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Radio Network. Here is your host, George Hobbs. Ladies and gentlemen,
it is time for a very special edition of the fact Hunter podcast as we
are on the nine to eleven week, which we do annually to you know,
it's a multifaceted thing of what we do here. We always, first
and foremost remember the people in these events, whether it's Waco, Oklahoma City
nine to eleven, We do remember that they are actual, you know,
tragedies and victims in these events. And we also work to expose the people
who are responsible for them because we know what we're taught in it in our
Rockefeller indoctrinated classrooms where we're giving at best half truths. So we work hard
to expose the truth. And today we have a very special guest. His
name is Mark Williamson. His father was John P. Williamson, and he
died on nine to eleven. He was forty six years old and he was
the battalion chief for Battalion six of the New York Fire Department. He was
dedicated to his job and he rose steadily through the ranks during his twenty three
year career. He lived in Warwick, New York, in a home that
he designed and built himself. He had at the time two teenage children,
obviously much older now he was. He loved spending his free time with his
family, meeting his mother for lunch, golfing with his son, and watching
his daughter's basketball games. And he heroically gave his life on September eleventh,
two thousand and one. You know, I say all the time in the
military, there's training heroes and then there's combat heroes. Mister Williamson was a
combat hero. He saw the danger, he chose not to walk to safety,
but run into danger and try to save as many people as he could.
And that we will remember for his you know, forever, we will
continue to hold his name up and remember him as the promise we made twenty
two years ago. And joining us today to talk about his father and many
other things regarding the truth of what happened that day is his son, Mark
Williamson. And Mark, I just want to thank you so much for agreeing
to come on and share your story and your father's story and kind of your
journey to the truth. Right. Yeah. Great to be great to be.
I enjoyed, I mean really enjoy the program. And what's respect for
what you do? Well, I appreciate it. And again we were talking
a little bit before we hit the record button, and we always try to
be cognizant and remember that there are victims at all these events, and we
know the history is checkered at best at what they present to us. We
many people, including yourself, I suppose you know, over the last three
years, have really come to see the truth of this world and what it's
all about. So I guess, first, I guess the best thing to
do is, you know, start with your father and I guess your memories
how you wanted to work that out. But I also would love to hear
your journey to the truth and how do we go forward from this to make
sure right and this is a big one for me, you know, and
make sure that this event doesn't happen again. Sure. My father was a
fireman in New York City. We grew up in Orange County, which is
about an hour and a half north of New York City, and well we
had a normy life, but it was beautiful. My father was very involved
with my sister and I bringing it in so a lot of like our family
folklore, came from success my father had in the FDA. Why it's I
don't I don't know if he thought that he lacked a role model resume,
but he grew up in kind of a chaotic house. My grandfather was a
veteran of World War Two and the Pacific theater, and my grandmother was from
the Dominican Republic. She was very talented woman, could amazing cook, just
very talented. But there was something I think that maybe a little toxic about
my grandmother, and maybe there wasn't as healthy of a marriage or home life
in that house. My father, at sixteen years old moved out and just
started working and just had to get for some reason. I had to get
out of that house. And there was some chaos that kind of went with
his sibilants. He had two brothers, and there was some out all ism
and kind of white tress stuff, domestic violence, substance abuse and stuff that
might have played them, but I never my father never, never suffered from
any of those ills. I never saw my father drunk or inebriated or not
in control, and I always I always felt safe. My father had a
there was a there was a dome of protection as long as he was around.
And uh, when he was killed off, you noticed I was missing.
Kind of people would see him, they knew that, they knew who
you're old man. Yeah. And uh so getting back to kind of a
family folklore, my father joined the fire department a little later. He would
have been about twenty three years old, so people in his generation would have
had about a five year head start on him. And of the stories we
used to get over and over again as children was how he prepared and uh,
how he how he performed in the entrance exam and uh fiscal test for
the FDN Y. And it was the story of just how you know,
he prepared through calisthetics and through intense studying. And what happened was he made
the top ten or top twenty out of the thousands that would have went out
for the FDNY, and that in that class. Uh, after getting into
the f D and Y, it was it was lightning to lieutenant to captain
to chief. Uh. There was there was a firehouse in the Bronx that
that he started off, and I think I don't even know, but there
was there was something beautiful about that house and that these these men took such
pride in protecting property and saving lives and just being just being exceptional at at
what they do. And that was a you know that that was just a
strong theme of my father just being very proud of the job and then of
his success. He used to have a office in our house that he made
and he had this like this machine with two tape decks and a microphone.
And what he would do is he would make tapes of manuals of study guides
for these tests and uh, and he would listen to him over and over
again, rehavant to the calisthetics and the working out, and was just this
this was our My sister and I got a lot of our work ethic and
and this this was the tone set. This was kind of the narrative and
the story, just setting goals, achieving those goals. And he did that.
He shot through the ranks. And I can't think of anybody anybody that
was near him. I mean, he was started at twenty three and he
was made a chief. I think he was made before he was forty years
wow. And and from all accounts that I hear, you know, part
part of my journey was that about five, about four years ago, I
went reached out because I wanted to get as much of the story on my
father for the benefit of myself and for the benefit of my children. I've
always been rubbed that my grandfather kind of came and what had this life,
well, especially the service he did it in the war, and and none,
none of that story really needed. And that was I'm sure, I'm
sure that was part of the trauma in that house. That why my father
got out of there so early. But I wanted to capture what had happened
to my father, to know as much of the story. And it was
kind of even reaching out that that I would that I was able to kind
of have my my eyes open because it was something that I avoided confronting for
for about seventeen or eighteen years. And but getting back to the home life,
that's what it was. I mean, we we were very proud of,
you know, just just just the tone my father said, my sister
was a championship basketball player. Uh many given you know, she said many
records in the high school in our town that I'm sure still to there to
that day. And it's not a small high school. Uh. My father
and I connected through golf. Uh there was kind of like a stage in
his life where he where he got away from the calisthetics and he picked up
the golf. The golf was was very heavy, and he took me on
very young, and uh it was it was garthat we u. I made
the high school team in my town when I was in the seventh grade,
and it was it was just we had goal set. We were excited for
this high school that I was going to, and we had big plans for
that. And uh yeah, well I lost nine to eleven. Happened on
the first week of my freshman twan year in high school. Oh wow,
And uh yeah, But uh, I had a good father. I had
buddies that you know, they just I just didn't know knowing when that had
followed, like me, we would we would, you know, he spent
time with me. We would go you know, we took this golf thing
very seriously. But my father, my father was there. He knew what
was going on and and he protected us. And as much as nine to
eleven, as bad as it was there, it's there's a selfishness to it
that that this man that was lost, this beautiful man. Yeah, that
was that was somebody who's life experience I was going to benefit from. That's
somebody I was gonna visit. I was gonna bring grandchildren too. And the
the only word I could think of is just wasteed, just just a waste
that that that he just he got blown up in an ugly building and that
was it. That was just just a just a waste, along with all
the other man and families that that were broken. And uh no not that
and uh I'll I'll never be able to convey, well, my father meant
me. But it hurts. I'm this happened. I was fourteen years old.
