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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast,

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coming to you from the heart of
Pendle, Witch Country in the northwest of

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England. My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.

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Join me as we take a journey
into the paranormal, UFO sightings,

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cryptozoology and big casts. This is
the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. Welcome to episode

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forty four of Paranormal Pendle, broadcasting
to the Paranormal UK Network at PAUK radio

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dot com. So this is the
first episode of twenty twenty four, so

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very big, happy new you to
all all my listeners. Thanks very much

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for sticking with me over the last
couple of years, and let's hope we

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have some really interesting guests coming up
in twenty twenty four. I've got a

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fantastic guest for this episode, a
gentleman by the name of Michael Cameron.

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Michael is an author who's written a
book called High Strangeness, A Lifetime of

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Alien and Paranormal Encounters. So I'm
really looking forward to chatting. Welcome Michael,

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thanks for coming along. Oh there, yeah, thanks for inviting me

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on, no problem, No,
you're very welcome. So yeah, so

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we'll talk about you shortly, but
if you could just let's just start off

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by just telling us a little bit
of about yourself. Well, I grew

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up in there. I grew up
in the East End of London during the

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nineteen seventies. I grew up in
a strict Roman Catholic family, Irish family,

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and I actually grew up in a
schoolhouse. My dad had been a

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caretaker there and me and my in
the being a schoolkeeper at the school.

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In the house I grew up in. Yeah, and this is where basically

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a lot of the activity took place
during my childhood and early teenage years.

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Okay, so what sort of activity
were you we subjected to them? Well,

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when I was a baby, my
parents, you know, my parents

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did tell me a few things.
But when I was a baby, literally

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I was an unexpected child. And
when I returned from I'd been in hospital

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along time. I've been born premature. But when I returned to what would

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be my you know, my home, and there was a there was a

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lot of activity that took place after
I returned to the house. It was

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so like poltergeist type activity. My
you know, there were being cold spots,

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the usual stuff cold spots in the
house. There would be objects moving

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and vanishing and reappearing in different places
to the house. My brothers, I

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got three brothers. Two of them
are a lot older than me, and

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Sean, who's mentioned in the book
is two years older than me. But

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with my other two brothers, you
know, they experienced different types of things.

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Like one of them had what would
being an oak wardrobe in the room

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pushed on top of him whilst he
was in bed. Wow, okay,

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but he wasn't injured. He was
just shot. My other brother, Kevin,

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had been, as an example,
been coming up the stairs one day

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something pushed past him he couldn't see, knocking down the stairs. And my

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mum used to when she used to
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she used to be saying upstairs,
sometimes clinging, and she would feel some

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presence behind her, and you know, like when your airs in the back

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of your head. Her neck and
something used to be calling the name all

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the time, and when she turned
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This used to go on quite a
while with her when she was alone,

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and there was this as well when
my when my dad used to go

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up to bed, you know,
the last one up in bed and getting

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into bed, there used to be
this unusual like echo like banging sound which

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was coming from downstairs where the stairs
on the staircase and in the house where

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I grew up, the walls there, you know, there were solid so

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when someone when there was banging was
having me, it was echoing, you

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know, and it was sort of
like a you know, the stereo sound

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effect. And whenever, whenever he
went down he went to investigate, there

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was nothing there, you know.
And it was only much later on that

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they you know, he after much
activity and the activity started to get more

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menacing that he you know, he
then spoke to the church and they had

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priests come in and blessed their house. But one of the things is that

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what he told me is is that
that my mum and dad they used to

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see balls of light, you know, I guess what would be orbs now

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flying around where my cot was.
And also that they saw also what would

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be, you know, some type
of being standing over my cot looking down

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at me. And when they when
it actually seeing them and you know,

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it vanished. So what what did
your parents? What what did your parents

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think about this then? Because obviously
I mean you said that you grew up

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in a very religious house. Uh
so how did this affect your parents and

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how did it affect their faith?
Well, the thing is they were strict

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to Roman Catholics. My dad was
a Grand Nights templar as well. Okay,

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so you know, and there was
a lot he was associated with a

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lot of high level freemasons in the
police and the military as well. So

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you know, in the house when
I was growing up, a lot of

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the people that would visit in my
house at the time, they were iranked

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police officers with the Metropolitan Police in
London, and also specific military people and

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also levels of the church, you
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So he was quite friendly with these
type of people. But the but when

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I was then researching, you know, the area of where, you know,

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I find some interest in stuff like
underneath the grounds the blueprints of what

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would be you know, the school
itself, there was actually in the you

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know, it is actually on the
site of an ancient a Roman burial site

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for leopards. So they so they
actually they took them out of where what

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would been the Roman buildings or the
walls, and they chucked them out and

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put them in this location and buried
them there, which which actually was the

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location of where my house was built. But also in this area of London,

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it was actually where the Blitz,
A lot of the Blitz took place,

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so the Germans the Blue literally the
whole lot of this area up.

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So there was a lot of I
guess a lot of you know, a

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lot of destruction happened in this area
as well. Yeah, you know,

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which you often find with these type
of locations. Yeah, yeah, I

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mean it's interesting, isn't it that. I mean they used to they used

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to have huge pits, didn't they
wear the use something. It was the

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same with the plague. They just
used to bury them outside of the city

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walls, didn't they in huge communal
graves. So you found out literally that

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the school would where you grew up, or a schoolhouse where you grew up

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was actually built on one of these
one of these old Leper burial grounds.

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Yeah, it was, I mean, the old the area itself you know

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had I mean where I grew up. It was in between literally the Tower

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of London and the City of London. So in the Tower of London.

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You know, there's a lot of
Roman sites, so that, you know,

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when I was growing up as a
child as well, I remember that,

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you know, we had the you
know, the the archaeologists they're digging

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up areas on the ground and you
could they were finding Roman coins and you

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know, pottery. So so there's
a lot of history in this particular area

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of London. And did you as
you got older then, I mean,

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how how old were you when you
sort of stopped living there? Did you

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did you see anything yourself as you
grew up or experienced everything anything yourself?

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Yeah, Well, I'm you know, I'm an alien abductee. My abduction

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started when I was a baby.
Literally, these particular beings what we now

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know is a great from as Grace. They were actually taking me when I

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was a baby. I mean,
I discover I've discovered much more information about

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my childhood now. And I was
taken quite a lot as a child and

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as a teenager. I had,
you know, when I was four years

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old, I had encounters with the
men in black after aciting. I mean

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I had when I was a child, I had, you know, what

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would be I thought at the time
was invisible friends or my parents were invisible

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friends that used to come h to
see me. You know, there was

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a lot of times when I would
see these particular beings that these beings I

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now know to be like Nordic types, you know, the typical blonde,

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their athletic type builds, blue eyed, side cheek bones. So I used

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to have a lot of sightings of
these particular beings. I remember they used

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to come to me, and a
lot of the time they used to be

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talking talking to me, but I
wasn't talking with their mouse. I didn't

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know at the time what they were, you know, who they were,

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and I used to I remember I
used to be going to my parents a

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lot and telling them, you know, that something had happened to me.

