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It's time for Coffee and Company,
fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine

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day. Holy crap, I don't
know who the hell we think we are.

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Get off our show, idiot.
The kids are playing or turn off.

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The countries are screwing it up.
Gold Play Inner Murals, Brother,

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gold Play Inner Murals. They're supposed
to be mature adults, but they're really

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not. Who's the kid here?
Who's the kid here? Are you kidding

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me? Now? Here's Nick Coffee? All right, everybody, let's get

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it started. Welcome in Happy Thursday. It is Coffee and Company. That's

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the name of the show, this
radio program. That's what they call it.

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Some of you call it nonsense,
and I kind of like that better

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because we just have some fun.
We mix it up. This job that

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I do love. It's a dream
to be able to do this every day.

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And also there's a there's an element
to it, John that makes it

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fun because it kind of feels like
I don't really have to have a job,

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you know what I mean? Yeah, I think sometimes when it's the

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only thing, at least for me
that I've been a part of professionally,

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it does like it makes me wonder
what I would be doing if I wasn't

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doing this specifically, because it doesn't
feel like a job. Yeah, I

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mean it is. We work,
and we work hard, and we you

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know, take it serious as far
as you know, making sure we put

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our best effort forward every single day. But really, it doesn't feel like

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a job. You know. I
shouldn't say that because then they're like,

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well, okay, well he'll do
it for free. We just that's the

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caveat that comes. Yeah, oh, no doubt about it. But yeah,

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I'm excited, eager, ready to
get this thing started. Here on

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a on a Thursday afternoon. It's
hot outside, but it's okay. The

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vibes are strong. This place is
packed right now. I don't know if

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you got here around the same time
I did, but did you see how

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full the iHeart Headquarters. I hurt
louill Headquarters. I should say, I

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think the iHeart Headquarters of like the
corporation in Texas. Yeah, San Antonio,

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but I hurt Louisville. Here at
four Street line I've in downtown is

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popping Yeah, the conference rooms are
popping off. I mean, we must

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got some good stuff cooking up.
Absolutely. I do feel a little bad

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though, because I walked in here
about two thirty and there were two young

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ladies in here who I'm not sure
if they and this is what sucks.

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I'll just say this. I love
iHeart. I'm a company man, John,

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he is literally the company man.
This isn't really like I mean,

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I guess it is a complaint.
I was going to try to dress it

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up and like say something without it
sounding as if I'm making a complaint,

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but I don't think there's any way
around it. It's a complaint. I

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don't know a lot of people who
work here. There have been many people

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that have been hired that I've probably
emailed back and forth with that maybe I've

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heard their name. But because a
lot of people work remote, I don't

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like I don't know them, I
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that unusual when it comes to like
the corporate structure of companies. Now that's

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just life, that's you know,
things evolve. But there were two young

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ladies in here, and I can
say young. When I started here in

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twenty sixteen, I was the youngest
employee in the building, not this building,

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the other building. Honestly, by
by probably a pretty wide margin.

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I would say at that time,
the youngest person was one of the sales

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guys who was a little bit older
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professionals that were here, these young
ladies, I'm not again, I don't

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know, I don't know their names
and what they do, but they're not

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usually here, but they were in
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I'm that's what this is, right, Studio B. It is so you

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know, I walk in and you
know, they's like, oh, do

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you need this room? And I
said, uh yeah, my show starts

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here around three and this is usually
where I get ready. And they were

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like, oh, I'm so sorry, you know, like I we didn't

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know. And I'm like, oh, it's fine, like you know,

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I'm just this. I'm just gonna
get set up. And I said,

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I'm actually gonna run and grab something
to drink so you don't have to rush

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out of here. But they grabbed
their stuff and just ran as if like

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I was kicking them out, and
I think they felt bad. And I

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was trying to say, like,
look, it's not that big of a

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deal because where we are, like
the way this is set up, there's

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no offices here, like we have
a pretty big amount of space I feel

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like for the people that we have, but there's no offices. There's some

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conference rooms, there's uh, I
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I mean they're cubicles, right,
I mean or just desks. I don't

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know, yeah, because they don't
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that you typically see. But when
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of the things that helped me figure
out who each person was that I worked

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with was they had a certain spot, Like I know that you know Evan

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and sales he sits right there.
I know are one of our sales manager.

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That's Buddy Peterson's office right there.
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everybody's wherever they can get, and
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make it more of like, hey, we're all collectively together. Nobody's got

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an assigned spot. You just set
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make this company great, which I
like the idea, but I don't.

