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It's Tuesday. You know what that
means. It's time for ignition with the

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aw Fat podcast team. This is
Kelson, this is Alex and the first

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thing I wanted to talk about today. It's not a big story, but

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it is a story. And basically
we had Conan on his podcast and I

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did God's work actually listening to the
clip instead of just reading the headline.

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Heart Yes, I got to listen
to my favorite Disco Inferno and his cutting

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commentary on the wrestling industry. You
are said that sarcastically though, right,

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Yes, Okay, I just want
to go ahead like Conan, at least

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he's He's to my understanding, is
like a legend in Mexico. I don't

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think anyone would say that about Disco
Inferno in America anyways. So basically Conan

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and Tony Khan had a working relationship. Keny Omega wrestled in Triple A.

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Conan as the booker for Triple A
was sending guys like Alhi od Bi,

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Kingo and Commander to ae W.
So they've had a working relationship, and

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I guess ty Kanti was being lent
out from Tony Khan to Conan and Triple

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A and for whatever reason, Tony
Khan had to use her on an aw

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show, so couldn't sent her over
to Triple A for a date. And

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this was back in when like twenty
twenty two, right, yeah, this

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was years ago, I mean co
Yeah, I think that makes sense.

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It was definitely not twenty twenty.
That was definitely during COVID. It was

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during COVID. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, So basically Conan didn't want

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to refer to tay Kanti by name
and instead referred to her as some check,

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like, oh, Tony Khan is
gonna lend me some check and then

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couldn't. And Tony Khan, I
think, rightfully, I mean not that

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some chick is necessarily offensive, but
calling tay Kanti some chick as the leader

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of Triple A Wrestling is pretty pretty
unprofessional as a minimum, right, absolutely,

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And to me, what's interesting about
this story is more that it shows

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Tony Khan kind of from a different
angle than what we have been conditioned to

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think of Tony Khan in terms of
him sitting next to Cmpunk as CM Punk

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goes off on his tangents during that
horrible press conference, and this is kind

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of a different side of Tony Khan
where he's actually standing up for female talent.

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He's confronting longtime veterans and professional wrestling, you know, pseudo legends.

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So that's why I think that this
story is interesting to me, and I'm

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wondering, Yeah, Kelson, what
you think or the other guys. Yeah,

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I mean, look, thumb chick
was not professional as you said.

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Yeah, I'm kind of one of
those people that I don't refer to the

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women wrestlers in any wrestling company as
girls, even I kind of I'm uncomfortable

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with that. That just me personally. I don't like when somebody calls them

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girls, even though it all due
respect and admitting this, when you see

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men's wrestlers doing a promo for me, a w in the ring, they

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will say the guys and the girls
in the back, you know, so

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thy say, I'm just saying,
as far as me, I am not

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a fan of that. But I
don't think that if it's said in a

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using girls the term girls in a
non you know, biased or a means

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of as a way of ridiculing a
woman or female wrestler, then I don't

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really really see anything wrong with that. However, some chick, no,

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I don't think that that was right, And to me, it's water under

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the bridge. It happened in twenty
twenty two during COVID, Tony Kahan said

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that the reason why he could not
send Taei Kanti, which I mean that

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was so long ago she was still
Kanti. The reason he didn't send te

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Kanti was because the wrestler was supposed
to wrestle for the show that he had

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already booked couldn't do it due to
COVID, So he had to bring back

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what he could now would have happened
today. If it would have happened today,

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then you would have had probably more
women in the locker room that he

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could have called on that were healthy, cleared, have been tested, et

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cetera. But back then, you
don't know how it was working. And

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so I could kind of understand why
Tony had to pull take Anti back.

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But and I can kind of understand
why Conan didn't say her name, but

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I had the same token. I
don't, you know, I don't quite

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agree with her calling him, calling
take Anty some chick. That's my opinion.

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Yeah, and I think, yeah, kudos to Tony conference standing up

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to Conan. And I guess that
It's interesting because now we've seen cmll and

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and a W have this pretty strong
partnership, and it's clearly, you know,

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the Triple A partnership seems to be
done. Yeah. Yeah, like

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even the Lutri Bros. Seemed to
have distanced themselves from Triple A. Yeah

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absolutely. I mean, Ray Phoenix
just had a whole thing going with him

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that he couldn't wrestle, you know, due to Triple A. So we'll

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see, you know, I mean, look at uh uh who was it

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that wrestled? Was it? I
can't remember who had to wrestle on Uh

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who wrestled g F on TV with
the with the no commercial break was No,

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it wasn't it was no. Was
it Rouge that was because that was

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because of Triple A something going on
there. So but anyway, let's get

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the other guy's opinions on this this
uh matter, Maybe they can land some

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other thoughts. So so here's my
thoughts. What the hell does it matter

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now? I mean something two years
ago is that the most that did I

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mean is Conan's podcast got to the
point where he's got to bring up stuff

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from two three years ago. That
makes absolutely, I mean slow news Week,

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but I guess. I mean,
you know, you've got what I

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mean. That just don't make any
sense to me. And honestly, there

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this is not the first bad thing. Like a lot of the trouble they

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were having with U, Triple A
and guys in the past was the fact

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that Triple A and New Japan didn't
get along and they couldn't have certain guys

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work on certain shows if New Japan
was going to be there because New Japan

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worked with the other company in Mexico, so they weren't. I don't kind

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of like what happened with Rossi Agawa
and Stardom when Rossi got out that all

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of a sudden started became available to
work with a W and vice versa.

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Yeah, and and and and and
that's that's all that tells me that there's

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a problem with Conan. But then
again, he's hanging out with Disco Inferno,

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so you already know what the problem
is there. So yeah, I

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I don't know. Like I said, it's kind of ridiculous that they're bringing

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this up now, And uh,
I think Tony handled it right. They're

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calling her some chick. This just
that that's just stupid that don't make any

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sense. At all. Why you
wouldn't want to say her name. Yeah,

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it's kind of well, I can
understand that saying her name, but

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you say the woman that was was
scheduled the rest Russell won't be able to

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appear, not some chick. That's
not like here. Not long ago they

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were supposed to have I think it
was Triple A, uh, not Ray,

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but his brother Penth was supposed to
go down and Wreussell and it ended

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up getting chant because of something that
he had. He had to be available

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for a match, and it was
you know, they mentioned that it was

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he was. They were upset because
it was. They said, Penton,

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what's the difference. Why are you
going to say a guy's name if they're

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pulling him and not the girl's name. That makes no sense. I will

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say this, and you could agree
with me or dot agree with me.

