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Big Food and be On with Cliff
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now your hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bobo

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Fay. Hello, folks, what
with another episode of Bigfoot and Beyond with

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usually Cliff and Bobo. Today Cliff
and out here. He's out in the

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woods. He's doing some squatching.
He's got some stuff going on. So

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I was supposed to do an episode
the day without Cliff, but their guests

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we have lined up are so good
I just couldn't do without him. I

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mean, they're too important. So
I was talking to Matt our producer Matt

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Pruth, the Uber producer, masking
the interview. You kind of got to

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see some Bobo story time stories and
kind of get some more fine details out

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of me doing it that way.
So welcome to Bigfoot Beyond That. Thanks

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for having me. Yeah, you
know, since I handled a lot of

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the social media requests, it had
occurred to me when we were talking about

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guests, it's like, Oh,
the one person that people ask for the

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most is Bobo. It's so you
would be the perfect guest for this week's

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episode. Thank you, thanks for
having me. Like you said, there's

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so many stories that I've heard that
it had been years since I've heard him

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that I kind of jotted down,
like, oh, we should talk about

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these on the podcast. And then
when I hear you on other podcast,

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there's always questions that come up for
me that I've never asked that I thought,

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oh, well, we should just
ask those questions. So you get

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to be the guest on your own
podcast this week. All Yeah, one

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of the things I was curious about. And I think we could give a

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shout out to our good friend Tony, because Tony merkel over at The Confessionals

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just did a great deep dive interview
with you on his podcast, sort of

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the origin story. But I always
love hearing about who were the first other

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researchers that you met, like after
you were tracking down Sasquatch stories and meeting

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local witnesses, Like who were the
first contemporary people in the field that you

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met that were going and doing the
same thing. Probably a ray crow,

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I guess. Oh, I didn't
know that, So you were you logging

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in northern California at that time?
Yeah, And I was going up to

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Portland anyways. I was going to
go surf up in northern Oregon, and

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and I had friends. I loved
going to Portland, you know, back

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then, that was before Portland got
totally blown up. You know, it

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was like a lot. It wasn't
the traffic and crowds and it was it

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was a really it was my favorite
city for years and years. So anyways,

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I was up there and I knew
about I had someone gave me a

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copy of the track record. Somehow
I got some subscribe to that for a

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while, and I made it up
there for a meeting. I remember,

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I'm going into that basement place,
and I can't remember all the people I

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met. I met a couple of
women that were there. It was a

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lot of older people. There was
no in myriage there. And that's when

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I got to know Ray a little
bit. Yeah, I met Ray and

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a few other people. I can't
remember who I was there now, No

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one I stayed in touch with.
I just Ray a little bit over the

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years. And then who did I
meet. I saw an article on John

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Fredis in the in the paper in
the in the San Francisco Chronicle, and

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I think he said it was ninety
six or ninety seven, and I wrote

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him and I didn't have email back
then. I just called him and left

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him a couple of messages and then
we talked on the phone, or I

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think we were just yeah, I
never talked to him. We were just

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kind of phone tagging because I was
gone fishing all the time back then,

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you know, it was before sell, before I had a cell phone,

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and I was I was just not
home ever, so I had come back

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once every two three four weeks and
check my voicemail on the phone, and

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I got a couple of message,
but we never we never met up.

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And then I saw another article with
Robert Leiderman, the ranger from Humboldt Rdwood

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State Parking there, and I think
it might Yeah. I didn't get really

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talk to him though, until the
Grasshopper trail story, which was like a

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big deal at the time. It
was the BFOO website has just started up,

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or I guess it was the VR
what was not r BO, the

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what was that one called again with
the IVBC the Internet Virtual big Foot Conference.

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Yeah, might have still been.
It might have still been during that

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time. Or no, No,
it was already. No, it was

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BFRRO by that time, Yeah,
it was bfr O. Sorry. So

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I called Robert and he was just
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So I never I never met up
with him either. And then I had

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my incident where that story I told
you know, my first encounter I had

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for sure had a definitely, definitively
had a big Foot encunter, like no

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doubt about it whatsoever. It was
to this day, I was still like

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the most powerful, like made the
biggest impression on me. Not just because

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it was the first, it's still
the most intense encounter I ever had by

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far. I was going to ask
you about that story because one of the

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first, I mean the first time
I was ever aware of you was on

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Mysterious Encounters in some of those episodes. But then if you remember back in

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the days of blog talk radio,
I think the first or at least one

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of the first big Foot shows was
Let's Talk big Foot, and a little

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bit of that story was in there, and I had that sort of jotted

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down here because I know we've never
talked about that on big Foot and Beyond.

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So you gotta tell that's got to
be the first Bobo story for the

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listeners. In this episode for sure, because I'd love to hear it again

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too. Yeah. So, I
mean I've been looking around for years and

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years, you know, like this
was two thousand and one, and uh,

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I've been in touch with John Freds. We've never we've never met.

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And he was an investigator for the
disc Attorney's office up in Delark County and

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I was down in Humble. I
was commercial fisherman and logging and stuff,

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and so I was. I was
gone a lot. But he called me

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up one day and he goes,
Dude, he goes, I just talked

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to a woman from the Ros from
the rok Ros. She just had a

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sighting. She just saw a big
foot and I was like, no,

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and it was it was a really
broken up message. It was when self.

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I mean, this is cell phones
were really jankie back then where relived

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at least, and it was really
broken up and my reception was terrible.

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I could barely hear it. But
he was saying it was a year ago

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today that the woman had a setting, and I didn't know that. I

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thought it was that day. I
got all excited and I had to drive

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down and started Humble and borrow my
buddy's night vision scope was a Ukrainian model

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I remember, with a Gen two
night scope and you know, just pretty

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junky about today's standards, but it
was the best I'd ever seen in person.

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So I was all excited and he
let me borrow it. So I

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went up there. I went to
where he was talking about was on the

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Bald Hills. It was just on
the backside of Roadway National Park about the

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Klament River, and I was almost
due west of the PG film site a

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little bit, well not due west. I was west southwest there by about

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ten or twelve hour miles maybe,
And so I went up there and it

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was this a little bit And when
he told me this story, I knew

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exactly where he was talking about.
I'd been there a bunch of times,

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and it was right where it is
called Bald Hills Road. It goes from

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the coast, it runs through the
park and then it drops down. It

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goes over the coastal range right there. Then it drops down into the Clowns

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River Valley and then the Hoopa Reservation
that a lot of people are famil with

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the Hooper Project by Dave Pauldes hoops
there and then it comes into the Urok

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Rose, which is from the confluence
of the Trinity, which is the Trinity

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River goes through Hoopa and the Clounth
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A lot of people have heard of
the Klamath. So you get up

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to the top and my buddies that
lived in Wichipec, they were telling me

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a couple couple of them had seen
and one of my best friends had seen

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a really old, broken down,
limping, kind of patchy hair, looked

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like it was about to die,
emaciated, about a seven and a half

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foot tall big foot like had the
you know, classic male male baldness pattern

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to it, gray along its head, so it's graying along its chest like

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the it's temples are all gray.
And it had kind of like a gray

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beard and gray chest had like that
silvery sheen to the black, not really

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a sheen. It was black,
but you can see that it was not

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like that, like the one I
saw was black and I had silver shining

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it was like young and hey,
look at this thing was old like grit

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like not silver shining hair, but
like dull gray hair. And then it

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had patchy fur missing and he could
see the ribs. They could see the

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ribs on it, and it was
limping really slow, and it just he

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said, the look on its face, it just froze. And then they

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locked eyes with it and slowed down
as they drove past it, like close,

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like thirty five feet. It just
like trying to do the freeze thing,

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like you know, I'm a big
foot all the streets. It won't

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see me. They just slowed down. They were staring at it started them.

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It's just like, I'm old,
I'm broken up, about to die.

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Leave me alone. He busted me, and just leave me alone.

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And then it just started limping off
again. And so I was up there

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for weeks. This has been going
on for about oh at that point,

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two months, six weeks have been
getting reports out there, and then the

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grant from Humboldt State University. Graduation
time a lot of you know, a

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lot of parents and stuff come up
there. It's most of like I think

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seventy eight percent of the population of
the schools from southern California. So when

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the families come up for graduation in
May, you know, they go around,

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cruise around the you know, look
at the nature and all that.

