1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,759 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend now here 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:17,800 is your host. DJ leaves well off of the Thanksgiving holiday, but still 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,559 the holiday weekend. And by the way, it is also Black Friday as 4 00:00:21,559 --> 00:00:24,640 we release the podcast and the mayhem that goes on with that. We are 5 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:30,000 here, Yes, we are here because we've got a very intriguing full fledged 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,280 pay per view card headline by David Benavitez and Demetrius Andre that will be going 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,520 over. Plus we've got Ryan Garcia one on one with one Dan Rayfield. 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,039 There is a lot here, a lot here, and we're glad that you're 9 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:46,399 with us again off the Thanksgiving holiday on the Big Fight Weekend preview on the 10 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:50,359 somewhat competent host TJ Reeves. He is our insider. Fight Freaks Unit is 11 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:55,039 his substack. Also Bigfight Weekend dot Com. Hello Dan Rayfield, And the 12 00:00:55,119 --> 00:01:00,079 obligatory question that I ask so many as everything unfolds with Thursday to Friday into 13 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,640 Friday night, et cetera. Did you get enough to eat? Hello there, 14 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:07,680 my friend. Oh, we had a great Thanksgiving dinner plenty, But 15 00:01:07,799 --> 00:01:11,920 as I said to you in our podcast last week, Turkey not him, 16 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,920 Turkey my son had plenty of cranberry sauce. I had stuffing, which she 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,560 doesn't care for. So it was all good. Nothing you ate And for 18 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:25,920 the record, you ate out as you were talking about, Yes, Reeves 19 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,920 conglomerate with my wife's family, the Franklin family. We did all of that, 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,200 so we consumed all the food. The trip to fan took effect about 21 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:38,319 the second half of the Cowboys game this afternoon for us. I don't know 22 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,079 if it's going to kick in for you as we're doing the podcast late Thursday 23 00:01:41,159 --> 00:01:45,079 into Friday here, but we're all good. I think everybody by the millions 24 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,439 is gorged themselves. I'll be awake. I'll be awake in time for the 25 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:51,079 bet Us show on Friday. That'll be good. Yes, we will be 26 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:53,879 there. We will be handicapping and doing much more. We got a bunch 27 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,879 on this program. As I mentioned Ryan Garcia coming up. It better leave 28 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,719 some reviews to be in the holidays. They need to review us, please 29 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,000 if you like what you're hearing. And by the way, we're coming down 30 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,680 the home stretch of November and it's another massive month in terms of audience. 31 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,840 But still it helps us peeps when people say, how can you help the 32 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:14,120 podcast, or if you enjoy the podcast, how can you help us. 33 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,120 I'm putting this out there two ways. Number one, share it out. 34 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,240 Number two, rate us and review us, because again in the algorithms, 35 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:25,240 it helps us move up, and we would love to have a five star 36 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:30,840 review. Tell everybody, tell Ray feel how handsome he is and how great 37 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:34,400 ist boxing Nostalgia is. Do that, rate us, review us, Apple 38 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:38,199 Podcasts, spreakers, Spotify wherever you can review it, and make sure you're 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,240 following or subscribing because you get all the great content. For example, this 40 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,719 happened this past week. If you're following or subscribing, you got the automatic 41 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:49,599 notification ding light Vibrate. We haven't done that in a while. That David 42 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:53,319 Benavitez one on one interview that you did with him was available on the podcast 43 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,879 feed. Here's a hint. After you hear Ryan Garcia here on this podcast, 44 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:01,080 you'll have a chance to hear it again without any other prompt or any 45 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,120 other notification if you're following or subscribing, So rate us, review us, 46 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:07,159 follow, subscribe, et cetera. And by the way, just one more 47 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:13,319 plug. You've got some other big time interviews coming as well. They just 48 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,680 need to be following and subscribing the podcast to hear who melse real quick. 49 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:17,960 Well, I'll tell you, I mean we have because they've all got important 50 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,879 fights coming up. As we have interviews coming with both Regis Progray and Devin 51 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,439 Hainey, who fight each other in a very significant fight on December ninth, 52 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:30,960 and on that same night on the Top Rank card. In one of the 53 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,599 bouts on the main broadcast is the excellent young, up and coming junior middle 54 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:38,520 eight prospect Xander Zyas. We have an interview with him. So we got 55 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,919 plenty and I'm not done yet. Yeah, I know, And we're still 56 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,039 rolling along here. You've heard from both David Benavitas and Demetrius Andred on this 57 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:50,680 podcast feed already. You've heard from and I keep rattling this off, Shakur 58 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,000 Stevenson recently, Tim Zu recently, Oscar de la Hoy, I'm gonna leave 59 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,919 some money out, Jim Lampley, all these different personalities. You gotta love 60 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:00,759 it. It's not just you and me bloviating. We've got We've got names, 61 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,840 although bloviating can be a good thing with you and me. We got 62 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:09,000 good names, newsmakers, famous famous people in the fight game. We love 63 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,479 all of that. All right, enough of the kissing up to you and 64 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:14,360 the kissing up for how good the podcast is, Let's get to it. 65 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:19,680 Saturday night, PBC pay per view, the interim, the WBC Interim super 66 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,920 Middleweight Championship on the line, David Benavitez, Demetrius Andred. We have reached 67 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,639 fight weekend. Interestingly, they did the press conference stuff because of the Thanksgiving 68 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:34,279 holiday Tuesday. They then did the fighter workouts on Wednesday. You got the 69 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:39,399 holiday on Thursday. They'll weigh in on Friday. Now we're getting namped up 70 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:44,000 and this we keep saying this. This is a solid card besides just the 71 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,199 main event. But let's begin. Where do you want to begin as it 72 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,680 gets underway? I guess we begin with the main event, right, absolutely 73 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:53,000 part of the show. Like like you said, it's a good pay per 74 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:55,439 view card overall. Again, I would love it if it wasn't on pay 75 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:57,879 per view, But as long as it is on pay per view, I 76 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:00,000 feel like, at least if you're buying the payper u as a fan, 77 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,439 you have four bona fide fights on the broadcast. There's there's not a I 78 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:09,120 don't put it like this of the four bouts that are part of this main 79 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,160 main card, I don't really view any of them as a mismatch. The 80 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,839 one you might look at on paper and say might be mismatchy, if that's 81 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,439 even a word, might be the Jamal Charlow Jose Benavidez Junior fight. But 82 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,279 the reason why maybe it's not is because you know, Charlot hasn't fought for 83 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:26,720 two and a half years and there's all kinds of problems. We'll get into 84 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,680 that when we previewed that fight. But anyway, it's a good show, 85 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,800 showtime pay per views, last show, PPV dot Com of course one of 86 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,959 our great sponsors here on the podcast. But in terms of that main event, 87 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,720 I'm looking forward to it. I mean, we all, I think 88 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:44,120 wanted to see or would have preferred to see Canelo fighting Benavite's in his September 89 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,639 fight that didn't happen. So if you're Benavidez, you're looking for something else. 90 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,839 Now we'll go back a few months ago and there was a deal that 91 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:55,399 was made between the Benavides team and the David Morrell team, which will been 92 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:59,000 a heck of a fight. Also, David, as he explained in our 93 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,879 interview that I asked him that, well, his promoter's never bothered to ask 94 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:04,000 him about it, and he preferred the Andreid fight because he felt like andre 95 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,839 if he beats him, brings more of a more acclaim if he will because 96 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:12,120 Demetris is a two division world champion, He's an undefeated fighter, he's been 97 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,120 around a lot longer, He's an Olympian, and although Morell is an undefeated 98 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,639 fighter also, Andred has a bigger reputation and is more highly regarded at the 99 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,439 present time given his longer track record in the sport, which is understandable. 100 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,680 But to me, it was like, if you want to fight Morell, 101 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,040 I'd be happy. If you want to fight andre I'm happy too. I'm 102 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,519 glad Demetris is finally getting the opportunity, fifteen years into his career to get 103 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,680 what I would consider a marquee fight. So this is at Mandalay Bay on 104 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:41,319 Saturday. And yes, it's for the Benavidi's interim WBC Superman Await title. 105 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,040 And that's all. Well, I'm good, but I believe and I think 106 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,680 you agree with me, and I think most boxing fans would agree with me 107 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,240 that this is this is for more than just an interim belt. To me, 108 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:55,560 this is like to determine the people's mandatory. The winner of this fight 109 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,639 is going to be the opponent that I believe the public will demand that the 110 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,000 unders sputter champion Canelo Alvarez fights next. Hopefully that comes to pass. Uh, 111 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,600 you know, I don't know what they have planned other than the fact 112 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,879 that he intends to be in the ring come May on the Sinko de Maya 113 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,480 weekend, and certainly, you know, barring some kind of you know, 114 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:17,759 tremendous injury, there's no reason why the winner of this fight can't have a 115 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:21,439 good long holiday rest and then go back and have a legit training camp and 116 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:25,279 be ready to fight Canelo for the for all the belts. And by the 117 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:29,160 way, I concur with you, I think it is and especially if it's 118 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,720 been a vetus because he's been in position and it's within the PBC family. 119 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:36,240 Andre just came to the PBC family. But Sir, I think you would 120 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,079 agree. I think we would all agree that whoever wins this is the most 121 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,959 logical guy and sellable guy. I agree with you, yeah, and I 122 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,839 I like my tag. I call the winner of this fight the people's mandatory 123 00:07:48,279 --> 00:07:53,240 fair nothing. Now the winner will be an organizational mandatory too if the WBC 124 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,759 you know, says so uh, but his his uh mandatory is not due 125 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,120 Canelo. But the point is this is the most active fight, whoever is 126 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,120 the winner, and particularly if it's ben Avitez, because it just would probably 127 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,279 lend itself to a greater action. But in terms of the animosity, if 128 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:11,920 you will, they had a lot of shit talk between Canelo and dimitri Is 129 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,240 going back to win. Dimitrius present at his press conference following his knockout victory 130 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:20,040 over Billy Joe Sunders, where you know, he had some choice words to 131 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:22,000 say to Andre, not because Andre was rude, It was really his father, 132 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,759 as we've talked about. But anyway, this is a good main event. 133 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,600 I think there's a very significant style difference between these two guys. David 134 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,320 Denavitez, as anybody who spent three seconds watching him knows, he's a brawler. 135 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:35,240 He's a puncher, He's a guy that likes to just go after his 136 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:39,159 opponent. He's got a good chin. He's an undefeated fighter. You know, 137 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,600 he's twenty six, he's not even in the prime of his career. 138 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,200 Doesn't seem to me and then in Demetrius Andred. You know, he's older, 139 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,919 he's in the mid thirties, but he's undefeated. I think he's dramatically 140 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,919 underrated from the standpoint though, even though he hasn't had the big marquee names 141 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,279 on his record and he may not have humongous amounts of knockouts, he has 142 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,360 actually scored knockouts in three consecutive fights, and those were not against bumaps. 143 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,440 He also has in other fights, maybe not knocked outs, but he has 144 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,240 a tremendous amount of knockdowns if you take a look through the years on his 145 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,960 record. And this is the fight he's been wanting, this caliber of a 146 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,840 fight, and it's like both of the fighters said leading up to this matchup, 147 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,639 you know, we both needed a dance partner. I needed a guy 148 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,879 that had a reputation, that had, you know, a good name and 149 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:20,200 a good reputation, is what Benavitez was saying. And Andre, you know, 150 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:22,919 he said, I didn't have the choice and the you know, the 151 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,120 the ability to pick and choose. I want to fight. I needed to 152 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,840 fight a big, big name, and David was the guy willing to fight 153 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:33,240 me. So here we are. They both know what it means they've both 154 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,840 shown a lot of respect for each other. But I know that they're going 155 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:37,720 to fight their asses off when the bell rings. I expect nothing less than 156 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:43,039 that by all accounts. By the way, I've seen videos of Victor Conte 157 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,039 at his snack outfit in San Matteo, California. He's in the Andred camp, 158 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:52,320 and I've seen videos from Victor Demetrius. Andreid is in unbelievable condition. 