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But I honestly believe, you know, and I really do believe this that

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even in a private conversation somewhere,
I find it hard to believe that Tony

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Kahan would ever use the term some
chick. And I really do feel the

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same way about Triple H. I
don't think that he would use the term

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some chick. No, you know
Fitts McMahon, Well, we won't go

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enough time to go there, but
no, I mean it's it comes down

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to Conan. I think Conan likes
the story of trouble wherever he gets a

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chance, and I think that that
this goes the same way. They make

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a perfect pair that way. They're
always looking to cause some kind of issue

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about something, whether it's an issue
to be had or not. And I

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don't know. After two years,
I'm like, man, you really must

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not have anything to talk about.
What about YOUBK, do you have anything

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on this? Uh? I'm not
defending Conan here, but the way he

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kind of talks, I can see
him using that that verbiage. Yes,

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it is kind of dismiss dismissive,
but I really, you know, this

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is, to me is something that
I wouldn't even commented on. I would

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have would have done it on.
I don't know how Tony reached out,

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but there are ways to do stuff, and I wouldn't have went full bore

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on it like he has. I
said, it's water under the bridge,

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but it's not something that I that
that piques my interest at all. So

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if I'm understanding you, you don't
think that what Conan said was meant to

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be meant to be dismissive or meant
to be a dig It was just kind

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of bread out of ignorance because he
just didn't know better. That's the kind

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of thing you say different than anybody
else. I don't know how to put

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that. Get the way he talks, and he's probably raised that way of

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talking like that, But I don't
think it was meant malicious at all.

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That's fair enough, and I can
see that point. That's a really good

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point, actually, So let's move
on, because we did have something that

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kind of sort of broke. It's
been tossed around saying no, and that

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is that that WWEE and a W
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Now, it's been argued that that
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signed with CMLL, but it has
been pointed out also that CMLL is known

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to let wrestlers out of their contracts. But look, based on how Stephanie

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Vacker performed at Forbidden Door, that
would be a huge get for aw It

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would be a huge get for WWE
or any other company that signs Stephanie Vecker.

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So what do you guys think about
Stephanie Vacker possibly leaving CMLL and going

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to WW or AWW. Look,
this is an AW podcast, so obviously

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we would be probably biased towards AW. But I do think that she would

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be a superstar on w W E
or W whichever one she goes to.

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So I'm curious to see what you
guys think. So based on the one

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match that I have seen that she
put on against Monette, she would be

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the tough stary in either company.
On the women's side, She's amazing.

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She did an amazing job at the
pay per view. The other thing I

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have an issue with is why if
you work she's under contract to c MLLL

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and they have a working relationship with
AEW, would she need to get out

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of her contract. All she needs
to do if they want her to work

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here send her over. I mean
that, that to me just makes no

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sense. Now, if she's going
to WWE, yeah, she's gonna have

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to get out of her contract because
they don't work together like that. But

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well, one thing I want to
point out to you, Sudden is that

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Stephanie did make a post a couple
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Twitter or x where she did say
how proud she was that she is one

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of the only women right now that
are working for aw CL stardom and New

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Japan. She said, find me
another woman that does that. I'll wait,

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you know, do your homework.
Frankly, there isn't any really,

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and if there, there's certainly not
anywhere other than they're not they're WWE.

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No, and they wouldn't be.
And that's the thing everybody else makes this

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big deal about. Oh, she
would make a lot of money going to

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a the WWE. Yes, she
would. In AWWE. She would have

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to give up New Japan, she'd
have to give up stardom, she'd have

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to give up CMLL, and she'd
have to give up AW So I'm sorry,

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I wouldn't. I see no reason
why I would do that if I

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was her, because it makes no
sense. Yeah, And another post that

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she made, she also did go
out of her way to say that she's

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not done with Mercedes Bonett and she
wants a remap. So that sounds like

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she's leaning towards AW to me,
I honestly don't think she's going anywhere.

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I think it'll stay the same way
it is until her contract runs out.

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Then she might move on but until
her contract, which I have no idea

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what her contract is, and I
don't think anybody else really does either.

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Maybe you could find it, but
right off the top of my head,

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I would say she probably will stay
in CMLL until her contract runs out and

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just use the current relationship set up
and do her thing. I may be

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wrong, but I could have sworn
that I saw somebody, and I don't

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know how reliable this source is,
but they did say that she had a

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couple of more years left on her
CMLL contract, But that could be totally

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bocus. I'm just say just something
I saw, right, And that's the

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thing why I don't see a reason
why, And from Aw's point of view,

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I wouldn't see a re and why
i'd want to pay her big money

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when I can use her and somebody
else is paying the bill, you know

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what I mean. I mean,
that's that makes no sense. Well,

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you still probably have to pay her
for her appearance, and it probably cost

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a penny penny anyway. So yeah, but if she's only going to make

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one or two appearances a year,
that's more. That's better than paying her

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five or six or a million dollars
a year to be full time with your

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company. Right, Well, let's
get the other's opinions on this. So

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I'm going to say, you know, if I was her, I would

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I would stay a free agent and
just travel wherever you need to be.

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My problem with her current her coming
up. I like her. I think

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she would be great, but Tony's
booking sometimes puts her where she wouldn't be

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on all the time. And that's
my main concern about having her over here.

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And I also think that AW had
AW had her in her contract,

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she would not be able to travel
as much as she would like. Yeah,

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you know, some of the people
get to go to here, there

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and everywhere. You know, John
Moxa gets to go to blood Sport or

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New Japan, but they're not primary
residents there, and she would have dominant

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storylines in AAW. But she pulled
on Matt Cardona and just went wherever she

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wanted to and made the money.
You know, she could do whatever she

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wanted. She wouldn't have to stay
firm, and she could travel the world

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and just have fun being what she
wanted to be, no strings attacked.

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Let me ask you this, I
k before Alex gets a chance of time

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in so do you ever. See, Look, Stephanie Voker is a main

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event type star, okay, and
she would be wrestling in AW in main

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event type matches for the TBS Championship, the maybe even something like next year's

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owen Hart and maybe for the World
Championship Women's World champions as a free agent

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or as a person that is from
CMOLL that AW uses. I think AW

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is proven that somebody from another company
is never going to get an AAW belt

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ever, So, I mean we've
seen that at all the Forbidden Doors and

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other matches throughout the company, you
know, throughout the time Dynamite Collision wherever.

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So do you think that Stephanie would
Stephanie would be more leading toward not

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coming to do that kind of work
in AAW simply because she doesn't want to

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come and get beat all the time. Well, would you look at how

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they handle meant Mira, she she
was used quiet well, even though she

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didn't win what we thought she should
have get, she got used. And

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it depends on really what she wants
out of AW deal. Does she care

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about having that title or she tailed
titles in different companies, so does that

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really matter to her? Well,
even with Mina Shirakawa. She did post

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to herself after Forbidden Door saying that
she has not given up on the aw

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Women's World Championship yet. So I
thought that was interesting because the storyline was

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that the three of them, meaning
Tony, Mina, and Mariah are now

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like good buddies, friends, sisters, and now Mina comes out and says

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she's not through facing that yet.
So I think I think that with what

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you're saying is a good point.
But I think that Eddie Wrestler, man,

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woman tag whatever, they don't want
to come to a promotion to get

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beat because then it ruined, it
hurts their reputation with the fans, and

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the fans clamoring for somebody to come
is based on that reputation, which means

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that the more they lose, the
less money they're gonna get. Kind of

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thing. That's just my opinion.
See, I don't see it that way.