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And this is about where this happened
is about our ten minute hour hour ten

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minutes north of the university, and
you can do a loop road. You

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can go up to where the museum
is in Willow Creek, and a lot

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of people in the Willow Creek the
big Foot Museum, the original one up

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there. Then you go down the
Trinity River through Hooper Reservation. You go

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into the confluence of the Clout in
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miles and blow Witch back and then
you go back up and you go over

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the Bald Hills and drop down a
highway one on one Rubbay National Park,

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and then back down along the coast
back to Arcada. So a lot of

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people do that loop. And I
talked to two different car loads of people

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that you know, we're graduating,
their parents were visiting, and they sell

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the same thing within within about a
mile of each They were all within the

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same mile zone of this thing about
ready to trying to cross around this old

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gray, limping big Foot. So
I was like, oh my God,

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like that's that's that's you know,
I gotta find this thing. And that's

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when I started calling Belgium too.
I didn't I didn't know Meldium, but

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I was telling him, Hey,
there's things. You know, it's a

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it's around, it's it's old,
it's about to die. It might be

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a good place to focus on.
I think he sent sent him an email,

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and I think he he emailed me
back once and he sounded like,

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yeah, he was excited, like
that sounds really good. I called the

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Ray crowd I told him about it, and he was like, oh man,

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that's uh, that's that's exactly what
you're looking for. I said,

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yeah, I know, So I
was. I was getting all excited about

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that. I was up there a
lot, didn't see anything, didn't hear

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anything. And then so John John
fredis the Dunark County Digit Attorney investigator,

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you know, he's a law enforcement
officer, he called up all excited about

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the sighting of that. You're awk
woman. He goes, you know,

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she's really responsible, she's great witness, you know, real, real together

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woman. She worked for the tribe. You know, she's a senior kind

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of up there, a person well
respected. And he goes, yeah,

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and she she sought cross Road and
I knew exactly and it was it was

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stranger because I've talked to her several
times since then. It was a smaller

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big foot, and it was dragging
a rolled up piece of cardboard it had

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in one hand, and the other
hand it had it was holding like the

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the cuff of a sleeve of a
long a long sleeve kids bright blue child's

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top like long sleeve shirt. It
was dragged. It was holding the cup

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of one sleeves and then the rest
of it was dragging behind her on the

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ground, or it heard him,
whatever it was, and then it saw

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her and it just took off just
so fast, like a deer, just

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zoomed off, kicked up a cloud
of dust behind it. It was just

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gone. And so I was like, no, that just happened like today.

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And I got that. So I
got the that vision scope and I

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was all excide. I packed my
stuff up. So so I got the

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that vision scip I go up there. I set my chair up in the

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mind you at this point, I've
been looking for years and years. Never

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had anything happened, never heard anything
that I knew of. You know,

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in hindsight, I did have some
interactions with him, but I just didn't

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know it. I was ignorant of
the signs sounds. But so I went

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to the meadow, and so the
meadow is kind of like a crescent shape,

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you know, like half moon shape, and it's gone now. It

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got clear cut, but it was
probably like I always miss up the dimensions

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because it seems so big, but
I'm reckoning. It was about maybe one

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hundred and twenty yards. It was
a half moon shape starting from the road,

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so the road around north south,
So this meadow round parallel to the

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road on the east side of the
road, and the road around north south

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along the ridge, and the road
was the dividing line between the National Park

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roadway, state National Park, and
private timberland and some ranching holdings in there.

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There's a few people lived out there, not many, like maybe six

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houses along this eleven miles of road, and they were mostly down at the

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end of the road, down by
the river, the Klamath. So as

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you drive up along this meadow,
you see the middle on your right,

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and then alongside of the road there's
a patch of woods maybe thirty yards long

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by about fifteen yards sticks something like
that, and on both sides of it

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was the meadow, and in front
of it was the meadow. So it

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was like an island that backed up
to the road. So I pulled up

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there and parked. There was a
kind of a wider spike park. People

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get by no problem. And I
let my dog out, let him run

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around for a little bit d day. He was that big hundred and five

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pound people great dogs, super mill. Everyone thought he was a black laugh

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because he was so chill, and
so I let him run around a while.

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Then I put him back on the
truck on the front seat, and

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I got my I had one of
those plastic you know, picnic chairs,

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you know, the little cheap chair
you get from Costco or whatever. I

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had one of those. I had
my machete for protection, had my night

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scope and spotlight, and I think
that I had my extra clothes in case

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it got cold. There were mosquitoes, and this was in May. It

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was May twenty first, two thousand
and one, and there wasn't There wasn't.

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I don't think there's any moon at
all. It made been a little

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bit of a moon, but it
was clear, it was warm. It

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was you know, it was in
the eighties that day. Up there at

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night, I think I think at
nine o'clock it was still like seventy four

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seventy five degrees. But I'm sitting
there and I go out there and I

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started doing some really killer calls like
roars and howls, and I'm doing an

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east end of the canyon and they
were carrying all the way down on the

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river. I could hear echoes going
down. I was like, dang,

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my voice is you know, I'm
killing it tonight. It's going far.

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It was going miles and I was
doing some roarers. I was doing some

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aggressive calls. And about seven forty
five I think I think it was seven

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forty five, Yeah, it was
about seven forty five, I hear this

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wolf. I thought it was a
wolf hybrid, like those husky wolf they

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were popular back then. Those they
were like seven eighths wolf and an eighth

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husky or mal meat whatever. And
I thought, well, it sounds like

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my buddy's wolf, you know,
wolf hybrid. It sounds like that,

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because it was it was a howl, and it was just it wasn't a

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coyote you could tell, and it
was a dog would have more of a

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wolf tone to it. It seemed
like, I'm like, that's weird.

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And then it does it again and
I hear the how. I'm like,

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God, that's a strange how.
And it keeps going on and on and

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then it starts changing it more so
in like a screaming yell roar, and

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right then I was like, oh
my god, I just heard my first

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big foot. I couldn't believe it. I was like, no way,

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and it was miles due north.
It was just due north to me.

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Stay tuned for more bigfoot and beyond
with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right

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back. After these messages, I
hear this is how coming from the north,

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and I was like, I just
remember all my hair stood up,

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and I was just like the first
for sure confimation I had, like when

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I was I was hearing a big
foot, there's nothing else. There's no

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way it was anything else. And
it did this crazy call. Did They

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started doing these crazy screaming howl yell
roar things like just up and down,

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like you know, seven octaves difference
from the start to finish, going through

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all the ranges of these calls and
mixing just different sounds. Good. I

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was like, no, So I
start roaring back on, you know,

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and barking and doing just aggressive gorilla
kind of call, and it's coming and

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I could tell it's coming closer,
but it's still far away. Sort of

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the next forty five minutes. I'd
hear it roar every so often, and

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I'd do a roaring yell and I
was pounding. There was a chunk of

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there was some dead oak logs,
you know maybe, and they were probably

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like eighteen to thirty six inch sections
of old logs that were left there that

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were cracked or split whatever. They
weren't good for him. They just left

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from there. So I was beating
on one of those and it was it

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was making the perfect because it was
kind of elevated. It was part of

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it was sticking in the ground and
the rest of it was sticking out of

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the ground. And I was banging
it. So I had the killer resonance,

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and I'm banging on that thing and
I'm screaming and roaring, and then

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it's I heard it calling. It
was pretty close. It sounded like it

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was definitely with it less than a
mile and I was like, no way,

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it's coming in. It's coming in. And I was calling Fredis in

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the phone, going John, get
after the things coming It's coming. It's

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like I can't. I'm working,
I can't. I just can't make it.

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There's no way. I was like, damn. So then I called

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some motor I said, hey,
I gotta there's a big foot coming.

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They just kind of laughed me,
like yeah, whatever, whatever, and

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no. I called like several people
and no one came. So I was

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sitting there going all right, I'm
just sitting there waiting, and I hadn't

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heard anything for about ten minutes,
and then right then it just starts roaring.

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It's right up, I'm facing Dewey's. It's coming in at my nine

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o'clock, my due north, and
it's in the tree line just you know,

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however far from me, like sixty
yards or something, and I'm just

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like, oh my god, no
way, and it just starts snapp It

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came in dead song and all a
sudden just roars and screams and you just

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hear it just branches breaking and like
small trees sounds like snapping and just stopping

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feet just boom boom boom, and
it's going like and then it would do

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these crazy how it would scream and
like and then it would end up with

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like a huge exhale and it sounded
like Horselift song, like that kind of

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sound. At the end, I
go was flapping its lips really hard.

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But there's doing these before we do
another scream, we do another huge inhale

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and then a huge exhale, which
it would end with a horse flap lipping

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horse lip flapping sound, and I
was just like blown away, going oh

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my god, like I mean,
you can imagine at this point, I'm

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just like going no way. As
soon as that first scream happened to my

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two o'clock, I just hear this
crack. And I know that's your imagination

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probably like just filling in the gaps, but I mentally pictured this thing on

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my left. I was, you
know, kind of mentally picturing this thing.