159 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,000 I think you will see that at the weigh in on Friday, you know 160 00:09:56,039 --> 00:09:58,480 which is. We're taping this on Thursday, so we haven't seen him this 161 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,399 yet, but he looks like he's having at just a tremendous training camp. 162 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,320 I have no doubt about the Benavidez is going to be prepared. You know, 163 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,559 these guys are coming to do a put on a good fight. I 164 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,440 mean, I know that that that Andrea sometimes has left people a little cold 165 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,799 in his style, but he doesn't run. That's the thing. He's a 166 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:16,960 great boxer. He'll stand in the pocket. He'll just make you miss and 167 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,759 and then land his own punches. And Benavidez is going to stalk after him. 168 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:24,200 I think the styles will mesh nicely, and I'm hopeful that that will 169 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,039 translate. I don't expect to fight at the year, but I expect a 170 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,399 very solid and competitive fight for as long as it ghost. High stakes for 171 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,639 sure, and fair to say. It's the highest profile fight that Andre has 172 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:37,440 had. He's had world title fights, but I mean he's bend also by 173 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,399 the way, yes, and he's but he's been headlining it previously andred on 174 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,600 his own that has fewer people seeing it. I believe they won't ever confirm 175 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,480 that, but this this is a higher profile situation. And by the way, 176 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:50,799 you did prompt we are sponsored by our friends at PPV dot com. 177 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,320 Don't let me be negligent here that. In addition to hearing from Ryan Garcia, 178 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,240 Mark Bocarti is back on the podcast to tell you more about PPV dot 179 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:05,360 com and the great interactive part of this. Again, I won't ruin the 180 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:09,840 surprise. He's got something for you on the interactive part. You'll hear that 181 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:13,159 conversation as well later on here in the podcasts. They're sponsoring us and leading 182 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,960 up to this. Okay, so that's the main event you mentioned. Jamal 183 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,679 Charlo is in the co feature fight, a fight that is a non title 184 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:26,720 fight despite Jamal Charlo still having the WBC's middleweight crown and the fight's not even 185 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:33,679 a middleweight fight for this with Jose Benavidez Junior, the older brother of David 186 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,759 Benavitez, and Jose Benavidez Juniors only had one fight at middleweight himself. So 187 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:41,159 all right, what do you make of this? Give me a couple of 188 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,000 thoughts because Charlo back in the ring for the first time in what some what 189 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,480 is it twenty nine months since we last saw him two and a half years, 190 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:54,120 So thoughts on this. I have a few thoughts on it. One, 191 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,320 I'm happy that Jamal is back. I'm glad that he seems to be 192 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,159 doing better in his personal life because he obviously had a lot of issues. 193 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,000 He's talked about his mental well, his mental health problems he's had, and 194 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:07,600 you know, he may not go deep into it, but you know, 195 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,360 there's no question he was had, you know, an alcohol problem also that 196 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,840 contributed to his layoff. The layoff originally started. If you remember, he 197 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,960 was supposed to fight mass Hill so Celeski, an opponent actually that Demetris Andre 198 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,720 defeated a few years ago in a one sided fight where he also scored a 199 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:28,480 knockdown and that fight was called off because Charlie had a back injury. It 200 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:33,039 was termed to me at the time, you know, it's not anything significant. 201 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:35,039 He should be you know, ready to go, you know, maybe 202 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,879 a month and it would be rescheduled. That obviously never happened, and he 203 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:39,440 went into you know, and he was already to do that fight. It 204 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,720 was already coming off of the year layoff since his fight against one the Seas. 205 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:46,759 This was supposed to be. He had fought one to see Us Montielle 206 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:50,600 in June of twenty twenty one, his last fight, on one sided decision, 207 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:52,480 but looked pretty bad in the fight. He was supposed to come back 208 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:56,960 against Celeski the following June, also in Houston. This is June twenty twenty 209 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,320 two. They were doing They were doing the mo On Tiel fight and the 210 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:03,720 Celeski if I was supposed to be on June tenth in Houston, his hometown. 211 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:09,399 He didn't fight in the June twenty twenty two date, and now he 212 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:11,320 didn't fight the June twenty twenty three and here we are all the way into 213 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:18,080 November. Remember he passed on the opportunity to be Canelo's opponent in September, 214 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,159 because this was the opponent that was supposed to be the opponent, not his 215 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,720 brother Jermal, So it was sort of unexpected because again he was not prepared 216 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,360 either mentally or physically to do that fight. Now he's been back in the 217 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:33,320 gym and he's I guess, in good shape. So if this was the 218 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,159 Jamal Charlotte that we have known, the guy that had a win over Devyn 219 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,759 Schenko, the guy that had a nice win over Brandon Adams by almost a 220 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:46,159 shutout, the guy that defeated a very solid opponent in Matt Kruba for example, 221 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,320 those types of guys. Thing you would think to yourself, this is 222 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,919 a Charlotte win, no problem, because Benavides Junior is a pretty good fighter, 223 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,879 but not even close to being a middle eight. Now, just for 224 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:58,759 the record, this fight his contract at one hundred and sixty three pounds, 225 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,399 so it's not all the way at one six state, but it's certainly above 226 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,120 the middleweight limit by three pounds. Why he's not defending his title. It 227 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,039 kind of annoys me. If you're off two years plus and you're back in 228 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,399 the ring, you should be a total defense. But that's the gad there 229 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,200 agreed. So, but the charlot at his best or even close to his 230 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:18,919 best, or middling at his best, you'd figure Benavidez is an easy win 231 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,679 for him, just based on a lot of factors, size being only one 232 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,799 of them. Partly because if you look at Jose Benavitez's track record in his 233 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:28,840 history, there's really I mean, I'm not knocking the guy, and he's 234 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,080 a great amateur fighter, and he had some good moments when he was a 235 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,200 junior welterweight, but ever since he went up to the welterweight division, you 236 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,519 know, it's been very average. You Know, this big moment was against 237 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,879 Terrence Crawford. He got dominated and knocked out in the twelfth round. He 238 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:45,600 came back off that fight, that was a twenty eighteen loss to Terrence Crawford. 239 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,960 He didn't fight again for almost three years, a little over three years, 240 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,159 a matter of fact, and he fought to a draw against just a 241 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,639 regular opponent. Then he went up to junior middleweight. That that fight that 242 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:56,360 he came back from the Crawford fight, that was the middleweight fight or a 243 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,000 middleweight fight. He fought Danny Garcia in a Mitwaight fight, lost a close 244 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:05,480 decision, but a clear loss in my opinion. And then this was a 245 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:07,559 fight that I was actually at, which was in August of this year, 246 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:11,159 on the undercard of a fight that was at the National Harbor when they had 247 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:15,399 the bantamweight They Can title fight. This was a non televised about and he 248 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,279 stopped a guy just like a guy with a record of thirty six wins and 249 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:22,480 fifteen losses. They stopped you know, he stopped him in the fifth round. 250 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,240 I believe they were probably getting him ready for this fight, even though 251 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,919 we didn't know for sure at the time that he was going to be Charlote's 252 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:31,519 come back opponent. In any event, he's just done absolutely nothing, you 253 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,840 know, for years. So if it was a normal version of Charlotte, 254 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,879 you'd think, Okay, he's going to be the oppose Benavidez pretty endily. 255 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,480 But between his problems and a layoff, and and and the fact that at 256 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:46,480 least ben Avida is whatever you want to say, even if it was not 257 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:48,519 a great opponent, he's been in the ring just a few months ago. 258 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:50,720 Maybe he's a little sharp. He's been there training with his brother. Obviously, 259 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:54,039 you know, they're they're doing good work in that camp, so I 260 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:58,360 like his chances a little bit better, I guess. But you know, 261 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,440 with Charlot, I'm very interested to see what he has coming off of such 262 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,480 a long way off and in a pretty lackluster showing, even in a win 263 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:07,960 in the last fight. All right, So I got a couple of things 264 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,279 on this, and I wrote this for the Big Fight week in website. 265 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:14,799 In both cases, I don't know that we know what to expect, and 266 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,399 I don't know that either fighter knows what to expect, including Jamal Charlo. 267 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,240 How can you after being out of the ring for two and a half years, 268 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,919 and Ben Avitez here has again only he's been very inactive, only had 269 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:29,919 one fight like in the last almost two years. So I don't know what 270 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,519 we can expect. I will say this, and I will remain consistent that 271 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:40,759 the WBC should order Jamal Charlo to fight Carlos Odamis in short order after this 272 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,360 fight, especially when Jamal Charlo is talking again this week that I'm moving up 273 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:47,840 to super middleweight. All right, hold his feet to the fire. If 274 00:16:47,879 --> 00:16:52,039 that's what you're gonna do, then, for what it's worth, order comment 275 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,879 and let's go. The WBC had their convention last week in in news bekastand 276 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,919 and one of the things they said was after this fight, Charlotte will be 277 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,759 ordered to fight a Damas. And remember their original order was Adamis and Charlotte 278 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:10,119 were both permitted. One intern about Adamas had his but it was quite a 279 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,519 while ago, and so now he'll be ordered to do this. Whether he 280 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:15,200 moves up after that or not remains to be seen. I hope they don't 281 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,119 try to shove Jamal against Canelo down our throats in May, even if he 282 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,359 looked spectacular against Benavide's, because that would really, to me be kind of 283 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,839 ridiculous. But that's a complaint and a bitch and moan session for another day. 284 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,880 I'm happy to see Charlot back. We'll see if Benavide's I'm sure he's 285 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,119 going to be pumped up, you know, fight on the same big show 286 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,440 with his brother. One of the things that intrigues me about this, and 287 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,680 I asked David Benavitez about this in the interview that I did, was the 288 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:44,240 fact that his brother's fight is preceding his fight, so his father, who 289 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:45,759 is the trainer for both of the guys, is going to be in the 290 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:51,039 ring dealing with brother, while David is preparing in the back, you know, 291 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:52,680 in the dress room, warming up risk fight. Now, of course 292 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,319 they've got other guys on their team, but to me, you'd think you 293 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,559 not only you'd want your main guy there with you at the most important moment 294 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,839 of your career, combined with the fact that David maybe thinking you're worrying a 295 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:03,559 little about how his brother is doing, because as David has pointed, I 296 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,039 worry much more about my brother than I do about myself. Understandably, I'm 297 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:11,000 sure jose would respond in the similar fashion. So there is that dynamic there 298 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,359 where there you know, there's a little bit of things that are out of 299 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,160 the norm because her dad is going to be with the brother, and you 300 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,519 know, men, let's say maybe the brother gets knocked out. Okay, 301 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:22,640 that's maybe gonna throw the dad off a little bit. Uh, and that's 302 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,960 gonna upset everybody, and it's going to just make things You're just you're giving 303 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,640 what I think would be a good possibility, an advantage Andre that you don't 304 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,119 need to be giving him, so they should. Yeah, no, no, 305 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,599 I mean Andre, I mean Andre, Andre in the big in the 306 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,519 in the big fight. I'm sorry, and I understand they're trying to show 307 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:44,720 Jamal respect by having him in the co feature, but I feel like the 308 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:48,880 way this should have gone is that Charlo and Benevidia should have been the second 309 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,240 fight on the pay per view. Then you put in the Mattias in the 310 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,640 co feature and then the main event, and the reason is obviously because of 311 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,640 that, and you can still promote it in the same fashion. Obviously given 312 00:19:00,759 --> 00:19:03,200 much more of a promotion, especially when it's not a title fight like what 313 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,039 we're laying out. But again, but so much sense? Are we being 314 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:11,960 too logical? Again? Wet like this if something goes wrong because of whatever 315 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,880 happens in Jose's fight and somehow it trickles over to whatever happens in the main 316 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,160 event. I don't want to hear anybody on Team Benavide's brother or main event 317 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,960 complain about that because I think it's a poorly constructed timing in my mind. 318 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,480 But they're they're adults, will see what happens. But anyway, it's a 319 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:30,759 I'm looking forward to seeing Charlotte back in the ring of what Jose can show 320 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:34,720 him. Let's wrap this card too. Other world title fights, Mattias and 321 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:38,960 Hector Luis Garcia are both defending their titles and are both favored. Well, 322 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:42,240 we'll handicap it more on the bet Us Show. Quick thoughts here on this 323 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:45,839 before we move along, and we're eventually getting to Ryan Garcia and your conversation 324 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:52,279 with him. Well, I do think that the Mattias against uh ergyshev Is 325 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:56,440 is probably the most interesting fight other than the main event of the of the 326 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,519 main four of the other three television fights. First of all, Mattias is 327 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:03,319 a punching He is nineteen and one with nineteen knockouts. The one loss he 328 