Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,
I'm forty. Go ahead, make my dad. Every single week,
I put my freaking heart and soul into this. I don't go out there
and laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's funny to me. I don't want
to go out there and get embarrassed on Monday night football fund of everybody.
I think this at the beginning of a beautiful friendship. So I ain't nothing
changed from yesterday. Still the same person I was yesterday, and I got
the same thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here.
You play to win the game. You don't play to just play it.
That's a great thing about sports. You play to win, and I
don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win.
When you start telling me it doesn't matter if you retire get out for the
matters, well you tell me honestly, You tell me how much winning matters
to you. Right now? It doesn't feel like it. It really doesn't.
And when you look at the comments from people overall, Look, social
media is one thing where we can use as a barometer. But oftentimes the
beauty of social media even though I think most people are on it to be
angry. But the beauty of it is you get a pulse from the fan
base in whatever sport, at whatever market. If your team's not doing well,
you're not going to hear many positive things, and you wouldn't expect to,
right, but holy cow, the negativity surrounding the Detroit Tigers is incredible.
I'm not saying it's not justified. It is, but it's been incredible.
They're going to open up. This is where you get in a real
feel for it. All right, how many people are going to follow live
this team? Is? They head West? They open up a season long
ten game road trip with a three games slate in LA against the Angels.
Jack Flaherty's gonna throw against Davis Daniel, who I have no idea guy with
two first names. Detroit loses the series to Philly six to two. Real
question, best team in baseball comes to your market. You win one out
of three, you're not competitive in the other two. I mean, they
beat the hell out of you. In Game one. They hit the blood
out of the ball last night or yesterday with twelve hits. They had seven
relievers living you to four hits. That included Matt Vierling's leadoff home run,
his career tying high tenth. He's been good for him, But honestly,
what did you expect? See? I say this all the time, although
I get burned by it too. This is about expectations. I expected nothing
less than this or nothing more than this. Really frustrating. You see a
team come in and they are so good, so balanced. I love the
way they play. Just a little sample Bryson Stott with a base hit that
he turns into a double, where others may have easily said, you know
what, I'm just gonna hunker down here at first base. That dude out
of the gate busted to second base. Who do you got on this team
that does that. I'm not saying everybody should be Bryce and Stott. He's
a good player, not a great player, but he's a good player.
He doesn't have to be a great player when he's surrounded by guys like Harper
and Schwarber and Turner and Castillanos and marsh Not that they're great players. Harper
shure as hell is, but the steadiness of them all right. He trace
now lost four of their last five series, So pay attention to this.
They are nine and fourteen in June. That's twenty three games, right,
Okay, twelve of those games they've scored two runs or less. More than
half of the games they have played in the month of June, the offense
has been limited to two runs or less. This, I'm sure for you
is getting old, and for me it is really old. But it's factual.
This is what I have to bring to you because sometimes, and I
can't blame you, sometimes you can't stomach watching it and you shouldn't, which
really hurts to say, because I like watching baseball, man. I enjoyed
watching Tigers baseball on the field to play. And I did notice something yesterday.
And I'm always hesitanting this because I've been in that chair and I know
it's difficult, but during a broadcast, you got to be really careful about
talking about fans because it's emotional. Man. This is an emotional highway from
me at home to them on the field. As a broadcaster, you are
that emotional link and you try to give as much insight as you possibly can
because you're around the team every day, and you are with the team every
day, and you get a chance to talk with the team every day.
And yesterday there was a little hint in a narrative that had the fan base
being a little unreasonable and impatient. Now I'm not sure what unreasonable means for
me. It's Matt, why in the world did you think this team was
going to win the division? It had as much to do with the team's
other teams in the division as it did with Detroit, and I have been
surprised and wrong, flat out wrong about the teams ahead of the Tigers.
I have been just as wrong, if not worse, about the hometown team.
And that's on me, okay, but it's not all on me.
It's on them too. The expectations were real, and the expectations are not
out of line. This team is not put together very well, nor was
last year's team, or the team before or the team before that. And
you can't seem to find somebody who either a puts together a roster that is
adept to this ballpark, or b understands the needs of this team and fails
to go do that. You don't have to go get home run hitters.
