WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:06.879 It's gonna be areas of driss and missile, drissed and sent here missed and 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:09.880 rose. I literally can find both. Here's some other great town names. 3 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:19.480 Lets Oh, it's limits linit. I just kept pat, I look it 4 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:24.480 and everything in the house. I'm I got skate, I dropped my hot 5 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:30.839 hockey. I'm petty excited about that sixty nine. That's pretty good. I 6 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:35.960 know you're excited about the wind, but I want that sixty nine. Coming 7 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:42.240 up next, we're Rudy Giuliani's past drag performances, all part of an elaborate 8 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:48.079 sting operation to expose child traffickers. Will ask Rudy himself right after this brief 9 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:58.119 time out Sunday Slopernews o'celly dot com. I'm Chuck o'celly. This is not 10 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:02.520 the Ocelli effect, but it is live here on a Sunday just after nine 11 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:07.200 pm Eastern in what we used to call the USA. My co host for 12 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.760 this one is missus O and she is going to keep it interesting as we 13 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:17.560 go through the themed show for news for the week, the week that was, 14 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:19.799 the week that might be the week that is. I don't know, 15 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:26.879 but here we go anyway, hopefully you'll enjoy this one, I think so. 16 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.280 I'm not sure if it should be titled Crime and Punishment, Law and 17 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:34.000 order, disorderly conduct. I don't know. I don't want to get into 18 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:38.400 a Fat Boys kind of theme here, anybody remember them. It's not going 19 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:41.920 to be nostalgia though. It's going to be slightly more current events. And 20 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:46.480 we'll kick off the theme without telling you too much about it and get into 21 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.640 a quick segment here. And I'm like, I say, playing these things 22 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.719 live, so we'll see how it goes. Well, there's this thing out 23 00:01:53.760 --> 00:02:00.480 there, the Ruby Frankie situation, the YouTube mom, What in the hell 24 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:07.439 is going on? Is it a case again of the state overstepping its bounds? 25 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.759 Is it that, you know, the Internet world of media makes people 26 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:16.800 crazy? Could it be making us crazy, missus O here in the o'chelly 27 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:23.199 house, Because after all, we're part of the Internet content creator ecosphere, 28 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.840 sort of not quite as big as this YouTube momb or anything. But we 29 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.879 are there. Are we crazy yet? Missus O? Getting there, getting 30 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:38.759 there, getting there on our way? So before, yes, before I 31 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:42.719 give people a taste of the Ruby Frankie case in case they haven't heard of 32 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:49.360 it anything, you want to say about this real fast, about this taste. 33 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:58.599 It's it's just if what they're saying is true, it's it's pretty scary 34 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:07.120 that these people were watching her on the internet and her channel and didn't intervene. 35 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.199 See that could be a theme for a future show when people see crazy 36 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:14.960 things on the Internet and don't intervene. Whether it's the guy who's telling you 37 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.319 he's going to go shoot things up, or it's this, or it's the 38 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:22.319 guy who's clearly signaling that he's some kind of petterist. I mean, people 39 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:28.280 signal stuff on time on the social media, antisocial platforms of all sorts, 40 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.879 all day long, and yet a lot of people don't take any sort of 41 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:36.520 action. They don't seek to intervene or anything kill something bad happens a lot 42 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:42.199 of times. Right. Well, I'm not one of those who want to 43 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:46.759 get involved with other people's business and how they raise their children or anything like 44 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:55.120 that, but I will say if there is obvious signs of abuse of a 45 00:03:55.240 --> 00:04:02.639 child, I will more than my step in. Understood that Chile can't defend 46 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.439 themselves, right understood, But you know there's a line there, and there's 47 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:10.800 a difficulty because now you're stuck with well, do you intervene or do you 48 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:13.960 call the authorities? Or what do you do? It becomes a problem. 49 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.720 Anyway, Let's take a little study from just some of the available clips, 50 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:21.519 and I believe we have one. Let's say it says the top six disturbing 51 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:28.720 revelations from YouTube mom Ruby Frankie's arrest. It's from the Law on Crime video 52 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:30.839 channel. So you and I are just going to sit back here and take 53 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.879 a listen to what it is they have to say. Are the top six 54 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:40.720 disturbing revelations from YouTube mom Ruby Frankie's Arrest. May not play the whole video, 55 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:42.879 folks, but I'm going to give you a sample of it, and 56 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.519 the links to all this stuff will be in the show notes for the Sunday 57 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:53.560 Sloper News. So here we go back into the Ruby Frankie case out of 58 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:58.439 Utah. Just this absolutely disturbing story of a forty one year old wife and 59 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:02.000 mother of six who has now been charged with child abuse. In fact, 60 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:08.680 she has been officially charged with six counts of aggravated child abuse. Now that 61 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:14.519 name Ruby Frankie may sound familiar because Frankie was a popular YouTuber. Yeah, 62 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:18.439 she and her husband they launched this YouTube channel called eight Passengers back in twenty 63 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.839 fifteen. It was all about the couple and their children and their lives. 64 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:27.319 Very popular, I believe it had over two million subscribers. The focused on 65 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:30.759 parenting and homeschooling, and it was interesting because Frankie and her husband are members 66 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:34.879 of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and she also appeared on 67 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:41.120 videos with her business partner, Jody Hildebrandt, who founded a life counseling organization 68 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:45.560 known as Connections, previously known as Moms of Truth. Here's a snippet, 69 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:50.439 welcome back to Connections. I'm Ruby, Frankie, I'm Jody hildebrand And today 70 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:56.160 is part three of a series that we are doing all about empowering you as 71 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.720 parents. You are not going to get this kind of empowerment. You're not 72 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.399 going to give this kind of permission anywhere else. And so today we are 73 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:08.120 going to be talking about where we left off, which is am I a 74 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:13.959 controlling parent? Am I a hovering helicopter parent? Am I a Karen? 75 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:18.079 Those are terms that have been put out there by people who are fearful of 76 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:21.279 control. If you have a perception, you know my son comes home and 77 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:27.560 says, so and so is bullying me. And I am a parent that 78 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:32.759 I don't know about principles of truth. I may go to thig and you 79 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.759 know what, I'm starting to get the picture here, And already YouTube has 80 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:40.560 dropped in a commercial into the video, so you know, maybe we'll just 81 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:45.079 stop with that. You get an idea though, that these are independent people 82 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:50.079 saying take control of your children's lives. Mostly what more conservative parenting commentators out 83 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:54.879 there, and I do mean people that just want to comment on everybody else's 84 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.560 parenting. What do they say, Hey, look, you know parents need 85 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:03.000 to take more control, more responsibility. Uh does it work? Are you 86 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.160 a Karen in this way? Are you with this? Are you with that? 87 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:09.519 Lots of common Internet stuff. But look, at the end of the 88 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.639 day, I think that the media is already taking this case and trying to 89 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:17.920 utilize it to what demonize people that you know, are homeschooling, are taking 90 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:24.839 control of their children's lives. They're taking responsibility for lots of this stuff. 91 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:29.240 And what the media does with the case is not necessarily what the court will 92 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.639 do with the case. But anyway, we're going to get into a lot 93 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.759 more of that stuff. And this is what are your what are your thoughts 94 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:39.240 about? You know, what's gone on with this legally so far? Are 95 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:43.600 you aware of the progress of the court case? Because true crime, law 96 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:48.519 and order that this is a primary, a big time function of the well 97 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:54.720 of the internet media sphere anyway, I mean true crime and Internet criminal justice 98 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.480 of sorts. I mean, that's that's a big money maker out there. 99 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.600 I mean it's huge. Everybody's watching this stuff. So what do you think. 