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,839 had was a decision that was not that long after he was involved in a 329 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,519 fight where his opponent died. He did exact revenge on that opponent who we 330 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:15,039 lost the decision to a fighter named Petros and Nanian, who he knocked out 331 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,079 in the ninth round of the rematch. He had an absolute war, a 332 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:22,119 great shootout with JEREMIAHS. Ponce earlier this year in February on Showtime to win 333 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:27,200 the vacant IBF title. That was a tremendous battle. And he's just an 334 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:32,039 all out puncher. He just when you think about the big names at one 335 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,559 hundred and forty pounds, whether it's Ryan Garcia, or it's tf Mo Lopez 336 00:20:34,599 --> 00:20:37,599 who's the champion with the WBO title and the lineal title, or you think 337 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,920 about you know, Regius pro Gray or Devin Haintey moving up to that weight 338 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,000 class, or you know, you can go on right down the line. 339 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,599 You know there's plenty of good talent in that division, Josey Ramirez and Arnold 340 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,119 Barbos and blah blah blah. We can go out and on. Certainly if 341 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,480 Tank Davis decides to fight there again, the one guy no one ever mentions 342 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,279 Suberal Mattias, but he might be the baddest ass of all of them, 343 00:20:56,319 --> 00:21:00,400 just because of that fierce punching power. So he's taken on his mandatory challenger, 344 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,359 Ergashev, who's twenty three to oh with twenty knockouts. Obviously he can 345 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,480 crack a bit too. He's also a southpaw. He's from Muzbekistan. You 346 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:11,839 know, their fighters have shown themselves be awfully tough in the pro ranks generally 347 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,680 speaking. His one bugaboo here because he's been waiting for this fight. He 348 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:18,480 has had not had the opportunity to fight since August the last year, so 349 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,880 it's a little bit over a year since his last fight, But this does 350 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,200 shape up like you know, you know, whoever can land the big punch 351 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,119 first is probably gonna do the damage. I think this has a chance to 352 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,200 be a real good shootout, similar to the Ponse fight. So I'm really 353 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,599 pumped up for this one. And and if Mattias wins, you know, 354 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,720 he's just another great name in a very deep weight class where there's you can 355 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:41,079 basically take about six or eight names and put them in a hat, pull 356 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,279 it out, and you can make a nice matchup with any of those guys. 357 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:47,599 You know. The biggest fight in that weight class is the one that 358 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:51,839 that Golden Point and Topprink are talking about about potentially between Ryan Garcia and Tiatimo 359 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,480 Lopez. But uh, for just moment by moment action in a fight, 360 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,279 if you give me subrial matias against a lot of these different guys, I 361 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:00,960 think you're gonna get yoursel hell of a fight. So that that's the Uh, 362 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,920 that's one of the title fights on the card. And when the other 363 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,119 one you talk about the other one too. That's the hector Luis Garcia. 364 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:10,960 He is defending the WBA's title at one hundred thirty pounds. Now, remember 365 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,759 when he won that title in August of last year and by beating Roger Gutierrez. 366 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:18,119 He has not yet defended that title because in his next fight, he 367 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,359 went up to one hundred and thirty five pounds and he fought for Gervonte Davis's 368 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:26,759 regular title in that weight class. This was the pay per view that tanked 369 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,240 it in January that he needed to win to set up his big fight in 370 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,039 April with Ryan Garcia and Hector Leis Garcia. You know, he gave a 371 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:37,359 pretty good account of himself. Wasn't a very particularly like a memorable type of 372 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,680 fight, but he did what he had to do to survive and get along 373 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,279 as long as he did. And you know, he won a couple He 374 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:45,400 wont some rounds in that fight. It wasn't like he was you know, 375 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,119 he probably won too two rounds in the fight. But in any event, 376 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,160 he did get stopped in the in the ninth round, so it was obviously 377 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,000 a clear loss. And now he because it was a lightweight fight, he 378 00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:57,960 retains he's still the title holder at one hundred and thirty. So now he's 379 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,119 back in that weight class and he is defending the belt in his mandatory against 380 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,799 Lamont Roach, who is a very classy boxer, twenty three to one in 381 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,160 one. Most people, if they've seen him, they saw because he was 382 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,359 with Golden Boys whole career and fought on those shows on the way up the 383 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,839 ranks. When he did get a world title fight back in twenty nineteen, 384 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,519 he was also the mandatory at that time for the WBO belt and he gave 385 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:22,160 a very solid effort and a pretty good fight against Jamael Herring. He did 386 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,519 lose a decision, but he's won four fights in a row since then, 387 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,759 and he's back in this position and I think, you know, he's still 388 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,799 not an old fighter, you know, in his late twenties, so for 389 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,680 him, it's a chance to win the title that has eluded him. But 390 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,480 it's time to sink or swim. I mean, you know, this is 391 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:44,720 a big opportunity for me and Hector. Luis Garcia to me is a good 392 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,240 fighter, but there is a winnable fight for both guys. All Right. 393 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:52,279 That concludes all the discussion about the showtime PBC card, just real quick earlier 394 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:56,599 in the day, and we'll be handicapping this one as well on the Friday. 395 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,640 Bet Us one Eastern Time Show on their platforms. The women undisputed junior 396 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,839 welterweight title held by Shantel Cameron in England. They will fight in Dublin, 397 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,119 Ireland. Katie Taylor gets the rematch. Cameron beat her earlier in the year. 398 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,599 This is the rematch. Give me something real quick on that one as 399 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,960 well. I mean, obviously I just set it up here. The rematch 400 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,519 is the industrigue here because Cameron beat her the first time around, well when 401 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:22,880 she beat her back in May. I mean, if you remember, this 402 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:27,440 was Katie's homecoming fight. She had never had a professional fight in Ireland. 403 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,079 The reasons were because of I know, I have to go out to the 404 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:36,240 details, but that was mom a mob related shooting involving the Daniel Kinahan crew 405 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,200 that took place at Away in Ireland basically banned professional boxing for a while. 406 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,400 So when Katie was turning pro, she fought all of her fights either in 407 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,759 America or in England and places like that, but she never had the opportunity 408 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:51,839 to fight in Ireland, where she is a national hero after her Olympic medal 409 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:56,960 and having become the undisputed women's lightweight champion, and also had previously won a 410 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:00,319 title at one hundred and forty. Now she had stepped up in May to 411 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,200 fight Chantel Cameron for the undisputed a Tunnel. Remember, this was supposed to 412 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:10,920 be the rematch between Katie and Amanda Serrano. Serrano got injured and was and 413 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,400 dropped out of the rematch for Katie's lightweight title, and Katie basically went on 414 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,599 social media and like very as because Katie, if you ever met the woman 415 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,279 is as nice and as polite and humble as any any athletes you'll ever meet. 416 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,680 And it was like the nicest call out I've ever seen one boxer to 417 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,559 another. There was no cursing and no foul language and no threats or whatever. 418 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:32,200 You know, it was pretty pleased. You know, it would be 419 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,119 a great deal if we could make this fight. I mean, she was 420 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,640 so nice about it, but they're both promoted by match Room Boxing and she 421 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,680 wanted to save her date in May of earlier this year, and so it 422 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:45,440 was like, within I felt like a few days of that post on her 423 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,559 social media that Matroom was able to make a deal with Chantel Cameron, who 424 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,440 agreed to put her undisputed title up and go to Ireland for Katie's homecoming fight. 425 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,720 It was a fantastic promotion, It was a huge event, It was 426 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,200 a sellout crowd. It was a fucking great fight. I mean, we 427 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,839 all know, we give the plot as to how great the fight was between 428 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,359 Katie and Serrano for women's boxing with just a fantastic action fight. Now, 429 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,359 maybe when Katie fought Chantel Cameron, it wasn't at that fever pitch level of 430 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,079 action, but a sures heck wasn't that far behind. It was a tremendous 431 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,440 battle. Katie Taylor lost a majority decision by one point in the ring. 432 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,440 She said, you know, I'll see you for the rematch. She had 433 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,000 obviously as the as the big superstar, she had the right to a rematch 434 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,200 in that fight, which she invoked immediately. And we're doing it again, 435 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,119 same arena in Dublin. And you know, anytime you're in a fight where 436 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,000 you're the possibility of you losing two in a row in boxing at the highest 437 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:38,720 level, you know, it's never a good thing. And particularly you know 438 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,799 it's not like you know, Katie has has a lot of wear and tear 439 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,680 on her at this age. Now, Chantell is thirty two years old and 440 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,440 only has eighteen fights in her career. Katie's got twenty three fights, but 441 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,039 she's much older. She's thirty seven, but she had way more amateur fights. 442 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:53,880 I mean, she's an older fighter and being honest, I mean as 443 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,680 great as she is, and she'll be in the Hall of Fame someday. 444 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,720 It's pretty clear if you watch her last handful of fights that she's slowing down 445 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,640 the little bit. I mean, that's obvious. But she's got a great 446 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,319 chance to write another huge chapter in her history if she can win this second 447 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,000 homecoming fight, if you will, and become she would be only the second 448 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,920 female boxer in the four beltier anyway, and really that's encompasses most of the 449 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,359 most of women's boxing history because it hasn't really been around in a meaningful way 450 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,559 since pretty much like the nineties, I guess. But there's only been one 451 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,359 other female to become undisputed in two way class, and that is CLARESSA. 452 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,559 Shields, who has been a two time undisputed at middleweight and also undisputed at 453 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:36,480 junior middleweight. So this is a huge moment for Katie. Cameron has a 454 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:40,000 great attitude about this, you know, she admitted this week in some of 455 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,200 her comments about you know, she won the fight fair enough, but she 456 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,599 talked about being in awe of Katie Teller going to Ireland and kind of getting 457 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,720 caught up in the hoopla of the whole thing. And she's still won. 458 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,319 And now she's like, look, I went through it already. Nothing's going 459 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,720 to phase me at all this time. I know what to expect, and 460 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:59,039 I'm at whatever my situation was of being in awe or being kind of unnerved 461 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,400 by my surroundings, no problem this week, because I've already done, been 462 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,839 there, done that same arena. She'll probably have the same dressing room, 463 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,200 so it's not gonna be an issue. So I expect another action packed fight, 464 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:10,720 and you know, I think either of these women can win the fight. 465 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:12,799 We'll see if Katie can dig down deep in and make history in front 466 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:17,160 of her hometown people and win on dispute of championship. And we know who 467 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,920 Amanda Serrano is rooting for, because a second Katie Taylor loss here takes a 468 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,000 lot of the steam out of their rematch. She wants Katie, obviously to 469 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,160 to you know, to get this opportunity, take advantage of this opportunity in 470 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,440 the rematch. We'll see what happens in that one. And again that's Saturday 471 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,759 afternoon US time, the match Room de Zone Show from Dublin. I'm looking 472 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,960 forward to that one. I'm really looking forward to seeing them again. We 473 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,279 got a we got a full day of fights coming for sure. All right, 474 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,240 full podcast that includes Ryan Garcia. We gave you a lot there, 475 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,119 Ryan, back in action coming up next weekend, not this weekend, but 476 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:51,319 next weekend. Well save the date because people are gonna talk about this next 477 00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:56,839 week December second, December second, Yes, the Toyota Center downtown Houston, 478 00:28:56,079 --> 00:29:00,799 Ryan and Oscar Duarte, which you're gonna talk to himbout out the caliber of 479 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,759 that opponent. Plus you're going to talk to him about the future. You've 480 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,079 been laying out some other possibilities earlier in this podcast. What about the relationship 481 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,079 with oh, by the way, Oscar de la Joy. Yeah, that 482 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,160 always seems to be hot cold, hot cold. What's the latest. Let's 483 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,279 get to that conversation right now. Well, I'm really happy to bring into 484 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,160 the podcast today the excellent junior Welter rate star Ryan Garcia. Ryan, we're 485 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,440 here to talk about your very important fight with Oscar Duarte. Coming up December 486 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,559 two, live on his own from the Toyota Center in Houston. I wondered 487 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,680 about your comeback. We'll talk about that. How are you doing. Thank 488 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,000 you so much for being on today. Yeah, thank you for having me 489 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:45,240 doing great Chinese gondwel and everything is running smoothly. So let's get into it. 490 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:47,599 Let's get into it. So we'll start off. We'll just backtrack a 491 00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:49,240 little bit before we get into the fight you got coming up. I want 492 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,240 to go back to April. Maybe not your greatest memory, but you did 493 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:56,720 have a huge pay per view fight with Tank Davis did big business one point 494 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:03,400 two million pay per view buys eight in Novata of almost twenty three million dollars. 