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I remember once being what would be
downstairs in the living room. My mum

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was in the kitchen preparing lunch,
and I remember having this overwhelming feeling,

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you know, in my head.
When I was I remember playing with the

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match box toys, you know,
on the carpet, and I heard this

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feeling that I must, I must
go upstairs, you know, I must

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go upstairs to my parents room.
And then, you know, at first

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I didn't take no notice of it. But then it was got stronger feeling,

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and I put my toys down and
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parents room. When I got there, there was nobody there, by this

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feeling that I, you know,
I must stay there, I shouldn't leave

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because someone would come. And it
was only a few, I guess,

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a few moments that one of these
particular beings that I see all the time,

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which he was normally accompanied by a
female who looked similar but obviously male

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and female, and he came to
me, and I remember him, you

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know. He was a lot taller
as well than the adults around me,

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and he was dressed normally in what
he would normally bear, which was this

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type of blue uniform which was almost
fitted to his body. And he he

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leaned down into me, staring into
my eyes, and I remember him speaking

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to me, as I mentioned in
my book. I don't remember what he

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said, but it felt like to
some degree, he was talking to another

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part of me that understood this information
but not this but not me, yeah,

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you know, And I remember just
looking at him, but I remember

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also experiencing something, you know,
like Jenny Randall's describes as the os factor.

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So the environment around me it began
to vanish, and it seemed like

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we were just in a bubble,
me and him, you know, like

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a vacuum, and it was just
a space between me and him and whatever

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communication was taking place, because the
rest of the room seemed to move away

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from us. But I remember it's
almost like being in a trance like state,

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or an ordered state of consciousness entering
into But I remember that when they

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come out of this state, he
wasn't there. I remember being extremely afraid

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and I felt, you know,
something had happened. I didn't remember what

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it was at the time, and
I remember running away from the room in

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terror, and I remember running downstairs, almost falling over myself, and I

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remember running to the kitchen and telling
my mum that something had happened. But

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my parents were used to, you
know, they were used to me going

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to them telling them things like this. So did they just think that you

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had a very sort of active imagination
then, or or do you think that

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they thought that there was obviously some
elements of truth in what you were saying,

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because obviously they'll have been living with
with the paranoimal stuff that have been

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going on. So do you think
they were all so orten to what you

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were telling them about about the aliens
that you were encountering. Well, you

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know, in the earlier in the
earlier years, it was me and Seawan.

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Now me and Sean had a few
of these experiences together, you know,

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with what would be the Grays and
you know, the sighting of a

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UFO in London. But my mom
and dad did experience stuff themselves, you

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know before you know, when they
you know, my mom told me a

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little later of something that happened to
her during war during World War two,

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and you know, this would what
would be described as an encounter with one

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of the Grays. So I think
she was an abductee, which she didn't

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understand it or didn't realize that she
was. And my dad had My dad

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was in the Royal Air Force,
you know, he was a flight engineer

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during World War two and he he
had the experiences as himself which would border

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along the paranormal. So so you
know, there were activities that they had.

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I mean, they didn't speak about
everything every now and again, you

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know, they would bring up stuff
and just to addit, you know,

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throw it in somewhere and and tell
me certain things that had happened to them.

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But I think you know, at
the time, you know, people

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would often ask me, you know
that, do you think they knew what

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was going on? And you know, did they understand it? But I

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don't think they did understand it.
I think they knew things were happening to

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me, but they didn't understand what
it was. Probably sorry, probably didn't

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know how to you know, how
do you? How do you? That's

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what I think. Yeah, I
was just going to say, I mean,

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really it was sort of before UFOs
and abductee cases, Yeah, were

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sort of more prevalent in the press, wasn't it so during I mean,

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you know, the Second World War
was obviously before Roswell, which you know,

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to me was a big turning point
I think in the study of alien

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abductees and ups and UFOs, and
then obviously subsequently there's been you know,

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very famous cases since then. But
I think during the Second World War and

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before the Second World War, people
just didn't have the same sort of understanding

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about what these things were as we
do now. Yeah, that's right.

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I mean the thing is, you
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the nineteen seventies, and you know, even you know, some people say

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to me, you know about it
because I grew up in a very religious,

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you know family. But you know, my days, you know,

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my days, most of my days
were spent in the school, and you

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know, we had lots of religious
education, either that or we had I

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was at the church. You know, we did a lot of stuff.

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I grew up. I was taught
by nuns and priests. So so the

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church was just up the road and
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Sundays we were at the church.
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And in the community itself. It
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Everyone knew everyone and everything, which
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was involved with religion. You know, people will say to me, you

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know, if you know, if
it wasn't illusion or you were just seeing

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things, why wasn't you seeing anything
to do with Jesus or the Virgin Mary?

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You know. So, and you
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we didn't have any cond We didn't
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channels on the TV, which was
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were the children were the remote control. You know, I remember it well,

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So we were you know, so
we were kneeling down, and then

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we had to change the channels for
our parents, you know, for Crossroads

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or something like that, and the
crypto factor, and you know, so

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there was But also because we didn't
watch the TV, we didn't have any

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contact with anything what would be I
guess associated with this type of phenomena or

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subjects, you know. So and
even like with sci fi, we didn't

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have contact with sci fi in our
household. You know, it's just because

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we wasn't allowed to watch the TV
and it was with our parents, and

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what they allowed us to watch was
free you know, we're free channels.

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It wasn't much so so you know, so this type of phenomena presented itself

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to us, you know, to
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And you know, for a lot
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didn't know what was going on.
So you didn't you didn't watch I mean

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obviously sound like you sort of grew
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mean, I remember watching Space nineteen
ninety nine and UFO and obviously Doctor Who

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and that sort of thing. So
you you didn't watch those sorts of programs

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because basically your parents didn't watch them, and so you you and your brothers

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were just sort of watching what your
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the time. Yeah, I mean, you know, my parents didn't really

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watch anything like that, but you
know, it was again, it was

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very strict with My parents were really
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dad, and my book's pretty much
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just talking about my relationship with my
dad and how difficult that was,

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and you know, you know,
and that you know, I spoke about

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how I was a frightened with my
dad. You know. So it's a

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it's a mix, you know,
between my life growing up as a child

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in's seventies and as a teenager and
my relationships and struggles in that. Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean there was sort
of our our parents were brought up

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in a different era, weren't they
their parents behaving a different way to to

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certainly, you know, to the
way that I behave with with my son.