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I think I think using the Forbidden
Door example is not a good example

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because that's a one two year pay
per view. If she's gonna be if

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she was if she stayed in CMLO
fault and they just use her in the

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things. It's a little different that
way because she would be able to come

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in for more than just one night. If she was to come in and

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win this the tn T or the
TBS title, she'd be able to stick

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around for a little while or come
back more often than to just do it

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on a one night thing. Yeah, and I think if she was with

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AW we've seen them lend wrestlers out
consistently. But yeah, I kind of

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would like this year under an AW
contract as an AW wrestler because then she

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would get that sustained push and could
compete for a title. I guess there's

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a part of me that kind of
worries, like because she's not like a

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great English speaker. She can't speak
English well, but it's maybe kind of

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like Rouche, where it's maybe a
little hard to understand. So there's a

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part of me that worries that maybe
she wouldn't be featured as well as she

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could be on AWTV. I don't
know, because Mercedes Money is featured on

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and she can't speak at all.
I mean, I can understand what she's

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saying, it might take her a
little longer to get it out, but

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you know, I'm sorry. Yeah, Yeah, I think, like Stephanie

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Vecker, she's a really like kind
of a once in a lifetime talent,

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because I can't think of another Mexican
female luchador wrestler that's really come out of

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Mexico and been successful off the top
of my head, and she's already basically

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done that. Yeah, I mean
there's not many. I think that's a

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really good point because there's really not
that many. So you're saying she's a

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will Osprey type person. Well,
I don't think anybody's will Osprey type person,

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but she's definitely it's not maybe it's
not that she's better, but with

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her style, she's doing things that
a lot of American fans it's new to

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them seeing a woman be able to
perform things that they've never seen before and

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do it it smoothly and fluidly.
Yeah. Yeah, she's really like she's

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one of the top wrestlers to me
in the world right now, and just

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period, not like top female wrestlers, just top wrestlers. Like she's really

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incredible and I'm sure she'll end up
with either AW or WWE, and I

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could see WWE really making good use
of her. They've had good history of

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treating like the Japanese women wrestlers well
so yeah, I think this sky's the

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limit for her. I'd love for
her to be in aw of course,

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but well we'll see. They've spent
a lot of money on Okada, will

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Osprey Monet might as well go for
the clock. Yeah, yeah, for

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sure. Okay, talking about new
wrestlers, we had a Matt wrestler vignette.

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Maybe it's for a wrestler. There's
also rumors that it's actually just for

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a video game. It was a
clip of some guy jumping into a portal

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and the words hologram came on the
screen and then it flashed quickly a wrestler

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that looked a lot like Arrow Star
from I think Triple A and was part

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of Luca Underground. He basically had
the same mask and in like arm things,

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shoulder pads. Uh. You must
have paused that at the right time,

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that that was a blip on the
screen. Yeah, I thought it

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was a Green Ranger. It could
be it could be Conan as Max Moon

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when he was in the w W
Easton. It could be TJP who used

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to have a video game type character. But I don't think it's a wrestler.

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I think think it's some type of
project because I guess a couple of

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months ago, back in they trademarked
some of this stuff at the top of

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the year, and Hologram was part
of that, but it wasn't type in

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the same you know, when think
of her wrestlers, I remember Jericho coming

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out to that type of programming type
thing with save us or something like that,

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and it looked like Sammy. But
I'm wondering if it's just video game

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we can create a superstar and they
jump in the ring, or I would

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love for it to be a streaming
service. That that's not going to be

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it, but we'll see what happens. Well, look, we posted it.

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Somebody posted it on the aw fan
pub subreddit, and people seem to

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be convinced that it's Semi Gavara.
I'm not so sure, but I just

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wanted to throw that out there.
Maybe he's not a wrestler, maybe it

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is just for a video game or
some promotion. But yes, MK,

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you're right, they did, meaning
a w did trademark Hologram. So if

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it is a wrestler, that's probably
gonna be their wrestling name. It'll be

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a great replacement for Gravity, I
guess. So, I don't know anybody

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else have anything to say about this
particular thing. It could be like Suicide

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was a TNA and what do you
mean by that? He was their pop

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up star. That really was was
was dressed as anybody they wanted to and

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they could use him whenever they wanted
to. Yeah, it was like different

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guys wearing the same hout fit and
mask. Oh rotating. Okay, well,

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as long as it's not a w's
version of the version of w CW

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Shockmaster, the version of Glacier.
Glacier was really really promoted back then,

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remember that, And then when he
came out it wasn't really it was anti

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climactic. You can't promote somebody.
I mean, this vignette that they did

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for Hologram was very short, very
mysterious. But with w c W what

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they did it was Glacier as that
made him seem like, Hey, this

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is a guy that's going to make
whole COVID look like a kindergarten, you

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know wrestler, you know so and
it and it didn't work out that way.

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He's he's great, Well, he's
actually works with a W now he

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is a coach and a producer.
That's confirmed. He's making his return to

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the ring. He shall see.
Well he has he's sixty years old,

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but he does still get in the
ring, so he could be a very

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very strong possibility. Yeah. The
one thing that's interesting about this, whether

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it's a wrestler or not, is
just aw really hasn't done vignettes at least

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not often, especially not for something
new like that. They're keysing, and

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we've seen that in WWE a lot
over the years, so I wonder if

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this is at the beginning of something
new or they're just testing it out.

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They got quite a bit. If
you go on Twitter or x whatever you

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want to call it, you go
on to subreddits and stuff, it is

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getting talked about. It is getting
talked about, so that's good. But

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I don't think people are at this
point based on one vignette, are you

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know, over the moon excited waiting
for the big reveal or something to that

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effect, you know. So I
think that it's just gonna take some time.

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On My worry is that they're going
to handle it like they did with

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Glacier, and they're gonna have these
longer vignettes and really pump them up to

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if it is a wrestler or whatever
it is, pump it up to be

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something extraordinary and then it ended up
being just another guy. Yeah, like

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if it had never done that before. Yeah, Like if it is Aerostar,

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he has had one match in aw
before, he's almost forty, it

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would be it would be like the
re debut of Gravity. As you said,

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basically, it would not be it
would not set the world on fire.

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No offense to Aerostar. Oh yeah, well it's gonna be interesting to

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see what Palista? What's that?
It's Kalisto? He actually Samurai Dell Soul.

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Yeah, he was in the match
with Aerostar. I did my research,

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but hopefully not him either. Yeah, he's going to research this week.

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What's it been. Calisto? He's
famous for the Luca Things promo.

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All right, he's the one that
would run down to the ring and use

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the catapult to jump in the ring
once and then they changed that because he

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didn't do it right. I think
the production team did it wrong, to

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be honest with you. Yeah,
I think that was Sinkara. Who is

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never mind, it was Sara,
that's right about It was Cinkara. Yeah.

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I think he was the second attempt
at making a new ray Mysterio.