I'm thirty six now, and it hurts. It hurts, George,
it hurts. Yeah, I'm so solid. I remember that day I was.
I went to school at this prep school in New Jersey and there is
this British kid, like an exchange student, I guess, and it came
into our class so many saying something, you know, with the accent,
about a playing hitting the World Trade Center, and the tigs came on and
we watched the whole thing. We saw, we saw the second plane,
we saw you know, we heard about the Pentagon. We saw the buildings
come down. Our school took us out. At this point, my schools
in northern New Jersey, and while we would have been a good forty minutes
to the bridge or whatever, if you wanted, just a little bit up
seventeen on the hill, you could see you could see the smoke coming from
from the events, so we weren't that far away. And our school took
us all up to the bleachers in a football stadium that was on our campus,
and we prayed, we prayed for the people that we knew had died,
and they called school and tried to make arrangements for everybody to get home.
I remember not being kind of you know, almost I don't remember.
I wasn't upset. I didn't know what was going on in the sense that
I knew my father. Then let me explain this, uh, kind of
another tragedy of that day. My father did his career in the Bronx.
When he was made a chief, he ended up a battalion U in Uptown
Manhattan, in the Washington Heights, and in August of two thousand and one,
whoever was in charge of the department wanted to shake up, so they
took my father from Washington Heights and Adam head up the sixth Battalion in uh,
downtown Manhattan, And that was kind of a tragedy of it that you
do, you do your whole twenty three years and then a month before they
moved you down to this new house. Oh my god. So on that
day I wasn't sure I knew. I knew enough about the city that the
World Trade Center was downtown, and then that wasn't really where my father and
there was just this invincibility that nothing then nothing would happen. And I remember
this was this was a wall to do school. A lot of our a
lot of the kids I went to school with came from well to do families
and they would have had fathers, they would have worked on Wall Street.
And I remember seeing this woman then she was on our campus and very put
together. Uh you know, it would have been about at eleven o'clock in
the morning because kind of you know, hot. I remember she had these
high heels on and just very done up and put together, and she was
hysterically the crying, and she was running and she tricked and she fell,
and I was with this was all boys school, and I was standing with
a group of guys and I remember just seeing it, It just stuck with
me because that was the first got a site that that that, you know,
Pete, that things were going to be different, and that that's something
horrible. Had it just happened. Yeah, And whoever that woman was crying
for, he's fine because of the prep school of kids who a lot of
fathers and mothers would have worked at Wall Street. The only one who lost
somebody was the kid who's dad was a fire. And we want to remember
going home that day. My mother was working, she had gone back,
and we all met up at the house and it would have been the afternoon.
I have family that's uh New York State trooper. So both the roads
were shot down, and so he came by, uh, collected my mother
and they wanted to the city two presumably check a hospitals and to see if
you get a line to my father because nobody had her from and I remember
my sister and I my sister's friend. We decided we watched TV that night.
H remember seeing the Building seven come down. You know, we just
watched the TV. The next day. The next dayre gonna bet a vigil
at my neighbor's house. Are our priests came and it was. It was
here that you know, some people like the way that people would grieve me
and talk to me. That guy could just see that I was fourteen years
old and I just you know, we had heard from my father there.
You know, it would have been well over. Would have been about thirty
hours since the incident, and I knew, I knew it it was bad
when uh we left, When we left my neighbor's house, we walked back
to my house and we walked into the driveway and my father's car was there.
What had happened? Obviously somebody at the house got his keys, drove
the car back and then I guess jumped in with somebody that was following him
and didn't have the decency called me and check out us. An. I
didn't think that my father was there, but there was a second sure we
found out on Thursday. Somebody from the department, I guess reached out and
they would have sent you know, I have I don't know, maybe some
formal guy with a flag. Yeah, but uh, my uncle, my
mother's brother, uh, I think took took the news and told my mother.
My mother got my sister and I told him they found your father.
But it was too late. I don't I don't know what. I don't
know what they found to go going on something else. That's that's another thing
I have serious questions about. But that was that, and we had,
you know, I I guess you could say we got something. I mean,
I don't, I don't know what's in that box that we buried,
but I I definitely questions about that, and that it was just back in
the mix back at school on Monday, and it just, you know,
life on the iconic felly glass, you know, something stopped for me and
everything else kept going. But that was life. And never questioned it that
your father was murdered because some very quick terrorists were able to take over these
aeroplanes and they knew how to fly these planes, and and they they hit
us, and they just they just caught us with our guard down, and
there was no question about it. And life went on. Uh. I
went to college. I used to I used to keep this picture of a
I guess it was and that sixteen or something, a fighter jet, and
they put my father's knee under the cockpit, and so this picture was just
a picture of this jet with Fatali chief John Williamson and I used to keep
it by my computer on my desk when I was at school. Life keeps
going on. Uh. I meet my wife's Melissa. We're together and we
get married in twenty fifteen. It was great. Uh. We were excited
about starting our family and it was it was hard. We Uh, we
weren't able to We had some problems starting starting our family and just had to
be just super intentional about you know, the stars had to be the stars
had to be aligned. I had to have my lucky socks on the right
feet. And we finally conceived and I was in the hospital. Yeah,
we were in one of those small rooms and I was wiping the jelly off
my wife. We had just done you know the thing where you listen to
the heartbeat and the ultrasound and they're going over the plan for how we're going
to get through, you know, how this is gonna go till pregnancy.
And what they do is they set it deep called I think they called the
induction, which is it's you're not in labor by now, you're gonna come
in. You know, we'll set a day you come in, we'll induce
yet and you're gonna have the baby. And the date was September fifteenth or
the fourteen, and I remember hearing that and god, uh yeah, that's
that's pretty close. So things go smoothly during her pregnancy, and uh,
we're sitting around on the tenth and my wife comes to me and doubts me
go back to cark and she had out all the time with it. It
wasn't merely it ended up. It ended up in a c section and our
daughter was born at eleven something on September eleven, and I was focused on
just on my wife. But when when everything was done and I saw my
daughter, that's it's emotional. But well that was that was about one man,
and it's beautiful because it's it's happiness on on the dark day. And
it was from there that, you know, my my life changed. I
mean, but I don't I explain it, but there is it's there's something
beautiful about seeing children and just how that's all the matters to you. Ye,
But but it's hard and with uh, it was I missed my father.
