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Hello, This is Chris Haskell from
They Live by Film. For those that

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don't know us, Adam Zach and
I we built a podcast over the last

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two years that's a combination of film
discussion from three very different perspectives, as

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well as industry interviews with the leaders
in Boutique, Blu Ray, and four

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Kid Community. We started with dev
Crocodile, but over time we've been lucky

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enough to speak with Aero Video,
Severn, Mondo, Macabre, Vinegar Syndrome,

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Radiant Syndicator, most of the OCN
partner labels. It's been a blast.

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You can find us wherever you podcast
and also actually recently as part of

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someone's favorite production podcast network. We
hope to see you online. Hello there,

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and welcome back to the Disconnected.
I'm here with Josh Schaeffer of lunch

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Meat, which most people have probably
recognized the name seeing it the around doing

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wonderful VHS releases of some affiliated titles
that are coming out through some other companies.

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Josh, thanks for doing this,
Thank you for having me. Always

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a pleasure. Lunch Meat has been
around for a long time now. For

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those that may not know what lunch
meat is, can you share what the

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mission is behind lunch Meat. I
mean why started Lunch Meet fifteen years ago

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just about as a zine just talking
about movies that weren't on videotape and just

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grown from there. Just started with
a zine man, just loving VHS tapes

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and being like why is this not
being talked about, you know, and

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just like loving tapes and finding weird
movies through tapes, finding tapes in the

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wild as one of the original you
know, you know things behind lunch Meet.

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Is that thrill? Well, of
course at some point in this we're

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going to discuss discovering tape in the
wild in twenty twenty four in the state

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of collecting vhs and all that fun
stuff. But with Lunch Meet, how

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how did it go from a zine
to releasing your own vhs? Which is

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pretty damn cool. I mean,
I think it's just my friends around me

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at the time were releasing tapes and
I was like, I want to release

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some tapes and just started doing it, and I realized it was a great

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way to work with films that I
really adored and loved and wanted people to

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see, you know. I think
it just adheres to the message of like

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just you know, keep feeding the
VCR, like put more movies on tape,

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you know, tape over other bullshit
with cool shit, and you know,

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recirculate it, you know, with
that message. I don't know.

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I think it's just in a whole
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We do live shows, and we
did more magazines, and it's just

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just doing everything you can. Really, I think that's how it happened.

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You know. We found ways to, like I said, work with the

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artists that we cared about, show
the films, get them in the people's

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homes, you know, honor the
artists that create them. So I think

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that's an important part of it.
One of the cool things with Lunch Meet

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is that it seems like you have
relationships with a lot of the other distributors

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that are working in other formats nowadays, and a lot of those titles that

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we love are being released on VHS
in you know, super short runs.

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But they're titles that probably either never
got VHS releases or it's stuff coming out

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that people can be amazed to have
on VHS again that probably hasn't seen circulation

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and literally like thirty years on some
of these titles. Yeah, I mean,

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we just put a movie called No
Resistance out on videotape since the first

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time it's like ninety four, I
believe, like vie video cyberpunk sci fi

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movie. It's amazing, you know, and it's something that you would expect

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to see on tape, you know, the way that it was just created.

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And there's a blue ray out from
Saturn's Core. Shout out Saturn's Core

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who we did the tape with and
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So you know, shot on video
on Blu Ray twenty twenty four it

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is a thing. Yeah, it
is a thing. There are gosh,

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probably five or six companies doing shot
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Wonderful. I mean it's fantastic.
You know, they're all doing fantastic

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work. I mean, I think
there's so many movies out there that will

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never be discovered. So I hopefully
it inspires people to dig deeper and realize

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that there is this big cavernous obscurity
you know, out there, and especially

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from the nineties with shot on video, people just never know distribution for their

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films and things like that. Because
we're starting to run the gamut on a

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lot of like genre film right with
the works of you know, people like

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Vinegar Syndrome or you Visual Vengeance or
Saturn's Core or whoever you know putting that

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kind of stuff out. I think
that the worry about having some of these

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not out theres especially true or something
like No Resistance that didn't come from like

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the New York scene, which had
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You know, No Resistance was filmed
in Texas and didn't have this giant upbringing.

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I mean it had a big community
support, but not like distributors knocking

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at the door ready to carry that
unreleased day or anything. Have you Have

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you seen No Resistance? I have
loved the movie, and honestly, I

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think one of the best things about
it is, like you just said,

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like this the quote special effects in
that movie, they're kind they kind of

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feel like they were made for tape, and they definitely were. Yes,

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yeah, yeah, I mean that's
the medium, and I think some filmmakers

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embraced the medium and some people some
filmmakers just took it as that's what the

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status quo is, because that's how
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movie, you know, right,
and with something like No Resistance the budget.

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That's what I find most charming.
The budget on that was tiny,

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and that movie looks freaking amazing.
The world seems huge, right, It's

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just like it's it. That's the
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is it takes you to a different
world, right, or puts you

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into a different mindset, or you
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you know. I just think it's
it's amazing. That's why you should watch

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No Resistance because it creates this incredible
believability in this very like you know,

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ramshackle underground kind of post apocalyptic world, you know. And it's all shot

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on video in Texas in ninety four. A lot of a lot of people

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that watch and listen to my stuff
are are gonna be probably looking to this

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title and going, it's twenty twenty
four and we're talking about VHS. I've

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got Blu Ray and four K behind
me. It looks like you've got Blu

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Ray behind you? What is you
don't? Oh, those are things against

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it. It just makes it out
there that I'm not against Blu Ray or

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disc really like I'm kind of like
purist or some weird bullshit like that I

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just I like tapes, you know, and that's how I watch movies,

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and I love the chart behind them
and that now I want to hear for

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those people that are gonna ask why, what what is the appeal behind tapes

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for you? Uh, it's where
my collection is. I've been collecting since

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you know, I was like eighteen
years old, over twenty years. I

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just always went for tapes and Blu
rays and I appreciate a good restoration.