This is why I say in the middle of the order, this team has
lacked power. Power doesn't always mean home runs. It helps. It's needed,
but it's not essential for everyone you bring in. But you don't have
anybody that's nuts, absolutely nuts. Philly's got it. They're the standard right
now. Maybe you could say the Yankees, but they lost again yesterday.
Mets beat the crap out of them, even though Aaron Judge hit his thirtieth
homer of the year. How is it unreasonable for you and I to expect
this team to be more competitive than six games under five hundred? How is
it unreasonable for you and I to expect this team to be within closer than
fifteen games of first place in this division. We'll get your thoughts on that
as we move forward here. I know we want to talk NBA Draft.
I get it, and rightfully so we will, and we will do that
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you this, Who's more at fault me or the team? This just came
to me during the break, and I should ask Trent and Bennis, our
producers, if I expect something of you, in this case the Tigers,
if I expected something of you and you don't deliver, and let's face it,
they haven't. They haven't delivered anything besides the five and old start.
Honestly, Okay, Trek Scoubele fair enough, maybe just maybe Jack Flaherty and
he pitches tonight. Here's what I would ask you. Is it my fault
for having such high expectations? Or is it your fault for not complete what
was expected? And maybe I'm looking at this wrong. Maybe this isn't on
the Tigers. Maybe this is on me and you. How dare we expect
more out of them? The other question I have is about the word rebuild.
Some people shudder at that, like, oh God, please, don't
don't say that. When does a rebuild begin? Because when you look at
this team and you see how long it's been since it's made a playoff run
and I mean to run, I mean like a push toward the playoffs.
Okay, that's what I mean. I'm not asking you to make the playoffs.
I want you to push for one. Last year was not a push
for a playoff spot. They finished nine games back. Twenty twenty two,
sure as hell wasn't a run for a playoff spot. They finished twenty six
games out of first place in the division. The year before that, they
finished eighteen games out in the division. Forget twenty twenty because it's meaningless.
Twenty nineteen was one of the worst seasons Tigers baseball has ever experienced. They
were forty seven and one hundred and fourteen. They finished a whopping and I
mean a whopping fifty three and a half games back of the one hundred and
one win Minnesota Twins in twenty nineteen, twenty seven games out in twenty eighteen,
dead last again in twenty seventeen, where they finished thirty eight games out
twenty sixteen, perhaps perhaps and yet still finished eight games away. You tell
me when I should stop. Oh, I guess I should stop when it
was twenty fourteen, right because they won the division. Because a year later
they finished twenty and a half games out, they were last in the division.
They went from the penthouse to the outhouse. So it's been since twenty
fourteen ten years. You tell me when the rebuild begins and ends. I
just went through the god awful numbers. We're not talking any competitive baseball in
what it was widely considered the worst division in baseball. I suppose you can
make an argument that it's not. You want to give me the division that's
worse, feel free? Is it the NL West that has the Dodgers and
back in the day not too long ago, San Francisco who was pretty damn
good, or Arizona that went to the World Series a year ago, or
San Diego has got some superstars on it. More than one, more than
two, more than three, could be the NL Central. Milwaukee's been pretty
steady, so hit Saint Louis. It's no other There's no other divisions that
you can make the argument for, maybe maybe the National League Central. Either
way, what difference does it make it It isn't about other divisions. It's
not about other teams. It's about this team and this division. Do you
tell me when the rebuild begins ten years and people are trying to tell me
that you've got to give more time because it's a rebuild. Oh, I
see there's somebody new in oh Okay. Why is it that when somebody new
comes to town, but the philosophy remains the same from ownership, it's a
pass. I guess My point is with what this team is right now,
does it look much different than two years ago? Be honest? Does it
look much different? I mean, you always tell me he's coaching with other
coaches players. So in other words, when Juwan Howard took over the University
of Michigan his first year, he takes over with John b Lin's players.