And so after a little bit after this said, it was probably more
of the following year. So this was twenty to Swiss twenty eighteen. Uh,
you know, twenty nineteen. I became just very interested in getting as
much as I could about my father, these these fellas that you know,
so many of these guys that we knew. You know, we grew up
in a fireman household of my used we used to know people for no other
reason than you know, they were firemen, they had kids, our age.
We'd go and there was a community video about sure. And so I
want to reach out because I noticed that just a lot of these poor guys
where they were, they were getting sick. These guys where I'm hiled they
were there that day, they were getting cancer. And I wanted to capture
the story because I need to explained to my children that I need to know.
And so I knew. I was very studied on you know, the
the official story. I you know, I read about Osama bin Lad,
this guy Osama bin Laden and everything that was going on in his history with
the CIA and the Mujadeen and Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Colbar Towers and Tanzania
and just this, you know, this, this this evil path towards nine
to eleven that you know, the USS coal and all this stuff. I
knew about the hijackers, Muhammadata and everything, the story of these these boys
messages, these these cell phone calls in the year two thousand, connecting over
rural Pennsylvania for twenty minutes, and let's roll and the Pentagon and just the
whole everything that it was. I knew it because that's what happened, and
that's you know, So I I met. I immersed myself in it to
study. But I was concerned about that day. I wanted to know what
I could and there was an obvious problem, and that was that my father
and everybody that was with him that day was murdered. So there were some
other fellas that I gotta be I gotta be vague about understood about this because
these men are off the record, and by I'm just that's that's their own
choice, and I'm not gonna put them out there. But I reached out
to one in particular. It was a man I respect, I knew my
father respected, and I thought this guy could give me some insight into what
might have happened that day. I thought that there was the potential that my
father, being the chief, he rode in a suburban and there's a rule
called battalion need or chauffeur, and that is you know, the guy that
stays with the chief and drives the suburban that he's in that I thought there
was a possibility that this guy might have survived. He didn't, you know.
I was interested in, you know, just talking to somebody that was
would have had some insight into what happened that day. I was always haunted
that my father's well last moments were racing down a staircase or you know,
trying to get trying to get out of that goddamn built it. Yeah,
and so I'm talking to this fella and Dad's I am. Now I was
having a hard time. Then he knew this, and so he's just telling
me, you know, just trying to fight off the dead air in the
phone conversation because I wasn't talking, and he's telling me stuffing about my father,
and then he just says, I gotta tell you Mark. And part
of it was in response to this idea I had that that my father was
was, you know, we'll get into it. There was when the south
power fell, the command center in the lobby of the North Tower was wiped
out and they lost communication. And so what happened was it seemed like the
fire and they were climbing the north tower, either felt the fall of the
building or some way ward was able to get up the stairwell to turn around
and head back down. My father and the crew there were. They climbed
into stairs, but they found an elevator that that sent them to the forty
fourth floor, which was a sky lobby where these local and express elevators I
guess would you know meet and you know it would be where you would switch
elevators to get so I imagine this would have been, you know, more
of a lobby, but in in in the center of the building. And
what this man explained to me was that you know, your father was your
father was about to win his job, and he would have been up there
setting up a command center, probably some kind of triage to assist and help
the wounded it get out of the build it and that that and what he
said to me was, I don't think where you didn't say, adam with
fate. He said, death didn't come from above for your father, for
your father. You know this, your father, your father was killed by
an explosion, and that those buildings were brought down by a demolition. And
if your father wouldn't have known what hit him, and uh I looked into
I read I think they called the Voice of nine to eleven, and it
was put out by the New York Times. But what it is is they
a debrief of the city personnel at the ny EMT Police that went into the
building. And when you hear the accounts of these guys, they were in
the north tower. They didn't know what was going on. When they were
in the stairwall. They were in a stairwall in the center of this building.
These floors are are ach or wide. Many of these guys went into
the building before the second plane hit and emerged to to a world that they
didn't even know. The second planet hit. They come outside, the towers
are down, though the city's destroyed, they didn't know, And I get,
I get some kind of a small amount of piece thinking that my father
was doing his job. And then then it's just that when this conversation I
had, it bended about a minute after that. Surely after that at the
time, my kids still took a nap. They were napping, and I
don't remember what my wife was doing, but I knew that she was she
was about forty She was at least forty five minutes out and I had this
just this adrenaline kind of fight or flight hit where it was just I remember
being in a panic that that forty five minutes wasn't enough, it wasn't enough
time for me to just stare at the wall with my mouth open and just
process what I had just heard and this with without I didn't know anything.
I didn't you know, I I I just knew official story stuff. I
never explored, you know, we want to call rabbit holes, but I
mean I just never listened to anybody that was saying anything different, and it
just kind of this what this man told me just broke through it, and
it was just this kind of you know, like this, I mean,
if you could imagine, you know, what it was supposedly, what what
the moments are like before death, where it's just this this catalog been just
runs through your head. I'm thinking, you know, everything just kind of
you know, the death of my father. But then it just went past
that and it's this this, the cops looking through my bag in this subway,
these these menutes he's walking around Grand Central Terminal with guns that you know,
I felt that made me feel comfortable and safe. This's nonsense with the
airports. We went to war over this that that that jet that was in
that picture on my desk, and the you know, just kind of like
the thought of the hell but there was probably at least from this thing on
these people and just this tsunamious stuff that was all triggered from what this man
said to me. And it was from there that you know, I was
able to you know, I remember pulling it up, going on YouTube,
and I never watched the collapse. We saw it that day, but this
wasn't something I'd go on YouTube and you know, I'd watched the towers.
There's I was. I was haunted by sure, these images of you know,
what you would see on the news all the time, that kind of
silhouette of the outer facade of the Alding that was remaining, and the piled
smoke and nine to eleven just you know, you look at a digital crock
at nine to eleven. It's just just always haunted by this stuff. I
didn't, I didn't look at it. And I pull up this image of
the tower and I'm looking at it and it's just this building was blowing up
and I could just I could just see it, and you know, from
there, I found. I mean, and this is before you know Silverstein,
this is before I knew about you know, if I found you,
I found you, I found others. But this was before you find out
about Silverstein, about passports being picked up. But on the street belonging to
these hijackers that you know nothing, there's no there's no black box on this.
