's why I think this is

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a This is a very dangerous precedent
because this is not just going to be

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right candidates for the presidency. What
if this becomes started this part of the

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standard operating procedure for political operatives in
every campaign. Why not do this to

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Senator where Costa Rica, Honduras?
This is a Banana republic. This is

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a way for the nation. Now
we vote for the president. There's no

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way for us to hold Alvin Bragg
accountable. Right, So John, let

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me let me sum up and ask
and just ask the you set it,

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but I'm out of who you say
it really quotably Quotably, the indictment rests

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on a legal theory, which is
at a minimum tortured. There's a jurisdictional

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overreach which is likely unconstitutional. And
in prosecuting the case, in trying the

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case, the Manhattan DA will be
required to rely on the testimony of an

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admitted liar. All three of those
are correct, right, all right?

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Is it conceivable that such an indictment
would have been brought against anyone other than

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Donald Trump? I can't imagine it. Okay, I can't imagine it.

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So those of us who are saying
that this is a really a grotesque misuse

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of the legal system, that this
is a political and ideological prosecution, are

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simply correct. We're not overheated,
we're not being hysterical. That's simply what

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has happened here. Right, Even
the judicius John You would say that,

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Yeah. I mean, you have
a guy who was elected to office as

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a Democrat in New York City,
one of the most bluest of the Blue

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states, who said he was going
to go after Trump. And that is

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a violation of everything a prosecutor should
do. It's long been a principal prosecution.

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You don't go after a person,
you go right, That's how the

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Soviets would try to run criminal justice. Right. I think Burria said,

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I think here's the head of Stalin's
secret service. Show me the man.

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I'll show you the crime. That's
the worst of what a justice system.

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It's not even a justice system.
Our justice system is you have prosecutors who

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judge what is the best case to
bring to protect the public, and these

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charges based on this, the facts
as we know them is so weak it

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only reinforces that it's political. This
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It's not really polic points legal.
Such political point is by being first,

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Bragg is going to give Trump enormous
ammunition to rightly attack the prosecution is politicized.

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It's going to cloud all the other
I think much more meritorious investigations that

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are going on right now into January
sixth, or classified documents at Mari Lago

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or the district attorney down in Georgia. Right, Trump, I think is

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going to read I think I saw
a poll today are saying that a two

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to one. I think Americans think
this prosecution is political. That could right,

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in fact, all the other prosecutions
to come. But there are people

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who don't mind that it is.
There are a lot of I mean,

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and I've been talking to people who
just it's like, well, this may

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not be the thing. Really,
it's those other things. It's mostly January

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sixth when he told everybody to go
and break in and kill people, but

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you didn't mean. We'll get to
that in a second here. But you

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know, this will do in the
absence of anything else, this will do

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because he's just kind of guilty in
a meta sense as well as a micro

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So you know, get him on
this, then they get him on,

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which to me is a dangerous way
to look at the law. I mean,

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you do, it's like, finally
come up. It's after all these

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years of the walls closing in and
the end is coming and the rest of

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it. If you know, we
didn't get him on we didn't get him

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on being a putin stooge who took
money from the Kremlins. So we'll get

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him on this and that'll be fine
because in the karmic sense it works,

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which is really not a good way
to run a republic. But the two

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thoughts about that one is people don't
realize in this country we don't have many

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police, we don't have a lot
of prosecutors. Americans willingly comply and cooperate

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with law enforcement because Americans have great
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If they start by pulling two to
one thinking our politics, I mean

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our law enforcement are political, then
that means we're going to have a lot

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of trouble enforcing our laws and maintaining
law and order in the country. And

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then the second thing is James's repeating
what I have here from my friends when

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I argue them about this and my
responses. Think about the future incentives you're

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creating. Think about what you're doing
to the presidency. Who's going to want

412
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to be president in the future.
And then when they have to make tough

413
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decisions, do you want them factoring
into their minds, Oh, someday I'm

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going to get sued investigated, my
family is going to run up millions of

415
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dollars and legal fees because I have
to make a tough call, right,

416
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And then going to subject presidents,
senators, to members of the House cabinet,

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members to the whims of any elected
prosecutor anywhere in the country. Is

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it really the way we want to
run about They know they know. If

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they don't know it is specifically,
they know it instinctively. That if indeed

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that happens and the Republicans start to
go after the Democratic candidates, that they

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will have an entire media apparatus on
their side to show how this is baseless,

422
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is politically motivated, and these people
are just being mean to people who