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Would it looked like Market the Wizard, And the second that crack happened,

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for whatever reason, I just saw
it like playing this day in my

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head. But you know it's people
already described it to me, so I'm

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sure that's what it was. But
I just see that old jenking one holding

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the branch, and it's like the
krusty old guy is going crack. Like

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I'm not dead yet, I'm still
you know, like a male you know,

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sasquatch whatever. I don't know,
but I just had this mental image

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of that the old one over on
my on my right, crack in the

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tree, and I'm like, oh
my god, there's two of them.

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And I was just like, whoa
this is? You know, I had

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had a disposable thirty five millimeter cardboard
camera. You know, you just take

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thirty those twenty seven pictures and drop
it off a like save on or Walmart

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and get them developed. So I
had one of those and I had a

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flash on it. So my plan
was to antagonize the thing, and that

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was my plan going up there,
was to antagonize if one came, to

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antagonize him enough to charge me,
and then my plan was to snap a

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photo of it. And this is
the most stupidest part because John kept told

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me, I'll it'll charge you and
it'll stop ten or fifteen feet away and

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just roar and make you, you
know, crap your pants and run away

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whatever. And I'm like, I'm
not gonna no way. I'll be ready

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for it. I'm not scared.
And my plan was to try to jump

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out, do like a diving barrel
roll and try to grab some hair off

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its leg. Don't think stupid stefp
Like, I just thought like, it

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won't kill me, It won't kill
me. Then I was thinking like it'll

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probably kick me, but it won't
kill me. And obviously that plan didn't

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work, but so so for the
next So that baby one that came in

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from the I mean it sounded huge, and it's just it stopped. I

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mean when it stopped its feet,
it was like you could feel it,

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you know a little bit like it
was and you could I mean it was

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just boom boom, but really well
spaced, like definitely it was bipedal,

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but there were some big strides going
and it just was making all this noise.

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And then so that one of my
two o'clock and that one's coming from

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a nine o'clock, they kind of
worked their way together, so they met

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directly exactly in front of me.
They both came over like marching centuries and

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they just were shaking in the trees. And you know, there's some big

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deciduous trees. You know, it's
like some kind of oak or something like

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that. They just start shaking them. They just start the trees. Something's

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grabbing them, shaking them. And
these things were big, like forty foot.

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The base of these trees were like
a good ten to probably fourteen inches

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maybe something like that. Some of
them were like gonna be eighteen inches.

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And they start grabbing them and just
the tops or whipping back and forthe like

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it was like a full double gale
storm was blowing through, like just whipping

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back and forth by like leaves coming
off, just shaking, shaking it,

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shaking it. And I'm like,
how in the hell are they shaking?

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Those trees are like these trees are
like, dude, you get ten men

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on that thing and it would you
wouldn't even you couldn't budget at all.

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It wouldn't make a it wouldn't move
but two inches. And these things were

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going back and forth ten feet at
the top, you know, just whipping

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back and forth. I'm like,
what the hell is going on? But

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they do that. So then I
stand up and beat my chest like the

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gorilla like slap like, and I
was going and they would roar back and

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then it would go silent for a
while. Then they they do like a

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big branch snap. It was almost
all the noises coming from the big one

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that was going back and forth on
my left. It was going from my

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nine o'clock to my twelve o'clock,
back and forth. It would go silent

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for a while and then it would, you know, do another noise.

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And at this point I was getting
pretty dark, and I had the night

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visions, the night vision, and
I was scanning and scanning and scanning,

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and I never I just got it
that day, Like I hadn't really got

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the mess around with it. And
they had these aisles on the front,

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you know, for focus and brightness
and what else. And there's there was

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a red laser point that was on
it too that you get hit. There

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was a button. None of it
was all marked in like Russian, so

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I couldn't or Ukraine and whatever.
I couldn't read it. It was like

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that what it thought thrillic writing.
Yeah, I think so that could be.

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I'm not too familiar with that,
but I know what you mean.

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Certainly I can picture it, but
I don't know the terminology. Yeah,

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So it had that, so I
didn't know what anything said. And I

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was just kind of messing with it. I wasn't sure what was what.

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But I got to work and I
was looking through it and I could see,

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you know, I couldn't see anything, but I could see the trees,

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you know, you know the gento
night scipe looks like oh, certainly,

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yeah, I mean it was it
was like late eighties early nineties technology.

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It wasn't very good, but I'm
going back and forth scan the tree.

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I was skin of true. And
then I kept stand up roaring,

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and I'd get up and beat on
the tree. And then at one point,

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when they're in front of me,
a section about five foot long or

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four foot long by about twenty something
inches thick, maybe twenty four inch thick

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chunk of oh came flying out of
the tree line. Didn't come close to

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me, but it landed, you
know, about two thirds of the way

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between the tree line and uh.
It came about two thirds of the way

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to me and then landed in front
of me, just boomed thud, And

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I went out and looked at it
him like ding, that's a you know,

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one hundred and fifty pound two hundred
pound pieces of wood or something,

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I don't know, like something like
that. It was. It was substantial,

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like you know, you couldn't have
thrown it very far, Like I

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mean, I could pick it up, but I couldn't throw it. Maybe

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throw it like four or five feet
six feet at the most. So that

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thing came find I was like,
well, that was crazy. And I

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was still just still pretty uh.
I mean, I was nervous, but

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I was still confident, like I
wasn't I wasn't afraid really. I mean,

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I was definitely on heightened alert and
my heart was racing, and I

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was super excited, but I wasn't
really scared. I was just I mean,

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I was kind of nervous, but
I was more I was more excited.

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I was just excited. And then
so this went on for a while,

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and it seemed like three trucks passed
by as I was up there.

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They were kind of old rattley,
you know, old full size, you

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know, domestic pick up. I
was just bouncing along and and I remember

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they all had music cranking, like
a couple were clank cranking country and everyone

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was playing like classic rock as they
went by, and those freaking squatches in

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the tree line went absolutely crazy.
Just when the trucks would go out,

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they started screaming and roaring and shaking
the trees really really hard to trees would

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just be thrashing back and forth.
They'd break branches and roar and scream and

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yell, and none of the trucks
even slowed out, like they didn't hear

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them. They just kept driving by, and I couldn't believe. I kept

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thinking they're gonna get up and stop, you know, and be like what

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the hell is that or something,
you know. And I was still because

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I was like, oh great,
I'll get some witnesses because during this whole

408
00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:41.839
time I had called people and no
one came up. They were like,

409
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.559
what You're crazy. I'm like,
no, this is happening right now,

410
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.799
get up here. No one came. So this went on for a couple

411
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:52.519
hours. And at one point,
also I can't remember what it was,

412
00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.480
it was like some kind of yell, like it was a little it was

413
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:59.880
different than it was a different call, but there was like a there'd been

414
00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:03.440
a a couple minutes several minutes of
silence, then this call came out like

415
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:08.079
I can't hear what it was,
but instantly burst out of the tree line.

416
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:12.079
Oh okay. Prior to that call
coming out, it seem like the

417
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:15.759
battery, the battery is getting low. Someone's going wrong. I was like,

418
00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.200
what's going on? Is this battery
getting low? What's happening? Because

419
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.039
it started getting fuzzy here, and
so I started messing with like the focus

420
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:25.279
and the you know, the brightness
and like and one of the ones I

421
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:29.640
was twisting was I didn't realize it
was the battery cover, and I screwed

422
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.680
it all of a sudden and screwed
it the whole way, and the cap

423
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:36.640
came off, and the second the
battery got disattached and it turned off,

424
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.599
like within a second, there was
a scream or yell whatever came from the

425
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.079
tree line and they just rushed me
like you could, Like it was so

426
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.039
fast. It was like the thing
that compared to it is like being at

427
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.279
the county fair when the horses go
running by when you're stone and the didge

428
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:55.400
of the track at the horse races, like the ground just shook. There

429
00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:56.480
was for sure two of them,
maybe three of them, I think there

430
00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:00.519
was three came bursting out of the
tree line, rushed I thought they could

431
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.799
rushed right next to me, like
into the tree line behind me, and

432
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.440
it was just I was like,
oh my god, it was so fast

433
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:11.559
and so loud, and the ground
ship and it was just overwhell. I

434
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:12.920
was like, oh my god,
Like I was just like my eyes popped

435
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.839
out of my head probably and I
was just sitting there going hold my breath

436
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:19.519
on what the hell? And then
I figured, well, I don't know

437
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:23.039
what happened to him, my dog, because that Pitpo would go. He

438
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:26.480
was super chill, like friendly's dog
ever. But when he was in the

439
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:29.640
truck he was like a kujo,
just psychopath like, would attack anything that

440
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.599
came near the truck unless you let
him out that he was friendly again,

441
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:34.079
when he was in the truck without
me, he was just guard dog.

442
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:37.279
So I'm like, well, if
they go to my truck, they go

443
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.240
behind me, in the trees behind
me, I'll hear him because my dog

444
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.680
would nuts. I never heard a
peep out of him, Like that's that's

445
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:45.960
weird. So I sat there for
a few minutes. I was sitting there

446
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.519
was about five minutes or something like
that, and I started I started hearing

447
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:53.359
the wrestling of some what I figured
it was a wood wrap behind me.

