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Jamar Chase and t Higgins. We're all

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over Radio Row and unfortunately Willie Anderson
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with Lockdown Bengals and James. We're going

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to get into some topics from Vegas
as Jamar Chase and T Higgins were on

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Radio Row making some comments about T
Higgins' future, about what could have been

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this year. Going to focus today
on T Higgins's future and unfortunately Willy Anderson

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is still waiting for the Hall of
Fame. We're going to start with those

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two topics. Yeah, Look,
I think there's so much made of the

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Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow and LSU
bond, and it's obviously, you know,

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especially between Jamar and Joe, it's
a great bond. Like justin Jefferson's

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always thrown out there, Clyde Edwards
a Larry and I'm gonna be guilty of

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it. I'm gonna throw his name
out there soon in that connection that bond.

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Bad Moss, Joe Burrow, T
Higgins and Jamar Chase as a trio

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have been together longer than that LSU
group that everyone talks about the bond,

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and so I do think it's interesting
when you watch k Adams right or any

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of these interviews from Radio Row and
T Higgins is talking about his future,

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Jamar Chase is talking about his future, and Jamar's like, I don't even

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want to go there yet, And
I agree, because I think there's a

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very real scenario where either it's the
last season that they're together in twenty twenty

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four, or maybe they've played their
last snap together. And Jamar I think

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already felt that and went through that
with Tyler Tyler Boyd in just processing that

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mentally, now, who knows,
maybe Tyler comes back, but I think

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mentally he's there, and so with
t he doesn't want to be there.

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And so I just want to highlight
that I think they are tight. It's

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not just the Bounty sponsorship that it
has brought them together. I think they

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are good friends. And they keep
saying that that's my wingman. Well,

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I wouldn't go that far. That's
the little tag slogan that they're asked to

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say for the sponsor, but I
do think they view it that way to

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a degree, like that they're bo
and so that does matter, and hopefully

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they can play together for quite some
time. And that's kind of where I'm

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at. I would like the Bengals
to re sign Tea above all else.

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I don't think it will happen,
but that's that's where I'm hopeful that it

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does. Yeah, the ideal outcome
remains t Higgins extension and Andre Prada just

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did some great analysis on Twitter breaking
down how the cap percentages would compare to

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the Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne Marvin
Harrison trio in Indianapolis back in Peyton Manning's

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day and Indy. The other thing
from Higgins that I thought was interesting is

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when they're talking about the future,
te Higgins said, it's not really the

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plan. It sounds like option A
is staying Cincinnati. Option B is get

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paid a boatload of money and free
agency. Option A, of course,

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also involves getting paid a boatload of
money and staying in Cincinnati. Neither's a

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bad option for Tea. You understand
why he would take either of those choices,

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but it does sound like OPTIONE is
saying in Cincinnati. Meanwhile, let's

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talk NFL honors. Six of nine
major awards go to the AFC North,

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and you know, every time something
like this happens, I just sit here

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and think, Man, the NFL
show does fall over themselves to pile awards

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onto the Browns, the Steelers,
the Ravens when they do anything well.

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The Bengals not so much. Although
Joe Burrow did recently win Comeback Player of

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the Year, Jamar Chase did recently
win Offensive Rookie of the Year. For

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these other awards, you have to
go way back, and probably deservedly so.

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I'm not saying there's anything crazy there, but there is an anti Bengals

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bias historically from AP voters and Willie
Anderson. I think in his still languishing

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Hall of Fame campaign. It is
a great example of that. It just

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shouldn't be this hard to get the
best right tackle of his generation into the

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Hall of Fame. And there's another
great group of guys joining Hall of Fame

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eligibility next year. James, It's
hard to say what's going to happen in

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the future. It sounds like Willy
Anderson was closer this year, and it's

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a really good Hall of Fame class. But like I said, it just

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shouldn't be this hard. This should
have been done a long time ago.

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It should be a no brainer.
The fact that we're sitting here talking about

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a year after year is starting to
get it, not starting to get continues

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to be frustrated. Yeah, I
agree. And the crappy part about it

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is I wasn't super confident. I
know there was a lot of hope.

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I wasn't super confident he was getting
in this year. And it has nothing

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to do with him. It's just
the process, and I think it will

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happen. But until it does,
I'm just kind of like, Okay,

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we'll see. It's almost like,
all right, I'm the anti Michael Scott.