Uh. It was just just just the obvious lies that you just didn't
see and in anybody. And if you could just accept that maybe they're lying
to here and it's and that's all, that's all it is, and you
could I just was able to to get all the way through this. Now
I'm gonna say what, but probably Edd, this was that I U you
know, I became I enjoy I know, I enjoyed politics or like I
found alike in for it and just kind of just just as as an observer
that I just I'm just interested in I have been, and I wasn't paying
attention till till Obama. But you know, and I would describe myself before
I had an idea what was going on. I was, I was a
Fox News Republican. I was you know, you fight them there say you
don't fight them. He hearing you know, whatever they were saying, I
would have been I would have followed the narrative of Fox News that that's that's
where you know, that's that's what's telling the story of the world. And
I'm I'm kindless, I'm kindles where I was going. Uh, I'll tell
you That's what got me through about the Third Tour, that that's the kind
of lies we were telling ourselves to keep ourselves going over there. We're we
were by being in Iraq, you know, we were fighting the bad guys.
We were keeping them occupied over there so our folks back home would be
safe. These kind of were the lives that we would tell ourselves to make
ourselves feel better, go ahead. And this went into you know, so
it's like all through Obama that that these that these people lie to you,
that this meet Like I was really I was aware of that, that they
will lie to you. And then we see this Trump Russia thing, and
I was very I was following that and just just the lies of this,
and a couple of times it came to me because I'll I'm not I'm not
big, I'm social with me, I don't care, but just just how
I am, how I talk and I'm not I'm not shy to say like
what I'll think and I and and you know, my political views are are
conservative and in in you know, in this climate that you know, people
find that I mean unjustly, but you know the climate we live in where
I'm not, I'm not I'm not going to hide my views depending on who
I'm around. We grew up in a very liberal area. I went to
liberal schools, and it was just like you knew, you knew how to
talk in front of these people. It's just something I did unnaturally. But
I'm just I don't. I just don't do it. And it was this
is this is something that I think was before that, like as far as
like politics go. You know, we have friends that kind of roll their
eyes when I get going because I'm just so I'm interested in And it was
it was going into so it was the rush of stuff and then we'd go
into this COVID thing and it was, you know, this this realization I
had was about you know a little bit earlier than this time of year,
in twenty twenty, and it was just because I saw it that just these
people are liars and beyond that, there there's something evil here. I mean
this, you know, what they were doing with the COVID and putting the
people in the nursing homes, and there was just I could just see the
whole thing. It's just it just kind of primed me that when this man
said what he said to me on that telephone call, it just that that
was that that was the straw, that that was just enough to just push
it through and I was able to just you just you just see it for
what it is and just you stop, you stop listening to the to the
lies, and you know how they intentionally try to make you sound crazy and
you know, just portray anybody that doesn't believe it as as crazy. I
remember this clip of this fool this uh Matthews. I don't know where I
saw it, but emiscenityc there you go. And the clip was that he
was doing some you know, he's on an anchor desk with a few other
people and they cut to a reporter and the reporter gets heckled about something,
and so they cut and they go back. They go back to this idiot
and there's some dead time and so you know, they start blah blah blah,
you know, to fill the dead time until they can get to the
next segment. This guy starts going, yeah, you know, there's a
lot of crazies out there. He goes, you guys, ever get the
Building seven one where the guy will yell building seven to you, you know,
building seven to you, and they're all, you know, all these
other guys around the table or you know, and it's just how they they
make it say, you know, you don't, you don't want to talk
about it, but I mean, just if you have the simple discussion,
I mean that building seven, if you if you'll, if you'll look,
if you look at it, it's it's these these there's something clean about this,
these were buttoned up operations. This and how they're able to convince.
Yet it's the same thing as the COVID. It's the same thing as them
stealing elections from you. I mean they do this and I mean right in
front of your eyes and then tell you, tell you it's not happening.
And I believed it. I mean I I went, I went through so
much in my life believe in that story. And and it was, you
know, I went through high school believing it. For for for I I
I hated Muslim people these these these people were were different than me. I
just I hated them. And I don't think, you know, I'm not
I'm not saying that I'm in love with Muslim you know now, I'm in
love with Muslim culture. I think there's certainly problems and it's there's a lot
of it that's in conflict with how we live in this country. But these
these people are on our enemies. And it's just just just the that you
look back at how much, how much time was wasted just just living,
just living in the dark with the with the lens on, and yeah,
it's it's it's the true. If I could add something to that, man,
I remember, So I was in Hawaii when had happened, and I
had orders to go to Four Drum, New York, and we flew from
Honolulu to Los Angeles. That was our first flight on October twenty fourth,
two thousand and one. So this was about six weeks after nine to eleven,
So you know, the vibe was still very much there. Two things
I remember about that day. Number One, my daughter at that point she
was born, so she was two months old. She was born in August
of two thousand and one. You know, the old carriers you have the
kids in, you know, you scoop them up and you know the little
carrier that you all your your little baby around it. Right, So we're
going through security, and as you know, right after nine eleven, security
got ramped up tenfold, like you mentioned, and they unbuckled my two month
old daughter. I had my military ID active duty, and they unbuckled my
daughter and they searched my two month old daughter for a bomb. And you
know, in retro I was very angry at the time, but even when
I talk about it now, I started to get really upset how ridiculous and
what a police stay we we became. But the other thing I really remember
was we had a couple of Muslims on our flight, and bro, I
remember the looks the people on the plane gave those people. And it's kind
of shitty, pardon my language, but to treat an entire group of people
based on what we know. I was alive, that was and these things
in retrospector are really hard to swallow, man, And it's a it's a
shame, yeah, yeah, and so much. And then you know you're
called you're called a bigot by the very same people that planted right right,
this bony notion and yeah, I uh, I don't well, you know
what we'll do. I mean, we just did this country. I mean
we will well. I I don't know what what the pronoun is, but
I mean, mh these countries that would just turn it upside down. Yeah,
uh, it's the whole thing is horrible. And I mean I think
back yet to them, you know that, you know, you wake up
and they're they're telling you what color day it is because of the threat level,
and and just keep keeping you scared. It was. Yeah, it's
it's hard. It's hard to think back on that just just how just how
much they had to badge in the spend and and just how just how big
this thing was. And I know you had kind of mentioned in one of
your emails, I mean you felt at some point the thought of joining the
military crossed your mind. Right, it wasn't so much joy in it.
