WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:05.519 Streaming live. I mean I on radio. Wow. This is High on 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:11.000 the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jake and Salez on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. 3 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:14.119 Hey, welcome back to my I on the Ball hero Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. 4 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:25.440 I'm Steve, He's Jake. Now we have Ryan with breaking news again. 5 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:31.199 It's still not working, you know. I think we had this issue 6 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.520 yesterday. I think we need to reboot that computer. So, okay, 7 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.320 all right, we's it's Tigh on the Ball, breaking news, breaking news, 8 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:40.240 all right. So we're gonna start with the University of Arizona baseball tomorrow. 9 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:48.520 They start their tactical tournament taken on Washington down in Scottsdale. Should be 10 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:53.000 a good match. It should be good. I know, did we I 11 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.679 know we mentioned Chip Hail, but we didn't bring up all the other guys 12 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:00.520 who made the outpack. Yeah. So Chip Hill was named the Year, 13 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:06.280 and then six guys were named to the PAC twelve All Conference Clark Candiati, 14 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:11.239 Brandon Summer Hill, cam Walty, Mason White, Jackson Kent, and Yaron 15 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:17.599 Caufield. And then two other guys were named to the All Conference Honorable Mentioned, 16 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:22.879 Amelio Corona and Casey Hens. That's a pretty good group. It's pretty 17 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:27.120 good. And if you're looking for a reason why Arizona is the league champion, 18 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:32.319 you gotta look at the fact that all three of their starting pitchers were 19 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.280 named to the All Conference team. I mean, that's you know, that's 20 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:38.599 what made them who they were. That's why it was kind of surprising when 21 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:44.719 when Oregon State just abused them those first two games. Wouldn't your year or 22 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:48.480 two before there is a pitching coach the first year, first year or two 23 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:53.359 years now, because remember the previous coach was very thought of, highly thought, 24 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:55.640 but it wasn't working. It wasn't working. I think I think, 25 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:57.680 I think this is his second second year. Okay, so even then, 26 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:00.560 because remember they had some pretty good they had it was the guy from Oregon 27 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:05.599 State, yeah right, and it just it just it didn't materialize for whatever 28 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:09.199 reason. But you know, I mean, the you've got to give, 29 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:14.919 you know, the pitching staff a lot of credit for what this team was 30 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:20.960 able to do. With Candatti, cam Walty and uh and Jackson Kent all 31 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:25.360 making First Team. I'll packed, I'll pack twelve. They were you know, 32 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:29.639 and again cam Walty, who went you know, into the ninth inning, 33 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.240 on in the Do or Die game on Saturday night, you know, 34 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.960 is the reason they won that game. So and and these guys are why 35 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:39.319 they won the Pack twelve championships. So, you know, good for those 36 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:44.080 guys. And then again Mason White, I just he's not a big dude 37 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:46.680 and just hits the ball really far. You know, Brandon summer Hill who 38 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.240 had that game winner on Saturday night, and then Garreon Callfield. Those guys 39 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:53.560 are all really good, so good for them. Yeah, Mason, Mason 40 00:02:53.599 --> 00:03:00.439 White finished with sixty and seventeen homers on the season. So yeah, hopefully 41 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:06.319 they you know, the pitching shows up during this PAC twelve tournament and then 42 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:08.520 you know, yeah get that get off rolling. Well, we'll see what 43 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:12.479 happens. You know, I almost don't even care about the Packed off tournament. 44 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.520 It's just, you know, as we're talking to Ed Vosper, He's 45 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:21.479 like, what's what's the purpose right right? Other than you have some TV 46 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.199 programming? I guess when are we going to find out if they get the 47 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:29.800 host the regional? Next week on Sunday or Sunday and Monday. I know 48 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:30.960 when they announced it, How long is it? It's a two week? 49 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:36.759 How long is that tournament. This tournament yea, lasts all week until Sunday 50 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:38.520 or beyond. I'll look it up right now, beyond, because I would 51 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.439 assume that they would pick them right after the tournament. Yeah, if it 52 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.960 is Sunday, I think single tomorrow and it goes through Saturday. Yeah, 53 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:51.639 so then they'll probably pick on Sunday for the rest of the week because summer 54 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.439 for these guys goes into June. If they do really well and related to 55 00:03:54.560 --> 00:04:00.879 June, school year doesn't end. Yeah. The champion chip game is on 56 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:05.479 Saturday at seven o'clock. So there's this pool play and then on Friday they 57 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:09.879 have the semi finals. So there's four teams that come out of pool play 58 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:14.159 and then and then the championship is not and it's just a four team single 59 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.839 elimination bracket. So the two winners from Friday plan Saturday for the league championship, 60 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:24.240 for the tournament championship. Good luck to them. Let's stay with University 61 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.920 of Arizona. Switch over to men's singles tennis. Yeah, Number twenty two 62 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:34.680 Colton Smith defeat number eight Oliver Tart Tarbette Tarbett and well you say his name, 63 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:39.839 that was today he actually defeated him, and he's moving on to the 64 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:48.319 next round. Do you face number sixteen already? Yeah? That guy? 65 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:53.879 Because you want today he becomes an All American I think, didn't I say 66 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:58.319 that that he becomes an All American in the sport. Yep, he has 67 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:03.279 the first All American singles or doubles from the Arizona program since Roger about of 68 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:08.879 Longa. You're in the honors back in two thousand and six, so a 69 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:11.879 long time. You can just tell you how far this program has come. 70 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.879 Real quick, going back to the Pac twelve a baseball tournament, ASU who 71 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:24.360 came in really hot. I think they'd won like twelve or fifteen of their 72 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:28.240 last nine or some thing. And then they were the five seed and they 73 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.120 got beat. They got beat by Stanford, the eight seed in the first 74 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:35.600 day of a pool. Stanford was eighth. Yes, wow yeah wow. 75 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:41.360 And then right now a game going on right now, USC is the four 76 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:45.040 seed, Utah is the seventh seed, and in the bottom of the fifth 77 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:48.000 Utah is up five to one. Well upset Cities. Yeah, so a 78 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:54.920 couple of upsets, one upset and another one brewing right now. Hema College 79 00:05:54.959 --> 00:06:00.959 is Chemic College softball is currently in action. Right now in the elimination round 80 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.079 against Trinidad State College. Right now, they're trolling to nothing in top of 81 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:09.639 the six Oh that was that was zero zero going to the sixth. So 82 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:13.720 so Trinidad's hit for a couple of that. This that's a double elimination. 