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walk away. Right now. We are here after the IPL Classico as
they call it, starting with this you know see that I'm asking you both
a question. Yeah, did you expect that move bi ind insight to be
beaten at the one kiddy, especially after what they did to RCB No scene,
man, see, I was expecting am I to chase down whatever CESK
posted. Fine, but am I being am I under Hardig and Boucher and
especially also the disc intelligent trio, the bowling change that he made. We
alsow what happened? Then Amazoni mania hit one day it was it did not
feel like Mumbai are playing at their home ground. Yeah, it was feeling
like Chennai match and it is all chippuk CSK escape reiberating everywhere. And then
Amazona comes hits those three sixes, runs away, gives the ball to the
spectator and you know the best part for me of that match. I don't
know what it was. Saaskar rant. Sulaaskar went on a rant throughout the
mid innings and after the match, even till today morning day when were shooting
the podcast. He was going on and on and on and on. Do
you see merit in that? Like did he step a line? As in
like any bowler can be hit. Anya was hit by DONI it's not like
okay, dony him before the match that he bowled those three loose balls.
I know it was an outburst of emotions. Sonska called himself a Momba Indians
fans on live commentry h and then he went after hardg Pantia. Was that
okay? Yeah? I mean for me it was completely fine because Hardig Pandia
made a lot of mistakes. And you know when Snaskar and Kim Peterson were
talking after the match, Yeah, Peterson made a very good point which we
have already made it on Slaging Room that Hardwig Pandia is faking his smile.
He is not happy, he is getting affected by those moves across the stadium
wherever he's playing, but just to give up put up a brave face.
He's putting on a smiling face. You can't be doing that except you know,
when Rishapund is playing, you could see that he's seem losing. Schumann
is irritated. San new Zasen was irritated when they lost the only one match
on last wall. But hardg Pantia, Oh okay, they have a man
who is guiding them. What is this? I know? What was more
surprising for me that man did not mention a single word about Roma or Boomra.
It clearly seems a days of fraction in that team. Hello, I
mean no oneas cross Hilarius. He said, woke up, he bought some
loose ball, got it and he was fine. Yeah. And more importantly,
Gauzka did say that it is ordinary bowling and ordinary Captaincy Mumbai did not
choose to bowl their spinners against Shivam Duwe throughout the middle lovers at a point
when their bowlers fast bowlers were getting hit for thirteen fourteen runs over. You
could have slowed down the game. And one of the biggest problems I think
for am I bowling yesterday was that they did not start with Boomra. We
have seen what Trent Bolt and randre Berger did against am I in the first
four overs of that fixture. That could have set the game up for you.
But once again you have decided that clearly Bomra is not worth giving the
new ball, So let me do my things. Yeah, and you know
what, when Nabi is not being utilized properly as an all launder, why
are you not playing one? Every other cricketer has got a chance. Apart
from why, I was asking you the same question in art you also right,
yeah, yeah, why Romrio Shepherd? Yeah, Nabi is going to
give you those three hours of spinn spins. Why have ro Mario Shepherd at
number eight when you already have how many how are packed batting line? How
many finisher do you need? You have tilerg vermay you have got Tim David?
Why do you do Shepherd? Why don't you send in a bowling attack
because that am I bowling attack Apart from Boomera, it's trash, absolute trash.
Boomra is the one who's making it look good. Yeah, he's been
doing all the job, either picking up wickets or stopping the flow of runts.
Like Brittley pointed out on the Man's Day, I wouldn't blame Hardwick for
opting to bowl that over. That was gutsy from him. He didn't want
to expose a youngster who was getting hit already. But it happens here.
Why be so critical of her Padia whatever he has done, like you give
three sixes in last over and when the operat is MS, it happens.
It has happened to so many boers and MS was charged up clearly yesterday,
probably played his last match at the one to day so and and coming to
what Karen Pollard discussed in the press conference right to give a little context to
our viewers and listeners, Karen Pollard was asked a question about Hardik Pandia's tactics
and all that. Honey immediately bluesteam saying that you know, I'm sick and
tired of all this. You know if you ask me personally, Hark is
not the first captain who is being pointed fingers at when you are the captain,
when you take up that question, when you take up that responsibility of
a huge franchise, like am I be prepared to take questions from the press.