100 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:03.879 Is this going to be all about the way it's tried in the media 101 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.360 or are people going to remember this case for a long time or is it 102 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.560 just going to disappear down the memory hole like most things after people demonize the 103 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:22.279 selected groups they want to Well, I think depending on what she's actually found 104 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:28.720 guilty of, it will depend how long it lasts in the media. I 105 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:33.279 think it might. I'm hoping it might wake up some people to not put 106 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:41.840 your children on social media like this. I mean, they're being put up 107 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.360 there for click. Well, you and I talk about this all the time, 108 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.720 the way that people commoditize and monetize their children. Some of them do 109 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.399 it with sympathy bait, some of them do it, you know, in 110 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:54.879 order to really survive, to make a living because their time is so devoted 111 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.919 to the child because they're handicapped in some way, so they put their handicapped 112 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.480 piled up online. You know. Others turn it into a family business, 113 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:09.480 like of course, the very very famous Ryan's toy shows and all that kind 114 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:13.399 of stuff where the whole family got in on the act, right, you 115 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.080 know. So there's lots of different ways this goes. But I at every 116 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:20.120 point, you know, what is my consistent concern. It's like, well, 117 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:26.480 what about the morality of making your children? You know, It's sort 118 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.039 of like if I wanted to give Frankie his own radio show right now, 119 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.639 I could do that. I could, and I don't know, maybe some 120 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.639 people listen to it if I coach him and help him. I mean, 121 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.399 Alex Jones at one point brought on one of his kids at the age of 122 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:45.279 like ten, and it didn't go really successful. But but maybe there's a 123 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:48.399 way to make that viral and make that market and who knows, maybe Frankie 124 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:54.200 could be the most popular talk radio kid ever, you know, just all 125 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.639 of a sudden, maybe they'll start sending him free toys and ask him to 126 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:01.639 promote stuff. You know, the junior survivors kids. I don't know what 127 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:07.279 depends on what he says, you know, but I always I always reflect 128 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.240 on the ethical ramifications of that, and that's something that I think always has 129 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.799 to be considered here. See, it's not just about what the court does 130 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:16.919 and what the media does, But how about the ethical concerns, How about 131 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.399 the real world concerns of this crap anyway, it's not all about the Internet 132 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.120 world. Although the first case that we're going to focus on here, because 133 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:30.159 believe it or not, Internet mom is not the focus of the show. 134 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.840 Well no, but get me just for the listener, just in case they 135 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:41.600 don't know. How this woman and her business partner got caught is the twelve 136 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:46.039 year old son was staying at the other woman's home, the Hilda Brance. 137 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:52.799 Then he escaped out of a window and ran to a neighbor's house. He 138 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:58.240 had death tape on his ankles and his wrists, and he was emaciated and 139 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:05.480 darsty, and he asked the neighbor Christian food and some water. And you 140 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:11.120 know, ultimately that's what led to the discovery of what was going on here. 141 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.600 Wow. So at the business partner's house, one of the kids escapes. 142 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.960 Interesting turn of phrase there escapes and is tied together with duct tape looking 143 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.200 for some food and water. And that does remind me of an earlier internet 144 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.759 case about five years ago. I think it was one of these very popular 145 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:33.120 family game channels. They took it all away. I think it's all been 146 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.279 scrubbed from the Internet for the most part, but there was a popular family 147 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:41.399 gaming channel where it was discovered that the parents were like withholding food from the 148 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:46.600 kids if they didn't perform on videos and all kinds of stuff. It gets 149 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.080 very very weird. It sounds to me like you can be a Hollywood parent 150 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.320 nowadays without having to go to Hollywood and wreck your child star's life as you're 151 00:11:54.360 --> 00:12:01.200 creating your child's star online all do it yourself at home anymore. Huh right. 152 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:03.200 Yeah. So look, I'm not saying I'm on her side. I'm 153 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:07.120 not saying I'm on anybody's side here. What I'm saying is I think we 154 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:13.320 should consider all sides of this and hopefully the legal the legal system. The 155 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.679 legal system. Is it lawful? Is it really legal? Well, your 156 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.919 experiences may vary, but what they decide to do with it, and what 157 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.480 the media does with it could be entirely different things. Anyway, let's turn 158 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.279 our focus to the first major case so we don't spend too much time on 159 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.200 these sidebars. The thing is last, well, when did the Murdock case 160 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:39.000 kick off? Tell us about the Murdoch or Murdoch case, right, involving 161 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:43.679 a family, a guy who's going broke and apparently, you know, can't 162 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:50.399 afford things and is ripping off people making insurance claims. At some point, 163 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.799 maybe a housekeeper died, I mean weird stuff. No, no, no, 164 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.600 that was a different case, the housekeeper. Sorry, no, there 165 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:01.840 was a mother and son that died and and this guy goes on trial for 166 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:03.759 murder. Tell us about how that case was. You know, when did 167 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.919 that start? What should we be aware of there? With the low Country 168 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.240 case there in South Carolina, which is the low hanging fruit here, because 169 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.440 pretty much of you served the Internet in the past year, you saw something 170 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.519 about the Murdock case. So tell us a little bit about that. Well, 171 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:31.879 that was the attorney from Mina who's his family basically monopolized the court system 172 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:39.000 for well over a hundred years between his grandfather and then his father than himself. 173 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:46.840 We're all involved with that part of the I can't remember what position he 174 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.440 held. I should have looked that up first, so I apologized, But 175 00:13:52.000 --> 00:14:00.120 basically he Alec Murdoch is serving two my sentences for murdering his wife and his 176 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:09.320 youngest son. And they're saying that it's because he was sealing money from the 177 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:16.200 clients, that he was winning cases for it, we helped funds his were 178 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:20.879 saying, prescription drug addiction, you have to have one heck of an addiction 179 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:28.320 to be stealing millions of dollars for your your percoset. Well, you know, 180 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.919 I guess it does depend on how heavy your percoset addiction is. I 181 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:37.320 suppose. I mean it's easy to spend hundreds of dollars per day that will 182 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.240 add up. I guess it could well. And let's let's just pause here 183 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.879 for a second, because there's a lot to this. You're talking about the 184 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.679 local solicitor, and when you said they monopolize the court system, well it 185 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.519 goes a little further than that. They seem to have an influence on a 186 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.360 local level. U. They were one of those powerful families locally. If 187 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:58.320 you think hard to a place where you grew up, not just you, 188 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:03.919 missus, obe, anybody listening you could probably remember a powerful family that had 189 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.919 political influence and had a lot of money in the town that was treated differently. 190 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:13.200 This is like the exemplar of that in this little patch of South Carolina. 191 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.840 That was the state, right, I say, that was the state 192 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.039 where they wielded all this influence. And this guy was a prominent lawyer and 193 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:28.360 the son and grandson of prominent lawyers. So this is the continuation over generations. 194 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:33.320 Indeed, looking to hand things off to his kids. It looked like 195 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:37.399 until yeah, he hit a snag here, Matt nasty drug addiction, he's 196 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.840 going broke, he's trying to, you know, keep the lid on all 197 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:46.679 of that. And then there's well, this thing gets crazy because there's an 198 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.759 alleged suicide attempt where he hired a guy to shoot him. I mean, 199 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.159 it's just wild stuff. And anyway, let's play part of the clip for 200 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.200 it, just to familiarize people. And I've got more than one clip for 201 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.600 this, but I think we'll with for the sake of time, just this 202 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:07.080 exclusive one because just this week again now he's been convicted, but we have 203 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:14.600 an allegation of jury tampering, now not by the defendant but by the defense 204 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:22.399 and making the allegation against who the clerk of the court, right, and 205 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:27.039 what was her name again, Rebecca Hill? Becky Hill, Yeah, Rebecca 206 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:30.519 or but you know, I see Becky Hill everywhere. I'm assuming she likes 207 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:34.480 to be called Becky by all counts, nice lady and everything, but she 208 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:40.840 may have had undue influence on the jury. So with that, we're gonna 209 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:45.559 go too ready for this one the Today Show and get a bit of a 210 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:49.240 yeah the Today Show on YouTube's clip, And again, I won't be playing 211 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.360 the whole thing, although I could. It's only two minutes and something long, 212 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.279 and I think I might have snipped off the very beginning of it. 213 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.039 But let's go to it and see what it is they tell us about the 214 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:06.519 latest developments in the Murdauds trial. And by the way, there's been multiple 215 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.559 documentaries produced by this, I think one on Netflix, one on HBO, 216 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:14.160 Max or max now, all these different places all about it, headline news. 217 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:18.559 It was a big, big deal. So again from NBC's Today Show, 218 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:22.440 here's how they reported on it. Let's see what day four days ago, 219 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.000 only as it is, we're well, let's see, we're on the 220 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:32.559 tenth day of September twenty twenty three, so four days ago would have been 221 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:34.039 the sixth day of September. And this is what they had to say on 222 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:40.480 the Today Show this morning. An exclusive new legal twist in the case of 223 