83 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.720 And and and Peman is already in the losers bracket. If they lose their 84 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.600 they lost earlier day sevens. If they got beat up a little bit so 85 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:25.439 they got to their final. God, it's three nothing that they just scored 86 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:29.199 another run. It's three zip. You didn't talk to them, did you? 87 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.720 On the side. I nothing, nothing. I didn't even think about 88 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.199 him, Steve, Okay, you know this is really hard for me to 89 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:40.720 try and not put the kiss of death on teams, all right. You 90 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.000 know, like my daughter's going to go to the baseball game. Theirs on 91 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.079 a baseball game up in Phoenix. They're gonna go to the game, and 92 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:49.399 I'm like, I can't even think about you being there because I'm you know, 93 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:56.439 because it will kill it bad karma juju. So switching over to the 94 00:06:56.519 --> 00:07:00.399 NBA today, we have the East Conference Finals going on. You got the 95 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.120 Pacers and Celtics going head to head. I looked up some numbers. I 96 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:10.319 was just curious about the playoff history for these two teams. Boston has been 97 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:14.079 to excuse me, Boston has been to the conference finals twenty four times. 98 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:19.480 Industry Pacers have been to the conference finals nine times. They have zero championships, 99 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:26.000 only one appearance back in two thousand when the Lakers won. So yeah, 100 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.839 they get I'm ruining for the Pacers. I want to see them. 101 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:32.000 I'd love to see TJ. McConnell get there, right, Yeah, I'm 102 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.399 always routing. But the Celtics are like the far and away favorite, you 103 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.839 know, Yeah, of the four teams left all the money, not all 104 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:45.680 the money, but the you know, the odds are are all everybody's saying 105 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.240 it's the Celtics, but especially with the teams that are left, because they're 106 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:51.279 all lower seed. Sure right through the West too, of Minnesota. I 107 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:56.439 mean the Pacers were a six seed that right quick, I think so, 108 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:00.519 I think the Pacers were six seed and then the Western Conference finals the three 109 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.959 verses four. You know, so people are all over the all over the 110 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.079 Celtics. I think the Mavericks fifth or is it three five or four five? 111 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.680 Right now? But it's yeah, three five, that's the Wolves and 112 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:22.000 Mavicks Mavericks, Mavericks, and then one six. Yeah, I mean it's 113 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.079 kind of like this thing is lined up for the Celtics to win a championship. 114 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:31.120 There's there to lose, exactly exactly. That's really all I had today. 115 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.279 Okay, we'll still got some time some time. Actually, I wanted 116 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.960 to bring on something last week. Didn't get a chance. About the NFL 117 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.200 schedule. What do you guys think about the NFL possibly going to an eighteen 118 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:48.840 game schedule in the future. Well, they have If they're going to do 119 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:50.840 that, they have to get rid of some of these exhibition games, right. 120 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:54.480 I mean, look, if they're going to play those games, they're 121 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.080 making real games, you know. I mean, it's more more, more, 122 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:03.519 more games to bead on. I guess there's the there's the I don't 123 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:05.879 know, uh, not being a player. I don't, I don't know. 124 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.720 I mean, God, where does it stop? I mean, and 125 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:15.279 and the and the the physical toll of this is. I mean already you 126 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.399 know you had running backs who they play two years and then they're they're used 127 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:22.879 up and they can't play anymore. I don't know, I don't, I 128 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:24.679 don't I don't think it's necessary. I mean, to me, it would 129 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.559 be a money grab again, you know. But on the other hand, 130 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.399 they're still they're playing game Like I get it. In those games, it's 131 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.759 not the guy, you know, Aaron Rodgers isn't playing in those exhibition games. 132 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:39.519 To a tongue, Bailo is not playing in those games. You know, 133 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.279 it's guys trying to earn jobs. But but I don't know, eighteen 134 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.960 games seems like too many. I mean they I guess they're talking about the 135 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.039 possibility of having like two by weeks for for all the teams, or like 136 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.320 an all Star break and then and then if you if you're if you don't 137 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.720 get a first round, by what do you gotta win four games to to 138 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:07.200 win the to win the championship? Or is it three four if you don't 139 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:13.759 get a buy Vision Championship. Yeah, it's crazy. What do you go 140 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:18.159 to ESPN dot com? Jay read the top story, the top story about 141 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:22.639 the Big Twelve settling the Big Big twelve first to agree to Subtle House versus 142 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.799 n C Double A case. What do you deep down? And it talks 143 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:28.600 about more money coming in from the n C Double A. I have no 144 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:33.200 idea where they're getting this money, because because it doesn't seem like anybody has 145 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.919 any money about the kids that you cheer, the kids that you cheer, 146 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.639 and the kids that you don't cheer. Making five hundred thousand dollars a year, 147 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:50.279 Well, the the sort of the the innocence or of the of the 148 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:56.159 amateur athlete is it's gone. It's overwhet. You know, we talked about 149 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.000 some of you know, what the salary ranges are. We talked about that 150 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:03.080 yesterday. These kids are not making you know, five hundred thousand dollars, 151 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.519 two hundred thousand dollars, six figures, six figures to play you know, 152 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:11.559 college sports, and you go it, you know, as a purist, 153 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.759 right, it's distasteful to me. Do I think they should be getting money 154 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:20.720 and more than they have been getting short, you know, they shouldn't have 155 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.960 to be scrapping to take their girlfriends