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Also, it didn't work. Yeah, there's only one ray mystereo. Yeah,

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and Sinkara actually was a big star
in Mexico. Well, yeah,

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it is Forbidden Door as Mystico as
Mystico. Oh okay, you do that

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right, that Sara's mystico. No, I didn't know that. Yeah,

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that is that is absolutely true?
Is mystic Okay, that's okay. Yeah,

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so I caught up. Car has
been on a w born in most

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of the CML, cmlund Yeah,
yes, he's not too long ago too

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right, Yeah he did. Yes. Well, look let's move on because

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we've got on Dynamite tomorrow night.
We've got a couple of really I think

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that are really interesting matches, and
that was sort of two Owen Heart Cup

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Foundation Cup Finals, the first one
being and we're gonna talk about them both

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at the same time. I think
that will work. We've got Brian Danielson

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versus Hangman Adam Page, and then
we've also got Willow Nightingale versus Mariah May.

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And I have to say that while
most bull that I've seen talking about

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this believe that Hangman and Mariah May
are going to win these matches, there

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can be something said for Willow and
Brian Danielson also winning these matches. This

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is probably and I'm going to go
out on a limon say this, and

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I'm going to say this with pretty
good conviction. This is the third oh

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and a hard Cup Foundation or whatever. People always say that they don't like

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it being called the Owen, but
I'm just gonna call it the Owen.

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Hate me if you must. You
could post that I'm a jerk on aw

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fatob on Reddit, but I'm going
to go out on a limon say that

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the Owen this year, as far
as the finals go, these are the

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least predictable and probably the most interesting
as far as story goes, of them

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all. I think they hit the
nail on the head by making both of

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these matches for a world title shot
at all. In So, what do

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you think about the Owen coup as
far as I'm not Owen's cop, don't

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say it that way, the Owen
And what do you feel about it?

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What do you feel about the Owen
as a whole this year compared to the

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last two years that they had it? And what do you think about each

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of these matches? Anyone? Anyone? Go ahead, Alex, I'll let

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you start. Sure, Yeah,
like the female side of things is really

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interesting because Willow I don't I can't
think of her other than the Mercedes Monet

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match that she lost, She's basically
won every match in the last six months.

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Other than that, She's beaten Chris
Statlander multiple times. She won the

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TBS title over Julia Hart Like she's
been on quite a run. She's been

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booked as probably one of, if
not the strongest women in ae W and

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I can in like a match her
versus Tony Storm at Wembley Stadium would be

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a huge main event women's match in
my opinion, and she I could see

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her dethroning Tony Storm. But probably
the more likely winner is Mariah May beating

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Willow here and that would be the
biggest win in Mariah May's career so far,

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beating Willow, I assume cleanly,
and then that will set up a

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huge match for Wembley Tony versus Mariah, which will be even more crazy.

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So in terms of let me ask
you this, do you think that with

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Mariah May is the story better?
Being that we've already had this long ongoing

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thing with Mina shir Kyle and Tony
Storm and Mariah May plus Tony Storm was

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not born in England. She was
born in Australia, but she grew up

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just in Liverpool. Basically, I
mean she moved her grandmother lived in Liverpool.

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I believe it was that she moved
to Liverpool. That's where she got

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interested in wrestling, started wrestling.
Of course, Mariah May is from England.

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Do you think that would just be
a better match to sell at all?

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In yes, I do think that's
where like the story is for sure,

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It's way more interesting from a story
perspective if they did go with Willow

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here, they still have that story
in their back pocket and they can tell

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it over a longer period of time. Maybe the Willow feud can lead to

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Mariah May and Tony Storm have a
trouble with each other more so in both

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cases they could make it work.
But yes, I would say that Maria

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ma Tony Storm match is bigger in
a lot of ways. And I think

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if Willow did fight Tony Storm at
Wembley, it would be a lot more

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predictable that Tony Storm would retain the
title because that Maria May match is looming

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in the future. And if if
Mariah May faces Tony it's a lot more

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interesting because who would win. That
it could go either way. Yeah.

404
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:38.400
My biggest fear is that they're going
to do what they did at all in

405
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:43.119
last year, make the Women's World
Championship match a four way. I mean,

406
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:47.400
I don't want to see Willow,
Mariah Mina, and Tony Storm in

407
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.039
a match. I just want to
see a one on one match because I

408
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.159
think that they could pull it off. Yeah. Yeah, if they need

409
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.719
to do a multi woman match,
do it with the TBS title. I

410
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:02.119
guess yeah, don't do it here. This is a big, long term

411
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:10.280
story they've been telling dot don't ruin
it. So I don't have much faith

412
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:19.239
in a Willow versus Tony's Storm matchup
at all in. I just I don't

413
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:23.280
think she's ready for that high point
yet. I think she's a unique wrestler.

414
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:29.920
Willow is, she's she's good,
and she's popular. But right now

415
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:35.480
Mariah May is hitting this weee spot
and I think the storyline between the two

416
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:42.760
of them is going to hit the
high point, and I think it's time

417
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.840
for Tony Storm to lose that bill. I think she's had it long enough,

418
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.400
she doesn't need it for her for
a long amount of time, and

419
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.400
she's told her story, and now
it's kind of time for her to see

420
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.760
a downfall and see where it would
go. And there's plenty of time to

421
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:59.320
do it other that time. We're
talking about that yet or not. But

422
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:05.159
it's a good match and the storylines
this year have really stepped it up.

423
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.159
It's no longer predictable. Like you
said, Okay, let me ask you

424
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:13.679
a question specifically. So let's just
say that Ria May wins tomorrow night and

425
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:17.880
goes on to All In to face
Tony Storm. Here's another one of my

426
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:21.079
fears, and I want to see
if this is one of your fears as

427
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.079
well, what happens if they go
to to go to them all in Tony

428
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:37.719
Storm and Maria May, Tony Storm
retains who's left exactly. I mean,

429
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:44.119
I see where you're coming from,
but I just don't see Willow needing that

430
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.360
title right now. And I don't
think she's a top tier wrestler. So

431
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.920
I mean, they're kind of a
spot where either they move this story along

432
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:59.119
or they make us wait. And
I don't see much story between between Tony

433
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:05.480
Storm and Willow. I mean,
I don't. I don't know what to

434
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.199
say. Well, no, we'll
get what you're right. The story is

435
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.599
definitely there between Mariah May and Tony
Storm, and it's not really there between

436
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.440
Tony Storm and Willow as of yet. But if Willow does win tomorrow Night,

437
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:22.079
they've got a little over a month
to set up a story. And

438
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:28.159
I think Willow's really come into her
own cutting promos, so I have faith

439
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.840
in her and Tony Storm's ability to
sell that and make that feel like a

440
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:37.039
big deal. But I agree that
Willow's stories like Chris Statlander, and that's

441
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:42.039
probably what direction they're going with her. So yeah, probably, Maria,

442
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.760
here's the thing. Here's the thing. You spent six months almost working on

443
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:54.199
a storyline building towards Mariah May and
Tony Storm, going in Mina shir Kawa,

444
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:59.480
who's not done yet, she'll be
involved in this too. If you

445
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:05.039
do not have Mariah May win this
thing tomorrow night, you've killed that storyline

446
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:10.119
because that's going to delay it a
month. It's going to completely change what

447
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:15.679
happens, and it'll die. And
that's what everybody should be fearing is that

448
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.039
they do that, because you can't
continue a story. What would be the

449
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:27.400
point of doing all this build up
for the mass they did at Forbidden Door,

450
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:31.800
That that that didn't end how anybody
saw it ending. It would make

451
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:37.639
no sense to the end of the
story. And there's absolutely no history between

452
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:43.880
Tony Storm and Willow. I agree
with both you guys that I don't think.