448
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.039
There's a lot of wood rats out
there, so I thought it was a

449
00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:02.119
road behind me. Then sound like
a little bigger than a road, and

450
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:07.799
then also over my right shoulder,
so I was I'd set my chair back

451
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.039
in the tree line just a little
bit, so I was. I was

452
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:14.200
in the tree line just barely,
like my chair was inside the tree line.

453
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:15.160
I had, you know, a
couple of branches on the side of

454
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.359
me, So I was a little
bit ob scared if you were like walking

455
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.759
by or something. I'm sitting there
and all of a sudden, you know,

456
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.559
I got my spotlights on the ground, I got my shitty there,

457
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.319
I got the night scope in my
hand, I got the camera in my

458
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:32.000
hand in my other hand, and
it was all wound up, ready to

459
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.640
go. And I'm sitting and all
a sudden, I started realizing I'm hearing

460
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.720
breathing and a little rustling, and
all of a sudden, I'm wearing this

461
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:42.279
presence behind me. And also I
started hearing breathing coming from way over my

462
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:48.960
head. I started hearing this breathing
like after a couple of breaths, it

463
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:55.440
starts going into a growl like but
deep and rumbling like, and I'm like,

464
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:56.599
it's way over my head. I
mean, it's up in the air.

465
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:02.279
And I get this just worse sense
of foreboding, dread, and just

466
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.759
the most scared I was in my
life. Just I mean, like I

467
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.400
was like, oh my god.
The only thing I compared to is being

468
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.720
having a great white sharks circle and
you when you're out diving or surfing,

469
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.000
you know, like that thing of
like I'm out of my element. This

470
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:18.920
he can kill me in any second, there's nothing I can do. It's

471
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.039
like any large future, like if
you know you're run into a tiger in

472
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.640
Asia or lions in Africa or grizzly
bearer here or whatever, like we're just

473
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.119
like, oh, this thing could
take me out. Nothing I can do

474
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.759
and not a damn thing I can
do. I was still excited at this

475
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.480
point, and it starts growling,
and I wasn't really that scared yet.

476
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.720
I was like, well, I
wasn't that scared at that point. I

477
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.440
mean I was. I was nervous. I was nervous started ground. I

478
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.319
was like, okay, boats,
just stay calm, just stay relaxed,

479
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.079
you know, don't don't do anything
stupid. It won't hurt you. And

480
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.680
I'm like, okay, sort there. I got takets picture. I gotta

481
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:53.559
takets picture. And the second I
started telling myself all right, you gotta

482
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.759
takets picture, turned around because I'll
wound up and everything. I turned it

483
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.200
on and I turned it on and
it makes a little bit of wine sound,

484
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:07.000
just a little bit, and that
little indicator orange light comes on and

485
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.759
I'm like, oh no, because
I was for the flash. As soon

486
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.640
as I did that, the loudest
clearest message in my head. If you

487
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.160
take my picture, I'm gonna eff
and kill you, and no one's ever

488
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.079
going to find your body. And
I had this image of stuff of me

489
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.599
inside of a cave and putting big
rocks over it. I was just like,

490
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:30.119
oh my, but it, dude. I swear to this day it

491
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.400
still seems like it was from outside
me. Like because you talked to yourself

492
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.200
all the time, this seemed different, really different. It seemed like it

493
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.119
was like this voice I'd never heard
before. It was loud and clear,

494
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:44.359
like it wasn't audible, like you
couldn't hear it audibly. It was in

495
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.519
my head, but it was clear, clear as day, like just seemed

496
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.400
very real and threatening, and I
believed it, Like I thought, if

497
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:57.680
I around, it's gonna kill me. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

498
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:07.079
with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be
right back after these messages. And I

499
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.880
just remember like getting up and walking
real fast, like I don't run,

500
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.000
But I was like walking as fast
as I could. I'm like, don't

501
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.480
run, but and my eyes were
watering so bad, and it was dark.

502
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:21.759
I walked into a you know,
Joe poked like a dead branch there

503
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.759
were some slash piles out there,
and there was a it just was my

504
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:27.640
eye bow about an inch. So
I was like and I was walking fast,

505
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:32.440
like not seeing where I was going, stumbling along. I literally could

506
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:33.880
have just poked my eye out.
Oh my god, Like how'd it get

507
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.880
behind me? Like how come Ddy
didn't bark? Like how did they get

508
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.160
behind me without me knowing it?
And I'm just getting to my truck and

509
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.279
my truck I was facing away from
bald Hill's Road. I was facing down

510
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:47.839
Johnson's heading down river, and I
just wanted to get out, like I

511
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.559
want to get out there so bad. I was expecting to get grabbed out

512
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.440
of the true Like I was walking
along the tree line. I was just

513
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.279
toy so I can get dragged,
like dragging into the trees next like on

514
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.000
my left where I just been that
like islands of trees. I was sitting

515
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:00.839
and I was it was in there, and I thought, maybe they're both

516
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.039
of the three of them are in
there. I didn't know, and I

517
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.160
was not for sure I was I
gonna get ambush walking back to my truck.

518
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.319
I get to my truck and I
get there and there's I'm looking in

519
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.400
and I don't see my dog.
I'm like, oh my god, no

520
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:12.519
one, he's not. They reached
it, and god, because the doors

521
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.200
were unlocked, I'm like they got
him. I'm like, god, they

522
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.680
stole d this. So at that
point, I just like my stomach sank

523
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.119
and I was just I felt even
like that was the worst. I was

524
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.359
like, I guess got my dog
killed? Oh my Like how they get

525
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.839
him without me hearing it? Like
I was just tripping out. So I

526
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.759
get in the truck, I'm fumbling
for my keys and I'm you know,

527
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:36.480
hyperventilating, and I'm like, they
killed they killed DD. They killed DD.

528
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.799
And I flip on the light and
I see him and he's jammed down

529
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:47.279
on the floorboards on the passengers side. He'd ripped out like the like where

530
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.839
the glove box just behind there,
like he just tore out whatever was wiring

531
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.319
like radio stuff was up behind there
and had his head shut up there and

532
00:31:55.440 --> 00:32:00.559
part of his shoulders and he was
curled up underneath the as far up against

533
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.640
the front of it like where your
feet goes cramming there was much like I

534
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.240
couldn't believe like how Hidney was from
from view. I mean, he's black

535
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:08.160
and it was dark out, so
of course it was hard to see him

536
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:12.920
anyways, but he had he had
been so scared he just tore up the

537
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.480
inside of the truck trying to climbing
into something just to get away from whatever

538
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.079
was. So they had to walk
around the windows and stuff like that.

539
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.400
Look, I'm sure they walked around
and looked in at them. So I

540
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:23.480
drove and I had to drive down
the ways to turn around. So I'm

541
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:28.039
looking for a place to turn around. And I'm driving a two wheel drive

542
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.759
tow to truck like probably bald tired. I know I had bald tires on

543
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.920
it, and I'm looking for a
place to around. So I finally find

544
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.799
a spot and I back into it. So I'm back into it, and

545
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:44.680
then I got to go forward and
the truck U doesn't. I'm stuck kind

546
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.119
of like it's it's the embankment was
too. I dropped off a little bankment

547
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.680
to turn around this spot. I
mean, you know, eight inches nine

548
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.400
inches something like that. It was, It was nothing. I was like,

549
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.279
oh, but I didn't want to
see my tires and get stuck.

550
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.640
I knew that, So I got
I took a little head lamp out and

551
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.599
I'm trying to let on the on
one of the truck is look going to

552
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.079
see if like and I look like
it okay, it's nobody deal. Like,

553
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:07.359
it's got to back up another foot
or two. There's enough room for

554
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:08.559
me to back up and just get
a little bit of speed and I'll pop

555
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:12.240
out of this no problem. So
as I do that, like this is

556
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.759
all happening, like simultaneously I'm looking
come out of here, that roaring scream

557
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:20.039
comes again from above me, like
it had followed me down that road in

558
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:24.319
the in the tree line going north, and it screams, and it's just

559
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:31.799
starts bolting, coming through these rhodendrons
and raspberry bushes and some other just various

560
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.640
stickers and stuff, and it just
comes rushing down and I can just hear

561
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.839
all that stuff, just tearing,
stuff tearing out of the ground and small

562
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:44.279
branches breaking, and it's coming fast
down. I mean, I just jump

563
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.720
in throw it in first, and
you know, drove out of there,

564
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.039
and I was all I had was
this vision of a piece of log coming

565
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:57.519
checked out of the darkness, coming
through my windshells. I just kind of

566
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.640
expect that to happen to any second, and I just just thing roaring and

567
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.000
screaming up to my left, like
above above me on the hillside right there,

568
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.960
like close really close by, just
like oh my god, no way,

569
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.519
and I'm driving out. I thought
for sure I was waiting, just

570
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.519
waiting for a piece of wood to
come flying through the windshield and kill me.