That's a great point and that is where essentially where the frustration and the
criticism comes when Pollard chose to answer these questions yesterday. I also thought that
number one, it was a brave question. Whoever from the press asked it,
it should have been asked. Pollard went on and it did not go
on a rant, but took a very analytical approach of what was happening behind
the scenes and how that comes on to how that reflects on the pitch.
If that would have been the case with am I from the very start taking
questions on letting speak, letting speak, things would have been much better.
What has happened is that you have removed a number one, a five time
winning captain, and then it seems that you have put up a barrier like
a like a film in front of you where where where you can't see who
the real coach is, who the real captain is? What's the process behind
the scenes? Is the team? Where is the team dinner? My director?
Director lost ray? Is that man who let him along with made that?
So Bartonship, is he still the team director? Or have you been
that? I think he is, but I'm not seen him. I read
only statement and my website. Yeah, but yeah, so you see the
point why hard they got slammed and Yesterday was genuinely the first time when I
thought there was a little emotion from the Mumbai Indians team where they realized that,
yeah, things have gone bad, but we will stick to our processes.
We won't blame our captain. We will find out what's going on.
And you know what, they can't even blame their captain because it's not just
the captain who has made a mistake. The entire team management, the ownership,
the team owners, the team management, the people who take the creating
incisions. They all are responsible for this fall because am I always are a
slow starter, but they know how to pick and wind to pick because knew
what to do what not to do. Last is also you know who experience
was. He had a shocking he had a yes from MP as his main
spinners, but still he managed with batting mark you there, he's still there,
but she's nowhere in the team. Was the superstar last time, brilliant.
No scene for Nao this time. So this is a collective failure.
It's not just Hardwig's failure. And yesterday it peaked in the middle, like
just getting into the final overs of the game, where am I dug out
wanted to take a time out. The batters either did not see it or
did not want to take a time out. Hardig Panda gets dismissed after a
horrible knock, very short knock, but a tiresome knock. And then when
Pollard, Boucher and Team David have come in, they're having a discussion with
h and the David, the other batter, Hardig sticks around. He's just
standing there looking gazing at the other people. What are you contributing? Or
just gotten out yesterday? And that Bill it was the first time that Roy
and Hardig were batting together after Harvey became captain. I did not see any
counties between those two. There's no communication at all. Rose slowed down,
he was not able to hit. I think he scored seventeen or seventeen in
the last five six hours. Yeah, very bad, very bad, very
bad. Hard Theik played a very very poor knock. And you know what
I have seen of Hardig. You know why Hardick should be blamed. Why
Hardig is rightly being blamed when in that game agains SRG. If you guys
remember am I were on track of that chase. Oh yeah, there's some
horrible twenty four or twenty Hardik actually derailed them. He's a captain, he
should be the man who should be doing something good. But he's not doing
good and then you lose a game. Okay, finally lost the game.
It happens. That is not a problem. What do you say in the
postmatch comments they have a man who rides them how to bowl? They use
the boundary. Well, oh, come on, it's your home ground.
You are the captain a man who was a five time champion. I played
champion. This was the same AMAZONI who was leading in three four finals.