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But that's just of I think,
you know, as as people and

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as parents, we've just we've just
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and we're not we're not in that
same environment that sort of pre war

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environment where there was a lot of
hardship and a lot of social social hardship

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and degradation, which I think,
you know, sort of contributed a lot

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to it. You mentioned about these
aliens. Were you ever actually physically abducted

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and taken to an alien craft?
Then well, I had a lot of

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missing time, so I would imagine
something that did happen with that. I

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mean, me and Sean, you
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we were playing out on the grass
in the see my house was in the

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grounds of the school itself, so
I remember in the summer holidays, you

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know, when you know, we
had six weeks the school was closed,

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but my dad would be in school
and with the clingers, you know,

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making sure it's claimed for when they
do return, and me and Sean was

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on the grass, which was just
outside their house itself, kicking the ball

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around, and at one time,
you know, Sean said, why don't

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we go for you know, a
stroll around the school ground. So okay,

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this was a working week, by
the way, So in the immediate

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area, just around the outside of
the school grounds, there was lots of

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warehouses. There was a large,
a large police station that's still there.

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To this day, which is always
busy, and so people were going about

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their daily tasks. And I remember
me and Sean walking, which would be

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we went down the grass, which
was a slope ill, and we walked

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past the I remember the outside toilets, and we turned into where the the

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you know, the library and the
school hall would be and two of the

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school classrooms, the junior infant classrooms, and there was like a concrete staircase

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that went up to like a platform, and then another platform, and then

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you reached the school hall, and
I remember being Sean went up to the

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first staircase and up onto the platform, and I was just down below.

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I remember the stairs, and I
remember I was kneeling down looking at fire

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ants, you know, the red
ants, and just just looking at them,

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and so ed my back to him
and couched down and was looking at

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them, and I remember Sean then
calling out to me and he said,

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what's that? What say? Is
it? What is it? And then

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when I turned around and I looked
to where he was standing, he was

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pointing up in the sky. And
I remember walking up the staircase looking sort

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of in the direction of where he
was pointing, and I could see then

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in the sky above there was this
metallic object, you know, and it

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looked like what we now know to
be like a flying saucer or disc.

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So it's very shiny, but I
think that's where the sun was shining off

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its metallic surface, and it seemed
to be coming closer to us, you

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know. But as it was getting
closer, I remember I went into we

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both went into, you know,
a trance like state again, you know,

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being being like a you know,
the os factor type. And I

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remember everything around us, the sounds, you know, what we could hear

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days all vanished and we were just
standing staring at this object. But then

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after you know, I don't know
many minutes or you know, there was

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time that went past, and I
remember when I come out of my whatever

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I bring in, this object had
gone and I looked across as Sean and

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he was still in this trance like
state, you know, just staring into

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space, and I was calling out
his name, Sean, Sean, Sean,

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you know, and he wasn't responding. But then when I continued to

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call, he suddenly snapped out of
it. But you know, the first

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thing I remember that again, like
with the Nordic in the bedroom, something

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had happened. I didn't know what
it was. My heart was pounding,

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and I felt I felt fear.
I felt something had happened. I just

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didn't know what it was. And
I remember then just taking off, you

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know, running to go back to
the house and to find my mom and

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dad to tell them. And I
remember Sean was behind me and we were

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running, but I also remember just
looking up at the sky searching for this

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object and they couldn't see anything.
But then I remember just we just slammed

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into the door, you know,
startling my parents. My dad scolded us,

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scaring mom because they were in the
kitchen having a bite to eat and

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didn't expect us to be doing that. And I remember we both, you

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know, telling at the same time
our parents that something had happened, and

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you know, their only response was
I remember, they just looked at each

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other casually, didn't say a word, and just my dad just said,

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just go off, go back to
what you were doing, but stay post

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their house. They could see us, so there was nothing else said.

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But you know, much later on
though, when I was talking to my

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older with my older brothers, you
know, they did say that Mum and

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Dad used to talk about the experiences
that we had and the experiences that I

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continue to have in private, but
because they were older, I guess they

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were allowed to listen. Yeah.
So did you fail there was any missing

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time then in that particular instance,
do you think? Yeah? There were

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there was. I think there was
like a you know, I don't think

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it was a considerable amount, but
there was some sort of missing active missing

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time. But when that took place, but a lot of a lot what

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it seemed to be as well,
there were a lot of the abductions that

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I had as a child and as
a teenager, would what I would be

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out of the body, right,
Yeah, so where you're taken out of

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the body, you know, And
I mean there are been cases where people

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you know, in you know,
I guess in the fifties and the sixties

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had these particular experiences where they see
themselves still sat in the car whiles they

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were moving up towards an object.
So this would be then an out of

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body experience. Yeah, that's interesting
that. So what did your brother think

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of all these these things that were
happening. Well, you know what,

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when me and Sean, you know, we didn't we you know, we

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split, we we didn't well,
I've not spoken to Sean in like literally

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four decades, but there was a
time I managed to get in touch with

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him, and I did have a
brief moment when I was writing my book.

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I had a brief moment to speak
to him about things, because I

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obviously wanted to ask him if I
could put his name in the book.

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And he said I could, and
you know, just out of a common

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courtesy and respect. And I did
ask him, and I said, Sean,

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I said, you remember when we
were children and that time we saw

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and he said to me, you
know, he took me words out of

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my mouth. What the that,
you know? Metallic craft? And so

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he remembered it. And then I
said yeah, and I said, do

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you remember when we were in the
school or you know, in the school

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itself and we had an encounter with
a tall gray that appeared to us and

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we had missed some time then And
he said, yeah, he says he

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remembers it. And he went on
then to describe it. But when he

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was talking to me, it felt
like at one time I said, describe

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it in my book. It felt
like at one time he'd probably questioned it

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over the years, did it happen
did it take place? Was it my

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imagination? But obviously it wasn't because
I was with him when it happened,

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so, you know, I was
able to describe everything, and he was

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able to describe it and also finish
my sentences, so he knew, you

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know. And then when I told
him that Kevin, you know, one

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of my eldest brothers, he described
when I was writing the book that you

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know, the parents spoke about it. He remembers it. He remembers the

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conversation, to remembers us going to
our parents telling them about it. So

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it was talked about still in the
house. So it wasn't just like,

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you know, one of us having
these experiences. It was obviously shared between

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me and Sean. And have these
experiences sort of followed you through life?

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Do you still have these episodes?
Well, I was having them in my

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teenage years, and I was having
them, you know, I'm fifty five

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now, so I was having them
as a you know, a young adult.

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And one of the things is as
well, what I didn't realize is

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that this thing follows you, you
know, because when I left when I

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you know, my dad died when
I was fifteen in an expected art attack.