Okay, So when Tiger's management comes in last year actually somewhat competitive despite finishing
nine games back second in the division. They were with al of Vila's players,
right, I mean comes to reason, Okay, does when do you
have the chance to implement your own players? You did last year, you
do this year. You take a new job, whatever job you have right
now, you move on to a competitor of the company you have. Are
you doing things the same way as they did? They hired you to do
what to do it your way? That's what makes you appealing. They want
you in there to implement your ideas, your expertise, your way of doing
things. That's what the Tigers did with their front office. Bring these guys
in, let's have them do it their way. How long do you need?
I don't know. I'm not saying I have the answer. I'm just
asking you how long do you need? If it was that broken and as
sure as hell seemed to be broken, if it was that broken, what
needs to be fixed. I'm not saying you snap your fingers and boom it's
done. But in sports you have the opportunity to go out and get free
agents. I'm not asking this organization to fast track its young players. It
just drafted. That's suicidal, makes no sense. Max Clark isn't ready.
JACEH. Young isn't ready. Apparently, Dylan Zingler apparently isn't ready. I'm
not asking you to just bring these guys up for the quote unquote sake of
bringing them up. I'm asking you, why is it you keep a status
quo that isn't working. I'm asking you why you expect a fan base that
has waited ten years and I just gave you the numbers in which they didn't
finish above five hundred and how far back they finished each year. I'm asking
you besides that, you're asking this fan base to be patient because it's a
rebuild. How many times does it have to listen to that type of rhetoric.
It's ridiculous, and I know there's nothing that can be done about it
right now. Season's over. Can't sit here and bitch and left and right.
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care about each other, how they communicate with each other, how they celebrate
with the other, how they take responsibility forget about their rages. They are
reliable, They are dependable. That kind of describes Rod Beard of the Detroit
News. You can follow him on Twitter at debt News Rod Beard. He
joins us now here on ex'es and Bros. As he crams for another draft
night Pistons Basketball. They have the fifth and fifty third overall pick, and
he will be at the Epistons practice facility getting ready for that, and he
joins us, how are you, my friend, Chep, how are you?
You're way too kind, way too no, no, Well, deserved
to do it, such a wonderful job covering this team, and we really
appreciate it, and I appreciate your time at number five. What should they
be looking for? They should be looking for an impactful player who can come
in and I would say start. And if you can't find a player who's
going to start, then you've got to look to trade the pick and either
acquire some more assets to get a future pick and get somewhere lower in the
draft, or you've got to package it somehow and get a v veteran who
can help you a little bit more immediately. If you look at the average
age of this roster, it's insane. And I don't think drafting another nineteen
twenty twenty one year old is going to help you in the immediate term.
You've got to have very specific sights on what you want. If you want
a good shooter, it's don't connect. If you want another big you've got
to look that way, or a small forward. There are a couple of
players there, and I haven't done all of the deep dives into everything that
met that Bezillas has. But you've got to look for something very specific and
if it's not there, just trade out of the pig. I agree one
hundred percent. I guess it depends on what you could get from a trade
like that. But people talk about this draft being weak, or I shouldn't
say that, it's not as strong as a draft as maybe it has been
in the past. Unfortunately, there are certain names associated with the Pistons in
this situation. Donovan Klingen is one of them from Yukon. Why would they
need another big man when they have a guy like Jalen Duran, who I
like a lot. He's actually one of my favorite Pistons they have Isaiah Stewart.
Is there room for another big man or should they be looking for a
different position, even though today positions are so interchangeable. Yeah, I think
it's very fluid in that sense. And here's the argument I can make for
cleaning. If you feel like Jalen Duran is closer and he's a better trade
chip, then you keep playing in in trade Duran if you really just don't
feel like Duran is a defensive presence that you want and you have to feel
like clingon can be that you are setting the clock back if you do that.
But it just depends on who you can get. Is the number five
pick worse a veteran? Probably not. Is Jalen Duran getting you closer to
getting the veteran that you want, I would argue it is. So you
don't have a lot of pieces that other teams want, but Jalen Duran may
be one that you can package and get something serviceable in return. That's a
great explanation. What's more important the draft or free agency for Detroit in the
offseason. Free agency absolutely free agency, because you have the money to go
out and make an impact and get to thirty million dollar players of forty and
twenty whatever you want to do with that. But you need veterans on this
team. You can't have Isaiah Stewart as your longer, longest tenured player and
really ride that you need a player in the NBA who can guide you,
who has some playoff experience, and who can get you through those battles.