But on those finals. Yes, what is wrong with you now? You
don't know to use you know? That brings me to this question. So
kisuk. We always spoke speak about recent form and all that. When Sancho
Sampson is involved in the okay, what has he done in the last ten
matches? When Richa Pant is being discussed, what has he done in the
T twenty ODI formats? Whether we are mixing formats. But when talking about
Hardik Party, I know he is a permanent fixture of the TNAT World Cup
squad. Looking at his form, especially his bowling form, does he deserve
a spot in the T twenty World Cup In terms of If you're asking inform
recency bias, then even with whatever he has done, what has he does
in as a humble watcher of the game, I'm asking you, is he
a Verard Collie or a road Sharma? No one, and you know what
is nobody? My biggest concern is a lot of cricket. Simon dul and
Lice have pointed out that Hardwick does not look on hundred percent fit when he's
bowling. Yeah, somebody from the team management. I don't care what am
I doing. I'm more worried about in dingraded. Somebody from Indianty management should
talk to him. Marussia is there, whoever wants to go and talk to
him, says his fitness properly, because this one does not go to n
and he trains on his own. He does everything on his own. Please
properly go and talk to him. Because every time he's going to going and
coming back from he's playing thing for matches getting injured. Even the World Cup
World Cup he got enjoyed midway couldn't play because of that. There was a
lot of combination issues. If if Hardy gets injured, as you're saying,
like if Umba, I do want to rest him because he's obviously a key
fixture in the Indian team going into the T twenty World Cup. Do they
have a designated vice captain? I don't think so. I don't think so.
Then I don't take from like for like replacement. Yes, that is
my question. Is he a permanent fixture in the T twenty World Cup squad?
Not for me, I'm not a got firm. I'll what his witness.
He is not one hundred person fit and more than physical fit, is
not mentally fit. Right now, I'm not coasting his mental balance. But
whatever is going through all the booze and everything that is happening, Peterson was
right when he said that as a human being, you have emotions, you
will get affected, and he's not acknowledging that in public. He's smiling,
Oh, everything is fine. Oh come on, please heard the panda for
once. Be real, except that you are going through a bad phase,
loving bored. You know what? For that, Pollard said a very important
thing yesterday. Pollard said that I think this is the time, and he
also brings the right back the same thing that these people are going to be
playing a T twenty World Cup in the next six weeks. So this is
the time that we put a hand around their shoulders and try to lift them
up because at the end, if this hate against Panda continues or whatever whatever
what you were saying that his mental health is affected, I think Mumbai,
I just want to shelter it, at shelter him at this time. And
Paulard did mention that Pandia is one of the greatest all round us to have
ever played for India, which I agree to. And for me, he's
definitely a fixed in the tent. This does not work for me, simple
because am I are not shielding him. They have exposed him. They are
shielding their own selves at the start of the season, the owners, they
have shielded themselves. They put Hardy to face everything. Hardig is the one
who's facing everything in public. There going back and you wanted the captain cy,
okay what someone if you are getting do you not ask you want to
tea I am the captain. I am staying it comes in from some other
other team. He says, Actually, I know your captain has helped even
fact, that is what I want to become captain. So desion that with
you. You know what, Actually I was talking to my father in law
today morning, and we were talking about the same thing. This thing.
So he he told me, this is this is where a person with loyalty
matters. He's he saying. He talked about me only that if you get
a better offer from some somewhere else, the first responsibility that you should have
is that you have to go to your manager and you have to be honest
with him that listen, I have got this offer. Yeah, maybe you
cannot match my salary, but you know what, I love working with you
guys, and even if you give me some of that, I am willing
to stay with you on live television, on live radio. Can you guys
put down? Is that how we look at this? But maybe it's a
it's a message to you about loyalty. It is it is that is what
I'm your father in law. That is what I was saying. So maybe
he wants you to be what are you guys saying? Man, this is
going to be going live on the website. Hell my, My simple thing
is very it has to be very very clear. A lot of captains are
feeling in this has not been able to find his playing eleven Schumann gil on
some games. He has been off and on. Okay, and as you
are now going on losing it and they've lost two matches, the captains have
come out and accepted that they are feeling the pressure, the burnt. Why
can't the one day to do it because he has won an IPL No one,
None of these guys who you mentioned one. This is not how it
works. The greatest captains ever to Grace Cricket, when his team loses,
he comes and accepts the blame. He says, things are not working out.
We are trying. This man is just don't ask him about his retirement.
You want him to retire. You want him to retire maybe, yes,
time to okay, so he's not a let us clear that. Yeah.
Yeah, but like you said, emotions, You want the real emotions
out there right, be the real person. Because fans have no tickets,
fans have gt We like that about. Yes, he approached his game,
that is what I'm saying. Yes, fans are invested in the game.
The mind tickets not to see your pr bullshit. They have spent time.