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:45.279 convicted killer Alec Murdoch. His attorneys are demanding a new trial, accusing the 224 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:51.680 Colton County Clerk of Court of jury tampering. We never considered the likelihood has 225 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.680 reported to us by the jurors that the Clerk of Court would go in to 226 00:17:55.759 --> 00:18:00.599 the sanctity of the jury room before he testified and tell the jurors don't be 227 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.920 fooled by testimony. That was one of the lawyers for Murdo there at a 228 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.680 press conference. Just for the record, now, we'll go back to the 229 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.359 reporter and Swarren. Affidavits from two jurors. Murdock's attorneys detail multiple instances of 230 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:18.079 what they say was improper conduct by Clerk of Court Rebecca Hill. According to 231 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.920 Murdoch's legal team, Hill allegedly told jurors, y'all are going to hear something 232 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.920 that will throw you all off. Don't let this distract you or mislead you. 233 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:32.519 Hill seeing outside the courthouse after the verdict acknowledged by prosecutors for her work. 234 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:36.240 I want to thank the Calfin County Clerk of Court, Becky Hill, 235 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:41.559 and her entire team. The defense motion filed Tuesday also alleged Hill asked jurors 236 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:45.039 for their opinions about Murdoch's guilt or innocence, pressured them to reach a quick 237 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.079 verdict, and invented a story about a Facebook post to remove a jurse she 238 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:55.640 believed would have found Murdoch not guilty. Jury tampering by a clerk of the 239 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:00.079 court would be something very rare and very dramatic. Shortly after the trial, 240 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:04.400 three of the jurors appearing on Today, telling Savannah and Craig they didn't believe 241 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:10.559 Murdoch's emotional testimony was genuine. He knows, she said, went to turn 242 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:11.680 it on and off, So I think that we were kind of able to 243 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.480 read right through that. Months after the trial ended, Hill co author to 244 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.880 tell all book about her experience on such a major case, called Behind the 245 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:25.440 Doors of Justice, The Murdoch Murders. NBC News has reached out to Hill 246 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:29.160 for comments about the new allegations and have not heard back, but she told 247 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:34.079 Court TV they were untrue. Guilty verdict in March. Murdoch was found guilty 248 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:38.359 of murdering his wife Maggie and his son Paul in twenty twenty one and received 249 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:45.200 two consecutive life sentences. According to his lawyers, he still maintains his innocence 250 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:51.359 and if that is true. So there we have it. That's a pretty 251 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.880 good wrap up on it. But it's interesting we now have a court reporter 252 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:57.440 allegedly with a book deal. Now what's funny. He is consistently in the 253 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.240 media. They've been talking about how this was going to be lucrative and everything 254 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.640 else. Sad facts though, if you actually dig into it a little bit, 255 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.559 is that it was actually self published according to the co author, the 256 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:12.039 person who did the writing work. You know, when you often have somebody 257 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:17.039 who's part of historical situation, they'll often bring in a co writer or a 258 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:22.680 ghostwriter according to the writer really involved in the project. They spent thirty grand 259 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:27.799 to put the book out anyway, so they're looking for major returns. And 260 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:33.839 the ironic part is this controversy, or as they say in England, controversy 261 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:40.079 would be helpful to them recouping their thirty grand and selling their book and everything 262 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:44.799 else. It's a weird wild story that keeps getting stranger and stranger. Now, 263 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.079 if the allegations are described as they were in that Today Show report, 264 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.359 it's pretty significant you got a problem here if she was, you know, 265 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.559 putting her thumb on the scale in favor of the prosecution or in favor of 266 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.279 anybody. First of all, it's a no no to do that. You're 267 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:06.839 influencing jurors and et cetera, et cetera. I mean obvious. And it's 268 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:11.079 not like it's her first day at the rodeo, so weird, wild story 269 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:15.039 that could get that verdict overturned, et cetera. And is it legitimate? 270 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.680 All legitimate? Is it? How is it being spun in the media? 271 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:22.279 Well, again, stay tuned to the murder trial, right, so missus, 272 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:27.359 Oh, what do you got to say about this? Well, I 273 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:37.319 think that doesn't the judge determine if disease actions would in fact have changed the 274 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:44.880 decision anyway. I mean, it doesn't take away that the evidence that he 275 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:48.119 did but he did well not the trial judge. What will happen here is 276 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:52.119 a judge on appeal look at this and they could send it back to the 277 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:57.359 trial judge to review, or they could simply vacate the verdict, depending on 278 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:02.400 what higher court they go to. There's a lot of different possibilities in this 279 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:07.200 process. It could be that, regardless of the evidence, his trial was 280 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:11.359 unfair. See that's the thing. It doesn't matter what the evidence says, 281 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:17.839 if they conducted an unfair trial, if people were unduly influenced, and anybody 282 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:21.839 who gets a good look at this and has the power to issue an edict 283 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.839 about it could turn around and say something. I mean, even the governor 284 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:30.799 of the state could turn around and pardon him, just because they have the 285 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:36.519 executive power ability to pardon somebody, and they could just pardon him and say 286 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:38.799 they pardon them because he got an unfair trial. It could be overturned on 287 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:41.519 appeal. A higher court could look at it and say this needs to be 288 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:45.160 done again. Either retry him or set him free. These are your choices. 289 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:52.039 There are a lot of possibilities that could occur here if indeed these allegations 290 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:55.400 are true. Now, the other part about this thing, which is not 291 00:22:55.519 --> 00:23:02.599 in the Today Show report, is that the book itself could be self incrimination 292 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:07.599 produced and sent out into the public, which means you can't plead the fifth 293 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.200 on behalf of the book. If she memorialized any of her activities that show 294 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:18.279 that this stuff is true and happened, she may have automatically and who knows 295 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.559 what her actual motives are. She could have automatically given an excuse to vacate 296 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:27.200 the conviction, etc. And again, remember this was an influential family in 297 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:33.559 this state. So could it be and here's my conspiratorial mind. Could it 298 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.480 be that this was the intent all along to set up a circumstance by which 299 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.960 the prosecution couldn't win no matter what they presented anyway, because it would have 300 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:47.000 to be thrown out? Or is it that they decided that we're sick of 301 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.920 these people being in power and being boss hall here in South Carolina, it's 302 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:55.319 time for them to go. What is your thoughts on that possibility and where 303 00:23:55.319 --> 00:24:08.960 this could go? Missus Oh, missus Oh, well, with that, 304 00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:14.000 the Sunday Sloper will take a break and maybe I'll get missus O's thoughts on 305 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:17.880 the possibilities of what the intent of this might have been or could be. 306 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:25.839 I'll get her to speculate on the other side. Oh, it's gonna be 307 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:30.720 areas of driss and missile drissed and what am I saying, here miss and 308 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:33.920 Dross, I literally can find both. Here are some other great town namest 309 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:44.240 Oh it's limits, lin, I just kept heating. I'm looking at everything 310 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.680 in the house. I'm I got skate, I dropped my hot hockey. 311 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:56.039 Excited about that? That's pretty good. I know you're excited about the wind. 312 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:03.400 But at that sixty nine coming up? X or Rudy Giuliani's past drag 313 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:08.839 performances all part of an elaborate sting operation to expose child traffickers. Will ask 314 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:27.480 Rudy himself right after this brief time out Wall Streetdow dot Silver, the stock 315 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:34.519 market, Wall Street, Window dot com. 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Yeah, because there's a lot of false promises. There's fools, 325 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.440 I can't we better not say and be polite, but there are no 326 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.079 false promises at the Ocelli dot com Radio network. And that's exactly it. 327 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:55.039 It's truth the point, Why to the point, and this would straight to 328 00:27:55.079 --> 00:28:02.440 the point Ocelli Ocelli dot com. This and now they says you'll give it 329 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:07.559 from and a fish and you'll feet in front of day. You'll get into 330 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:22.039 it the fish you'll give in your given all right, Mike, So we're 331 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:33.359 gonna happen marbecue weather or with meat up there. Oh that's glazing, that's 332 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:45.640 hype a little bit more now, I love those mean starting out for a 333 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.039 full look at your forecast with astro and maybe we can condodle before you get 334 00:28:49.119 --> 00:29:02.440 into it to bout we're not gonna be cannuling cod shot Sunday Slopernews o'chelly dot 335 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:08.279 com, the one hour or less news magazine via the audio stream and back 336 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:14.000 to it the Murdoch case, missus oh I brought up the conspiracy possibilities. 337 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.880 I mean, could it be she's leaving her thumb on the scale trying to 338 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.680 intensely get him convicted. Could it be the intention to convict him? Look, 339 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.200 I can't even get it out of my mouth. Intention to convict? 