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I'm not ready to get hurt again, So I'm not I like,

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mentally, I'm over here because I
can't control it. I'm not a voter

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or anything like that. And me
tweeting about it. There's been plenty of

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Bengals fans, pundits people that have
tweeted about it, and that's great.

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I think the pub is certainly necessary. And then you look at who got

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in, and I would disagree and
with some of them, not that they

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shouldn't be in at some point,
but I do think Willy deserves credit for

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his tweets of being humble and respecting
the process. At the same time,

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I don't think it takes an NFL
Hall of Fame voter to look at it

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and say, well, Willy Anders
didn't get in, Antonio Gates didn't get

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in. And the longevity of Antonio
Gates, how long he played, he

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retired in twenty eighteen after the twenty
eighteen season. Billy Price and Antonio Gates

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played in the NFL at the same
time. To just put it in perspective

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that way, it's kind of wild. So yeah, I was surprised,

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and not just by Willie but by
Antonio as well. Just to show that

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it's not just this orange and black
colored glasses that I'm looking at. Hopefully

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Willy gets in next year, though, and Antonio Gates is a clear easy

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like I don't great, I don't
know. Hall of Fame voters seem to

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always get something wrong or some things
wrong. This year. It's tough,

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Like I said, like, it
shouldn't have taken Patrick Willis this long to

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get it. It shouldn't have taken
some of these guys multiple years. Patrick

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Willis probably should have been a first
out Hall of Famer. There's a bunch

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of guys coming up that are deserving
of the Hall of Fame as well.

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And this is part of the problem
they have where they're only putting five guys

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in from the modern list every year. Is there's just a lot of guys

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to get through, and I think
that is a challenge. But Willie Anderson

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will be going into his twelfth year
of Hall of Fame eligibility. I believe

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he's gone three years now in a
row as a finalist. Next year is

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probably going to be four years in
a row, I would imagine. Don't

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think that should change. And hopefully
it's just the slowest steps of progress and

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working his way through the process.
And we don't have to talk about this

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for too many more years because the
guy's deserving of the Hall of Fame honor.

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I don't know how much I want
to talk about the rest of the

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NFL honors. James Kevin Stefanski became
these thirteenth coach ever to be a multi

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time AP Coach of the Year winner, and on a tiebreaker, so Lisa

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was close, I guess, but
they should really rename that award to coach

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whose team outperform media expectations the most. Because Andy Reid's won at once,

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Kyle Shanahan has never wont to Bill
Belichick only won it three times in his

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coaching career. The best coach just
doesn't win this award most years. It's

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the coach who x's expectations by the
most. Yeah, a lot of these

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awards are like that, and that's
why you better not do in your profession.

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Don't try to do it for the
trophy are the hardware. Because you're

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getting the hardware, it might not
be the best sign. Kevin Stevanski did

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a great job. I also think
that the voting eight he should have been

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second Themiko Ryans would have been my
vote. I would have voted for Puka

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Nakua, by the way, So
it's not like I was just thinking,

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all Houston, Pooka should have gotten
way more votes for Offensive Rookie of the

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Year to me, didn't. And
you know there's a couple other ones that

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there's debate about. I'm not shocked
about Miles Garrett. I think that makes

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sense. You made a good point
about Assistant Coach of the Year though,

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Steve Spagnolo. Definitely, And we're
recording this before Super Bowl fifty eight.

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Yeah, he's bawling. How does
he not get more votes? Regular season

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Neighbors. There's one right away.
I'm not making fun of them for it

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wholesale. The first first five picks
quarterback, quarterback, receiver, receiver,

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receiver. You could you could see
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though I could not see. Hey, by the way, Brian,

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let's see Brian Callahan. If Jade
Daniels is there at seven, seriously consider

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it. Don't be all in on
Will Levis. You must be out your

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mind anyways. I agree Cooper Dejohn
at seven, though that seems pretty wild

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to me. Totally agree. The
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can continue to not agree with bo
Nix and zero chance. I don't think

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I do either. But we'll see
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Sure, that'll be who goes in
the top seventeen that isn't projected to

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right now quarterback wise, So Bengals
on the clock here, and the situation

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just for the people who aren't watching
and are just listening is Joe alt Olufshanu

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to Lise Fuaga, j C.
Latham are the tackles that have been selected.