They have come with their families to see their team. Traffic in which city
they are? I remember that somebody was speaking when Schumann gil fought with kind
of had a tussle with them by over that white you know from one of
those commentators I don't remember the name said it. I'll tell it on you
that it did not look nice because he might get fine. But this is
what being a captain should be. You're leading a team. The passion should
be there as simple as you walk out in the middle of the y and
ask passion. Yeah. Yeah, obviously playing the game against and he asked
for and he gets to know. Of course this is passion, so hard
start doing that, start dictating terms to be you know, to come back
to the point like I particularly don't see him in the T twenty World Cup
squad if he continues playing like this, yes, yes, because you should
be there ahead of any But he's playing, but he's bowling. See,
the only aspect was his bowling. But if he's like sort of mention,
if he's not fit, if he's probably pushing himself when he's carrying a nigol
or something like that, we don't know, but if it from from the
outside, it looks like that because you want that. You know, it
is odd that Hardik Panta does this, you know, because Mumba is possibly
the best place where he can execute the roles that he executes in the Indian
team. You have coats, are you have boom they can care take take
care of power playing death. There you do your middle over thing. But
no, you know why I agree with Sulasshi hard Panda because Harley Panda has
been very very I mean I will not use that word, but I will
say he has not look natural media away and most importantly, his do not
make any sense. On some games he bowls the first over. In some
games he does not bowl some games. Is the last war? What are
you trying to rule? At least know your role floater in the bowling line
up? Yep, definitely, you know coming back. So we have got
comments that we aren't discussing a lot of teams that deserve to be discussed,
right, Yes, yeah, So you know a lot of people wrote off
r R after that one defeat Rajasthan Royals right when they slipped, and but
they now have bounced back with another win that game. Yes, some managed
to win that game. So is it probably there he is this time?
No, because my simple idea of our is they have the greatest team in
the cyple right now. One of the best spin tacks. The first brilliant
attack is ferocious. Their batters are inform a part from you also come infirm.
But their team management is doing something or the other thing every other match.
I don't know what they're up to. Why are you? How does
scodion open for you a couple of big scores for trophy? So you actually
him as a replacement of a spinner. You do not give him a single
over and then he comes over for him for him to be in that playing
level, you made an impact player. But then he did not blowl a
single over and then he comes to open and he had almost overstayed his welcome
as an opener. Okay, and if not for that the last you would
have lost that game. Yeah. Well, I think one of the worst
tri creits ever uh played out in the first six overs. Batter was battered
more than twenty twenty or something like that. You know, after after the
toss was happening. I was on my way back home that day Robin Cinema.
He was explaining AND's ability, how he can how people who are aspiring
off spinners can look to take the place of rsh Win because R is not
going to continue forever. So he was thinking. I was like, okay,
excited to watch what he does, and then he doesn't get over Yeah,
and then he comes to open the exactly. So Samson has given Kotia
and the Stewart benea treatment that Tony gave and you know AAR have always come
up with these things and they failed to win a title. Rushman has opened
for them in the past, has opened for them in the past. George
Butler is opening for them decisions. Yeah, so that form. You know,
AR has a great team. Yeah, a very national captain, a
cool and calm captain who is doing his job as a battle He's not very
good behind the wickets. Are pointing fingers at Kmar for these misadventures. Yes,
why not? I mean you are the actor cricket. You are the
man who responsible for the cricketing decisions up with Sandue Sampson. So what is
your and that explanation of Sandy Sampson ashen the pseudo captain of that team.
Sure, because the way the way they are trying and testing things, it
looks like somebody is doing some other explain to make it look very very like
our podcast. But you know what, Kotian was the worst player that they
could have filled in the opening person. I've seen him in Raji. He
is not good enough to score rapidly those runs, but he's good enough that
he doesn't get out. He's there, he's there, exactly. You have
a tall batting lineup because of players like this. He let him send him
to back someone like that, to anchor similar players at the top twenty four
of that. This is how fans Yeah, yeah, but do you really
think both of you are asking what are the chances of our winning this winning
the season? I don't know about winning, but I'll definitely keep them at
number four or number five. It's not about It's not about winning and losing
for me. Now. They're exciting whatever they do. If thee yes,
But I do I like you if you if you ask, you know what
punains have done in past six days. Let us give some context to our
viewers listeners. So before the I Will starts, there is a captain's meet
which happens with trophy. Okay, the one is not fit, I think,
so they send in I Will put the tweet nine captains when one wise
captain. We realize that this is the new captain and is a vice captain
of Pains. Fine, what a great news for because he had done very
well for the team. So finally are doing something out of the box.