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are blameless, because generally the people
who will come from the left will be

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blameless. They're not motivated by avarice
by any sense. They're not motivated by

425
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power. No, They're motivated by
doing the good things that need to be

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done. Whereas we know that the
people on the right will be the ones

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who are justifiably investigated because they're corrupt
in essence, in philosophy and dealings and

428
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the rest of it. And there's
you know what will it take to get

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immedia to turn on somebody on the
left if they're investigated, No, they

430
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will defend them up and down.
The Hunter Biden case was just an example

431
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of that. Rob, you had
something else standard that I was gonna go,

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wait a minute, hold on a
second, here, I forgot should

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we make John sit through a commercial
or should we do a nice John's got

434
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to sit to a commercial, hit
through a commercial. He's got nothing to

435
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.880
do. Look at him, he's
just sitting around with his headphones on it.

436
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:15.920
Do you know where I am?
You guys are left like this.

437
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:22.480
I'm in my mother's retirement home where
I'm eating retirement food, which I really

438
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:23.960
like. So I'm getting ready for
retire I was like, can I put

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my name down now using the retirement
home gym? I love being in a

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00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.119
retirement home. I'm like, how
did I not know about this? Leland?

441
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.160
How oldly do I? How old? How young can I be before

442
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.319
I sign up? How is your
mom? By the way, she's great.

443
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She's turning eighty five this weekend.
Man, and she was still practicing

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medicine until COVID stopped her and she
couldn't go to the hospital. I like,

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I like this retirement. It's like
being back in college, but everybody's

446
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fifty years older. Listen, I
met your mom, your mom versus COVID.

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I feel sorry for COVID. She
should have been in the hospital,

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she should have been working. I
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Podcast. And I'll back to John
you where we were asking him legal questions.

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Glory you forgot when mentioning Bragg.
Of course, that's that he's Soros

491
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adjacent, which apparently is a way
of completely delegitimizing any criticism that's made of

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the man. Right, So part
of this is, look, I got

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no problem with people running for district
attorney on a partisan platform, and I

494
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got no problem with Bragg saying to
the voters in New York, to people

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00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:57.400
like Rob, I'm gonna stop prosecuting
a lot of people, right, I'm

496
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.880
gonna start letting them back out on
the street. You're gonna love it.

497
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:05.199
It's going to be great, right. But that is why he can only

498
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.440
prosecute crimes under his own law,
so that people like Rob can say this

499
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:14.079
has been a disaster, We're voting
you out of office. The problem is

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00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.599
Bragg trying to reach out and interfere, and then we should we should neglect

501
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.840
this part, not just with the
treatment of an ex president, but with

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the current front runner of one of
the two major parties elections for president.

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Not only is he punishing past presidents, but he's this is Ida in New

504
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:36.360
York City directly, I think interfering
and for the purpose of interfering with this

505
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:42.480
prosecution a national election. That's also
something we should really be concerned about.

506
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.280
And again, how can the rest
of the country hold him, this DA

507
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:51.880
in New York City accountable for the
way he is interfering with national issues?

508
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.599
John, can I go through just
another couple of legal ask you for another

509
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:59.800
couple of legal explainers. Ron de
sand has tweeted last night, I'm quoting

510
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:05.480
from his tweet, Florida will not
assist in an extradition request. What's he

511
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.360
talking about? And that was kind
of interesting, But I don't think it's

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00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:13.239
gonna be necessary because what I can
what I've read, is that Trump is

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00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:19.440
going to surrender himself on Tuesday at
the courthouse. Right he'll where he'll be,

514
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.639
you know, fingerprinted. There'll be
a mug shot. You know,

515
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.440
I'm wondering whether he's going to have
a happy mug shot or a defiant mug

516
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.320
shot. I expect a non smiling
mug shot. And then he'll be presented

517
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.599
to a judge and he'll be asked
for his plea and there'll be a request

518
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.760
for bail, which I soon would
be granted, and then he'll come out

519
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.519
onto the front steps of the courthouse, which I expect will be like I

520
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.559
don't know if you've ever seen at
that time, he was on a you

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00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.639
know, on a WWF ring.
You know, we walked into a World

522
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:52.360
Wrestling Federation match and just sort of
took over the ring. But if Trump

523
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.519
had resisted, that's why what De
Santa is saying is somewhat relevant, but

524
00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:00.280
not anymore. Is posed Trump had
said not showing up, come and get

525
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:05.559
me right. Well, New York
can't send police to Florida. They'd have

