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Hello everyone, Welcome back to a
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David, did you see the news
about the Biden family business and Joe Biden

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and personally benefiting from it? I
did, But please, Molly, can

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you explain it to me him pretend
I don't know anything about it? Yeah,

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well we Margo Cleveland wrote up a
really great explainer for us about what

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happened. But I think it was
over the summer that Joe Biden was being

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asked about the Biden family business,
where members of the Biden family like lots

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of members of the Biden family take
money from foreign oligarchs and people connected to

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foreign governments. It's a little unclear
like why they're doing it other than because

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they're related to Joe Biden, or
what people get out of it other than

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they're related to Joe Biden. And
so that helps these businesses or individuals.

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And he said something like, where's
the money. Huh, where's the money?

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So last week or the week before, they were showing how a domestic

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part of the Biden family business resulted
in two hundred thousand dollars I think going

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to the Biden to Joe Biden.
But now we have news of a straight

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up transfer of forty thousand dollars from
a Chinese company to Joe Biden, funneled

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through various different mechanisms, and they
actually followed the paper trail. So there

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was this five million dollar release of
funds from a Chinese company to a joint

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venture between Hunter Biden and China,
and then from that came four hundred thousand

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dollars to a Hunter Biden like account. So four hundred thousand dollars. Keep

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in mind, what is ten percent
of four hundred thousand dollars forty ten percent

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to the big guy. So ten
percent to the big guy. So four

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hundred thousand is given to Hunter Biden's
checkbook. He sends one hundred and fifty

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thousand dollars to his uncle, Joe's
brother James, and his wife Sarah.

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From that, they take out a
fifty thousand dollars cash withdrawal, and then

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they write a forty thousand dollars check
to Joe Biden, now our president.

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This was all done in twenty seventeen. And interestingly enough, did you remember

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when there was this like WhatsApp message
between Hunter Biden and this Chinese chairman of

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a company and he's and he sounds
like whatever the mob in Delaware sounds like,

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you know, not quite New Jersey
mob, but very similar to it,

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where he's like, hey, buddy, I'm sitting here right next to

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my father, and we want to
know where the money is and we have

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been very helpful to you. Nobody
is better for you people than the Biden

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family. And then a few days
later or maybe even like the next day,

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they get the five million dollar transferred
in or yeah, I think that's

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right. And then and then like
within a few weeks we've got the money

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going straight to Joe Biden. So
I think maybe Joe Biden saying where's the

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money reminds me of when Senator Gary
Hart was like, follow me if you

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think I'm cheating on my wife,
and then the media did and he was

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in fact cheating on his wife on
the boat the monkey business anyway. Yeah,

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but unless the check says shakedown of
Chai Coom businessman, I don't think

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Philip Bump's going to accept this as
actual evidence. So that's what I actually

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I got joy thinking about Philip Bump. So Philip Bump is this propagandist at

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the Washington Post, someone that,
as we always note, I've been on

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top of him being a bad journalist
for ten years now, but now everybody's

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kind of realizing, oh, this
guy is a really bad propagandist. And

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it was a few months ago that
he was talking to a like a liberal

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like podcast host who was saying,
doesn't this look bad? And Philip Bump

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was like, I see no problem
at all whatsoever, And it's insane to

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think so, so I kind of
got like a pleasing thought of is Philip

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Bump just going to straight up ignore
this, or is he gonna say,

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I don't think there's anything here about
this ten percent from the funds from the

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Chinese company going to the big guy. I don't think there's anything to see

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here. What do you think will
he ignore it or will he explain it

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away? I think he'll explain it
away in a lot of words, like

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a thousand words, will explain why
it doesn't mean anything. You know,

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the no evidence. They're always like, where's the evidence? Now? I

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think that the evidence is piling up
again. I don't even know that this

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can be called circumstantial. Now you're
talking about people who say ten percent,

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you have the ten percent. The
timing lines up. But again, let's

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just take a step back and remember
that Joe Biden said on numerous occasions that

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he hadn't even spoken to anyone about
any of this business, which it's clear

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was a complete lie to the American
people over and over again. Oh,

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he also said there was no money
from China. And here we have not

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just money from China, but money
from China being delivered into Joe Biden's checking

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account. And one thing that was
great about how the House Republicans looked into

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this is they showed that these various
accounts that were being used launder the funds.

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Prior to the funds going in,
they had literally like a buck twenty

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eight in there, or nine dollars
and thirty seven cents. So there's no

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question that this These fess are just
traveling through these different accounts to get to

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Joe Biden, and nothing else was
in there. My favorite defense of Joe

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Biden, and he does it himself, is like they're like, can you

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believe that they think that I would
do something like I'm Joe Biden. I'm

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just Joe Biden, you know,
from Delaware, from Scranton, just this

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honest moderate you know, Senator is
always you know, it took amtrak for

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years. But it is clear that
he is a bad guy. That he

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is He's always been a bad guy, and he is it is completely plausible

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that he is a corrupt guy.
And I see the poll show that most

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people now believe he is somewhat corrupt, And I you know, what do

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you think how much do you think
this is gonna matter in the election?

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By the way, stuff like this, I think it matters a great deal,

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mostly because Joe Biden is using his
Department of Justice to go after his

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primary political opponent, Donald Trump.
So it all just kind of fits together,

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like every time we learned something about
the Biden family, it's not great.

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It's not just Joe. It's his
son, it's his brother, it's

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his daughter, it's his nieces,
like they're all kind of in this grift.

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And also right now he has to
do something like this is the second

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time that money has gone to Joe
Biden that claims to be a loan repayment.

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And there are two issues here.
One, it doesn't matter whether it

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is actually a loan repayment or not. He's benefiting from these Chinese funds.

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You know, he would not have
been repaid even even if say, oh,

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he just loaned his corrupt brother a
huge amount of money and he was

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just getting paid back. Well,
he wouldn't have been paid back if they

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didn't have this Biden family business where
they trade on his name and his position

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or his future positions in order to
get the money. But the other thing

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is if he's getting loan, if
he's giving out loans, I think we

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need to know what those loans were, what they were for, how much

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you know we have now in a
matter of two weeks, two examples of

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payments to Biden that are claimed to
be loan repayments. Are there more?