340 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:32.279 Did she intend to stress convicting him or did she try to sabotage the prosecution 341 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.960 so there would be an out a way to get somebody out because maybe she's 342 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:41.119 still loyal to the very powerful Murdoch family Murdoch, Murdaw depending on how you 343 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.359 read it, what's the deal? I mean, they are definitely gingers, 344 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.839 you could judge them that way. But let's get to it. What do 345 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.359 you think about those conspiratorial possibilities from the clerk of the court and where this 346 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.319 all might go at the end of the day. What are your thoughts on 347 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:03.799 the possible motivations or motives by this individual to influence the case. Well, 348 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:10.599 I think she might have gotten caught up in the fame of the of the 349 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:17.160 case. I mean, it's a small little little town there, and we 350 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:22.759 don't have cases like that coming into this court system down there, And here 351 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:30.440 we are with one of the most powerful attorneys in South Carolina on you know, 352 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.759 trial for murdering his family basically, and then you know, all the 353 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:41.640 fact and everything. I think that it was the case maybe of getting a 354 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:49.160 little too into the fame of it all, if that makes sense. I'm 355 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:55.000 explaining it right like I think that. Don't listen, don't worry about how 356 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:56.160 you got to explain it. Let it go, because you know what, 357 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.799 we got a lot more to cover anyway. So bottom line is, I 358 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.599 guess we're gonna have to stay tuned and find out what the motivation is. 359 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.720 Your thought might be a little different than mine so far, though. It 360 00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:11.319 could be just all about doing a judge edo getting carried away with the fame, 361 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.160 kind of like the Oja thing in the way distant past nowadays, you 362 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.079 know, Okay, grandpa got it? Okay, Boomer, Yeah whatever, 363 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.680 And I'm not a boomer. I am not a grandpa yet, but either 364 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.079 way, you know, I know I'm getting old. So speaking of getting 365 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.720 old, though, let's turn to the next major story in the basket here, 366 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.119 and we do have major and minor stories to cover, so we're going 367 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.440 to try and get to them all. Fascinating one, how about we get 368 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.880 to something that might sound familiar and yet not so familiar and escaped prisoner and 369 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:47.880 another murder trial. But this is different. This is not Ted Bundy escaping 370 00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:49.559 into the woods and coming back, you know, three, four or five 371 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.839 days later. Looks to me like we've got one eleven twelve days now that 372 00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.400 this guy has been on the run. This cabal Conte not to be confused 373 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.440 the de Cavalcante family of New Jersey, who may or may not have been 374 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:07.759 a partial inspiration for the Sopranos as a mob family. No, this guy's 375 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:13.720 not even Italian, but is a convicted or accused murderer. I forget which 376 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.000 he was being housed in one of the prisons, and he made an interesting 377 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:21.680 escape that we have now been treated to the you know, the video of 378 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.519 it, the question and a guy has now been put on administrative leave who 379 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:30.160 was allegedly in the guard tower with the god's eye view of the prison yard 380 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:34.440 that this guy escaped from with a rather curious they're calling it a crab walk, 381 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:39.400 but really it's just a pressurized walk between two vertical surfaces that people instruct 382 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:43.920 you to do in dangerous situations, when you're stuck in an emergency, etc. 383 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:46.880 All that happened but he snuck out of the yard, got through razor 384 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:53.200 wire, has now disappeared into the wilderness allegedly and has been cited many times. 385 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:58.680 And what we have for you guys to hear from is the latest on 386 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.359 it. And missus owill get into a better explanation in a moment, but 387 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:07.720 let's get the latest, because after all, the law enforcement people had to 388 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.920 come out and do it press conference earlier today, I believe, And this 389 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.359 one comes from one of the Fox affiliates, all right, so again I'll 390 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.400 give you all the links, all right in the show notes here for the 391 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:24.839 Sunday sloper, but one of the Fox affiliates there in Pennsylvania. And this 392 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.079 is how law enforcement describes the current status as they're looking for this guy. 393 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:35.480 And there may be updates that have even occurred since we have gone live here, 394 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:39.440 because there are live streamers following the search, et cetera, et cetera. 395 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:44.160 You could access it right now. You could pause us and go take 396 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.400 a listen. And some of this might be dated information if you're hearing the 397 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.039 podcast, but otherwise I've got it as up to date as I can. 398 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:55.240 And here we go with a portion of that press conference earlier today. Sometime 399 00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:01.079 during the evening of September ninth, Cavalcante stool at twenty Ford transit van from 400 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:06.880 an area approximately three quarters of a mile from the perimeter we were maintaining near 401 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.480 the Longwood Gardens property. The keys had been left in the van and the 402 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.800 theft was not noticed until PSP canvassed the area looking for a possible stool and 403 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:22.039 vehicle after a report of a sighting of Cavalcante in the East Pikeland area. 404 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.400 It was determined Cavalcanti used the van and traveled to that area. At nine 405 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.960 fifty two pm, he attempted to contact an individual he had known and worked 406 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:37.960 with several years prior. Cavalcante spoke with the individual via a video doorbell at 407 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:43.760 that residence and inquired about meeting with that individual. The individual was at dinner 408 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:49.440 with his family and did not respond to meet Cavalcante. Cavalcante left that residence. 409 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.679 The homeowner eventually returned home, reviewed his doorbell recording, and called local 410 00:34:54.760 --> 00:35:01.000 police. PSP received a call about this sighting and the next at twelve thirty 411 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:07.719 in the morning on September tenth, twenty twenty three. This was our first 412 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:12.320 indication that Cavalcante had been able to travel from the area of Longwood Gardens. 413 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:21.400 Wow, Okay, sorry about the noise there, because in which Cavalcante appeared 414 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.440 at a residence of another old work associate at ten oh seven pm. Okay, 415 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.559 I got a little interruption there because they had to splice together. They 416 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:34.840 lost broadcast for a moment. The update on the escaped inmate there in Pennsylvania 417 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.320 going on while Fox News was broadcasting, and they must have lost the live 418 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.239 feed for a moment. It's interesting because this is part of the details. 419 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.840 The guy has gone back into an area, tried to contact old acquaintances, 420 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:51.679 etc. And there have been many sightings reported all this stuff going on. 421 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.840 I guess if you're voyeuristic and trying to keep up to things, or if 422 00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:00.000 you live in the area, you might be glued to this particular event and 423 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.440 what's going on. But what do you know about this, missus? Oh? 424 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.159 What does the listener need to know? In case it's like I never 425 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.119 heard of this guy, I don't know anything about it. Let's just say 426 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.400 I haven't been on the internet in the past week and none of this came 427 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.679 up anywhere. What would you explain to people about this case, what's going 428 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:22.199 on, what's happening, and of course this is more on the punishment side 429 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.360 of things. What happens. Clearly he was being watched about as well as 430 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.920 Jeffrey Epstein and except oh wait, they have no cameras or what happened to 431 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:37.320 Epstein. We have cameras of Cavalcanti leaving, and we have ring doorbells allegedly 432 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.239 showing him showing up in places and sightings like he's big Foot out in the 433 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:47.840 wilderness, but no capture as of air time. And again another stay tuned. 434 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.280 Is he in the area? Is he not? What do you know 435 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:57.920 about this so far? Missus? Oh well, some disfigured people and idea 436 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.320 of who this man is in case they don't know. I can't imagine somebody 437 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.239 not knowing. But he's a thirty four year old Brazilian nationals here legally. 438 00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:17.440 On December twenty twenty, he his girlfriend it's the kind de Brandeia filled out 439 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:25.400 an order protection against him. April eighteen twenty one, he basically stamped her 440 00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:31.639 thirty eight times in her backyard in front of her two children, and then 441 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:42.480 he fled. He was later arrested in Virginia and brought to back to Pennsylvania. 