to a movie. They're bringing in big 156 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:30.360 money for the NCAA and they should have been sharing it a long time ago. 157 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.039 But on the flip side of that again, you know, going back 158 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:37.159 to Okay, if your quarterback is going to be making two million dollars, 159 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:41.000 that's not right for the defensive back who's out there and he's going to make 160 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:46.639 you know, two thousand dollars, five thousand dollars or twelve thousand dollars, 161 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:52.080 And again the imbalance of that again is kind of the thing that bothers me 162 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:58.399 about all of it. I know who it is that down They always calls 163 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.519 me the participation trophy you know, Vic, you know, I'm not a 164 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.799 participation trophy guy. I think, you know, if the quarterback he's got 165 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:07.720 to take all the pressure and stuff like that, he should make more. 166 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:13.399 But when he's making you got college quarterbacks who are making eight million dollars a 167 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:20.679 year and this other guy over here is making might get ten thousand dollars. 168 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.679 I do have a problem with that, And I feel like that belongs in 169 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.639 the NFL, that belongs in the NBA, that belongs in Major League Baseball. 170 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.320 I don't feel like that belongs at the college level. But that's where 171 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:35.600 we are. So once you read that story, maybe talk about it more 172 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.519 tomorrow. But it's a pretty big deal obviously, revenue sharing into the millions 173 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.919 and the back pay back pay and all that, and a lot more money 174 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.080 in the future with the Big Five a Big four. Now it's just kind 175 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:54.159 of crazy, just crazy, you know, the kids making Am I jealous? 176 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.159 Probably not. I was never an athlete to that level, but I'm 177 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.480 thinking, wow, wow. The thing that concerns me the most is how 178 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:07.720 much it's changing college sports. Right, you know a guy like well, 179 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.080 let me tell you, let me tell you. She so Desi Rae, 180 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.720 who just comes in, she's the new ad. She's making one million a 181 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:18.639 year. You have the president of the university making under a hundred million a 182 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.480 year. You have quarterbacks, and you have running backs making half a mill 183 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:26.399 close to that. Yeah, and now they're making just as much as the 184 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:31.679 president's of the ads. Yeah. No, how crazy is that? Or 185 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:35.480 as much as some of the assistant coaches. Some of its right, some 186 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:37.399 of the systems, most of these is I mean assistant coaches get paid, 187 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.120 you know, I mean not outside the coordinators. You can pay a couple 188 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:43.960 of hundred thousand, three hundred thousand dollars. What about now these players are 189 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:48.559 making that the players making more than the people giving them the money. Yeah. 190 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:50.480 And here's the thing about that, Steven in the NFL. Yeah, 191 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.440 some of these players make so much more than the coaches. But there are 192 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.799 professionals they'll understand their lot and I'll understand where they are and it could end 193 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:03.200 right there, you know there Most of them, I would say, not 194 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.960 all, Most of are pretty mature about about what that means and how to 195 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.159 handle that. Now you're talking about eighteen, nineteen twenty year olds with six 196 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:16.960 figure incomes dealing with the coaches. Maybe they're making more money than them. 197 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.679 How does that affect that relationship. Well, let's talk. We'll talk to 198 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.159 Jim about that as well, just the difficulties. And we talked about jokes 199 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:26.120 with him, and he's lucky to be out of the profession, so he's 200 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:30.919 admitted that. 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How 284 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:22.279 the heck you doing, Steve and Jay? I'm living life. I'm loving 285 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.920 it, spending a lot of time with kids, grandkids and my bride and 286 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.000 I'm loving it. So I hope you guys are doing well too. I 287 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.319 know you are. I'm sure you're loving it because you're no longer the ad 288 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:38.119 to and Jay. You guys, and I mean this, You have no 289 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:42.400 idea how happy I am to be doing exactly what I'm doing right now and 290 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:48.359 the upcoming I've spent so much time on the phone the last month on just 291 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.640 these items and knowing that we're right around the corner a couple of days from 292 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.880 a pretty big decision being made. A bunch more so, Hey, it's 293 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:03.400 a great time to be retired, guys, not tired. Oh. We 294 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.079 were just talking like, I would you like to be the a the ad 295 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:12.599 for a program where the quarterback on the football team might be making twice the 296 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:17.880 salary of say, his quarterbacks coach and that kind of stuff. I mean, 297 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.920 that would just scare the crap out of me. I just I can't 298 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:26.480 even fathom that. And I you know, and I know we've talked about 299 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.279 this before, but when you think back so many years ago when this was 300 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:37.720 all about the backs of jerseys and bookstores right right, and not being kids, 301 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.839 not being compensated, which I've been absolutely wish them all the good fortune 302 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.720 for that, But this thing is so far out of control now. Using 303 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:49.039 that oldest analogy in the world, I don't know if the toothpaste ever goes 304 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:52.920 back into tube. No, you're exactly right. I'm curious, Jim, 305 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:56.680 have you I know that Desiree did not follow you at UNLV, correct, 306 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.519 you had someone in between. See, I've known her a long time and 307 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:06.160 actually have known her fairly well, and we stayed in contact and that and 308 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:10.640 so from the un LV days, and actually before that, she worked for 309 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:12.839 a really factor, really good friend of mine who he and his wife are 310 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:17.559 just here two weeks ago for a week with us with Linda and Iron Tucson 311 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:22.160 Dave Hart, who was at that time the AD at Tennessee, and Desrael 312 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.400 worked for him and so and then worked for with Babcock at Technitive so anyway, 313 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.839 yeah, at Virginia Tech. But I've known her a long time both 314 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:36.839 Missouri unlv in here. Have you guys spoken since she's taken the job here, 315 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.240 