So I mean I went to my my father, my father and mother,
even though they didn't live the life. My father never promoted the fire department
so as much as like in many ways he would have been mister f D.
And why kind of like a company man in a sense. That sure,
you know, he shot, he shot through the ranks, uh,
and was just very very dedicated to the job. But you came back to
our house and it wasn't something he got awards for, I don't know,
bravery or you know, some some incident had a good outcome and he would
have got some recognition, and so they'd give you a plaque, a trophy,
a clock or something. And and he kept these things in his workshop,
whereas other friends of ours, you know, something similar that would have
graced the mantle and you'd go to you know, friends of ours houses.
Then I'm not I'm not at all criticized at anybody, but like this guy,
like this fireman, you know chic where there's there's gonna be a halligate
or a or a fire hydrant incorporated in the home decors somewhere, and that
wasn't at our house. And my father and mother had white collar and professional
aspirations for my sister and I and and I think this, I mean,
my father didn't understand that world, and I mean there's there's something complicated there
and why I'm sure he was. He was very proud of himself, but
he just wanted something very different for for my sister online. Yeah for sure.
Well, I'm sure he has seen some things in his career and as
a as a parent, you don't want your your child to be exposed to
risk like that. I'm sure that was kind of his line of thinking.
I would imagine. Yeah, yeah, I'm I know know what finally wanted
the best. But I mean, I just where I ended up by you
know, I I have a distribute some business. I've run trucks and crews
and yell and scream and I you know, will went through college and spend
my twenties and you know, more sales in corporate and just through us moosis.
I ended up where I am because this suits me. And you know
they'll they'll like my father I had that. I think that's exciting. I
think I think he made he made a nice little spot for himself. Sure
he was the boss, he had, he had the driver, he was
in the suburban, He had his own room, his own bathroom in the
house, and he he had a nice little thing for himself. He never
talked about retired, even though he had plans for after it was I'm I'm
very proud of I'm very proud of of when my father accomplished that. I
wish that he would have been more. I wish he would have worn it
on his sleep more than he did. Sure, And and being at that
rank, I think at that point, and I'm not here to pretend like
I know a lot about the FDNY, although I know it kind of parallels
the military, he was more at a point where he was doing a lot
more admin than jumping on trucks and putting out fire at that point, right,
Yeah, he would have he would have rarely had to, I guess
to end and to the phrase so much. And you know that's you know,
I spoke to UH. I spoke to his old chauffeur, was a
good friend of his, who was his driver when he when he when he
was the chief in Washington Heights. And you know, that's that's what they're
opened for that day because by the time they made it down, both the
buildings had collapsed. And yeah, this villa tells me that they got there.
He saw the the sixth Battalion UH suburban and he knew to go to
the back door. He opened it up and saw my father's saw that his
Class eight. Yeah, and it was on the back seat, which meant
the helmet was on his head and he was in the building, and that
was that. And I spoke to that I spoke to that man, and
it's my heart, my art breaks for him, for for all of them.
Yeah, do you know, like what percentage of a battalion six was
lost that day or how many all of it? So what happened was when
when flight eleven hit, it was during shift change. So you know,
like I was saying that, how my father did his whole career only to
get bumped down there in August of two thousand and one. It wasn't his
shift he worked. He worked the night before, and you know, I'd
think that, you know, he probably had his car keys on him because
it would have been you know, the next shift gets in and whatever housekeeping
you have to do to see them on and then this happens. And what
happened was if if anyone is familiar with the nine to eleven Museum, I've
never been there, but there's an exhibit out of the ladder apparatus for Ladder
three. And what it is is, you know these kind of like it's
a tandem truck and on the back of the truck there's another steering wheel,
so it's one of those. The tractor was destroyed it so it's just the
trailer the ladder three that's lowered into the museum, and that is the same
house my father would have came out of where that apparatus was from ladder three.
And what happened was both shifts were there, so they loaded up that
truck and other guys jumped on top and it was you know, riding heavy.
Both tours went down there and they were all killed. So the so
the entire house, both tours were moll murdered that day. That's unthinkable,
man, that is Oh my goodness, and it just kills me. The
you know, the notion that you know, like minutes he he could have
been in that car and as long as as long as he just wasn't in
that preconsuburban, yep, he wouldn't have been where he was, would have
called that elevator and things would have been different. You know, your mom
might know some of these questions more than you, but I'd like to kind
of ask, you know, after this happened, who what were the type
of people, if any, did you hear from from the federal government.
And when they're done their their garbage investigation. Did did they mail your family
a copy of the nine to eleven report? I I know, I mean,
I know my mother has like the published Uh the cop in the nine
eleven could be shure report. No, there was, there was kind of
like nonprofits that popped up. There was they threw a lot of money in
the sense of not cash, but weekend trips. I remember, you know,
the Christmas, the first Christmas we had, you know, a lot
of a lot of stuff was sent to us. And I don't I don't
really remember. I don't really remember anybody like keeping us, you know,
any contact to my mother. I remember at at the beginning, and she
was a part of kind of the support group of wives that had lost their
husbands, and she was very turned off by how some of these women behaved
and didn't want to be associated with them. And we just we just we
just wanted to have lived our life. We you know, you would know
about updates, uh, you know, no, they lloyd. You know,
we got on board with a law firm and you know, I I
ambulance chases, yeah for sure. And that's that. I mean, I
don't I I don't remember you know, my mother being like super or us,
like just like you know, we wouldn't have been following the commission and
what they because it just interest didn't matter. Yeah, I get you one
hundred percent. Yeah, you know you mentioned the explosion. And I'm assuming
again, what was the year you had that phone call with the Gentleman when
he told you about the explosion. So it's been it's been three years since
you've kind of been, uh, you know, made aware of this,
and I'm assuming that you started doing a lot of res search and have you
come across the one video with the gentleman who he was a taller black guy.
I think he actually worked for the city. He wore glasses and he
came out and he had dust all over him and he talked about the explosions
and walking over people. Have you ever seen that clip? Yeah, and
he's talking about Building seven. Yeah, going back into the yeah, Building
seven before before you know, before I could see it for what it was.
I read, like I said, I read through the voices of nine
eleven. What I was looking for is I just read the fireman and I
was just interested, you know, what companies they were from, and just
kind of wanted to know anything about who was in the north thou er try
and get some insight. And you read these things and people are talking about
all types, you know, hearing explosions, being impacted by an explosion,
just all this stuff that was going on, and you know, I mean
in your head, you're just able to dismiss it with just the kind of
nonsense they tell you, Oh, well, you know, what you were
hearing was bullet rounds going off because the Secret Service had an office here,
and you know, YadA YadA, and it just kind of, you know,
everything kind of explained itself when you know, you talk about molten molten
iron, you know that was pouring out of these buildings, and just just
things that make make absolutely no sense, and you you kind of like justified.
