WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:21.640 Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man, 2 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:26.679 I'm forty. Go ahead, make my dad. Every single week, 3 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.239 I put my freaking heart and soul into this. I don't go out there 4 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:32.479 and laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's funny to me. I don't want 5 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:35.719 to go out there and get embarrassed on Monday night football fund of everybody. 6 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.640 I think this at the beginning of a beautiful friendship. So I ain't nothing 7 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:44.320 changed from yesterday. Still the same person I was yesterday, and I got 8 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:48.240 the same thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. 9 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.759 You play to win the game. You don't play to just play it. 10 00:00:56.200 --> 00:01:00.240 That's a great thing about sports. You play to win, and I 11 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:02.799 don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. 12 00:01:03.239 --> 00:01:10.120 When you start telling me it doesn't matter if you retire get out for the 13 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:19.680 matters, well you tell me honestly, You tell me how much winning matters 14 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.359 to you. Right now? It doesn't feel like it. It really doesn't. 15 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:30.159 And when you look at the comments from people overall, Look, social 16 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:38.159 media is one thing where we can use as a barometer. But oftentimes the 17 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.799 beauty of social media even though I think most people are on it to be 18 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:49.239 angry. But the beauty of it is you get a pulse from the fan 19 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.280 base in whatever sport, at whatever market. If your team's not doing well, 20 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.120 you're not going to hear many positive things, and you wouldn't expect to, 21 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:06.480 right, but holy cow, the negativity surrounding the Detroit Tigers is incredible. 22 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.439 I'm not saying it's not justified. It is, but it's been incredible. 23 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.680 They're going to open up. This is where you get in a real 24 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:23.159 feel for it. All right, how many people are going to follow live 25 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:28.479 this team? Is? They head West? They open up a season long 26 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:34.000 ten game road trip with a three games slate in LA against the Angels. 27 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:38.439 Jack Flaherty's gonna throw against Davis Daniel, who I have no idea guy with 28 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:45.599 two first names. Detroit loses the series to Philly six to two. Real 29 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:53.439 question, best team in baseball comes to your market. You win one out 30 00:02:53.479 --> 00:03:00.840 of three, you're not competitive in the other two. I mean, they 31 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:07.520 beat the hell out of you. In Game one. They hit the blood 32 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:13.039 out of the ball last night or yesterday with twelve hits. They had seven 33 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:19.280 relievers living you to four hits. That included Matt Vierling's leadoff home run, 34 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:23.599 his career tying high tenth. He's been good for him, But honestly, 35 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:30.680 what did you expect? See? I say this all the time, although 36 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:39.400 I get burned by it too. This is about expectations. I expected nothing 37 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:47.759 less than this or nothing more than this. Really frustrating. You see a 38 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:57.599 team come in and they are so good, so balanced. I love the 39 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:05.479 way they play. Just a little sample Bryson Stott with a base hit that 40 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:11.400 he turns into a double, where others may have easily said, you know 41 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.000 what, I'm just gonna hunker down here at first base. That dude out 42 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.480 of the gate busted to second base. Who do you got on this team 43 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:26.000 that does that. I'm not saying everybody should be Bryce and Stott. He's 44 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.240 a good player, not a great player, but he's a good player. 45 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:32.040 He doesn't have to be a great player when he's surrounded by guys like Harper 46 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:40.879 and Schwarber and Turner and Castillanos and marsh Not that they're great players. Harper 47 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:47.480 shure as hell is, but the steadiness of them all right. He trace 48 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:54.279 now lost four of their last five series, So pay attention to this. 49 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:00.959 They are nine and fourteen in June. That's twenty three games, right, 50 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:13.560 Okay, twelve of those games they've scored two runs or less. More than 51 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:20.560 half of the games they have played in the month of June, the offense 52 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:28.959 has been limited to two runs or less. This, I'm sure for you 53 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:38.199 is getting old, and for me it is really old. But it's factual. 54 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.399 This is what I have to bring to you because sometimes, and I 55 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:51.319 can't blame you, sometimes you can't stomach watching it and you shouldn't, which 56 00:05:53.160 --> 00:06:01.519 really hurts to say, because I like watching baseball, man. I enjoyed 57 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:13.240 watching Tigers baseball on the field to play. And I did notice something yesterday. 