571
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:16.199
So I go ripping out, I
get back down. I mean I

572
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.519
drove so I drive fast all the
time. Anyways, out there, I

573
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.880
drove so fast. I was hauling
ass. I mean like it was.

574
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.159
It was crazy. He didn't crash. I mean I was pushing my truck

575
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.639
to the max. Getting out,
They're just wanp just drifting and you know,

576
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.840
squealing tires. And I get out
on the pavement and I just ripped

577
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.159
back down. It's fifteen miles of
the one on one I get down.

578
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.639
Now it's just a big open flat. But it was a old growth redwood

579
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.679
mill at the time, and they
only worked I think there's like maybe three

580
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:47.679
shifts a week because there wasn't much
wood. It closed down not long after

581
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:51.559
that. I got ripping in there. I knew there was guards in there,

582
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.320
and night I go I go flying
into like just full peeling, you

583
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.559
know, just came ripping up to
the guards down, just full locked with

584
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.559
the brakes into a full power slide, you know, and just I jump

585
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.159
out. I'm like, dude,
come with me right now, there's sasquashes

586
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.519
up in the hill going crazy.
You gotta see this, you got I

587
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:08.880
need a witness, Get in my
truck. And the guy's like, big

588
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.440
guy, just staring at me,
like going, what the hell? Here's

589
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.840
this big, crazy looking dude just
came flying and peeling out, you know,

590
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.480
in his truck. Tell me to
get in his truck, go get

591
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:22.360
big foots up on the mountain.
He's like he's like, dude, I'm

592
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:23.920
not getting in your truck. You're
not supposed to be here. Get out

593
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.440
of here. Like that was the
whole thing. I was like, just

594
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.880
beat it, like, dude,
there's big foots that there right now,

595
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:30.239
let's go. Let's go. And
he's like, no, I'm not going

596
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.000
with you. And I was like, what the Hell's wrong with this guy?

597
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.039
Like he's looking at the Hell's wrong
with this guy? Like, dude,

598
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.519
there's big ones that there right now. You know, I need a

599
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:43.760
witness. I need a witness.
He says nope. So I left him

600
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.000
that there was a bar right down
the Street. At that time, there

601
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:50.199
was a bar, the Logger Bar
or the Lumberjack whatever it was, yeah,

602
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.599
Lumberjack, And so I go down
there. There's just some old kind

603
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.079
of like alcoholic dudes and they're like
retired logger dudes and mill worker guys,

604
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.559
like three or four of them and
like bars in there, and I'm like,

605
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.320
I'm like, you, guys,
there's a couple big foots up the

606
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:05.280
hill going crazy right now. I
need a witness to go up there with

607
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.280
me. They're there right now,
I'm going nuts, turned down trees and

608
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.599
they just all laughed me and to
them, we're saying there was a native

609
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.920
guy in there too. So the
two guys were laughed, just making fun

610
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:16.840
of me, like going, oh
my god, that call me a nut

611
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:21.239
job, and you know this and
that whatever tell me I was on drugs.

612
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:22.840
And then the other guy was just
kind of like, yeah, I

613
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.119
know they're there, but I'm playing
pool. I'm like they did he said

614
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.159
maybe when I'm doing my pool match, and I was like he kidding me,

615
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.840
Like, you guys hit in this
bar every night of your lives.

616
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.239
You're not gonna leave. You know, you can play pool the rest of

617
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:38.840
your life like this is like,
you can give them see some big foots

618
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:43.480
right now, I thought, And
so they wouldn't go. So then I

619
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.079
drove down a Trinidad, which is
like twenty minutes something like that, down

620
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:50.199
south there, went to the bar
there. There are some guys in there,

621
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.320
no one interested, and going like
they're just all there. Everyone was

622
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.320
laughing at me, except for one
guy was like goes, oh, though,

623
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.920
I'm not going up there, like
yeah, I know they're there,

624
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.360
but I'm not gonna mess with them
like an encounter and he was scared of

625
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.880
him whatever. So then I drove
down to Six Rivers Brewery and they were

626
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.000
closed, but there were some workers
and I knew all those guys really well,

627
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.960
those girls working. I was trying
to get these girls out there,

628
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.039
like going, come on, let's
go. There's big foots out there.

629
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.400
At this point. It's like one
one thirty in the morning, stuff like

630
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.000
that. There's like, no,
we're tired, We're tired. I was,

631
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.480
and I called people and no,
go back up there with you.

632
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:21.840
I couldn't do. And then no
one go with through the next day either.

633
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:23.440
I went back up there, and
that was the scariest thing. Every

634
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:25.519
day was the next day, well, first I drove to Creston City,

635
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.199
which is a couple of hours.
Went up there. I went to John's

636
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:36.880
place whip Smith River. He gave
me infrared floodlights, sunny night shot camcorder,

637
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.800
and yeah, so I had a
couple. I had three big infred

638
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:45.360
floodlights and its sunny night shot cameras. Go okay, go put get some

639
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.000
bait outs. So I went and
got some smoked salmon, and I got

640
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:55.159
all this stuff like donuts, salmon, honey rolls, like just sweets,

641
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.639
you know, and some cooked meats, smoked meats. Go back up there.

642
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.599
I got the next day, like
later afternoon, and I was so

643
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:05.840
scared to go back up there,
and I was like, well, I

644
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.239
gotta face my fear. I gotta
I gotta get this thing on film.

645
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.920
So I did what John told me. I set up the I set up

646
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.440
the food, and I put it
there's I tried to like hide the lights

647
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:16.480
near behy, but it was just
so stupid, like I didn't think of

648
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.280
it, didn't see that. But
I didn't have a better idea. It

649
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.320
was just get it on camera.
You know. It's because it was there

650
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.199
wasn't any moon, really, it
was. It was pretty it was really

651
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:29.199
dark out, so I was like, okay, I need to use uh,

652
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.400
I guess I gotta use these floodlights. And I went up there and

653
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:35.440
when oh, when I got there, I had this on film too.

654
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.360
I dog d day. He would
not get out of the truck. Out

655
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.559
of drag him out of the truck. And he usually loved going to the

656
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.079
woods. Like he couldn't keep like
he was scratching out the window to get

657
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.360
out. Hea. I just wanted
to get out, run around and sniff

658
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.199
and play. He wouldn't get out
of the truck. While when he came

659
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.880
out of the truck, he ran
at the back tailgate and curled his legs

660
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:53.480
to his legs and wouldn't come out
from the truck for twenty minutes. I

661
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.159
was going to d come, come, he wouldn't come. And then I

662
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.719
got him out, drag him by
his collar, got him going. He

663
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.719
just stuck right behind me like this
tail between his legs. Not about ten

664
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:06.760
minutes walking around. There was no
sign of anything, you like, nothing

665
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.760
was around on, no noises,
and he relaxed, and you know,

666
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:12.760
ten minutes later he was back to
normal. Twenty plays. Okay, they're

667
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:16.760
not here, Wait until it start
getting dark again, set up that spot

668
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.480
where they came here, like there, like the twelve o'clock position point.

669
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.360
I went back into the tree line
kind of a little bit, but where

670
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.239
I could still see him, but
where they could kind of come up partly

671
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.679
obscured, and I put all this
stuff out on a old log there,

672
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.519
put all the food out there,
and then there was like floodlights. There's

673
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.960
just these floodlights coming down, infrared
flooding. I mean it was so bad.

674
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.360
I sat there and no sign of
no indication that I sat there all

675
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.320
night, I think til daylight,
no indication they were there. Nothing.

676
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.920
Five nights later, so I told
John what happened. He was all excited.

677
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.519
I was all excited. He called
his partners that he went out with

678
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:57.400
Jim Hooper and Manny, this guy
Manny from southern Oregon. So those guys

679
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:00.599
are coming down as normal guys.
And so I'd never been these guys in

680
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.360
perfect I knew who they were,
but I've never met him in person.

681
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.079
So we met up five nights later, four nights at this point, so

682
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.920
it's five nuts such of my sighting. And we went down to where we

683
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.440
where I estimated where I first herode
the calls come from. And so we

684
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.360
went down at several miles and we
pulled over. There's this big clear cut.