495 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,920 But that was the good news. The bad news, of course, 496 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,839 you know, he did get the seventh round knockout. I just wondered if 497 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,079 you could talk to me about what it was like to sort of get over 498 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:15,279 your first loss and being involved in such a massive event for the sport. 499 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,319 You know, it wasn't uh, it was a devastating for me. You 500 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:23,359 know, I just didn't feel that was me at my best. It wasn't 501 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,880 me at my best. It wasn't something that even hurt my ego a little 502 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:33,480 bit. It was just something that I went through because at that point, 503 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,440 I didn't have this type of focus. I didn't have this type of dedication 504 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,880 or commitment to the game. You know, Ever since twenty twenty, what 505 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,440 happened, COVID happened, had to take some time off and after Cambo, 506 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,079 I took a year and a half off, and then I'm fighting. Then 507 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:51,000 I'm not fighting. There was just so much chaos and just things that through 508 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,839 my game, off my game, and I lost the love and I lost 509 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,119 the commitment and the focus for boxing, and I started doing stupid stuff, 510 00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:00,880 and then I started losing. I was how I fight? What kind of 511 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,640 stupid stuff were you doing? What do you mean by that? Man? 512 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,400 Like drinking and doing whatever I wanted. I was a younger. I could 513 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,880 do whatever I want, you know, I would. I would go parties, 514 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,759 you know, Jake Paul parties and just doing whatever I want. I 515 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:17,240 was having fun. But it got up to me because you know, after 516 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,640 I took those long layoffs, you know, how can I stay in the 517 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,000 gym? How can I wasn't doing anything but just having fun. So you 518 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,480 know, those things backtracked me a lot. And really caused me to you 519 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,880 know, not be the best fighter. But this fight, when I lost, 520 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,880 it woke up something else. It woke up you know, me to 521 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,680 think. I had to start thinking like, okay, what is what is 522 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,680 missing here? Because I know I'm good. I know I'm a great fighter. 523 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,240 I know that wasn't how I fight, Like what's going on? I 524 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,279 went to the thinking box and uh, it was just my commitment. So 525 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,559 when I got to Dallas, got out of Vala al A, got a 526 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:57,519 lot of distractions. I got to Dallas and just committed to committed, like 527 00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:01,440 like, I just trusted that if I commit and just stay in, locked 528 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:07,519 in, that myself will come out something like I'll figure it out. And 529 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,079 that's what happened, man, And that loss. I'm not even worried about 530 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:15,480 it at all. I feel great right now. One is definitely my weight 531 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:21,640 class, more forty at more forty seven, I'm pretty confident that I'm going 532 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,519 to start taking over a little by little. Well, you mentioned about you 533 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:28,160 knowing your weight class. Of course, when you fought Tank, the weight 534 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,680 was one hundred and thirty six. You know do you had to drop down 535 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,759 a few pounds at a catchweight and on top of that, you had to 536 00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:37,079 deal with the rehydration clause that you agreed to the weigh in on the morning 537 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:38,279 of the fight, so you were limited how much you could go up after 538 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:43,119 the weigh in. Uh. In looking back, you regret signing that part 539 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,960 of the agreement and insisting on better weight for you. No, I don't 540 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,640 regret it at all. Because boxing was born, nobody wanted to box, 541 00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:52,640 nobody wanted to fight. You know, look at me, me, not 542 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,079 even at my best. I was ready to give the fans what they want. 543 00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:59,680 You know. That kind of started a whole thing where, you know, 544 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,279 finally Crawl from the Spence figured it out and they threw down and people 545 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,680 started, you know, caring about boxing the game. Uh. But then 546 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:12,680 when fighters stopped fighting each other again, then they look to these weird fights 547 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,160 like Dean the Great and these random dues that that that suck at boxing. 548 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,119 And look at at least I brought some excitement in it, you know what 549 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,680 I mean, at least energy to the city. Wasn't my best performance and 550 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:29,079 actually wasn't need to be, but still that that was the purpose of that. 551 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:32,440 I'm tired of boxing was born. Now now it's popp now I'm ready 552 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,440 now because now everybody wants to got a little bit of balls now to fight. 553 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,599 Uh finally, because they seem it's a new blueprint. I showed them 554 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:45,000 give the fans what they want to make some good money. This is how 555 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,000 you do pay per views. Every fight got to be on pay per view, 556 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:51,559 only the ones that matten. That's that's the whole concept people got to 557 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,680 see. I mean, you were successful before the Tank Davis. You were 558 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,319 making good persons and you were very popular selling tickets. But I just wonder 559 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,359 when you have your first really big pay per view fight like that, is 560 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:05,680 a y'all overwhelmed by the money that gets made. I mean I heard Oscar 561 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,039 talk about how you may have made as much as thirty million dollars for the 562 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:13,280 fight with Tank Davis. Obviously it did a huge amount of business, and 563 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,360 if you made it even close to that, I got to believe that that 564 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,360 is a record purse for a fighter that never won a world title. Yeah, 565 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,559 was it overwhelming to make that kind of money. I mean, I 566 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:24,880 know it's the goal here besides the glory, but that's a big deal. 567 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,480 No, it was insane. I think I did make history on making the 568 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,599 most money without a world title efference. And I did make that. I 569 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,639 mean to make it very clear, and they made that, and I was 570 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,280 I was very astonished. I was like, whoa like, I was overwhelmed. 571 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,239 I couldn't believe it was in my bank account. And by the way, 572 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,159 the money is still going to be coming in because the pay per views 573 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:50,280 takes some time to count up. It's still rolling in. We're still receiving 574 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,519 checks too. But that's just a blessing and it's just to me in points 575 00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:58,679 of the direction world. I'm selling everybody. You know, there's a new 576 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,760 blueprint, and I I figured it out. I just didn't have a chance 577 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,880 to fight on pay per view, you know, I uh, the old 578 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,000 model just doesn't work. You can't put on every final pay per view. 579 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,360 It doesn't work like that, you know. And on top of it, 580 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,760 you know, Tank Davis is only doing two hundred k boys, one hundred 581 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,559 and fifty k boys. That's the true and then we fight one point too. 582 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,559 It's not wronge signs, you know, it's not hard to tell. 583 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,000 But yeah, it was a little overwhelming. A lot of money, a 584 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,599 lot of things that you face with that. You know, people you don't 585 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,719 know what their intentions are anymore. Then you just like oh shoo, like 586 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,039 like I'm like guarded up, but I'm also like such an open book, 587 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,960 so it's like kind of weird. Like everybody, I'm not one to give 588 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,880 a live advice to fighters, but my one piece of advice after all the 589 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,119 years I've done this is learn the word no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 590 00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,480 for sure, That's what I've been learning. I can't make no more 591 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:54,039 compromises. Man, I'm just saying no, can't do it. I'm sorry. 592 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:58,280 It's value better, all right. So back on boxing. The business 593 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,679 is interesting. But in terms of the boxing, of course, after the 594 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,719 fight, you split up with Joe Goosen, who is the trainer uh for 595 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,880 for that fight as well as some of your fights prior to that, you 596 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,519 went uh and worked with Derek James h got the blessing of Errold Spence and 597 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:13,199 now part of that gym down there working with Derek. If you can just 598 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,559 tell me how was that going? And I wonder what is what has Derek 599 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:20,400 showed you or brought to you That's maybe something different or better than what Joe 600 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,519 had with you. Honestly, me and Derek, Uh, you know, 601 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:31,679 Derek's been been really working with me about technique and just kind of polishing what 602 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,519 I do up, uh, and footwork and a lot of the that's what 603 00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:38,880 you really wanted to focus on foot for work, technique technique. So he 604 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,239 was drilling in the beginning of the camp. That's all I was doing. 605 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,559 If you see the videos, I wasn't going fast, I wasn't thought hard. 606 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,280 It was just technique, technique, technique. And then on top of 607 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,039 it, you know, he's he's always reminded me of not let up, 608 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,079 Like if I have a good day, he just called me right now, 609 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:59,159 that's what I ignore, uh, But he's always called me to say stop 610 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,559 let and don't let us just because he had a good day. I don't 611 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,480 care if you had a good day. I don't care how good you look. 612 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,159 Tomorrow is a new day. You got to get right back to. 613 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,960 And I'm like, okay, like because sometimes you get over that happy you 614 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,400 know, you start you start being so sharp as far and you say, 615 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,880 oh I got it now, So you know my personality, i'd be laughing. 616 00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:21,320 He always loved make sure that I get right back too. And it's 617 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,960 just a good vibe in the Jim good energy being in Dallas also me myself. 618 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:30,480 You know, just being more there, conscious and committed, it all 619 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,719 helps out, you know, the training can. So now you're taking on 620 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,320 Duarte. He's twenty six and one with one draw. He has twenty one 621 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,039 knockouts, so that's indicative that he does have some power. He's twenty seven, 622 00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:45,960 not an old guy. His only loss was a split decision in twenty 623 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,840 nineteen. Other than that, you know, he hasn't had any He lost 624 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,760 to a fighter named Adrian Estrella in a ten round split decision in twenty nineteen. 625 00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,199 Not a big resume, but he has a good reputation. So I 626 00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:59,960 wondered if what is your view of him and what have you glean if you've 627 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,159 watched him, or what Derek told you the type of fight you expect him 628 00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:06,760 to give you. You know, I know he's a tough fighter. I 629 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,360 know he's a bestive fighter. But it but it is a style that I've 630 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,079 seen many times before in Southern California, growing up in the gyms, Indio, 631 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:21,079 California, Coachella. Uh, you know, al Agent, I've seen 632 00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,400 it. Also, I think my experience and just where I'm at right now 633 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,760 is just gonna be way too much from I don't see him whinning around. 634 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,039 Uh, anything can happen about it. But I know that I just don't 635 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:37,239 see him be to me in any way. But I know he hits hard. 636 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,400 He got some people out. But this is for me. It's not 637 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,360 even about doing thing. It's about making an example of showing people this is 638 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,840 who's coming forward. Now, this is this is this is divine you're gonna 639 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,920 get and he's never gonna leave again. The one that was on the Prospect 640 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,880 of the Year Ryan, he's back. Yeah, there you go. Okay, 641 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,480 my prospect of here a few years ago got to make me look good. 642 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,360 I'm gonna make you leg and yeah, I got you did. Hey, 643 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,079 that's gonna be the best decision you've made. Wait, wait back in 644 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:12,239 five years. Well, I don't have the best decision because I did have 645 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,159 guys like Miguel Coto in the Hall of Fame, Canela Alvarez Vaselli. Give 646 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:20,840 me some time, give me some you got it, hey, first fight 647 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,760 to make thirty million time. Yeah, that's very good. So now this 648 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,519 may be a little bit delicate, but I have to ask you. You 649 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,159 go into this fight, you're in a lawsuit with your promoter. They sued 650 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:35,679 you to uphold and enforce your contract that they claim is valid. So I 651 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,960 and that's gotta be uh make everybody involved maybe a little uncomfortable. So I 652 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,119 wonder from your perspective, how is it to work with Golden Boy Oscar and 653 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,360 the team despite the fact that they obviously have some issues, maybe not specifically 654 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,199 with you, more maybe with your advisor in Guadalupe, Valencia, but still 655 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,800 with that as the backdrop, how has that been to deal with all that? 656 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,760 You know, Dan, I can't talk about that. I wish Oscar 657 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,199 said just business. All is good. It's just business, no comment, 658 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,320 no company, Okay, fair enough, I told you just saying no before, 659 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,920 no problem. All right. So another thing I want to ask about 660 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,119 in terms of not that stuff, but in terms of the boxing, is 661 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:21,760 that back a long time ago when I interviewed you as a younger fighter on 662 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,920 the Rise, I remember asking you one time about, you know, your 663 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,880 desire to be a world champion, and I was actually kind of taken aback 664 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,039 when you told me, like it really wasn't a big deal to you. 665 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,039 I think this is around the time you might be fighting, maybe before you 666 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:36,119 fought Lou Campbell, which was an interim title fight, but not not a 667 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:38,119 real major title. And I was a little surprised when you said, you 668 00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:42,920 know, I don't really really care so much about that. I wonder and 669 00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,239 my thought was, you know, that's how fighters validate themselves, even to 670 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,840 just win a world title, when they talk about like if they can get 671 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,840 in the Hall of Fame and stuff along those lines. Have you changed your 672 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,400 mind as a winning a world title as you get a little deeper into your 673 00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:00,320 career more important to you know, Oh yeah, that's where That's where I'm 674 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,000 at. You know, I want to become a world champion to validate myself 675 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,400 and uh, you know at that end of my belt. When I first 676 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,760 got into the game, my whole goal was to you know, gain traction 677 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,760 and you know, let people know who I am and you know, become 678 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,719 a huge known name. That was my goal. That was what it was. 679 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,880 And I figured out a way and I was like, oh, he'd 680 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,320 be good at the sport. Boom. I did it. Then I was 681 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,559 like, okay, now we can make a huge fight. And that was 682 00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:28,719 my next goal. I made a huge fight, made a ton of money. 