58 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.439 And I'm always hesitanting this because I've been in that chair and I know 59 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:24.680 it's difficult, but during a broadcast, you got to be really careful about 60 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:32.160 talking about fans because it's emotional. Man. This is an emotional highway from 61 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:40.079 me at home to them on the field. As a broadcaster, you are 62 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:46.120 that emotional link and you try to give as much insight as you possibly can 63 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:51.759 because you're around the team every day, and you are with the team every 64 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:58.279 day, and you get a chance to talk with the team every day. 65 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:06.680 And yesterday there was a little hint in a narrative that had the fan base 66 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:16.120 being a little unreasonable and impatient. Now I'm not sure what unreasonable means for 67 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.759 me. It's Matt, why in the world did you think this team was 68 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:27.120 going to win the division? It had as much to do with the team's 69 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:30.959 other teams in the division as it did with Detroit, and I have been 70 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:38.040 surprised and wrong, flat out wrong about the teams ahead of the Tigers. 71 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:44.480 I have been just as wrong, if not worse, about the hometown team. 72 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.959 And that's on me, okay, but it's not all on me. 73 00:07:53.439 --> 00:08:01.040 It's on them too. The expectations were real, and the expectations are not 74 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:11.639 out of line. This team is not put together very well, nor was 75 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.079 last year's team, or the team before or the team before that. And 76 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:24.600 you can't seem to find somebody who either a puts together a roster that is 77 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:35.000 adept to this ballpark, or b understands the needs of this team and fails 78 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:41.840 to go do that. You don't have to go get home run hitters. 79 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.200 This is why I say in the middle of the order, this team has 80 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:52.720 lacked power. Power doesn't always mean home runs. It helps. It's needed, 81 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.639 but it's not essential for everyone you bring in. But you don't have 82 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:05.879 anybody that's nuts, absolutely nuts. Philly's got it. They're the standard right 83 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:09.840 now. Maybe you could say the Yankees, but they lost again yesterday. 84 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.399 Mets beat the crap out of them, even though Aaron Judge hit his thirtieth 85 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:18.200 homer of the year. How is it unreasonable for you and I to expect 86 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:24.240 this team to be more competitive than six games under five hundred? How is 87 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:31.000 it unreasonable for you and I to expect this team to be within closer than 88 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:37.559 fifteen games of first place in this division. We'll get your thoughts on that 89 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.159 as we move forward here. I know we want to talk NBA Draft. 90 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.519 I get it, and rightfully so we will, and we will do that 91 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:48.240 coming up on Exes and Bros. As we continue on a Thursday morning. 92 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:52.320 After this, Bill Simonson, here from my good friend Josh Garvey. Now 93 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.440 he's a managing shareholder at dorin May who's Grand Rapids office. Their world headquarters 94 00:09:56.440 --> 00:10:00.039 are in Troy, Michigan, on the east side of the state. We 95 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.919 have locations all around the world. 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When you raise funds through the Vanandel 114 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.559 Institute Purple Community, one hundred percent of the proceeds go directly to the institute's 115 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:41.919 research into diseases like cancer and Parkinson's, as well as VII science education programs. 116 00:11:43.279 --> 00:12:01.879 Learn how you can get involved at Purplecommunity dot org. Let me ask 117 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:09.519 you this, Who's more at fault me or the team? This just came 118 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:15.120 to me during the break, and I should ask Trent and Bennis, our 119 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:22.279 producers, if I expect something of you, in this case the Tigers, 120 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:28.799 if I expected something of you and you don't deliver, and let's face it, 121 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.240 they haven't. They haven't delivered anything besides the five and old start. 122 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:43.919 Honestly, Okay, Trek Scoubele fair enough, maybe just maybe Jack Flaherty and 123 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.720 he pitches tonight. Here's what I would ask you. Is it my fault 124 00:12:50.159 --> 00:13:01.440 for having such high expectations? Or is it your fault for not complete what 125 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:09.440 was expected? And maybe I'm looking at this wrong. Maybe this isn't on 126 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:16.039 the Tigers. Maybe this is on me and you. How dare we expect 127 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:24.960 more out of them? The other question I have is about the word rebuild. 128 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.000 Some people shudder at that, like, oh God, please, don't 129 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:39.039 don't say that. When does a rebuild begin? Because when you look at 130 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.440 this team and you see how long it's been since it's made a playoff run 131 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.639 and I mean to run, I mean like a push toward the playoffs. 