442 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.800 He killed her because he was afraid that she was going to turn him 443 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:55.400 in for the murder and that he committed in Brazil in twenty seventeen. So 444 00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:00.119 what you're telling me is this guy was attempting. He's done a lot of 445 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:06.119 stuff to try and evade getting caught or getting held or whatever, because he's 446 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.760 got a murder case possibly against him in Brazil. We don't necessarily have all 447 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:14.599 the details on that, but I'm sure some intrepid reporter out there we'll get 448 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.639 into it. So he's trying to evade that, probably told some woman he 449 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.320 knew, some acquaintance a little bit about it, then thought better of it. 450 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:27.039 Oh, I might have to silence me another secondary witness, and there 451 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.760 you go. So now that leads to him being incarcerated here in the US. 452 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:37.159 And is this not one of those well dog whistle issues? Is this 453 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.679 not one of those things everybody's supposed to be completely freaked out about it at 454 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:44.880 all times? I mean, after all, weren't we told that MS thirteen 455 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.719 was pretty much everywhere? And oh, by the way, now I'm being 456 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:52.159 racist because I'm tying this guy to a Latino gang even though I don't know 457 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.039 if he's got Latino gang affiliation, But why not, let's do it all 458 00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:01.440 because it does tick and check a lot of boxes for the media, and 459 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.559 the it bleeds. It leads business, that is, and not just because 460 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.440 it's on Fox, by the way, but this is certainly conservative dog whistling. 461 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.760 This is certainly be afraid, be very afraid. Oh, by the 462 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.360 way, law enforcement will be in your area, Stay in your homes. 463 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:21.760 Maybe don't send your kids to school. This is all sounding rather familiar, 464 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:28.920 and it's one escaped prisoner, one escaped dangerous convict. What are your thoughts 465 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:30.760 on the coverage of this and the way it's being handled? You got any 466 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:36.280 on those? Well, well, it is pretty intense. But I did 467 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:43.800 find earlier is movies ring doorbells. He did happen to break into one of 468 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.159 the homes, and the man and his wife were upstairs, and he heard 469 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:52.679 a noise and he told his wife, you know, you know, be 470 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.239 quiet, stay still or whatever, and he flicked the light on and off 471 00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:02.639 right, And then Cavalcanti was downstairs in the kitchen and he turned the light 472 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.840 off and on, letting him know that you know, I'm here, and 473 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:15.400 he laughed, I would have died. Now there's somewhere that man is in 474 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.960 my home. Yeah. But here's the thing. Here's the thing, though, 475 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.880 it depends on how shady you are, right, I mean, if 476 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:23.920 you and I are familiar with let's be let's be blunt, honest. You 477 00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:29.599 and I are familiar with somebody who we know is U is a killer, 478 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.800 a thief, a dope dealer or whatever, it doesn't matter. We know 479 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:37.079 them, and we figure we're in the safe category. We might be willing 480 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.800 to deal with them. And this is a weirdness where there's like this signaling 481 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:44.280 going on. They never actually spoke, but you know, they're letting him 482 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:45.599 know, Hey, somebody's home, and he's letting them know, yeah, 483 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.239 I'm still here. He walks out without a word, almost thinking, well, 484 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.280 look, if I don't tie them into it, I don't have to 485 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.599 kill one of my so called friends. This is a friend. Well, 486 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:58.199 I don't know if they knew each other or not. It doesn't say that. 487 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.440 Well, but that's the see, that's the suggestion here, there's some 488 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:08.000 suggestion of familiarity because there's other stories out there too, where another couple apparently 489 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:13.920 we're out to dinner somewhere and got alerted via these ring doorbells. Once again, 490 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:16.840 the surveillance state you know at all times, here's the hidden signal in 491 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:22.119 the story. Be very grateful that there's surveillance everywhere because we're able to track 492 00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:23.400 this guy. We can't catch him with it, but we can at least 493 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:28.760 find out where he was and give you something new to work with because of 494 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.480 all the surveillance. And look, he hasn't been in a convenience story yet 495 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:35.280 that people know of. He hasn't been to a lot of other places that 496 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.119 are generally thought of to have cameras out there. But be grateful for the 497 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:43.519 giant industry of home security because all those cameras, whether you put them up 498 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.599 yourself or high or a company, those things, hey, they might save 499 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:52.119 your life. I mean, ADT just got themselves a huge and all the 500 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.960 other companies that could be recognized as I need a damn camera around my house 501 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.599 just got themselves a huge piece of pre average tizing here. Right. Yeah, 502 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:06.719 So there's that. And meanwhile, it's always a good story when there's 503 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.280 an escaped conduct on the loose, you know, jokes, movies, a 504 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:14.119 whole lot of things begin with this and I don't just mean you know that. 505 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:15.639 What was that movie with Harrison Ford in it? It was based on 506 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.760 something else kind I can't remember the name of that movie. You remember it. 507 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.880 The guy is on the run Richard Kimball the fugitive, right, and 508 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:29.920 they're using the word fugitive, but not too often they're they're generally just talking 509 00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:35.559 about the escaped prisoner, so you know, which is at all times that's 510 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.239 a fugitive. Somebody's running from the law. Got a lot of those common 511 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:45.280 you know NBC Crime show sort of elements that could come together to make I 512 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.239 guarantee there's a movie being planned about this already. By the way, even 513 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:50.800 though they haven't even caught him yet, he could be dead. He might, 514 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.480 you know, wreak further havoc. We don't know. Stay tuned on 515 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:59.360 that. It's still in progress, right, missus. Hum, well, 516 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.800 he did well walk out of the house with an apple and some snap. 517 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.800 Well, you know, being wandering around in the woods and trying to evade 518 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.159 other human beings because you're not sure who's gonna get you busted or turn you 519 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.440 in or maybe turn a gun on you themselves. In a rural port of 520 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:16.840 part of Pennsylvania, believe it or not, a lot of people think, 521 00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:21.599 well, there's not many guns in Pennsylvania. I assure you there's plenty of 522 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:28.079 people with all sorts of hunting implements in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is not as anti 523 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.199 a gun place as a lot of people think. Now you go to Philadelphia, 524 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:35.119 it could be an anti gun place, which is funny because that's where 525 00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.719 I'm going next. But anything else that we need to know about this story 526 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.400 as it's already in progress, missus o, and we are pressed for time, 527 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:44.800 do you have any other thoughts you need to add to this one? 528 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:51.559 No other than you know, these running circles around law enforcement and maybe they 529 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.199 see they catch them and must them to be ricon or something for our military. 530 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.079 So far, right, so far, it's looking interesting. So with 531 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.400 the last portions of the show, we are going to cover just one more 532 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.400 thing that does link to this in a rather curious way. Let's stay in 533 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.280 Pennsylvania. Why Well, because one of the other things that's going on that 534 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:14.400 we're not going to comment on much, We're gonna talk really quickly about a 535 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.440 police shooting, which is another element of law enforcement and the interaction with the 536 00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:21.719 public. Et cetera, et cetera, as well as the media coming into 537 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.320 play here, and something that I usually talk about. Have zero sympathy for 538 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:30.360 the police personally me that is, I know a lot of you feel sympathy 539 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.039 for the police, but I default to the cop probably did the wrong thing 540 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:40.199 if somebody who wasn't actively trying to commit a murder or injure that police officer 541 00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.239 directly wasn't actively trying to do so. At the time, a lot of 542 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.079 people are killed in police interactions, I know, nobody wants to hear it 543 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.079 anymore. And oh my good. He's like a member of Antifa. No, 544 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.760 no, but who knows, maybe I would join if it was not 545 00:44:54.079 --> 00:45:00.840 a federal you know, sort of provocateur agency, creation, fabrication, etc. 546 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.480 There are real Antifa, but the Antifa you see where people are getting 547 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.880 together and they have nice uniforms and all that. Yeah, those are Feds. 548 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:12.079 But let's get back to real law enforcement and what's going on there. 549 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:15.760 There is one police officer and we're gonna take this one from the law on 550 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.239 Crime channel who surrendered in the same state of course, Philly though this time. 551 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.519 So now we go to the city real quick and whoops, I have 552 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.599 the wrong clip. Cute, but we're gonna go to the city and Mark 553 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:32.039 Dial is the guy. And this is from two days ago, after bodycam 554 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:37.760 footage was released in the Eddie Issurie. It looks like it's pronounced Issori. 