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I don't know a lot of people, and usually a normal human would would

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say, hey, I'm Nick,
nice to meet you, But then again,

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like that's an awkward situation because then
they'd be like we've talked six times

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on the phone and an email and
you don't know who I am. And

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I'm like, well, never,
I've never seen you, you know what

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I mean? Like it? I
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to be talking to someone who is
well aware that you know they they believe

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that you know exactly who they are, and you don't you know what I

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mean like that. That's happened for
me from time to time, and it's

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uncomfortable and it's awkward now in the
same way, like I don't interact with

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a lot of people here, I
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than I did maybe four or five
months ago, and that's mainly because of

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the shows we did at Martin's Barbecue. It was kind of forced us to

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ingle for a little bit. Yeah, but until then, I only knew

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who, you know, the hosts
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and that was about the extendon that
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yeah, and it's you know,
for me, it's a little bit different

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because there are people who have sold
the show to a client rather it be

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a remote, an endorsement, or
at least just you know, we had

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meetings about it, and it's all
been you know, phone and text and

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email, and some of these people
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which again that's I guess that's not
an issue, but like whenever, you

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know, I just think it would
be really rude for some for me to

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you know, approach someone, Hey, I'm Nick, nice to meet you,

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how are you, and they're like, we've talked eighty times. But

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maybe they know the same thing,
right, and you know, we do

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radio. It's not a visual thing, but you know, maybe they don't

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know who I am, you know
what I mean. Maybe it's the same

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thing. Maybe we'd be sitting here
talking and not realizing that we've had you

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know, many calls together and we've
we've actually worked together. But you know,

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today there's a lot it just I
don't know what it is. There's

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something about a lot of people being
here just it makes me feel better about

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everything. There's a lot of folks
that work from home, not only here

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within this company but everywhere, and
I'm sure those people are really productive.

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But yeah, I feel good today
as we get this thing started because there's

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a lot of folks here and it
has nothing to do with me in this

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show, but it's just it's good. It enhances the vibes, and that's

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what I'm all about. Although I
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a sick joke on me here.
Oh really, now we are loaded with

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snacks right now. I mean the
fridge, I mean just completely full with

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anything you want, water, sprite, diet coke, regular coke, maybe

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some root beer. I mean they
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fruit, snacks, everything. I
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for snacks, which everybody loves snacks. But you know, we don't have

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cheese its. We went from having
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are gone and I was looking for
some cheese it's earlier. Yeah, I

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mean this is some kind of a
sick joke, it is, that's what

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they're doing there. I mean nobody
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bag of cheese. It's other than
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we get loaded up every week and
it's like a kid in school when you

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get like a snack, you know, like a recess or something, and

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and you know it's like a vending
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Yeah, and we got good stuff
too, like it's not. I mean,

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it's it's not just you know,
it's not. I mean, it's

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better than stuff you'd get in a
vending machine, I think, and for

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one reason, you know, it
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people love to indulge on some good
snacks, and usually there's only like six

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bags that cheese It left by the
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week. And you know, that's
what led me to say, Okay,

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let's do it. I want some
cheese its and cheese It's again underrated,

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a good they're they're they're known,
they've been around a long time. But

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I feel like if you're going to
a store to get chips, you're not

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going for cheese its. You're probably
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some Lais or maybe you know,
some hot fries. But after I was

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only Jesus were the only thing available. That's what I That's what I got,

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And it became a normal thing for
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Cheetos throughout the week and all week
none And I don't think that's a coincidence,

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or maybe just maybe because they were
usually the last last one left,

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they just assumed we don't need to
get him anymore. And if that's if

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that's miss Joy that made that decision, I'm gonna have to have a talk

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with her because I was. I
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of the week cheeses were gone,
and they were and I was inhaling them.

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You should put a sign outside of
studio being you say, drop off

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all let lead over cheese. It's
at this door, yep. Leave the

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other bags of chips, you know, in our kitchen area. You can

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just drop the she's here because nobody
else is eating them, and I was,

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and now they're gone and it makes
me sad. All right, let's

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dive in, shall we? Coffee
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fueled by Thornton's here on Sports Talk
seven ninety Nick Coffee the company man,

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John Alden taking you up until six
o'clock, So hang out, make yourself

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at home. We are gonna have
a guest this week, which I feel

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like is the first time we've had
a guest in a long time. But

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it's going to be our man,
our college football correspondent, our college football

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insider. It is mister Zach Barnett
of Football Scoop. He'll join us at

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four h five today. I want
to get his thoughts on a variety of

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things, but I may not even
ask him about what is I think currently

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one of the most talked about things
in college football, and that is this

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nonsense that's out there about the Big
Twelve adding Clemson in Florida State. I've

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always sort of been a nerd for
conferencery alignment stuff because I just think it's

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fascinating because for a long time,
you didn't have any of it, at

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least, you know, not that
I could. You know, it went

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from when Louisville got into the Big
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it like, two thousand and five, two thousand and six, I think

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was their first year in the Big
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a whole lot going on as far
as the higher levels, and then it

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really started rolling. You had a
game of musical chairs going on, and

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that just fascinated me. Right to
see teams like Nebraska go from the Big

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Twelve to the Big Ten, and
to see the sec AD Missouri in Texas,

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A and m it just, you
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really locked, when I was young
and I really started to just be obsessed

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with college sports and understand conference affiliation
that kind of stuff. It was kind

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of you know, I just never
thought of anybody leaving, and then,

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of course, obviously things have changed
a lot since then. So I think

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conference re alignment for reasons I don't
really know, is the one I guess

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topic, if you will, talking
point among college sports fans that you can

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know that where you getting your information
is nonsense. You can have a good

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you could spot a troll who's just
trying to, you know, mess with

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people about some fake story, but
people run with that more than they run

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with anything. Right. There's all
kinds of you know, incorrect reporting,

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fake news as of course, a
lot of people call it like that happens