132 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.960 Okay, that's what I mean. I'm not asking you to make the playoffs. 133 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:58.039 I want you to push for one. Last year was not a push 134 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:07.639 for a playoff spot. They finished nine games back. Twenty twenty two, 135 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.720 sure as hell wasn't a run for a playoff spot. They finished twenty six 136 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:18.600 games out of first place in the division. The year before that, they 137 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:24.440 finished eighteen games out in the division. Forget twenty twenty because it's meaningless. 138 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:31.320 Twenty nineteen was one of the worst seasons Tigers baseball has ever experienced. They 139 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:37.080 were forty seven and one hundred and fourteen. They finished a whopping and I 140 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:41.120 mean a whopping fifty three and a half games back of the one hundred and 141 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:52.080 one win Minnesota Twins in twenty nineteen, twenty seven games out in twenty eighteen, 142 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:58.039 dead last again in twenty seventeen, where they finished thirty eight games out 143 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:09.840 twenty sixteen, perhaps perhaps and yet still finished eight games away. You tell 144 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.799 me when I should stop. Oh, I guess I should stop when it 145 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:22.039 was twenty fourteen, right because they won the division. Because a year later 146 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:26.559 they finished twenty and a half games out, they were last in the division. 147 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.120 They went from the penthouse to the outhouse. So it's been since twenty 148 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:41.840 fourteen ten years. You tell me when the rebuild begins and ends. I 149 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:48.919 just went through the god awful numbers. We're not talking any competitive baseball in 150 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:56.320 what it was widely considered the worst division in baseball. I suppose you can 151 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:03.039 make an argument that it's not. You want to give me the division that's 152 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:11.799 worse, feel free? Is it the NL West that has the Dodgers and 153 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:17.039 back in the day not too long ago, San Francisco who was pretty damn 154 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:22.759 good, or Arizona that went to the World Series a year ago, or 155 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.559 San Diego has got some superstars on it. More than one, more than 156 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:33.519 two, more than three, could be the NL Central. Milwaukee's been pretty 157 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:41.440 steady, so hit Saint Louis. It's no other There's no other divisions that 158 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:49.240 you can make the argument for, maybe maybe the National League Central. Either 159 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.639 way, what difference does it make it It isn't about other divisions. It's 160 00:16:52.639 --> 00:17:00.200 not about other teams. It's about this team and this division. Do you 161 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:10.680 tell me when the rebuild begins ten years and people are trying to tell me 162 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.759 that you've got to give more time because it's a rebuild. Oh, I 163 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:23.240 see there's somebody new in oh Okay. Why is it that when somebody new 164 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:30.559 comes to town, but the philosophy remains the same from ownership, it's a 165 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:37.200 pass. I guess My point is with what this team is right now, 166 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:45.599 does it look much different than two years ago? Be honest? Does it 167 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:51.160 look much different? I mean, you always tell me he's coaching with other 168 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.880 coaches players. So in other words, when Juwan Howard took over the University 169 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:59.880 of Michigan his first year, he takes over with John b Lin's players. 170 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:07.200 Okay, So when Tiger's management comes in last year actually somewhat competitive despite finishing 171 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:12.599 nine games back second in the division. They were with al of Vila's players, 172 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:22.599 right, I mean comes to reason, Okay, does when do you 173 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:27.720 have the chance to implement your own players? You did last year, you 174 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:33.240 do this year. You take a new job, whatever job you have right 175 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:41.519 now, you move on to a competitor of the company you have. Are 176 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:48.119 you doing things the same way as they did? They hired you to do 177 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:56.000 what to do it your way? That's what makes you appealing. They want 178 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:03.319 you in there to implement your ideas, your expertise, your way of doing 179 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:10.720 things. That's what the Tigers did with their front office. Bring these guys 180 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:15.440 in, let's have them do it their way. How long do you need? 181 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.200 I don't know. I'm not saying I have the answer. I'm just 182 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.440 asking you how long do you need? If it was that broken and as 183 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.880 sure as hell seemed to be broken, if it was that broken, what 184 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.759 needs to be fixed. I'm not saying you snap your fingers and boom it's 185 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:37.599 done. But in sports you have the opportunity to go out and get free 186 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:45.839 agents. I'm not asking this organization to fast track its young players. It 187 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:55.200 just drafted. That's suicidal, makes no sense. Max Clark isn't ready. 