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I appreciate all the the fine extras
that are being produced, like I mean,

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it's it's incredible, you know.
But to answer your question, I

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just buy movies on tape. I
have for years, and I just am

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in the circles where I'm around people
that have tapes, and you know,

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it's how I watch my films.
You know, I stream too, you

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know, I'm on Tube. But
there's a lot of films here that I'd

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like to watch over and over again
or have them ready in a library like

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immediately. And I have a lot
of tapes. That's what I've been collecting.

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And switching over to Blu ray is
like, I mean, I don't

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know, it just seems daunting and
expensive. So there's also a lot of

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films that are on tape that will
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Just the essence of you know,
lunch me back then is like these aren't

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on DVD. You know, it's
still to this day of the reviews in

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the flagship magazine or stuff that's not
on disc probably won't be. You know,

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that's what we love, you know, the stuff that's just not going

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to get mainstreamed in any way.
It's not going to get airtime elsewhere,

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you know. But I think honestly, with the culture rising, there's so

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many avenues that are discussing the culture
that I think we get a really good

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spectrum of coverage on stuff, and
we're finding all kinds of crazy stuff all

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the time, and you know,
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people talking about it again, looking
at the medium and being like okay,

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one of the reasons and like showing
them good reasons to look back to tape

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and be like this is important or
like this is cool, or like you

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know, if you like low budget
independent movies, I mean, shot on

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video stuff is endless kind of you
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you know the way people talk about
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endless reputation of that being schlocky horror, when in all reality, shot on

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videos just a format, it's not
necessarily a genre anyways. So I really

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implore people, especially in twenty twenty
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dive into any of these titles.
Some of these movies are genuinely amazing and

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not not only like high quality but
inspiring. There's something about like No Resistance.

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There's something about watching that movie that
you can picture being in this office

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building in Texas in nineteen ninety four
and go, God damn it, that

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would be like the funnest week ever
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this. Yes, and you can
living Yeah. Third part like you know,

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uh, you know, yes,
I agree. I agree, man.

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The discussion around tapes, no doubt, is going to be familiar for

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a lot of people, because I
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this weird era that we've been in
the last few months, at least

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of every major internet publication under the
sun. Here's why physical media matters again

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and why we need to talk about
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a lot of these articles don't point
out is also a problem with vhs and

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I got to talk to you about
it is the players. I mean,

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supporting hardware is one of the most
important aspects of any of these hobbies.

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How do you feel about what we're
facing in that in twenty twenty four For

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tape specifically, we've been trying to
bring attention to it for for a while.

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You know, without the players,
you can't play the tapes right,

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and there's nobody around repairing them.
And I think at this point it's becoming

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more difficult for some areas of the
country to find VCRs. Oh yeah,

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and I think in some parts it's
a little more plentiful. I mean it's

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like a crapture, you know,
go to the Midwest and there's VCRs and

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things like that. But yes,
I mean what it does indicate is that,

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you know, you need to take
care of this VCR, you know,

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And I think that's something that we're
going to be pushing with lunch Meat

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in this year is a couple of
releases just encouraging people to know more about

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their VCR and like how to clean
it and take care of it, you

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know, because otherwise they just become
tapes, just become artifacts or trophies or

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something like that, you know,
like it's I think the culture has gone

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into a place where people collect them
as objects or artifacts, you know.

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And I've always collected tapes to to
watch them and to have the footage or

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the material or whatever. Like I
always appreciate the covers. I mean,

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how do you not right? But
I mean, like as I'm not gonna

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say I never bought a tape because
I didn't love the cover. But I

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mean like when I was, you
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go content like what's on it?
You know? And I mean again that

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all comes down to the players.
That's the hardest part about seeing this because

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for some of these people that are
either just discovering them or you know,

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in the era where they've loved it
for years, a bad player can can

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make you spiral for a while.
Yeah, it'll kick people out, man,

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you know here all the time like, well, me and my VCR

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brokers haven't gotten a new one.
I'm like, yes, it's a tough

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one, you know what i mean. But it's fun, you know.

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And I think if you really want
to get a VCR and watch tapes,

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I mean I see people that really
want to, and I that's just how

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that's my lifestyle, I guess.
I mean, I've always just watched tapes,

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So yeah, man, you gotta
have a VCR. I can take

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a lot of v's just you know. I love talking to those collectors because

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I think it's it's interesting that the
the love for vhs has gotten that far

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and how it like kind of reticulates
and so like not just media that you

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can watch, but media that you
can collect and study and compare notes and

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stuff, and it's pretty it's pretty
interesting, right, how it's changed.

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Right. And then of course,
I mean the biggest part of tapes for

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a lot of us that are around
our age are the nostalgy aspects of it.

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I mean, most of us grew
up with this around home, around

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a flickering CRT TV that you can
literally almost transport back into some of those

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nights as a kid, and watching
some of the foundational films for yourself.

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And now you can buy some of
those tapes in pristine condition from companies like

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lunch Meat and some other companies that
are doing it as well. But it's

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it's astonishing that we're in the age
of you know, go to a swap

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meet and see them basically discarded for
free from some people, and then on

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other tapes you're seeing them sold for
one hundred dollars for some old, out

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of print, rare super you know, I can't find this anywhere else VHS

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tape. But again, without the
players, this is this is a hard

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hobby to dive into right now.
Yeah, I mean, like I said,

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if you're wanting to watch them,
you know, I I'm glad people

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are talking about it more because it's
really essential. I just I don't know.

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I think the only thing that we
can do is just like raise awareness

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and tell people how to buy the
right VCRs, what to look for in

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VCRs, how to clean them yourself, you know, give them the skills

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and the tools to preserve them.
So that's kind of what we're going to

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be doing with some publications what we
have been doing, but we're going to

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do more publications about it and some
a cool product that we're working on right

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now. So with Analog Mechanic,
there's a tease or something. Yeah,

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I've been following launch Meat for quite
some time and one of the things that

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I remember that I first saw from
you, it had to have been at

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least five years ago at this point, but there was a video that you

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put out about fixing tapes. There's
something on YouTube, and I swear it

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was. It wasn't even that long. It was probably like an eight or

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nine minute video, and it was
just so I think you got a tape

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in that was damaged in transit or
something like that, and you were to

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repair that. Okay, Tyler,
it was my boy, Tyler. Okay,

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I swear like, yeah, I
just made this video of myself.