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And died, but you know,
I was having There was lots of

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things happening after he died, and
I was having a lot more contact with

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these particular beings, you know,
the grades, But it was happening,

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you see. I don't know if
it continued to happen for Sewan because we

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didn't have a really good relationship.
I'm not sure if my relationship broke up

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because of the experiences that we had. I don't know if he blamed me

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for those experiences. I'm not sure. But you know, the apparent want

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alien type activities did kind of accelerate
more when my dad died, and you

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know, some of them were a
lot of the activity that I had as

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child and as a teenager. It
wasn't good in the hands of these particular

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beings. I mean, in now
I have complex PTSD, so I was

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diagnosed with that last year. And
this is as I describe it's to do

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with a lot of the childhood,
the experiences I had with these particular beings.

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You know, I have fragmented memories, but in my book, I

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do have a lot of details of
what I do remember, but I also

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point out there are experiences that I
don't remember you know, so, and

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you know, I do explain that
in the book. But going forward,

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I do you know, I have
had I have had as an adult experiences

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again abduction experiences with these particular beings. And again you know, they are

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they're not physical, They're outside of
the body, right, So I'm being

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moved outside of the body because as
a child I always had the ability as

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well to do this, and the
ability to move outside the body. I

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can do I can do you know, remote viewing, and you know,

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it's only it wasn't long ago that
I've come to the realization that I can

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do that, you know. But
but so, but you know, if

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had speriences with shadow people, you
know, with what would be I guess,

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you know, like the whole hag. You know, I had some

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traumatic experiences with this particular entity when
I was sixteen years old, which was

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would border upon rape, really sexual
sexual assault, which basically still affects me

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to this day. I'm quite I
find it really difficult to sometimes talk about

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that because of what happened. I
was I was literally awake when it happened,

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and she would she would come to
me regularly and I couldn't do nothing

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about it. I couldn't move.
And I've had you know, I have

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a lot of I've had encounters recently
with the creatures what you know, would

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you call the suskbast creatures. I'm
not familiar. I'm not familiar with none.

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No, So I had something recently, lich was literally a few days

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ago, with these particular entities.
But you know, because of the complex

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PTSD, you know, there's lots
of things that come up with this that

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trigger you, you know, and
it causes you know, it causes so

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much problems for you're having this.
Yeah, I can understand that. Can

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you can you sort of describe what
these these entities that you saw recently,

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what sort of form their talk if
if you can? And I'm just I'm

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just conscious that I don't want to
push you into describing something that you're not

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00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:41,079
comfortable with. So, you know, by all means, stop me if

414
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,000
if you're feeling uncomfortable with with any
aspect of what you're talking about or what

415
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,960
I'm asking you. Sure, I
mean, I you know, I woke

416
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,160
up in the middle of the night
and I felt something there. I mean,

417
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,319
I'm not in the dark. I
have to keep my light on.

418
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,400
I mean, I'm an adult fifty
five years old, and I can't tell

419
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,480
my light of because fifty seven.
I have to do that myself as well

420
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:07,039
some time. But it's but it's
again, you know, it's not because

421
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,200
of the adult. It's the inner
child. It's the it's that's what it's

422
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:15,200
doing. Yeah. But but but
these particular beings, I've had these type

423
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,720
of things and the gin type things
before, okay, and you know,

424
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,920
they seem I think they seem to
know each other, you know, the

425
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,160
these type of entities. I'm sure
that they're all linked together in some way.

426
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,799
But these particular ones that come to
me, you know, they're females

427
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,319
and and and these are the type
of their sexual attacks. Okay. So

428
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:40,559
so it's and you know, it's
not always good. It's you know what

429
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:45,880
I mean, it's it can be
violent, and it's it's to do with

430
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,880
control. I think it's to do
with taking your energy. But but one

431
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,519
of them that I see on this
particular occasion was it was almost like formless.

432
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,920
It didn't have any you could see
it as a female, but it

433
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:06,759
was black, completely black. It's
almost like like plasma type you know,

434
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,319
around its body. But you but
and the other there was three of them,

435
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:14,839
but and they come at they come
on the same night that they come

436
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,880
at different times. But the other
two, the other two were you know,

437
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,720
they you could see that they were
female, so that if you look

438
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,680
at them, you could see,
you know, they had human form,

439
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,279
but they but they were you know, they you could tell as well,

440
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:35,680
you know, they wasn't human,
they were obviously. Yeah. So and

441
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:40,200
so I had this these free attacks
from these particular beings. And I have

442
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:44,319
had these particular beings in the past, you know, as I said,

443
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:50,440
the old hag type feeling type creature
which you know, and also you know,

444
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,759
the shadow type beings of saying and
had activity with these and also the

445
00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:00,160
modic type entities I've had as a
child, and I have a lot of

446
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,559
body experiences where I have encounters with
these particular you know whatever you want to

447
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,039
call them entities. And again they're
you know, they're not nice ones,

448
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:14,800
they're violent ones. So that there
is I don't know why I have accounts

449
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,360
for these particular beings, but I
think they're linked in some way to the

450
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,199
UFO phenomena. Yeah, yeah,
well, certainly there are a lot of

451
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:28,000
theories, aren't there about what we
perceive as paranoimal and what we say,

452
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:34,519
I mean and ups and UFOs all
being sort of linked. I mean,

453
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,840
yeah, I mean I don't I
mean, I don't know. But like

454
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,039
many of us, even you know, when you do research and researchers,

455
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:45,039
you know there are obviously lots and
lots of stories and that they all seem

456
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,239
to match as type of theme.
So when you know, when you look

457
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,800
at all of them, there is
obviously something in that that would then you

458
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,719
know, come to the conclusion that
these type of entities, these type of

459
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,800
beings, they're all linked together in
some way. But how do they link

460
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,679
to the people that are in these
experiences? Yeah, yeah, I mean

461
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,480
there are there are certain theories,
aren't that that that people such as yourself

462
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,800
for more attuned to the sort of
phenomena. So you know, you're on

463
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:22,000
that sort of frequency where where you
can pick pick these types of entities up,

464
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,239
you can see them and and you
know, interact with them and so

465
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,159
on, whereas other people who are
not on the same sort of frequency wouldn't

466
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,880
be able to. Yeah, I
mean, you want more the positive,

467
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,239
try and stay positive with these sort
of things. But I mean it does

468
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,159
sound from what you say, I
mean, you know, it's quite it

469
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,880
sounds extremely traumatic, and like I
said, I'm just conscious that we don't

470
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,800
want to be going down and having
you discussion that could potentially, you know,

471
00:35:52,639 --> 00:36:00,320
upset you mainly and perhaps upset other
people as well. So let's let's

472
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:02,880
just move back to what you were
mentioning before. I mean it, I

473
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,880
mean it's fascinating and it's fascinating,
and Michael, don't don't get me wrong,

474
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,360
I'm just conscious that, you know, we don't want to be going

475
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,800
going down the wrong the wrong avenue. With with this, you mentioned about

476
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,199
men in black, which is something
that I'm really interested in and a lot

477
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,400
of my listeners are really interested in
the men in black phenomena. You mentioned

478
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,679
that that you had some interactions with
them. Was that when you were a

479
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,480
child as well? Yes, it
was, Yeah, it was fun.