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00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.199
no authority in Floridas. So the
way it works is usually if you're being

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00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:14.440
prosecuted and the other the defensive police
to a state, you can go ask

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00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:19.280
that other state to arrest them for
you and extradite them back. And it's

529
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.880
a very routine thing usually because we're
one country, so the states are supposed

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00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.400
to accept the validity of the demand
for arrest and sending them back to the

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00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:32.079
other state. But DeSantis, again, this is how this prosecution is corrupting

532
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:36.800
the law. DeSantis was suggesting that
he would not perform that he'd get this

533
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:42.159
constitutional duty to send Trump he gets
to exercise his judgment on whether the indictment

534
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:45.679
is valid in the first place.
Usually you don't do that. Usually you

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00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:51.480
he could legally do so there's nothing
for that. No, I mean,

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00:38:51.480 --> 00:39:00.480
I guess theoretically if someone was completely
trumped up charges right and thing that aren't

537
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.840
even really crimes. But no,
you're supposed to basically do it automatically.

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00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:09.280
Okay, I guess what I'm getting
at is the unprecedented nature of what's taking

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00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:17.719
place is placing pressure on ordinary legal
practice in all kinds of ways that we're

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00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.079
just beginning to glimpse. Whoever,
who would have conceived of a governor saying,

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00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.960
wait a minute, I'm not so
sure I'll extradite this guy if it

542
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.199
comes to that. That was inconceivable
forty eight hours ago, and now Rod

543
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:31.760
de Sanders has said it. Everybody
sort of read it and moved on to

544
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:37.199
that. It's just okay. Next
question, how do you get to you've

545
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.159
explained the novel legal theory. How
do you turn that into a couple of

546
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:44.199
dozen counts, which is what the
New York Times was reporting, or thirty

547
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:46.119
four counts, which is what CNN
is reporting right now. How do you

548
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:52.639
get this multiplicity of counts. Well, everybody's wondering whether there's more in there

549
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:57.880
than just the stormy Daniel's hush money
past. People are saying, maybe there's

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00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.920
hush money payments to other people.
Again, I says discussion Rob. That

551
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:07.199
actually helps Trump's case. The more
the more rush money payments he did made.

552
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.880
You know, maybe he said,
I've got this rotating what are they

553
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:14.800
called line of credit at Silicon Valley
Bank for people for women to draw,

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and every time that's why the place
went under they ran out of money or

555
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.039
something. But you know, the
more he did it, and the more

556
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:22.920
it was regular, the more he
gets you, the more he gets out

557
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:29.760
from under it. But look the
thirty and if you're a prosecutor, this

558
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:34.159
is how you would do it.
Each time Trump made a payment to Cohen,

559
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that's an indictable count. So suppose
he made five of them. Suppose

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there were six changes to the accounting
rules. Each of those is accounting every

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conversation he had with Cohen where he
told him to do it, But that

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00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:50.920
could be account and then you have
conspiring as account. So I look,

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you know, the indictments under seal. All we really know is that the

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00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.239
leak's coming on the DA's office and
then the witnesses coming in and out,

565
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.920
and we haven't seen witnesses, you
know, who are involved maybe with the

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00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.199
Trump organization or her might be involved
with, you know, some other kind

567
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.960
of crime. They all seem right. Michael Cohen came back several times.

568
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.719
Trump sent this fellow Costello, who
had been Cohen's lawyer, who now they

569
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.719
had a breakup and now he testified
against Cohen. He apparently went, all

570
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.800
these people been on TV talking about
you know what they were saying, which

571
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.639
you're not really supposed to do.
And so I think we have a pretty

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00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:28.000
good idea what's in the indictment.
So just the thirty four counts, it's

573
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:32.400
still really focused on the hush money. The bag man Michael Cohen and just

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00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.800
reporting it under a campaign finance law. Rob Okay, So John, you're

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00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:45.400
you're now appointed chief council to Donald
Trump Incorporated. You're sitting in the turned

576
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.840
down many many times. Yeah yeah, well yeah, yeah, right.

577
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.119
You're sitting at the Marlago patio and
you know he's having a big mac and

578
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.599
you're having your beloved McRib You guys
are like vibing, as the young people

579
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.880
say, and you're telling him,
look, it's it's not going to be

580
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:01.599
fine. You're gonna get up to
go up there and you're gonna get printed

581
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.880
and all that stuff. But you're
gonna be able to know you're Donald Trump.