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How does he get the money to
loan out like hundreds of thousands of dollars

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to his brother? Like, it
just brings up more questions rather than answers,

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and he can't evade them. Well, I guess he can evade them

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because we have a press that has
zero interest in pursuing it, or if

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we do have like a few reporters, we're interested in pursuing it. They're

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also interested in pursuing Oh, I
don't know the other thousand scandals that are

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going on with the Biden administration or
failures on a global scale. So we've

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got like a tiny handful of reporters
to pursue one of the most monumentally horrific

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news cycles we've been in, you
know, in modern history. I think

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if he was, if he could
prove that he I'll play Devil's Advocate with

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you and just say that if he
could prove he was paying, you know,

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these were repayments for real, actual
loans, this plausible deniability for him

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to say, listen, my brother's
in business. I don't know what he

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does. He's just paying me back
or whatever. But he hasn't right,

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correct, he has not actually shown
the loans going the other way yet.

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Correct, Like, there's no we've
gotten I don't think there's any evidence.

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And depending on when the loans were
made, these are things that he would

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have needed to disclose. You know, at various points in his career he

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actually had to disclose things like loan
payments or loan repayments. Now this happened

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in twenty seventeen. He's this particular
distribution from the Chinese government related company to

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his checkbook that happened entirety from like
August eighth, twenty seventeen to September third,

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twenty seventeen, So he wasn't in
office during that time. But there's

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just one example of how the Biden
family works over you know, a one

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month period in twenty seven. But
I'm not wrong in saying that these relationships

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by Hunter and that company company that
shakedown outfit began when he was vice president.

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Didn't Hunter take a bunch of two
trips on Air Force two to China.

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Didn't actually Joe Biden meet with one
of his business partners. I mean,

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it is clear that these are relationships
that were formed while he was vice

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president, and he must have knowingly
he knew that he had met these people,

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So he is knowingly involved in a
relationship like that. David, I

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think we can say that the relationships
certainly took that there were developments in the

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relationship while he was vice president.
I think it's possible that the relationship began

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earlier. We don't totally know.
I mean, it could have happened when

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the Biden family business was trading off
of Joe Biden's role in the Senate instead

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of the vice presidency. You know, all of these other issues that are

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in play, like him wrongly taking
classified information when he was that might have

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been related to the Biden family business. Then, so we know that there

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were these corrupt interactions while he was
vice president, that Joe Biden brought his

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son on these trips, or that
he got involved in Ukraine while his son

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was involved in Ukraine, that he
helped his son's financial interests in Ukraine while

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he was the point meaning we have
all that, but it could have been

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much longer too. The timing always
by happens, complete happenstance always lines up

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perfectly with helping his family make a
ton of money, like the Ukrainian thing,

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which you could maybe say, hey, you know, it could have

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maybe he didn't know. Maybe the
timing is just luck for them. But

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now you have more and more luck, and that it's getting pretty suspicious,

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right, amazing luck that the Biden
family has on how to make money.

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This reminds me of something related which
Elon Musk was on a podcast with Joe

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Rogan this week, and one of
the things he was talking about was how

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Soros is really good at arbitrage and
how he like figured out that if you

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took over district attorneys and made it
so that they didn't prosecute the law,

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you didn't actually have to change the
laws. You just changed the enforcement of

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the law. And this person on
Twitter was pointing out, isn't it interesting

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how we like we all have no
problem understanding what the Soros game plan is

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for prosecutors. For local prosecutors in
the United States, you know, he

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replaced all of them with these radical
left wingers who do not prosecute the laws.

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We all know that. Nobody denies
that. Some people think that's good

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on the left. The rest of
the country is horrified by what's happening with

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the surgeon crime. But when George
Soros with Joe Biden wanted to get rid

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of that prosecutor in Ukraine, Everyone's
like, oh no, he wanted to

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do that for good reasons, Like
that was that was the opposite. He

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actually wanted someone who enforced the law
in Ukraine. He wants people who don't

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enforce the law in the United States, but in this other country he has

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a completely different approach, And it's
just kind of worth pointing it. I

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wish I could remember some of the
specifics of that Ukrainian moment, but one

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of the things that I do remember
is that there were the europe had been

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pushing in the United States for a
bunch of reforms. One of the reforms

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was to get rid of that prosecutor. But there were many others that Biden

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did not seem that interested in,
did not push for with the same you

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know, you know, I don't
know pressure, you know it did not

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apply the same sort of pressure to
get done. That was the one that

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he was very interested in that he
bragged about later, and the timing itself,

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even if he was doing it for
the right reasons, was a massive

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to learn more. So also related
to that, we had a story in

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Time last week which went through how
many major problems there are with the war

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on Ukraine, but the war yet
with prosecuting the war on Ukraine, I

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guess, And one of the main
points that was made was just how corrupt

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the country is. It's just widespread
corruption at every level of the government.

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Zelensky has no control over it,
even like after he tried firing a bunch

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of people who were stealing money,
stealing American tax payer money. And I

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bring it up just to note that
Joe Biden said his signature policy achievement in

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Ukraine was fighting corruption. And the
proof of this is that he fired the

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guy going after his son's company,
and we have one of the most corrupt

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countries on the face of the earth. Like, interesting, are you sure

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it's your signature policy achievement, Joe
Biden, his signature policy achievement is enriching

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his own family. Yes, that's
definitely part of it. It reminds me

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just that since you brought it up
that you know, now Democrats want to

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tie Ukrainian funding to the Israeli funding, like it's exactly the same thing,

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like it's exactly the same war,
that it's exactly all the you know,

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the uses of that money go towards
the same thing. And that's just completely

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not true. Israel, for all
its problems, is not corrupt in that

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way, and Ukraine is, and
to pretend that it isn't is really really

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annoying. Whatever you think about about
that war. So I was on Fox

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News Sunday on Sunday and Mike McCall, the chairman of the House Armed Services

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Committee, was on right before me, and he even he was saying,

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like, we're not voting on these
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the camp that wishes they were voting
on it together, but he understood there's

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just no market for it. You
have with Israel a country that people buy

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and large want to support, even
if they don't want to support it,

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like hugely financially, they would like
it if maybe the US just got out

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of the way and let Israel do
what it needed to do. They certainly

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are not all the American people are
not all in on this Ukraine funding,

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particularly how it's unchecked, unverified,
unaudited, like that's not going over well

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with the American people. But I
was intrigued by this new speaker, Mike

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Johnson, and he was talking about
the bill where they are tying the Israel

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funding to a cut in IRS funding. So in order to help pay for

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the Israel funding, they're cutting some
of what's happened at the IRS. And

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you might remember that Joe Biden had
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add eighty thousand agents or something to
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Well, who you're going to get
a fact check, a pedantic fact

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check about how they're not all technically
agents. Some of them will just work

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in customer service. So maybe twenty
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have over six hundred dollars transactions on
like the PayPal you know, But anyway,

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go on, sorry to interrupt,
right, And Joe Biden said he

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would veto such a bill. He
cares so much about increasing the number of

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personnel to go after Americans or I'm
sorry, to help Americans deal with the

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IRS, that he would put Israel
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It's the kind of thing that when
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they thought, there's no way the
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then they promptly did your janet yelling
out there being like it's actually a matter

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of national security that we take more
of your money unfairly by like beefing up

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the police force at the IRS.
It just was stunning to watch. Yeah,

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I have a couple of things on
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about this IRS funding as if it
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like we could possibly live without it. They haven't even spent the money yet.

