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Many of the top players are using
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say it's still a little bit under
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game coach, a trainer. They
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nutritionist. I mean, there's a
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there's breathing coaches as well. All
right, this is Roy mcquack from than

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One, Capistrano, California, and
I'm a golf instructor at One Hill Golf

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Club at the Golf Smarter number eight
hundred eighty fix using yoga as a tool

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to master golf and other parts of
your life with Kevin Robovski. This is

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Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips
and insights from great golf mines to help

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you lower your score and raise your
golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred

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Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter
podcast. Kevin. Aloha, Fred Aloha

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from Hawaii. Aloha. Thank you
so much. Love talking about Hawaii.

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But actually I'm going to really enjoy
this conversation because I was telling a friend

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of mine just a few minutes ago
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about golf and yoga anyway. Well, that's right in your wheelhouse. Yeah,

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it really is. I've been I've
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the mental aspect of the game for
as long as I've been doing this podcast,

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but I've always been a firm believer
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for a golfer. So it's really
great to have you on. So I'd

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like to ask you a question,
Fred, because I'm always curious, Um,

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So, do you practice yoga regularly
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I do three or four times a
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that I that I'm gonna play.
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I'm either walking a golf course or
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It's more it's not any specific practice
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was a golf app called Yoga for
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because that's something like that. Yeah, right, But it's a yoga program

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designed for golfers and I'll remember the
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and they have daily stretching programs that
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started Actually, I started doing yoga
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it inconsistently, but consistently for forty
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I mean the reason I ask is
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different people, right, um,
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or maybe what they're what their perception
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of yoga, and it's it's good
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the background and traditions of the poses
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the time people are doing some kind
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or the poses um that you know, sort of increased flexibility. But there's

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so much more to yoga than that, um, you know, in terms

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of the breathing element and what the
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a little bit of I would suppose
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a spiritual aspect, but also you
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you know, living sort of a
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gentleness to all people and all things. UM. So yeah, it's something

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that if you do practice yoga,
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I would try to get beyond just
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for greater flexibility and mobility, and
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route to get there. Yeah,
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I would play Devil's advocate a little
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yoga more than just for the stretching
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is a lifestyle benefit in terms of
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the classes are so important. I
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at home, it becomes a little
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go to the studio and you in
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you get the experience of the teacher
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it's a lot. I think it's
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and deeper experience in the in the
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well yeah, half the yoga is
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And I was doing classes for a
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hit no more classes, so I
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and then again yeah, uh,
and how you know, my wife and

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I subscribe to to a program that
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that we like and do that with
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for golf, yes, that I
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Catherine years ago and been following her
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combination of golf in yoga a little
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you know, the stretching and flexibility
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breathing and maybe the lifestyle aspects of
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is the direction that you know,
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Yeah. Actually, Roger Fredericks and
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Golf Channel a while back, and
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out San Diego. Yeah, I
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me on UM and I was like
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flexible. They're like, no,
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their experience, right, I always
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not in another area. So I
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I always see people very flexible in
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are on my age over fifty,
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professional golfers that are very golf flexible. And they would not be able to

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get through the yoga class that I
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it. They'd have to take a
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do half the class. But in
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the highest level. And so you
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golf swing will make you golf flexible. And so even though you just to

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look at them, you wouldn't necessarily
screen, You wouldn't necess necessarily, you

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know, look at or suggest that
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be very golf flexible. And I've
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yoga teachers high level, the highest
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and not very golf flexible. So
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its flexibility, and that's it's so
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joints, your thirteen major joints,
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and flexion and side bending and rotation, pro nation, supernation, I mean

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extension. It's just so many things
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down and through that. Yeah,
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flexible if you're going to do it
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they didn't tell me that. You
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a good job there. I'm sure
that's not what they said on television.