582
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:09.920
You'll be able to turn this into
a media opportunity. Right, don't

583
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:15.639
worry about this one. Your odds
on this one are pretty good. What

584
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.320
are you telling him to worry about? What are the many cases that he

585
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:25.400
is now facing in Georgia, Florida, etc. What is he what should

586
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.960
keep him up at night? So, the of the investigations, I think

587
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:36.320
the one that would be easiest to
prove against him would be the mari Lago

588
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:42.519
classified documents where apparently people have testified. We'll find out more, but apparently

589
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.199
people have testified that Trump directed them, directed these employees of his to move

590
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:53.400
classified documents around to hide them from
searches and special prosecutor. Correct, that's

591
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:59.920
under Jack Smith, special counsel in
Washington. The one that's the most important

592
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.159
serious, because I don't think the
classified documents cases actually really is all that

593
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:10.320
important established, right, other than
restaurants, yeah, other than he wants

594
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:15.760
he wants to keep have some box
that keepsakes basically, but the one that's

595
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.679
the most serious. But I think
it is harder to prove and harder to

596
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:23.280
make out. But you could see
the investigation is gonna is moving forward quickly

597
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:30.000
on. It is a January sixth
investigation. Did Trump conspire in any way

598
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:36.840
with the people responsible for the riot
at the Capitol and or did Trump how

599
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:43.039
involved was he with efforts to pressure
Mike pens to block So you you you

600
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:47.039
think I did not expect that you
to say this, because I mean my

601
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:50.880
legal mind and as you know it, but I have a steel trap legal

602
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.079
mind. I may I had not
packed full disclosure. I've not passed the

603
00:43:53.079 --> 00:44:00.920
bar in New York State. But
um uh, I I thought, I'm

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00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.760
I look at this January six stuff, and I say this as the resident

605
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.960
you know, Trump aiter like the
guy just I mean, he's a jerk

606
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:13.639
and he's you know, you know
how I feel about him. But this,

607
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:17.280
this didn't. This didn't. It's
a very confusing crime. Calling up

608
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:22.719
the sitting governor of Georgia and saying, find me the votes. Here's what

609
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.440
I need. I need eleven thousand, nine hundred and seventy three votes.

610
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:28.719
That seems to me to be a
little bit more you know, legal exposure.

611
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.280
But then again, I haven't passed
the bar in the state of California,

612
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:37.599
as you know, so educate me. Well, the thing about the

613
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.679
Georgia case, it's difficult, is
one. I mean, so again,

614
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.480
we've got another problem. We've got
a state officer trying to investigate a president

615
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.400
for something that might really be a
federal crime, not a state crime.

616
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.320
So what's a state crime? Is
it going to be some kind of fraud

617
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.280
in the election? Well, what
are these words find me one hundred and

618
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.719
ten thousand votes mean? Is he
saying, you know, there there's got

619
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.440
to be a legal there's got to
be a cash off legal votes that you

620
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:07.480
guys have overlooked, or is he
really pressure him to say defraud the vote

621
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.599
count right, This is this is
a question that's very difficult to prove.

622
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:15.400
It depends on Trump's mental state.
Does that really want to see a trial

623
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:21.840
about Trump's models? Trump? Really? But if I'm the prosecutor, I

624
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.239
say, you know, you call
the exit the governor, you say,

625
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.320
hey, listen, you make sure
you count all those votes. I'm sure

626
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:29.880
I have more votes. I know
I had more votes. You better count

627
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.039
them, all right. That's one
thing to call and say I need eleven

628
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.960
thousand four under whatever it is number
of votes. To actually know the number

629
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.360
seems like I don't know. That
seems it seems like it's more of a

630
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:43.719
that gun has smoked more to me
than the January sixth stuff. But again,

631
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.679
I have not, as you know, passed the bar in the state

632
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:50.000
of Massachusetts. So explain the January
your opinion on the January sixth. January

633
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.639
six I think has got more exposure
because first, you know, everyone's focused

634
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:59.880
on Trump gave this speech on the
ellipse. Is an incitement to commit violence?

635
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.800
I don't think it is. I
think it is protected by the free

636
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:07.559
speech clause. But that's not really
where Trump is vulnerable. Where Trump might

637
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:14.239
be vulnerable are where Trump campaign officials
texting, emailing, calling with whoever were

638
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:19.239
the ringleaders of the violent attack on
the Capitol. Were they talking to Trump

639
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.719
about it? You only need the
testimony of one or two people, say

640
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:30.920
a Rudy Giuliani for example, or
what's her name? Kraken woman to Sidney

641
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.280
Powell to say, oh, I
had a conversation with Trump. I told

642
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.519
him there were these people who wanted
to go into the capital and stop the

643
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.719
vote count, and he said,
yeah, thumbs up, they'll be beautiful.