683 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,280 Now my goal is okay, now I know I could be the best 684 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,039 fighter. Let me be the best fighter I could be and become a champion 685 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,960 and show people I could do that. So I kind of had like a 686 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,440 whole thing in my head. But from the loss, you know, that 687 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,280 woke that competitive spirit in me again. It was like me back in the 688 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,639 afterh Okay, you got one on me. All Right, I'm gonna come 689 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:53,800 back and string these wins in again and and and become a champion. And 690 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,440 then I'm gonna run that right back and beat them because I know I'm a 691 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,079 better fighter. I don't better if when I show and I will be you 692 00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:06,559 mean in a rematch. Oh, I'm gonna get that rematch. Okay, 693 00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,000 Well before before the rematch, I want to just wrap up with this. 694 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,119 Uh. There's been a lot of discussion from Bob Aaron from Top Rank, 695 00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:16,960 and from Oscar from Golden Boy. Actually I spoke to about this, saying 696 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,960 that when him and Bob met recently, because they do have some business to 697 00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:23,119 talk to with different fights and fighters, that one of the things that was 698 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,840 predominant in that conversation that took place not that long ago is the prospect of 699 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,440 what would be an I, in my mind, a really huge fight between 700 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,079 you and the WBO lineal champion of the Junior waltheweight division TF Malopez. You 701 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:42,480 guys are two big names, big personalities, exciting styles, both young. 702 00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:45,519 How does that sound to you? And do you think it's realistic to happen? 703 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,760 They're talking about doing it like in the first fight in the next year 704 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,320 after if you as long as everything goes well for you to come up against 705 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,119 the warte. Yeah, we've been talking about that. Like I said, 706 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,880 I'm ready for him. I'm ready for everybody. I want to become a 707 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,639 champion at one for Uh, my coach is gonna just making these decisions, 708 00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,159 Derek. You know, I asked Derek, who does he want me to 709 00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:12,519 fight coming back? Showed him who I want, who I could fight, 710 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,079 and he picked offs the door to So same thing is gonna go here. 711 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,800 Whatever Derek wants is gonna happen. I don't care. Wherever they want is 712 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,800 gonna happen. What is it? Does your heart say, give me to 713 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,800 your female because he's a big name and he's the real champion. Yeah, 714 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,199 I mean that's who I want. I've been calling him out for a minute 715 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,800 because I know I could beat him, so I'll run it with him. 716 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,840 Uh, we gotta figure that that out. I asked Oscar. He said 717 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,760 he wants to do the msg spear uh and I was like, okay, 718 00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:45,280 whatever. I even messaged to a female little bits on Instagram. I said 719 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,079 I had told him do you want to fight? Because he was complaining about 720 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:51,599 only made a million dollars blah blah blah, and I said, hey, 721 00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:53,440 man, like do you want to make some real money? And then he 722 00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:58,639 said something about like oh Ryan messages me and blah blah blah, Like didn't 723 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,800 you just say you wanted to make more? But he's hoting this is a 724 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,880 fight that you would make money. So yeah, I would love to fight 725 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,320 him, honestly. Well, hopefully that will happen. Obviously got du war 726 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,840 Teddy get through first December second in Houston on his own, Ryan, I 727 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,440 wish you the best of luck in that matchup. I appreciate your time as 728 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,960 always in good luck to you. Hey, God bless you, Dan besive 729 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,599 good stuff as always, and again that that fight week is about to be 730 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,280 here and that battle is about to be here with Duarte. Oscar dal la 731 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,760 Hoya said to you that he was a bit surprised. This is a high 732 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,159 caliber opponent. That Ryan is jumping right back in there with all right, 733 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,039 your your thoughts recapping the interview with Ryan. I think Ryan has a great 734 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,400 attitude going into this fight. You know, he's coming off the loss to 735 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,880 Tank Davis. You know, if you listen, you heard him talk. 736 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,119 I asked him about the money he made thirty million dollars reportedly from what Oscar 737 00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,400 said. He said, absolutely that is what I made thereabouts, and the 738 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,559 money is still coming in. And I think he's got the right attitude. 739 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:58,679 You know, whatever his hot and cold situation with Oscar, he gets it 740 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,199 the way Oscar got it. When Oscar was in his heyday as the money 741 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,519 maker, as the rain maker, as the guy that every wanted to fight, 742 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,280 who could you know, bring in big crowds and big pay per view 743 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,800 audiences no matter what, he still would fight his biggest fights on pay per 744 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,119 view. So when he's fighting Pernol Whittaker or I Quarte or Hector Camacho, 745 00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:19,199 those types of fights. But then when he was fighting the guys that were 746 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,400 where he could have put them on pay per view and maybe still done decent 747 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,199 numbers, but nothing great he wanted to. Still he still can make a 748 00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:30,199 good payday, but when he was fighting the Oba cars and Patrick Sharpentier's and 749 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,400 you know fighters along those lines. He was back on HBO, taking a 750 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,920 lesser purse but still making a lot of money. And I think he under 751 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,239 Oscar understood that I can create my brand and make it bigger by putting these 752 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,920 fights in front of my fans that doesn't cost a lot of extra money, 753 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,440 and we'll save the big ones for pay per view when it makes sense and 754 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,119 we can make even more money. And Ryan has been talking about the same 755 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,400 thing. I don't want to put every fight on pay per view. I 756 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,519 want to put the big fights on pay per view, and for the regular 757 00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,920 fights, I want to bring it to the fans. I'm still going to 758 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,719 be a paid but we'll do this on non pay per view. And that's 759 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,559 how you can make yourself a brand name and game loyalty from your followers and 760 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,039 all that. So he gets it, and I'm happy to hear that. 761 00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,880 You know, he's not just reaching for every single dollar on the table, 762 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,239 because there's no question that even coming off of a knockout loss to Tank Davis, 763 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,440 they could have put a fight together for him on pay per view and 764 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,079 he probably still would have done you know, somewhere in that one point fifty 765 00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,400 range no matter who he was fighting. But you know what, I'm happy 766 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,000 that he didn't do that. They're going to put this on regular dezone. 767 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,679 He looks great. They can make a big fight next. Maybe it'll be 768 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:34,280 against t Themo Lopez as Oscar and Aaron have been talking about doing for the 769 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,840 next fight, perhaps as soon as February. That's a huge fight. I 770 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,800 don't know if it does one point two million pay per views like the Davis 771 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,280 fight did, but I assure you that that will be a huge money making 772 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,079 fight for both sides. So we'll say, I thought Ryan he's in the 773 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,679 right frame of mind going into his first fight coming off of a loss, 774 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,159 good enough, And we'll obviously talk a bunch more about that fight next week 775 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,360 off the Thanksgiving weekend into December. Man, did I just say out loud 776 00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,920 that it's December? Nice and holy cow? All right? Fight news Jermale 777 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:08,880 Charlow making news off of this uh off of this weekend with the vacating of 778 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,800 another one of his belts. So the undisputed champ that already no longer had 779 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,079 the WBO belt once he stepped in the ring with Canelo Aubarez is now not 780 00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:21,519 the IBF champion any longer as well, So go ahead on that. We 781 00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:23,960 talked about it all the time when it's it's not that it's easy to unify 782 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,639 and become a disputed but it's inevitable that when you do, except in rare 783 00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,519 circumstance like what's going on with Canelo, who's been able to keep the doubts 784 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:36,280 together for a good bit of time, that the mandatories and things other obligations 785 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,559 sneak up on you. And you know, he knew he was being stripped 786 00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,360 of the WBO title when he fought their Canelo fight. That was, you 787 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,199 know, just part of the way things worked out because Zoo had been waiting. 788 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,159 He had canceled the fight with Zoo early in the year because of the 789 00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:50,760 hand injury, and everybody knew that when this fight with Canelo was over, 790 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:55,719 next up was his mandatory against Murtaza Love in the IBF. He has taken 791 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,119 multiple step asideals. He has fought on under cards, he has been on 792 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:01,800 other PBC shows, but at some point, you know, you kind of 793 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,840 got a shit or get off the pot. So at this point that was 794 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,639 the fight that was next and I don't even blame Charlotte. I mean, 795 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:08,679 once you give up one and you're not in dispittot, what the hell is 796 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,039 there? And say you two, all you're doing is saving yourself three percent 797 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,920 off your next fight on a sanction fee. So bachram Mura Toazlov doesn't bring 798 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,920 a lot to the table. He's not that, he's not a bad fighter's 799 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,280 twenty one to Oh, he's just not known. So it's not a big 800 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,239 money fight for Charlot. And he was not prepared after that September fight to 801 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,280 suddenly be, you know, working out another deal. And you know, 802 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,599 so he waited till just a couple of hours prior to the PERSPID that was 803 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:39,599 supposed to establish the promotional promotional situation for the mandatory because they didn't make a 804 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:44,480 deal, and and he notified the IBF a couple of hours before that per 805 00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,679 SPID and basically does what did what most fighters do when they have such a 806 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,039 situation. He thanked them for the opportunity and he vacated the title. And 807 00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:54,480 so now that the title is vacant, like a couple hours after that happened, 808 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,679 the IBF pretty much I'm sure knew this was coming day wasted no time. 809 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,880 They are ordered murtaz Leev to fight the next leading available contender in their 810 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,360 rankings, which is Jack Colka, who is a fighter out of Germany who 811 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,360 has fought for the world title before. And they have thirty days to make 812 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,119 a deal, and if they don't, it'll go to a purspit and so 813 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,480 most likely scenarios you'll see those two guys link up and the winner will become 814 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,840 the new you know, IVF titlelder when they fight. Give me a quick 815 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,440 answer, is Jamel Charlo inclined? What are you hearing to finally fight Tim 816 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:30,960 Zoo or are they both gonna fight somebody else? And the best we can 817 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,760 hope for is late next year on Zoo and Charlow thought, I don't think 818 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,920 decision has been made. I don't I don't think that. I don't think 819 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,880 Charloe's gonna fight Tim Zoo. I mean Tim zu Is. George Rose, 820 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,280 who is Tim's promoter from No Limit Boxing, was talking just a couple of 821 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,880 days ago because Tim's brother, Uh, his younger brother, had a boxing 822 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,639 match exactly yes, another one of the fighting Zoo brothers had a fight, 823 00:49:54,639 --> 00:50:00,400 and around that fight was talking about the next step for tim which is going 824 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,079 to be some time, I think in