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It's it's it's on my channel,
but it's not. Yeah it's Tyler.

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So she's just so funny because you're
still a close friend of mine too,

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And yeah, I just wanted a
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and I thought that was a really
concise, good video on how to fix

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a tape. And he's like,
yeah, go ahead, publish it.

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So and it's been viewed a lot, so it's great that. Genuinely,

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one of the first things I saw
from lunch Meat was that video and that

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sort of education. It's it's needed
for stuff like this because we don't have

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I mean, none of us can
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and have them help you with something
like that, and a lot of us

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we had people like that that were
our resources when we were younger. So

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it's great to see you carrying on
that tradition. I think there's a culture

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of people rising up that are interested
in that, you know, that still

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love analog media, and you know
that kind of bleeds into like film and

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you know, and just like kind
of the machines that help you experience the

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analog media, right, And I
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that, and I think they'll be
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more and more people that get into
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become the people that can still work
on these machines. You know, It's

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not me. I'm not really good
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to do the basics, you know, like I mean basic stuff, but

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I mean, like, you know, there's people that know a lot more

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than me, you know, and
we want to help publish the information.

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You know, it's all out there, like you got to think about like

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how to repair VCRs and stuff.
But the old guides they're just so dense

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and like not really readable, you
know, like they are. But and

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it's like, well, am I
looking at the right, VCR and all

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this other kind of stuff. So
h but like just kind of getting that

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information again and putting it back out
for like a new generation of VHS collector,

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m VCR enthusiast or what have you, you know. And I think,

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like, man, somebody said VHS
collector and writing the other day and

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a zenom reading and they said VHS
collector scum and I was just like,

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oh oh, it was really like
what yikes, vh's collectors. It was

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hilarious. I don't know, it
was funny to me. It's what a

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weird community to hate. No,
it's just funny, dude, It's just

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funny. But yeah, because I
said VHS collector, but I think that

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the people that like and watch VHS
aren't are VHS collectors. But it's not

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just VHS collectors. I think people
just enjoy video, you know, stuff

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on video, right, And I
think collecting can mean different things like having

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like two thousand or like having ten, you know, right, And it's

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the focus on like what you want
to see on the tape, I think,

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or what you want the tap to
be. And again, a lot

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of these tie they obviously they look
different, not only quality wise, but

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there are things that we we saw
on some of these releases that you don't

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see in releases nowadays. I mean
some of them. You got certain cuts

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that are stuck on vhs that we'll
probably never see the light and day again.

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You've got underground films that you'll you'll
never see on a better format.

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You've got titles that are you know, genuinely like now they're they're fought over

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on rights and we'll never see those
released again, and you've got those stuck

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on vhs. So if if you
want to see certain things, that kind

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of is the way to go from
any of these titles. Absolutely, there's

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so much content on tape that is
not anywhere else, you know, excuse

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me, like even when in the
age of YouTube and archive dot org and

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like this whole that whole culture right
of getting stuff and putting up online and

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making it available for people. And
I think that's really awesome. Obviously.

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It's what my mission was with Bunch
being, you know, in a small

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ways, to get people looking at
tapes again and look at these cool movies

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that are only on tape. Right, There's just so much out there that

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isn't you know, on the internet, and that's it's the stuff that becomes

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more special, you know. And
I think even if it is on the

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internet, finding it on tape and
getting to know it that way is still

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like a cool experience. I mean, I would say it's damn cooler than

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just clicking on a link and watching
it, you know, like finding it

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and yeah, like what is this
and going home and playing it and experiencing

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it. You know. I don't
know if you're the same as me,

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but there are so many times that
I can look back on going to a

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thrift shop or something and seeing a
bunch of VHS tapes and the ones with

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label sure most of them are you
know, Titanic or Jerry Maguire or whatever

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that you was popular around that time. I always go for the ones that

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are unlabeled, and those things are
a treasure trove sometimes, and to find

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like a full broadcast of a Sunday
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transformative. I love doing stuff like
that. Yeah, those are great tapes.

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I mean, those are those are
the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

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So I'm glad you brought it up. It's beyond like narrative film or

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docs or you know, even art
films or whatever. It's it's our culture,

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you know. Like it's like you
said, television recorded, you know,

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stuff broadcast from HBO. You know, have you seen that documentary that

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we put on tape called Recorder Marion
Stokes Project? I have not yet know.

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Okay, this woman in Philadelphia was
taping television for like decades. That's

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her name. Okay, yeah,
right, yeah, but imagine how much

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stuff is there? Right right?
They haven't they're trying to upload it to

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archive. I think there's an effort
that's still going to do that. But

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yeah, I mean, like you
find Saturday morning Cartoon Block or you know,

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like MTV at like three point thirty
on a Saturday, you know what

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I mean. Like it's you find
these recordings and it's cool that it's captured,

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you know, so you can go
back to it. Those are great

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tapes and those are kind of like
invaluable and what I was talking about,

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like it expands the importance of like
what VHS does and like what did and

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what it continues to do. So
yeah, I love this man. There's

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so much about this that is just
important that doesn't get discussed enough. And

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lost media is such a rabbit hole. If you're watching this and you've never

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looked into lost media. There are
so many efforts to find you know,

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certain things that people know exist that
they can assume somebody probably recorded it,

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and they're like looking for a copy
desperately. There was every single year,

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like a couple of years ago,
there was a Sesame Street episode that was

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lost or something that just got discovered
and placed online. That sort of thing

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is like, man, this is
amazing. We're literally going back to a

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period of culture that we did like
we knew existed because we read about it,