480
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,920
It was actually when me and Sean
a little while after this encountered with you

481
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,639
know, this particular metallic object.
Well, you know, we again,

482
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:43,280
it was in the school holidays.
We ventured into the school itself, into

483
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,079
the main school itself, and we
were playing a game, you know,

484
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:51,639
hide and seek and knowing off to
hide. Seong was counting and then you

485
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:57,800
know, in between that he stopped
counting and I actually come out from where

486
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,800
I was hiding, thinking that first
I didn't what he was going to jump

487
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,840
on me and try to, you
know, trick me. But then when

488
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,159
I come out, he was staring
again like it was before, which would

489
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,440
be then we were in the main
school hall, sorry, main school,

490
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:19,400
one of the areas of the school
where the library was inside and the secretary's

491
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,119
office. He was looking in for
There was two swing type doors. He

492
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,440
was looking through these into the hall, and there was a piano there next

493
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,880
to what would be the pea cupboard, and on just in the background would

494
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,920
be the apparatus, you know,
gymnasium, which were that they're folded into

495
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,360
the walls, you know, And
I remember he was looking staring at something

496
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,079
and again asking you know what is
that? He didn't know. He was

497
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,559
confused, you know, shocked really, and when I looked through the doors,

498
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:50,679
you know, it's like a really
bizarre site. Really, it was

499
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,239
this chall looking you know, what
would be I guess a gray and you

500
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,199
know, in my book, I
describe it as being similar but not the

501
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,280
same, similar to the one I
guess that you would see now in closed

502
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,519
encounters the third kind that wanted,
the tall wise one that gets out of

503
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,000
the ship. It was like that, but it was it was there were

504
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,079
some differences, but similar. But
it's very tall. You know. We

505
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:17,280
had long slender arms down its sides, and it was you know, it's

506
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,039
just standing next to the piano,
and we were staring at it and he

507
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,519
was staring at us. But at
that time we did a missing time there

508
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,800
again, we went into a trance
like state. I don't know what happened

509
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,519
in between that. That's something where
I don't have a memory of. Again,

510
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:36,119
I just have the memory of coming
out of this trans like state and

511
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:40,559
Seawan himself and the beard, this
creature had gone, and we're running back.

512
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:44,840
Then in fright, there was there
was always a lot of fear when

513
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,559
we come out of these type of
states translate states, you know, when

514
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:51,400
you know when you're like, something's
happened, you just don't know what it

515
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:55,639
was. And and and I had
a feeling it wasn't good. And then

516
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,920
we run back. But my dad
was at the time, you know,

517
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,360
it was again it was it was
his lunch break. The clingers had gone

518
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,800
home, but he was actually coming
back up the stairs. So we met

519
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,320
him in between, and Sean was
telling him, you know, that there

520
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:15,519
was somebody in the school and it
wasn't human. And I remember him looking

521
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,000
searching our faces to see if we
were triggering him or playing a game on

522
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,480
him, or obviously he could see
that we were frightened, and we wasn't

523
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,559
you know, messing around. We
were telling the truth. So obviously he's

524
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:30,920
gone off to look, you know, not for something supernatural or of you

525
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,360
know, under earthy origin, but
obviously thinking there's a human in druder.

526
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:37,719
So he's gone off and he's told
us to wait there, and he's obviously

527
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,880
searched doors a lot, the you
know, the glass has not been broken,

528
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,719
the windows are closed. So he
come back and he obviously couldn't find

529
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,440
anything, and he just told us
to go back to the school, you

530
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,519
know, to the schoolhouse and stay
there, you know. So but it

531
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:58,280
was only a little while after that. Again, I remember on this particular

532
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,239
you know, I describe it better
in the book, more details, but

533
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:06,480
I remember being my parents. It
was in the evening time, you know,

534
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:09,719
it was in the winter time,
and I remember my parents wanted to

535
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,400
go into the garage which was just
adjacent to the house, and to lay

536
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,159
some tiles. You know, we
had the gray and type blue type tiles

537
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:21,599
my dad had got because the old
ones, the other ones were crumbling,

538
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,280
so they wanted to lay the floor. So my brothers, Frank and Kevin,

539
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,119
they were out because they were older. So whatever they were doing,

540
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:32,000
I don't know, but they were
out, and Sean asked my mum and

541
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:36,000
dad if he could go into the
garage and watch, and so I stayed

542
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:39,519
in the house, you know,
and I offered to do the washing up.

543
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,280
So I remember, you know,
my dad asked, you know,

544
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,639
told me to lock the door,
which would let you know, the kitchen

545
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:53,239
door, which would have been the
back door. And I remember pulling up

546
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,760
a chair and turning it around because
I still wasn't tall enough to reach the

547
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,119
taps, and the kneeling. I
was kneeling it anyway, and I was

548
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:05,519
doing something there. And it's only
then that I become aware that there was

549
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,880
someone else with me. And then, you know, from your peripheral feenish

550
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:15,800
vision, I sort of looked to
what would be my right and into the

551
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,000
next room. There was this strange
looking man standing there and he was dressed

552
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,840
completely in black. You know,
I didn't know what it was then it

553
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,960
was TiO. Much later, when
I was doing research in I guess in

554
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,000
the nineteen nineties it was that I
discovered it was, you know, something

555
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,760
called a MB but there was,
but there was only one of them,

556
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,559
you know, normally there too,
isn't it all free? And so only

557
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,119
so I didn't know what it was. I was terrified, you know,

558
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,400
I knew there was no one in
the house, and god knows what I

559
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,760
was thinking, what, you know, who is this? And I remember

560
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,960
I was, I remember old,
and I had a china a white china

561
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,639
cup in my hand under the water, and I was old in it,

562
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:00,639
and I was thinking of myself,
you know, there's no one in the

563
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:05,039
outs and my parents sat outside.
Who is this? You know, I

564
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,239
didn't know what his intentions were,
and he was just standing there, but

565
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,880
I remember he was just dressed in
black, and I remember he had the

566
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:15,840
dark shades on as well, and
you know, and and it seemed to

567
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,639
be the dark glasses that that caused
me more fear than anything for some reason

568
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:22,519
at all. And he was just
staring at me, and you know,

569
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:27,199
I looked away for just a few
moments, but when I looked back,

570
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,159
he wasn't now no more, and
you know, some only later on,

571
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:34,519
I was thinking myself, did he
walk into the hallway? Did he vanish?