188 00:19:55.720 --> 00:20:00.519 JACEH. Young isn't ready. Apparently, Dylan Zingler apparently isn't ready. I'm 189 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.680 not asking you to just bring these guys up for the quote unquote sake of 190 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:11.160 bringing them up. I'm asking you, why is it you keep a status 191 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:22.480 quo that isn't working. I'm asking you why you expect a fan base that 192 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:29.359 has waited ten years and I just gave you the numbers in which they didn't 193 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:36.960 finish above five hundred and how far back they finished each year. I'm asking 194 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:45.200 you besides that, you're asking this fan base to be patient because it's a 195 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:51.960 rebuild. How many times does it have to listen to that type of rhetoric. 196 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:59.799 It's ridiculous, and I know there's nothing that can be done about it 197 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:04.599 right now. Season's over. Can't sit here and bitch and left and right. 198 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:10.240 It's not going to do any good. It cleanses your soul a little 199 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:15.319 bit, cleanses your feelings a little bit. But my gosh, don't be 200 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.279 mad at a fan base that's been waiting ten years. They've been more than 201 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:23.880 patient. Phone number on the Meyer hotline is eighty sixty six eight three eight 202 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.519 forty eight forty three. 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That kind of describes Rod Beard of the Detroit 230 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.759 News. You can follow him on Twitter at debt News Rod Beard. He 231 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:18.119 joins us now here on ex'es and Bros. As he crams for another draft 232 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:22.039 night Pistons Basketball. They have the fifth and fifty third overall pick, and 233 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.640 he will be at the Epistons practice facility getting ready for that, and he 234 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.799 joins us, how are you, my friend, Chep, how are you? 235 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:32.200 You're way too kind, way too no, no, Well, deserved 236 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:33.920 to do it, such a wonderful job covering this team, and we really 237 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:38.400 appreciate it, and I appreciate your time at number five. What should they 238 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:45.240 be looking for? They should be looking for an impactful player who can come 239 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.160 in and I would say start. And if you can't find a player who's 240 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.960 going to start, then you've got to look to trade the pick and either 241 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.599 acquire some more assets to get a future pick and get somewhere lower in the 242 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.480 draft, or you've got to package it somehow and get a v veteran who 243 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.920 can help you a little bit more immediately. If you look at the average 244 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.799 age of this roster, it's insane. And I don't think drafting another nineteen 245 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.559 twenty twenty one year old is going to help you in the immediate term. 246 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.680 You've got to have very specific sights on what you want. If you want 247 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:19.240 a good shooter, it's don't connect. If you want another big you've got 248 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.920 to look that way, or a small forward. There are a couple of 249 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:26.200 players there, and I haven't done all of the deep dives into everything that 250 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:32.119 met that Bezillas has. But you've got to look for something very specific and 251 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:33.880 if it's not there, just trade out of the pig. I agree one 252 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:38.759 hundred percent. I guess it depends on what you could get from a trade 253 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:44.000 like that. But people talk about this draft being weak, or I shouldn't 254 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:48.000 say that, it's not as strong as a draft as maybe it has been 255 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:52.920 in the past. Unfortunately, there are certain names associated with the Pistons in 256 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:59.160 this situation. Donovan Klingen is one of them from Yukon. Why would they 257 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:03.160 need another big man when they have a guy like Jalen Duran, who I 258 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.920 like a lot. He's actually one of my favorite Pistons they have Isaiah Stewart. 259 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.839 Is there room for another big man or should they be looking for a 260 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:18.200 different position, even though today positions are so interchangeable. Yeah, I think 261 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.720 it's very fluid in that sense. And here's the argument I can make for 262 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:27.240 cleaning. If you feel like Jalen Duran is closer and he's a better trade 263 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:32.440 chip, then you keep playing in in trade Duran if you really just don't 264 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:34.960 feel like Duran is a defensive presence that you want and you have to feel 265 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:40.720 like clingon can be that you are setting the clock back if you do that. 266 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.559 But it just depends on who you can get. Is the number five 267 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:49.279 pick worse a veteran? Probably not. Is Jalen Duran