453
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.320
I don't think. I well,
I just kind of disagree. I

454
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:51.920
don't think Willow is anywhere near being
ready for a world title run. I

455
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:59.440
think Mariah made is more than ready
because for me, right now, for

456
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:05.159
me, right now now, she's
probably probably the third, second, or

457
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:12.159
third best, the first or second
best female wrestler on the roster. No

458
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.760
I could agree, I could argue
that she's the best. Well I'm saying,

459
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:22.639
but I agree with what you're saying, right and it would be the

460
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.360
perfect ending to the Tony Storm title
reign. It gives her the opportunity to

461
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.119
take that character to melt down,
which would be the best way to end

462
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:35.679
that character is not to just have
it. Like you said, who's next?

463
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:39.679
If she goes up against Willow,
getting back to the Mariah May storyline

464
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:45.239
is going to be damn near impossible. But there's there's just I just don't

465
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:50.880
see Willow. I don't see what
everybody else sees in Willow. Everybody talks

466
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.239
that she's doing better in her in
her promos. To me, her promos

467
00:41:53.320 --> 00:42:00.800
aren't they're they're decent, but they're
they're they're almost as if she's being doing

468
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.880
promos as a heel. That's not
a heel. She comes out like the

469
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.480
last one she did last week.
She was talking about when she faced Statlander,

470
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:13.719
it's like, smile if you have
to. But she didn't say it

471
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.360
like she meant it. She said
it like, you know, I'm getting

472
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.039
tired. It was almost like I'm
saying this because i have to, because

473
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.280
that's whatever expects. But I'm not
that way, and it just doesn't make

474
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:28.039
any sense. I think this whole
I think they screwed this whole thing up.

475
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.639
They really did. They turned Statlander. I still think they turned Statlander

476
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:36.760
Hill and shouldn't have. Statlander should
have won last week because she's the one

477
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:43.360
that's done more for the female in
the company until every until they got all

478
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.320
these other ones came up in the
last six months before that, when she

479
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:52.920
took the title away from Cargill,
she did the most to get the women's

480
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.000
division righted back the way it needed
to be done, and then what happens

481
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.960
to her. She gets turned heel
and they throw her aside. That didn't

482
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.719
make no sense. I think if
they ruined this match, if they don't

483
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:08.039
give Mariah made this title shot at
Wembley because she's English, Like you said,

484
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:13.760
she's English and you're gonna have Oh
yeah, that's the whole point you

485
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:19.239
want. Like you know they gave
Soirea the title last year? Why because

486
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:23.000
she's English and they wanted her to
have her title shot at Forbidden Door or

487
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:29.960
all in so put the two English
women in the title match. On that

488
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:36.199
who's next thing? We have so
many women that are still out. Yeah,

489
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:50.800
that's what you mean exactly we managed
to get And I've been watching I've

490
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:55.079
been watching a w from the beginning, and I get what Tony's trying to

491
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.719
do with some of this stuff.
But he does have a tendency when it

492
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:04.559
comes to the women to throw a
hail Mary pass that gets picked off and

493
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.079
returned for a touchdown. He does
it a lot when it comes to women's

494
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:12.199
matches. It's just how he's done
things. But on the men's side,

495
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:20.880
I'd kind of like to see Swear
versus Danielson, But most likely that one's

496
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.639
probably a foregone conclusion that's going to
be Hangman just because of the unfinished business

497
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.760
they have. Do you see something? I kind of agree with you a

498
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:35.119
sudden I think that something is going
to happen in tomorrow night's match where Hangman

499
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.920
is going to win it clean.
But Somebody's gonna come out and get into

500
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:45.760
Danielson's face, whether it's tomorrow night
or very very soon, whether like collision

501
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:52.760
or you're still thinking you think it's
gonna be what's his I have no idea

502
00:44:52.320 --> 00:45:00.559
what the announcer. I do not
think that it's Nigel. Oh really,

503
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.039
if Nigel confronts him, Nigel's gonna
confront him and says, I have a

504
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.239
friend that could take you on.
Nigel is never going to wrestle in a

505
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:14.320
ring again. Who But here's my
question for hope it does happen. He

506
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:22.519
has basically said that he's ready to
wrestle, he's been training. Could be

507
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:29.320
nothing. I have no doubt that
Nigel is ready, and I don't have

508
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.639
any any doubt that he could do
it. It's just too much of a

509
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:37.480
risk because of his condition, as
simple as that. I mean not only

510
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:43.800
and I don't think that they can
let him do it. He's not going

511
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:49.320
to be cleared and frankly, to
be honest with you, the way it

512
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.000
is right now, I would feel
that on a big stage like all In,

513
00:45:53.119 --> 00:46:00.440
it would be I would just be
uncomfortable watching that match. Oh,

514
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.719
it won't happen all In. I
think you see they're talking about. If

515
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:09.119
that happens, it'll be a it'll
be Danielson's final match. It'll be the

516
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:14.320
match that ends his career. The
will end his career with. That's what

517
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.840
they That's what people are saying that
they see happening. I personally don't want

518
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:20.800
to see that either. I want
to see Danielson. I want to see

519
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.840
Danielson go to all End and win
the title, get a six month run

520
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:28.440
with it maybe, and then and
the world at World's end give it up

521
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.639
and that would be the end of
it, and that's where he retires.

522
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:37.440
That's what I Yeah, I understand, Yeah, but sudden and and MKA

523
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.719
I will make this point that you
could talk, but Danielson's gone on record

524
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.440
record multiple times saying he does not
want a championship period, and did Sting,

525
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.239
and so did Sting until Tony conn
said, hey, guess what you're

526
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.199
getting The tag titles don't care if
you want it, you're getting it.

527
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:57.519
So I mean, I know I've
heard that many times. But before MK

528
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.519
hanging on one, say Tony Tony
now calling you, Tony Kelsen. Do

529
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:07.360
you know if Mariah, if Mina
sher Cow is available tomorrow night, I

530
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:13.280
do not know, because I can
see her being there and that could be

531
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.119
a way to start even if she's
not there. They've done it in the

532
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:22.559
past where it started them when Mina
Sir Kyle had a match and startom they

533
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:30.880
had. Tony Storm talked to Mina
via a taped message, so that respect.