572
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,360
You know? But he was solid. You could see he was solid,

573
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,639
and I, you know, when
I could, I was. I

574
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,119
got down off the chair and I
rushed to the to the back door,

575
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:46,840
and I was trying to open the
key, you know, and my hands

576
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,400
were shaking, and I remember keep
looking back, looking back because I felt

577
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,800
that he, you know, in
case he attacked me or wanted to do

578
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,639
so, pull me into the room, aren't they But I remember getting the

579
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,159
key open and run out and the
bang on the garage door, and then

580
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:05,559
remember the door coming up and my
dad coming from underneath it, and I

581
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,719
told him again he's probably thinking,
my god, you know again, you

582
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,920
know. And so he went into
the house. And I remember at the

583
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,239
time Francis or he was coming back
from his time out, and I remember

584
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,400
my dad saying to him, to
somebody in the house. And I remember

585
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,480
my dad reaching down behind the two
other or the steel bins, there were

586
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:30,159
some two bins next to the wall
or the garage, and he took something

587
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:34,559
out, you know, an object
of some sort, and went into the

588
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,679
house, and they searched the house
where they couldn't find anything. You know,

589
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,159
my dad, my dad. I
remember my dad saying maybe he got

590
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,039
out he went out on the back
door when I opened it. But when

591
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:49,559
I went out, I could see
the door and the garage door together,

592
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,239
so he you know, he never
went out that way. So this was

593
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,519
my first encounter with them. I
did have other encounters with them which were

594
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:01,559
again outside of the body mm hm, which you know, and I did

595
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,639
have something which linked me back to
that time or with that being what we

596
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,559
see in the hall. So it's
much more. There was much more.

597
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,440
It's like it was I was seeing
more of what happened that I didn't remember.

598
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,920
Okay, so there was m IBS
involved in that one as well.

599
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,679
And this particular gray being and and
being taken abducted both of us. And

600
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,719
did they have a speech toure the
the m i bs. Did they ever

601
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,519
have a conversation with you at all? Or were they just there one minute

602
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,800
and gone the next? Well,
in the in the yeah, in the

603
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,360
in the in the one from where
I see him in the upper room.

604
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:51,039
No, I didn't remember any type
of conversation either, you know, you

605
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,960
know, verbally or in the head. I didn't remember anything like that,

606
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:58,719
but you know, when I was
able to see again what something that took

607
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,079
place, you know, they seem
to be they seem to be telling me,

608
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,360
in particular, that they had done
this because I was interfering in something.

609
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,840
But you know, it was only
a child, so I don't know

610
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:17,360
what that was about. And you
know, from other experiences I've had,

611
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:22,360
I do know that I've had more
contact with these particular beings, the MB

612
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:27,159
type things, and they seems to
any come though when you're when you've seen

613
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:31,280
something. Yeah, but it felt
like they It felt like they were quite

614
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,239
menacing with me, like they did
actually want to do me harm. Right.

615
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,400
Do you think they were human?
Do you think there were they weren't

616
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,679
human? Okay, No, I
know, I know what you mean.

617
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,920
I mean, you know, we've
had cases where the military even't we have

618
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:52,400
you have emulated them to make you
think that's what they are. And no,

619
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,960
no, but these particular ones,
know I didn't. I normally can

620
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,199
pick up if they're human or not, but or you know, if they

621
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,800
are, if they're not, these
particular ones, No, they wasn't.

622
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:07,519
They were they were something, but
they weren't human. And you mentioned about

623
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:15,599
the military being involved because your dad
was in the military himself, and you

624
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:21,159
said at the beginning of the chat
that you had a lot of different people

625
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,760
coming backwards and forwards to the house
when you were younger, and some of

626
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:31,559
those were military people. I mean, was was there anything particularly strange about

627
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:37,840
that? Did anything particularly strange happen
with those people then? Not that I

628
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,360
know of, but you know,
I've had strange things happened to me,

629
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:45,559
you know, going through my life. But I do, you know,

630
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,519
I do have a lot of military
adoption types. Now, you know,

631
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:59,840
I did have I did have an
experience again with the Grace where where a

632
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:05,840
United States military officer was present watching. Okay, when when you know,

633
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,880
this was just after my dad died. I was basically I would have been

634
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:15,679
turning at the time, turning sixteen. And you know, on this particular

635
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,480
in this particular case, I wrote
about this in the book. And there's

636
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:23,199
images of this as well, of
you know, which were done by Jason

637
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,239
Gleaves. Okay, yeah, yeah, so you've done them. I asked

638
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,840
him to do them, which he's
done well, and it just depicts you

639
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,199
know, what I had the end
of I literally had two grays. One

640
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,519
of them was using the one like
device in my mouth and it seemed like

641
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,679
he was, you know, drilling, but at the time when it was

642
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,679
happening, it was actually burning my
mouth. I was actually in my head

643
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,519
screaming. I wasn't able to shout
at wh I was paralyzed. I was

644
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,519
laying on the sofa, my head
was being held by one of the others

645
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:57,239
at the back of me, and
the one in front was floating towards me

646
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,519
with just the ice and the you
know, when it was it took.

647
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,719
It seemed to go on for a
long time, probably a lot less than

648
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,960
what it seemed like, you know, in the time, but you know,

649
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:12,519
as actually petrified it. You know, when it was happening, I

650
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:16,920
didn't know what was going on.
But when when it stopped and I was

651
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:22,000
still paralyzed, but when the grays
actually moved out of the way, I

652
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,960
was able to see that there was
this well you know what I can now,

653
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,320
you know, say, was a
US military officer in the uniform just

654
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,599
standing there watching with his you know, he wasn't he didn't do nothing,

655
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,639
he didn't say nothing, but he
was there. But when they vanished he

656
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:43,599
went with them, and then the
moment I could get out for this parent,

657
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,760
when when the paralysis left me and
I was able to, I got

658
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,639
up by stumbled back because it felt
like I was drugged. I stumbled back,

659
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,039
and then I moved, you know, I left the room as soon

660
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,679
as I could. I didn't want
to stay in the room. It was

661
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:04,719
you know, it's almost and I
rushed to what would be the downstairs toilet

662
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,079
and you know, put the light
and immediately the first thing I do wanted

663
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,360
to see what had happened in my
mouth because it was burning. You know,

664
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:15,119
I was literally screaming with whatever they
were doing. But you know,

665
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:17,480
to my surprise, there was nothing
there. There was you know, no

666
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:22,239
marks, there was no blood,
and so, you know, I didn't

667
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,440
know what happened. And I remember
going up the staircase to my room and

668
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:30,800
I remember collapsing on the ground on
the carpet, and literally it must have

669
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,320
I just went into a deep sleep. You know, when I woke up,

670
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,840
I retained that memory in full detail, what happened in the night,

671
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,360
what I did before that, what
led led up to this experience, to

672
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,079
the experience itself, everything I see, you know, it's detailed in my

673
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:52,920
book in detailing even what was in
that room at that time or when I

674
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,199
when this happened, you know,
back and set back in that time,

675
00:49:54,239 --> 00:50:00,599
I mean, sorry, and in
the eighties, and you know, and

676
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:06,119
and I did have something later on
that may you know, pour more light

677
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:10,199
on what they were doing, which
which involved you know, I guess an

678
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:17,159
implant, right okay? And and
that was that was later on when something

679
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:21,519
happened. It may be related,
it may not. But I did actually

680
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:28,159
give this specific device that fell out
in my mouth to a UFO investigator in

681
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:36,440
Essex. And what did what did
he or she make of that? Well?