the early spring, like March ish 825 00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:06,599 February maybe at the earliest, and they were talking about I think one of 826 00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,440 the names they brought up was the possibility of fighting Eric s Lubin, who 827 00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:14,079 was coming off the controversial victory he had in the last fight a couple of 828 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,440 months ago. So there was really no mention of the Charlotte fan. I'd 829 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,760 be a litle surprised if that happens. I'd love to see it because I 830 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,719 think at this point in time, you know, it's pretty clear that the 831 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,320 two top guys at one hundred and fifty four pounds are Charlot and Zoo, 832 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,480 and it's a that's a sexy fight, it's a big names and we were 833 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:36,679 by the broken hand injury and that was the last January. Do you believe, 834 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,760 quick answer, is he going to vacate the other belts and just move 835 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:44,679 up to middleweight or do you think he defends against somebody eventually? Jamel Charlo 836 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,039 educated guests. I kind of suspect he'll still fight at one fifty four even 837 00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,119 if he maybe he does vacate another belt and he just down to one belt. 838 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,760 But I do think he stays around. And the reason I say that 839 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,159 is because I don't know what his plans are when he wants to be back 840 00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:00,840 in the ring. He was pretty clear his post fight press Carrents after the 841 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,840 Canelo loss that he was coming back to one fifty four, the thing about 842 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,840 going to one sixty, which I guess he could do. But the problem, 843 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,199 and the same problem that his brother faces. Who's got a title even 844 00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,719 if this next fight's not a title fight, is the middleweight division. I'll 845 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,679 use your favorite word is beref of top names? There it is, well, 846 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,679 thanks doing night late there there you go. It just vo devoid of 847 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,119 names. There's just I mean, if you okay, let's see, he 848 00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:27,559 wants to go to middleweight. Who are you fighting? Triple G is half 849 00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:30,400 in retirement, probably not fighting anymore. You know Jannen Beck, you know, 850 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,760 has got two of the belts. But that's that's not a fight that 851 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,880 brings a huge amount of money's with top rank. There's a whole lot of 852 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,239 problems making that matchup with but it's not a really big fight, and so 853 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,880 a right, you know, who else is he fighting? So I kind 854 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,119 of suspect he's staying at fifty four at least for another fight and hopefully can 855 00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:46,599 take on the you know whoever the best guy available. I can zoo, 856 00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,519 that would be fantastic. I'm not gonna hold my breath. A couple of 857 00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:57,199 other news items, and then another guest here before The nostalgia Women's Undisputed Flyweight 858 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,639 Championship fight is now on the tell me more about that real quick. So 859 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,159 not signed, sealed and delivered just yet, but I am told by those 860 00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:08,360 involved that you have Marlin Asparza, who is the United States Olympians. She 861 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:15,400 is currently the holder of the WBCWBA and WBO Women's Flyway titles. And Gabriella 862 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,440 Fondora, who is the younger sister of the one hundred and fifty four pound 863 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:24,920 contender Sebastian Fundora. She won the IBF title last month on October twenty first, 864 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,400 and to pick up that belt that but she's very young. She's you 865 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,719 know, you know s Marlin's you know on she's been around while she's thirty 866 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,840 four years old. But Fondora, she's only twenty one. But they're making 867 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,719 this match for them to fight for the women's undisputed championship among the women's flyway 868 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,719 and the fight will be on January sixth, that will take place on his 869 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,719 own in Las Vegas. It'll be the one of the undercard fights on the 870 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:51,000 night that Virgil Ortiz makes his return in the junior middleweight division to take on 871 00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:53,480 Frederick Lawson. But if you're a fan of women's boxing, you know you've 872 00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:58,760 got the veteran Marlin Asparsa with three titles against the young, heavier handed, 873 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:04,159 more exciting fighter in Gabriella Fondora. Put it on the line for the undisputed 874 00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:06,639 title. And you know, I don't care if you're talking about you know, 875 00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:08,639 women flyweights or men's heavyweights. If you can have a unisputed champion, 876 00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:12,440 that's always a good thing for the sport. So that is what is in 877 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,599 the in the in the I guess you could call it being finalized. It's 878 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:17,360 not done yet one hundred percent, but by all accounts from both sides, 879 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,119 they tell me that's the fight that's happening, definitely being talked about, all 880 00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:24,960 right. And there's also news just real quick to former unified junior middleweight champion 881 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:30,480 Jared Hurt will be back, but it's it's not necessarily high profile or the 882 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,840 highest profile situation, but he is coming back. Give me the update on 883 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,480 that as well. Sure. I mean when Jared was in his best days, 884 00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:38,679 I mean he was the most one of the most exciting fighters in boxing. 885 00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:42,119 Remember he won the Fight of the Year a few years ago in a 886 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:46,039 fantastic battle against Arisceloni Laara to unified titles at junior middleweight. He's fallen on 887 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,480 some hard times. He's lost three fights and all he got stopped in an 888 00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:53,599 upset in a in the tenth round in a tremendous battle that took place earlier 889 00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:58,079 this year against Jose ar Mendo Rizendez. And after that fight, you know, 890 00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,239 Jared talked about retirement and you know, sort of thinking what he's going 891 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,960 to do. Obviously he's decided he's not retiring, so he's you know, 892 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,800 that fight was at middleweight. He's staying at middleweight, and he's going to 893 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,519 be back on a on a smaller show December, not not even televiy show. 894 00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:13,679 There'll be some kind of stream for it, I guess somewhere, but 895 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,920 December eighth and Bethland, Pennsylvania on a King's Promotion cards. King's Promotions, 896 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:22,440 which is Marshall Kaufman's company, they've worked closely over the years with a PBC, 897 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,320 and so Jared will be on that show against just a regular opponent, 898 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,880 ty Edmunds of fourteen and five, not a big name or anything. It's 899 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,519 an eight rounder. But the fact of the matter is Jared at one time 900 00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:34,920 was the number one junior middleweight in the world. It wasn't that long ago, 901 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,000 and like I said, he's had a couple of tough losses and he's 902 00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,159 keeping on keeping on it. Incidentally, that card, also on under card, 903 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:45,760 you also have the former two time super middleweight world title challenger who was 904 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,639 in some terrific battles with Zerto Ramirez, Jesse Hart. He's going to be 905 00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,199 on that card also, he's a You know, this card's taking place pretty 906 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,320 much outside of Philadelphia, and that's where Jesse is from. So I'm glad 907 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,239 to see these guys who even if though they've been you know, either world 908 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,119 champions or can or fought for titles, they're not sitting around just waiting to 909 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,639 have somebody tap them on the shoulder and say let's go on a big show. 910 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,039 You know, if they want to make a living and stay in shape 911 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,440 and stay in fighting condition, you got to get your ass in the ring 912 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,760 and that's what these guys are doing. Love all of that. 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If you just want to 920 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,639 watch the pay per view on Saturday night with this showdown in the world title 921 00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,400 fights on the undercard that we're talking about, just do it with PPV dot 922 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,320 com. And who better to help us. He's back here on the podcast. 923 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,199 Mark Bocarti is back with us here from PPVD, the head honcho of 924 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:06,880 events and entertainment and all that's there. Good to have you. I have 925 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,840 to ask this this is vital Did we get enough to eat? Did we 926 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,880 consume enough for Thanksgiving? As we head to the weekend in the pay per 927 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,760 view, how are you? I'm great, Thank you, I'm great, 928 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,880 and I'm full. I don't think I need to eat again until next Thursday. 929 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,599 But we're feeling good and we're excited for what we have on Saturday night. 930 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,360 No doubt I have fulfilled my role yet again for about the thirtieth year 931 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,840 in a row of marriage and being with the in laws and whatever of consumption, 932 00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:35,239 consumption as the primary role off the weekend, and let me publicly shout 933 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,719 out PPB dot com. You guys didn't have to do this, but you 934 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,519 sent out desserts. I mean, the way to win over the media at 935 00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:44,039 holiday time is go right to the stomach, right to the appetite. You 936 00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:47,960 sent out. I have never in my life had a sour cream walnut apple 937 00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:52,639 pie, but you guys sent me up with this the company Little Pies. 938 00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:54,800 You set me up with a pie. And I want to just say publicly, 939 00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,760 i am in my fifties and I've now had a sour cream apple pot. 940 00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:04,280 So I'm glad. You're welcome, and I'm glad we could be part 941 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,000 of that. You know, you know the old saying the way to media 942 00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:10,599 members hard to see their stomach directly, right. I think we checked that 943 00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:14,760 box on this one and a forty five degree angle. Take care of the 944 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,719 media by bribing them and feeding them. All Right, enough goofing around about 945 00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:22,199 the eats. This fight, this main event, and this fight card very 946 00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:27,679 intriguing. Two of the premier super middleweights that are not world champions. Benavetez 947 00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:32,599 is a former WBC world champion. Andreid is a former middleweight world title holder 948 00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:37,800 WA middleweight title. Both unbeaten, both looking at bigger, bigger fight maybe 949 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,280 with Canelo Alvarez, whoever wins. All right, tell me more about this 950 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,559 main event on PPV dot Com Saturday night from Vegas. Yeah, well, 951 00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,199 you mentioned, you know, one of the big attractions of this fight is 952 00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:53,280 the dangling carrot for both of these guys. Is Canelo possibly Canelo and may 953 00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:59,559 So. I think this is a bit of an audition to get there now 954 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,360 on their own. Could each of them fight Canelo, Sure, but I 955 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:06,480 think having them fight each other really sets the clear path for who's going to 956 00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,840 get that fight next year. So that's one really intriguing aspect of this. 957 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,760 The other is you mentioned, you know, the undefeated probably you've had a 958 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,360 lot of undefeated versus undefeated. But it's kind of you know, this one's 959 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,480 unique too. It's a little bit of opposing styles, right. I mean, 960 00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,880 Benavitez has that start a little bit slower and grind you know, someone 961 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,679 down and you know, late round knockout. You know that that seems to 962 00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:32,519 be his path and a lot of his fights, and Andrea it is more 963 00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:37,480 explosive from the start, right and and so you know, you get these 964 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,280 two different styles competing, and that's what makes for a really exciting fight. 965 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,480 So it's going to be a good one. And here's the other thing. 966 00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:46,159 Andred is highly motivated. You know this, and for the audience, they 967 00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:49,880 mostly know this. It's listening to us. He's highly motivated because he hasn't 968 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,360 had one of these big stages maybe ever like this. Yes, he's had 969 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,880 world title fights, but this is a big enough stage in Las Vegas right 970 00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,559 now where you can make that argument. And so he's been looking forward to 971 00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:04,119 this, not just for a little bit, for years. And let's see 972 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,599 how motivated he is in this case for the main event. And you've got 973 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,800 world title fights on the undercard. First of all, Jamal Charlow and we 974 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,159 were joking around about this, Like Haley's comment has come back around and he 975 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,920 is now back in the ring for the first time in over two and a 976 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,039 half years. Right at two and a half years. He is in the 977 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:23,800 co feature fight in a non title fight, and you've got two other world 978 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:30,199 title fights as well on the undercard. A pretty stat card on PPV dot 979 00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:32,119 Com coming Saturday. Yeah, it is, you know, And it's one 980 00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:37,480 of those rare events where I've had several media members and just general industry followers 981 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,159 call me, text me, email me and say, hey, this is 982 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,760 this is a really good card. You know. Well, we're not used 983 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,800 to this, right so, so I think that that that's a really attractive 984 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,920 part to make this card happen. And at the end of the day, 985 00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:55,840 a lot of the economics of these big boxing events make it hard to put 986 00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,800 together a one hundred percent stacked card from art to finish. Promoters do their 987 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,639 best to try and do it. This is one I think that really does 988 01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:08,320 live up to the pre fight hype with a couple title fights as you mentioned, 989 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:13,880 big names, and then all leading up to Benevidez Andreid. We love 990 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,400 that Mark Boccardi with me for a couple more minutes PPV dot Com again. 