getting you closer to 268 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:53.119 getting the veteran that you want, I would argue it is. So you 269 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.480 don't have a lot of pieces that other teams want, but Jalen Duran may 270 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.200 be one that you can package and get something serviceable in return. That's a 271 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:04.839 great explanation. What's more important the draft or free agency for Detroit in the 272 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:11.079 offseason. Free agency absolutely free agency, because you have the money to go 273 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.920 out and make an impact and get to thirty million dollar players of forty and 274 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:21.839 twenty whatever you want to do with that. But you need veterans on this 275 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:26.680 team. You can't have Isaiah Stewart as your longer, longest tenured player and 276 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.079 really ride that you need a player in the NBA who can guide you, 277 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.720 who has some playoff experience, and who can get you through those battles. 278 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.720 Isaiah Stewart is a is a good player, but he's not your leader. 279 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.799 He's not the one that's going to get you through the tough times. Kate 280 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:45.039 Cunningham a good player, but he hasn't played enough to be the loan your 281 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.000 leading scorer, your best player, your leader, everything else. That's asking 282 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.640 a lot of Kate Cunningham. I agree with everything you just said. The 283 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.519 only thing I would argue is that I don't like they've had boy on Bogdanovich 284 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:02.119 and it didn't really matter. I think you've got to have a player who 285 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:07.119 is not necessarily older, but has experience, but is still in the prime 286 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:10.640 of his career. Now that's easier said than done. I understand that absolutely, 287 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.720 But you've got to bring a guy in who can guide this team through 288 00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:18.759 some rough waters. The coaches can't always be that voice. I don't know 289 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:25.240 who that is. People want names associated with that description. Do you have 290 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:30.400 anybody in mind, realistically who the Pistons could go out and acquire as a 291 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.160 free agent that would make an impact. It's not a great free agent class 292 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.160 or in a trade you'd like to see wearing Piston, red, white and 293 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:42.599 blue. I would love to see Zach Levine, and it is a huge 294 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:48.039 risk because of his contract, because of his injury history. But I feel 295 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.640 like if you're going to make a move and free agency, you've got to 296 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.359 go get an all star caliber, not even all star caliber, you need 297 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:59.839 an all start. If you're going to jumpstart this this rebuild, you've got 298 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.319 to an all Stars. So you need a DeMar derozen a Zach Lavine, 299 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.440 a Jeremy Grant type player to go out and bring them back. And it 300 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:11.960 is that's your leading score, that's your a number one guy, and Caid 301 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.039 can be paid. And this is the analogy I use. That kid Cunningham 302 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.640 at Oklahoma State is one year there. Why didn't they do well in the 303 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.160 tournament? He didn't have a complete team around him. He excels when he 304 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.799 has other A one elite level players around him. The Stems don't have that, 305 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.359 and it's going to be a few years before they do unless they do 306 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.160 something significant in free agency or the draft to try to do something. I 307 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.400 just don't see that that draft pick is there, even if you're talking about 308 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.599 Alexander sar or Risache. I don't see an impact will turn this thing around. 309 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:47.200 Klingon could be that, but it's a duplicative piece that you're going to 310 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.960 have. Is there a small forward that makes a difference. Maybe if it's 311 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.799 don't connect, who's going to come in and be a solid wing for you 312 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.039 with some three point shooting. I don't know about Reed Shepherd and his three 313 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.000 point shooting, but that's an area where we know that they need some help 314 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.440 immediately. Rod Beard joining us here on Exes and Bros. Followhim on X 315 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.799 at Debt News. Rod Beard, we're talking about what the Pistons do here 316 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:14.319 tonight. You wrote yesterday about Dennis Lindsay adding to the front office as the 317 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:22.480 senior vice president of basketball Operations. What's the important piece of information that he 318 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.519 brings to this organization? And those are the things that kind of fly under 319 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:32.960 the radar, But what will his responsibilities be. He's like a GM, 320 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.119 He's going to have some more strategic sort of things too, but I think 321 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:37.680 he's going to handle a little bit more of the data to day stuff as 322 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.319 