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but nobody had proof and now here
you go, like, that's that's

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amazing to be able to discover something
like that. Yeah, I think it's

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really really important, right, and
it's all because of the media that's there,

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you know, the physical media,
you know, and you wonder,

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if you know, forty years in
the future now, like thirty eight years

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in the future from now, like
how are people going to recover things like

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that? Is it still going to
be there? Is that information going to

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be Where is it? You know
what I mean? And I think the

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physicality and of the analog and everything
is kind of it's important. It's it's

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cool. I mean, there's so
many aspects, dude. It's like I

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love there's always different angles, sorry, like with like nostalgia or film preservation

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or I like the aesthetics of it
or ABNC and more. Right. For

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me, it's just about like this
is how I watch movies. Like this

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is literally like that's not stray.
It doesn't know for somebody that doesn't understand

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it, I get how it would
be crazy. But literally taking the tape

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out of a sleeve and being like, oh, got to rewind it that,

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like that ritual of it is special. It feels like being twelve again.

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For me, it feels like something
where you are literally going back and

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living what you've done for watching cinema
for all these years. It's amazing.

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Yeah it still works and then still
finding new stuff, right, you know,

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thirty years later it's cool. It's
just cool, man. I don't

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know. That's why I keep on
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you said earlier, the stuff that
we put out, putting stuff on tape,

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I mean we do it because we
just want people to watch tapes and

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we think that these movies look cool
on tape or like it benefits the film

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in some way, you know that
like the VHS presentation is like here,

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here's this thing on VHS. You
know, it's like this thing should be

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on tape. And you know,
that's kind of what we think about when

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when we sign and release stuff.
Well, and the big thing for a

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lot of us that are into any
sort of physical media nowadays is there's a

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massive parallel here. Anything that's happened
with VHS is likely to happen with discs

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as well. The fact that we
have to deal with, you know,

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worrying about mold if it's not carried
right for years. We have to worry

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about hardware not being developed after so
many periods of time. We have to

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worry about things being phased out from
everywhere and then not developing it. Then

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you have to worry about the people
that are looked down and shame on it

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and go, why the hell are
you watching discs in twenty fifty when you

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can have the hard driving planted into
your brain or whatever, Why are you

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Why are you watching those DVDs?
Yeah, incompatibility, you know, of

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the future for media and all that
kind of stuff. I mean, I'm

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not really a tech hut, Ryan, I couldn't tell you, you know,

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but I mean I do you know
what my nostalgia is? And I

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know that, like I see it
a lot. I see a lot of

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places, you know. I think
tapes are just such an an icon of

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that era that nostalgia is going towards. And you know, we're all media

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crazy, fed media constantly, and
like you want to at least have some

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comforting media, right, at least
have something that you really like, you

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know, and just watching it on
tape is cool, just feels better to

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me. I don't know, but
it's just like a personal I always thought

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it was just like a personal preference
and I was like, oh, I

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was like, oh, yeah,
these movies are only on tape, so

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you should borrow this tape. And
then all of a sudden, like over

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the next decade, fifteen years,
it's crazy wold. Yeah. The other

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side of that, I mean,
everybody seems to want to foist this move

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to streaming on other people that don't
necessarily want it, not even thinking about

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that accessibility dictates. There are many
people that still in twenty twenty four can't

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stream properly, whether that's access to
internet in their home city, whether that's

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a barrier of entry due to cost
or hardware limitations based on the street they

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live on. A whole kinds of
reasons that can make this impossible. But

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if somebody, you know, if
my grandma who's seventy three or whatever,

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has a collection of two thousand tapes
that she's a master over the last thirty

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five years, she can't be expected
to go upgrade those all too discs or

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to streaming and suddenly pay every month
for the same movie she's always had.

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Yes. See, I'm like your
grandma because I don't ask me like,

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why haven't I switched over? Because
there's no point espec over? Like that

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great, right, I mean,
like that's kind of what Strawberry Mansions about.

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Have you seen that movie? Actually? Yeah, how she doesn't switch

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to the air thing? Yep,
it's exactly what we're talking about, right,

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that's a beautiful movie. Yeah,
the movie's beautiful. But yeah,

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man, I don't know you were
saying about before. Sorry, I got

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Strawberry Mansion. No, that's it. I'm just talking about accessibility. One

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of the physical side of accessibility is
such a good point, you know.

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And I did an interview recently and
they're like, why why do you think

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people still watch VHS tapes like well, let it be known there people have

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always watched VHS tapes since they've come
out until right now. Nobody. There's

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no never a time where people weren't
watching it. The Dark Age of two

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thousand and three, there was no
tape watching like nu and it was a

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drought. I think it was that
sort of accessibility that you're talking about,

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you know, because it's a very
easy, viable piece of media that has

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a lot of you know, recognizable
film and material on it. You know,

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I don't know, And I think
it's good that people would think about

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that, about the accessibility thing and
why tapes are viable that way. You

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did never really think about that,
you know, probably wouldn't think about that

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normally, right, right, But
totally valid and cool. So uh.

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One one thing that people that watched
this seem to love is the educational side

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of things. So if you don't
mind, I would love to see if

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you've got some some basal education on
some of this. And one big thing,

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what's like the go to sturdy brand
of VHS player that you recommend people

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to keep an eye out for.
In twenty twenty four, Panasonic Omnivision just

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Omnia visions are very you know,
a high grade consumer machine. They always

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work well for me. Panasonics are
nice, Sony's are nice. Sometimes they

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crap out on me, but yeah, I mean there's a lot of Panasonic

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divisions out there, you know,
from the early nineties and mid nineties.

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That's what I have. I have
two of those, and I have I

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have like a VCRs. But you
know, no, I did crap out

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on you in the last decade.
Those are really sturdy machines. You know,

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it's getting expensive out there. Fine, Yeah, if you're trying to

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buy a VCR online, for get
about it. Geez. It's like,

407
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.599
yeah, I got an ad today
from Amazon with a VCR on it and

408
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.279
I was like, oh, here's
a very targeted, interesting ad from Amazon.