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Yeah with me, but I'm curious
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Was it the golf or was it
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you know. I started in nineteen
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New York, where I was from, and I really had caught the golf

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bug. And I got a part
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Greg Nichols and while I had a
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time, the Hawaiian Open now it's
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and I met Mac O'Grady there who
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nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty eight, and he sort of introduced me

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to the yoga and his system.
The more ad swing was really a yoga

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inspired golf swing, So trying to
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balance, the symmetry, um,
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sort of golf swing model. UM. And so yeah, that's that's basically

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where I got my start. Excellent. Well, I want to I want

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to dig deep into that, but
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his yoga inspired swing. Uh tell
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Greg Nichols who introduced us, and
I truly appreciate that. Trying to get

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him on the podcast as well,
but he's being he's a reluctant talker.

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and your lessons and what he brought
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about Mac was that he was really
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the pro shop the car barn and
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get to know the staff. I
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the pro shop carbarn. They just
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and they have a job to do. They're sort of I would say

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tunnel vision a little bit. Of
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but other than that, you know, it's pretty much all business when

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they get to the golf course.
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and get to know them, and
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know, I was very curious.
I was young, eighteen years old,

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and yeah, so he saw something
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you know, every year we would
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about the swing, and then eventually
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his system. Um, you know, from from A to Z. And

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at that time Mac was a very
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in nineteen eighty six, in eighty
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was he was voted best swing on
the PGA Tour. And he had the

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swing completely diagrammed, so he had
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the swing. He left no stone
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UM, he had a model and
then UM. Basically, uh. This

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model was somewhat inspired by how the
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in alignment. UM, and maintaining
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sort of I would say, maximizing
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the swing. All of these things
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and a lot of it was inspired
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yes, really so this modeling.
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at that at this time, basically
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you on as a student, you're
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because, I say, to some
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really believed that the body needed a
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to do his swing, and and
so you would recommend a very basic

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book. It was called I think
Thirty Days to Yoga. UM. It

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was a book published in the seventies
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half the yoga U. And but
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would recommend if you were interested in
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you are, you are, you
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poses you know, almost on a
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familiar with the Mourad swing, at
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was originally um construed by Michael Grady
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wanted to m create a blueprint for
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looking at the human anatomy and the
skeletal system, say, okay, based

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on the way a human being is
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what's the most efficient way to swing
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it gets the golf swing producers power, accuracy, consistency, and very little

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strain on the body, very little
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dubbed the Morad swing. Basically was
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first, and they they patent ug
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Gary McCord came on board and it
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Development, and for a while it
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evolved over time, and but the
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science and using or let's say,
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basically applying these ideas to the golf
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for it. So what's the blueprint? I mean, I'm fascinated by this.

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checklist, and it hasn't been published. I mean, Mac has basically kept

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an interest in publishing this. M
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and he hasn't gone to publication with
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you know, I've seen a lot
of material and the lot and I have

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some of the material. But it's
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that happened in this wing from address
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came up with the idea of identifying
these sections of the swing and basically labeling

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them. So he came up with
the idea that P one position one is

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address, P two is takeaway.
P three is halfway back, P four

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position four is the top of the
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et cetera, et cetera. So
basically labeling these sections of the swing and

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having an exact anatomical position and club
position for each of these positions and has

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it all written down, just hasn't
been published yet. That's fascinating. Why

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not? I mean, will he
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obviously, So I think it's complicated. At Number one is that I

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think he's his ideas continuing continue to
evolve. So that's one thing I don't

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think he's been quite satisfied completely with
it as as a whole. Number two

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is to go mainstream and to go
through the traditional publication process, he'd have

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to compromise a little bit and give
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and maybe even the some of the
content how it's organized. So I don't

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think he's compromised well. When he
has had opportunities to publish through Golf Digest,

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publishing, through other avenues, he's
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the compromises that he's had to make
dealing with these different you know, business

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ventures. He hasn't been able to
compromise it, so you know then of

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course he's explored self publishing. But
yeah, to date, nothing yet has

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come mainstream. I think it will
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and so it may happen posthumously.
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and this information has been around since
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top teachers worldwide have gotten bits of
the more AD checklist and have used this

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to teach the world's best players.
Sean Foley in particular has a very more

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AD influenced teaching philosophy Stack and Tilt
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not only that, many many teachers
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You mentioned stack untild and we've talked
here a lot about the loss fundamental

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or Tony Manzoni swing, the single
pivot swing. UM do you incorporate,