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The cuts wouldn't even eat into anything. But they treat every new spending

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bill like it's a sacred baseline that
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allowed to cut a dollar out of
it. Is it's so hilarious. They're

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like, actually, if we get
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You know, the deficit will go
up. We're not offsetting it because

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you know, all the rich people
keep cheating on their taxes. I don't

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want to. I hate break the
breakdown news to people. Rich people get

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accountants who don't cheat on their taxes, Like they make sure they don't want

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to cheat on their taxes. But
I'm not going to get into that.

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The second thing I wanted to talk
about was the Israel Ukraine thing you mentioned

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on funding. There's another difference there. Israel is in a neighborhood by itself

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where people want to destroy it.
They are an ally of the United States.

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Ukraine has the richest countries other than
US in the world. Right behind

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them France, Germany, all these
places that don't really want to help them,

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and we are stuck with helping them. It's a completely different situation.

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We defend all of Europe through NATO. We pay for that. Germany can't

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even meet a three percent threshold to
help pay for it. We protect Turkey,

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we protect you know who's like anti
American, anti Israel all that like,

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it is a completely different situation.
Israel is surrounded. I obviously,

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if you want to cut funding for
other countries and foreign eight them, all

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for it. But let's do it
in tiers of like people who hate America

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first and then work our way down
to the country that is our best ally,

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which in my opinion is Israel.
Okay, I'm just on the Turkey

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thing. They are one of our
longest allies. I know they are very

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troublesome ally, but sometimes that's why
you need to have alliances with people who

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are difficult, because they are key
figures. Like keeping Turkey in the general

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project of civilization is more important than
adding Switzerland to NATO. I think,

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yeah, I'm not I agree,
it's an incredibly important country, but you

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know there are other countries in Europe
and in NATO that need to And you

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know, Donald Trump wasn't the first
president to say pay up like Obama did

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that too. There are other people
who have to step up and help you

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c the first to say it and
actually mean it or put any teeth too.

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Trump Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but yeah, I mean I wrote

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about this in my European book.
I mean they do not, They do

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very They are a lot of their
wealth and success happened under the umbrella afforded

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them by the American taxpayer and our
mill terry. And what do they do

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and show they show you know,
they now they have something happening right there.

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They're all supposedly very upset about it. Putin could march all the way

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to Paris if you want it,
if we don't fight this war or you

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know, proxy war. But yet
they don't. Still don't really step up

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in a way that they should.
That's my point is it's just a separate

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situation. It's a completely different situation. Yeah, but people show you how

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serious they are by their actions.
And so definitely when they're looking for US

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money and US resources, all we
hear is like, if we don't stop

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Putin, who's going to march through
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If you really believe that, and
I'm totally open to you believing that.

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Shouldn't you act like you believe it. Shouldn't you be putting up way

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more of your resources to defend Europe
since you're right there. The fact that

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they don't makes me is like the
number one. It's like when people talk

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about people who talk about global warming
but they're jetting all over the world.

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It's like, I'll take it seriously. When you take it seriously. You

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clearly don't take it seriously. So
doesn't seem like I need to. And

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if you want to have a debate
over that Israel funding in Congress, and

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I think you should have a debate
over that, have the debate about that,

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then have another debate about Ukrainian funding
and tell us why you think that's

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important and how much and where's the
end and why we're doing it. Maybe

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there are very good reasons for it, as you know, I'm in the

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middle of this that somewhere, But
they're separate debates with separate dimensions and separate

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reasons and separate histories, and put
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Apart from the money going to Israel
or potentially going to Israel, I

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have not loved how the US has
talked about the situation in Israel. I

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was thinking about this thing, Dave
ray Boyce said, when Joe Biden came

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out and gave this excellent speech on
Israel, and he sounded all the right

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notes, and immediately reboy was like, I don't like this. I feel

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like this is the kind of speech
you give right before you shive Israel by

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not actually supporting what they need to
do. And it turned out to be

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rather prescient because we're getting all these
reports that the US is interfering heavily in

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how Israel is deciding to prosecute this
situation. So I'm I just kind of

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want to talk about it because you
see a lot of people, including people

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I like and admire, who are
very opposed to the manner in which Israel

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is responding to the October seventh genocide
against against israelis Sorry, I don't like

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the term genocide, but like I
think it's like silly to use it in

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this context, or not silly,
but it's like unseerious way to deal with

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the context. But like there was
a slaughter of how many people, is

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it like fourteen hundred israelis thirty Americans? Yeah, but brutal to attack on

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something these are genocidal people who can't
do what they want, so they kill

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as many as they can. So
I think genocidal is the right word to

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like put in there. But this
was not a genocide. It was just

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a massive slaughter of the clutter of
civilians. Yes, and so is Israel,

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which has always, you know,
it's kind of like gone a little

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bit there, but always has this
feeling like it needs to balance or back

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off. It seems like it's being
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And you have all these people who
are complaining that they are slaughtering innocent

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children in Gaza. And I,
like I mentioned, a lot of these

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people are people I admire and I
even agree with on certain issues, and

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I do also hate to see the
killing of all these Gosins. I feel

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for these people. What I'm confused
by is why this is Israel's problem,

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per se. So Israel says to
the to Gosins, get out of the

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northern part of the Gaza Strip,
and they said that what like three weeks

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ago, Yeah, like a lot
of day too of this whole thing.