534
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:36.159
Let's let let's let m K talk
because we're talking way too much.

535
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:40.480
Were can talk about everything that other
people may want to talk about. So

536
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:46.800
here's my thing. On the men's
side, I don't I think either way

537
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:53.320
would be great, but for my
sake, I think we're beating Danielson at

538
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:57.400
one of the biggest pavor views.
We'll put another notch in his belt to

539
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.239
make him bigger. I don't.
I don't have any problem with Hangman winning.

540
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.679
I think there's a whole course of
ways to go with that and makes

541
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.480
him see it a little bit,
and I think one day Hangman deserves a

542
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:14.719
title shot. But I think it's
too soon for Swarre to lose it,

543
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:19.280
and Dan and him and Danilson would
put on the clinic. I really do

544
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:24.440
believe that. I agree, And
I want to say something here. Remember

545
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:30.880
when Hangman and uh Moxley were doing
their thing and they had like four matches.

546
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.199
It got to the point where I
did not want to see Moxley and

547
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.039
Hangman. I was on this podcast, I said, I really have no

548
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:42.320
interest in this match. You know
that last match that they had where was

549
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.599
it a double or nothing? Twenty
twenty three, I can't remember exactly where

550
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.440
it was. You know the one
where where Hangman are basically hung Moxley by

551
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.280
a chain. Yeah with a match, Okay, that match On our podcast,

552
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.440
I would saying, I really don't
want to see this again. They've

553
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.480
done it too much. Blah blah
blah blah blah. Then I saw in

554
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.760
the match, I was like,
this is the best dad match I've ever

555
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.760
seen in my life. I loved
every second of it. I swear to

556
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.760
god, I've got I swear.
I think I just wet myself. I

557
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:15.000
don't know, it's just like,
I mean, we're I just thoroughly enjoyed

558
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.679
a match and I did not want
to see. Maybe I enjoyed it because

559
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:24.440
my expectations were so low. But
that's my only problem with Hangman and Swerve.

560
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.480
If Hangman wins tomorrow night, and
I don't know if you guys feel

561
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.519
the same way, like, Okay, so we're gonna do this again,

562
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.199
Well, they've done it. Every
time they've done that match has been great

563
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:42.280
and and almost each one better than
the last. But can they keep that

564
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:46.960
up? I think I think they
could. I and the story they're telling

565
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:52.559
now with Hangman as the heel and
Swerve as the good guy, and Hangman's

566
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:58.519
come back with like his scowl permanently
on his face, I don't know.

567
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.239
I could see it being like the
Mariah May Tony Storm match, Like this

568
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:12.480
has way more story behind it right
now than what Brian Danielson versus Swerve has.

569
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.079
Alex, let me ask you though
that everybody else can answer this too.

570
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:22.079
Do you really see Hangman right now
as a heel? Yeah? Yeah,

571
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:28.760
I do. I think he's going
to be more. I don't like

572
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:35.320
he tried to kill Jeff Jarrett and
well so would we all, Well,

573
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.400
yeah, we would have, you
know, a few weeks ago, but

574
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:46.840
not after his hurt felt promo that
Storytellers he became simply speaking of Jeff Jarrett,

575
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:52.599
I have a question after you're done, Alex. Yeah. And the

576
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:59.920
only other thing I want to add
is I could very well see Danielsen verse

577
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:07.000
swerve at all out after because I
think that's in Seattle if I'm not mistaken.

578
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:15.440
But I could see that being like
the follow up match rather than it

579
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:20.039
being the all in match. And
I was just looking on the internet.

580
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:25.480
There is a hepatitis feed vaccine,
so theoretically they could have Nigel versus Brad

581
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:32.639
Danielson if you know they get their
blood tested beforehand. Gesture the vaccines are

582
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:40.559
take it old, all of them. K want to say so, Jeff

583
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:46.880
Jarrett has inserted himself as the enforcer. Does anybody trust him enough to be

584
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.480
partial? I mean, could he
screw of one of those guys out and

585
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.840
then feud with them for a little
bit, because look, they made him

586
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:59.320
such a sob story. He made
people believe. I think it would be

587
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:05.039
the ultimate He'll turn to use that
and have him threw Danielson out of it

588
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.719
somehow and make him a heel again, because he's a better heel than he

589
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:15.599
is a face well, Daniels sending
Jared at all in. Oh my god,

590
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:22.880
that would be terrible. I know
what I didn't. I didn't see

591
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:28.239
I will never see Jeff Jarrett as
a face period, end the story.

592
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.920
He has done way too much to
be on the evil side to ever be

593
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:37.440
considered a good guy. Even with
the mushy story Eye and the story he

594
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.800
told about Owen and all that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was

595
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:45.039
a great story. And you knew
he wasn't gonna win because when you knew,

596
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.360
when you figured out who was coming
in, you knew he was gonna

597
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:50.639
get beat. It added something to
the Owen, but that was about all

598
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:55.840
it was. If he's inserted himself
in as the enforcer, I see him

599
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:04.559
screwing Hangman and then them having a
mini feud and then have like Alex said,

600
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:10.760
have Danielson swerve it all all in
and then swerve and hang Man it

601
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.199
all out vice versa which everyone comes. I can't remember, but you know

602
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:22.320
what I mean. That would make
and Daniels said, yeah, I don't

603
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:24.679
want to see Jeff Jared involved in
this. I think it was a nice

604
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:29.760
moment. You know, they put
some keep behind the match that he had

605
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:32.760
with with Hangman, but I don't
I don't need to see him keep being

606
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:40.280
involved in this, so I'm hoping. Yeah. I mean it's the two

607
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:46.079
outlaws. I mean that's something to
go on. And I like Jared.

608
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:50.599
I think that match was a very
good match he had with Hangman, and

609
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:54.800
I like to see some I don't
know, I just think he At first,

610
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:59.000
when Jared came in, I was
not for him staying at all and

611
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.519
inter wrestling, but he he grew
on me and I think he could do

612
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:08.320
something. Yeah, I agree,
he's grown on me. I think when

613
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:13.159
you first debuted it was kind of
like, oh God, why is here?

614
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:19.320
And I have enjoyed him a lot
more over time, but he's more

615
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.599
of like a zero hour guy.
I don't know. If I don't want

616
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:27.880
him to be in the main event
feud and Hangman's corner, that would be

617
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.880
a little bit weird to me,
but maybe they can make me believe.