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There have been a couple of cornerbacks
selected as well. Yep, I'm

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still thinking transistors on Newton. Johnny
Newton also goes one pick before our pick,

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a situation where, by the way, you're one hundred percent thinking about

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trading up for Newton in my opinion
if he gets anywhere close to your pick,

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and you know, I'm probably considering
this from twelve on if I'm the

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Bengals, maybe even a little bit
earlier, depending on the cost of those

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I'd be calling each of those teams. So there are trade up possible abilities.

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There was also trade back possibilities.
They're five teams interested in coming up

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here, but probably look at the
players available before we talk about streets.

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Yeah, Terry on Arnold available,
quin Jon Mitchell available, so two top

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corners, Brian Thomas Junior available,
Jackson Powers Johnson available kool Aid, McKinstry

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available, Amarus mims of available,
Troy Franklin. There are some options here.

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Byron Murphy, by the way,
who I do think. I think

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there's a real chance Byron Murphy's gone
before pick eighteen. I know it's weird

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here, but I'll throw that out
there now and put that into the universe.

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I don't think it's just jerse On
Newton. I think there's a chance

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that Byron Murphy's gone as well.
It's also early in the process, and

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Byron Murphy's probably I think he's expected
to go test like an absolute freak.

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Yeah, the combine, and then
you're gonna see, oh Man, Byron

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Murphy top fifteen. I think you're
gonna see a lot more of that after

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the combine if you tests the way
that I think he's expected to tell,

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because then people will see it and
people will see the RAS score in the

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Nines. I think that's what's expected
for him. Because as of now,

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I wouldn't trade up for Newton.
I would just take Byron Murphy. If

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you're thinking the defensive tackle, I
mean, if he's just going to be

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there potentially potentially an option. Tyler
Geiton, Senior Bowl tackle stand out.

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Also there Troy Fatanu, a guy
who a lot of people are projecting to

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kick inside in the NFL. But
also there if you wanted to go offensive

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line. Jordan Morgan from Arizona another
tackle if you're just interested in tackle,

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So a number of corners, a
number of tackles. We took him Maarius

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Men's last time he did this exercise. I think you said Jackson Powers Johnson's

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name. I did well. Yep. The problem with this pick and doing

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mocked off Monday in February is we
don't know what's going on with the Higgins.

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We don't know who they've signed him
free agency, sure, and that's

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where it's always a little bit more
difficult. But man tear on Arnold being

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there, I think he might be
the best corner in the class. There's

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some really good tape for Terry on
Arnold out there. I think that that

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would be tempting. We've talked Quinon
Mitchell, the corner from Toledo who Charles

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Burke's worked with at the Senior Bowl. No, he would be very interesting

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as well. Didn't even mention Layatu
Latu, who has some injury concerns for

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sure, But if there's an edge
player in this draft that you were gonna

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pick. That guy is the refined
productive, checks all the boxes except top

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top, top end athleticism. Still
a good athlete, but not the freak

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athlete. But I think that would
be somebody you'd have to consider there as

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well. But this isn't one where
there's a clear that guy fell, let's

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pick him. This is one where
you're talking about Arnold, Latu, Mitchell,

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probably Brian Thomas. You're probably considering
JPJ. You're certainly considering a Marius

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Men's and just going tackle. Maybe
you're even considering Troy Franklin. Troy Franklin

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if you just like him better than
Brian Thomas. This is where it's a

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very interesting set of players and where
I'm looking at this trade, I'm like,

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oh, yeah, trade back to
twenty two. I'm still going to

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get somebody I really like and in
real life probably would consider that strongly.

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But what's your lenk? Yeah?
Right now, I would say either Terry

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On Arnold or Byron Murphy. Those
would be the two that they stick out

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to me the most. I think
Murphy clearly the bigger need. We don't

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know about defensive tackle. It's kind
of a cheat code right now in PFF

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mock simulator to your point, because
he's just there. He's ranked thirtieth,

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so he's going to be there in
a lot of mocks. But that's that's

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where I'm at. If he's there, I don't think there's a standout offensive

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tackle right now we could have taken. We could take a Marius Mems Again,

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I go the other way this week. I lean Murphy and Terry On

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Arnold would be a close second.
But if either one of those eyes are

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there, I think that they would
be legit contenders for the eighteenth pick.