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Yeah, yeah, and so and
yeah, we know that Hamas was restricting

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the movement of its people, So
right there and right then and there,

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how come the global cry isn't Hamas
stop keeping your people captive and let them

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go to the southern part of the
Gaza strip that would be a good thing.

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Or how come it's not Hamas.
How about you unconditionally surrender so that

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we don't see the death of these
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There's not that kind of pressure.
The pressure is like Israel, how

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about you do a ceasefire. It's
like, I get the concern for these

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children, women and civilians in Gaza, many of whom of course support Himas,

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but also a significant number who don't. And either way are civilians,

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you know, Like I get the
concern. I just don't get why the

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problem isn't placed on Hamas. It's
like they're the ones who organized the attack.

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They're the ones who say they will
never stop doing this attack. You

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just saw this maybe this week that
a leader of a mass was like,

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we will always do October seventh type
attacks. Well, there's no negotiating with

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people like that. You just have
to get them to surrender or die,

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basically, And why isn't the global
community marching against them? Marching for the

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freeing of two hundred and thirty hostages, children, elderly people. You know,

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like, why is the pressure on
Israel? That's what I don't understand.

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You understand, right, You know
that these people are pro Hamas.

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They think that Hamas is justified in
doing this because they're occupied now the governing

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I spent a week, I've spent
three weeks trying not to lose my you

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know what on all you know on
this issue which is driving me. It's

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making me angry in ways that I
don't like. But it is a moral

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imperative for Israel to remove Hamas from
existence. They are now the governing authority

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of Gaza. Governing authorities in a
civilized world. Their first thing they do

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is protect civilians. They didn't build
any bomb shelters. They build tunnels to

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go into Israel. They get concrete, they use it for terrorist activities.

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They get sewage systems they take get
out of the ground and make missiles with

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it. If Israel allows Hamas to
use human shields to defend themselves, they're

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going to incentivize Hmas to do it
again. They're going to incentivize others to

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do it again. You cannot allow
it. Now, I am just saying

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that. I think Israel goes out
of its way, despite what people believe,

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to try to save civilian lives.
But they cannot handcuff themselves from defending

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their own people in that way.
No country in the history in history,

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no responsible government in history, has
ever allowed that to happen. Proportionality is

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not It does not mean that you
can't that a civilian can't die in a

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war. You know, first of
all, if it was a real proportionality,

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and the way people talk about it
when they like compare numbers and stuff

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like that, I mean Israel would
go in there and start raping and killing

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children and targeting civilians, which they
never do. It's Hamas who uses the

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biggest hospital in Gaza as its headquarters. It's Hamas who purposely uh puts us

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offices in journal you know, in
western gournalists, you know, next to

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Western journalist offices because they think it's
going to protect them. Israel cannot allow

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that to happen. They have a
moral imperative to their own citizens to dismantle

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Hamas. They let them exist for
too long. And you know, it's

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like think about nine to eleven,
I mean Americans, I think, you

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know, they engaged in shock and
awe after right. I mean, I'm

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not saying what we did after nine
to eleven was all right, but the

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idea that after nine to eleven we
wouldn't have gone after al Qaeda is insanity.

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No citizen in America basically other than
maybe Michael Moore or someone like that,

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would have abided by some you know, that sort of policy, and

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Israeli citizens don't have to. Yeah, I think there's confusion about what the

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appropriate amount of response means. It
doesn't mean literally, Okay, they killed

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fourteen hundred women and children, therefore
will kill fourteen hundred Hamas leaders. Which

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first off, right right off the
bat, you have like a disparity there

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in as you know, you know, like one attack civilians or this one

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targets them and one doesn't. Technically, having a proportionate response means you you

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do not do more than you need
to eradicate the threat or to respond to

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the threat. So if that means
that by killing one person you have eradicated

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the threat, that's fine. If
it means you're killing you know that would

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you shouldn't do more because doing more
wouldn't benefit the situation that doesn't that would

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be a proportionate response. If you
have to take out like an organization that

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has tens of thousands of members,
then you do that. So people should

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understand what proportion it means. And
Israel could if it felt like it,

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they could carpet bomb and kill basically
almost everyone in Gozup they felt like it.

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They are sending in troops, putting
themselves in danger, honestly, and

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they're going to lose lives. I
see Israeli soldiers are dying. I mean,

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I think that what held them up
frankly was yes, like you,

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I don't. We haven't gotten into
what I haven't gotten into what you said

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about the Biden Biden administration, which
I quickly want to say, is so

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politically ridiculous. So they pretend they're
all pro Israel, so all they are

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like pro Hamas or I shouldn't say
that, So all they're you know,

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a big chunk of of of Democrats
are now mad at them over that.

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You know, progressives are mad at
them. But on the other hand,

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they're not really pro Israel or helping
Israel. They're inhibiting Israel from doing what

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it needs to do. So they're
you know, there are a lot of

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pro Israel people are mad at them
as well, and have Biden's numbers have

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like crashed after this, even farther
than they have before. Is like the

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least popular president since I don't know
who anyway, I don't even know what

413
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I was talking about. So I
think that Israel's going to do it has

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to do at this this time because
for many reasons, but also because the

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government, by the way, which
is now a left and right when coalition

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government of like every major party in
Israel, they all agree that Hamas has

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to be taken out. So you
know, they're they're they're actually a democracy

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no matter what people some people here
think, and they have to. They're

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going to react to what the people
want, and they're going to react,

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you know, and they're acting in
the way that they should in any responsible

421
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:06,799
you know, country should, if
I can just mention, you know,

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Jack lou was just made ambassador of
our ambassador to Israel, which he was

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00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:17,559
a huge Iran Deal proponent, which
is he is partly responsible for why these

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terrorist proxies have the capability, the
money, the logistical support to do and

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who sent there. He's the one who

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pale when he, you know, when

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he criticized Obama for that deal Jack
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million dollar check from bailout money before
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429
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and stuff like that. But whatever, This is what the administration really thinks

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about Israel. They didn't send someone
there who's going to, you know,

431
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help them. They send someone there
was going to inhibit them from doing what

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The End is only the beginning rated
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noticed all of these stories where people
are talking about the world being on fire,

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as if it's this thing that's happening
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the Biden administration very deliberately chose to
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administrations forign policy. You just mentioned
the Iran Deal. That was something where

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Biden very strongly felt that we needed
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the Obama administration had put us into
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Arabian posture, to give Palestinians that
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for decades that had caused so many
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which was different than what the Trump
administration had done, really ramping up the