991 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,800 The showtime premiere Boxing Champions pay per view is Saurday Night in Vegas. We 992 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,000 want you to utilize PPV dot Com for a couple of different reasons. As 993 01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:28,039 I mentioned, you don't need a subscription, it's a one off purchase, 994 01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:34,920 and also you've got great interactive stuff that's always going on, including with arguably 995 01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,440 the voice of boxing the last forty years, Jim Lampley. I know you 996 01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:43,800 had Jim as part of the coverage of Canelo and Jamel Charlo back in late 997 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,960 September. He's back with Lance Pugmeyer and they're going to be interacting with the 998 01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:52,639 fans on PPV dot com commentary, going on, answering questions, answering comments, 999 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,559 going back and forth. Tell us more about that aspect as well, 1000 01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:00,199 Mark, Yeah, absolutely so. One of the things that's happened since the 1001 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:06,079 Canelo Charlo fight is we have announced that we've assigned Jim, so we're gonna 1002 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,360 have Jim work with us through twenty twenty four. That's really exciting. As 1003 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,920 you said, the voice of boxing, the face of boxing, you know, 1004 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,239 certainly from a broadcasting and media perspective for decades. So he's going to 1005 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,039 be working with us, and you're right, he will be part of the 1006 01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:23,000 chat on fight nights, which is great an exciting fan. You know, 1007 01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:28,760 the Canelo Charlo chat was you know, just outstanding in terms of the number 1008 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,679 of people who wanted to chat with him and the types of conversations. That 1009 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,679 was great. But also we wanted to make sure people heard Jim, literally 1010 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,360 heard his voice, which you can't do in chat. So during these fight 1011 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:45,119 weeks this past week concluded, what we do is we have Jim on site. 1012 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,400 So Jim is in Vegas, he's covering the events, We have him 1013 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,960 doing some reports for us on our socials. We post them on PPV dot 1014 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:58,840 com as well. So it's a truly integrated experience with Lampley and with Land. 1015 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,239 So we're excited to have them back and it's it's going to be a 1016 01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:05,519 fun night again with them at the Helm. And let's emphasize it one more 1017 01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,679 time because they're going to get a great interactive part of this. But they 1018 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:13,440 get this in ten ADP and four K whatever they need to stream it. 1019 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,559 And best of all, it is a one off purchase with PPV dot Com. 1020 01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:21,360 Elaborate again. Yeah, no, absolutely, that is a key differentiator 1021 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,360 for us, and we've had a lot of really good positive feedback from our 1022 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,920 fans. Some people come to our site and say, hey, wait, 1023 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,320 where's the subscription. We literally remind people on social when they email us, 1024 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:35,920 No, no, no subscription required, just buy what you want and off 1025 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,320 you go. And I'll drop in a little tease as well. So the 1026 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:44,360 following weekend, on Saturday, December second, we are going to carry as 1027 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:49,039 a pay per view, live pay per view the final Kiss concert ever. 1028 01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:52,840 Oh Hello our garden, Oh hello. As the band has decided that this 1029 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,760 is it. They swear this is it, because yes they have said this 1030 01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:01,039 before, but considering they're in their mid seventies and they just want to hang 1031 01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:04,920 it up, We're going to do the live pay per view on PPV dot 1032 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,760 com. That is fantastic. And you know, my man Rayfield, my 1033 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,239 colleague, my wingman, the big fella, the insider. He may be 1034 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,920 the biggest Kiss fan on the planet. So I don't know how much he 1035 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:19,039 knows about this, but he is down down with a capital D on Kiss 1036 01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,639 and the final concert being on PPV dot com. What a tease on that 1037 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,840 he not only does he know about it, I think he's already bought his 1038 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,039 face paint and I told him we need him in the chat. We need 1039 01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:34,239 his yes, you know, in the fan react videos, so we got 1040 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,480 to see him. But yeah, no, he's he's pumped for it. 1041 01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:40,079 And he again he collects everything Boxing memorabilia unbelievably, could open a museum. 1042 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:45,239 But he's got Kiss memorabilia and Kiss stuff, so that's tremendous too. Again, 1043 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,800 find out more at ppv dot com and again publicly, Mark, thank 1044 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,159 you. We enjoy the relationship. We're happy to help promote this and we 1045 01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:57,599 want fans to understand moving forward that they can utilize your service. If you 1046 01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,800 do not want a long term six month or one year come with a streaming 1047 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,679 service, etc. But you want to see the biggest events, you're gonna 1048 01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:08,480 do it through PPV dot com anything else, or rather, I'll just add 1049 01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:11,880 one, Yeah, I'll add one other quick thing. This is Showtime's last 1050 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,320 pay per view event, so in many ways, this is the end of 1051 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,679 an era, another era after the HBO shuttering of Boxing a few years ago, 1052 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:24,559 so it's a little bit of a bittersweet event for us. They've been 1053 01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:29,000 fantastic partners. They put on some of the biggest events. They helped resurrects 1054 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,840 boxing, certainly in the latter part of you know, since Steven Espinoza came 1055 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:38,480 on and they brought back Floyd Mayweather. So they've had an incredible run. 1056 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,199 They've been great, great partners, and it's gonna be sad to see them 1057 01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:46,440 go. But having said that, PPV dot Com will still be here for 1058 01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:53,360 fans going forward, So regardless of how PBC shakes out with respect to pay 1059 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:58,519 per view, we will be your pay per view option in twenty twenty four. 1060 01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:00,159 So we're excited to be here for all the We look forward to it. 1061 01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:06,480 Well said to thirty seven years of high end, tremendous production, tremendous 1062 01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:12,360 championship fight night after championship fight night from showtime. Well said on that with 1063 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,360 the job that they've done and they get to do it one more time here 1064 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,679 in Vegas, we're looking forward to Benavitas Andre, PPV dot Com is where 1065 01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:23,239 it's at. Mark, Thank you so much. We look forward to much 1066 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,360 more being with you in the coming months and in twenty twenty four. We 1067 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,440 appreciate it here on the Big Fight Weekend preview podcast. Thank you, TJ. 1068 01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:35,199 Happy holidays to you and all your listeners. So pretty cool stuff. 1069 01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:39,920 And again we thank our friends at PPV dot com for being part of what 1070 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,880 we do on this podcast. And as he mentioned, Jim Lampley will be 1071 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,360 there interacting with the fans this entire weekend, doing a bunch of social media 1072 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,159 stuff, but interacting on fight night in the chat with Lance Pugmeyer, your 1073 01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:56,679 colleague, just like they did for the Canelo Alvarez Jamel Charlow fight. So 1074 01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,840 again I just emphasize one more time if you are looking for the one off 1075 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,159 purchase PPV dot com, that that is the way to go. And we 1076 01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:09,679 appreciate Mark and their sponsorship and all of that. All right, nostalgia time 1077 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:15,199 before we are done. Oh are these nostalgia items any good? When they 1078 01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:18,639 involved Canelo Alvarez, Mike Tyson becoming heavyweight champion and gotty Ward. I think 1079 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:23,679 they are. We could sit here for another hour, but Rayfield wants to 1080 01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:27,880 go have another turkey leg, all right, So hold on, hold on. 1081 01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:30,840 I do not like dark meat turkey, please, Okay, but you 1082 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,239 don't want a turkey leg, but maybe maybe a side or something you gotta 1083 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,880 go get, gotta go snack on something, all right. So eight years 1084 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:43,360 ago Earlier this week, Canelo won the lineal and vacant WBC Middleway title over 1085 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,119 Miguel Coto. What do you remember you were there for that November twenty first, 1086 01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:48,679 twenty fifteen. Give me a couple of things you remember about that? 1087 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,920 Well, what I remember mostly in the lead up was it was a big, 1088 01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:59,719 big freaking deal fight. I mean, you know, Mexico versus Puerto 1089 01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,800 Rico is probably the most storied rivalry in boxing today. And that's, you 1090 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:08,280 know, among many great rivalries among different nationalities, but Mexico Puerto Rico has 1091 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,519 been a big time boxing rivalry for decades and decades and decades. And when 1092 01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:15,360 you have two guys who are future Hall of famers in a big time championship 1093 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,280 fight against each other, both stars in their own right. This was not 1094 01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,079 like a you know, one guy that's a star and the other guy that's 1095 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:24,679 like not known. You know, Canelo was the big time star, but 1096 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,679 Miguel, I mean, Canelo was the big star I think, is what 1097 01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:30,320 I said. And Codo had his own huge fan base also. He may 1098 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,199 may have been the B side, but he carried his own promotions for a 1099 01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:38,000 long time, had a huge fan base, particularly in New York and when 1100 01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:41,679 they met each other, I was super excited Canelo, uh you know, 1101 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,039 was you know, was going for uh well, Codo had the WBC title, 1102 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:47,800 but because he got into a beef with the organization about the purse, 1103 01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:51,920 about the sanction fee for you know, based on his purse, they stripped 1104 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,559 him of the title during the week of the fight, but it was still 1105 01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:59,480 available for Canelo Alvarez to win. He already was Codo the linear middleweight champion 1106 01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:02,039 from has the victory over Sergio Martinez, and so it was a very big 1107 01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:05,280 fight. What was sort of interesting about it was it was I think because 1108 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:10,639 of different things that were booked already in the city, T Mobile Arena was 1109 01:08:10,679 --> 01:08:14,559 not yet open, and so instead of the typical MGM Grand Garden arena where 1110 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:16,359 you figured this fight would take place, they actually had this at the Mandala 1111 01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:20,319 Bay, which is considerably smaller than the MGM Grand. MGM Grand for a 1112 01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:24,720 boxing match probably can hold you know, anywhere. It's like I think, 1113 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,800 Matt It's usually the official capacity I want to say, is like sixteen to 1114 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,880 five, but it can get up into like the eighteens for a boxing event, 1115 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,319 maybe even slightly more. Mandalay Bay you know, if you're really stuff 1116 01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:38,399 it full to the rim, you're talking maybe eleven thousand, So it's a 1117 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,720 very significant difference. But it was a huge event. A lot of people 1118 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:47,039 were excited. I think you can make the argument that it's the most significant 1119 01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,479 Mexico Puerto Rico fight in the history of the rivalry. And no, I 1120 01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,920 didn't say the best fight in the history of the rivalry. That is not 1121 01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:57,960 we would not say that. But in terms of the significance, two superstars, 1122 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,560 the bona fide superstars to bonaf hall of famers. Koto's now in the 1123 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,720 Hall of Fame. Obviously Canelo will be in the Hall of Fame for a 1124 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:11,159 middleweight title. Most of the traditional great Mexican Puerto Rican rivalry fights took place 1125 01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:14,720 in smaller weight classes. Now these guys were up in the middleweight division and 1126 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,720 it was just a terrific, terrific matchup. And you know what, while 1127 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,920 it may not have been the fight of the year or lived up to some 1128 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,359 of the hype that was heaped on it as going to be an all time 1129 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:30,199 classic, I actually went back and I rewatched it on YouTube the other night 1130 01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,319 because I had written some stuff about in my in my substack newsletter, my 1131 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,039 Show and Tell where I put up some of my you know, posters and 1132 01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:40,199 that kind of business. It's a pretty damn good fight. Again, maybe 1133 01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:42,920 not the fight of the year, but as a highly entertaining fight, and 1134 01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:47,840 Coto lost by a majority decision Canelo. But I thought Canelo definitely was the 1135 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:53,600 winner of that fight. Uh, it was. It was a it was 1136 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,239 a good battle. I take that back, my mistake. Canello won a 1137 01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:00,359 unanimous decision, but there were some that thought it was much close. Sure 1138 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,399 where some people had Koda where it could have perhaps been a majority decision. 1139 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:08,359 I thought Canelo was the clear winner, and I remember that Miguel was so 1140 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,239 I think it was more pissed off, not that he didn't get the win. 1141 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,199 He was so disgusted with the scores because they were one nineteen, one 1142 01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:17,840 oh nine, one eighteen to one ten, and one seventeen to one eleven. 