Yes, I have several times. And you know, she is a 316 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:47.640 really good, talented person who is at the right place at the right time. 317 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:52.640 And I think the Wildcats. I'm not trying to get over positive on 318 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.920 this, but I want to make sure she is exactly what we need right 319 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:02.200 now. And I'd love Dave Ikey to death, but it's it is a 320 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:04.000 different time and there's some decisions that are going to have to be made that 321 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:08.240 she knows this and you guys know this. And in this world of intercles 322 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:14.519 athletics, somebody is going to be upset all the time. And the amount 323 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:18.880 of kind of controversy that can go going forward because we're you know, we're 324 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.319 talking about the twenty first of May. There are so many things are going 325 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.960 to happen in the next month, two months, six months, year and 326 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:33.119 so on that I just don't know. The house case is just one of 327 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.559 many attending kind of things, and guys, I don't know how somebody gets 328 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:40.720 their arms around that. Yeah, it makes it makes my head spen. 329 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.240 Yeah, it makes my head spin to to try and figure out what's going 330 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.160 on. So I'm just kind of letting it happen and reading stuff. Let's 331 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.720 go back, let's go back aways. Because you came into you came into 332 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:55.000 the u of a following a guy who had done an incredible job here to 333 00:23:55.000 --> 00:24:00.559 put you know, Arizona on the map athletically, you know, moving into 334 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.799 having moved into the Pac ten, said Dempsey goes off to be president of 335 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.279 the n C Double A. So there was a I mean, there was 336 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:11.480 a lot in place for you to deal with. But also you're following a 337 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.559 guy who had done an incredible job and was loved here. Was that What 338 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:21.240 were some of the I guess the challenges of that and how did you embrace 339 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:25.200 all of that? Jay, It's a great question, and said and June 340 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:27.519 are still very dear friends, and I know they're going to some health issues 341 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:33.359 right now and I pray for them for that. But I was very fortunate, 342 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:36.119 very lucky to come be Arizona when he did. Remember, I've been 343 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.759 there at Washington State right in the Pac ten for a number of years, 344 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:44.759 so we'd known each other through meetings and certainly coaches, but was said as 345 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:49.079 well, and so the timing of everything, and that was Linda and I 346 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.599 had always talked to you know, at some point in time, you know, 347 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:56.759 the Arizona schools, whether it's Arizona or Arizona State, and I hate 348 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.400 to even say that second school, but I am. Anyway, those are 349 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:04.920 places that we just looked like they were going to be places where lots of 350 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.640 good things could happen. And we were extremely lucky, you know. I 351 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:14.039 was hired in December of ninety three and we went on a sixteen year run 352 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:19.240 with great coaches, great student athletes, great university administration, and so we 353 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.799 were very fortunate. But it was a very different time, Jay, than 354 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.240 it is right now in terms of the decisions that have to be made with 355 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:33.960 regards to whether it's programmatic. Certainly the fiscal part, the financial part unbelievable. 356 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:38.400 And yet during those days I was very fortunate to follow said yet we 357 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:42.599 had to make some tough decisions in those early years here as well with regards 358 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:48.640 to whether it's personnel or finances, and the budget had to be budget balanced. 359 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.000 There was no question about that that was going to be a director from 360 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:57.839 the board and from the president. So we were here at a really good 361 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:03.720 time. And I just I really want everything to be great, not good 362 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.279 for the Wildcats, and just I want people to know that, guys, 363 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.720 they are going to have to be some tough decisions made and there are there 364 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:18.000 are people in place administratively with the university and athletics to make those tough decisions. 365 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.359 Jim, we've talked to you a few times in the past when you've 366 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.559 been on the show about this year here at you of a doing very well 367 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.039 athletically, at least in the programs. We think it's one of the better 368 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.039 times. In fact, we almost give it a eight point five overall, 369 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.480 it's done some well football, basketball, baseball. When you were going back 370 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.440 like in the mid nineties seven, I compare it to back then the glory 371 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:44.400 days of the Arizona programs. When you were in that time. Did you 372 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.920 have time to say these are very good times, because as we look back, 373 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:53.119 those were very good times. Stay again and not trying to relocate you 374 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.440 and Jay, but again, great question. You know, the hard thing 375 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:03.079 about athletics and particularly administration athletics, I don't know that you ever enjoy as 376 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:08.200 much as you should the exact moment you're in, because you're always thinking about 377 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:14.880 what's next, whether it's and those were great times that we were very fortunate 378 00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:18.319 with great coaches to win a lot of of the conference championships and win a 379 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:23.680 lot of national championships. But the nineteen ninety seven at which you've written about 380 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:29.160 a number of times, Steve and done a very good job of that part 381 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:34.599 right there. The focus immediately after the Indianapolis win was that team coming back 382 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:40.039 and all those players coming back and could repeat. So I think, and 383 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:45.359 not a negative, but I think we don't allow ourselves to enjoy the moment 384 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.880 we're in. We're always thinking about what's next, what's the next thing that's 385 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.400 going to happen, And that's the unfortunate thing. And once you do that, 386 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:57.640 it's a little bit too late. It's and I know, StEB, 387 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:03.440 you and I've talked about this for it's about grandkids. We're so lucky to 388 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.480 be able to spend time with our grandkids, much more time when when when 389 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:12.200 I was working as an ad whether it's Washington State or here, and that 390 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:15.839 what we do with our kids, we're able to enjoy it. So that's 391 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:21.079 a