685
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.119
You come into it as you drive
along the road. You know,

686
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.880
you're driving the you're about two hundred
yards below the park boundary line where the

687
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.880
road is where that runs north south, and so the road at points is

688
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.159
close to the boundary of the park. Of the other points, it's a

689
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:36.199
couple hundred yards away. At this
point, it was kind of further away

690
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.679
from the park. So it's a
good one hundred and fifty something yards two

691
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.000
hundred yards up to the Because it's
obviously it's a clear cut. There's old

692
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.280
growth redwoods, so it's pretty obvious
where the boundary line is. As you

693
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.800
drive. You're driving along, you're
driving, you know it's all been cut

694
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.920
before at some point this area we're
driving through, so it's you know,

695
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:57.280
smaller regrowth stuff. But you come
in all of sudden on your left it's

696
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.159
clear cut all the way to the
line. You know, whatever was one

697
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:05.960
hundred fifty two hundred yards up to
the park boundary and and then it's really

698
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.280
small just hasn't been thinned at all, just pecker pole regrowth. Like I

699
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.639
don't know. It was a couple
of years. It was several years old.

700
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.440
It was. It was small.
They like the biggest biggest trees in

701
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:21.440
there were like you know, six
eight inch or something like that. It

702
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:25.280
was real closely the real regrowth garbage, and that went and so that ran

703
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:29.599
along your right on your right hand
side. That went along for another couple

704
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:35.679
like probably one hundred yards of that
stuff and then and then that stopped.

705
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.840
Then it was clear cut on both
sides to the cliffs edge that dropped off

706
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.920
like a couple thousand feet down to
the cloud. There's really steep cliffs and

707
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:49.719
steep hills then to your and then
up sloped uphill up to the park boundary.

708
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.239
There were some old trees that went
old goat trees went through the cut

709
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.920
area like a that turned out there
was the old hoop of footpath for the

710
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.519
hoop Indians to go to the coast
of your rocks where they could cross.

711
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.639
That's where they crossed get to the
ocean where they traded like you know,

712
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.599
for sea salt and shellfish. That's
and they bring stuff from inland and trade

713
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:15.320
with the coastal guys. Not so
this footpath was one hundreds used for thousands

714
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:19.159
of years. They're not allowed to
cut the trees along the footpaths like cold

715
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.719
you know, the Culturals preservation.
But this footpath and it's still it's like

716
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.639
a it's about three feet wide two
feet wide, it's about a foot and

717
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.559
a half deep, you know,
ground into the dirt. There's old growth

718
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.400
trees went. So there's these scattered
old growth trees going through the in a

719
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:38.039
line going through the clear cut that
went through the regrowth. There's and right

720
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:43.320
where they came out there are some
bigger trees and stumps there. But then

721
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.599
the rest is that just regrowth jump
you know, just little garbage trees out

722
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.559
them. And then it was just
a mass. So we set up.

723
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.400
We parked there. There's a little
spur road dropped down to the right head

724
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.559
and downhill towards the cliff in the
clear cut. It it was the landing

725
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.840
spot for the law. The lawyers
have been using it. This was a

726
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.599
fresh cut. I mean it just
happened like that year or the year before,

727
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:07.400
I guess the year before. But
you can tell they've been using it,

728
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.920
like they'd still been coming to other
in parking and doing whatever done They're

729
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:16.320
like you can tell the landing was
still used down there, so we're like,

730
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:19.440
all right, well this, we
don't want to block the landing off.

731
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.159
So they went down and set up
the call blaster was that big,

732
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.360
and it was the one it's in
the Willow Creek Museum now you know.

733
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.360
It's on the early BFR expeditions.
There was the big bull horn off a

734
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.840
Navy destroyer. It was a big
speaker for the loud speaker of a Navy

735
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.679
ship. And John had looked up
to a thousand watt amp with a CD

736
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.480
player that you could play like guerrilla
calls and the Ohio Call and all that

737
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.360
stuff. So they went down set
that up to the broadcast over the valley.

738
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.440
When we got out there, I
realized I had forgotten. And this

739
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.119
is earlier in the night. It
was still daylight, and I realized I'd

740
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:55.480
forgotten the nights scope. When I
packed, I was so excited about the

741
00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.199
night scope on the porch and I
called that buddy, eh you actually we

742
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:04.800
interviewed on the show here. He
was a nurse and he was gonna go

743
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.400
to go surfing up the clament anyway, So I called and said, hey,

744
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:07.920
you're going to the Clama Still,
I said yeah, I said,

745
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:12.039
dude, can you please bring my
night vision scop But he knew how important

746
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:13.400
it was to me. He goes, yeah, I'll do it. So

747
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.639
he went and grabbed my night scope
for me, drove up there, and

748
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.840
he got there just before dark and
he'd gone diving and had some abalone.

749
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.480
He just he'd had some. He'd
cooked some abalone. He brought the abyloni

750
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:28.039
up and was sitting on top of
the truck. It was you know,

751
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.519
it was just cooked. It smelt
really good. And so he had a

752
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.960
little toy to pick up. I
had match a little to two wheel driver.

753
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.400
We bought a little Toytos standard cab
you know pickups. So he had

754
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:42.800
a show on his little Toyota and
I had didn't have one on mine.

755
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.920
And we were parked right at the
edge of that regrowth and then John and

756
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:52.960
and Manny were in one vehicle and
Jim were down there and they'd set up

757
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.480
their call blaster. You know,
it's maybe forty fifty yards down from where

758
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:58.599
we were parked there, down on
a little spur road in the in the

759
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:00.960
middle of the clear cut. I
just told the h I'm like, you

760
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:02.679
know what, I want to go
up higher, I want to get up,

761
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:06.559
and I saw this big old girls
stump sitting up on the hill above

762
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.440
those guys. We measured it later. It was one hundred and twenty yards

763
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.559
one hundred twenty five yards from the
vehicles where we were parked. So we

764
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.159
we walked up there, and I
was so freaked out still by what had

765
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.039
happened five minutes early. I mean
I was I thought I was going to

766
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.119
die five minutes earlier by these things. So I was pretty nervous. And

767
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:27.119
oh when we got there, when
we did the first calls, before we

768
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.440
even set the calls, I did
my own calls. We got this crazy

769
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.440
scream from down on the clamp every
way below into this scream like the classic

770
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.880
murder woman being murdered scream, and
we were like oh, we were all

771
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.239
excited. We're like, oh,
yeah, they're close by. And I

772
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.679
said, hey, John, can
I borrow again? And freydis is the

773
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.239
most he was in the very final
episode of Finding big Foot when we went

774
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.880
out went up the final one.
I guess it was the second to last

775
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:57.000
one, the Bluff Creek one the
beside before the reunion show was the last.

776
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.800
When we did where we're in Willow
creek and we got those callbacks phns.

777
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.280
With John, we got the return
calls. But he's the most that's

778
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.400
the guy. He's the most fearless. Him and money Maker the two most

779
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.599
furious guys I've seen out in the
woods. Like never afraid of anything at

780
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.960
all, like nothing, like John's
not phased but anything. I said,

781
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:15.000
Hey, can I borrow one of
your guns? He goes, I just

782
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.280
got one. He had a three
fifty seven. I said, all right,

783
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.440
I'll take that. So I put
that in my backpocket. It was

784
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:22.360
a little snub nose out of my
backpocket. I felt better, so I

785
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.559
mean, eh, climbed up on
the hill. I went up on top

786
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:30.039
of that stump and I had to
the night scope and then we're there for

787
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.639
about I think it was about a
half hour sitting up there. And then

788
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.000
John was doing a live broadcast that
it was a TV show and a radio

789
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.360
show. At the time, it
was the six or seventh post listening to

790
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.360
radio show in the world. It
was Sightings that shows Sightings. I can't

791
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:49.000
remember the host, Jeff France.
So John was doing a live call in

792
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:55.880
to the show and he actually the
company running him a satellite phone. So

793
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.440
we had a satellite phone with him
to use for the call in they'd sent

794
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.800
him. So he was doing his
calling live, calling into the show,

795
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:08.039
and just as they were about to
start from the tree line where the where

796
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.159
our right where our trucks are apart, we heard three grunt growls and they

797
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.079
were just like what I'd heard a
couple of nights before that, Like like,

798
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:22.119
I can't it's like a into a
growlic. That's not it, but

799
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.639
kind of get the idea. There
was three loud, deep ones came from

800
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.079
that treeline where our trucks were.
We're like, oh my god, it's

801
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:31.800
there's one here. And I just
for some reason I thought it was for

802
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:35.880
sure the big one, because it's
not like that big one that charged than

803
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.800
a couple of nights before five innts
before. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

804
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:50.519
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll
be right back after these messages. And

805
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.000
I was all sided, so each
and passing back to the scope, passing

806
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:57.000
back to the scope. Then So
John's meantime trying to talk to the guy

807
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.440
Jeff France on the radio show live
with the satellite phone, but it's not

808
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:07.719
coming in. It's a he's having
bad receptions. He's in a barn classic

809
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.360
dude, Michael Scott, he had
a was it a barren nose? A

810
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:14.679
sea bring? He had a convertible
sea bring and they had the top down.

