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Life isn't fair, justice is blind
and dysfunctional, and some cops aren't smart

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and dedicated. Like on television this
is Who Killed Teresa. We've written a

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big lumpus story in music, and
we'd like to play the whole thing for

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you tonight. I have some follow
up thoughts on the nineteen eighty five murder

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of Francine da Silva, but in
order to get there, I need to

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revisit two other unsolved murders we've covered, the nineteen seventy nine death of Nicole

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Gudreaux and the seventy five strangulation and
incineration of zim Tibo. Solving for acts

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involves bringing an unknown variable to one
side, then seeing how other elements line

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up with that variable, and that's
kind of what we're going to do here

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and reconsider some variables. Shine,
a refresher Tibau, was found in a

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vacant lot at the corner of Saint
Dominique Street and Dorchester Boulevard today known as

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Rene Leveck Boulevard in downtown Montreal.
If the area that we're talking about,

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if you know, Montreal is kind
of on the border of Chinatown, nestled

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between the complex Desjarde and Old Montreal. So that's that's where we're going right

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now. So this kid riding past
on his bike at four thirty in the

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morning, and he tells the story
about why he was riding at four in

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the morning. His parents, I
think were recently separated and he was kind

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of left to his own devices.
So sixteen year old, he's a six

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year old kid named Jean Bressant,
and he noticed a fire in the vacant

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lot on Saturday morning, August second, August second, nineteen seventy five.

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And when he approached the fire,
which was in danger of igniting a nearby

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abandoned house, he saw legs,
person's legs a body and him imediately notified

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the police. When Montreal police detectives
wa and Lemieux arrived, they found the

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still smoldering body of twenty five year
old Dan Tebow dyed jet black hair,

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pale skin, naked from the waist
down, wearing a partially burned blue sweater

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with yellow stripes, and a piece
of burning wood embedded in her vagina.

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Dan Tibo had been beaten to death, strangled, then set on fire,

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and his police report agent Vera noted
the victim was sexually assaulted. Deanzibo was

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a denizen of the main Lower Depths
enclave in downtown Montreal, known for drugs

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and prostitution. Near the body,
police floppy hat, two scattered shoes,

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a comb, and a purse containing
twenty six dollars and forty cents in cash,

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the equivalent of more than one hundred
and twenty five dollars in today's today's

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money, so clearly this was the
robbery was not the objective of this overkill.

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Tibaut was petite four foot nine inches, weighing approximately eighty two pounds.

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Her assailant could have manhandled her like
a rag doll. According to the newspaper

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Alo Police, Tibaut frequented local flophouses
their word, and was known to hang

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out at the bars along a Saint
Laura Shafrefa Capital Brasserie Alouette, and the

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Rialto. She also had lots of
quote friends along the main. Given her

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lifestyle, police were none too aggressive
in solving the murder. It wasn't until

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three years later, in nineteen seventy
eight, that they began to focus on

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a suspect. Roger Moreau met Sibol
at his mother's rooming house. Four weeks

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before her death, his mother introduced
Diane as her tenant. Coincidentally, three

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days later, Moreau was drinking with
his brother in law, Edmund Turcott,

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when Turcott asked him if he knew
Dianne Tibou because he got her pregnant and

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if he ever saw her again,
he was going to give her a beating.

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She'll remember it for the rest of
her life. Shortly before her murder,

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Moreau observed Turcott and Tibout in a
bar near Saint Zotique Street. The

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two were drinking beer and making out, so he presumed the couple had reconciled

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after the murder. When Moreau saw
photos of in Alo police, he immediately

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called the police and said, if
you're looking for Dan, look for Edmund

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Turcott, then hung up. LA
Press reporter Nicola Berube covered this story in

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two eighteen, and if you go
to the website terselor dot com th h

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E R E s A A L
l O r A point com and find

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this story, there's links to Nicola's
story and there's lots of links here,

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so lots of information, lots of
photos with this particular one, So check

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out the website. So Nicola Barube
interviewed former detective Sergeant Jacques Dasheroul, who

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was assigned to the case in nineteen
seventy five. Dashno later became director of

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the Montreal Police, then a member
of Parliament for Saint Jerome, Tibo's hometown

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from two thousand twelve until twenty fourteen. And when he was asked to explain

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by Baruwa why it took police three
years to follow up on the lead provided

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by Moreau the phone call, Deschaneau
explained, we were pretty busy. Edmund

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Turcott was working as a cook at
the New Spireau restaurant on Peel Street when

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police arrested him in November nineteen seventy
eight, and he was taken to the

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stabac's headquarters on Parthenay Street and subjected
to a polygraph test. After a lengthy

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interrogation, Turcott confessed to Dian Tibo's
murder. The confession, lengthy and grizzly

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in detail, is the subject of
a podcast I did in also in twenty

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eighteen, and it was the basis
that story for the Lapress article for today,

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I'd like you to focus dates and
geography of this case. The morning

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of the murder August second, nineteen
seventy five, Turcott and Tebow were drinking

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at Cabaret Rodeo on Saint Laurent Boulevard. The Rodeo, also known as the

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Lodeo, is quite famous. It's
where Quebec playwright Michelle Tremblay set his play

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about Montreal's underbelly, Saint Carmen of
the Main, in nineteen seventy six.