great question and I don't know that anybody, I think any ad right 392 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:26.640 now would answer that probably the same way as they wish they could enjoy that 393 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.480 moment of success. And this is I couldn't agree with you more. This 394 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.279 is a fantastic year for the Wildcats, and it's turning in to be a 395 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.240 fantastic spring for the Cats too. Okay, let's go back to another moment 396 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.279 for you. You're the guy, You're the guy that's got to hire a 397 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:48.359 basketball coach to replace a legend. How you know, how were you saying, 398 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:49.960 Luke, please keep coaching so I don't have to do this, or 399 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:53.160 you know how stressful was that for you? And then tell us a little 400 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:59.640 bit about how you wound up with Sean Miller. Jay, Again, I 401 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:03.519 had a little bit of a heads up because you know, during that time 402 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:08.559 period and certainly Luton and Bobby first used to sit with us in our box 403 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.720 for the back for football games, and so there was another relationship besides just 404 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:17.920 athletics. So in the last two or three years, you know, I 405 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.440 knew that things just weren't as good as they could be in terms of health 406 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.000 wise, that part of it. So there was no search committee involved. 407 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.960 In fact, the person that I leaned on as much as anybody was Sam 408 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:36.480 Newton, who had just finished as the Kentucky A d uh that, and 409 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:41.440 so Sam was a great resource in terms around it. The hardest thing about 410 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.440 that whole thing there is is talking with a great number of people across the 411 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:52.160 country about who would be a fit, because we're talking about not just one 412 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:55.720 of the greatest coaches of all time, but we're talking about an absolute as 413 00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.599 they should be, a legend in Tucson and a legend in Arizona. That 414 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.400 part of it, the lucky part of it for me, guys and Jay 415 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.960 in this context is I had been on the basketball committee, was going on 416 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.640 the basketball committee, or was on the basketball and so I had a chance 417 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.599 to visit with a lot of coaches around the country, watch practices, watch 418 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.720 what they're doing, and Sean just seemed like an absolute natural fit, not 419 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:25.680 just because of what he'd done Exavier, but because of his playing career at 420 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:30.079 Pitt and the people that he was in contact with. So no coaching hire 421 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:36.599 is ever perfect. Sometimes it can be a great fit one place and a 422 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:41.160 horrible fit in another. We all know that. But that's where when you 423 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.519 go from that time to present day. That's where I'd give Dave Kiki a 424 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:51.200 tremendous amount of credit with the coaches that he currently hired there on staff right 425 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:56.079 now. How long coach? You know, coaching, everybody has an idea 426 00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.200 who would be the perfect coaching higher until it does and work out until you 427 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.640 lose. That's like a Mike Tyson. Then you can't find anybody who's going 428 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:07.559 to let them say, you know, I thought that'd be a good hire. 429 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:12.119 You can find all kinds of people when that when that coaching hire works 430 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.880 out. And again I've been involved in a number of them. I had 431 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:22.160 a great coach at Washington State in Kelvin who's still doing a great job at 432 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.839 Houston. So it's a it's an inexact sid it's best and the I just 433 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.960 think it's it's a blessing right now that Arizona has the coaching staff in all 434 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.400 sports that they have and the job they're doing. Yeah, no question. 435 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.759 We were talking about the mid nineties where you know, Director's Cups and all 436 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:44.640 that, your standouts and all that top fifteen, top ten throughout the years. 437 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.880 Any favorite moment in those times that you probably have a ton of them, 438 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.799 Steve There are all kinds of and I hate to pick out favorite because 439 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.839 that part of you you always tend to leave something out. I think the 440 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:02.759 biggest part of those my sixteen years here was absolutely the relationship with staff and 441 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.920 the relationship with student athletes and the kinds of things and enjoy. I mean, 442 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.960 we were blessed across the board to be having a lot of great teams, 443 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.759 but we also had a lot of great coaches and we had a lot 444 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.160 of things going on. One of the advantages I think we had at that 445 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:23.519 time, and again today's world is different than that world in that we had 446 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:30.039 McHale. We had everybody house in McHale, So I had a regular schedule 447 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:36.279 thing that was called a walking around period of just walking around McHale, visiting 448 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:40.079 with our coaches, visiting with staff, visiting with our custodians, just visiting 449 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:45.880 with people. So those are my favorite moments. That there's championships and all 450 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.000 those things, and those are great, but the favorite moments I used to 451 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.920 love the kickoff at the start of the year, the all student athlete meeting 452 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.720 with all of our student athletes, and you know, we did so many 453 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.720 different kinds of things during the course of the year, we had a malfunction 454 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:05.680 day where we had games with the whole staff, took part in the we 455 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:07.920 had a barbecue, and you know, in this day and age, there'd 456 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:13.359 be all kinds of criticism for getting out of the apartment and doing something that 457 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.920 wasn't absolutely connected with, you know, allowing sports to get better or allowing 458 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:22.680 teams to win. But those those days were that was important. Staff relationship 459 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.400 was really important. But do you have like a best day that sticks out 460 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.000 to you in your time? You know, I mean, just one best 461 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:35.039 day? Come on, you got to have one, you know what, 462 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.039 Jay, It's such a great question, and I won't do it the honor 463 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:44.400 of answering there. There are so many. I mean, when you're when 464 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.519 you're blessed to be the athletic director at University of Arizona and Tucson Arizona, 465 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:52.000 there are many days, many many more good days than are bad, but 466 00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:57.400 many days that stick out as favorites because that's it. I mean, you 467 00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.880 