I remember thinking that I heard, you know, firemen talking about how
when they would get up and they would you know, get up to a
new floor, they'd go to clear the floor that they were having a problem
opening some of the doors to this office because the suction from you know,
the the elevator shaft that was supposedly like you know, this fire just suck
at oxygen so hard that these doors that you would need a tool to pride
these doors open and then believe it. You know, well, yeah,
I guess it's possible that you know, they basically had this. You know,
this building was turned into a blast furnace and yeah, sure, you
know it just it just melted this steel and you just gotta able to justify
it. But I mean, when you go reading these things with it's with
new eyes. It's just it's there. I mean, these guys, I
mean, they couldn't see it because they were they were in it. But
whenever when you put the stuff together and you looked at them the outside,
there's no there's no gray air, there's no maybe this they that's they did
it. They these buildings were blown up, and and it doesn't the whole
thing about terrorists. It just it's irrelevant because the sun went up on September
eleventh, and there were detonation charges and thorovide or whatever took these buildings down
was already in there. So it's irrelevant that planes hit. Just just ignored
it because it means nothing. People knew about these attacks. People knew not
to show up to work. They knew, you know, people were making
pot stocks and making money off this and betting against air lines and video of
potating this stuff. Yeah, yeah, I can't. I have to ask
you this next question, and I can't. Yeah you know, I well,
no I can't. But man, when you when you again we talk
about waking up kind of is an evolving thing, but when you finally do
come out the other side. But for you, it was personal, So
from somebody who I'm sure you were a patriotic person. And I'm not saying
we're not patriotic. We love this country. It's been hijacked. But where
does your mind go when you when you finally realize that the events of nine
to eleven were portrayed as they say they were, you know, the official
narrative, do you start to wonder number one, like, well then who's
responsible? Or I mean, where do you go from there? When you
realize that, uh, you know that the official narrative is a lot.
Where did you go from there? That the only one that was you know?
And this is like, I mean, I'll I'll say this is speculation,
but well, I mean, I'm what I believe is that the only
the only one capable of pulling off something like that would have been this this,
this, this intelligence community this, yeah, whatever we got, that's
that's just just you know, it's tentacles are aren't touching that that that that
that's what it was. And the point was, you know, I had
this, I had this kind of realization one time that you know, because
of just because of the beliefs I am it, because I am the man
that my father raised, that one day I could be staring at a laminated
badge of you know, DHS person and it's like, here, I am
the son of a man who was murdered. Your this this whole bureau was
formed to supposedly, you know, avenge or prevent what happened to my father,
and that that one of these people could be knocking on my door to
tell me that I'm a terrorist. And and it was like like kind of
like a realization that I got like that. It was always that, oh,
well, this country, as you know, it's this this Obama and
what happened to this government and it was good and that it got bad and
it's that's not true. It was it was all bad, and that that
Patriot Act and all this other spyring nonsense was it was it was designed.
That was That was the point, that was, that was why this happened
to go these these this military industrial complex that that just needs this war,
and that they dragged this thing out for two and that that was the point.
That was the point, and then we'll we're out of that one and
then onto the next one. And that's that's just what the what what what
this country has and it's gotten so bad that it's just it it's it's it's
right out there in the open that this is. I don't know how how
people don't how people don't see it, and but I do because it was
met and and you've been awake to this for three years. So you know
here a week from Monday, we're recording here on September two, is you
get to celebrate a birthday and then you know, for for let's see,
from two thousand and one to two thousand or so, for nineteen years,
uh, you know, not including the birthday, which is wonderful, of
course it was this was the official narrative. It was terrible that happened.
Your father was a hero, and it went from that too. You know,
the own your own country has done that to you. So I mean,
how how much harder did that make? The anniversary of September eleventh,
for the last couple of years, because you never get over the loss of
a loved one like that. I gotta say that there's there's been as as
hard as this is, and it might not, it might not seem like
it. I got there is this. There's some bit of peace and that
that I've gotten from from this. I I don't know what my father's final
moments were, and I mean, however they were there. There was something
horrible. I was gonna I wanted to send you that clip that I had
told you about, and YouTube's got something where I had to. I just
wasn't able to see the video again. And it's then not that the French
film crew that followed Chief Fighter and there's footage, there's close footage of my
father there to all talk in the fight from before he takes his guys up
the staircase and he came He came in through the windows of the lobby and
God only knows what he will would have seen in that court yard. Oh
yeah, for sure, and I knew he would have seen some some things.
To this day. He was at the first World Trade Center. There
was a horrible fire in the Bronx. It was called Happy Land, and
what had happened was some guy got kicked out of an illegal nightclub in the
Bronx and he comes back with a can of gas, changed the door,
and lights in front of the place on fire. And I think, like
seventy people died. Oh the Happy Land fire, eighty seven people died.
March twenty fifth, nineteen ninety Yeah, oh my goodness. So my father,
my father would have responded to the to that end, it was.
It was horrible. My mother. My mother said he wasn't right for a
little while after that, But he wouldn't have been a you know, it
was the job and he would have seen it, but I could see on
his face that something something else wasn't right, Like kind of a theme I
used to get from my father. A law was you know, get your
get your head in the game. And it was like a criticism i'd get
in sports. You know, you're in the box and your coach is trying
to give you a signal you're not paying attention. You're in a huddle on
the basketball court and you're looking at the cheerleader, looking at the crowd.
And it always lay into me in the car ride back about you know,
getting the game, where he'd see it at school and you're scrolling around and
to kind of like focus, and it was kind of like this tongue in
cheek that, you know, this gallo of humor that I would have with
myself when I looked at the footage of him in the in the lobby,
and what I would say to him is kind of, you know, looking
at him, I kind of roll my eyes and say, you don't get
in the game because he's got this puzzled look on his head and he's kind
of looking around, and then you know, he talks to fight for and
there's just kind of this I can't I can't explain it, but it's just
not how it wasn't all business. And when I've come to kind of justify
what was happening was that he was probably just looking around, like what the
hell happened to this lobby? That no doubt, you know, again,
just something didn't something didn't add up that you know, I walk in here,
this plane at the top of this building, and this this lobby is
blown the hell and there was just something I don't want to say. He
looked scared, and it's a look you see on on a lot of these
guys and it's and they were it was bad. They would have come in.