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Saint Carmena the Main is a play
about a woman of this environment who travels

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to Nashville to learn how to yodel
and same country music and returns returns to

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Montreal Shortly thereafter, false falls under
the influence of a ne'er do well character

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named Toothpick. Toothpick, you can
look, you can look, you can

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research to the arts ira on Michelle
Trumpley and Saint Carmen of the Main.

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But but the Rodeo, the Ladeo
is quite quite was quite famous at the

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time. Um So after they're drinking
there, Tibo and Turcott moved to a

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rooming house near Saint Catharine Street,
where Turcott beat, raped and strangled Dan

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Tibo. But he did not leave
her there. He dragged her, half

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dead to the vacant lot on Saint
Dominique in Dorchester where he set her on

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fire and he left her for dead. And there's a map for this.

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There's lots of maps this time around. I got a map coded for each

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of the victims. Tibo is in
blue, Goudreaux is in a red and

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DaSilva finally is in green. And
for Tibou, there like three plot points.

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There's a located to the lodeo of
the where the motel would have been

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approximately on Saint Catherine, and then
finally that dumpsite at Reni Leveck and Saint

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Dominique, which would have been quite
run down in that era in the seventies.

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Today it's all built up, right, it's all. It's all and

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what do you call it? Commercial
and gentrified. As this case moved to

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trial, the police assumed because of
the confession, they had a slam dunk

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win on their hands. The corner
had ruled that quote Diantibo died a violent

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death on August second, nineteen seventy
five, death for which you, Edmund

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Turcott must be held criminally responsible.
That's not the way things turned out.

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Turcott went to trial in late November
nineteen seventy eight Lapress tells us that his

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lawyer was a defense attorney named Rayal
Charbonneau. That's sort of true. More

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on that later. Nicola Berube spoke
to Charbonneau in twenty eighteen for his article

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Incredibly he was still practicing law.
Charboneau remembered the case and the quote incredible

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chance he experienced during the trial.
The judge was Andrea Buron, a good

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judge, but a young judge.
Though he does not directly say it,

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Charbonneau clearly felt Buron could be easily
manipulated. Charboneau was permitted to introduce the

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testimony of a psychiatrist who suggested that
Edmund Turcott was quote slightly deficient mentally.

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In doing so, Biron became convinced
that Turcott's confession could not have been given

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voluntarily and would not admit the confession
as evidence. Charbonneau offered this final cold

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assessment of the case's dismissal. That's
it life, huh. I do not

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think that the police put eight investigators
to find another accused after that he was

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acquitted. He was acquitted. If
it had been another judge who had not

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had that experience, he might have
had a different attitude. On the perception

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of facts. All this is chance
is providence. The Lapress reporter and Nicola

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Barube tried to track down Edmund Turcott, who today would be seventy four years

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of age, by following his police
record. Turcott's then most recent offense was

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from nineteen seven, a charge of
theft in Juliette, for which the decision

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was withdrawn. At the time,
Turcott had been living in nearby Saying Julienne.

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When Burubay visited his former residence,
he found a well kept mobile home

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and children's toys, but no Edmund
Turcott. I think I know why Buruba

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never found Edmund Turcott. To understand
that, you have to know a little

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bit more about Turcott's attorney, Raal
Charbonneau, Edmund Turcott was not slightly deficient.

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He had enough of his mental faculties
to hold down a job as a

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line cook. He could order drinks
at a bar and turn on the charm

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with the ladies. He was not
coerced into a confession, as his lawyer

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rail Charbonneau had suggested to look at
his confession transcript, Turcott was ordered and

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methodical in his thoughts. He asked
for a cup of coffee, So his

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police interrogators ordered coffee, and he
was quite clear in his motive. Dian

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Tebow, according to him, was
a nothing and a cow, and therefore

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presumably deserved to die according to Turcott's
chauvinistic worldview. The one thing police detectives

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didn't do during Turcott's interrogation was allow
him to see his lawyers. More than

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anything, that probably led to his
eventual acquittal. Real Charbonneau's career as a

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Montreal defense attorney was colorful, to
say the least. In nineteen eighty,

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he was charged with contempt of court
for failing to show up in court to

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represent his client, a man accused
of kidnapping and rape of a thirteen year

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old. Charbonneau alleged that the error
was due to a mix up between him

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and his legal associate, Frank Shuffy. Charbonneau and Shuffy often worked on cases

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together in this era, and in
this case, Shuffy decided that Charbonneau would

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represent the case of the pedophile solo. The one problem was Shuffy had failed

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to notify Charbonneau that he had drawn
the shortest straw in this affair. A

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word on Frank Shuffy, who we've
talked about before numerous times. Like one

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of his best friends, Jean Pierre
Roncoorps, we've also talked about, Shuffi

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was known as a mob lawyer.
Roncorps writes a glowing chapter about his legal

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counterpart in his autobiography Le Confracist Less, known for his work as a negotiator

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in the recovery of brother Andre's heart. That's true, and we'll be here

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all day if we have to go
down the rabbit hole of creepy Quebec Catholicism.