a GM would. And Trajan langdon is it will be that traditional team president 323 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.359 role, and we haven't seen this since the stan Van Gundy era where we've 324 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:51.160 had a team president and a general manager at the same time. But again, 325 00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.119 in Lindsay's case, he's an SEP of basketball ops. That's going to 326 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.759 give him a little bit more leeway to do some things on his own. 327 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.000 But the significance is he comes from a winning culture. Having worked with Dallas 328 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.920 this year. He was with Utah during their building years when they got down 329 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.359 Ivan Mitchell could have been a Piston got down to Mitchell and they got Ruby 330 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:12.319 Gobert. So they built that thing from that era where they weren't doing so 331 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.720 well. So the experience in doing that, we've seen what Trajan Langdon has 332 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.920 done in New Orleans to help to build that. I think you bring in 333 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.920 guys who understand what the assignment is and they're able to execute on that. 334 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.559 I think Lindsay's going to do it, Michael Blackstone's going to do it. 335 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.960 In Trajan Langdon have the background in the resume to be able to bring that. 336 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.440 What do you like about Langdon? I like his honesty from the very 337 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.319 beginning. He said he doesn't know a lot of stuff. He said, 338 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.720 he acknowledged there's a long way to go in this and that this roster needs 339 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.559 a lot more. He didn't come in trying to blow into any kind of 340 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.960 smoker or tell you something that was not true. He said it's going to 341 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.240 take a long time. They've got a lot in front of them, and 342 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:52.559 this team is very young, and they're going to have some work to do 343 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.480 in free agency in the draft. I like that honesty from the very beginning. 344 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.319 It's not a our salesman. He's going to tell you exactly what he 345 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.920 sees. This is a hard question to answer, but how does he make 346 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:13.480 this a place that is a viable destination free agents? I think you've got 347 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:19.160 to You've got to make these young pieces viable pieces to build around. Jade 348 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.079 and Ivy doesn't strike you as a guy that you're gonna build around. Really, 349 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.440 the only one you could say that is about Kate and to a lesser 350 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:28.319 degree, Jalen Duran. You've got to bring in some other veteran pieces that 351 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.160 say, hey, I want to come here, and it's it's just like 352 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.920 the Tigers rebuild with Plug Rodriguez was the first piece of that. You need 353 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.720 some names and you need some respect that people will look at the roster and 354 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.160 say, hey, this is the place that I think I can come in 355 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.920 and help out and be that other piece that they need. But you've just 356 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.079 got to start at one, and Kate is that one. They're gonna have 357 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.559 to pay him the max in order to keep him around, but you've got 358 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:54.359 to surround him with some other things too. Yeah, and rightfully so. 359 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.759 But look, I mean, people bring up it's a good example. People 360 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:02.200 bring up the Pug Rodriguez. The team didn't turn around really until Jim Leland 361 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:07.880 took over, okay, because Pluge Rodriguez was not a good teammate when Alan 362 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:12.079 Trammell was there as the skipper. So that leads me to this Charles Lee 363 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:16.920 named head coach in Charlotte. Who does Trajan Langen pick as the next head 364 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:22.440 coach for the Pistons? Do you think today? I'm gonna say James Barrego 365 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.920 because he has that same turnaround experience that he's done with Charlotte and he turned 366 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.519 them into a plus five hundred team that made the playoffs, and he's used 367 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:35.119 to working with younger players. This isn't a good cycle where you have a 368 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.920 lot of good names, But maybe that's the issue with the Pistons is that 369 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.319 they've tried to go with the hot coach of the year type guy in a 370 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:45.799 Wayne Casey during that time in Amani Williams. Maybe you need a coach who's 371 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.720 going to grow with the players and doesn't have that name plate where there's a 372 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.640 level of respect, but then there's also a level of I know what I'm 373 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:55.799 doing and you can't and the unwillingness to change with the times and the change 374 00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:00.839 with the roster that you have. In the end, Also that Moni Williams 375 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:05.400 was let go after a year and why do you think it didn't work? 376 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.519 I think it didn't work mainly because he wasn't completely in and he said in 377 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.400 his introductory press conference that it was about I mean, the money is a 378 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.480 number. He didn't want to coach, and you just throw enough money. 