409
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.079
And I clicked on it and it
was a disc to tape, you

410
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:19.880
know, DVDVCR five hundred and sixty
nine dollars only, and I was just

411
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:27.599
like what what? So yes,
I would go, you know, out

412
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:32.759
to your local goodwill and pay,
Like if you're like, oh, thirty

413
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:36.640
five bucks for VCR, Like,
sure, you can find it for twelve,

414
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:38.680
you can find it for like twelve, But if it's thirty five bucks

415
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:42.279
and it works, I would buy
it. You know, because somebody's trying

416
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.359
to sell a VCR on Amazon,
brand new with a DVD player for five

417
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:51.240
hundred and forty nine dollars, and
it is laughable. But it's also like

418
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:59.200
market man, right, That's that's
a good point. So it's market And

419
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.480
I mean there's some of these titles
too that people are trying to offload for

420
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.839
hundreds and hundreds of dollars that are
not like the ones that got super limited

421
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.920
releases upon release either. They're just
titles that people are trying to exploit nowadays.

422
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.920
So if you're gonna start looking at
them, titles get hot. Yeah,

423
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:21.440
titles get hot and people. That's
like a that's a collecting aspect that

424
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:26.000
I think about, of course,
you know. And I'm not like that,

425
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.799
Like I don't chase like those tapes
like that. I just go for

426
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:37.799
content or like show movies I've never
seen, you know, but they out

427
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.759
there, street trash, Franken Hooker. People want those tapes, you know,

428
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:48.119
and they're not necessarily rare, you
know. I mean they're not like

429
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.960
like there's like fifty of them out
there, you know. That's what I

430
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.440
always laugh at. Some of these
had hundreds of thousands of copies, and

431
00:30:55.599 --> 00:31:00.519
yes they're still sought after, like
there was only twelve of them ever made,

432
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.160
but they're coveted now. So it's
like you know what I mean,

433
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.119
And you got to think how many
like those were just sent to video stores

434
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.599
so and you know, very little
like otherwise, so you got to think

435
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.640
what happens to them? The mighty
get destroyed or yeah, I mean a

436
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.559
lot of people throw those tapes away, to be honest with you, they

437
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:26.480
try to sell sell it's throw away, so who knows, And it's it's

438
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.920
all about people's taste, like what
people want or what they feels hot or

439
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:34.359
like you know, so, uh, with with buying tapes? Are are

440
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:40.119
there certain things that if you are
new to looking at tapes you recommend everybody

441
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:47.880
to get to learn to look out
for quickly? Just don't overpay for a

442
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.400
tape if somebody's trying to get into
tapes like buying them online or like just

443
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.519
in general. Is that what you're
asking me? Like advice? But the

444
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.599
big thing like uh uh, you
know, trying to teach people how to

445
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.200
look out for mold. A lot
of people don't even know what that looks

446
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:07.279
like. On vy, there's pictures
of it online. It's pretty recognizable.

447
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.440
You take the take it out and
you look at the reels and if there's

448
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:15.519
like white powdery substance on the on
the tape itself, it's it's mold,

449
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.079
and you have to assess it.
Don't put it in your VCR. It's

450
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:22.279
no good. It's just it's dirt, you know, like you're putting like

451
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:27.240
little dirt on your heads, which
is no good. So definitely watch out

452
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:35.319
for mold. I don't know,
by stuff that interests you, even if

453
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.480
you think it's like, you know, stupid or whatever, like you never

454
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.640
know. Man. Like I'm at
the point where, like, you know,

455
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:44.799
I used to hunt and find horror
movies and stuff like ten, twelve,

456
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.200
seven, eight years ago whatever,
and now I buy like, you

457
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.680
know, sewing with Nancy, not
sewing with Nancy. I know it's sewing

458
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.240
with Nancy, but like that that
vibe you know, right, you know,

459
00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:01.160
like you know Jim Vovich, like
you know, fucking bass fishing,

460
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.640
Like I want to watch what's on
here. I just want to see what's

461
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.559
going on, you know, especially
if it's not on YouTube, right,

462
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:09.440
because you look it up and you're
like, oh, well this is you

463
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:13.359
look on archive is like, oh, well, here's an obscure thing that

464
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.599
you know, and it's like a
dollar, you know, right, And

465
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:20.880
I watch it and I think,
if it's cool, I'll like capture it.

466
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.759
But if if not, it's like, well, now it can't all

467
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.960
be singers. You know. That's
why I still click videos, because I'm

468
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.720
interested in that kind of thing,
just always finding new material stuff that people

469
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.359
put together, new films, new
everything, you know, well new to

470
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.480
me, so but like a vision
back in time. You know, I

471
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:44.839
probably sound crazy on this thing,
not at all. I'm sure some people

472
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:46.440
watching after hearing that, they'll want
to hear some of the best stuff that

473
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.480
you've found in the last couple of
years. What are some of your big

474
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:54.559
finds lately. Hmmm. I like
finding weddings. Those are fun. Nothing

475
00:33:54.720 --> 00:34:00.480
too out you know, too outstanding. But I found a tape called VCR

476
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.359
Repair for brother Nick, and it's
a video letter and this guy owns a

477
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.800
TV VCR repair shop just think it's
like ninety four ninety five, and he

478
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:15.960
does a video and shows him how
to repair a VCR change change a change,

479
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.920
some stuff inside of it, you
know what I mean, the bands

480
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:21.840
and cleaning the reels or cleaning the
heads and all that kind of stuff.

481
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.880
I was like, Wow, this
is really useful. That's really cool.

482
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:30.840
It's neat. And then it turns
into him on a keyboard talking to him

483
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:37.079
and he just like starts like talking
to him and he's like, hey,

484
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.400
you know hey brother, Like it's
it's just like it's a slice of life.

485
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:45.239
It's like a video letter man.
But then he gets into a flight

486
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:51.840
simulator that he has in his house. Apparently it's just this it's amazing.