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all the time, and people can
usually sniff it out and just not even

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give it much thought after reading headline
and then using their brain and realizing that's

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nonsense. You could do the same
thing with some of the conference re alignment

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stuff that's happened over the years,
but the people don't. They just run

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with it. And I don't know
if it's because it's such a secret thing

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and it's deeply behind the scenes.
Right, we're talking conference commissioners athletic directors,

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presidents of schools, that kind of
stuff, to where like there's I

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wouldn't even call it such a level
of secrecy. It's just there's so many

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people involved in that that like aren't
in the public. But it went from

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fascinating me to now just annoying me. So it all started after the Big

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Twelve, at the Big Twelve media
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going on right now? I feel
like they've been going on the last couple

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of days. Maybe it concluded yesterday, I'm not really sure, but the

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talk of the Big twelve expansion really
kind of became a story. And you

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know, Ross Dellinger, who we've
had on this show, who I think

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is phenomenal when it comes to college
football reporting. He's now working for Yahoo,

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used to work for Sports Illustrated.
I believe Ross is great, and

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I kind of feel like he's been
he's been lumped into this fake stuff and

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it's unfair to him and I'm not
going to come to his defense just I

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don't know, maybe he doesn't feel
that way, but when I saw yesterday

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evening that you know, he was
he was included within this report of the

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Big Twelve eyeing and potentially adding Florida
State and Clemson and even Notre Dame was

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thrown in there by one of the
reports. When I saw Dellinger's name attached

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to it, I thought, Okay, then maybe there is something here.

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But then I thought, how,
like, how that doesn't make it's not

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possible. Like people talk about Florida
State and Clemson going to the SEC or

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the Big Ten, and I guess
now the Big twelve, But nobody seems

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to even consider the fact that for
that to happen, the amount of money.

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I mean, do people not realize
that it would cost five hundred and

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seventy two million dollars for one of
these schools to break the Grain of Rights

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deal? Do you know what that
means? Nobody's going anywhere, nobody's paying.

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I mean, that's not that's not
realistic, Like it's it's any talk

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of any talk of realignment that includes
ACC schools leaving is nonsense. Now,

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the future of the league and the
fight to break the Grain of Rights,

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that's a legitimate story. There's not
been a whole lot of updates to it,

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and in fact, the Grain of
Rights themselves that's another lawsuit that's currently

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going on, nobody's ever even seen
it. Like this sounds like something that's

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made up, and it sounds like
an exaggeration to kind of really emphasize how

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ridiculous this document is. But nobody
has access to it. You have to

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actually request to view it in person, and you can't take it with you.

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There's no pdf that's being sent around
the league like it's a super private

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deal. That nope. And again
there's lawsuits going on to make these things

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public, and I think that's still
ongoing. But any talk that you hear

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of any ACC school leaving the conference
like it's in the works, I guess

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I shouldn't say it's nonsense because maybe
the Big twelve, the SEC, and

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the Big ten could say, hey, if you ever can foot the bill,

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we love to have you. But
like that, that's not happening.

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So I went from just really consuming
all of it knowing that it was probably

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all exaggerated, made up, or
just a troll. But now I'm just

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like, what are people doing?
And I do feel bad form my man

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Ross Dellinger, because again, here
I'll read for you. This is a

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Big twelve website that I feel like
is one of the bigger and more known

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websites that covers the Big Twelve.
Specifically, it's called Heartland College Sports,

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and their story says this the Big
Twelve is in early conversations about expansion with

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Clemson in Florida State. Initial report
from Ross Dellinger, that's not what happened,

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Like, that's not true. Ross
Dellinger was asked sort of like,

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hey, you know, it was
more of a hypothetical, like if in

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fact they could get out of the
Grand of Rights, Like what would be

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more attractive than would they want to
come into the Big twelve and probably already

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beat top dogs or would they want
to essentially join two other leagues to where

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it would be a little bit more
competitive. I mean quite clearly in the

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SEC, if those two schools were
there, they'd still have success here and

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there, and they may be great, but like it's a different world.

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Big Ten. I don't know.
I mean, the Big Ten's clearly a

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good conference, but you know,
I mean you just have you have less

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to really, you know, the
Big Ten has a weaker bottom, if

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that makes sense, whereas in the
SEC at times, you know, you

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can have seventy percent of the league
teams that don't you know, any given

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Saturday, they might mess around and
beat the number one team in the country.

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So you know, that's really what
And it will play the clip for

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you guys a little bit later on
because he did a Ross did a sit

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down interview with a guy named John
Kurtz, who I don't know specifically,

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but he's somebody who is. In
fact, if you go to his YouTube

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page, he's got twenty thousand subscribers
on YouTube, so shout out to him.