644
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.679
Right. That's maybe all you need
to get conspiracy that Trump was involved.

645
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:52.039
Or the other possibility is how much
pressure did Trump put on Vice President

646
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.960
Prince to stop the electric count?
Did he try to really coerce him.

647
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.320
I think the reason why I think
this is where there's a lot more vulnerability

648
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:04.639
is we've got a lot we can
see in public, a lot of what

649
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.880
happened in Georgia, a lot of
what happened in New York City. I

650
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.559
mean, Brad Raethlisberger, the secondary
state in Georgia, recorded the phone call

651
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:14.960
he had with Trump and released it. Right, So there's a lot more

652
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.440
facts that we don't know. But
with January six, I think there's still

653
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:22.159
a lot more to come. I
don't think we really know much about what

654
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.280
was happening inside the White House with
Trump talking to campaign officials. We've not

655
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:30.400
really heard Rudy Giuliani's story. Wait
wait, wait, wait, you don't

656
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:36.840
think that the January sixth Committee has
already released every bit of damaging material,

657
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:42.400
damaging to Donald Trump that they possibly
could, but they didn't get the cooperation

658
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:47.000
of people like Giuliani, a John
Eastman, a Sidney Powell. That's what

659
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:52.639
I think a prosecutor can do which
a congressional committee cannot. He can supine

660
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.280
to John Eastman and put him under
a row. You could say, look,

661
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:59.480
Rudy Giuiani pulls the same line he
did with the Congressional Commite, says

662
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.480
I'm not going to help you.
I'm not appearing ore. Steve Bannon right,

663
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.920
could have been a conduit too,
and they just say they get you

664
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:07.239
know, they stiff him. That's
what Bannon did, right, He just

665
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:14.000
refused to complete, well prosecuting get
through your ass in jail. You say

666
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:17.960
that with relish John, Oh yeah, I mean people who refuse to cooperate,

667
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.000
you know, with a legitimate investigation, they should spend some time.

668
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.639
Yeah, Okay, listen, can
I ask We're going to have to I'm

669
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:30.480
sure you and Richard are going to
devote at least an entire law talk to

670
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:34.119
this. Well, you mean Richard
will spend forty five minutes and then I'll

671
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.880
spend ten minutes trying to get up
a stop. Well, but I have

672
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.960
one one last question here for me, at least I don't I don't want

673
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:47.239
to preclude Robert James from coming in
again. But the politics of the thing,

674
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.320
my heart sinks. I'll just tell
you the way it looks to me,

675
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:58.320
and I want to know if you
agree. Rob Is. Rob has

676
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:02.639
been anti Trump for a long long
time. I thought he had three three

677
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:07.920
ok years COVID hit things went sideways, and then after the election it was

678
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:12.880
just outrageous. But even I've come
around to the opinion that we've got to

679
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:17.440
get rid of this jackass. He
just needs to depart the scene. And

680
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:22.639
it looked to me as though Rohn
de Sandis was going to be able to

681
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:30.760
make the case to satisfy the Republican
impulse for fighting back while still being intelligent

682
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:36.679
and disciplined and honorable, and that
Rohn de Sandis was going to be able

683
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:45.920
to deny Donald Trump the Republican domination. It's gone. That's just gone.

684
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:53.360
The Manhattan DA has so bungled this, from my point of view, has

685
00:49:53.400 --> 00:50:00.000
put put together an indictment that when
Donald Trump I just looking at the new

686
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:05.119
now he's called the thing a total
political witch hunt, and astonishingly enough,

687
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:12.000
he is exactly correct. And the
impulse to rally to Donald Trump, if

688
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:16.920
only to protest the injustice, the
damage to the American system on the Republican

689
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:22.559
among Republicans is going to be overwhelming. Yeah, this jackass is going to

690
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:27.239
get the GOP nomination. So tell
me I'm wrong, Tell me I'm wrong.