618
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:49.079
Okay, what's the next subject?
What's the next subject? Did we hear

619
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.039
Kelson's thoughts? I don't know,
Kelson, if you're trying to chime in,

620
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:58.280
you're muted. Okay, So I'm
sorry, you know, I didn't

621
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.639
know we were done, but I
before we go to I have a kind

622
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:05.719
of a bonus topic that I want
to talk about that we've not even discussed,

623
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.960
and you guys don't even know what's
coming. But before we do go

624
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:13.440
to that, I have a special
treat for you guys. It's only five

625
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:16.559
seconds long and it's an audio,
so everybody on listening will be able to

626
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:21.360
hear it. So I got a
cute up and here it is. This

627
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:27.000
is Jeff Jarrett actually playing guitar.
And here it is, right though,

628
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:36.679
it's only five seconds long. Ready, here we go. Pretty good,

629
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:43.880
wasn't it? Did you guys hear
it? Okay? Yeah? It was

630
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:46.960
great? It was I called it's
okay. Yeah, Well, of course

631
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.599
you don't hear anything because there's no
goddamn strings on the guitars. How are

632
00:55:52.599 --> 00:56:06.679
you feeling, okay, buddy?
So here's gimmick. I am going to

633
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:14.400
reveal that for the last thirty years
that guitar has been a gimmick guitar.

634
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:22.280
I never never realized. I never
even thought about it. Well, you

635
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:29.199
know, flapping around everywhere, flapping
of course. What I like. Let's

636
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:32.639
say that Kelson grabs the guitar and
hits Alex over the head, which I

637
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:38.320
have honestly wanted to do multiple times, but basically it might hit you over

638
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:42.960
the head. It would be like
you'd hear it, you'd hear the you're

639
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:49.719
here play at least sometime you'd hear
like a twang. But there's nothing a

640
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:52.199
couple of yeah, you know.
But anyway, it's like sitting on a

641
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:59.400
piano anyway, except on Alex's head. Here's the I want to bring up

642
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:02.840
a topic that it won't be a
long topic and give everybody a chance to

643
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.440
chime in here. But I want
to talk about the purse of Serena deeb

644
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:13.719
Uh. She had had a somewhat
of a feud being set up with you

645
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:19.599
Kaza Kazaki. Sakazaki gets injured,
so they started having a feud set up

646
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:23.960
between her and Rio. Rio fractured
her arm this past week, so now

647
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.480
she's out. So basically, if
you want to get rid of a wrestler,

648
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:31.280
aw put her in a storyline with
Serena Deep. They don't even have

649
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:35.760
to wrestle, you know. It's
kind of a shame. I will say

650
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:39.800
this that there was a picture that
was posted a workout picture, and it

651
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:47.159
featured four people in the picture.
It was Tymelo said Kanti so much earlier

652
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:52.679
that now I forgot her actual last
name, Tymelo Guevara, Sammy Guevara,

653
00:57:54.679 --> 00:58:02.519
Uh Kanosuke Takashida, as Mark Briscow
would call her, call him, and

654
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:10.079
Yukasankazaki and y Kazakazaki, you know. So it looks like yu Kazakazaki may

655
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:14.920
be working out. She did have
her ankle rapped, but it was just

656
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:20.199
a regular rap. She was in
gain gear, you know, workout gear,

657
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.440
you know, sitting outside the ring. There were fey Mellow was holding

658
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:29.360
Luna, who was definitely given up
big time. Ill vibes to me,

659
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.719
so that that kid's gonna be problems
when she does. Yeah, that the

660
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:39.800
baby. But I just thought the
picture was interesting to bring bring up because,

661
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.840
uh, it shows there was a
couple of things that have been interesting.

662
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:50.440
And I did some research on it
and I could find nothing to confirm

663
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.760
this at all, but I wanted
to bring it up just to kind of

664
00:58:53.800 --> 00:59:01.960
get your reactions to this. Is
that I've seen people saying that Yukaza Kazaki

665
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:10.159
and can Oo Skate Takeshta are actually
married. Wow, But I can't find

666
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:15.760
confirmation of it. But that's what
people are saying and if that's true,

667
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:22.320
that's that's a pretty big deal.
But they I mean, there's nothing on

668
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.800
like on their Wikipedia pages. There's
nothing on like anything cage Match, there's

669
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:31.880
nothing on Fightful. But I have
seen other people saying that they've been together

670
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:36.639
for a while and that they are
actually married, So I thought that was

671
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:38.960
interesting. But the other interesting thing, of course, is is that Tay

672
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:44.159
Mellow is in the picture working out. I've seen her doing running drills through

673
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:49.400
the ropes and stuff, and I
guess I want to focus more on that,

674
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:52.199
really, I mean, you can
speak about other things. But back

675
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:59.880
in late May, Tello put down
that did write on act that it's about

676
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:02.440
she's about two months away from being
cleared, which means at the end of

677
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:07.880
this month that's the two months.
So I mean, what do you think,

678
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:12.239
you know, with Tay Mellow coming
back, Sammy Guvar still hasn't come

679
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:15.559
back even though he's been unsuspended,
or they waiting to bring them back at

680
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.800
the same time, you know,
what do you think, what's what's gonna

681
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:23.880
happen with Sammy and Tay Mullow when
they come back. Do you have anything

682
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:28.519
in your minds as far as look
with Sammy. I'm just gonna say it.

683
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:30.679
Sammy's new gimmick should be that he
has an axe and he just takes

684
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.119
chops down the learning tree. That's
all I want to say. That's it.

685
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:37.800
You can even take down the redwood
if he wants. But you know

686
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:40.599
what, you know what's the learning
tree segment? So you'll miss it?

687
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:47.239
No, because I have learned.
Look, I'm a little older than you,

688
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:53.039
Sutton, you know, and over
the years I have learned that one

689
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:57.760
should not beat their head against a
brick wall and then complain to other people

690
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:01.159
that they have a headache. And
watching the Learning Tree, but I did

691
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:06.880
watch it is like beating my head
against a brick wall. They gave me

692
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:08.960
a headache. I don't have headaches
anymore because I turned the shit off.

693
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.679
You know. I don't want Samity
to do good. People were joking around

694
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:22.199
about that, about that mysterious video
that he needs to come back rebranded,

695
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.360
and they wouldn't have a problem with
him coming back into the Luchador and not

696
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:31.280
samp and Cavara. But okay,
let me ask you this now at all

697
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:38.480
serious. Now, if Sammy Guvara
show it up tomorrow night or a week

698
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:45.679
or two weeks from now in a
full Lucidor costume. Would you say,

699
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.679
what the hell is Sami Gavara doing
at a lutator costume? You know what

700
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:52.760
I mean? It's not like it
would be like, well, yeah,

701
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:58.039
that's Semi Gavara. Well, you
know, he likes anime stuff, and

702
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:01.000
he and that suit kind of reminded
me of anime. I'm not saying it's

703
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:07.440
a good idea, but he needs
something. Sammy needs a rebrand, he

704
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.760
needs to stay away from the Jericho
Vortex. And I don't know what to

705
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:16.559
do with it because he's so controversial, he's so hard to work with.