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He's clearly got a big following.
But the banner at the top of

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his YouTube says this conference realignment,
college football, college hoops, So like,

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this is a guy who knows the
engagement he's going to get when he

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talks about realignment, because it's that's
what this it's since the beginning of realignment

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sort of being a thing on the
Internet that people just consume like it's always

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getting traction, like it always moves
the needle. And there's clearly been a

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whole lot of realignment in the last
fifteen years. I mean again, just

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think of some of the school like
think it's just happening now, but the

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USC and UCLA are going to be
in the Big ten, Like that's insane,

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is it? Not. And there's
even more crazy examples to throw out

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there as far as how it's just
crazy. But a lot of them are

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schools that don't matter, right,
Like the Rutgers in the Big Ten is

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just stupid, but like it's not
thought about often because who thinks about Rutgers,

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right, But like now you've got
Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC,

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which just sounds crazy. So yes, there's been a lot of movement,

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but I would be willing to bet
that eighty percent of stories, reports,

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leaks, whatever you want to call
it on the internet, especially Twitter and

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message boards, in the last fifteen
years, eighty percent of them have been

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nonsense and not true at all.
But you know what it gets. I

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mean, there's a lot of traffic, which I guess can still produce revenue

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for people who are running websites and
that kind of stuff, but I mean,

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I wish it was I mean,
like again, I hear people who

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I like, some people I know, and they discuss this and they just

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completely ignore the fact that they can't
go anywhere. Nobody in the ACC can

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go anywhere. It would cost you
five hundred and seventy two million dollars to

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break the grain of rights. Who's
doing that? And these schools have a

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lot of money, right, Like
you know, a couple million is nothing

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to a lot that we're talking over
half of a billion dollars just to leave

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your conference. It's not happening,
And from what I can tell, there's

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really been no ground gained by the
schools suing. So, as I've said,

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many times, why not say it
once more? The one thing that

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looks as if it's going to be
the nail in the coffin for this league

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is also the one thing that's keeping
it together. That the gran of Rights

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appears to be ironclad and it's in
place till twenty thirty four. That's ten

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years from now, folks. I'll
be forty six years old, which is

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insane to say, but that's how
I mean. How old are you,

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John, twenty six, you'll be
thirty six? My age, it's crazy.

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Yeah. Like my son, he
just turned four, he'll be fourteen,

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he'll be playing. He'd be in
high school when the grand of Rights

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runs out. I mean ten years. I feel like, no matter what

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age you use, sounds like an
exact, like a big gap, right,

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Like my daughter's eight, she'll be
an adult, she'll be a grown

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up. Like, if there was
ever any legitimate, like you know,

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loophole that was found, there's some
kind of a a way out. I

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think they would have found it by
now. So again, realinment's fun at

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times, but like I maybe it's
just me getting older, but like this

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is just stupid because it's not it's
not happening. And yes, there is

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the scenario where the ACC could bargain
and like give him a reduced buyout,

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but let's just say they knocked off
one hundred and seventy two million, we're

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gonna give you a hundreds seventy two
million dollar discount, you still got to

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pay four hundred million dollars. Like, it's just insane. So the ACC

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is stuck together, and that is
a good thing, but a bad thing,

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right because once you had the clear
division, and I can respect Clemson

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in Florida state for at least not
just just you know, being transparent.

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They don't like the fact that they're
gonna get left behind from a revenue standpoint,

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and this whole kumba y'all, we're
all in this together was a lie.

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So at least they're being they're being
upfront about it. But anything you

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see about the Big twelve, adding
because again I would love I've mentioned it

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for a long time. I kind
of got a crush on the Big twelve,

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Like I think it's cool it.
You know, it's catching my eye,

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Like, you know, I like
the Big twelve. I kind of

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feel like they're heading in the right
direction. I think Loil could be a

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good fit there, but like that's
not possible. They're not going. They

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can't get out. And by the
way, another good point on the text

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line coming in here. I mean, five hundred and seventy two million dollars

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is an insane amount of money.
I feel like on any level of any

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no matter how rich you are,
if you're a billionaire, five hundred and

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seventy million dollars is not chump changed
to in any and I think, in

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any avenue of life. But now
you've got schools that are going to be

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on the hook for twenty two million
annually to pay student athletes the ACC unless

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they just decide to, you know, disband and just close up shop and

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let these schools go wherever these guys
are stuck together. All right, we

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got a lot more to get into
the rest of the way here. I

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don't have any strong thoughts on it, But I do see a lot of

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folks pitching about the Kentucky basketball non
conference schedule, which I mean, it

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looks like their schedule is looked for
years now. Like this is no different

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than any schedule that Cows put together. So like, I don't know why

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people are expecting it to be any
different under Mark Pope, because Mark Pope

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is not I mean, Mark Pope
really inherited this guy actual, To be

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honest with you, Also, a
new I guess component if you will,

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an nc DOUAA selection process for the
inn Civil, a tournament that I think

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is awesome. I want to talk
about that. It's I'm not going to

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nerd out on numbers, but they
they went a route. They went a

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different route than I would have ever
expected as far as how they're going to

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get a better feel for who legitimately
belongs in the tournament when it comes to

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bubble teams. So we've got that, We've got we got a lot to

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get into. So stick around.
I'll get our quick get to our first

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break here so we can manage the
clock. And hope you stick around.

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I mean, why would you not? What else are you gonna do?