Isaiah Stewart is a is a good player, but he's not your leader.
He's not the one that's going to get you through the tough times. Kate
Cunningham a good player, but he hasn't played enough to be the loan your
leading scorer, your best player, your leader, everything else. That's asking
a lot of Kate Cunningham. I agree with everything you just said. The
only thing I would argue is that I don't like they've had boy on Bogdanovich
and it didn't really matter. I think you've got to have a player who
is not necessarily older, but has experience, but is still in the prime
of his career. Now that's easier said than done. I understand that absolutely,
But you've got to bring a guy in who can guide this team through
some rough waters. The coaches can't always be that voice. I don't know
who that is. People want names associated with that description. Do you have
anybody in mind, realistically who the Pistons could go out and acquire as a
free agent that would make an impact. It's not a great free agent class
or in a trade you'd like to see wearing Piston, red, white and
blue. I would love to see Zach Levine, and it is a huge
risk because of his contract, because of his injury history. But I feel
like if you're going to make a move and free agency, you've got to
go get an all star caliber, not even all star caliber, you need
an all start. If you're going to jumpstart this this rebuild, you've got
to an all Stars. So you need a DeMar derozen a Zach Lavine,
a Jeremy Grant type player to go out and bring them back. And it
is that's your leading score, that's your a number one guy, and Caid
can be paid. And this is the analogy I use. That kid Cunningham
at Oklahoma State is one year there. Why didn't they do well in the
tournament? He didn't have a complete team around him. He excels when he
has other A one elite level players around him. The Stems don't have that,
and it's going to be a few years before they do unless they do
something significant in free agency or the draft to try to do something. I
just don't see that that draft pick is there, even if you're talking about
Alexander sar or Risache. I don't see an impact will turn this thing around.
Klingon could be that, but it's a duplicative piece that you're going to
have. Is there a small forward that makes a difference. Maybe if it's
don't connect, who's going to come in and be a solid wing for you
with some three point shooting. I don't know about Reed Shepherd and his three
point shooting, but that's an area where we know that they need some help
immediately. Rod Beard joining us here on Exes and Bros. Followhim on X
at Debt News. Rod Beard, we're talking about what the Pistons do here
tonight. You wrote yesterday about Dennis Lindsay adding to the front office as the
senior vice president of basketball Operations. What's the important piece of information that he
brings to this organization? And those are the things that kind of fly under
the radar, But what will his responsibilities be. He's like a GM,
He's going to have some more strategic sort of things too, but I think
he's going to handle a little bit more of the data to day stuff as
a GM would. And Trajan langdon is it will be that traditional team president
role, and we haven't seen this since the stan Van Gundy era where we've
had a team president and a general manager at the same time. But again,
in Lindsay's case, he's an SEP of basketball ops. That's going to
give him a little bit more leeway to do some things on his own.
But the significance is he comes from a winning culture. Having worked with Dallas
this year. He was with Utah during their building years when they got down
Ivan Mitchell could have been a Piston got down to Mitchell and they got Ruby
Gobert. So they built that thing from that era where they weren't doing so
well. So the experience in doing that, we've seen what Trajan Langdon has
done in New Orleans to help to build that. I think you bring in
guys who understand what the assignment is and they're able to execute on that.
I think Lindsay's going to do it, Michael Blackstone's going to do it.
In Trajan Langdon have the background in the resume to be able to bring that.
What do you like about Langdon? I like his honesty from the very
beginning. He said he doesn't know a lot of stuff. He said,
he acknowledged there's a long way to go in this and that this roster needs
a lot more. He didn't come in trying to blow into any kind of
smoker or tell you something that was not true. He said it's going to
take a long time. They've got a lot in front of them, and
this team is very young, and they're going to have some work to do
in free agency in the draft. I like that honesty from the very beginning.