811
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.320
He's in this little you know card
you know. He drove up there,

812
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.079
driving real slow, just going a
couple miles an hour, trying to

813
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:23.760
get reception. And he gets reception
right next to my truck. And he's

814
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:30.400
parked there and I'm looking down.
He goes, hey, there's a bear

815
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:32.039
stump on its feet and growling,
I mean the tree line kind of truck.

816
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:36.079
And we figured, well, that
makes sense because we got the abylone

817
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:37.280
up there. You know, it's
fresh albon. He just coached. It

818
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.679
smells killer. So we're looking there
and looking there, and that's why I

819
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.960
was looking at going God, how
could I miss it? I don't remember

820
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:45.920
that big stunt. There's this big
black stump on my truck and Johnson.

821
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.199
There's Johnson on the other side of
my truck, you know, sitting down

822
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.199
low in his little convertible. I'm
going like, I mean, he's only

823
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.679
thirty feet from it, and I'm
going like, how did I not know

824
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.559
there was a giant stump? Next
to my truck, because, like I

825
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:02.039
said, the biggest tree done was
eight inches and there's like this huge black

826
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:07.360
stump next to my truck. I'm
just like, God, that's weird.

827
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.320
And then I see the stump get
up, turn and walk into the tree

828
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.960
line. I'm like, I'm telling
John on the radio, dude, it's

829
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.559
because he was on a he was
on a commercial break from the Sightings radio

830
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.239
show, and I'm on the I'm
on a little walkie talkie going, dude,

831
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.400
how can you? John's right next
to you. It's walking into the

832
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:24.599
tree line. He couldn't see it. It's behind my truck from his angle,

833
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:29.519
plus it was dark, and he
does not see it, and it

834
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.880
walks the show and I was just
blown away. So I'm looking looking,

835
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.920
and then I see it pop back
out about fifty yards down the hill where

836
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.320
those big trees come. At this
point, I didn't know that was the

837
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:44.239
old trail, the Hoopa Trail foot
trail. There's there's a pretty big stump

838
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:50.559
down there, like old growth redwood
stump, and then a deciduous hardwood tree

839
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.199
that was probably eighteen inches thick or
so. And I'm looking down her,

840
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:59.239
going, well, what is that? I'm seeing movement. And then I'm

841
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.239
looking and I a sudden I see
this thing walk across that little gap where

842
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.639
the trail is. It goes from
the stunt to behind the tree. And

843
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.519
I'm looking going and there was a
little bit of moon coming out. There's

844
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:13.320
just a little bit of moon coming
up behind the little bit of clouds.

845
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.079
There's a little partial clouds. And
when the moon came out just enough for

846
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:21.119
me to see there's enough light to
see, I see it go behind that

847
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.840
tree. So it's heads behind the
tree, but it's shoulders are hanging out

848
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:27.679
each side by like a good foot
foot and a half or sticking out each

849
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.760
side of the tree. Then I
see it lean out and poke its head

850
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.559
out. Just look like a coconut
sitting on top of a brick shed or

851
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.519
something, you know. I mean, it just looked like this big solid

852
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.039
mass and then with a coconut on
top. And then you see the coconut

853
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.400
lean out. Then when I flicked
on that little iron light, I'd flick

854
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:45.519
on a little iron light on the
camera on the camera on the night vision,

855
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.360
it would jump back behind the tree
like it reminded me of an ostage

856
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:52.000
with its head stuck between its legs
under the sand, like, Okay,

857
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.960
if I can't see them and they
can't see my head, then I'm invisible.

858
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.039
But it's it's body was taking out
both sides, so I remember looking,

859
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.519
and then it started and it walked
back over behind the stump, and

860
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:06.719
the stump came right between its belly
button in the bottom of its chest,

861
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.760
and it starts bobbing up and down
like a like I remember looking at Eric.

862
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:15.079
I guess, go, it's a
giant freaking monkey. It's a giant

863
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.559
freaking monkeys. Was doing that bobbing
back and forth, kind of like slowly

864
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.039
bobbing, and like it would raise
up on one foot, then raise one

865
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:23.679
arm, like it would raise up
on its right foot and raise its left

866
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:27.519
arm and left leg, then shift
its weight over to its left foot,

867
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.360
raise its right arm and right leg
like it was agitated, going back and

868
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.760
forth. Then it would and it
would lean forward and then walk back over

869
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.719
behind the tree and then poke its
head out behind a tree, and then

870
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.960
you can still see the rest of
its body. So I had the night

871
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.360
scope to Eric, and we go
back and forth for twenty twenty five minutes.

872
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:46.800
Whatever it is, just watching this
thing, and it would disappear whenever.

873
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:50.440
When we couldn't see it, John
say, okay, it's approaching me.

874
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.679
It's approaching me. We never saw
it come out on the tree line

875
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.280
by him again. I only saw
that one time where it came out up

876
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:58.800
there. But then you'd say,
okay, it's walking away there. We

877
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.440
wouldn't see it. He wouldn't.
He wouldn't hear it for a few minutes,

878
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.320
and we'd pop back out of that
trail head down below and be looking

879
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:09.400
up at us. And then one
of the bummers was was John had the

880
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:15.559
radio the broadcasting with the call blaster. Didn't Manny and Jim didn't know that

881
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:19.679
this was going on. They didn't
have a radio. So every time John

882
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:24.280
hit the breaks that meant to play
the recording the call blasts so that Jeff

883
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:29.079
French guys could hear it at home. And as he's you know, back,

884
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.119
he's going back and forth, pulling
back and forth, trying to find

885
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.159
the angle where he could see in
where it was every time he hit his

886
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:42.239
brakes. So the guys had played
the Ohio Hall Ohio call and then aggressive

887
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.719
Grilla call. So I was pretty
bungcous. I didn't want to what was

888
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.280
there to realize that the calls were
coming from us, but obviously did because

889
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.039
for the next fifteen minutes is John
went back and forth turning his brakes.

890
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.920
There was another Ohio call. I
mean, this thing was loud, dude,

891
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.159
It's just echoing through the canyon for
miles. And this went on for

892
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:04.719
a while, and then John got
fresher and just said, I've got to

893
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.480
see this thing. And we didn't
have any cameras, you know, that

894
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.800
could really record it. So he
backed up and put his high beams on

895
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:14.559
and yeah, you know, scanned
the tree line back ups. It was

896
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.400
headlights swept the woods and then we
didn't hear anything after that, just went

897
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:22.559
dead. But yeah, that was
my first. Oh so the next one

898
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:29.719
we went down there and that stump
we measured it was six foot nine,

899
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.880
six foot ten basically, so this
we thought. We thought it was a

900
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:37.320
four foot so looking at that night
from being next to the truck, Eric

901
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.280
never saw it next to the truck. I did. He only saw it

902
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:44.360
down by the tree line, which
was further away, but we were guessing

903
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:45.400
it was seven. We well,
just from where we were, we were

904
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.039
guessing it was. We guessed the
stump was four foot tall that it was

905
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.159
seven feet tall and was sticking about
three feet above the stump. We figured

906
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:55.159
that, you know, just looking
from the over figy to Wealth, the

907
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:59.519
tree is a twelve inch thick tree, you know, sticking out a foot,

908
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.239
you know, couple of feet wide, and it was almost as thick

909
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:05.920
when it turns someways across the trail. It was almost as thick as it

910
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:07.880
was wide. Not quite, but
it was. It was really thick.

911
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:13.159
We get down there and the tree
was putting into heavy house about eighteen inches

912
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.960
and it was sticking out eighteen inches
on each side. So it was like,

913
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.360
you know, four and a half
foot across the shoulders or something like

914
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:22.599
that, four and a half feet
across the shoulders five feet maybe at the

915
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.039
most, I'd say four four and
a half. There was at least three

916
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.719
foot from front front front of the
chest to the back of its back.

917
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:32.360
It had to be at least three
foot thick that way. It had to

918
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:37.000
be nine and a half. I
thought it was ten foot. But our

919
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:42.400
buddy who lived on the ranch by
there, who had sought on horseback on

920
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:46.519
a flat on it. He was
on a flat, leveled off landing area

921
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:50.920
from a logging landing. He was
on his horse and it was behind a

922
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:55.159
stack of logs, and he's uneven
ground that he said it was. He

923
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.599
was looking right at it, and
it was. He said it was nine

924
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.400
and a half foot tall, So
it was at least nine and a half

925
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.719
so it's between nine and a half
ten foot tall somewhere and there it was.