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Imagine not sticking around for the rest
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Company. We're fueled by Thornton's right
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So far, so good for my
my, uh, you know, my

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attempt to really get into the Olympics
this year. When it comes to the

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men's basketball team, Team USA,
they played last night in Vegas against Canada

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and did not play really well.
I mean can tell these are guys that

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you know, the best players on
the planet, but they've not played together

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very often, right, I mean
it's still kind of new, but yet

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a Canaida roster that has a lot
of talent on it, they still got

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demolished by a Team USA in a
game where again I watched about eighty percent

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of that game, and you know, clearly you're seeing again the best players

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on the planet doing what they do. But as far as you know them

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looking like they're gelling and you know, establishing some rhythm and whatnot, like

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that's still a work in progress.
But to be honest, they could probably

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still play the way they played last
night and and hopefully win the goal.

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But they'll get better. And you
know, just seeing it was something I'm

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trying, like I'm trying to,
as I talk about yesterday, I'm trying

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to really, you know, live
in the moment and realize that we have

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I think one of the best rosters
we've ever had for an Olympics with basketball

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that I can remember. So And
by the way, it was also really

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cool to hear to legendary broadcasters on
the call that you rarely ever hear.

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In fact, I don't think I
can never remember hearing them on the NBA,

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which was Gus Johnson and Bill Raffree, which by it wasn't it wasn't

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the NBA, But you know what
I mean, watching NBA players with those

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two guys calling it good stuff?
All right, it's coffee and company speaking

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I want to get his thoughts a
little bit on the realignment nonsense.

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And I don't want to do it
because I feel like I'm being a hypocrite

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here, but I will because the
Big twelve media day was yesterday and the

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day before and I don't think it's
going on currently, but I really don't

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know. But either way, like
Dion Sanders saying things that he says his

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son should or Sanders, I mean
like at some point the fatigue has got

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to kick in for everybody else,
right, Like nobody can be shocked or

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surprised when Prime and his sons,
and I guess really just anybody affiliated with

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the Colorado program say things that like
most wouldn't say, but they like if

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you are Georgia or you are Michigan
or just won the national championship. I

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mean, there are some teams who
can show up to a media day for

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the conference and say things like we
are everybody's super Bowl, and it may

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sound cocky, but like you know, there's like legitimacy to what they're saying,

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because beating them would be a big
deal. But Colorado's saying it,

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well should or Sanders saying it that
we know where everybody's super Bowl? Like

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again, when does when does the
shock value run off for everybody else?

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Like that's it's not true, And
I mean even if it is, it's

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because people want to embarrass you because
of your delusional sense of worth, if

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that makes sense. I mean,
I think somebody said it best on Twitter,

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shout out to Colorado for gifting eight
teams of super Bowl victory last year.

407
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I mean, they were terrible and
they're probably going to be bad again

408
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:29.640
this year. And it's just wild
to me that Deion Sanders, I believe,

409
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is the only coach that could continue
to say what he says, act

410
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the way he acts. And I'm
not saying he's doing anything criminal. I

411
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mean, if anything, he's consistent, like Dion is being Dion the same

412
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guy he was when he was a
player, Like he's very confident. I

413
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.559
would call it cocky arrogant, but
as a player, he had some legitimate

414
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.680
reasons to be that way, right, he was flashy and he was damn

415
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:53.160
good guy was playing two professional sports
at the same time. But as a

416
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coach, you won four games,
man, and I mean, you weren't

417
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:04.200
good and this year, you know, I would at least have some level

418
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of humility to where like, hey, we're going to prove people wrong.

419
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.599
We were picked to finish near last
in our conference. We look forward to

420
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.359
going out and show it. Like
they're they're talking is if they're coming off

421
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of an appearance in the playoff,
and it just I don't know why it

422
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.440
annoys me. I feel like things
will begin to sour pretty quickly if they

423
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:27.480
don't take a few steps forward this
year. Maybe I'm maybe I'm naive about

424
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.240
it. I think you're right,
But what I think is always going to

425
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:36.640
be the case is if they take
a step forward or if they take six

426
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:40.200
steps backwards, whatever's going on with
him is always going to be a talking

427
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:41.880
point. And that's what bothers me. And it shouldn't bother me because I

428
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.880
knew. I mean, I've been
saying that for over a year before d

429
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uncoached a game. He was going
to bring eyeballs and attention regardless, and

430
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that's I guess that's just something I
should accept. But I mean again they

431
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.960
want they won four games last year, and I don't think they're going to

432
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be that much better this year.
I mean, I guess they don't have

433
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to play Texas and in Oklahoma those
teams are leaving, but like they were

434
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:08.119
terrible. And Dion, by the
way, like not only did he coaches

435
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.440
get a passing year one right,
and he gets a pass to an extent

436
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.880
even for me, not that he
cares, but he did. You know,

437
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.200
put it was a brand new team. He used the portal and like

438
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:21.119
they had more transfers than anybody,
so like to an extent, like it

439
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.720
was the honeymoon right first year.
But like even throughout that, like he

440
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:30.440
showed in my opinion, his inability
to be a top tier coach in college

441
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:36.359
football at a Power five school.
I mean, he took away the play

442
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:41.319
calling duties from a head coach who
left Kent State as a head coach to

443
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:44.680
go call plays and be the OC
for him. The offense was doing well,

444
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.000
they were scoring, They've got talent
on offense. Their defense was dreadful.