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using Ukraine as a proxy in our
disputes with Russia instead of being focused on

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China. And so now we're looking
at all of these things that are breaking

479
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out all over the world, and
people are like, Oh, isn't that

480
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,480
weird that it's all happening. It's
not weird. It's deliberate, and it's

481
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:52,840
the natural result of the Biden administration
foreign policy. But I'm also concerned about

482
00:35:52,840 --> 00:36:00,599
what's happening domestically. It has been
deeply alarming to me to watch some of

483
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:09,280
these attacks verbal verbal or philosophical attacks
on Jews that you're seeing on campuses throughout

484
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:15,840
the country, and this thing in
particular where you have Jewish people putting up

485
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,639
posters sort of in protest of what
Gaza did. They are these missing posters

486
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:25,000
of some of the hostages that have
been taken by Hamas, and then you

487
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:30,840
have jew haters tearing down the posters. And I don't know if it's because

488
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,960
they don't want to deal with the
reality that they support people who kidnap women

489
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,159
and children, who brutally murder women
and children, and so they don't want

490
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:44,440
to be confronted with the reality that
they are supportive of monsters, or if

491
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,440
it's just straight up jew hatred or
whatever. But I've also you have a

492
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,079
lot of these videos going around where
people are showing people tearing down these posters,

493
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,480
and people just videotaping them and saying
stuff like why are you doing this?

494
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:04,920
And one or more robust response to
these people than just asking them why

495
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960
they're doing this? What do you
think? I mean? Did you see

496
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:14,599
that video of the Queen's construction worker
giving a more robust answer. I think

497
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,880
I would love to put you in
a hospital right now. His friends are

498
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,599
like pulling him off. Well,
I love that because it was a robust

499
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,199
defense of freedom of speech. You
know, he said, you are allowed

500
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,119
to say you hate Jews in this
country, but you are not allowed to

501
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:32,039
tear down someone else's speech, which
is exactly right. And that it took

502
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:37,480
a queen's construction worker to say what
we all used to know as our birthright

503
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,840
as American citizens. That makes me
sad too. Why aren't college presidents saying

504
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,320
that. Why aren't Republican leaders saying
that. Why aren't the people on the

505
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:51,239
street saying that when they encounter these
anti Semitic bigots and supporters of Hamas,

506
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,719
Because that dude loves America and college
presidents do not love America. It's that

507
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,239
simple. Let me read you a
line from the New York Times today about

508
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,039
the poster thing. But removing the
posters has quickly emerged as its own form

509
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:08,639
of protest, a release valve and
also a provocation by those anguished by the

510
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:15,199
Israeli government's treatments of Palestinians in the
years before October seventh and since the bombing

511
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,000
of Gaza began. So it's just
a release valve to tear down a picture

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00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,920
of some woman or child who has
been kidnapped. And incidentally, Israel is

513
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,000
not Gaza, it's a free place. Maybe a lot of those hostages were

514
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,239
against the Israeli government's supposed terrible treatment
of Palestinians. We don't even know where

515
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,880
those people stood. And yet you
know, this is the kind of justification

516
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:44,239
and rationalization there is for tearing down
a poster of possibly American citizens who are

517
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:50,320
being held hostages. We don't know
what that number is. It is it

518
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,880
is gross to see, but you
know what, you know, I think

519
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,519
it's anti Semitic probably ninety percent of
the time or whatever most of the time.

520
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:00,440
And you know, I like,
you know, I think these people

521
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:06,440
are moving closer and closer to violence
against Jews. It's not a new thing.

522
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:08,599
It's happening in Europe, and it's
you know, I hope it doesn't

523
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:13,320
happen here, but it is what
it is. And you saw in Harvard,

524
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,679
you know, just even now the
other day, they just surrounded these

525
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:22,400
Jewish kids. They wouldn't let one
of them even move. And you know,

526
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,159
I don't know, I don't really
know what to say about it,

527
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:28,199
but it's a bit it's a bigger
part I believe of the left wing progressive

528
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:35,000
coalition than a lot of people think. I mean, you have these presidents

529
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:38,559
of universities pretending like they didn't see
it coming. Like the Berkeley law dean

530
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:42,840
of law school, I forguys named
Edwin Cherminsky or something like that. But

531
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:49,039
whatever. Last year there were no
jew zones put up by anti Israel protesters,

532
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,239
but he didn't see that as a
warning that there's anti Semitism on campus.

533
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:55,559
So what is that famous? Is
it? Martin Eimul or the you

534
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,199
know, first they came for this
group of people and I did nothing,

535
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:07,639
and now they're coming for me.
It's interesting to see that first these Marxist

536
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:15,199
movements came basically for America and America's
founding. They also created this racist idea

537
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,960
that white people are oppressors and that
non white people are victims, and that

538
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:25,199
ravaged the country in the last five
to ten years. Ravaged, and it

539
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,719
got the support of major corporations and
people like Irwin Tcherminsky and all these people

540
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,840
who are like, yeah, I
like this idea that white people are oppressors

541
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,000
and that if you can have some
kind of identity apart from white, then

542
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:45,119
you're a victim. You had corporations
basically paying reparations in the form of racist

543
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,840
programs or gifts to racist organizations,
or for racist programs at organizations, all

544
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,599
in the name of this BLM movement. And the idea that we didn't see

545
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:59,079
this coming is absurd because there were
quite a few people, very smart people,

546
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:04,519
saying this is horrific and an attack
on this country. And it remains

547
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:09,639
disturbing to me that once it goes
after Jews in particularly horrific fashion, people

548
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:13,760
are like, well, I didn't
see this coming, but you didn't.

549
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,000
Like it really would have been helpful
to have had people being brave enough to

550
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:24,599
stand up against the mobs and hysteria
of the BLM evil people and I'm sorry

551
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:30,320
they're just racist, evil people.
A few years ago. Yeah, just

552
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,400
a quick thing on that. A
lot of times people will tell me like,

553
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,119
you're nuts, you know, or
they'll make fun of like Queers for

554
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:39,920
Palestine, But I think they're missing
the point Queers for Palestine or whatever.

555
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:46,840
These movies movements of like decolonization,
intersectionality, all kinds of identitarian stuff.

556
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:52,719
They're all connected because they're all anti
Western civilization basically, so they are the

557
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,519
same movement. They don't They know
that they can't go to goz in March.