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And I think they're above just slightly
above a quent Yan Mitchell, slightly above

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Jackson Powers Johnson, above a Brian
Thomas, above Franklin. So those are

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the two for me and Eileen Murphy
just based on need. I'm happy to

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pick Murphy here. You look at
the PFF profile here. If you're watching

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on YouTube, you can see it. I'll just talk about some of these

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things for the people that are just
listening. The past Rush win rate nineteen

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point six percent is insane for an
interior defensive lineman. That's like pretty close

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to t J. Watts win rate
at the edge position last year. I

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think he was like a twenty three
percent past rush win rate guy last year.

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That's in the ninety ninth or higher
percentile as you can see four prospects

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for defensive interior prospects, but still
has a really high run stop win rate

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or run stop rate as well,
nine and a half percent run stop rate

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probably like ninetieth percentile plus judging where
the dot is there, really good pass

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rush grading, really good true pass
set, pass rush productivity. Doesn't necessarily

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have like loads of sacks, right
he only has six sacks charted by PFF

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in two thousand and three. But
you keep in mind that Texas is playing

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him in weird twenty twenty three.
You keep in mind that Texas is playing

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him in weird alignments. They're playing
him in nose quite a bit. Just

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compare that to Newton has a higher
pass rush win rate, a higher run

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stop rate, higher grading from PFF. Not that those are the be all,

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end all, but just something that's
interesting. And let's just make it

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back to back interior defensive lineman here
in the draft, and part of it

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is for the sake of doing something
different. Maybe Amarus Men's would just be

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the pick here. Maybe you just
think Terry on Arnold is that much higher

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ranked of a prospect based on your
film evaluations. Maybe you want to take

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the risk on law to and just
get a high end edge player. But

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let's go Byron Murphy will come back
in just a minute and get to the

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since nineteen ninety four, the Bengals
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first round. Since Dan Big Daddy
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grain with Byron Murphy and well Terry
On Arnold went to the Rams right afterwards,

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Lattu went to the Steelers, so
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Jackson Powers, Johnson, Brian Thomas, Junior Quinjon Mitchell all off the board

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of Marius Mims a few picks later, So all the guys that we were

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talking about go. Lad McConkie goes
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off the board at thirty three,
Troy Fatanu at thirty five, a Donni

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Mitchell at thirty six, Darius Robinson
at thirty nine. He's interesting. Keihan

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Coleman off the board at forty Chop
Robinson at forty five, devontees Walker at

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forty six. Chris Jenkins by the
way, so if you're thinking, oh,

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maybe Jenkins will be that at forty
nine, he goes off the board

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at forty seven. Christian Haynes,
the interior lemon from Connecticut that we've talked

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about at forty eight. So a
lot of guys that we've discussed at some

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point on this pod off the board. One guy that is on the board

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that we talked about late last week, Patrick Paul still available, So that's

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someone that's near the top of of
the PFF board right now. And Kingsley.

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Sue Mattea, which was the guy
Suma Matteia, which was one of

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the guys I was going to go
look for. And what's his name,

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Sua Matteia, you pronounced I don't
know, you pronounced the I is the

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tip from Parker. Parker Blake,
who was with us last week, pronounced

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all the vowels in Islander names.
Sue Matteia, Yeah, it'sa nope,

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Sue Matia, su Sue Sue Mattea. I gotta get it down before they

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pick him forty ninth overall. All
right, Kingsley, Hey Matea, Yeah,

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Sue Matteia, Yep. The crazy
part is I have Yosi Vash down

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in most of Cincinnati can't do it. So I'm gonna get Sue Matteia down

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by draft night. I got a
lot of things, a lot of syllables,

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salavels, sala levels. Uh played
right tackle. If you're watching on

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YouTube, you can see he played
six hundred and eighty seven right tackle snaps

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in twenty twenty two, six hundred
and forty four right left tackle snaps in

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twenty twenty three, so he's played
both sides. He was a transfer,

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But the upside with Sue Matilla Sua
Matteia is very, very high. And

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we talked about last week one of
the one of the Sewel relatives. So

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has that bloodline going as well,
Patrick Paul, I think maybe he's going

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to be the higher rated PFF prospect
probably throughout the process, might be seen

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as a higher floor player, but
never played right tackle. And I'm ignoring

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pretty much every other position here because
I think this is the latest you can

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get a tackle. And I don't
know that you will be able to get

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Sue Matilla here in real life.
But Tavion Sanders also available. Some wide

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receivers that I think would be interesting, Tremaine Burton from Alabama, Da limp

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Polk from Washington. I think JJ
McCarthy is still available. That's never gonna

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happen. Yeah, never anyways,
sorry, And Tovandre Sweatt continues to be

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available in the second round of these. So this is where if you're doing

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these and you're only doing the simulators, like I can get derevondreswent in the

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second round. Of course, I'm
taking a tackle in the first round.