They would have seen the these husk of bodies that would have impacted the
concrete. There was a fireman that was killed by by a falling person that
they might have seen. It just would have been It just would have been
horrible. But I don't think any of those men for the right reason,
because they would they would have been right believed that that building was going to
collapse. I don't think anybody believed that was gonna collapse. And there was
something obviously horrifying and inevitable about that client of the stairs, about what you
would be encountering. But I don't think that anybody was two, especially my
father, would have been thinking that this we're not gonna We're not gonna get
out of this. You know, it's horrible, but he's got his gear
and it just I I get kind of it since since kind of wake it
up, since we get up. Yeah, it's I it's easier. I
couldn't this conversation, even though you look at me and say, this poor
guy's a mess. I am, I am. I wasn't able to get
anywhere near this. I would have been I would have been too emotional to
even explain to anybody about my father, and it's it's but I mean to
get back to that, it's not it's it's been, it's been. There's
a piece. I have some kind of peace. I believe, I know,
I know the truth and it's it's not a lie. And it doesn't
it doesn't change the facts. My father was still murdered that day. That
doesn't really change it. And it's just kind of more then anything that's different
from that would just be just the consequence. And when you realize that this
this world isn't this world isn't what you thought it was, and it's it's
not for the better. Yeah, that's for sure. And I know there's
a lot of people out there doing a lot of hard work to to try
to bring this to light. Is it the architects for for nine to eleven
truth that they've been uh, that they were the one of the first ones
out there at the forefront science and listen the end that that this just doesn't
add up and you know, you know here we are. I it's it's
unfathomable to me to believe that in h what is it nine days, it's
going to be twenty two years since this happened, because it's still it seems
like not that long ago. And here we are twenty two years later,
and once again, these things like you were talking about earlier with COVID,
with hijacked elections, these things just keep going on and on and on with
nobody ever being held accountable. And that's one of the things, like for
me that that spins me up is uh, this world. You know we
talk about You mentioned the patriotism. That's one of the things I remember too,
like everybody in this country came together like September twelfth and the football games
and the flags and this and that and and now look how divided this country
is. It's insane and everything that has happened in twenty two years just is
mind blowing to me. Yeah, unbelievable. So, man, was there
anything that we haven't really touched on yet that that you wanted to mention.
I've been sitting here the whole time looking for your Your dad certainly looks like
he didn't miss out on pt or calisthenics or exercise and too much. He
looked like he was a big guy and he was a no nonsense uh like,
like what in the military version would be a battalion commander, which would
be lieutenant colonel in the military, and he got things done. And it's
unbelievable to hear that an entire fire department or the battalion six everyone was lost
that day. And I assume there was other probably other battalions that that kind
of had the the same. I mean, how in the world. Yeah,
and again you're understanding, you're ninth grade, you're thirteen or fourteen years
old, but man, how do you replace all that on such a short
notice like that? Yeah, and the the FDN Y that that my father
came up and just doesn't doesn't exist. And there's something heartbreaking about that.
Uh. You know, it's for what I said before that you know,
my father would have been a company man. Yeah, there wasn't. I
mean, I can't speak first hand on this, but you know, I'm
sure this is the same in the military, but you would see it in
kind of these you know, fraternity type careers where there's two rules. There's
the rating roles and the unwritten rules. And you know, for for as
much as my father would have been a company man, he would have been
in good standing with the brotherhood, with the unwritten rules, no snitching,
you don't make somebody else look bad. And you handle it, you handle
it inside, that's right. I know at uh, you know when when
I was very young that you know, the soda machine inside inside the firehouse,
a couple of buttons down there would kick out a different kind of carbonated
beverage and uh sometimes to h because of the culture of it that to get
where you had to get or to settle what was going on, you would
have to go step outside with somebody. And my father was just fine with
that. And I heard about that and those instances it actually happened in a
basement, not outside, but he was He always called it the brotherhood,
and I don't know what he would have thought if he could see it from
the other side. Yeah, but while he was there, he believed it
and and uh it meant something to him and he would He was definitely a
part of that. I know. I know a lot of men respected it.
And are they they I wasn't the only one that lost somebody that day.
And what the f d n Y was as an organization that that I
knew that that my father lived, it's it doesn't it doesn't exist anymore.
And it was just it's another it's just another sad uh kind of piece of
America or just beautiful tradition that was just yet out swallowed by wolkeness or whatever
the message is now when it's you know, you see what this this this
woman they got kind of run in the show now and it's just I don't
think my father, I know my father wouldn't have been pleased to see what
is uh this department became Yeah, unfortunately, this cancer's culture has infiltrated the
military and the fire department, the police department. There are very few entities
that are left that hasn't been infiltrated by this cancer, and certainly the highest
portions of our government. It's uh yeah, man, like you said,
much of American as we remember it is h is gone. And that day
is one of the certain one of the where it took another curve right,
it changed, It changed the entire course stamp, the way we fly,
the way we travel, and just look, okay, uh, what's happened
the last three years? Guys. The one guy was sentenced yesterday I think,
to seventeen years in jail for being escorted through the Capitol building. It's
still big. Yeah, yeah, heartbreaking And again he was he was I
think a two time Purple Heart recipient, and that is a that is a
disgrace. That just just horrible. And I that man you're talking about,
I know he actually has a very young daughter he hasn't seen and he won't
be seen, and and that is that is a horrible miscarriage and justice and
my art hurts for for that man and his family. Yeah, and there's
some yet there. It's it's bad. Every I've interviewed Jeremy Brown and he
was a master sergeant. He was a guy who was literally the poster boy
for the Special Forces. And it's just so many of these stories that you
hear and you're just thinking, man, what can I do? What do
we do? And that that is the million dollar question. I get those
emails all day, what can we do? There's a lot of people into
spare out there because they feel that you know, we people and you know
the lines of work, like your father and like myself, people who've been
invested in the military and who have been you know, in the community for
so long. To see what this country's come to, it's it's very disheartening.
It can be very disheartening. Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't imagine
these fellows because I mean, where the facts don't change so much for me,
My father, my father's murdered and yeah, it's the same no matter
which which glasses you're looking at it with what I think of these poor you
know, these men that they weren't affected, their their families weren't intact,
their lives weren't turned upside but out of a sense of duty, they go
and they they they signed up for this. They go over there. They
you know, if if they make it back, these the damaged people,
that for what and then what you see, what what you participate in,
and it's it's it's so horrible. You can't get you can't get your head
around it. And so much of I mean, because as I said before,
the facts don't change for me. You know, you know Mohammed Mohammadata,
you know flying into the North Tower or you know, some shadowy figure
hitting a plunger on a on a detonation device. It doesn't really, it
doesn't change the facts on the ground for me. But so many people were
ragged into this that weren't involved, and this world was turned upside down and
I you just you just can't fathom the evil that that these people. I
think of that, I think of that George Bush throwing throwing the pitch,
and you know, I remember, you know, kind of getting you know,
the chills and then then the Jets screech over the stadium and stuff.