555 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:43.119 Maybe I'll get corrected here. He's surrendered on Friday morning and it's Sunday as 556 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.079 I speak to you. So let's go to a not the law on Crime 557 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.000 channel. But how about this one of the channels I used to watch when 558 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:53.760 I lived in Jersey, CBS three, which is a yeah, a CBS 559 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:58.800 affiliate out of Philadelphia. And if you're in South Jersey, sometimes you get 560 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.599 a lot of Philly channels and sometimes you get Philly in New York both. 561 00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:06.599 But quite often you would have had access even back in the seventies if you 562 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:08.800 were in the right spot in Jersey. Jersey's a little place you might have 563 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:13.559 been watching CBS three, even if you just stuck your rabbit ears up in 564 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.960 the air. So let's go to this officer, Mark Dial, facing murder 565 00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:22.199 charge in Eddie Isori shooting. And this is how CBS three reported it. 566 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.440 Let's start out with that breaking news. Mark Dial, the Philadelphia police officer 567 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.280 who shot and killed Eddie Irosori, has turned himself into police. CBS News 568 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:36.239 Philadelphias Howard Monroe is live in South Philadelphia for US with the very latest. 569 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:40.000 Howard Morning, Lacomart's huge en. Yes, Mark Dial, he walked into 570 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:44.280 the first district about an hour ago. He was with his lawyers and also 571 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:49.039 the president of the Philadelphia FOP. Now he also was here. The reason 572 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.199 why he is here is because this is the officer involved shooting investigation. We 573 00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.280 can presume now that he is inside being questioned. Now, this is the 574 00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:00.559 video of Mark Dial walking into the district here earlier on this morning. It 575 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.119 was about eight o'clock this morning. He's they show you him and a group 576 00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:09.559 of guys walking in his slow motion that interaction was describing the interaction camera half 577 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.519 was released by the family's lawyer. Initially, police had Irizari lunged at police 578 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.360 officers with a knife, but that story later changed and we then learned that 579 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:22.280 Irasari never got out of his car. After that shooting, Dial was reportedly 580 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.800 not cooperating with the investigation. He was suspended for thirty days with the intent 581 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.559 to terminate. His lawyer said Dial and his partner thought they saw a gun. 582 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:35.000 They also said that Irasari made an illegal turn in his car moments before 583 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.119 that interaction with police. Here's his attorney, Brian mcmonagle, fearing that he 584 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.039 was going to be the next police officer killed in the streets of Philadelphia, 585 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:47.360 he fired. What's telling in the video is that his officer dial is firing, 586 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:53.119 He's taking retreat, He's trying to retreat and trying to find cover because 587 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:59.119 he believes the individual has a gun. In no world, in no world, 588 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:04.679 is those facts murder. We intend to write this wrong. This decision 589 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.760 today puts police officers in peril at a time when they're dealing with perhaps the 590 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.400 most violent time in our city's history. We intend to write this wrong and 591 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:16.400 bring him this young man at home now. The District Attorney does have a 592 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:21.519 news conference schedules for eleven thirty later on this some morning. We are told 593 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:23.679 that he will announce the charges that Mark dal will be facing, and also 594 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:28.719 were told that he will be releasing the unreleased body Kim video of that day. 595 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:30.679 Will be sure to follow this story for you throughout the date today. 596 00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:35.840 In the interest of keeping this rolling, I gotta say, look on one 597 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.159 side of the equation. You have a situation here which is rather typical. 598 00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:43.360 The police officer was justified. Of course, police are under pressure, don't 599 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:45.119 forget, they want to go home. All of these things are true. 600 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:52.199 And is there an unmitigated, absolute ridiculous circumstances police officers being murdered in the 601 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.239 streets of Philadelphia, Well, that perception is out there as to whether it's 602 00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:00.920 actually happening as a common occurrence, as yet another story, but sort of 603 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.679 surprising a lot of people would say that the liberal media is even willing to 604 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.159 give that side of the story. It looked to me like a guy through 605 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:13.800 a closed window was shot and killed and got to squirm around for a little 606 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.039 while afterwards. He had knives in the car, but none in hand, 607 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:22.280 and wasn't posing an immediate threat to the officer. He had, however, 608 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.440 made the immediate threat of the illegal turn or whatever the hell. The justification 609 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.519 was for a traffic stop, which is often the insighting event that leads to 610 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:35.079 these things. So you could probably tell where my opinions going. But you 611 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.840 know what, let's not linger on the opinions so long and get a book 612 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.119 end to this. What do I mean by a book end? Well, 613 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:45.039 how about something where the situation might be similar and it might go on the 614 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:50.679 same shelf because it's a similar sort of situation. But we have the bodycam 615 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:54.400 from a Colorado officer who was involved in a situation that I do want to 616 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:57.440 talk about a bit, but I want to give you a taste of what 617 00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.800 was going on here during this event. In this case, a Colorado Copp 618 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.679 is according to the headline, and this comes from the Law and Crime channel. 619 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.400 I misstated earlier about the other one that was CBS. This is Law 620 00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:12.599 and Crime and again all the links I'll include with the show notes. But 621 00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:19.639 Colorado Copps swiftly reacts shoots woman who allegedly pulled gun during traffic stop. Here's 622 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.320 some of the body cam and possibly some reporting from the Law and Order channel 623 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:27.199 if I let it roll for a minute or two. Next, Adams introduces 624 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:35.639 Jess to the other officer before making a bizarre remark about America. This is 625 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.800 Jess is my best buddy, Mark. How are you? How are yok 626 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:45.119 right? It's steering wheel, it's her Birthday's America, West America. Yes, 627 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:53.599 here's my phone. Okay. Next, Adams can be seen holding hands 628 00:50:53.679 --> 00:51:01.760 with another officer, who appears to be comforting him. Seconds later, another 629 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:07.360 officer instructs Adams to turn off his body camera video. I've got the gun 630 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:13.360 in my car, starts market tigre gunward us or leave it in my car. 631 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:25.079 It's in the cupholder. Okayf Durand died as a result of her injuries. 632 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:30.519 As the investigation is still ongoing, Adams has been placed on paid administrative 633 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:37.360 leave her department policy reporting for Long Crime Network. I'm Sierra Llespie. Okay, 634 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.840 So that gives you a taste of the aftermath of the shooting. There 635 00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:44.639 is bodycam puttage out there of the shooting and the weirdness of the event. 636 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.320 But here's the funny part to me, and this is a rare occasion to 637 00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.519 me, I don't blame the cop propening fire on somebody who was being unresponsive, 638 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.480 appeared intoxicated. He asked several times if she needed help. He was 639 00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:01.000 asking if she had been intoxicated, trying to assess the situation and had a 640 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:07.880 virtually unresponsive female who was, you know, still in motions, still animated, 641 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.760 not passed out, but facing the wrong way in a lane in front 642 00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.559 of the other driver, which, by the way, he's going to check 643 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.360 on that other driver because one of his bullets careened off the windshield of the 644 00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.800 other vehicle. All right, shots were fired, and you do see this 645 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.599 guy, literally in real time, have an emotional breakdown. It appears as 646 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.199 though it's not something he was out to do. He wasn't gunning for it. 647 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.199 He wasn't you know, Oh my god, you're ready to take somebody 648 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:37.079 down. The odd comment about America look loose, chatter and people trying a 649 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:42.039 virtue signal to one another in public is commonplace. I don't know why the 650 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.880 reporter found that strange. It's not at all. This is not a strange 651 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:51.800 situation, and is a situation in which a police officer might have, despite 652 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:59.639 the undeniable, seemingly undeniable desire to not engage in this activity, was sort 653 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.360 of back into a corner and had to do what he had to do so 654 00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.800 he could go home, so others could go home. Who knows how dangerous 655 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.800 this woman really was. She did have a gun. She wasn't answering too 656 00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:13.719 much, except she did say no, I don't want the ambulance. But 657 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.199 outside of that, this was problematic. Did you watch the bodycam footage missus, 658 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:22.199 Oh he did, you did, so you're aware of it. And 659 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.719 this is you know again, I think I presented two very different cases. 