445
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.640
But because he didn't like the way
plays were being called for his son

446
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:57.559
at quarterback, he pulled play calling
duty from from the guy's name who I

447
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.519
don't remember now, but he he's
left Colorado. Night's the head coach of

448
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.359
San Diego State. Like, your
offense was good, your defense sucked,

449
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:10.440
and yet you're worried about your son
and how he like you're doing daddy ball,

450
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:11.880
Like that's some Friday night light stuff
for you. I mean, like,

451
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:17.759
I think this is going to end
very, very poorly. And people

452
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.079
can say, oh, you're just
a hater, you're mad because Prime's different.

453
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.799
No, Prom's been Prime forever and
to his credit, he's a he's

454
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.559
he's always going to have people talking
about what he's doing when he's involved in

455
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:33.880
football because that's just what he does
and it's a gift. Not many people

456
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.960
can do that, right, But
like I I just somebody show me what

457
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:42.799
what makes you think that he's going
to like have an insane level of success?

458
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.680
And you can bring up Jackson State
and that's fine, they were good

459
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.359
there, right, But you know
what, that was quite literally an example

460
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:56.119
of Deon Sanders being Deon Sanders having
the you know, the notoriety that he

461
00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:03.079
does, the ability to sell.
He brought players to play at Jackson State

462
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.359
that could have been starters for some
of the best teams in the country.

463
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:10.200
Now, his roster wasn't loaded that
way, but I think at Jackson State

464
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:14.400
credit for the success. But I'm
of the belief that the biggest factor in

465
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:18.519
why he won there is because he
got dudes to bypass Power five Top twenty

466
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.720
programs to go play FCS football for
an HBCU, which by the way,

467
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.480
is a credit to him. But
I don't think it was because he was

468
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:29.599
scheming up some great x's and o's. He had dudes that should never be

469
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:34.400
playing at that level. So you
know, we'll see. But I mean,

470
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:41.200
if I was like a coach in
the Big Twelve and I was constantly

471
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.000
asked by everybody there over the last
two days about Colorado and Deon Sanders,

472
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.680
there's a level of it that is
expected because they're joining the Big Twelve again

473
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.839
like they're new to the league.
But other than that, like I mean,

474
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:57.079
who said it best last year?
Was it Dan Lanning? Whenever Colorado?

475
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.519
When it was clear that Colorado was
leaving Dan Lanning. This is what

476
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:07.640
Dan Lanning said on his reaction to
Colorado leaving the conference. Not a big

477
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.519
reaction. I mean, I'm trying
to remember with what they won to affect

478
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.440
this conference. I don't remember do
you remember them winning anything? I don't

479
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:23.079
remember them winning anything. That a
great I mean again, that's that.

480
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.960
I think he's clearly doing that to
poke fun. But it's true, and

481
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:33.440
nobody says it like Colorado sucked before
Dion and they were bad last year and

482
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.839
they got more sizzled, they get
more attention. But that's a coach being

483
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.240
asked about Colorado leaving the league and
giving He's giving you a direct, honest

484
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.359
answer that a lot of coaches would
feel like, well, you know,

485
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.200
I just worry. I just worry
about my team. I worry about us

486
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.920
getting better every day in practice.
That's Dan Lanning being like, not a

487
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.039
big reaction. I mean they hammered
Colorad. I mean this is a body

488
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.519
bag, not a big reaction.
I mean, I'm trying to remember with

489
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:02.640
what they want to affect this ofference. I don't remember you remember them winning

490
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:08.839
anything. I don't remember them winning
anything. That's the end of it.

491
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:13.279
Is the best good to And then
how about this when they played Colorado rooted

492
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:17.960
in substance, not Flash rooted in
substance. Today we talk with our pats.

493
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:24.079
You're talking your helmet right every moment
the Cinderella story is over. Man.

494
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.000
Right, they're fighting for clicks,
We're fighting for wins. There's a

495
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.599
difference, right, there's a difference. Right. This game ain't gonna be

496
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.319
playing in Hollywood. It's gonna be
played on the grass. Right, It's

497
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:43.079
gonna be played on the grass.
Let's go Bargs. That's like the best

498
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.599
thing ever. I want to go
play for Dan Landing right now? Where

499
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:51.400
do you think he put me?
Special teams? Just run around and hide,

500
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:53.920
just drill the kicker. Yeah,
I don't know if I mean,

501
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:57.240
I mean, if they asked me
to do it, I would try,

502
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.240
but I'm not sure i'd be up
with the job. I'm not sure me

503
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.720
drilling anybody would do much of an
impact on a football field. It always

504
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:07.559
reminds me when I had Mike Bush
on the show years ago. I think

505
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.000
it was like twenty sixteen, twenty
seventeen out at might have been one of

506
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:14.319
Bobby Petrino's golf scrambles or something.
We did the show out there, and

507
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.920
I asked Mike Bush, if you
know, if I played football, you

508
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:21.119
know, where do you where would
you put me? And he told me

509
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:22.680
that I could be the guy that
runs out and picks up the tee after

510
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:30.000
kickoff, and I felt very much
owned, but also I couldn't really deny

511
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.519
that. I mean, it probably
would be the best role for me on

512
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:37.319
a football field, But you can
also be a baseball umpire. I know

513
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.720
you've done that before, right,
Yeah, yeah, I called it second

514
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:45.400
plate instead of second base. So
you know, well, all right,

515
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.599
let's get to our next break.
We'll come back on the other side.