1143 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,520 He just felt like he didn't get any credit, and you know, 1144 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:26,199 he really did kind of not d He was kind of a cry baby after 1145 01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:28,520 the fight. He didn't come to the postfight press conference. I remember that, 1146 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,279 you know, he sent Freddie Roach out, his trainer to speak to 1147 01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:33,880 the media afterwards. He was so dejected by Again, I don't think it 1148 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,359 was so much the loss. It was just in the in the in the 1149 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,439 you know, you pour your heart and soul into your training camp and you 1150 01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,000 don't get the credit that you need to get in the fight. So for 1151 01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:45,680 you know, for whatever it's worth. I'm not an official judge. I 1152 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,399 scored that fight seven rounds to five in favor of Canelo. A lot of 1153 01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:53,680 guys did at ringside, but it was a great atmosphere, it was a 1154 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,600 great promotion. Uh, and it was if you look at the record that 1155 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,079 Canelo Alvarez has put together, it's definitely one of his best wins. A 1156 01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:08,560 clear win for a huge title on a big rivalry opponent in a fight that 1157 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,760 everybody looked forward to. That's a huge win form and it was another example 1158 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,760 of Codo would just been willing to take on everybody as he's always done, 1159 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,760 always did. Motoring along, We're almost done. Thirty seven years ago, 1160 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:24,520 Mike Tyson became the youngest heavyweight champion ever twenty years of age. Thirty seven 1161 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,920 years ago, Wednesday, November twenty second, he iced Trevor Berbick. And 1162 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,560 we've talked about this before on the podcast in the Nostalgia you and I were 1163 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:39,880 both teenagers, the HBO iconic Barry Tompkins, Larry Merchant, Sugar Ray Leonard 1164 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:44,680 calling it with Barry Tompkins famous line, and we have a new era in 1165 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:51,520 boxing. Certainly it was bizarre because the punch that landed on Burbick didn't look 1166 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:56,039 that violent, but my lord, he flopped around like a fish out of 1167 01:11:56,119 --> 01:12:00,479 water. And who had the line you may know it. Whoever had the 1168 01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,319 line said, that's the first time I've ever been to a world heavyweight title 1169 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,279 fight where the guy got knocked down three times from the same punch. Trevor 1170 01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:10,920 Burwick went down, got up, stumbling around, went down again, got 1171 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,920 up while mills Lane's counting, and stumbled down again, and mills Lane finally 1172 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,560 said, that's it, You're done. A couple of things about that number 1173 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,640 One. I don't think it was that it was that devastating of a punch 1174 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,359 in terms of the power behind it, even though obviously Tyson was a humongous 1175 01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:25,239 puncher. But it got him on the temple, that's right. And when 1176 01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:28,479 you get knocked on the temple, even if it's not a full power shot, 1177 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,760 it ruins your equilibrium. So he clearly still had his wits about him 1178 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,279 because he was able to make the effort to get up, but his legs 1179 01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:38,439 were so messed up from the shot. Yeah, he just kept falling down. 1180 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,800 And I think one thing, you know, Trevor Burbick got a lot 1181 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,640 of you know, negative publicity, let's say, or you know, he'd 1182 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,159 be you know, imagine if social media existed, then he'd be a meme 1183 01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:51,640 for all time, like more than the crying Jordan. But I always felt 1184 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,199 like Trevor Burbick, even though it was obviously a glorious win for Mike. 1185 01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:57,920 He was twenty years old, the youngest heavyweight champion ever, you know, 1186 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,920 Barry Tompkins with that call a new era and heavy in boxing, which he 1187 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,000 didn't know that, but it certainly proved to be prophetic because it was the 1188 01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:10,079 case basically was the passing of the guard between the Ray Leonard and Four Kings 1189 01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:14,279 era into the Tyson era. But I always kind of felt like Burbick kind 1190 01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:16,479 of got a raw deal because he got made fun of so bad for getting 1191 01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,600 knocked out the way he did. But I always looked at it to the 1192 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:23,279 point where, you know what, the dude had so much heart that he 1193 01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:25,920 kept getting up. He fell, he tried to get up, he got 1194 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,960 up, and at the very end, even after Mills Lane the referee waved 1195 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,720 it off, he was standing on his feet. He had gotten now. 1196 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,560 He didn't beat the count necessarily, and obviously the fight had to be stopped, 1197 01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:38,560 but Trevor Berbick showed the heart of a champion to get up as best 1198 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,680 as he could and finally eventually did make it to his feet. He didn't 1199 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,560 just fall down the third time from the same shot and lay there on the 1200 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,199 mat, And I always found it very fascinating to it. It's not really 1201 01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:50,960 related specifically to him getting knocked up by Tyson, but the fact that he 1202 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,720 fought Tyson. He is the bridge in some ways between the end of Ali 1203 01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,239 in the beginning of Tyson, because the man that retired Ali finally and sent 1204 01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:03,479 him into retirement in his last fight was a young Trevor Berbick winning a decision 1205 01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:08,279 against Muhammad Ali, who was a long faded guy at the time, in 1206 01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:12,319 their fight called the Drama in the Bahama. By the way, very pleased 1207 01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:15,439 that not that long ago, I was able to add the program from that 1208 01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,880 fight, a very scarce program to my boxing collection. But so a young 1209 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:24,119 Berbick loses to Ali, and then years later he's WBC Heavyweight Champion and he 1210 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:28,960 gets knocked out by Mike Tyson. So the two iconic heavyweights of their time, 1211 01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:34,159 Trevor Burbrick fought both beats Ali loses to Mike Tyson. So I always 1212 01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:38,880 felt like that sort of bridge there. He's well known for two things, 1213 01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:43,800 beating the great Ali and getting drilled by the great Tyson and the Mike Tyson 1214 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,359 era. Again, we cannot emphasize enough for the newer, younger fans, 1215 01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:53,760 he was seemingly invincible from that time period of eighty six to nineteen ninety when 1216 01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:58,439 Buster Douglas got his hands on him in Tokyo, was seemingly invincible. I 1217 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,880 one more nostalgia them, then we're done. It was twenty one years ago 1218 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:06,680 as we released a podcast on Thursday, Gotti Ward Fight number two of the 1219 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:11,520 trilogy. You were there. You've talked about these so much. Just give 1220 01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,760 us a little more about the second of the trilogy here. You were there, 1221 01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:16,439 all right, So the second of the trilogy, the first fight took 1222 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,000 place in the Mohegan Sun in Connecticut. I missed that fight because I was 1223 01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:25,079 sick with the flu and to not travel see. I then covered the second 1224 01:15:25,119 --> 01:15:29,359 fight and the third fight. They all took place within thirteen months May of 1225 01:15:29,399 --> 01:15:31,520 two thousand and two the June of two thousand and three. This was the 1226 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,800 second fight Thanksgiving weekend of two thousand and two. I spent it on the 1227 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:39,760 Chili Boardwalk in Atlantic City. And of the trilogy, We've talked about this 1228 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:45,399 before many many trilogies in boxing. They become trilogies because they have a great 1229 01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,000 first fight that leads to usually a second fight that maybe the other guy gets 1230 01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:51,600 revenge in it. Therefore it leads to a third fight. But there's oftentimes 1231 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,319 a stinker in there, or one that's not even I wouldn't say a stinker 1232 01:15:55,319 --> 01:15:58,800 but not doesn't live up to maybe the other ones in the in the trilogy. 1233 01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,680 So there are some examples where that's not the case. Because if you 1234 01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,000 take a look at Bowen Holyfield, all three are awesome fights. If you 1235 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,720 look at the four fights between Marquez and Pakia, all four of them are 1236 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:12,159 fantastic. Uh But in Muhammad Ali against Joe Frazier, first one and third 1237 01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:15,800 one are obviously classic. Second one is good but not great in the Mickey 1238 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,560 word Arturo Gotti fight. The first one is obviously a classic. The third 1239 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,239 one was the fight of the year. Also second fight, really good fight, 1240 01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:25,079 but not living up to that level of action. That was the easiest 1241 01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:29,119 fight of all of them because ar Turo listening to Buddy McGarty, his trainer 1242 01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:31,319 at the time, and he boxed and he won a pretty clear decision. 1243 01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:34,079 It was I mean, it was good action also, but this was Gaddy, 1244 01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:39,359 you know, being a little bit more judicious, let's say, with 1245 01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:43,000 his with his offense and defense. You know, he was better on defense, 1246 01:16:43,319 --> 01:16:45,720 and you know Mickey was always going after him. But I thought Arturo 1247 01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,640 fought a really good fight and that that particular bout to come away without a 1248 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:53,279 lot of injuries or crazy cuts and you know, getting knocked down and you 1249 01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:55,399 know, just didn't have to go to the hospital, I don't think after 1250 01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,000 that fight, and uh, you know, and scored a very clear win. 1251 01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:00,760 But now, of course, after those two fights, Mickey won the 1252 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,520 first classic by a close decision, he lost the second fight by a much 1253 01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:09,000 wider decision. Ward did and so that made it possible for them to do 1254 01:17:09,039 --> 01:17:12,079 the third fight. But the thing I remember most about the second fight wasn't 1255 01:17:12,119 --> 01:17:15,439 so much the action in the fight itself, the crowd that night at Boardwalk 1256 01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:19,960 Hall, and I've covered I mean, I don't remember the exact number, 1257 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:25,399 but if there was a fight in the Boardwalk Hall, Maine arena from two 1258 01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,560 thousand till the present time, I believe I've covered every single one of them, 1259 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:30,920 except I missed the Mayweather fight in there. Maybe I missed one other 1260 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,239 one. I've covered probably two dozen or more fights at the Boardwalk Call and 1261 01:17:34,319 --> 01:17:39,319 also fights at that building upstairs in the smaller arena. Never in all of 1262 01:17:39,359 --> 01:17:43,600 my time of going to Boardwalk Hall was there more of an electric crowd than 1263 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,199 for the Gaddy Ward Remax, even though it wasn't as good as the third 1264 01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,840 fight. And the reason for that was because, first of all, got 1265 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,600 he was a fucking hero and a legend, and the franchise of the Boardwalk 1266 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:54,720 you know, New Jersey adopted him, and Nicky was also I had become 1267 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:59,039 a beloved figure also because of the first fight. But the crowd went absolutely 1268 01:17:59,119 --> 01:18:02,560 crazy, and when they into the ring, they were basically the crowd was 1269 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:08,199 sold out. They were basically thanking them for the brilliance and the incredible fight 1270 01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:11,520 they had put on a few months earlier, and for them to walk out 1271 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,159 and hear that, I mean, I still get the chills thinking about that 1272 01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:16,520 night when they dropped the spotlight and hear the music kit for Gaddy with his 1273 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:23,680 you know comes into the thunderstructure from ac DC. I mean, if you 1274 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,119 said to me, what are the happiest times in your life as a boxing 1275 01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:30,399 writer, I would tell you the happiest times in my life as a boxing 1276 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,920 writer are the moments when Arturo Gatti was coming to the ring at Boardwalk Hall, 1277 01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:35,560 And on that night, of all the Gaddy fights I had the privilege 1278 01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:40,199 to cover at ringside a Boardwalk call, that was the best one because the 1279 01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:43,359 hair on your neck stood up. It was so fucking awesome. And same 1280 01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:45,680 with Mickey Word. It was just an absolutely phenomenal night. And the fight 1281 01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,680 itself, maybe it didn't live up to the hype of the first fight, 1282 01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,079 but it was still hell of a fight, I believe. And I'd have 1283 01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:53,960 to go back and look at the story, but I somehow recall writing my 1284 01:18:54,119 --> 01:18:59,640 article was still working at USA today at that time that if you didn't watch 1285 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,520 the first but you only watch a second fight, Edith thought that was a 1286 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,359 hell of a fight. But when you watched the second fight through the prism 1287 01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:08,680 of knowing what had happened in the first fight, you might have been a 1288 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,720 little bit disappointed. But on its own if you never saw fight one, 1289 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,000 he came away very satisfied. And of course Fight three you know, to 1290 01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:17,359 me can challenge Fight one for action also, and it was the fight of 1291 01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:21,000 the year by many people on twenty oh three. But the second fight not 1292 01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:26,000 a great fight, but the atmosphere second to none in Boardwalk call in mind 1293 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,720 experience. It's remarkable, as you share with us, they fought three times 1294 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,319 in thirteen months. Hey, let's hear it for activity, and they understood 1295 01:19:31,359 --> 01:19:35,119 this is how you get paid and you keep stoking the interest. Man, 1296 01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:38,720 We've given you a lot on this podcast, not just that we had a 1297 01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,439 lot to eat for Thanksgiving, but we gave you a lot on this podcast 1298 01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,640 with breaking down the David Benavitaz pay per view card with Demetrius Andrei, also 1299 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,199 Ryan Garcia with us lots of news in nostalgia and again our friends at PPV 1300 01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:57,319 dot com sponsoring us as well. Use them for the one off purchase of 1301 01:19:57,359 --> 01:20:00,239 the fight coming this weekend, Why don't you and out I reconvene on the 1302 01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:04,800 bet US Show coming at one Eastern time. We'll do some more handicapping on 1303 01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:08,439 that show, answer some questions from the fans. I'm looking forward to that 1304 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:13,520 on Friday, before the weekend and before we close out November coming up here, 1305 01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,479 why don't we do that? And whatever happens here, We'll be back 1306 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:20,520 with a recap podcast off the weekend for all this action, including Chantel, 1307 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:25,479 Cameron and Katie Taylor. Let us not forget fighting in the afternoon from Ireland 1308 01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:29,520 on Saturday. We got a bunch, we got leftover Thanksgiving, we got 1309 01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,960 football on the TV, but then we got boxing taking over on Saturday. 1310 01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:35,439 We're all about it. Are we good? Are we good? Everything? 1311 01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:40,760 Good? God? What a show here today, thanks to that man, 1312 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,920 Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeves again. The bet US Show is one 1313 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,760 Eastern time Friday, depending on when you're hearing us. We're back with a 1314 01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,920 recap podcast off the weekend. But you've been listening to the Big Fight Weekend preview by