They are actually helping and awarding a player who has done well for them.
Yeah, finally they are doing this. Then comes a point where she is
injured. Who works out? Hootos Sam Kurran? Okay, he's there.
We all are baffled. Why is the vice captain not leading the tide?
Then they lose the match in the last four and then comes who is what
is his position and whatever? He is the main man? There he comes
and he's asked the same question. Why did not captain? Who is?
You know? Sam Karran was not here, so we had to send someone.
So we sent him. We never named him wise captain, un serious
franchise, What is wrong with you? Then second thing, they have got
two very good Indian uncat players as as so ASTs. He has proved that
he reserved to be playing level, not as an impact player. But what
happens is he's again as an He comes as an impact in one of the
games, he didn't get an opportunity to bat, yes, and he wouldn't
have gotten in that game. Also because bangor clarified this later on. He
said that I don't remember the exact reason, but he said that the plan
was not for As to come in because failed, he had to come in
at that point. The plan to the one, I think or some other
spirit, which is very odda this guy is him and Shank are the only
scorers in your lineup, and you want to bench one of those. It's
a weird man. You know what LG. What has happened to Leggy?
Back to back defeats lost to the Capitals. So I don't have a lot
of confidence in their batting order. That's the problem. Why hasn't been in
the great struggle? So when your OS opener is failing, they have Kyle
Mayers. Maybe they can try to switch it up. Last season are not
doing great, but they contribute to the propos with him. This isn't is
not doing great, but they are I think what you essentially have to tell
because okay, and they are struggling to find a number three they worked hasn't
done well in the two opportunities of three opportunity? What what baffled me in
that KKR game? What is that batter's name that was brilliant at number six,
number seven, and then you suddenly promote him. Why when so this
is batting. You already don't have a proper number three. Have you had
batters like particle and hoho? I feel you're not giving market who was good
for you last year, not giving him any chance. Fine, then you
should have a proper battery number four who is in form. And they have
kind of also underutilized cronal Pandia, the bowler, the all rounder, and
after maying CAD's injury, they have looked like, okay, he has gone.
Now there is no one else to step up. That shouldn't be the
In one game they have yes, yes, five at all and then again
they have fallen off the clib yes. So I think what's happened with lerg
batting order especial is that since kal Raho has changed his role for an anchor
to an aggressor in the power play, the problem now, yeah, because
because the last three matches I think he scored at a very high strike rate,
and yesterday also he was doing the same, but he got out.
Now that he's getting out and Quentin's not doing well, they have a major
problem there. And you mentioned that number three and number lost who were calling
out selfish and slow. He has tried to correct that. He has tried
to correct that, which is a good good thing for him, because you
go back to that face or not? What are you saying? No?
No, I I don't think he should go back at all. Maybe somebody
should come and tell q DK that listens. Slow down, you take the
innings through and see what happens. Not a bad call. What about this
when we were talking about Rajasthan Chill, should he go there to the World
Cup or not? I think Chill has been doing whatever he should be doing
to make a case for T in the World Cup and he and Klip will
make a terrific bowling door spinbol too spinners. Why not you you can have
or the squad in the squad you mean, yeah, he should lease in
the squad. Squad He should have chall because he has been keepicking of wickets,
especially in the situations where his team meets wickets. He comes and delivers
a wicket and seventeenth to eighteenth over fifteen to eight or you call him up,
he comes, he gives you a wicket. It will essentially be then
the brave call of dropping Ja and they will not drop, so they'll evidently
drop Boxer, which will be a horrible call. That that that is,
That's that's somems up why we can't win any tournament. So shoot, should
we actually have like low hopes from four? What do you say? It
depends on how the selectors picked the squad. I think to be brave,
they have to be brave with a couple of calls because because if you ask
me, you can't leave out two people. Now, So Pandia and Jada
is essentially what your brave calls are. Dob and Hell in place of Pandia
Anda, No, not in place? Maybe pick them in the fifteen if
you have that more many people do you want? Man? That's why I
kept pushing for Koli and royth open, but you guys didn't agree. Last
saw what happened. One guy scores the other guys cos two hundred you get
two hundred and twenty hours for that unit twenty three hours, twenty hours.