558
00:41:55,679 --> 00:42:00,880
Those are their allies. They don't
care. There the same enemy,

559
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:07,519
which is the Constitution, Christians,
Jews, the Enlightenment basically in my opinion.

560
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,920
And you know, so they're on
the same side, not because they

561
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,159
want to lift together. They're on
the same side because they hate the same

562
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,079
people. And that has always been
the case. Anti zion Is wasn't actually

563
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:22,880
about Zionism at all. When the
Soviets created that idea, it was used

564
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,719
against Jews within the Soviet Union.
The same people like Angela Davis who praised

565
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,800
them are now heroes of those anti
Semites. And you know, I think

566
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,079
that Jews themselves. I hope they
wake up. We talked about this last

567
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,119
week. I'm highly skeptical in the
long run it's going to change mus here

568
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:44,360
in America, but I hope it
does. I hope it does. And

569
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,239
the best way for to start is
by these philanthropists who are Jewish to stop

570
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:53,000
giving money to organizations that want them
dead and hate them, including higher education.

571
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:59,239
Now, good luck stopping it.
After you gave hundreds of I mean

572
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,400
tens of millions of dollars to them. I mean you got to start at

573
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,440
some point out of it might be
too late. Yeah, And every time

574
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,480
something like this happens, you just
it gets worse and worse, you know,

575
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:12,760
more potentially violent, more nasty.
And by the way, in Columbus,

576
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,159
Ohio, I have a picture on
one of my pieces in Columbus,

577
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:19,239
Ohio, there's a big march,
you know, anti Israel, I think,

578
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,199
anti Jewish march. Let's call it
a Paul Palestinian march with the giant

579
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,400
sign that says from the river to
the sea. It's just genocidal slogan,

580
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:30,840
right, So you're talking about people
who hate Jews, and to conflate it

581
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,199
at criticism of Israel and stuff,
it's just dishonest, and people know it.

582
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,480
No one says you can't criticize Israel. Israelis criticize Israel all the time.

583
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,360
But if your whole position is that
the Jews there shouldn't even be allowed

584
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,239
to exist until they're in the sea, well that's a different story. You

585
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,239
know. I tweeted about this,
have been like angry for what is it

586
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,440
that three weeks, four weeks just
constant rage, and I'm like this cannot

587
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:59,360
be healthy for me at all.
You know, I try to watch like

588
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,039
Terrible Tea to take my mind off
a bit, but you know, I

589
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:05,880
mean as an American, it upsets
me. As a Jew, it upsets

590
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,159
me. I think that this could
be a very important pivotal moment in history

591
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,639
actually in many ways, to see
how we come out the other end of

592
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:17,000
this thing. Yeah, so I
agree, and I will say I think

593
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:22,480
a lot of people are having moments
of realization that are important for people to

594
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,639
have, even if I wish they
would have had them a few years ago.

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612
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613
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are other things I kind of wanted
to talk about, but they're very different.

614
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,880
Is it okay too, Yeah,
let's talk about some other authoritarians out

615
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:08,239
there, Okay. So Democrats on
the Judiciary Committee in the Senate have been

616
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:15,960
waging war against the legitimacy of the
Supreme Court. And we know that Democrats

617
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:22,880
claim that attacks on legitimacy of institutions
or attacks on like Congress, that's unacceptable,

618
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:28,079
But they've been running a long term
campaign to undermine the legitimacy of the

619
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:32,000
Supreme Court. You had Chuck Schumer
standing on the steps of the Supreme Court

620
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:38,039
while they were hearing oral arguments on
a case threatening Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.

621
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:44,519
You had a few years later someone
taking him up on that quite literally

622
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,679
with an assassination attempt on Brett Kavanaugh, his wife, and his children.

623
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:57,440
You have had this very well funded, well coordinated campaign to allege that non

624
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:05,440
lefty justices on the Court Court are
unethical, with this Pro Publica funded or

625
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,119
this pro publica journalism. ProPublica is
funded by dark money, meaning we don't

626
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:13,519
know exactly who's behind their attacks on
the legitimacy of the Court or what their

627
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:17,760
financial interests in play are, but
they have been, you know, questioning

628
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:23,000
things that are they'll admit in their
pieces technically there's nothing wrong with what was

629
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,159
done, but we want to make
it seem like something is wrong. These

630
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:34,800
stories have been done in collusion with
the Senate Democrats, who are now subpoena

631
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:42,679
ing three of the friends of Supreme
Court justices to attack them for that friendship

632
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,079
that they have with these justices,
including Leonard Leo, who is the guy

633
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,920
who like is kind of responsible for
building up the Federalist Society into a really

634
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,920
big, powerful organization, not the
guy one of the guys who was and

635
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,079
who's done a lot to improve the
court system. And then also this like

636
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,840
never Trump Republican who oddly enough is
very good friends with Clarence Thomas and clearly

637
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,079
has had zero effect on his jurisprudence. I don't even know if he's never

638
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:15,840
Trump Republican anyway's like a never Trump
bitter clinger, Harlan Crow who they're going

639
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:22,519
after. And then another guy who
was the one who paid for a trip

640
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:29,119
that Samuel Alito took. Again,
nothing is alleged that this was particularly like,

641
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:30,320
no one, no one's saying this
was against the rules of the court

642
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,639
or anything like that. But they're
using these stories to undermine legitimacy. And

643
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:39,119
now they are subpoenating these people who
had previously refused to turn over like sensitive

644
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:45,079
information to their political foes. And
it's to me, it's a really big

645
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,159
ramping up of the war on the
court, and it's you know, people

646
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:55,400
should be aware of it. It's
just a massive abuse of power there is

647
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,480
no illegality. Even if everything they
said was true in all those Pro public

648
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:06,079
stories, there's nothing illegal about it. And to call these people in treat

649
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,760
them like criminals, it's a complete
abuse of powers just to create the perception

650
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,719
that something's wrong. But you know, democrats do this with Liberals do this.