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like from many different teachers what you
teach, including yoga practice, but your

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your golf swing techniques or where what
do you consider yourself focus on in your

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golf instruction. Yeah, I think
i'm I'm probably most influenced by the original,

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you know, sort of more ad
model, which is a very centered

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swing, so the upper body stays
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shifts but very minimal and mostly it's
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to the body and then a very
dynamic recocking of the risks through the ball

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so you get like a whip like
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was so balanced and centered and very
much in alignment that it was striking,

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especially if you watch the videos of
him on tour, very he stood out

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in just the clean the cleanness of
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excessive moving movement or moving parts,
right, So risk trying to really create

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efficiency, efficient movement, and that's
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the the goal of yoga practice in
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or vinyasa flow connecting one pose to
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clean and minimize extra movement and really
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know sort of goal, we can
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postures. Mhm um, talk to
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what you said about recocking the risk
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you know it's you know, risk
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it has, it's had its time
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trends come and go, but you
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universal that teachers would like to have
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degrees in the backswing. So you
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top of your back swing between your
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bring that down. We call that
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horizontal to the ground. And then
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Max teaching was the left knee is
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the hands are going on a circular
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cocking upwards very very quickly. So
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circular orbit around the left hip,
and we're not rolling the club face into

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a closed position with our wrists.
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and the shaft in the finish will
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elbows close together, and so it
has a very like short arc, look

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like whipping a towel, where it
creates that snap right, So it's not

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a long wraparound follow through where a
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you're coming up and out of your
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was a very snappy, quick short
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very quickly terminate the rotation and then
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so that's why Max swing was very
It was very striking in a sense that

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it looks so simple, but he
hits so far and that's what created a

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tremendous amount of interest in him when
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seeing anybody on the tour today that
you can look and go okay, that's

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a Maco Grady influence. Justin Rose
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ad swing almost to a t I
see the influence in a lot of swings

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Max Honma. I think a lot
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it or not, are using a
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and where do you see that fitting
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Max's history was as a young high
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like a prodigy and had sort of
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finger grip, very strong, hit
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basically as a as a late teenager, but didn't really make it to the

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main tour. So Mac was famous
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failing and then finally you know a
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he really struggled, so he lost
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instruction at that time in the seventies
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reverse sea driving the legs and and
Mac lost his skill, he lost

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his ability, and when he met
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Kelly's ideas resurrected his game and very
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European Tour, so he qualified for
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next year he qualified for the PGA
Tour and so he was like a three

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two year old rookie UM and and
then Homer Kelly passed away after his rookie

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year and Mac wasn't very satisfied with
Ben Doyle and so it led to Mac

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doing his own research. So he
was partnered with um a friend named Zavin

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men Jakian who was a master's degree
in biology, and the two of them

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they tried to create this blueprint for
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comes together. Yeah, So Homer
Kelly was a big part of Mac and

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more at interesting. Okay that now
all now we've put all these pieces together.

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That's awesome. Thank you. Um. So. I was looking at

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your website KMR School of Golf dot
com. Yeah, and I couldn't be

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more enamored with the photographs of where
you are when you play, where you

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teach, Tell me about where you
are. So co Allowed Golf Course was

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a in Hawaii. It's it's a
very famous historical course for two reasons.

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I think Number one is that I
think golf Jai Jess rated it the number

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one golf course in the state of
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And this was maybe in the early
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So this is on the Big Island. This is on Oahu, so we're

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twenty minutes from Honolulu, and so
it's just just a spectacular golf course.

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Japanese billionaire named mister Minami he created
this and just an exorbitant amount of money

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to develop this golf course in the
mountains, so we're in the co Allowed

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Mountain range. Yeah, it's very
spectacular. And and also what is very

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notable about coal Ow is for four
or five years we had the highest slope

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raiding in nation, so we overtook
Pine Valley. So I think there's a

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limit to the slope raiding, but
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just basically at that time in particular, it was heavily bunkered, lots of

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jungle, a lot of uneven lies, and a lot of force carry So

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we have ravines on the golf course
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for the average player, it's a
very challenging course. I mean there's a

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running joke that you don't keep score
at coll Ow, you just you count