691
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:35.280
So if you were to be really
machiavellian and suspicious of Democrats who don't

692
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:40.119
all operate as a single mind and
one plan, but maybe Bragg, by

693
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:45.079
being incompetent, has done the biggest
favor you could have done to the Democratic

694
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.440
Party, because you could say,
maybe this is the turning point when Trump

695
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:54.320
sewed up the nomination exactly exactly what
I'm afraid of, and then meaning Joe

696
00:50:54.320 --> 00:51:00.360
Biden will win real action, even
Joe Biden could defeat Donald Trump exactly my

697
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:07.199
fear. So, actually, maybe
this partisan Democratic prosecutor in Manhattan has pulled

698
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.360
a fast one on all of us. It's entirely possible. But you know

699
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.119
what the thing of it is is
is as much as I may think that

700
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.400
it is a political prosecution and it's
thinly sourced and it's a bad idea and

701
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:21.239
the rest of it, it doesn't
make me want to take a letter opener,

702
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:23.599
gouge out an eye and then shoot
myself in the foot. There are

703
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.400
other things. I'm not going to
rally to this man and hope that he

704
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:30.880
gets the nomination and surely lose,
just to show them what I think of

705
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.000
their ever know, the way that
you show them what you think is to

706
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:37.000
put somebody in power who is effective
and who can undo so much of what

707
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.719
has been done, and rally a
whole part of the country to a new

708
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:44.159
way of looking at these ideas that
isn't tied to nonel Trump. Now,

709
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.519
they already have got de Santis branded
as the fascist who's going to bring the

710
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.400
jack boot rain over the rest of
us. But that is a lesson that

711
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.679
they're going to learn is not true. Yeah, it's gonna help Trump,

712
00:51:53.760 --> 00:52:00.119
but but how many people like Peter
are just want the guy to go away,

713
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.480
not like they're going to sacrifice absolutely
everything in order to rally to his

714
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:07.679
side. But sadadly, look at
the polling out in the last two weeks

715
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.639
while this has been going on,
we've all been talking about it, Trump

716
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:15.199
has increased his lead over to Santis. Right, he's now over fifty percent

717
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:21.039
the choice of over of Republican primary
voters, and he's got by two to

718
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:25.400
one Americans believing this is a politicized
prosecution. So right now, that's true,

719
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.840
that's all true, just with the
with a short attention span that we

720
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:30.519
have. In the likelihood that something
else is going to happen, we'll see,

721
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:34.760
we'll see. The great thing about
it is when something else does happen,

722
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.639
we'll have John. You back,
John, Thank you so much.

723
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:44.039
Wait, No, I'm not going
I'm staying on. Yeah, John,

724
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.440
John, Really, here's here's my
real last question. Are you taking your

725
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.440
mom up to Atlantic City to get
into a little time at the tables?

726
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:53.159
Actually, you know what, We're
going out for a breath fay to a

727
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:58.960
restaurant that has been in this town
since seventeen ninety. I hope the food

728
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:02.440
hasn't been there seventeen ninety, but
the building has been there in the restaurant.

729
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:07.760
I think it's been a continuously operating
restaurant since the eighteenth century. So

730
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:12.440
I'm expecting, you know, a
hunk of venison and some what what do

731
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:16.280
you call suck atash Is that what
it's called? And other culinary glories of

732
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:21.679
the eighteenth century. Yeah, Ucatashan's
Asparilla. Well, enjoy yourself. It's

733
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:23.639
been great as out as ever,
and we'll see you the next time something

734
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:29.599
breaks, John Gentleman, thank you, John. Um, And he's in

735
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:34.800
Florida. Right did we get that
at Dezi Oh? Right, right,

736
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.480
right done. You can leave now, okay, yes, you can stop

737
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.800
at the introjections so we can get
on. He's there. He goes and

738
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.239
cut the cord. Cut the guy. He's a bolt cut or whatever.

739
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.599
You need launchers or something. Yes, indeed, Well, Philadelphia, big

740
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.519
city, big city, Rob.
I have to ask you, Um,

741
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.920
what is the last time you were
in Philadelphia? Oh my god, Yeah,

742
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:59.239
it's been a long time. Actually, I mean I drive past it

743
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:00.840
all the time down to Baltimore,
but I don't I haven't been filled Alphian

744
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.559
at one time. Interesting. Well, when you drive, of course you

745
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:06.639
have to fill up from time to
time. And as most people know,

746
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.239
when you go to the gas pump
at home, yeah, there's a couple

747
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.239
of prices. There's the price that
it says on the on the pump,

748
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.559
but there's also that little you know, ten percent off you get because you

749
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:19.719
shop here, or you do this, or you got this rewards program.

750
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.079
I got that here in Minneapolis.
It's great ten percent off. But you

751
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:27.280
know what, I can't always go
to that station. Sometimes there's another brand

752
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.239
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a gallon there. You know, you

753
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Rob is here to briefly tell you
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here about upcoming Ricochet promos, which
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778
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won't or can you live read James? I guess he's talking about you.