660 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.320 One situation where a guy I think, you know, initial look at it, 661 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:36.599 unjustifiably killed this kid in Philly. And yet this Colorado officer is trying 662 00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:38.440 to do his job, is trying to look out for the well being of 663 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:42.800 everybody on the scene, according to what I can see from this, and 664 00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.800 uh, you know, ends up in a situation where unfortunately, his default 665 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:50.800 needs to be to defend himself. Now, could he gotten out of it 666 00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:53.599 without shooting the lady? Maybe? Is there any more to this? I 667 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:59.920 guess we'll have to stay tuned, but a really unfortunate crap situation for all 668 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:01.599 involved the way I see it. What do you see out of this? 669 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:06.639 Real quick before we get to the final story on the Sunday Sloper this week? 670 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:13.239 Well, I think that this cop is one of one of the good 671 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:20.239 cops who you know, isn't a bully. So I feel bad for him. 672 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:27.119 I think he was really genuinely affected by that whole encounter. I mean, 673 00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:30.199 it does sound legitimate when he breaks down at one point, he starts 674 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:34.239 to cry, he starts apologizing to the people that witnessed it that he wants 675 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:35.960 to make sure about. You know, hey, look, I know a 676 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.039 bullet struck your vehicle, as anybody hurt. I mean, a lot of 677 00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.960 that is going on here, and this guy seems to be caught in just 678 00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.920 a bad situation where he's trying to do an honest job as a cop. 679 00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:50.559 I know, I don't say that much, but frankly, look, I 680 00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.239 mean I got my reasons. Doesn't matter what they are right now. The 681 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:58.360 fact is that you know, the killings, the shootings, these kinds of 682 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:02.320 things in police interaction other cop ends up dead or a civilian does, are 683 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:07.800 still too frequent in occurrence, and you know, something needs to be done. 684 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.599 Yes, And I don't stand on the side of anybody killing anybody, 685 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:15.400 especially if they take it as a justifiable reason simply because they have a badge 686 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:17.880 and they may have been bullied in the past. But it is part of 687 00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:23.760 the symptomatic illness of our time with law law enforcement, things that are legal, 688 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:30.480 lawful orders, and people allegedly enforcing law that don't know any law, 689 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:35.480 et cetera, et cetera. So anything you want to just drop on this 690 00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:43.360 one, or should we move along, fair enough, but we here at 691 00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:45.840 the Sunday sloper on Ochelli dot com or not done. We've got about another 692 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:52.360 ten minutes and we're gonna use it. So you give it from and you'll 693 00:55:52.400 --> 00:56:02.719 feed in front of day. You give in to give him, oh Chili 694 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.159 dot com ahead, call on, I'm interested in the truth about the day 695 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:08.159 of a assassination? Right, Well, what do you want to know? 696 00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:14.199 Judy Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriend who knew Ruby and Barry? Answer weapons? 697 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.159 Really? I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. It doesn't make 698 00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:20.679 me a wagon. But okay, Oswald was on the job and trying to 699 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:22.840 prevent the murder of John Kennedy. Come on now, has a real effort 700 00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:28.159 on the day's accomation. Go into her claims. Go to Amazon dot com 701 00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:32.199 enter Judith Baker in her own words. You'll get results for a digital copy 702 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:37.000 of a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words and the known evidence in 703 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:42.880 the case to get at well a different perspective. Let's say you can get 704 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:46.440 Judith Barry Baker in her own words from the author himself, signed if you 705 00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:52.599 request it by contacting doctor Brown at KIA s jfk at aol dot com. 706 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:58.679 It's a fun book and it actually dissects the many, many fantastic claims. 707 00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:01.440 Judith Arry Baker, in her own words, thank you for all the great 708 00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:09.400 information Over the last two years. Hundreds have landed in the Summit County Medical 709 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:14.119 Examiner's office. My brother used to break in our house and steal the TV, 710 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.199 but now he's dead of some rain. I will be moving into our 711 00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:21.280 area. Did you grab anything? We did not have to draw. Nothing 712 00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:25.639 but two turteen old pizza out of the frigerator and my dog gaming, and 713 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:29.719 we left. That's it. I tried to grab some other things, but 714 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:38.639 they wouldn't even work. Check your pennies about one hundred seventy five thousand rice, 715 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:45.599 I think that's working pantstrings. I didn't warn you before I saw it. 716 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:52.519 I warn you that wasn't The seventy five thousand rice and slow cookers are 717 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.400 being recalled, and do the fire at the Electric Shock. The War State 718 00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:01.199 by Michael Swanson explains the great national transformation that took place and put the Kennedy 719 00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:07.320 presidency in the context of the times, and reveals never before published information about 720 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.599 the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not have been assassinated if he had 721 00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:15.199 been president two hundred years ago. His assassination took place in the context of 722 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:20.239 the Cold War and the rise of the national security state. Before World War 723 00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.360 II, the United States was a continental republic. In the decade that followed, 724 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:29.079 it became an imperial superpower. Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted 725 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.760 to invade Cuba, but knew that there were short range missiles on the island 726 00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:37.280 armed with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy because they were on mobile launchers. 727 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.519 Their invasion could have led to a Third World War, and they wanted 728 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.199 to go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson reveals why and 729 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:50.000 will show you what President Kennedy was up against. For more information, the 730 00:58:50.119 --> 00:59:00.280 War State dot com. Some words from Harland Now they started l only two 731 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:04.920 faced wine, no good motherfucker's huns around here, holding the Bible white as 732 00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.039 a weapon, hits a shield. You know, I can remember, it's 733 00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:14.480 just like this whole trench stuff, okay, and the gay lesbian Lysten. 734 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:20.360 I can remember back two thousand seven, two thousand and eight. And by 735 00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:23.679 the way, a lot of these people hates people like me more then they 736 00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:28.679 do the liberals, because you're exposing the fucking gimmicks to con you know, 737 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:31.920 they're sitting back, you know, all these gay people and I all these 738 00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:37.119 taggets and fagets, this faget that this is exactly what's the column. They're 739 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.679 like, okay, they're they're going to hell. They need to be stoned 740 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.559 in the street. And look two years later, okay, like at that 741 00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:49.039 time when I'm saying, fuck, let them get married, I don't have 742 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:53.719 to listen to that shit. Know. A couple of years later, you 743 00:59:53.840 --> 01:00:00.039 know when Obama started talking about I think this was in twenty fourteen, about 744 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:06.559 taking the you know, the tax exemption away from them if they didn't start 745 01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:08.599 including knowledge people. Next thing, you know, it went from Stoneham in 746 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:14.039 the Street to love His Love It sing his singer. You know, it's 747 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:17.760 amazing how that works. And then you know, little Johnny was coming in 748 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:22.480 down here church on Sunday and he's been out sucking dick all night and on 749 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:27.719 Saturday, we gotta be nice to him because mommy and Daddy might not drop 750 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:31.360 none down here in the fucking complete collection place. You know, I made 751 01:00:31.440 --> 01:01:51.320 bullshit, but he was expressed like caller school, is there anyone else who 752 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.360 happens again on the air or Chilly dot com is not necessarily replying he views 753 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:57.480 at or Chilly dot com or Chulo Chelly And we are not responsible for any 754 01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:04.119 stupidity, which wine is stupid. Thank you. Over the last two years, 755 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.320 hundreds have landed in the Summit County Medical Examiner's office. My brother used 756 01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:12.679 to breaking our house and steal the TV, but now he's dead. Some 757 01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:15.320 rain that will be moving into our area. Did you grab anything and look 758 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:21.639 at the jow have nothing but two tortinos pizza out of the fridgerator and my 759 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:24.519 doggie and we left. Let's it. I tried to grab some other things, 760 01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:34.599 but they wasn't even worse. Check your panties about one hundred seventy five 761 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:39.679 thousand rice, and I think that's goos be pantries. I've been't warn you 762 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:45.480 before I saw it, and I warn you I'm about one hundred and seventy 763 01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:50.119 five thousand rice and smoke cookers are getting recalled. And do the fire at 764 01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:54.239 the electric shock. That's right. Check your panties, get out with your 765 01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:59.039 doggie and your tortinos pizzas and smoke them if you got them. The Sunday 766 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:04.000 Sloper is back again live on Ocelli dot Com, but you could be hearing 767 01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:07.000 the podcast further on down the stream, et cetera, et cetera. With 768 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:09.960 the last segment and a little bit of time we have missus O let us 769 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:15.119 now get to the business of the Shaw Business trial. What is that about? 770 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:22.719 It is the most delicious story. It's it's messy. Pardon don't pardon 771 01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:28.880 the pun. It's messy, it's a sloppy, it's a wholly hellified horrifying. 772 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:31.840 Anyways, it is what it is. Tell us about Shaw Business. 773 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:38.400 Well, we're gonna say the craziest one to last. Kalush the business is 774 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:43.559 a twenty five year old woman from Green Bay, Wisconsin, who was son 775 01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:50.119 guilty of murdering and dismembering her lover, twenty five year old Shad Firons. 