487
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.960
I love that. Fine, but
he's so sweet. He's like an old

488
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.760
older man, older guy. He
plays like, I don't know, there's

489
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.639
just this a lot of like cool
human moments inside of it. Love that.

490
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:07.400
Oh Simpson's Halloween ninety six. I
just got that from a buddy.

491
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.840
Nice. Pretty cool, and the
ninety six season opener that's probably somewhere,

492
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.079
but I mean I have the tape
here, right, that's just watch it

493
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:20.480
whenever I want. Right. Recently
dove back into Magic Island this movie,

494
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:27.760
but only the screener because I there's
some like cool footage on that and I

495
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.119
just got that scene in my head
again where like he climbs up the tree

496
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.480
and like there's the sand shark and
it's like a pizza tree. Do you

497
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.599
remember this? Do you know this? Don't No? It definitely sound insane,

498
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:42.719
but this is a real movie.
It's starts Zachary ty Bryan and there's

499
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.719
a scene where like he goes up
a tree that grows pizza and there's like

500
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.599
a sand shark and he like feeds
it gum and escapes it. And it's

501
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.440
like this really fever dream kind of
scene. And so I revisited Magic Island

502
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:59.639
and it's actually pretty good. It's
pretty fun. We could start disgusting Strawberry

503
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.519
Mansion. That'll sound crazy to a
lot of people. M h, it's

504
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.039
a beautiful film, man, I'd
like to put that back on tape.

505
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.199
I should reach out to them.
It's a good movie. People should check

506
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.079
it out. That there's a there's
a tape monster in it. That's really

507
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.000
cool looking. Actually a lot of
cool stuff it turns up. Man,

508
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:21.400
it's crazy. I love that the
two movies that you randomly brought up to

509
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.639
night are ones that I actually know
and have seen recently. That's super rare

510
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:30.679
for me. That's great. It's
fantastic when people are out looking for tapes.

511
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.159
I'm sure that people are hoping that
they found something super rare, And

512
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:37.320
of course I got to ask,
what are some of the ones that you

513
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:43.000
have that I have, like the
least amount of it's been out in circulation,

514
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.719
perhaps, what's the most rare things
that you've got, like the least

515
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:53.840
circulated tapes? Yeah? Well,
then I know of America's Dedle's Home Video.

516
00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:01.199
Nice. I have a copy of
Slaughterville. There's some others that I

517
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:06.400
have that I think are really low
you know what I mean. But you

518
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.800
know, like this tape called Wonder
Guy. I don't know how many copies

519
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:15.519
of that are out there, but
yeah, stuff like that, uh with

520
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.880
lunch Meat. You put out tons
of titles over the years. Do you

521
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:24.519
know about how many? Offhand?
I just did this, but I would

522
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:34.840
say like fifty more right, Yeah, So as somebody that has grown up

523
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.840
around this myself, just like you, I look at somebody that's done what

524
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:42.800
you've done and can't help but think
I bet that you, you know,

525
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.599
put some of these out and you
go, this feels really good to literally

526
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.440
release this title. What's a couple
of titles that you've released that you go

527
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.920
like, I'm contributing something. I'm
so glad that I was able to put

528
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:57.679
this out. That's a great question. I mean a little bit on all

529
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:02.000
of them, right if you're talking
about like it's and yeah, really happy

530
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.039
when I did Video Violence because I
was a maybe I watched grown up to

531
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.199
Me Gary and work with him and
becomes friends with him, which is always

532
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:15.519
really really cool. America's Deadly hist
Home Video, like I said, I

533
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.199
have, that's a rare tape.
There's like less than a hundred of them

534
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.760
out there. And I set that
on to DVD for the first time and

535
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.400
put it back out on tape and
that's got a life past my release is

536
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:32.800
now. So that was great.
I don't know all kinds of stuff,

537
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.199
man, that I mean, like
the thing is just connecting with people,

538
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:38.800
you know, Like I loved working
with Albert on Strawberry Mansion. I thought

539
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:43.119
it was great. Yeah, I
love the Frogman. Dudes. I just

540
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:47.719
did frog Man. Those guys are
awesome. Dude. You know, I'm

541
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.360
forgetting a bunch of bunch of people. That's why trying to do singles.

542
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.559
You know, I work with so
many great people. I just like getting

543
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:58.960
people's art out there and using vhs
as a format to get it out there.

544
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.800
They're certain people connect with it,
and when your artistry kind of connects

545
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.920
with the vibe or the feeling of
VHS that that gives people. If if

546
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:12.480
it's like coheres and there's a synergy
there, like I think that's even better.

547
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.719
That's what I'm talking about, Like
watching old sv movies on tape because

548
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.480
you're watching if you're watching all blueb
it's Gonnak exactly the same dog, you

549
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:25.119
know what I mean? Yeah,
And it's like, uh, not exactly

550
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:31.280
say, we know what I mean, but yeah, sorry, I'm all

551
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:37.559
about it too. I literally the
name of the channel is discconnected because that

552
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.960
community, the group of people that
surround us and go, you know what,

553
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:44.760
I feel the exact same way.
That's what I love. And watching

554
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:49.239
lunch Meat from Afar has always been
just so rad to think that there's somebody

555
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.320
out there that loves this so much
and then you go out and do all

556
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.000
these events, Like there's all kinds
of stuff the lunch Meat has done.

557
00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:00.480
Can you share like some of the
events that you guys do. Yeah.

558
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.920
I started doing a lot of tape
swaps just like ten years ago with Matt

559
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.719
d of Harboobs up in New York
and then we were doing Cinema Wasteland for

560
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:16.840
a while, just going there right
and pushing the pushing the VHS stuff,

561
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:29.239
evangelizing, singing the praises of tape. Then I started doing my own shows

562
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:34.400
more in Philly, and then we
started doing VHS Fest, which has really

563
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.920
grown. It's probably the largest thing
that we do. You know, Mahoning

564
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:45.800
drive in just the best VHS Fest. It's just I want to I want

565
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.960
to create places for the people that
love the culture to go right movies,

566
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:58.079
the online camaraderie and sharing pictures and
information and you know, helping people find

567
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.239
their the tapes they want, all
that kind of stuff. I think that's

568
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.280
awesome, you know. I love
that kind of that part of the culture.