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Shufi's more known for representing Montreal gangster
Richard Blass, later gunned down by

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Quebec police for the murder of Italian
mobster Paul Violi. On October fifteenth,

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nineteen eighty five, Shufy himself was
murdered in the hallway outside his fifth floor

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law office at one zero three zero
Charier, across from Park La Fontaine in

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the Plateau. Remember my heating about
dates and places. The other point to

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track here is that Shuffy and Charbonneau
had a long association as legal comrades,

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documented in the public record over a
decade from about nineteen seventy five until Shufi's

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murder in nineteen eighty five. By
nineteen eighty two, Rayl Charbonneau was in

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trouble again when he was banned from
a coroner's inquest by Roche Cherrau, then

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failed to show up for his court
appearance on obstruction of justice charges. What

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exactly Charbonneau did in the coroner's inquest
is unknown, but he was immediately the

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target of an arrest warrant. By
nineteen eighty four, the matter was settled,

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with Charbonneau ordered to contribute five thousand
dollars towards a center for drug addicts.

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Remember when biker's bodies started popping up
in the Saint Lawrence River in nineteen

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eighty five, Charbonneau was in the
middle of that too. Charbonneau represented Laurent

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l'anglais Vieaux and Guy Brutus Jeffriel,
both gunned down in a Hell's Angels clubhouse,

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a purging incident that would become infamously
known as the Lennoxville Massacre. Among

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Charbonneau's transgressions representing the Hells, he
was accused of encouraging a client to sign

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a false affidavid about the bombing of
an apartment building Onto Mason of Boulevard in

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nineteen eighty four that killed four people. In nineteen eighty seven, Charbonneau was

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sentenced to eighteen months in prison in
the case of that apartment bombing. He

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appealed and in nineteen ninety three was
granted a new trial. By nineteen ninety

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seven, Charbonneau was acquitted and never
served a day behind bars. In two

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thousand and three, Rail Charbonneau was
in the news again, tossed from a

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Hell's Angels mega trial for repeatedly arguing
with the judge. When he was called

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to trial for the contempt case,
Charbonneau was again a no show. The

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matter was finally sorted out in two
thousand and six. By this time Alison

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Haynes doing the reporting for the Gazette. So we've passed decades and Charbonneau was

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slapped with rebuke by the Quebec Bar
Association and nineteen eighty six Gazette reporter William

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Marsden interviewed another noted criminal lawyer,
quite a famous one, named Sidney Leithman,

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who at that time was becoming the
air apparent to the then recently gunned

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down Frank Shufi. Among Leithman's clients
were Italian mob kingpin Frank Catroni, the

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East End gangs Claude Dubois and West
End gang leader Billy McAllister. Leathman told

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Marsden how he started building his business
representing clients in quote whorehouses and gambling establishments,

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and Leathman's words, quote the small
little client today can provide you with

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the big case tomorrow. This begs
the question that Leathman sort of answers,

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why do guys like Charbonneau represent apparent
lowlifes like Edmund Turcott, or for that

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matter, why would a Jean Pierre
Roncorps represent a Ferdinand Laplant in the case

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we've covered before, And I would
say because they know they are in some

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fashion connected to money. Leathman was
once asked to take on a client who

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did not appear well healed, so
he inquired with a police source, do

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you think this guy has any money? The police officer replied, well,

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Sydney, the charge is drug dealing. Charbonneau and Leathman were cut from the

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same cloth. In fact, in
the matter of the phony Affidavid Charbonneau claimed

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it was Leathman who d through up
that document. Charbonneau would not have taken

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on a client like Edmund Turcott.
If you were just some low life,

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petty criminal who murdered a whorehouse prostitute. Charbonneau represented Turcott because he was connected

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to money and was more than likely
an earner for some Montreal mob outfit.

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This is who killed Teresa. So
that's part one of a we'll do.

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We'll do a two parter and called
this Solving for X. And when we

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come back next time, which will
be shortly, I won't make you wait

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two weeks or anything like that.
We'll continue with this and go on to

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the cases of Nicole Gudreau from seven
nine and then ultimately Francine da Silva in

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a great, great day. I've
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never alone. Every night I get
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