776 01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:58.119 He straggled them to death while engaging in sexual intercourse uh while they were both 777 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:02.480 under the influence of meta ampetomy and prescription drugs. When she was done with 778 01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:06.719 them, she strangled them and dismembered his body, left his head and his 779 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:12.119 genitalia in a bucket at the bottom of the stairs in the basement for his 780 01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:18.360 mother to find that lovely absolutely anyway this but people might say, wow, 781 01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:21.559 that's a wild story in and of itself, But there's more to it. 782 01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:25.960 You want to tell people about the more to it? Or would you like 783 01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:28.760 me to do the honors, because there is a lot more to it, 784 01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:32.679 real quick. Else, she drove around in her minivan with parts of his 785 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:39.360 body in a crock pot box, so the arrested her, and then in 786 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:44.400 court she attacked her attorney. Yeah, so I'm assuming that the parts she 787 01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.400 was driving around with were different from the parts she left for his mom to 788 01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:50.920 find, right yeah, yeah, yeah, continue though an anything else you 789 01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:54.480 want to add or shall you know, let me know whenever I'll pick up 790 01:04:55.280 --> 01:05:00.159 from there. She was arrested in Shorge, first degree murder, mutilated the 791 01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:05.519 corpse in third degree sexual assault on July twenty sixth of this year. Jerry 792 01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:13.480 convicted her on all three counts and her sentencing will be September twenty six Right 793 01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.320 now, there is a whole lot more to this story. You did mention 794 01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:20.440 that she attacked her lawyer during the trial, right, yeah, Okay, 795 01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:26.280 did you happen to mention the rest of the weirdness. I mean, apparently 796 01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:30.079 she decided she was so excited that she had to take time after the main 797 01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:35.360 event, so to speak, to go ahead and pleasure herself alongside while cuddling 798 01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:40.000 with canoodling if you will, you know, just like that clip canoodling with 799 01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:45.039 or at least part of the corpse apparently. And there was also a time 800 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:49.760 during this trial proceeding that which started well a few months back. But again, 801 01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.400 like you said, the sentencing is going to come up on the twenty 802 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:57.639 sixth of this month. But she U Yeah, she spent a little bit 803 01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:01.079 of time doing a lot of things. And even in addition to attacking the 804 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:06.199 lawyer, there was some question as to her sanity. They had a whole 805 01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:11.159 hearing about her sanity and found her sane. Uh you know, he purpose 806 01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:16.800 is standing trial, but show business and all of her business guidelines. Are 807 01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.480 they facing her sanity on for crying out loud? Well, if you are 808 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:25.719 not insane enough to get on that plane and you're not going to spain, 809 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:31.440 what the hell? It's it's pretty outrage that psychologists I really do, right, 810 01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:36.039 And they they found her they deliberated for let's see, okay, According 811 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:41.320 to one of the reports at the time. A Milwaukee based psychologist who evaluated 812 01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:45.360 shaw business for more than an hour in November of last year found her fit 813 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:56.320 to stand trial. It wouldn't surprise me. Well something of frenic, something's 814 01:06:56.320 --> 01:07:00.159 wrong, I'm just saying. And there was a whole question as to who 815 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:02.760 this was. The mutilation of the body, I mean, as per usual, 816 01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:08.400 the abuse of a corpse, I mean, wild, wild stuff. 817 01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:11.880 And meanwhile, I got a whole other story that we didn't even get to 818 01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.519 here, but more to come out of this thing. Yeah, she literally 819 01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:19.599 attacked her lawyer. There's tape of that out there. There's bodycam of her 820 01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:26.159 arrest, which is pretty curious. Of the cup down in the basement, 821 01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.480 I mean that poor kids. I don't think he's ever going to be okay. 822 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:33.880 Again, well, some people were traumatized just by being around and having 823 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:39.400 to witness the crime scene. Indeed, this is pretty gruesome, pretty crazy. 824 01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:42.679 And you know, anybody finding curious to this again, I mean, 825 01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:46.880 what is in the water in Milwaukee, because damn uh you know, this 826 01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:50.000 is the home of Jeffrey Dahmer and many other cases. If you go and 827 01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:53.480 look at it, a lot of bizarre activity. I mean, what the 828 01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:58.360 hell is wrong with Milwaukee, just asking, you know, asking for the 829 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:03.559 rest of America. Why is this happening in Wisconsin. Yeah, so there's 830 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:10.920 that to consider. It wasn't some beer company in Milwaukee. Well they're their 831 01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:15.079 headquarters, is there. Anyway, We're gonna include some articles, video clip 832 01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:18.079 and all that to the show business business, if you will, and and 833 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:23.199 they'll also include here, I'm gonna play you a little audio, no commentary, 834 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:28.039 I think here, but little audio of what just seemed to happen spontaneously 835 01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:31.439 in court. Uh during the course of this trial. Again we talked about 836 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.520 the attack of a lawyer, which is pretty odd, her lawyer at the 837 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:39.439 time anyway, getting physically jumped on, and then the bailiffs having to pull 838 01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:43.159 her off and all that while she continue to fight with him. So here 839 01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:45.800 here's a little bit of just a sample of snippet of the sound from that 840 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:54.079 event. Very quiet at first because the judge is reading, there's nothing much 841 01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:59.880 going on. The camera turns away and turns to the judge paper Russell, 842 01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:06.199 and boom. She is on her attorney and a court officer is attempting to 843 01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:11.920 drag her away and contain her. She's continuing to kick and thrash and bang 844 01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:27.279 into chairs. Rachel call there was an edit there in this video where they 845 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:31.279 finally got her calm and sitting up against with her back against the door, 846 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:36.520 watch breaking news, and they take her away in shackles and all that. 847 01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:41.520 The shackles in front of her, uh in the orange jumpsuit, et cetera, 848 01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:45.439 et cetera. She's now barefoot because she's kicked off her likely county or 849 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.840 prison issued flip flops. You know, she's not even dressed recording none of 850 01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:53.520 this. It's one of those situations. Look, normally, I focus on 851 01:09:53.680 --> 01:10:00.680 how the justice or alleged justice and what justice is system runs over most people 852 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.760 in general, and that is a valid thing to bring up. But as 853 01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:08.479 per usual, there's always what if. Paul Harvey used to say more to 854 01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:13.479 the story, And indeed I was going to get into this other thing where 855 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:17.399 a woman was arrested in let's let's get the state straight here. I think 856 01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:23.399 it's in Washington, and I'll just give you the headline and maybe I'll include 857 01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:28.000 this with the show notes too. I meant to cover woman arrested after allegedly 858 01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:34.399 hiding avocados size plastic sandwich bag full of various drugs in her vagina. This 859 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:40.479 might qualify as some naked news, except while she was committing the crimes she's 860 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:45.760 alleged to have occurred, or alleged to have committed, she wasn't naked, 861 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.720 but at some point somebody had to get her naked in order to retrieve the 862 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:55.680 avocados sized plastic bag. So it's not an avocado but an avocado sized plastic 863 01:10:55.760 --> 01:11:00.359 bag. And again it's a ginger, and again the law enforcement interaction begins 864 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:05.560 with a traffic stop after somebody catching some sketchy activity and thinking she's a drug 865 01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:11.920 dealer, which apparently she was. But you know when women do have these 866 01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:19.000 uh built in storage areas and they sometimes Anyway, I was gonna have missus 867 01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:26.199 no comment on that, but guess what, the Sunday Sloper is done. 868 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.880 So I've gotten enough trouble with vaginas, so we'll just keep it fair enough. 869 01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:36.720 Apparently no sand in this one, but the sloper will continue live on 870 01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:45.560 Ocelli dot com next week. Over the last two years, hundreds have landed 871 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:49.640 in the Summit County Medical Examiner's office. So for missus, O, for 872 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:55.359 myself, and for the imaginary people producing the show. I want to thank 873 01:11:55.399 --> 01:12:00.680 you for staying tuned, and very very very soon coming right next live on 874 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:04.600 the stream will be the Age of Transitions with Aaron Franz. Keep listening Joe 875 01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:09.079 Chelly dot com Radio, because we're gonna try and keep it interesting. What 876 01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:15.680 about thanks, missus, Oh Patties one seventy five thousand, wife, I 877 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:21.039 think that'sposed to be pant streams. I couldn't warn you before I saw it. 878 01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:30.359 Warn you, man, that wasn't the seventy filled that drist And what 879 01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:33.000 am I saying here? Miss and DRIs, I literally can find both. 880 01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:45.239 Here's some other great town means it's Linus Linus. I just kept me ducking 881 01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:49.520 and everything in the house. I'm a gusty. I dropped my hot hockey 882 01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:57.199 excited about that sixty nine. That's what he does. L you have said 883 01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:01.159 it about the wind, but at that sixty nine. Coming up next, 884 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:09.239 we're Rudy Giulietti's past drag performances, all part of an elaborate staying operation to 885 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:14.199 expose child traffickers. Will ask Rudy himself right after this brief time out, 886 01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:30.319 oh Chili dot Com