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781
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was gonna say Chartha not even ninety
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784
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785
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a member organization. We want you
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786
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:44.039
one of our members, Randy Wivoda, is kind of, you know,

787
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helping arrange all these meetups and kind
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788
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organizing, especially the one in New
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789
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I'm gonna be in um and um. You know, that's part of the

790
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795
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799
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to Rack and Schey dot com and
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you want to do that and you're
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802
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way, and that's to become a
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803
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about an annual German Fest extravagance that
will be happening in Milwaukee in late July,

804
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.559
which actually sounds a lot of fun. And she and that's her Rick

805
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and shat handle name. She's not
the and a preferred pronoun. It's not

806
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the President of China. The President
of China wondering whether members want to be

807
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kind of funny if she was setting
up for Beijing. What if members want

808
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to do a meetup in the Pittsburgh
area because there's a Willie Nelson concert in

809
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:07.559
the Pittsburgh area. I'm a big
Googlie Nelson fan, not necessarily politically,

810
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:10.880
but you know, he's a cool
dude, and it's a ninetieth birthday tour.

811
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:16.239
He's ninety, so you know he
probably only has another thirty years left.

812
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.360
But look, so's that's what's coming
up. If they're too far away,

813
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.679
if the dates don't work, there
is only one way to fix that,

814
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:29.440
joint Ricochet, and just announce that
you want to put one closer to

815
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:32.119
you on a date that you can
make it, and Ricochet members will arrive

816
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:37.880
there ready to chat. Irl for
details on all of this, including Ricochet,

817
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:39.880
including members, including joining, including
all that stuff, go to ricche

818
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:44.519
dot com slash events for events.
There's a module in the sidebar on a

819
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.679
website, and we want to see
you. And if you're suddenly available to

820
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:52.039
come to New Orleans, please do. And if you go to ricochet dot

821
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:53.440
com join and go to the member's
site and say, hey, how come

822
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:58.719
nobody here is talking about baseball?
You can start talking about baseball, and

823
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:01.320
people will chiming. You can start
talking about anything I would not. I

824
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:05.239
mean, I go to the member
feed all the time. I love reading

825
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.760
what people are saying and thinking and
dipping in and saying this or that.

826
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:12.079
I would not participate in a baseball
opening day thing because I don't care.

827
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.960
But here's the thing. I am
glad baseball exists, and I'm happy that

828
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:20.920
it brings people the joy that it
does. And America would not be America

829
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:28.039
without it. And I love those
old bugs Bunny cartoons where they they bring

830
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:32.880
back this sort of nineteen forties attitude
of baseball that you think still pervades is

831
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.400
still there under the under the modern
corporate heart, that there's still the smell

832
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:43.760
of the cheap hot dogs, the
red hots and if nickel beer, and

833
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:45.760
the creak of the wood and the
stands and the rest of it, and

834
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:50.280
the men with their straw boaters and
all those archaic things. You like to

835
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.639
think that that's still sort of in
the beating heart and soul basement, even

836
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:57.880
though you know, I'm looking down
the street here and there's a massive,

837
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.039
massive stadium down there with a massive
corporate presidents, and it's bagan the broads

838
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:06.199
are seventeen dollars and fifty cents in
the beer costume, an arm and or

839
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:13.320
a leg um. But I'm still
glad it's there. And that was the

840
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:15.559
point at which either of you would
drop in and say, yes, I

841
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.840
do too. But since you're obviously
sort of having a sugar crash or a

842
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:24.639
glucose crash from a coffee cup,
sugar and glucose and medical may I rise

843
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:30.159
very briefly to speak in defense of
modern medicine. I didn't know if anybody

844
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:34.440
was attacking it, but do go
well. Actually, in my own mind,

845
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.719
I sometimes attack it. It's too
expensive, it's bureaucratic at all.

846
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:43.119
Okay, I just want to say
two things. All my life, I've

847
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:46.039
had a slightly irregular heart beat,
and in the last three years it's gotten

848
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:52.199
a lot worse and it's become a
problem. And this past week, attacking

849
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.519
cardia was the problem. It would
wake me up at two in the morning.