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Yeah, would how tempting would you
be? And it depends on free agency

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just to keep Murphy and Sweat together. And just like if this did play

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out and and it's Sue Matilla,
Sue Matteia, right, Kingsley, It's

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Kingsley and Tandre No, you got
it right the second time, nailed it?

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Yeah, So would you still go
offensive tackle? Let let's say they

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signed Jermaine Ilumini, which which way
would you go here? I would still

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be very tempted by the upside with
Sue Mattia at the same time. I

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mean, we talked last week about
how much of that sweat, but I

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would take the offensive tackle sweat and
Murphy together. I'm drooling, but let's

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together. It would be fun.
Let's go, uh, Sue Mattea.

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Yeah, gotta say it with your
chest, Sue Mattea, just just because

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I think the fall off there just
I agree. We'll just look at tackle

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and maybe you can make an argument
for Patrick Paul here. But like Dominic

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Pooney from Kansas, I don't think
he's staying at tackle in the NFL.

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We talked about him with Mike last
week a little bit, and then there's

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huge gap. Christian Jones is probably
the next guy, and the serious reason

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that he would not be picked in
the second round, and chief among those

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is that he's like a twenty three
year old. Oh I'm not saying picking

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that, but that's it is like
the drop off and then you're talking about

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one guy. So no, let's
go Sue a Mateia and see what we

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have next. I think what we're
hoping for next, just just to look

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ahead a little bit here, as
I like to do, is Roman.

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One of these receivers. Roman see, that's not who I'm targeting. But

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I wouldn't be opposed, just not
the guy I'm singling out. Let's see

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who we got, all right,
So Kingsley, we officially take Sue Matteia.

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All right, Let's see what we're
gonna do here at pick eighty.

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Xavier let Guette off the board,
Jalen Polk off the board, Jatavian Sanders

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off the board, Patrick Paul,
Ricky Pursall. Look at that run on

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receivers. Four receivers in a tight
end in the next five pick. And

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this is I think somewhat realistic.
There's gonna be crazy runs on receiver in

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this draft. There is. It's
it's funny. Everyone says how deep it

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is, and it is. But
they're gonna go like, there's gonna be

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a lot of receivers taken, just
like the tackles are gonna go no doubt,

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gonna go quick. And there isn't
that depth of defensive tackle to wait

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super long either. They're gonna have
to address one of the positions in free

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agency. Brandon Fisk. Branden f
goes sixty sixth overall. IF's there at

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eighty, yeah, well, I
mean, if he's there at eighty,

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I'd be in on it. I
don't think you could take it much earlier

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than that. Roman Wilson off the
board. Did the Jets come on?

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And JJ McCarthy off the board of
the Broncos, that'd be crazy. And

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I gets picked Jarvis Bradley, one
of Mike's favorite performers at the Senior Bowl.

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He's going to be flying up Mark
mock drafts. That's the name of

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this noteworthy if you were listening last
week. Bernardo Green another guy that's flying

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up right now on the post All
Star Game process. And man Brandon Dorless

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one pick away from the Bengals pick
in the third round, which Jalen McMillan

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too, Washington receiver. It's gone
seems a little crazy that I don't know

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what I know. Yeah, I
know about your guy. You're not that

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guy. It's a different set of
guys, although that's one of them.

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But Brandon Dorlyss is a guy that
I would consider the second round for the

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Bengals. So talking about rare defensive
lineman or landing in this draft, that

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is very interesting. I'm in on
Trey Benson at eighty, by the way,

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so put him on as a potential
option here. I'm not too familiar

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with the running back said I want
to go look at, but he was

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familiar with your game. Oh you
will be big dog. Benson is a

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problem. I just go back to
when Mike Renner told us that there's like

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three running backs in this class that
he would have graded ahead of Chase Brown

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and Trey Benson is one of them. I'm sure. But but running back

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really just went on the back burner
after here. Yeah, I can't all

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on that, though. I think
that there's a very real possibility to after

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running back starting probably at this pick. I'm just saying I downloaded like eight

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games to watch last night, and
it's Ricky Piersoll, Brian Thomas, Adenin,

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Mitchell cade Stover, and Jatavian Sanders. None of those are running backs.