It's not a our salesman. He's going to tell you exactly what he
sees. This is a hard question to answer, but how does he make
this a place that is a viable destination free agents? I think you've got
to You've got to make these young pieces viable pieces to build around. Jade
and Ivy doesn't strike you as a guy that you're gonna build around. Really,
the only one you could say that is about Kate and to a lesser
degree, Jalen Duran. You've got to bring in some other veteran pieces that
say, hey, I want to come here, and it's it's just like
the Tigers rebuild with Plug Rodriguez was the first piece of that. You need
some names and you need some respect that people will look at the roster and
say, hey, this is the place that I think I can come in
and help out and be that other piece that they need. But you've just
got to start at one, and Kate is that one. They're gonna have
to pay him the max in order to keep him around, but you've got
to surround him with some other things too. Yeah, and rightfully so.
But look, I mean, people bring up it's a good example. People
bring up the Pug Rodriguez. The team didn't turn around really until Jim Leland
took over, okay, because Pluge Rodriguez was not a good teammate when Alan
Trammell was there as the skipper. So that leads me to this Charles Lee
named head coach in Charlotte. Who does Trajan Langen pick as the next head
coach for the Pistons? Do you think today? I'm gonna say James Barrego
because he has that same turnaround experience that he's done with Charlotte and he turned
them into a plus five hundred team that made the playoffs, and he's used
to working with younger players. This isn't a good cycle where you have a
lot of good names, But maybe that's the issue with the Pistons is that
they've tried to go with the hot coach of the year type guy in a
Wayne Casey during that time in Amani Williams. Maybe you need a coach who's
going to grow with the players and doesn't have that name plate where there's a
level of respect, but then there's also a level of I know what I'm
doing and you can't and the unwillingness to change with the times and the change
with the roster that you have. In the end, Also that Moni Williams
was let go after a year and why do you think it didn't work?
I think it didn't work mainly because he wasn't completely in and he said in
his introductory press conference that it was about I mean, the money is a
number. He didn't want to coach, and you just throw enough money.
Everybody has a number. You throw him that number, and you know what,
I can't turn that down, even if I just got to do it
for the other coaches in the league, because it sets the market for coaching
salaries. Also, there was some pressure, probably from the coaching organization to
make sure that you did that, but I don't think his heart was in
it completely and I think the roster just wasn't conducive to doing something. If
you had done Manty and you had had gotten a significant free agent, you
may have had something to work with. He just didn't have a good enough
roster to go out there and win this year. So great answer, but
two frustrations with that answer. One is he knew what he was getting when
he signed with the roster and couldn't use sense. I mean, as smart
as Tom Gores and his staff are in making the money that they've made,
how do you not sense that this guy's coming here for the wrong reasons.
It's not desire, it's financial. How do you not know that? Because
I think in that world, money makes everybody happy. Money motivates everybody,
is the thought. And when when it doesn't, when you're still, hey,
I'm here and I'm collecting the check, but I just don't have it,
And you could you could kind of see that in games that he wasn't
fiery, He wasn't the things that a coach should do, just taking a
tech for your player just because he didn't have that fire and the players,
I would say, the player since that too. That's really disappointing. It
really is and now he's he's going to get you know what, sixty four
sixty five million dollars for not coaching Rod Beard joining us here on XUS and
bros at Debt News. Rod Beard is how you follow him on X.
So it's a big night for most teams in the NBA with this draft,
and we mentioned how may not be as strong. How do you fix the
issue if at all, that guys are coming out before they're ready because you're
seeing more and more international players being near the top. And that's fine,
I mean rightfully, so let's go to Victor Weben Yamen did. But there's
a lot of collegians who are coming out that many people thought, eh,
he still needs more maturing. Reed Shepherd is a good example. He's going
to be a top five pick. Is that an issue right now or do
you think something can be fixed in that regard? No, I think that's
the system we've created now with even the G League. Even if you get
drafted to a team and you go to the G League, you have some
developmental time, but you're on a drafted contract. The money, it's too
much money and there's too much opportunity to be able to develop. Do I
want to be on a college campus now and making NIO money, or do
I want to be on a even a second round pick that might be guaranteed
a million or two million dollars. I'll take the chance and being with a
team and having NBA development over my college shape, right. I want to
pick your brain on this. The other day, JJ Reddick was introduced as
the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. He came on and somebody asked
him what he was trying to show people basically, and he said, I
don't give a blank. What do you think about a guy who in his
introductory press conference uses profanity. Not that I'm a softy by any stretch.