569
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.440
I also think it's important to meet
people in person and experience things with

570
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.679
them, you know. I think
that's what VHS Fest has become. It's

571
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.159
just like, come meet some people
that like like the same kind of stuff

572
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.400
you do, and like, you
know, it's cool. Yeah, it's

573
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.679
like tape head woodstock or something.
I don't know. I completely agree with

574
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:29.840
you. There is there's something different
about you know, even like I hate

575
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:34.440
to say it, like social media
comment sections can get toxic really fast about

576
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.239
a lot of this shit. But
hanging out with people in person and being

577
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:42.920
like, let's watch this and literally
go through the option to put this into

578
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.920
the player and sit and like commune
around what we all love to do.

579
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.079
It makes it so much different.
It makes it so much more special.

580
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.920
Yeah, I think I think a
lot of people on VHS fests are just

581
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.840
I don't know, man, just
having a great time. Like it's just

582
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:05.039
a great time. It's like it's
it's been hitting and we're so glad to

583
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.039
be able to be a part of
it, and you know, helped found

584
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:12.159
it. So it's pretty cool.
But yeah, but I do tons of

585
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.719
stuff still. I still do screenings. I go out and you know,

586
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:19.239
put my tapes out and you know, show some weird stuff around Raleigh and

587
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:24.519
North Carolina. Do some shows in
Durham, which is right outside of Raleigh

588
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:29.440
in North Carolina. That's where I'm
at right now. And uh, but

589
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:34.039
over the years, yeah, tons
of tape swaps. That's severe, sever

590
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:38.199
because that's what was going on before
VHS Festus severed, and I mean it

591
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:45.320
was it's just been friends hanging out. They're like weird movies and our weirdos

592
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.320
and still watch tape. So I
have this appreciation for this analog aesthetic,

593
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.800
for this, you know, this
this video aesthetic where it's all this beautiful

594
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:58.400
like packaging and you know, putting
out all these strange movies with all these

595
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.079
weird backstories, and you know,
it goes very deep. You know.

596
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.599
Tape has everything. Tape is the
gateway to everything, you know, because

597
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.039
we have to take from tape in
order to create the blu rays and all

598
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.440
the streaming and all this stuff.
You know, unless it's new, Unless

599
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.599
it's new. But I'm saying for
old cinema, I mean, it's just

600
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:22.440
film and tape, right. So
VHS Fest? What year is this?

601
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:29.440
Gain? What's super right? Okay? Is it something like that? I

602
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:34.320
couldn't remember if it was seven or
eight year. I should have no I

603
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.760
should have any doubt whatsoever. But
I mean, I'm pretty sure it's tape.

604
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.480
I uh, it's one of those
things. Last year when it got

605
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:46.199
announced and just seeing everything that was
going to happen, I've I don't know

606
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:49.679
that I was jealous of anything else
as much as I was to not be

607
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.519
able to hang out there last year. It was such an intriguing lineup,

608
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.159
and I had Ross on my show
last year from Saturn's Corps right before it

609
00:43:57.199 --> 00:43:59.599
happened, and just some of the
stuff that we were talking about. Ross

610
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.840
is just great person. Ross is
like so he's like such a great dude,

611
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.599
like a cool friend, and he's
also so knowledgeable man, and just

612
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:13.719
super smart and like just love Ross, love of love. You know,

613
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.480
He's done so much great work man, and I'm just happy that. You

614
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:19.960
know. That's why I brought him
on a VHS fest and everything after a

615
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.480
couple of years in because I just
I felt like I wanted that kind of

616
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:27.480
his kind of knowledge and presence there, you know, because I thought that

617
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:31.639
was important. So, I mean, this seems like an obvious question,

618
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.639
but as you're running lunch Meet,
there's got to be some wishless titles.

619
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:42.679
What do you wish that you could
put out? I don't know, man,

620
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:47.719
I think I just want to rattle
stuff off, and I don't you

621
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:52.760
know, I'm like thinking about it
too hard. Now I've been there.

622
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.400
Don't worry, It's okay. Honestly, dude, I would love to like

623
00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:58.960
and this is one who just popped
in my head the other day. I

624
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:04.280
would love to do Begotten again on
tape. That's just awesome. Apparently it

625
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.880
goes for a lot of money right
now, and I'm like, you need

626
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.880
to watch that on tape for sure. That's how I watched it. Yeah,

627
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:15.480
you know, but I would do
it like with silver embossing and stuff

628
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:16.960
like, go all out. I
know this is just a pipe dream right

629
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.480
now, but I might can do
it. I can, I go for

630
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.039
it. I'm really happy to put
out frog Man. I love Frogman so

631
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:30.000
sick. There's some movies that I
wish I could put out though that I

632
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:32.000
just it's it's never gonna it just
I don't know if it can happen,

633
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.360
of course. Unfortunately that's how it
goes. Yeah. I mean that's because

634
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.239
I want to do it right.
You know. I know a lot of

635
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:44.920
people are just putting stuff on tape
and don't worry about licensing or or rights,

636
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.519
and they're going to do that.
But I mean I like doing it

637
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:52.480
right man. I like doing it
you know, the the way it should

638
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:58.159
be done, try to honor the
artists and right like all the licenses and

639
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.280
ship like it's it's makes it feel
more real, I guess, you know.

640
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:07.239
And it's done right and everybody gets
their due credit. So I don't

641
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.360
know if it's just me, but
I can say that for me, it

642
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:15.119
feels differently going with somebody like lunch
Meat that you can tell does the right

643
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:21.280
thing and licenses everything and makes the
deals and getting you know, some random

644
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.239
mass which is basically just a blank
tape with the you know, sometimes it's

645
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:28.719
like a color deck slapped on there. But when you get that, it

646
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.599
just doesn't feel good. There's something
missing there, and it's quite obvious.