516
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.400
Keep this thing rolling along. What
I do want to get to before we

517
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:54.000
bring in mister Zach Barnett. A
football scoop is the Field of sixty eight

518
00:33:54.039 --> 00:34:00.799
crew put together who they believe would
be representing Team USA in the Olympics for

519
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:07.079
basketball if it was only college basketball
players from the upcoming season, which I

520
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.800
feel like a couple of noticeable observations
from their list. We'll talk about it

521
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:16.480
next right here on Sports Talk seven
ninety. So the Field of sixty eight

522
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:22.039
they cover college basketball. Jeff Goodman, robbed Auster that crew, and they've

523
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.280
really really expanded their coverage each and
every year, and I feel like it's

524
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:31.599
safe to say they're they're probably,
I think collectively the leading outlet for college

525
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:37.199
basketball now nationally. Would I mean, wouldn't you say John, that's fair

526
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.000
because John Rothsky, I know,
he's associated with CBS Sports. He's kind

527
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:44.280
of like the figurehead, yeah for
college basketball, but he doesn't really have

528
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.280
his own show and stuff. Yeah, like his con his content is just

529
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.920
social media. Yes, I mean, he does have a website where he

530
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.360
updates some things, but he's not
cranking out stuff. He doesn't do.

531
00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:00.360
You know, he really doesn't have
his own platform. He's on CBS Sports

532
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:01.440
Network every now and then, and
he's great, by the way. But

533
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.400
you know, I'm just giving shout
out to these guys because you know,

534
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:10.039
I didn't know college basketball is a
niche thing compared to the NFL, college

535
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:14.360
football and even the NBA. But
they, I mean, they exclusively cover

536
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.440
college hoops and they do a good
job at it. So they put together

537
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.679
their College Team USA for the upcoming
season, meeting players who are currently going

538
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:29.519
to be playing college basketball. And
more than anything, I wanted to bring

539
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:36.159
this up because I think it's a
sign that because of the portal and because

540
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:42.079
guys can stick around in college and
make money and not bail. It's just

541
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.239
different, right, The best players
in college basketball every year that are going

542
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:51.360
to be talked about a lot within
college basketball. I mean, a lot

543
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.880
of these guys aren't NBA players,
And I don't know, maybe I'm just

544
00:35:53.920 --> 00:36:00.519
maybe I'm just remembering it differently than
it really was. But I feel like

545
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.079
when you used to bring up the
best players in college basketball for an upcoming

546
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.880
season, it was guys who you
felt for sure were going to be NBA

547
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:13.159
players, And now it's just not
because again, you can stick around in

548
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.000
college play four or five years now, make a lot of money and just

549
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:21.559
still not look like a guy that
really translates to the next level. Now,

550
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:27.400
for example, the starting five according
to these guys, Ryan Kulkbrenner from

551
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.199
Creighton, big man who was really
good for Creighton, and you know,

552
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:35.679
maybe he'll get drafted. But that's
somebody that I mean, again, this

553
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.880
last draft was as weak as can
be. If you didn't get the feedback

554
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.079
and you didn't feel good about your
draft stock, I mean, I don't

555
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.679
know how you could say that you're
going to have a much because you could

556
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:51.440
be you could be better after another
year, right, But maybe that means

557
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.440
your status will actually be even weaker, because maybe next year's draft's going to

558
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:58.519
be a lot stronger. So you
know, he's a good player, but

559
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:00.679
I don't know if he's going to
play in the NBA. Cooper Flag.

560
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.039
That guy's gonna be the first pick
in the NBA draft, Like that's that's

561
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.800
a known thing. So he's he's
the exception here, at least in the

562
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.960
starting five. Alex Caravan, the
big man for Yukon. I mean,

563
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.960
he's clearly a good player, you
know, at the college level. I

564
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.679
mean him coming back was a big
deal. He averaged thirteen and five last

565
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.920
year, six' eight, big
guy. But again, if he didn't

566
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.559
have good enough draft statut a draft
stock to go last year, I mean,

567
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.119
you know, does people think he's
gonna go next year? I don't

568
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.280
know. He's he's a stretch,
a stretch meaning like he's a guy they

569
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.000
put in the post. But he
can also shoot a little bit, so

570
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.519
maybe he'd maybe he does translate.
And to be fair, he is somebody

571
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:45.119
that I remember when he did come
back. It might have been Goodman who

572
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.039
said that's the one guy that like
there shouldn't have been really a decision like

573
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.599
he's he would have been drafted pretty
pretty you know, first round for sure.

574
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.519
So maybe he's also an exception.
For a guy that just said,

575
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:58.960
hey, you know what, I've
just won two straight national championships. Let's

576
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.440
see if I can win three.
And then the other two are guards.

577
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:06.880
And again, these are two guys
that wanted to leave but realized I probably

578
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.360
won't get drafted. And that's Mark
Sears for Alabama because some of you guys

579
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:15.960
may not even know he's a good
guard. He played at Ohio, not

580
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.599
Ohio State, but Ohio the Bobcats
for a couple of years, then transferred

581
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.719
to Obama and has been really good
for Natoates. And then John L.