379 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.559 Everybody has a number. You throw him that number, and you know what, 380 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.679 I can't turn that down, even if I just got to do it 381 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.719 for the other coaches in the league, because it sets the market for coaching 382 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:31.400 salaries. Also, there was some pressure, probably from the coaching organization to 383 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.320 make sure that you did that, but I don't think his heart was in 384 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.920 it completely and I think the roster just wasn't conducive to doing something. If 385 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:43.320 you had done Manty and you had had gotten a significant free agent, you 386 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.880 may have had something to work with. He just didn't have a good enough 387 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.000 roster to go out there and win this year. So great answer, but 388 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.039 two frustrations with that answer. One is he knew what he was getting when 389 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:58.039 he signed with the roster and couldn't use sense. I mean, as smart 390 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.920 as Tom Gores and his staff are in making the money that they've made, 391 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.079 how do you not sense that this guy's coming here for the wrong reasons. 392 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:13.320 It's not desire, it's financial. How do you not know that? Because 393 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.960 I think in that world, money makes everybody happy. Money motivates everybody, 394 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.079 is the thought. And when when it doesn't, when you're still, hey, 395 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.079 I'm here and I'm collecting the check, but I just don't have it, 396 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:28.079 And you could you could kind of see that in games that he wasn't 397 00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.679 fiery, He wasn't the things that a coach should do, just taking a 398 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:36.400 tech for your player just because he didn't have that fire and the players, 399 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:42.400 I would say, the player since that too. That's really disappointing. It 400 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.679 really is and now he's he's going to get you know what, sixty four 401 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:49.880 sixty five million dollars for not coaching Rod Beard joining us here on XUS and 402 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.800 bros at Debt News. Rod Beard is how you follow him on X. 403 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:58.400 So it's a big night for most teams in the NBA with this draft, 404 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:02.360 and we mentioned how may not be as strong. How do you fix the 405 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:08.320 issue if at all, that guys are coming out before they're ready because you're 406 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:14.079 seeing more and more international players being near the top. And that's fine, 407 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.760 I mean rightfully, so let's go to Victor Weben Yamen did. But there's 408 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:21.719 a lot of collegians who are coming out that many people thought, eh, 409 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.000 he still needs more maturing. Reed Shepherd is a good example. He's going 410 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.239 to be a top five pick. Is that an issue right now or do 411 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:34.119 you think something can be fixed in that regard? No, I think that's 412 00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.239 the system we've created now with even the G League. Even if you get 413 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.639 drafted to a team and you go to the G League, you have some 414 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:44.119 developmental time, but you're on a drafted contract. The money, it's too 415 00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.920 much money and there's too much opportunity to be able to develop. Do I 416 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:52.159 want to be on a college campus now and making NIO money, or do 417 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.000 I want to be on a even a second round pick that might be guaranteed 418 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.320 a million or two million dollars. I'll take the chance and being with a 419 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.239 team and having NBA development over my college shape, right. I want to 420 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:09.199 pick your brain on this. The other day, JJ Reddick was introduced as 421 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:15.519 the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. He came on and somebody asked 422 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.400 him what he was trying to show people basically, and he said, I 423 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.039 don't give a blank. What do you think about a guy who in his 424 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:30.280 introductory press conference uses profanity. Not that I'm a softy by any stretch. 425 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.320 You know that because we're friends, we've known each other for a long time. 426 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.800 But I just wonder about the place and time him using that. I 427 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.960 know you're familiar with it. What was your take on JJ Reddick's introductory press 428 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.800 conference as the lakers new bench boss. Well, I think it just gets 429 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:52.280 attention, and it's in the LA market. If he's going for the Bucks 430 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.199 or the Timberwolves, I don't think that that gets nearly as much attention. 431 00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:00.679 But it's the Lakers and he's a TV guy. So he know him. 432 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.239 You can put that clip on and it's gonna Hey, that's my coach. 