682
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,199
He I went to you know,
I called him up when I said

683
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:43,800
what I told him what happened,
and he invited me to his house where

684
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,639
is where he actually had his office. And I went there and the and

685
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:50,920
I said to him. What I
said to him was what I could see

686
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,039
of this particular object was very small. It was you know, it felt

687
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:59,440
like a metal. It was like
a perfect square, very very small,

688
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:01,880
but perfect square. But when I
looked for a magnifying glass, you could

689
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,760
see it had symbols on it of
some sort. And he also had little

690
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,119
wires on it. And this particular
object fell out my mouth, you know

691
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:12,320
what. The night before it wasn't
there, and then in the morning it

692
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,599
just fell out into the sink when
I was having to watch. There was

693
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:21,119
no blood or discomfort I could feel. And I brought it to him and

694
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:23,639
he looked under it. He looked
under at it with a powerful, you

695
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:25,960
know, magnifying glass, and he
said the same. You know, he's

696
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,800
quite astonished, quite surprised to see
that there was something there, you know.

697
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,559
And he said, what this fell
out your mouth? And I said

698
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:36,320
yeah, I said, you know, if it's only because I hadn't know,

699
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,079
I had to plug in that otherwise
it would have gone down to sink.

700
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:43,000
And he said to me that he
had a friend in the m o

701
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:47,159
D and he would like to look
at it. And so I remember him

702
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,199
then saying to me, I'd be
in contact with you. And you know,

703
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,760
the weeks went past, I didn't
hear nothing, and then he contacted

704
00:51:53,760 --> 00:52:00,199
me and he said that unfortunately the
objects had vanished along with this person who

705
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:06,079
was at the m o D.
So, you know, someone said to

706
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:07,840
me maybe it was Nick Pope.
I don't know it was, but you

707
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,559
know that he gave it to.
I don't know. He just said he

708
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,760
had a friend at the m o
D who would be interested in looking at

709
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,679
it, you know, I don't
I don't know if it was Hope or

710
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,880
not. I don't know. Well
what what what sort of you? What

711
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:27,400
are we are we talking about with? That would have been I guess let

712
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,519
me see a six, right,
okay, something like that. I don't

713
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:37,039
know. I didn't know about Nick
Pope then, you know, so you

714
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:39,280
know, maybe it was maybe it
wasn't. I can't really spect. I

715
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,960
can't really say, you know,
someone just asked me recently, you know,

716
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:47,320
maybe it was I'm probably thinking it
wasn't. It was probably someone in

717
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,360
the military, maybe that he knew. Yeah, yeah, you know,

718
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:54,280
you know, like you do as
an investigator coming to all sorts of statue.

719
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:58,320
Yeah, of course. No.
Well that's I mean, that must

720
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,760
have been quite a shock to you
know, for that, for that to

721
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,159
happen. Yeah, I mean I
always remember it, you know, And

722
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,920
as I said, you know,
I I just wrote it down in the

723
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,079
journal that I had at the time, but I didn't know what it was,

724
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:16,000
you know. I was always having
these strange type of things happening to

725
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:20,440
me. And the thing is you
know, the frustrating thing about it is

726
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,800
you never you never have any answers. It's just like a riddle, you

727
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,400
know, but it seems to affect
you. Even that's a riddle. It

728
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,400
seems to affect you mentally and emotionally. Yeah. So so given given all

729
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,079
these I mean, obviously you've had
some very traumatic experiences of the years,

730
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,960
you know, and and and you've
said that they you know, they've obviously

731
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,440
had a lasted effects on you.
I mean, how how cathartic was it

732
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:52,280
then to write the book? I
mean, what what what sort of led

733
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,199
you to to write the book in
the first place, given how obviously how

734
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:00,639
difficult some of these experiences that you've
had, and the fact that they've had

735
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:04,559
on you. Well, I've always
been a writer, you know, I've

736
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,559
always you know, I've always been
someone who does a lot of writing,

737
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:12,199
but not published. You know,
there come a time, I guess when

738
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,280
I knew I was going to write
a book about these type of experiences at

739
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,079
some point in my life. I
just didn't know when. There were times

740
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:21,679
when I tried to write it,
but it wasn't the right time with everyday

741
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,079
life and other things happening. But
then you know, I just decided,

742
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:30,840
you know, I would set out
to achieve this, and I did,

743
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,239
and it was very odd. It
was very difficult because I'm like, when

744
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,079
you're writing the book and you're writing
about as an investigator, researcher, I

745
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,920
other people's experiences, this is deeply
personal. So when I was writing it,

746
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,039
it was difficult. There was lots
of triggers coming up from me.

747
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:49,480
And you know, there's lots of
you know, when you're going back and

748
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,840
you're remembering the details and how you
felt at that time, it brought you

749
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,039
back to that time. I mean, it did help in a way,

750
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:00,320
but it was also very healing for
me. You know, it allowed me

751
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,840
to go through those type of trauma
and you know, when you're writing about

752
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,920
it and putting it down, it
does actually it does help you to heal

753
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,800
yourself, you know. So it
did help me, you know, to

754
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:21,000
you know, to go back and
to relive and then to process it.

755
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,280
So so the trauma, you know, it did help me to do that.