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how many golf balls you lose,
and that's how you judge how well you

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play. Oh that's painful. Yeah, I mean I hear one sixty five

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slow, but I'm like, yeah, I'm no. That would just be

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so frustrating for the average golfer.
It's like I'm having a terrible Well,

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yeah, you can't hit it sideways. If you hit it sideways, the

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balls lost sou But yeah, I
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worth it regardless, so you can
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thousand COVID twenty twenty, the golf
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they asked to get out of the
contract with the owner. They were

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having financial difficulty, and so the
course and the driving range fell into my

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lap. Okay, I want to
hear more about that, but I want

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to take one more break, and
I want to hear all about what happened

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during COVID. This week is number
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he says, has always been fat. Since going to the single pivot,

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I have virtually eliminated fat shots.
In my last few rounds, I've

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hit more greens than typical. I'm
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through, even to my putting.
Swaying on all shots is my problem with

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golf. You have to be careful
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medicine was absolutely prescribed for me.
Thanks Tom, it's a great review.

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Well. This week is part one
of two episodes called take Your Game to

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the Next Level, one club at
a time. The less you emphasize putting,

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the better you'll put The more you
talk about it and think about it,

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I think it puts a block.
I think with Hogan, he hit

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it so close in his later years
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for that. And I think that's
what happened with Hogan. He made statements

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that said, punny shouldn't be so
important, you should get points just for

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getting it close to the whole.
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because he did hit it so close, and unfortunately he did have the yips.

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He couldn't pull a putterback on a
short put The only time I had

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the pleasure of seeing him play golf, and at the Olympic Club. He

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played in the I think it was
the Open, and I mean he hit

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every fairway, every green, and
I don't think he had more than a

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twelve foot put all day. And
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But when he got that four or
five foot or his pant leg would be

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shaken. He couldn't pull a putterback. Wow, you think about that.

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This is the guy that could hit
a go in a motel and hit a

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two arm right down the hallway and
not hit either side. That's Golf Smarter

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being released every Friday from wherever you're
listening right now. Yeah. Actually,

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gret Nichols, when he and I
were emailing and he was recommending that I

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talked to. He was saying,
definitely ask him about what happened during COVID.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, so
it lands in your lap and now

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people are not able to travel to
Hawaii during that time. They're very restricting

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a lot of travel in and out
right. How were you able to survive?

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How did you do well? Luckily? You know, my golf school

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has been here since two thousand and
three, so I was subleasing um my

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area to teach and I have an
indoor office as well, um, and

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so everything was fine. It's just
the you know, from a golf course

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operations standpoint, Um, definitely,
they were hurting with a lack of tourism.

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My clientele isn't tourists based. It's
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one thing that that is very good
about coal all Ow is we have a

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fantastic um driving range and it's all
grass. So we have an area,

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a practice area of three decks,
and then a teaching area that has two

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decks and they're all grass. And
it's a it's a three decks three decks

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and they're all grass. Yeah,
yep, So we have that well,

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I mean it's just lucky. The
space that was you know, they they

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did a good job with organizing a
practice facility. And what runs in our

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favor is that a lot of the
country clubs on Oahoo, which are wili

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O Wahoo Country Club in Mid Pacific
Country Club, they kind of ran out

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of land for their driving range,
so they have very limited space. It's

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Matt's only. Um. They candid
drivers a lot um. So the members

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are not as pleased with their practice
facility. So I have a lot of

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the country club people join my school
because of the practice area, and of

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course, you know, and the
and the lessons as well. And but

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yeah, so we have a really
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that high. I would say maybe
a thousand feet in elevation. No,

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but you're just surrounded by spectacular mountains. Yeah. We're at the base of

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the Kola Mountains. Yeah, so
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the other side is Honolulu. So
you go through a tunnel, the poly

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tunnel, and you come out the
other side, and now you're on the

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other side of the island. You're
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now I'm gonna go back to where
we're starting earlier and talk about breathing and

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the importance of breathing and how how
to make it more impactful on your golf

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swing, and will incorporate yoga too. But you know, so many teachers

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talk about and so many players,
I mean elite players talk about the importance

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of breathing. Yeah. I think
it's the next sort of big breakthrough performance

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enhancement in golf. And and many
of the top players are using a breathing

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coach now. And it's still I
would say, it's still a little bit

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under the radar. This goes beyond
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modern pro, the modern PG eight
tor pro has like six seven coaches,

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swing coach, punning coach, short
game coach. They have a trainer,

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they may have someone for flexibility,
you know, sports psychologist, nutritionist.