433 00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.840 That's he doesn't care about anything. And the attention, well, he's been 434 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.079 caring about the attention for he GE's been for years. So you care about 435 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.800 it or you don't. It got you, involted you to this position, 436 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.840 and now you don't care about it. It seemed a bit disingenuous in the 437 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.199 beginning, but I can see why he was trying to do it. Joe 438 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:27.559 Mozoula is just the opposite, and his team won a championship. When people 439 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:32.719 asked him certain questions he was he was pretty straightforward man. I absolutely love 440 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:37.440 some of his answers, and he's obviously deep in his faith. Do you 441 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.440 how do you view that in the NBA as a guy who's willing to talk 442 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.679 about faith and Christianity compared to others who want to shy away from it. 443 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:52.360 It's refreshing to see because there is a population that really digs into that. 444 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.920 You see in every football game after the game, their players can gather around 445 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.039 in a circle and they pray about things. A chapel. In NFL or 446 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.199 NBA games before the game, they have chapel and they talk and they pray 447 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.679 and they express their faith. It just doesn't really get projected as much as 448 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.960 it should be. Yeah, they do it for baseball too. Before I 449 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.960 let you go, one more thing. Five pick comes up commissioners, they're 450 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:20.280 ready to introduce. Do you think it's a trade? Do you think it's 451 00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.480 a player? And if it's a player, who do you think the Pistons 452 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.239 are taking tonight? I think it's a trade. But if it's a player 453 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.840 in Donovan Klingon is available, I think you go ahead and do that. 454 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.559 The other one I will say is Dalton Connect. Those are the two targets. 455 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:37.000 I would have. Wow, that's interesting, And I hope you're right 456 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.599 because I really like Dalton Connect, not just because he fits a need for 457 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.719 this team, but I think he's going to be a really solid player. 458 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.760 I don't think there's anybody they're going to get who's going to be a multi 459 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:52.360 year All Star. But the Baziula's kid is constantly referred to and linked to 460 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:58.079 Detroit. What if they went that route, what would we be getting? 461 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:06.440 Get some guy with some upside that he can be a three and D type 462 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.440 guy, but uh and and some decent shooting, but it's gonna it's a 463 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.760 project that's going to take some time. I think connect and be effective a 464 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.159 little bit sooner. And even in Clington's case, if he figures it all 465 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.920 out on the NBA level, because big men in the NBA takes some time 466 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:22.480 to develop. Also, if he can figure it out quickly, I think 467 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.119 he can be good. It's good stuff, Rod, appreciate it, man, 468 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.199 you do a great job as always. Enjoy the draft tonight and hope 469 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:30.760 to talk to you soon. Thanks for your insight, all right, thanks, 470 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.639 you appreciate it. You bet all right, Rod Beard that you try 471 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.960 news joining us to talk a little pistons as U and I think we've broached 472 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.920 a lot of different topics able to get not just the draft, uh, 473 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:47.039 but also the you know what tragent Langdon brings, what he's building with the 474 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:53.719 front office, free agency, and how important it is for to try to 475 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.719 go out and get a guy or two. Uh, they've got the money. 476 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.679 And I thought that was an interesting answer when you're talking about Zach Levine. 477 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.519 Really like Kyle Kuzma, a guy who I think is gettable, But 478 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:14.239 Zach Levine I like a lot and I think a lot of people who follow 479 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.599 the NBA would like a lot too. Here's my question about Zach Levine. 480 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:22.280 What kind of and this is the reason I let into Rod with John Wooden's 481 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.960 words about being a great teammate, what kind of teammate is he? Now 482 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:29.960 you may pooh pooh that, but that's I think it's really really important because 483 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.599 some of these young players are so impressionable that the Pistons have. So if 484 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.119 you're gonna bring in a veteran, which is fine, I'm all for you 485 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.119 know that, but it's got to be the right character guy too. I 486 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:45.199 think that's important. Let's hoe Ron Hollin's a character guy because he's the draft 487 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.880 pick. So Rod Beard was close among some of the players that he was 488 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.920 mentioning. 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