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Fair anyway, Leonard Taylor, speaking
of defensive interior in the third round,

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I think would be extremely interesting.
Let's look at wide receiver, because

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that's what I want to look at
right now. I don't know about you,

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Malachi Corley. I don't know that
you'll get him in the third round,

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but certainly interesting. Jamari Thrash is
actually the guy then I was very

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interested in seeing here Jon Baker the
other one. I'm going to buy you

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a Javon Baker jersey if he goes
to someone that isn't like an AFC North

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team or the Chiefs. No,
just get you one. I will be

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watching his career with great interest.
Still need to find his tape. Don't

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don't have access to any of his
tape yet. I've only been able to

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watch. I went Marcus for see
me Jack Saint because of his name,

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that's a great name. Molie Washington
is another guy that I think people will

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have to familiarize ourselves with just from
like crazy production profile had a crazy All

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Star game as well, but by
and a wide receiver that is very much

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not the Bengals type. No,
you got to be at least my height

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five nine the other name here that
I that's not their threshold. Just to

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be clear for everybody. Well,
it is at least that it's higher than

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that. But it is higher than
that. Luke McCaffrey. I don't think

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in the third round as a guy
considering, but another wide receiver to mention

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that I think will be higher than
he's currently situated in the semi in fourth

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round, you know if he's there
and you need one, you know,

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it could certainly be in the mix. Certainly like his pedigree. You take

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him Thrash. I'm not going to
say no to a receiver, man.

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I would have taken three receivers.
I like Jamury Thrash quite a bit.

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As you can see here on PFF. It seems to be some drop rate

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issue, seems to be some contested
catch issues. A red shirt junior had

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a great senior Bowl. I would
just look at tight end as well.

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I don't know a lot about Thrash. I'm not gonna lie to you,

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not yet. Kate ken Sover Benson
not will be the tight ends here.

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Theo Johnson another one that stand out. I think all three of those guys

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and jaheem Bell could all be in
this late third between the Bengals third and

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fourth round pick kind of range.
Honestly, I think we should go with

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your guy, though not Jamury Thrash. Let's do it because we haven't picked

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him right. We have picked Javon
Baker, and I think, like you,

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a lot of people are viewing him, starting to see him. I'm

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seeing him mention more and more.
There's a real chance he's not even available

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at pick eighty. I see people
in the simulators getting him in round four

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and five. Yeah, no,
that's not happening. I think eighty could

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be his floor, you know,
in that third range, the third round,

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day two is his floor. Maybe
not eighty, but eighty for the

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Bengals. So let's take him.
He's your guy, and you know me,

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I love wide receivers. Javon Baker. Let's roll with a baby,

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even though Trey Benson is in there. Trey Benson is in there for me,

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ladies and gentlemen. Absolute flair.
When I was talking to Mike Renner

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about Baker last week, he told
me second round is probably where the Bengals

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would need to pick Baker. And
this is a guy that great change the

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direction ability. I think he's a
good route runner, insame ball skills,

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ability to play above the ram,
plays bigger than his size just under six

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' one. The only thing missing
from his game is vertical speed acceleration.

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But then at the Senior Bowl he
was the fastest wide receiver. I believe

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at the Senior Bowl fifth fifth fastest
player by GPS. So if you can

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answer those speeding questions and go run
a nice forty Javon Baker as a future

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two I guess across from Jamar ch
Ace in that world. Barretie Higgins is

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not a future Cincinnati Bengal long term
would be my guy. And PFF is

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gonna kill this one. We're gonna
get like a C minus for that pick,

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D minus D for the Javon Baker
pick. If man, this is

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going in college? This is you
in college, man, D minus Wow,

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00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:40.719
never my life, never me,
neither me neither uh didn't love Anytia

486
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Sue a Mateia got a B It's
Sue a mattea. I'm getting it right.

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Byron Murphy C plus on Draft night, the Byron Murphy pick would be

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00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:57.199
an A minus from PFF. Kingsley
Sue Matilla will be probably another A minus,

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and I think Baker at eighty would
also be I think this is actually

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an A. So there you go. I would like it. I'll send

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it over to Mike Renner and and
get him to give us a quick don't

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great again, Mike, please create
our mock my thoughts. Oh, that's

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gonna do it for this episode of
the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Appreciate you listening.

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Let us know what you think of
this mockdraft in the comments if you're

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