By the way, this big Pandia question that we took whether he has to
go was from a lovely feedback from a certain sus Thanks for sending in the
feedback, and you guys also got a lot of comments some stick and some
good comment for your last week's episode. Yeah think, so can you do
you guys want to will? Yeah? I think I think last week's comments
are quite fun. Yeah. So this is ahmit Kai who's essentially Samit guy
or what is his full name with guy? Oh? Sorry, amitav nine
s one, who summed up rcb's entire sixteen Wars years in just like a
couple of sentences. RCB is one of the worst managed teams of IPL,
relying solely on Wirad Kohli to monetize their brand value. They are least bothered
about winning the trophy. They should be happy that fans have not deserted them
yet. Yeah this so I agree with. I feel for fans whenever I
see a sc batting, bowling or fieling whatever you do. And RCM two
nine one actually asked the rajasthan Royles question, So yeah, thanks man,
I mean it was a great question. I think hopefully we have addressed that.
And yeah, a lot of people saying RCB are a banter team and
a content team. Content team if prod is better content than most franchises.
Yea of the field are very good of the problems on the field. What
do you guys think before we, you know, shut down. We can
stage a comeback. They have done it in the past. It's not like
they haven't done it in the past. I have huge doubts on on this,
this whole idea of RCV making a comeback. Okay, see for that
your team agein't has to make take strict decisions, good decisions, cricketing decisions,
and in the current situation, they didn't look like making those us.
Yes, they can make come back. Any team can make a comeback.
But for that come back, your team selections have to be apt. You
can't drop a cam Green and Mumbai Maxwell can't be playing every game is flopping?
Yeah, okay, if you have a Jax, he should be opening
for me. Perfect should be playing every game if you want him to be
that in player. If the is the best batter, then you should get
more balls and they should also get an opportunity to have a mini option in
the middle of the series. So that has been your best ball and you
can't drop him suddenly of course, So these are every game they make such
baffroom decisions. How do they make come back? How will they make come
back? If Glenn Maxwell leaves before the World Cup, then RCB are in
a little bit of trouble. I think RCB are definitely capable of spring surprises,
you know, like one random game they'll hit two hundred and forty runs.
Get away on the streak. Because now the problem is it's not just
one game. You have to be consistent in the next ten matches, twelve
matches, and that is where I see the problem. One game they will
win and then again they will lose two matches. And I think we all
three of us have maintained that Paja Kings and RCB look the worst team since
the auction, and DC also, But I think we have maintained what I
am see. At least DC are strapped. They couldn't get their combination right
in the first few matches, and now they're slowly warming up. I still
wouldn't know the combinations right. I think the injury to cool Deep and Mooki
hurt them very badly in the three games that they did not Jake Fraser mcgug
you've got him now, maybe you could have got him one or two matches
earlier. Definitely, what a beautiful replacement if you know that he's such so
highly rated, then why delay him? And Ricky Ponting, you know,
man of all people facing was a first person who came out and said after
that, I'm sure that he would have played a major role in getting him.
Yeah, Ricky pont came out said, Jake Idle want a replacement all
FORMID player as an opener. So if he knew that six months ago,
why not play him full gay one? Yeah, and with mcgog like,
he's a hacker, right, let's like in village terms, he's just a
hacker. Make the best use of him till people figure him out and then
bombard him with bouncers or whatever. Just get him through the season, you
know, King. So before we wrap up, I just want to make
a suggestion to you. You know, we we kind of reviewed the comments
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