That it's that, you know, that snake was practicing that pitch for two
weeks. Yeah, uh yeah, And I mean I remember supporting George Bush
and and it's it's just the the joke's on you. And you see this
picture they pull out of Epstein's house, and it's just you're just you're just
a little nobody and these guys are just gonna they just play with us.
And that's that's what this world is that we live. And you you think,
oh with you know, you grew up, we live in I live
in the greatest country. I live in, you know, New York.
This is you know, just you think that you got it better than nobody
in the world. Is it better than You're so lucky? And you then
you realize that you'll you'll live in your own Well, there's there's probably people
mostly around North Korea or something that you know, I have the same mindset
as me, and what just you don't know how clueless you are. Yeah,
and you just lost and you need to find you need to find the
truth. And U I uh, I just hope people can. I don't.
I don't. I don't know how to do it, because I mean,
you could, you could sit down. I don't, I don't know
what it takes. I hope that people listening to me can can at least
start to just start to start maybe just accept that maybe maybe they're lying to
you, maybe maybe it's not true in too. I I just I don't
know. It's it's it's such a it's such a mess. It is it's
like, uh, like anything else in life. You don't pitch something in
the butt. As soon as it happens, it always grows out of control.
Whether it's on and not disciplined child or a small fire in the backyard.
You ignore it, it's going to turn into a huge brush fire.
You ignore that child, you don't nip it in the butt, it's going
to grow into a bad child. And for so many years, and you're
talking about that agency with the tentacles, it really turned upside down. In
November twenty second nineteen sixty three, and here we are, this is the
sixty year. This November is going to be the sixty year anniversary of our
government killing a sitting president. And look how much in in ten in six
decades, how upside down? And that gentleman warned us about about these I
forget the words he used, but you know he called out the CIA in
that speech at the Astoria Hotel in nineteen sixty one or sixty two. And
man, the tentacle, you're you're not kidding. It is awful what it
has becoming. And it's all in this pushed for this one world government.
You know, a lot of people laugh at these things that they said,
but that's really what it's about. And uh, we're just pawns on the
chessboard, brother, And uh yeah, I've I've been doing that. I
absolutely so go ahead. Yeah, just just so much of the story that
they you know, my father, I mean, I tell you about my
my wife said I have in trouble having a kid. It's like you feel
like, you know, we're all like kind of like the Forrest Gump of
the New World Order, where it's like your life is being touched in all
these different spots by this the same toxic evil. Yeah, these did these
these people they want to get rid of us, and that's what it is.
They want to They want to control everything. Yeah, the Richmond nor
the Richmond. Yeah, yeah, you got that right. It just happens
to be Washington, DC. You know, I've done a lot of these
over the last four years, and all this week I've been thinking about how
to approach it. This is a very unique interview for me, and I
wanted to do it in the most you know, keen sense of tact and
do it in honoring your father and your family and everything that you had to
endure. And your story took a couple unexpected twist for me. The fact
that your your daughter was born on September eleventh is something that I think even
a Hollywood director would throw the script back at somebody if they wrote that as
a movie. It's it's unbelievable that on one day out of three sixty five
happens to be the same one that the beautiful gift of life was given to
you. Man. Yeah, that is just incredible. What an incredible story,
And there's no way go ahead. I'm so excited to just share,
you know, when when my daughter gets older, but that she'll know that
that there's something very special about her and there's somebody that's look it out for
her. And my son has my father's name, so his name is John
Paul Williepson. So they have something special their grandfather. Yeah, and they're
gonna know about him and his legacy and his spirit will will carry them with
them. And uh, brother, I'll do my best as long as I'm
I'm able to to try to wake people up with this platform that's been given
to me. So this, uh, what you went through and what kind
of I was dragged through, but they won't ever have to endure that again.
Hopefully we can change and make this world better somehow. And because nobody
deserves to go through what you went through, man, nobody. Yeah,
and I appreciate it, brother, the I can't thank you enough for this
opportunity. I uh, I hope, but I I just hope we can
save somebody. And I uh, I don't know if I did it,
but I mean, I just I'm I'm still proud of my father and and
I'm sure I'm you know, I I believe, I believe I I will
see or be with him in some way again. Uh, but I but
I but I feel him and and that said and just that there was there
was a beautiful name man and his name was His name was John Williamson.
He had a family that felt protected, He provided for yet friends and U
he was. He was a beautiful man. And that's I wish. I
wish I could Convaye more. But I'm just I'm just not able to as
I appreciate the opportunity. Well, well, Marcus story speaks for itself.
Again. There's people who run away from danger, and then there's people who
put their personal thoughts aside and they're more concerned about other people's well being than
themselves. And your dad was obviously a very special man. He raised I
mean, you're a very successful guy, and you've done a tremendous job honoring
his legacy. And I can't thank you enough for sharing his story because again
I told you in the email, I could sit here till the crows come
home and talk about you know, Flight eleven this and Silverstein that insurance this.
But I think when people hear it from somebody who was directly and I'm
not talking me directly, who went to war over it, I'm talking about
people who directly lost families on that day and had to endure that it's more
than just a rabbit holes, more than just a story, that it has
affected a lot of people's lives. And I hope for the people listening they
understand when we have these podcasts and we talk about these events, that there
are real people connected to it whose lives were changed forever. And so maybe,
just maybe you'll have a little bit more passion in your heart to spread
the truth and to I spent the last two days of this week on the
phone trying to get my governor on the phone, but he's a coward,
John Carney, You're a weak coward. And I'm just so tired of all
these politicians here in this country who think that we serve them, and this
is part of the reason why we are in this position we are today.
So we'll continue to all these people's feet to the fire and ensure that our
children don't have to endure this absolute craziness that we've endured over the last I
guess November will be sixty years But again, Mark, thank you so much
for sharing your story, your father's story, and keep you all in our
prayers and blessings to you and your Emily, and thank you for reaching out.
We'll never forget this interview. Dude. Thank you. I appreciate you.
Probably a U. I'll be listening to George and uh, I'm always
a supporter. If there's anything I can never help you with it, UH,
let me know I wouldn't have. I appreciate it. You are listening
to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts man,