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I mean, there's a lot of
coaching going on. You better make you

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better make the cuts to pay those
people. Yeah, that's right, um.

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And now and now there's breathing coaches
as well. And so you know,

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breathing is something that understress gets very
impacted. Um. And this is

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where we use a certain techniques that
are all based from the yoga breathing which

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is called prana yama, and so
all these breathing coaches, the most famous

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is probably whim Hoff. He's led
this breathing sort of explosion in terms of

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bringing it to the forefront. But
it's all, you know, it's all

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based on the ancient yoga breathing prani
yama. And there's many, many different

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styles of this breathing that you can
do. But for golf performance, I

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would recommend a very deep breathing to
calm the nerves and to increase the focus,

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and really it helps with subduing doubt
and fear and you know these mental

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demons that keep up that distract our
mind and give us, you know,

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sometimes fear and lack of confidence,
and that can definitely impact the players golf

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and their golf swing, their execution. So this form of deep breathing with

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closed mouth and just through the nose, and there's many ways you can do

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it, but it's a very elongated
breath and it's very different because your belly

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actually expands on the inhale, so
the belly doesn't go inward, it goes

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outward on the inhalation. And then
you can use account. You hold at

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the top and then there's a deep
exhalation through the nose, and again you

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can elongate the count on the exhalation, and you really try to empty the

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breath at the end. So the
inhalation might be on a four count,

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you might hold for a five count, and then you exhale on a seven

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or eight count. And so that
counting also is important because it gives the

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mind and the brain something to focus
on and away from those doubts and fears

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that golfers might have, especially like
on the first tea and tournament golf in

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particular, and no pro is exempt
from sometimes feeling insecure or doubtful. Sometimes

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their driving raine session that day didn't
go so well, and so they go

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to that first teeth are not really
so sure how the day's gonna go.

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And they all understand that if you
have a strong breathing regimen, then that

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kind of goes away, you know, it gives it gives you like an

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equilibrium and allows you to um,
you know, move away from those distracting

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thoughts. Well. One of the
beautiful things about podcasts is that we're in

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people's heads, right. They listen
mostly with earbuds or headphones or in their

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car, and so it's a very
um direct communication and a very intimate communication.

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So we've got their attention right now. Can may I be so bold

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as you tube kind of walk us
through a breathing exercise? Sure, do

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it together. So I would say, for um, if you're on the

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first if you're on the first t
in a in a very stressful competitive situation,

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UM, I would I would kind
of move over to the side,

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and you know, I'm holding my
driver right and and you know, so

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you just hold hold your club comfortably
and maybe just take three rounds of what's

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called oogi breath, right, So
I would close my eyes and I would

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um, sort of exhale all breath
and then close my mouth and then inhale.

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And when I inhale, my belly
is expanding. I'm gonna make like

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an oceanic sound through my nose and
I'm going to count to four, so

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it'll be like this, and then
we hold at the top for a count

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of five one, two, three, four, five, and then exhale

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through the nose, maybe on an
eight count, making that oceanic sound six

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seven, eight, And then I
would do that three times. And when

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you open your eyes. You've got
about a minute left to go before you

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te off, or the starter calls
your name something like this, M yeah,

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you feel in a little more.
Um um I I would say there's

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a slight euphoria to it, but
not like an exciting euphoria, just a

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calming euphoria. And we get the
we we call this like a yoga high.

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This is the euphoria you experience,
you know, especially after a yoga

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practice, which is continually teacher,
a good yoga teacher is continuingly queuing the

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breath and so you know, you're
you're whether you're conscious of it or not,

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you're inhaling and exhaling, you know, for an hour continuously. And

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this is called oogi breath and the
purpose of it is to calm the nerves,

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to increase focus and distract the negative
thoughts. It's awesome. And again,

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what I love about podcasting is people
can go back and just participate and

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they can do this with us.
So that was phenomenal. Thank you.