live in a great place, You're at a great school, You're in a 468 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.359 community that cares about the wildcats. So all of those and I'm sorry I 469 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:08.840 can't pick out something. I just I've always I've been asked that question so 470 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.840 many times, and quite honestly, and you guys, probably both Steve, 471 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.079 you and Jay both know this. I've been asked by a number of people 472 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.960 to do kind of a couple of inside stories, if you will, of 473 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.039 what really went on during those sixteen years, because nothing is ever the same 474 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.280 as it is perceived by the outside world. That's just the way it is. 475 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:36.159 There are so many things that people would be shocked at, both good 476 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.800 and bad, of how decisions were made, why decisions were made, and 477 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:45.320 what they were made on based on what perception and what rumors are. And 478 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.920 that was a different world. But Lynda and I and our whole family, 479 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.880 we are blessed to have been here at the u of A for those years 480 00:34:55.000 --> 00:35:00.119 and have a bunch of friendships are still there as we do it all three 481 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.920 we still have the same relationships in the in Las Vegas. And then Pulman 482 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.800 and Washington. Well, you bring up a point I was going to get 483 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.280 back to you on all those memories. Yeah, yeah, come on, 484 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.920 Jim, that's for another day. Just give us give us the inside of 485 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.920 one coaching higher that's all we want, just one coaching. Don't do it, 486 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.159 don't do it. You know what, You're going to laugh when I 487 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:30.559 say this, But I had a chance to hire Mike Price here and was 488 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:35.400 told that that would not be good because of what had gone on previously the 489 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.920 year before at Alabama and so on. I still think maybe one of the 490 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:45.840 best hires ever uh is Mike at Washington State when I hired him from Weaver 491 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:50.440 State. I mean, think about this, guys, this The Cougars from 492 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.760 Pulman Washington have been to two pro two ghost Bulls under Mike Price. That 493 00:35:55.480 --> 00:36:00.360 just just the complexity of that. And he would have been a great, 494 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.840 great fit here. He's just he's a great coach, but he's been a 495 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.880 great person. And so I I just I don't know that I have any 496 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:14.719 there's no sexy stories of of this thing or that thing. My memories are 497 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:20.519 just so great in terms of this wonderful school and this wonderful these wonderful programs 498 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.400 and and you guys. And I'm not again blowing smoke. I don't need 499 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.559 to, because I don't need anything from either one of you, but Steve, 500 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:29.880 you and Jay have been part of those memories. YEA, well, 501 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:34.559 thank you so many different ways, and the appreciation of what you've done for 502 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.440 this community and and quite candidly what you've done for me. So that's a 503 00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.920 memory right there. Well, thank you, thank you so much for that, 504 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.559 Jem. In fact, our previous guests, mister Pete Williams said, 505 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.159 make sure to say hello to Jim. You helped him with his daughter in 506 00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.280 Vegas. He really remembers it and appreciate, appreciated all you did for him. 507 00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:59.239 He is awesome, just an incredible not just a great player, but 508 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:04.039 a great human being his daughter. But again, guys, those are memories 509 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:09.119 because now we're getting into at this stage in life where uh daughters and sons 510 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:15.400 and and candidly in some cases I hate to even say this because it does 511 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:21.880 date me quite a bit, but granddaughters and grandsons. So it's it's been 512 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.159 a blessing and UH and I hope we get a chance to talk many more 513 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:29.760 times about the Cats and the great championships that are that are going to be 514 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.960 one going forward. We will, we will, especially in the Big twelve 515 00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.719 coming. So Big twelve, you guys, I know you're excited to go 516 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:44.239 to UH to West Virginia, ips of Manhattan. You're about all those places, 517 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:45.719 you know, you guys, are you do have a sense of humor. 518 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:51.559 You've got to have that. I mean, hey, if you ever 519 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.280 been to down and you will been to downtown Cincinnati, you need to be 520 00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:59.159 there. We will be there. Jim, I've been to love It. 521 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.440 Okay, look I have been to love too. And I'll tell you what 522 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.519 not a lot of people can say that, Ja. Those are memories that 523 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.920 you will put on that shelf and you'll say, you know what, I've 524 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:15.840 been there exactly exactly. Thank you, Jim, Thanks you well any time, 525 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.239 guys for what you do. Yeah, thank you, Jim. Jim 526 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.920 loving good. Trying to put a little dig into us. Yeah, exactly. 527 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.920 The by Jackets. If we're going to West Virginia, I'm not going 528 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:29.559 to West Virginia. I can tell I ain't tie right now. I'm not 529 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.199 going to West Virginia. My son played soccer there. It was cold. 530 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:35.400 It was cold. I hope it's a different world, he said, yeah, 531 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.199 totally differently. Okay, we got to go. All right, let's 532 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.880 hit the road for a little break. We'll be back and we'll wrap this 533 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.119 up five two zero four one six seventy four forty If you want to give 534 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.079 us a call, So We're right back. If you're an Arizona Man's basketball 535 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.480 fan, you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now take a 536 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.639 look back at the Ludelsen era in my new book, Lessons from Loot. 537 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.400 It was a labor of love through the eyes of twenty five former players, 538 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:00.320 coaches and friends to give insight to the coach and the man who led them, 539 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:02.840 competed against them, and inspired them. Twenty five chapters for his twenty 540 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.159 five years as Arizona's beloved coach. 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Come be a part of a winning team the A Team Apply online 574 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:52.440 today at a teamsecurity dot net. Streaming live on the iHeartRadio WOP. This 575 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:59.639 is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jacinzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. 576 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.000 Hey, welcome back to wying the ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. 