706
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:21.639
I just don't know what to do
with him. But Tay, but Tay

707
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:24.880
mellow or I hope she comes back
with a vengeance. I really think she

708
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:30.159
has places to go, and I
think she could be the star of that

709
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:34.960
family. Sammy can do whatever he
wants to, but Tay has potential to

710
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.360
be something. But she keeps on. You know, there's injury and pregnancy

711
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:43.480
and weddings and all that stuff she's
been through, so she's right, she's

712
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:46.480
due for something. Alls I've said
is that putting a mask on Samy Gavar

713
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:50.159
and saying, oh, you do't
can't expect people to say, oh,

714
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:54.159
who's that. That's like putting a
pair of hord hord drimmed glasses on Tay

715
01:02:54.239 --> 01:03:00.039
Mellow and say, hey, who's
that blonde woman? You know, he

716
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:04.480
just doesn't work. That would be
horrible for Sammy because it would almost be

717
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:10.920
them saying like, we don't believe
Samy has a personality enough, and we're

718
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:16.760
going to put a mask on him, pretend he doesn't speak English. Well,

719
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:21.559
here's the thing. He's Sabby's nickname
is the Spanish God. He doesn't

720
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:25.960
speak Spanish, so you would be
a silent person because he can't speak Spanish

721
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.760
unless he's taken lessons. But he
would speak broken Spanish. So he would

722
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:37.079
alienate the Spanish community that watches a
W because then you know that there's a

723
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:43.599
lot a lot of you know,
Mexican and Spanish viewers that watch a W.

724
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:45.760
But what would you do with him? I mean, how can you

725
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:51.039
help him? He's he's been at
the top, he's been great when he

726
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:53.480
had a tn T title. But
I don't know the bad booking on Tony's

727
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:59.280
part or what, but he just
no, I don't I don't agree.

728
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:02.519
I think sam has been his own
worst enemy. I think he seems like

729
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:06.920
a guy that gets along with people, but he also hasn't. He had

730
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:14.280
like a fight backstage with Andrade.
But but even worse was, you know,

731
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:18.360
he brought his fiance out into the
ring and proposed to her, and

732
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:25.199
then and then like months later he
was leaving her for Tyme Mello. And

733
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:29.360
that's really when everyone turned against him. And yeah, things happen in life,

734
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.119
but to do it so publicly and
then to think people are going to

735
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:36.599
be on your side, it was
just, you know, he in all

736
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:43.320
seriousness and I'm that serious here.
If you want Sammy Garvar to get over,

737
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.320
whether it's a heel or a face, you start with him taking down

738
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:50.199
the learning tree. I swear to
God, that's just that's how you do

739
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:55.199
it. That's how you do it. I think you need to stay as

740
01:04:55.239 --> 01:05:00.920
far away from Jerick Ghost possible.
I agree his his the problem is okay,

741
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.280
yeah, what he did with this
first girl, whatever, that was

742
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:06.159
fine. Whatever he did it,
it's over, it's done with him.

743
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:09.880
In time, moved on, they
got married, the baby. Now,

744
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:15.960
his biggest problem's been he's been put
in with groups that he shouldn't have been

745
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:20.320
put in with he's much better by
himself. He was a great TNT champion.

746
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:25.440
He was he was doing his own
thing basically when he was the TNT

747
01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:30.000
champion. And that's where the problem
comes in. When you put somebody in

748
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.880
a grassle like look, look,
let's let's like like look at the at

749
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:39.719
wardlow wardlow did great for a little
while by himself. But every time he

750
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:43.280
starts to get built up, they
put him with a group and what happens

751
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:46.079
to him? Bye? He goes
bye bye because they I mean, look

752
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:49.239
at him now. He and he
hasn't wrestled him forever, and when he

753
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:55.880
does, nobody cares because he's in
nobody now he's on he's like an also

754
01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:00.960
ran in the unit in the Undisputed
Kingdom. I think that that's his own

755
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:05.840
fault, like he he's never been
a great personality when he's on the mic.

756
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:10.400
Like when they had that four way
pillar feud, he felt like,

757
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:16.440
wow, he's really like the bottom
pillar for sure if you're and then he's

758
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:20.480
always sloppy in the ring like you
know him and will Osprey both do that

759
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:27.800
like jumping cutter. Will Osprey makes
it look great every time Sammy does it.

760
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:30.880
It looks like the worst thing I've
ever seen in my life, except

761
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:40.320
forst. Cody Rhodes was one of
my favorite a W Yeah, I thought

762
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:45.079
that was. Occasionally he strikeschol especially
when he tries to like literally kill himself

763
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:53.199
more than anyone else, jumping off
a ladder to give I could probably do

764
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:59.280
it once. My problem if you
put him with the right music, I

765
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:02.679
don't know why using Alex so much. You put him in matches against the

766
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:08.360
right people, he could be easily
be one of the top people. You

767
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:12.280
put him in a few with Darby, well that might be that might go

768
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:16.440
against their insurance policy because those two
would kill each other. But they could

769
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:19.280
put on a hell of a show. You put him in there with some

770
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:23.400
of the loocha doors that come in
from other places, and he could be

771
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:29.920
great. But sometimes I think the
it's just he's not being put in the

772
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:35.719
right situation. But where do we
see Tate mellow, we see TJ come

773
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:41.800
back, or do we see something
else? I wonder if she gets blotted

774
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:46.119
in with the outcast now that is
with them. That makes sense? Yeah,

775
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:51.000
I kind of like that. That
makes sense. Well, we're going

776
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:54.679
to see it pretty soon. That's
going to be answered pretty soon. I

777
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:58.599
think I would not be surprised if
in the next couple of weeks we do

778
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:02.840
see Tate Mello show back up.
So keep keep looking at the match cards

779
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:08.800
for like the end of July,
maybe the beginning of August, and see

780
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:14.760
if we see something like ana J
on dynamite or collision you know, in

781
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:17.119
a in a match, you know, and I think that's going to be

782
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:26.520
the tell tale sign that hey we
Basice m hmdustry. But but but it's

783
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:33.520
it'll be if I do think that
is going to get back together at this

784
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:39.960
point, I wouldn't mind at all
if I saw, you know, Ana

785
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:44.760
j and Tay Mellow go to uh
Stardom even and do a little bit of

786
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.760
a run there over a couple of
week period of time, you know,

787
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:51.560
because stardom is they have a lot
of shows. Just the other way to

788
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:55.159
put it, they have a show
like every three days. It seems like

789
01:08:56.159 --> 01:09:00.640
it's amazing how much they wrestle.
So Japan, but that's just me.

790
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:06.479
Well, Japan did a lot for
Jack Perry as far as his character,

791
01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:10.399
that's for sure. I think he
was more over in Japan than he is

792
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:14.359
in the American United States. To
be honest with you. So anyway,

793
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:17.960
well we'll see. Hey, you'd
never know. We got, you know,

794
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:21.279
a lot of stuff that could happen
tomorrow night. We've got a lot

795
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:24.960
of stuff that can happen in the
next couple of weeks, and we'll be

796
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:29.359
here to talk about it. Uh
So, tomorrow night we'll have I'll lead

797
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:35.640
talk with the aw fat podcast team. And this was Ignition. Thanks for

798
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:43.560
listening, everybody. This is Kelson. Good night everybody. YO, good

799
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:49.840
night, Eddie Kingston. Wherever you
are, New York. He's probably New

800
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:50.760
York. Yeah,