651
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,880
I don't want to call them liberals. Progressives do this with so many

652
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,000
issues. Did you see the story
in NBC News the other day where they

653
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,920
were like they framed something innocuous,
sound terrible. It was about Republicans And

654
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,800
I don't know if you know this
in Virginia, Republicans are getting into these

655
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,119
groups and they're going door by door
knocking on them and saying mean things about

656
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:37,920
Democrats to people who open it,
which they used to just call campaigning,

657
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:43,119
but now there was this like thousand
words story about how weird it was that

658
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:49,880
this was happening. So that's how
they do it. And the truth is

659
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,719
that these we've spoken about these stories, not in one instance as Pro PUBLICA

660
00:49:54,039 --> 00:50:00,280
or whoever's pulling their strings ever come
up with a single case where Thomas Lido

661
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,360
or anyone else has changed or altered
from their long held philosophical beliefs about the

662
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:12,320
Constitution to change and benefit themselves.
Never right. Actually, you're exactly right,

663
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,679
and I'd actually argue that's why the
attacks are happening exactly because they haven't

664
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,159
because they are so reliably consistent in
their jurisprudence. Now, I do think

665
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,480
these attacks are designed more less like
they know they know that Clarence Thomas and

666
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:30,400
Sam Alito are not changing anything about
themselves. They literally accused one of those

667
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,400
men of horrific crimes in order to
keep him off the court. They cannot

668
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,199
tolerate he's a black man and he
doesn't share their left wing politics, and

669
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:44,440
they will never forgive him for that. Right. The thing that they're thinking

670
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,760
is, oh, well, maybe
some of these other justices are more like

671
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,679
a John Roberts who can be pressured
through political campaigns. I bet you know

672
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:57,400
Amy Cony, Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh. They wouldn't want their children to be

673
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,880
considered pariahs, would they. So
we'll go after Alito and Thomas, two

674
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,280
men we know we can't control,
less about going after them, and more

675
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,360
as a warning shot against these other
justices. Yeah, it's really horrible.

676
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,840
They're worse. They are doing more
damage to the Republic and quote unquote democracy

677
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:22,679
than any j January sixth rioter.
They are destroying one of the foundationally important

678
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:27,440
parts of the of the governance of
the United States and independent court. It

679
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,559
is, it is is just a
terrible thing that they're doing. And you

680
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:37,079
know they're not going to stop obviously, you know, unless Republicans take the

681
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:38,719
Senate than perhaps it could be different. But you know, the media helps

682
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,000
some with this stuff. I remember
Political writing a whole story about Leonard Leo

683
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:49,880
talking about the most innocuous, normal
advocacy stuff that that's done all over the

684
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,960
place by everyone, and making it
sound like he was involved in some kind

685
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,559
of like mafia endeavor, you know, like he held Donald Trump name these

686
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,199
you know these judges. Yeah,
they you know, he did, and

687
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:05,559
that was great. But the funny
thing about that was Donald Trump, for

688
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:08,760
the first time any president ever did
this. He literally gave a list of

689
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,360
people he was going to name to
the public before he was elected. There

690
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,199
was no surprise there. It was
not shady, it was not a secret.

691
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,079
The court in fact, was a
big reason. I think a lot

692
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,599
of evangelicals at least voted for him, but others as well. I wrote

693
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:25,760
a book on this. So it
was one out of every four Trump voters

694
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,360
said they voted for him because of
the Supreme Court and how important that was

695
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,920
for them. And also I would
just point out that while Leonard Leo was

696
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:38,079
a key part of the list,
as we tell in the story of Justice

697
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:44,079
on Trial, Don McGann, who
was general counsel for the Trump campaign and

698
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:49,960
is obsessed with a good judiciary,
he was a key figure in that,

699
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,000
and there were a few other key
figures. And so to put it all

700
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,280
on Leonard Leo, who does know
a lot of people and has obviously a

701
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,119
powerful voice in these conversations, is
somewhat absurd. Well, it's kind of

702
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:05,119
like how to go after the NRA, because they don't want to actually go

703
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,480
after the people who own guns and
who make the NRA powerful or I don't

704
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,960
even think they're that powerful, but
to make them, you know, a

705
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:21,440
player, all right, Molly.
Before we get to our cultural section,

706
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:25,079
the cultural segment of our show,
I wanted to just quickly talk about Mitt

707
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:32,000
Romney, who has a new biography
out by written by a guy named I

708
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:37,880
think he's an Atlantic writer named is
McKay Coppins, and he has a lot

709
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,960
of he has a lot, He
has a lot of scores to settle.

710
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,039
I guess in that book is I
haven't read it. So I have read

711
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:51,800
it, and so did my husband, and my husband wrote a hilarious,

712
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:59,960
admittedly long takedown of not the book
so much as Mitt Romney. McKay coppy

713
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,440
is this sort of left wing Mormon
who is thereby allowed to work at the

714
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,639
Atlantic, and he is so obsessed
with Mitt Romney that it almost feels like

715
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:15,880
he's got Daddy issues related to Mitt
Romney. He adores and worships Mitt Romney.

716
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,400
He views everything like that is his
ideal man. And so I'm not

717
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,559
sure I'm dealing with this right now
in a book I'm writing, so like,

718
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,760
it's hard to write a book about
someone you admire and have the emotional

719
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,199
distance that you need to have to
do it. And Mickay Coppins writes a

720
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:39,000
good story and either and despite himself
and despite his love, I think he

721
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:45,800
manages to paint a really awful picture
of Mitt Romney. And my husband pulls

722
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,239
on some of these threads, and
I would highly recommend it, just because

723
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:57,679
Mitt Romney's not a very super interesting
person like McKay coppins will tell stories like

724
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,639
he's alone in his time million dollar
Capitol Hill townhouse that he lives alone in

725
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:07,360
because his wife doesn't want to be
in DC. Don't know why he needs

726
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,159
such a large town townhouse given that
he doesn't have anyone living there. And

727
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:15,559
then he'll like make salmon sandwiches and
he doesn't like the taste of salmon.

728
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:20,880
He got him from I think Lisa
Rakowski or something like that, these filets

729
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,079
of salmon, and so he slathers
them with ketchup and he sits there and

730
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:30,719
watches Ted Lasso reruns on his ninety
eight inch television, and it's sad and

731
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:35,320
so unself aware about who he is. And he seems to be this person

732
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,320
who you know, was born on
third base and very strongly believes that he

733
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:44,719
earned his way to third base and
proceeds to just rip on everyone, including

734
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:50,199
allies, like including Paul Ryan,
who was his running mate, or you

735
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,920
know, just everyone. He thinks
he's better than everyone, and it comes

736
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:58,320
off horribly. So if you don't
want to read the book, and he

737
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,679
probably shouldn't, I would recommend the
article to get a feel for it.