577 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.840 I'm Steve, He's Jay got our guy Ryan in with us for the 578 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.159 next eleven minutes as we close out today's show. Fun show Today, Good 579 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:12.480 show Today. That's been fun. You know, Jim had has always you 580 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:17.840 know, very uh diplomatic, diplomatic stuff that you know, kind of grabs 581 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:23.159 your emotions a little bit, you know, because he's he's so h appreciative 582 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:27.719 of the time that he's had, with the jobs that he's had, and 583 00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.239 uh and and really you know a lot of people, you know, he 584 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.079 would come around and you know, have a great wildcat day and those kinds 585 00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:35.679 of things, and there were probably some people thought, come on, how 586 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.000 real is he? That was him? Well, let's also say we got 587 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.480 a call. I'll bring conduct to this. Okay, let's take this call. 588 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.199 Hi, you're on the air and I on the ball. Hi, 589 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.719 it's Lynn, sweet daughter. Yeah, we mentioned you earlier. That's why 590 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.920 she's calling that you mentioned me. I said to Jim, Oh, I'm 591 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.679 gonna calm, Oh you're famous. Now what do you have for us? 592 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:02.960 How? Thanks for colling, Thank you both for making me famous in my 593 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.039 house only sure, that's fine. We're not even famous and our I was 594 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.920 going to say, yeah, yeah, we're not, so you know, 595 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:19.599 it's just such wonderful memories and it's it's devastating to think it's really over. 596 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.239 Yeah, what are some of your friends? I was gonna say, going 597 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.480 back to you know all this time, you know, since nineteen seventy eight, 598 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:28.719 when Arizona got into the pack, what were some of your favorite times 599 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.840 that you can think of? Moments, games, events, whatever. Oh 600 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.880 I can, I can tell you right off the bat. I mean, 601 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:45.039 we all went to the Final four in Kansas City and I will never ever 602 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.880 forget that. I mean, it was unreal and I am to this day 603 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.800 still as Sean Elliott groupie. And you know, in those days where you 604 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:58.599 all talk about you get to know the players, they were out at everything. 605 00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.599 Yeah, you got your picture taken, you went and talked to him, 606 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:07.119 and it was just very amazing. And my dad by then was working 607 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:13.880 for course and they gave Steve, Steve Kerr the award, the Inspirational Award, 608 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:17.400 and we were in the room and it was so emotional because you know, 609 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:27.400 we'd lost and he was very emotional. I'll never forget that. I'll 610 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:31.119 never forget we I had moved to the Bay Area by then and went down 611 00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:37.159 in nineteen ninety in the Rose Bowl and we played UCLA and d Lou intercepted 612 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:45.519 that and ran it in the end zone and we beat Ucla in the Rose 613 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:52.480 Bowl game, went nuts and then the Washington game. How can you not 614 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:58.039 forget that, you know in ninety two when they came in here and we 615 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:04.639 did it? Sure, yes, those weren't care time football, baseball you 616 00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:09.039 named swimming, I mean golf. You look at Haley in twenty eighteen. 617 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:14.519 I can remember I'd never watched Arizon a woman's golf like that. You know, 618 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.000 no, right, yeah, right, no, great memories. Well, 619 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.000 how do you mind asking? How how old were you when they moved 620 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:25.039 into the Pac ten? I had. I graduated in nineteen seventy six, 621 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:34.079 so I've been out of college two years, okay twenty three And when we 622 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.280 went into the pack. What were you thinking at that time that, oh 623 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:38.679 my god, what are we up? Are we nuts? Or what? 624 00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:45.320 I Actually, this is bizarre to say. I've always I worked for a 625 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:51.239 law firm there, and a lot of them were Stanford and Cal and they 626 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:57.639 were big football guys and well later on, but not right, and they 627 00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:00.800 I thought I always loved the challenge. I thought it was going to be 628 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:06.719 incredibly exciting. And I thought people would be shocked by what Arizona could do, 629 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.320 and I think they still are. Yeah. No, I think that's 630 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:13.239 a perfect example because they did. They did at times, many times you 631 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:19.840 think there's no way possible, and here they were like lookaball god, yeah 632 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.840 no, you're right, you're right. Well, thanks for calling, thanks 633 00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:25.360 for still listening. Well, thank you. Beare down and I guess I'll 634 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:29.599 have to get used to the big twelve. It's going to be fun. 635 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.719 It's still be fun. It's gonna be a lot of fun new T shirts. 636 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.599 All right, thank you so much, thank you, thank you. 637 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.760 We'll remember that name. Lynda, who saw we met her just a few 638 00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.840 couple of years ago, came to our tail game and yeah, yeah, 639 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.159 no. I think she's consistent with everybody else thinking, well, you know, 640 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.320 what are we getting into? But not really, We're gonna be okay, 641 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.960 yeah, you know. And I regardless of whether I thought Arizona could 642 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.880 compete, I thought I thought it was gonna be fun because all of a 643 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:02.920 sudden, instead of playing Colorado State eight in Wyoming and utap and at that 644 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:07.320 time in Utah and New Mexico, it's like we're playing Ucla, We're playing 645 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:13.719 usc playing Washington, we're playing Stanford. Remember John Alway was a quarterback in 646 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.960 the mid eighties there, and you know John always coming to town. Uh, 647 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:21.960 you know those kinds of things. You know, Arizona had in after 648 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.400 the seventy nine season they played in the Festival and Dan Marino with the quarterback. 