850
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:58.159
I'd lie there doing nothing and my
heart would be racing it one hundred

851
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:02.159
and sixty beats a minute. Oh
unpleasant. And this past week I had

852
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:07.840
something called a heart oblation, and
I was wheeled into a room with more

853
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:12.119
equipment than I have ever seen before
in my life. I was wired up

854
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:15.000
this way, that way, the
other way. There opposite the table was

855
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:21.039
a huge flat panel television with pictures
of my heart kaboom, kaboom, kaboom,

856
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:24.960
and pictures showing each of the different
leads they had on my body showing

857
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:30.400
heart activity. I think there may
have been as many as a dozen professionals

858
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:35.679
in the room. And they opened
up a bit in my leg and sent

859
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:39.239
a catheter up to my heart and
very carefully mapped the cells that were misfiring

860
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:47.760
and cauterized those cells. And the
following day, for the first time ever

861
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:53.960
since owning one of these little watches
that records my heartbeat, my heart beat,

862
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:58.800
the little thirty second test on the
heart on the watch came back and

863
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:04.800
said, my heartbeat is normal.
So I don't know what the insurance company

864
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:10.760
is going to get build for that
fantastically elaborate, but I can only tell

865
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:16.320
you that it worked, that it's
procedure that's only been invented a couple of

866
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:22.480
decades ago, that it would have
been impossible without technology and specialization and all

867
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:27.840
kinds of drugs and new the new
ability to read the electrical discharges in the

868
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:32.840
heart and it made my life better. I just want to say that in

869
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:38.159
defense of technology and medicine, A
we're glad. We're glad. Yeah,

870
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:44.679
that's good. Be in defensive tech. We all have these little moments every

871
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:46.760
day and to not something as life
changing or as important as yours, where

872
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:52.039
we realize how much of our existence
is just improved in a little little bit

873
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.480
by this, and we wonder if
the trade off is Okay. We think

874
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:58.360
back to the days when we were
kids, and you know, the phone

875
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:01.360
rang two or three times a day. If that didn't you didn't make long

876
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:05.679
distance after eleven and the kids were
out until the street lights came out,

877
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.079
all those healthy on things. But
then you think we live at the apex

878
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:13.159
of civilization right now, if if
we really look around it, and that's

879
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:15.679
in what you've talked about is one
of the examples. See, you would

880
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:20.679
like to think that most of tech
these days, that the real brilliant people

881
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:22.679
who are going into this want to
do things like they did for you,

882
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:27.119
not to just disrupt for the sake
of disrupting, not to come up with

883
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.440
a new way to spy and sell
information and repackage nonsense, but that actually,

884
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:32.880
tech can still continue to be a
force for good in our lives as

885
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:37.440
it was for you and d.
If I ever have to have that happen,

886
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:39.159
I'm going to ask them to put
something else on the television screen because

887
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:42.960
I'm not necessarily sure I want to
watch that stuff all, you know.

888
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:46.480
I mean, either I'd rather watch
I'd rather watch Colombo. Yeah, Colombo's

889
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:51.360
great. I'd rather watch anything.
Well except for that last episode they did

890
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:54.039
in season five or Patrick mcguan directed, and they blew the whole thing up.

891
01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:59.159
Look who I'm talking to. One
of the worst expation I've ever seen

892
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:00.920
in my life. I want to
want to want to shout at Clumbo every

893
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:04.679
time I see a Clumbo it's Jack
Cassidy. He did it right away,

894
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:12.800
Robert or Patrick McGowan, who had
forts like that. The problem is,

895
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.440
of course, is that more that
you look at it now you realize every

896
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:17.039
single case that the loot and that's
why he's still a lieutenant after all these

897
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:20.559
years and never got promoted, every
case he tainted, every case that he

898
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:24.559
did, and none of that stuff
that would stand up in court. And

899
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:27.480
if there's anything that relies on any
sort of cigar ash to be around.

900
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.960
He contaminates every scene that he goes
to. Really, we didn't know that

901
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:33.360
back then, we did anyway,
Peter, glad, You're glad, You're

902
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.559
great, and you know now you
know that when the heart starts beating a

903
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:41.960
little bit, it'll be a fruit. Yes, the patriotic reason, a

904
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.000
piece of you know, some marvelous
example of pulkertude was strolled by on a

905
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:50.599
summer spring day. What I'm that
marvelous example of pulkertude would of course be

906
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:55.719
my wife. There you go.
That's why he's lived this long and he's

907
01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:00.800
buried this long. You know,
you know he knows a instincts kick in.

908
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:03.320
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01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:16.280
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913
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:19.760
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914
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:23.719
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01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:27.960
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916
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.679
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But for the moment, we'll see you

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01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:34.159
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