647
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.639
Yeah, I always wonder, you
know. I mean, I've seen some

648
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.599
you know, unofficial bootleg editions out
there of people doing they're doing great work.

649
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:44.199
It looks awesome, you know,
like the artwork looks great and it's

650
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.679
a really cool release, but it's
not I don't know, you know,

651
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.920
And I think it's all I think
it's all viable, Like we're not viable,

652
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.719
but I think it's all like,
you know, it's all part of

653
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.039
the culture, like whether you like
it or not, and it's going to

654
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.920
influence what's going to happen in the
way it's in the future, you know,

655
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:05.000
especially with tape that was a big
part of it the nineties too.

656
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:10.400
Yeah, And I don't know,
I mean, those are usually stuff that

657
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.880
gets booty, Like there are titles
that I won't go after, you know,

658
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.400
but that makes sense. Yeah,
I mean I just want to.

659
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.039
I just want to put out cool
movies on tape, man, And I

660
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.400
think it's awesome that people still buy
them and watch them right now. And

661
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.760
world's expensive, like expensive, I
sell very non essential good, you know.

662
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.320
So it makes me happy that like
people want to support it and that

663
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.199
people still want to watch it on
tape and believe in it. And because

664
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.800
that's it was just something I was
really into in my early twenties, you

665
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.360
know. I was passionate about it. I still am. And it's just

666
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:49.719
cool that like doing a zine has
brought so much happiness to me and to

667
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:55.360
other people, you know, and
like has kept films alive and has uncovered

668
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.559
films that probably wouldn't come out or
otherwise. You know, those are all

669
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.239
cool feelings, you know, after
dinner for fifteen years. So I agree,

670
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.000
Well, I mean, what's the
what's the future hole after doing that

671
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.719
for fifteen years? What's what's coming
up soon for lunch meeting? Oh?

672
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:15.239
Probably a bunch of weird stuff,
you know, I'm putting. I did

673
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.480
a joke book that I'll be releasing
soon. Nice. I don't even know

674
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.639
where this came from, but I
just loved it. There was one hundred

675
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.639
one joke books from when I was
a kid and I started writings were huge

676
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:31.000
in the mid nineties. This is
the best, dude. Those had to

677
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:35.480
get one, had to get five. So that's just the idea. So

678
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:44.079
it's called Home Video Humor one hundred
and one ridiculous rewind inclined funnies and all

679
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:49.119
like it's it's all like dad jokes
and bad puns and but it's all based

680
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:57.400
on like vhs and v VCRs and
video stores. It's ridiculous. The first

681
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.000
seventy five jokes were easy, and
then the last like twenty six, I

682
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:07.840
was just like so hard, so
hard. So so that's coming out,

683
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.199
you know, more VHS releases,
we're gonna try. We're trying to do

684
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:19.719
some more books, more of the
VH same. But I think we're always

685
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:24.280
going to be expanding and trying new
stuff and trying to get the culture out

686
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:29.519
there. You know, and however
people want to listen, we need to

687
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.480
do more of the video stuff.
You know. It's ironic. We don't

688
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:37.159
like to do too much video other
than putting in the VCR so well,

689
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:39.119
and lunch Meat has been on the
forefront with a lot of things with Home

690
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:44.760
Video Horrors and Video Vortex and stuck
on VHS, that was a big deal

691
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.079
for a while. I don't think
that's in print anymore either, is it

692
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.840
now. We're trying to bring it
back soon though. That's good to know.

693
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:57.599
That's good to know. Video Vortex
and Home Video Horror, anything on

694
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.000
the horizon prely of those that you
want to share tell people what they are.

695
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:06.159
So Video Vortex I don't work with
anymore. That is actually the reason

696
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:07.800
I moved to Raleigh is to come
down here and you know, kind of

697
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:15.840
open and build that video store for
Almo, that brand really and after it

698
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:17.039
was going really well, it was
cool. It was a really cool video

699
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:24.199
store at like seventy thousand titles plus
to rent for free. And after Pandemic

700
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.920
it kind of just never got invited
back, so it kind of just moved

701
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.519
on, right, But it's still
there and you can still rent seventy thousand

702
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:36.039
titles for free if you're in Rolling
North heroline at Video Vortex. So that's

703
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.639
the news on that, and then
Home Video Hors just a lot of fun

704
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:44.159
with my friend Jackie Lawrence, such
a fantastic photographer. I love going over

705
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:49.199
ideas with him and coming up with
shots and picking the movies. I think

706
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:53.760
we want to do a book at
some point, right because I think we

707
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:58.599
have like seventy some pictures now,
yeah, real nice coffee table book.

708
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.559
Yeah, like use the pictures,
but then have us write reviews or talk

709
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.880
about films that are something. Maybe
we'll do that in the future. I

710
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.679
just think that the photography is way
too cool to just like it should be

711
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:15.360
collected. Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, we'll keep doing calendars. We're

712
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.119
trying to do more stuff on vhs. Like I said, it should be

713
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.400
in print, so we're trying to
bring it back into print. Awesome.

714
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.880
I will try to share if that
comes out and let everybody know let's back

715
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.800
because I don't have a copy of
I'd love to have a copy of that.

716
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.000
Cool all right, Josh, Well, thanks for hanging out today.

717
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.760
Hopefully this has been interesting and helped
and somewhat I hope people out there will

718
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:44.480
take a look because again, the
accessibility and the idea behind it is so

719
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.559
important and for people that are into
any sort of physical media. Again,

720
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:53.440
this isn't there's parallels everywhere. Anything
surrounding VHS can and will happen to any

721
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:59.079
other format, So it's important to
keep that in mind and not repeat history

722
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:06.000
in a way where we forget where
our forefathers of physical formats came from.

723
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:12.719
That was beautiful man. Well again, thanks Josh. Everybody check out Lunch

724
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.760
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