756
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:30,000
And you know, and I guess
you know, again it was you

757
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:31,880
know, it's a big achievement for
me to get to get the book out

758
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,800
there and to to write it.
You know, people when when I was

759
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,480
saying to people, you're writing the
book, they don't believe you. They

760
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,320
think, yeah, you know,
everyone says that. But then you know,

761
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,199
but when it was published, you
know, you know, what can

762
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,519
you say? You know, I've
done it. Yeah, it's it's a

763
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:52,119
massive achievement. It really isn't,
especially when it's when it's something that's as

764
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:58,800
personal to you as you know,
what you've written in that book. I

765
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,800
think it is. I think it's
a massive achievement. And and obviously it's

766
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:07,559
it's helped you sort of work through
some of the things that have obviously been

767
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:13,119
difficult for you to remember of the
years. So it's been quite it sounds

768
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:17,760
like it's it's been worthwhile in the
fact that it's helped you sort of rationalize

769
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,039
maybe and and sort of heal a
little bit with with some of these experiences

770
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,000
that you've had. I mean,
the thing is is that, you know,

771
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:28,079
when I was writing the book,
I did reach out to a few

772
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:30,519
people, you know, but to
you know, Pauls and Claire Pause and

773
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:35,800
Claire, I asked him if you
do the forward, and he graciously accepted

774
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,159
and did. He also allowed me
to use you know, one of the

775
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:44,079
phrases that he coined. That I
used one of the chapters of a phrase

776
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:46,000
that he coined that he often used, and he allowed me to use that.

777
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:51,639
I asked him and he let me
use it. And obviously I asked

778
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:58,239
Jason Gleaves, he done my images. Ronald and Philip Cantilla helped me,

779
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,920
and you know, Mark helped me
with the synopsis, helped me put that

780
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:06,920
together. And then you know,
Philip Mantel said, you know, why

781
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,239
don't we take a look at it, Michael, And you know, you

782
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,400
know the rest is issue. So
because he helped me with the publishing.

783
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,519
Yeah, so all all the big
hitters in the field, many of many

784
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:22,000
of whom I have spotn too.
And I've interviewed himself phone so so yeah,

785
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,199
certainly a rogues gallery shall always say. Yeah. So, you know,

786
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,719
so I began talking to these and
I was telling them, you know,

787
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,079
I've had similar experiences like with Paul
and as an abduct tea, and

788
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:38,239
and you know, I started to
build a friendship with these and you know,

789
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,199
gradually, you know, they were
helping me with little bits of it,

790
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,000
you know, regards to publishing,
because they've been books. So you

791
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:50,400
know, so I built up a
friendship and they you know, I'm very

792
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,519
thankful to all of them that they
helped me and helped me, you know,

793
00:57:54,039 --> 00:58:00,679
I guess also with more so with
support. Yeah, and the support

794
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:02,960
that you know, it was the
support that was you know, you know,

795
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:08,239
really really accepted. You know,
that was really special. I mean,

796
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,079
you're talking to like minded people,
aren't you, and you discussing there

797
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:16,480
with like mine exactly. It makes
you feel a little bit less out there

798
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:20,199
on your own when you can when
you can discuss these sort of things with

799
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:27,000
people who have had similar experiences and
are not going to pretty judge exactly.

800
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:31,199
And I remember it was then you
know that Ashton Greg you know from the

801
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:38,119
paranormal you know podcasts, you know, they they invited me onto their show

802
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,400
and I spoke to them a few
times. So you know that helped as

803
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,159
well, you know, of course. Yeah, and hopefully this will help

804
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:52,119
a little bit as well. Yeah
yeah, yeah, so the pursuit of

805
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:54,360
the paranormal. Yeah, so yeah, this will as well. Yeah.

806
00:58:54,400 --> 00:59:00,800
So you know, I'm really thankful
you invite me onto to you No,

807
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,920
it's been absolutely fascinating, it really
hasn't. And you're definitely up there.

808
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:09,559
I think with with you know,
the most interesting guests that I've I've spoken

809
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:15,760
to over over the course of the
podcast. I noticed that your book,

810
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:22,840
I know you said that that your
book have been published through Philip Philip Mantle.

811
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:30,000
It's it's also on Amazon as well, and there's an audiobook, isn't

812
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,320
that? Did I did? I
notice an audiobook? There is, there's

813
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,599
a it's on actually paperback or cover, it's on the it's on Kindle,

814
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,440
and it's on an audio book.
So we had a narrator come in and

815
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:46,800
and do that through Philip Mantle.
And I'm writing the second book now,

816
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:52,960
the follow up. Okay, so
that's you know, that's going through various

817
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,679
experiences that I didn't mention obviously in
the book first book, but I'll probably

818
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:00,840
write it a little bit different then
to the to the first book. You

819
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,159
know, in the in the first
book, it's very much to do with

820
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,199
showing everything you know in the way
you know, sometimes you can just tell

821
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:13,760
a story or you can show the
you know, people that are reading it

822
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:17,079
much more detail. So I might
write it a little bit the second one

823
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:22,920
a bit different, but it is
the books are volumes, so you know,

824
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,599
I'm writing them in volumes to so
just going from when there was a

825
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:30,239
child to a teenager, then to
a teenager to a young adult. But

826
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:37,559
I'll be in obviously, I'll start
from my childhood home again to the point

827
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:42,239
where I left it, and then
moved into what would be esthics, right,

828
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,880
and then again these experiences start to
accelerate, you know, start to

829
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:50,840
But there were there were positive ones
as well, which I mentioned, so

830
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,760
you know, well, I'll have
to have you back on them when you

831
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,840
finish the second book. It's the
same point I have come back on and

832
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:02,960
and tell us all about about the
second book. Are you okay with people

833
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,719
contacting you if they want to want
to contact you about things? Do you

834
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,280
have you on Facebook or social media? Or do you have an email address

835
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,760
that people can contact you up?
Yeah, they can contact me on my

836
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:23,800
email address, which is Michael Cameron. That's ok twenty twenty three at gmail

837
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:29,679
dot com. Or you can contact
me on on on Facebook as again Michael

838
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:35,400
Cameron, that's okay. And you
know, I do get a lot of

839
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,199
people contacting me, you know,
yeah, but you know, anyone who

840
01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:43,119
does contact me, I always answer
back and or you know, accept a

841
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:46,679
friend request, and you know,
meet like minded people. Excellent, good

842
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:52,400
stuff. Well, it's been great
talking to you. You've had a fascinating

843
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,920
life, haven't you had an interesting
life up till now? And good luck

844
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,039
with the book. Good good luck
with writing the second book. As somebody

845
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:05,599
who's who's written a couple of books
myself and I know it's a it can

846
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:09,239
become the labor of love and it
can become all consuming. So good luck

847
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:15,239
with with both the books. And
as I say, when when the when

848
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:16,960
the second book comes out, I'll
keep an eye out for it and hopefully

849
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,920
we can we can get together and
have a chat about about the second book.

850
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,679
Yeah, lovely, thank you.
I really appreciate you asking me on

851
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,519
no problem. No, it's been
great, thanks for coming on. So

852
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,639
yeah, take care Michael, thank
you for thank you for speaking to it

853
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:36,800
to me. Thank you, thank
you. You can visit my website at

854
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:43,440
www dot Craig Bryant dot co dot
uk. Paranormal Pendle will return and remember

855
01:02:43,800 --> 01:03:04,639
to keep watching the shadows. Do