649 00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:29.360 You thought, Arizona, we're kind of in a big time thing now, 650 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.400 regardless of whether we can compete. You feel like you're sort of on 651 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:37.440 the radar now you're on TV. You know, you know again, you 652 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.400 know they all of a sudden you get a game with Notre Dame. You 653 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:44.400 know, all that kind of stuff is kind of like, I don't care 654 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.280 how good or bad we're gonna be. We're gonna have fun doing it whatever 655 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.559 it is. If you could let me go back to the gym, loving 656 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.280 good thing what you're talking about, have a great wildcat day and all that, 657 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:59.000 the cozier year warming, plenty of time and people work maybe sometimes you 658 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.679 know, Okay, you know, but let me tell you something. I 659 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:05.840 miss those days because we don't see those days anymore gone. And then in 660 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.760 fact brought up a point where we were closer to the players. Maybe not 661 00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:15.360 too close, but we told our stories and we won't see that again unless 662 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.559 somebody opens the door and says, okay, guys, here it is. 663 00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.320 Well, well here's the deal. And this is sort of them. We 664 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.800 can't go walk around mchall and just pop into offices anymore. You know, 665 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:25.960 they don't even know who the hell is used to be able to do that. 666 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.000 I mean, you know, I mean, just walk into Kevin O'Neil's 667 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.039 office when he was an assistant coach, just walked over to the basketball office, 668 00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:36.840 went in and you know, sat down with Kevin O'Neil and Ricky Burt's 669 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:37.760 like, hey, what are you guys up to? Yeah, you know, 670 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:43.800 you can't. You got to go through channels to have access to not 671 00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:49.559 just players but coaches and administrators and sure, and so we don't know the 672 00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.719 athletic department like we used to know it, right, Like there's a name 673 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:54.800 that everybody mentioned from back in the day, John Parrot, Right, he 674 00:48:54.880 --> 00:49:00.599 was basically the CFO. He was the chief finance guy. He was in 675 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.880 charge, he was the bookkeeper basically for the you know, and you could 676 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:09.239 walk into McHale and go to his office and start asking for stuff, you 677 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.960 know, and he'd give you stuff, he'd help you out, and you 678 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.360 know, he wanted to help you out with stuff. And you don't have 679 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.599 that connection anymore. And I think in a lot of ways, I thing 680 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:24.039 it's worked against you know, because now things like this happened, Like when 681 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:30.639 things like this financial situation happened, nobody knows why it happened, and nobody 682 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.639 explaining why it happened. It's all you know, you know, kind of 683 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.280 you know, kept under wraps, and you don't look if you came out 684 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.800 and told us, this is why it happened because we spent too much money 685 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:43.400 on this, this, this, this, and this, But we think 686 00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.360 spending that money was good for because we don't get that. It's just like 687 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:52.320 you've got this financial situation. Nobody understands how it could happen. I don't 688 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.199 know if you remember reading my Goodbye Calumn to Sean Miller and all the things 689 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:59.400 I wrote. But one of the things is one of his issues was he 690 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.480 didn't get close to anybody here in the media, to just who he wanted 691 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.079 to. He wasn't a close guy. He got He's friendly with a lot 692 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:08.760 of the national guys. At the end of the day the national guys who 693 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:13.119 the guys screwed him, right, and he had no one here to kind 694 00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:19.000 of buffer or anything or make it sound less crazy for him. And that's 695 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.119 neither here nor there. But what didn't help him. It didn't help him 696 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.679 because he didn't allow anybody to get close. Well, I've said and I 697 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:34.440 believe that, I you know, I believe that if you're a coach or 698 00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.760 any if you're a job anywhere really and people don't know you and don't know 699 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:44.159 whether to like you or not like you or whatever, or maybe they don't 700 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.280 like you because they don't know you, and if you start having some trouble, 701 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.719 you don't have the support you know, to keep your job. And 702 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:53.639 that's exactly what I was talking, right, you know. Look, it 703 00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:57.920 was easy to fire John mcavic because everybody hated the guy. You know after 704 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.320 after a couple of years he was a warm and fuzzy guys. He made 705 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.239 no friends. He made no friends from the day he got here. Kevin 706 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.880 someone was the same way. Even Mike Stoops never got to know the community, 707 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:13.119 right, So had a couple of tough seasons gone right, you know, 708 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.639 And and again Sean Miller might have weathered the storm if he had more 709 00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:21.960 community supporting, more people who were behind him. He did have the big 710 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.559 booster money behind him to keep him, keep him until that it was it 711 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:29.760 was pretty much over. Uh No, But people don't know you and don't 712 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:36.079 like you, right, the voices get louder and louder and louder, and 713 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.880 and you know, it's it feels just like, you know, an example 714 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.320 all uses the coach of Ben, the coach from u C l A. 715 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:49.719 Ben Holland right, nobody could stand the guy he went. He went to 716 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.400 three straight final fours and ye had a few years later he was fired because 717 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:57.800 people didn't like him. He was gruffy, was was gruff and and all 718 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.440 that. And it's like, you know, it's just like you gotta build 719 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.960 up, you know, alliances, I guess, I know if that's the 720 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.280 right word. Well, you gotta have people behind you who are willing to 721 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:12.039 fight for you, and you have to have it's such a long time ago 722 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.400 now because it's not the same. It hasn't been the same since Greg Burn 723 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.480 showed up, you know, uh, and it kind of changed into a 724 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.679 corporate world in that office. I rarely go down there, and I really 725 00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:24.679 know anybody anymore. And I was there every day, every day. Uh 726 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:30.159 you know who they are. Who's the finance person today? Don't know, 727 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.519 don't know, But everybody knew John parent. In fact, a d's come, 728 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:37.000 have come and gone since the last time, I mean ads under under 729 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.599 the eighties. I didn't know my name, didn't care to know my name, 730 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:44.360 which is fine. It is what it is. We gotta go, 731 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:45.920 all right, gotta hit the road. We're gonna come. We'll be back 732 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.719 tomorrow, hopefully I have some more great guests lined up for you. Keep 733 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:51.800 going down memory lane like we have been. This has been a lot of 734 00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:52.440 fun, so you sure have been here tomorrow