582
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:29.719
Davis FIU transfer who transferre to play
for Cali period at Arkansas this upcoming season.

583
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:34.320
And you know, he's somebody that
again wanted to go pro. I

584
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.599
mean, he was one of the
last guys to make the decision to end

585
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:39.719
up, you know, transferring to
Arkansas because you know, he was going

586
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:44.079
through the process and didn't have I
mean, he was not believed to be

587
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:49.639
a guy that that would be drafted. So I don't look at this and

588
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.800
say wow, because again I bet
there are casual college basketball fans that did

589
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:59.760
not know a single one of these
guys. I mean, is that crazy

590
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:04.880
to say, like Jo Davis John
Davis play at FIU. Yeah, I'm

591
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.280
sorry, I keep saying, FIM
surprised Hunter Dickinson isn't on that list.

592
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.280
He was on the reserves and that
was I don't know if it was a

593
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.480
hot take. But Colprinner's really good
and and and so is Dickinson. But

594
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.199
they have Col Brinner as a starter. Like Cooper Flag is probably a name

595
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.559
you know of because he's the he's
believed to be the next like phenom.

596
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.960
What I mean by that is he
is somebody that people assume when he gets

597
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.559
to the NBA, he will not
only perform at a high level, he

598
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.480
will win games for teams as a
rookie because he's that gifted. I mean,

599
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.559
some of the video that I've seen, I I assumed it was exaggerated.

600
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:42.960
I assumed he hit a shot or
two. There's there's legitimate footage of

601
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.880
of the Team USA Select Team playing
actual Team USA in Cooper Flag plays for

602
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:51.239
the Select team. I mean he's
given him work. I mean he's scoring

603
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.440
uh at all levels, getting to
the rim, knocking down threes, scoring

604
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:59.000
off the bounce. I mean he's
he's fearless and he's really talented. So

605
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.960
again, a lot of these guys, even if you're a casual college basketball

606
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.119
and you don't know a lot about
him, because they didn't have years of

607
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.320
hype. Because the hype comes for
guys that are going to go to the

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NBA, at least they're expected to
go to the NBA. And the only

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guy of those five is Cooper Flag
that I feel like I said any level

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of that, So I don't think
that's like a bad thing. I don't

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look at it and say, wow, college basketball is down. I look

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at it and say, it's just
different now. Like John O'Davis and Mark

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Sears would have left college two years
ago, probably because you know what,

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what else they got to prove they're
not going to go to the NBA.

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They're gonna start making money playing in
Europe or somewhere else. But now they

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can stay in college and make more
money there than they would if they were

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playing in Europe. And I think
that's good for college basketball. But again,

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I don't know if my view on
it is even worth anything, because

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I'm going to love college basketball regardless
of who's playing it. It's always best

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for the sport to have a guy
like Cooper Flag that is going to bring

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more eyeballs because people who don't give
it damn about college basketball, they're gonna

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want to see this guy and at
Duke and see what he looks like because

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he's believed to be a guy that
could be one of the all time great

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players to ever play the game.
That's an exaggeration, it's all based off

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hype, but that's the hype that
he has right now. I mean it

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was like Zion, And honestly,
Zion was a little different because by the

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time Zion got to college, his
hype had kind of faded a little bit.

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People were acting like, you know, he's not in great shape.

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You know, he's not a good
enough shooter. I mean, he was

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the third ranked player in his own
class at Duke. People know that or

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not. Cam Reddish and RJ.
Barrett were ranked ahead of Zion Williams.

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And then Zion Willmson got to college
and then we all realize, oh,

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this guy's different. I feel weird
being excited about another phenom being in college

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basketball. But because because I feel
like whenever that was the talk of college

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basketball every single year, especially with
Kentucky, I guess it just became old

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and you wanted to see more respect
for the older players. Now you're getting

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that, but we haven't had a
true phenom since the Zion Williams and that

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We've talked about for several times.
But I'm with you. I was.

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I was annoyed by it as well, because I always just felt like it

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was nonsense, even when there was
the occasional player that did produce at a

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high level. But Zion changed it
for me because I was a big Zion

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fan. He was the one college
basket and they played the same year.

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By the way, but when John
Moran and Zion Williamson were in college,

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I would go out of my way. I would plan to watch them play.

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And I didn't even bet at that
time. I mean, I mean,

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I'm not a fan of Murray State
or Duke, but those guys were

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so exciting and they brought so many
eyeballs to college basketball that typically wouldn't have

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been there without them. And I
think Cooper Flag can do that all right.

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The other names here real quick.
R. J. Davis is a

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reserve guard from Carolina, Hunter Sallas, a reserve guard from Wake Forest,

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Kamari Richmond, a wing from Saint
John's. Aaron Bailey, who is another

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freshman alongside Cooper Flag he's at Rutgers, Coleman Hawkins at Kansas State. And

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then Hunter Dickinson is your other big
man head coach, No surprise, Dan

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Hurley, all right, we got
another two hours, so stick with us.

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We're gonna get the four o'clock hours
started with a guest, a very

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important guest. He's our man,
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