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Now, for people who who are
fascinated by and interested in maybe starting a

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yoga practice to enhance their golf game, um, what would you suggest would

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be the best way to get started? Or even a couple of different positions

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to get started. Sure, so
there's a lot of options. I would

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say if you want to do if
you wanted to do yoga to sort of

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as a as a means of improving
your happiness and your life, I would

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say that would be first and foremost, and golf might be a part of

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that, but basically that would be
a good motivation, would be just to

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sort of, you know, have
more joy, more fulfillment, more happiness.

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A yoga practice would be a great
way to start. And pretty much

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every every town, every city has
a vocals yoga studio nearby, and that's

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where I would start. And you
can, you know, generally these yoga

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studios, you would do a Google
search and you know, near near your

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home and find a studio that's convenient, and then you would take a beginner

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yoga class. So entry level yoga
class is something that all yoga studios offer.

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And if that feels into intimidating to
just jump into a beginner yoga class,

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I would go to the yoga studio
and get maybe a private lesson or

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two, and that would be another
way of sort of just incorporating a yoga

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practice so that it's maybe a less
intimidating to take up a private lesson,

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of course, that would be a
beginner lesson fabulous. Well, the app

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that I use my wife and I
use when doing yoga and having lots of

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different instructures called Yoga Glow. I
don't know if you're familiar with that one,

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but that can be checked out too, But it is really it really

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does make sense if you are fascinated
by and are interested in starting a yoga

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practice for yourself to definitely go to
classes so you have a teacher who can

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guide you through the positions and help
you do them properly so that you can

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take them home and work on them
themselves again. Kmar School of goolf dot

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com is where you can find more
from Kevin, and definitely, if you're

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you're gonna go visit Pearl Harbor,
you should definitely go and check out this

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golf course as well and the amazing
three level driving range grass I'm fascinating,

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would love to see it. Kevin, thanks so much for your time today.

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Really enjoyed, really learned a lot. Thanks thank you so much.

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Fred anytime mad So Usually I'm able
to put together each podcast the day that

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it's going to be published, but
this week I'm actually on vacation. You're

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like right now and doing something pretty
outrageous. If you've been listening over the

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years, you may remember when we
went to Africa to have both mountain gorilla

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and wild chimpanzee encounters. Well,
now Joanna and I are in Mexico,

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on the Pacific side of Baja California, on a five day adventure along the

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shores of the Sangnacio Lagoon, where
gray whales have migrated to for thousands of

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generations. This gray whale sanctuary is
where mother gray whales approach small boats and

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encourage us to scratch, pet and
even sing to them and their newly born

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calves. Oh, it's crazy.
Over the years, this has become a

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regular occurrence, only it's sad Ignaciogoon. This truly unique location is the only

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gray whale berthing lagoon in the world
that has been left untouched by man and

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has a local community striving to keep
the lagoon a sacred and protected sanctuary for

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these magnificent and friendly giants. Crazy. No, yes, but now you

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understand why. I also encouraged you
last week to check out Joanne's new podcast

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in this story with Joanne Green as
these are the type of adventures that have

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become our way of life. I've
been scheduling a flurry of conversations for upcoming

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episodes. Next week, we'll meet
renowned golf course architect Augustine Aggie Pisa.

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Aggie and I had a really energetic
conversation about golf course architecture, the future,

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sustainable design, how amateur golfers can
read and take advantage of the nuances

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which he refers to as nuisances that
are in important an element of golf course

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design. And we'll hear about his
incredible idea that he calls Butterfly Golf.

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I promise you you won't want to
miss this one. Other episodes coming up

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include instructors new and old for us, including Jim Waldron, John Ericsson,

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Jacob Bowden, and Devin Bonebreak,
who played for Tony Manzoni at College of

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the Desert. Now, for the
Week of the Masters, Doctor Bob Jones,

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the Fourth Bobby Jones's grandson, will
return with more stories about the golf

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legend. And for the week of
the US Open, we'll meet Charlie Meetcham,

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