926
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.239
It was huge. Then John,
I had to leave out how to

927
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:12.440
get back to town that morning.
Size out of it pretty early too,

928
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:20.360
went down there and I left,
And later that day he found a seventeen

929
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.119
seventeen and three quarter inch long footprint
pressing the hard pan. This dirt is

930
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:28.599
like it's like rock in the summertime
when it's dry like that. It's just

931
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:31.840
you know, it was pressed down
three quarter inch deep in the deepest spots,

932
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.639
but it was about a quarter and
a half quarter to a half inch

933
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.199
deep most most of the spots where
it was the classic eight foot across the

934
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:44.360
ball seventeen a half inches long,
seventeen three quarter inches long, giant,

935
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:50.519
you know, just heavy let's But
there sat our Toto's put were impressed,

936
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.719
maybe an eighth ofvi inch deep,
and these things and they weren't even that

937
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:57.039
maybe sixteenth of an inch, eighth
of an inch of the most This thing

938
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.880
was you know, quarter inch of
the shallowest of at three quarter inch deep

939
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:04.079
at the deepest. So I mean
the turtle truck's not making a dance.

940
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:07.000
This thing was pressing into the ground. This seam was pressing into the ground

941
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.599
where the turtles we're making a dan
So I mean it had to have great

942
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:14.280
mass. And wait, you have
it. After we saw that, ever,

943
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:15.719
we went to bed. I was
just going to sleep in the back

944
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.280
of my truck and I like,
Eric moved over. I'm sleeping in the

945
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.159
back of the end of and he
had a shell. He had a regular

946
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:27.559
size you know, the small turtle
truck with the the shell was the same

947
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.079
profile as the height of the calf. And he had a carpet hit in

948
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:35.280
the back so that he could put
like, you know, store wet suits

949
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.559
and boards underneath that whatever when he's
sleeping. So I got and you know,

950
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:40.960
it's room for really one guy,
and I'm like, dude, move

951
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.519
over. So I squeezed in there
with him. We laid there all night,

952
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.880
barely slept. We thought for sure
we're going to get the truck flipped

953
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:50.719
over because there was a lot of
stories back there, in them picking up

954
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.360
cars and trucks and shaking them when
people were sleeping inside of him. So

955
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.360
I thought that was gonna happen.
I thought I was gonna rip off the

956
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.280
back and tear us out of there
or something. But nothing happened the rest

957
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:00.639
of the night. But it's kind
of funny watching me. I was like,

958
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:05.360
I was like dd my dog trying
to crawl into something, hide myself,

959
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.360
you know, just cuddling up with
my buddy all night. But yeah,

960
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.440
So then I spent a lot of
time up there. I mean I

961
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:15.360
spent nights and nights and nights and
nights with a sunny night shot out there,

962
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:21.280
hopings that I had a sunny nights
shot with a spotlight, a portable

963
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.280
spotlights you know, back when the
batteries sucked and they ruin out fast,

964
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:27.400
they weren't even a grade of light, and they were pretty good. They

965
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:31.599
were pretty good. I had that
with some red that oh god, that

966
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:35.239
red cell of fame stuff. What's
it called, Yeah, like dub between

967
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:37.840
I thing they call it. So
I had some red filter over over the

968
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.639
light, and then I had a
sunny night shot camera and I spent the

969
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.239
next couple of years up there,
just trying hoping to see this thing that

970
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.440
I was going to spotlight it with
the spotlight, then turned on the night

971
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.440
shot and film it, you know
that way. But I never had any

972
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.199
luck, just but I spent a
lot of nights out there. One thing

973
00:57:55.199 --> 00:58:00.159
that did happen out there, and
I thought they're looking was when it I

974
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:04.559
was up at a duleson prairie up
there you can park and go hiking down

975
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.320
into the road park and it's inside
the park. It's right on the road.

976
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:09.840
There's a little parking lot there.
I was sitting there in this ranger

977
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:14.000
because back then they always thought I
was some tweaker out there up to no

978
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.679
good. Like they'd hassle me hard
when they said they thought I was,

979
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:20.039
Well, there's a lot of car
break ins and there's a lot of math

980
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:22.679
out there, and so they thought
I was one of those guys. So

981
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:25.000
I'd get a house and they'd always
give me a hard time and hassle me

982
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:29.039
and stuff. So this ranger comes
with me, that one of the ranger

983
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.679
cops, he's grilling me, know, he's convinced I'm on drugs, and

984
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:37.920
like I just look like I am
I'm not, and he's giving me a

985
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.519
real hard time, you know,
and he's pulling my whole car and he's

986
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:44.920
pulling my car apart. You're just
pulling everything out of the back and going

987
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:46.880
through my bags. And I was
just like, damn, this guy's really

988
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.000
given it to me. You know. I was just trying trying to be

989
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.239
you know, always just cool to
them guys. I never gave any house.

990
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:53.000
I was like, I understand,
I understanding. Like I'm glad you

991
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:55.960
guys right here, because I've had
my car broken into numerous times over the

992
00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.119
years out here, and so glad
you're here. And I understand what you're

993
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.760
doing. You're wasting your time on
me. When I was telling about big

994
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:06.440
Foot, you know, because I
was always always always talking, I was

995
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.039
always trying to convince those guys,
getting them like stats and you know,

996
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:13.159
who's credible, people that have seen
him, this is that and that and

997
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.039
you know this whatever whatever, whatever
data details I had, you know,

998
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:20.920
lay on with them all the time. So the dude sitting there, give

999
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:22.320
me this, you know, he's
pass on me, just going through my

1000
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:27.679
stuff. I was somebody hear this, this is a screaming roar. Then

1001
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.239
we hear another roar, and then
I also need to hear this just bellowing

1002
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:34.920
and screaming and orient and his face, Dude, his jaw dropped and his

1003
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:38.280
eyes popped out of his head and
he turned just just went white. He

1004
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:44.280
was so scared. He and he
turned on his maglite and shined it over,

1005
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.960
and dude, like seventy feet from
a seventy five feet away, this

1006
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.559
huge black beard jumped on a smaller
black bear and had its head in its

1007
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.000
mouth and was just ripping it and
tearing it with its claws. And the

1008
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:59.320
one on the bottom was screaming its
bloody murder, and the one on top

1009
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.719
was roaring and you know, full
attack. The other one's full sevell scream

1010
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.679
mode. And we were just there
going we were both like, oh my

1011
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:12.960
god, like this is crazy,
and just watched this bears. He yelled

1012
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.679
at it whatever and had his light
and the light and all let the big

1013
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:19.320
one let go and they split apart, and the little one ran off and

1014
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:22.400
the other one ran off the other
way, and and then he was just

1015
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.320
like, you thought it was a
big foot, didn't you? And I

1016
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:28.760
was kind of laughing, and he
was not amused. He was like He's

1017
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.960
like, well, no, I
did, I did? You were?

1018
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:34.639
You were more scared than I was. And I was scared for a minute.

1019
01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:36.599
And he just goes, no,
I wasn't you know, and and

1020
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:38.920
then uh, he got really embarrassed
and he just laughed. Yeah. He

1021
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:44.920
never hassled me again after that.
Nice. That's wild. Yeah, because

1022
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.480
I had heard the story about your
first siding with the night Vision Unit and

1023
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:52.000
Fred it's being on the call with
the radio show, but I did I

1024
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.719
never realized that that was right in
the aftermath of that other encountering in the

1025
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:59.039
same place. I had no idea. Oh yeah, there are five days

1026
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.079
apart, because I saw it on
April or May twenty six and the first

1027
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:05.400
night Encounters May twenty first. Well, I see we're coming up on our

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01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:07.920
hour mark here, so maybe we
can hop over to the member section then

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01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:12.760
and talk about some of your other
encounters, whether visual or otherwise there.

1030
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:15.559
If you're up for it. That
sounds good because my best setting wasn't long

1031
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:20.400
after that A couple of years later, was in Mexico on the Hickoria Patch

1032
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.119
Reservation. I'll tell that story.
Oh, that'd be great. Yeah,

1033
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:27.000
we'll hop over there now, and
as Cliff usually says, you know,

1034
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.199
since I produced these, I put
together the show notes. I always have

1035
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:32.159
a link in the show notes,
and so if you're not already a member,

1036
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:35.679
if you'd like to become a member, it's only five dollars a month.

1037
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:37.880
We do an extra episode every week. Those come out every Thursday,

1038
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:42.880
and then we usually post additional content. So if there's photos or videos that

1039
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:46.519
go along with the episodes, or
anything Cliff or Bobo related in the meantime,

1040
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:50.840
those get posted there too, and
so the link to the membership section

1041
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:52.559
will be in there in the show
notes as well. Okay, folks,

1042
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.920
well that's it for this week.
Thanks for listening. Listen to that episode

1043
01:01:55.920 --> 01:02:00.119
of Bigfoot and Beyond with Matt and
Bobo usually Lift, but he's not here,

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01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:09.840
so until next week, y'all.
Keep it Squatchy. Thanks for listening

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01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:14.760
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1046
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:19.239
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1047
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.480
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