You know that because we're friends, we've known each other for a long time.
But I just wonder about the place and time him using that. I
know you're familiar with it. What was your take on JJ Reddick's introductory press
conference as the lakers new bench boss. Well, I think it just gets
attention, and it's in the LA market. If he's going for the Bucks
or the Timberwolves, I don't think that that gets nearly as much attention.
But it's the Lakers and he's a TV guy. So he know him.
You can put that clip on and it's gonna Hey, that's my coach.
That's he doesn't care about anything. And the attention, well, he's been
caring about the attention for he GE's been for years. So you care about
it or you don't. It got you, involted you to this position,
and now you don't care about it. It seemed a bit disingenuous in the
beginning, but I can see why he was trying to do it. Joe
Mozoula is just the opposite, and his team won a championship. When people
asked him certain questions he was he was pretty straightforward man. I absolutely love
some of his answers, and he's obviously deep in his faith. Do you
how do you view that in the NBA as a guy who's willing to talk
about faith and Christianity compared to others who want to shy away from it.
It's refreshing to see because there is a population that really digs into that.
You see in every football game after the game, their players can gather around
in a circle and they pray about things. A chapel. In NFL or
NBA games before the game, they have chapel and they talk and they pray
and they express their faith. It just doesn't really get projected as much as
it should be. Yeah, they do it for baseball too. Before I
let you go, one more thing. Five pick comes up commissioners, they're
ready to introduce. Do you think it's a trade? Do you think it's
a player? And if it's a player, who do you think the Pistons
are taking tonight? I think it's a trade. But if it's a player
in Donovan Klingon is available, I think you go ahead and do that.
The other one I will say is Dalton Connect. Those are the two targets.
I would have. Wow, that's interesting, And I hope you're right
because I really like Dalton Connect, not just because he fits a need for
this team, but I think he's going to be a really solid player.
I don't think there's anybody they're going to get who's going to be a multi
year All Star. But the Baziula's kid is constantly referred to and linked to
Detroit. What if they went that route, what would we be getting?
Get some guy with some upside that he can be a three and D type
guy, but uh and and some decent shooting, but it's gonna it's a
project that's going to take some time. I think connect and be effective a
little bit sooner. And even in Clington's case, if he figures it all
out on the NBA level, because big men in the NBA takes some time
to develop. Also, if he can figure it out quickly, I think
he can be good. It's good stuff, Rod, appreciate it, man,
you do a great job as always. Enjoy the draft tonight and hope
to talk to you soon. Thanks for your insight, all right, thanks,
you appreciate it. You bet all right, Rod Beard that you try
news joining us to talk a little pistons as U and I think we've broached
a lot of different topics able to get not just the draft, uh,
but also the you know what tragent Langdon brings, what he's building with the
front office, free agency, and how important it is for to try to
go out and get a guy or two. Uh, they've got the money.
And I thought that was an interesting answer when you're talking about Zach Levine.
Really like Kyle Kuzma, a guy who I think is gettable, But
Zach Levine I like a lot and I think a lot of people who follow
the NBA would like a lot too. Here's my question about Zach Levine.
What kind of and this is the reason I let into Rod with John Wooden's
words about being a great teammate, what kind of teammate is he? Now
you may pooh pooh that, but that's I think it's really really important because
some of these young players are so impressionable that the Pistons have. So if
you're gonna bring in a veteran, which is fine, I'm all for you
know that, but it's got to be the right character guy too. I
think that's important. Let's hoe Ron Hollin's a character guy because he's the draft
pick. So Rod Beard was close among some of the players that he was
mentioning. They were taken right around that area, Donov and Klingen, for
example, taking two players after Ron Holland. When we come back, we'll
talk about first of all, it's our poll question, but we'll also talk
about the draft from last night and anything else that might be on your mind.
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