738
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:07,800
And it's very funny, oh for
sure. Pierre de Lecto used to follow

739
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,320
me on Twitter, so consider us
friends, remember that his little Twitter things?

740
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:16,119
Yeah, you know it's funny.
I want to tell you, Yeah,

741
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,440
this one. This one senator told
me that there's this character in thirty

742
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:27,960
Rock who's played by John Hamm.
Do you remember this character? And he's

743
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,960
like really handsome and a complete idiot, but he doesn't know that he's an

744
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,880
idiot because he's so handsome, he
keeps getting men and women saying nice things

745
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,840
to him. And that was all
the senator said, meaning like, we've

746
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,000
got that character in the Senate and
he just like too stupid for words,

747
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,960
but doesn't know it. And then, of course, because he's anti Trump,

748
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,480
when he feels like it, the
media adore him, and so he

749
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:55,159
keeps getting these like accolades. So
long as he's not a threat to Democrats

750
00:56:55,239 --> 00:57:00,280
and he's not right now, then
he gets accolades. I whenever I saw

751
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,519
that character, I thought of John
Harwood, but except that John Harwood's not

752
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:08,239
good looking. Well, but he
looks you know in Diehard, the guy

753
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,679
who says Helsinki, Sweden or whatever. Do you remember that scenes? No,

754
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:20,079
he like interrupts to anyway, forget
that. I thought, mit Romney

755
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,679
would be a good president. Actually, I still believe that. Yeah,

756
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:30,000
I just I wish the presidency was
less ideological and more competent. I think

757
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:31,760
those days are gone. I'm not
going to pretend that you know the way

758
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,960
the executive branch runs. It's just
not that way anymore. But I thought

759
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,599
that he would compared to Obama,
he would have been a great president,

760
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,960
and you know, in that sense. But the more I hear about him

761
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,480
and see how he really is,
did he Did he ever apologize for marching

762
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:50,679
with BLM yet? I wonder,
I don't know, apologize. It's one

763
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:52,880
of his proudest moments. I think, Yeah, I know, you mentioned

764
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:58,159
that he's very, very very proud
of marching with the Marxist BLM writers.

765
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:00,559
He just felt so compelled he had
to put his mask and get down there

766
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:04,639
and help them burn down a church
and attack the White House, and then

767
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:07,400
a few months later claim that attacking
government buildings is the worst thing you can

768
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,880
do in the history of mankind.
The man is the man is okay?

769
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,840
Sorry, yeah, I know,
but listen, I realize now that he

770
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,880
is not a political or a ideological
He is sort of a left winger.

771
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,039
I saw him you know, I
saw him defending I mean, he's like

772
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:25,440
a Democrat from nineteen ninety five,
you know, that's what he is.

773
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:30,440
I saw him protect, you know, defending the irs spending the other day,

774
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:31,320
and you know all he does.
And now that he's going to be

775
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,360
free to speak about this, he's
just going to be a left winger completely.

776
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:39,480
So I do want to say that
when I had written something critical of

777
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:45,840
him, also based on a passage
I read in the book, I get

778
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,639
all these emails from people and they
are so so nice, and I actually

779
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:53,039
like, because I'm a gen xer, I like getting emails that also disagree

780
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:58,960
with me. And this one person
wrote an email where he was very defensive

781
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:01,840
of Mitt Romney, but he he
actually had kind of a good point to

782
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,679
make, and I won't be labor
you know what the particulars were. So

783
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:09,519
I responded to him and we ended
up having like a great conversation and going

784
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:14,000
back and forth. And it turns
out he's an adult convert to Mormonism,

785
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,159
and so he's got a little bit
of a feeling that, you know,

786
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:22,960
Mormons are attacked unfairly. And my
husband is an adult convert from Mormonism to

787
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:28,480
Lutheranism. So we were just kind
of sharing family histories, and it's just

788
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,559
a reminder that there are people in
this world that you can disagree with and

789
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:37,840
still have a perfectly lovely civil conversation. And I wish we had so much

790
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,280
more of that. You know.
I met Romney twice, and one time

791
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,840
I got to sit in on a
meeting with a bunch of people, not

792
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,960
a bunch like May four other people, where he'd spent some time with us.

793
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,960
And I have to say, I
don't think he's dumb, obviously,

794
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,360
and I don't I actually think he
at one point in his life he was

795
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:58,719
a good person I see living and
his wife is just a wonderful person,

796
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:04,480
you know, the two times I
got to be around them. But I

797
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,199
think he's a massive disappointment, you
know, as a political person. So

798
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:14,039
anyway, all right, now that
we've done, we're done with that,

799
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:19,239
let's talk about collet You have you
watched anything interesting, David? Every week

800
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,079
I tell you that I'm busy with
my book and I can't read or watch

801
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,639
other things. So this week I
read another book about music, which I

802
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:29,239
did not enjoy. It's Thurston Moore, who is a sonic youth wrote a

803
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,039
memoir. It's called I Think Sonic
Life or something like that, and it

804
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:38,320
was really disappointing. Gets bogged down
in like his record collection and stuff,

805
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,800
and doesn't really give you much insight
into his life. And maybe there isn't

806
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,480
much insight in his life. Maybe
you didn't do you know, maybe it

807
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:47,880
was not as interesting as I thought. Anyway, I did not enjoy that.

808
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:52,199
Do you want to go back and
forth? Or do you not have

809
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:57,639
stuff? Or I know you're peace
as well. I was traveling last week

810
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:05,480
and I did get I've finished Song
of Solomon and I'm through maybe fifty chapters

811
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:12,559
of Isaiah, and I mean,
I just continue to very much enjoy this

812
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:19,079
journey through scripture and my Lutheran study
Bible that I'm using to do it.

813
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:22,039
It began, well, one thing
that I thought was interesting. I learned

814
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:25,559
about Song of Solomon that it's not
it was used a ton in the early

815
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:30,960
Church. You know, it's considered
you know, so erotic and is this

816
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:36,159
appropriate, but that early Christians certainly
understood how to read it and understand its

817
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:42,079
multiple meanings. And then with Isaiah, Luther had said that there was so

818
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,039
much, you know, prophecy about
Christ in Isaiah, which is just beautiful

819
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:52,079
to read that we should properly call
Isaiah the fifth Gospel. And it has,

820
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:54,920
you know, the different parts to
it's telling us doing different things with

821
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,639
the prophecy. But what a powerful
writer. Just the it's it's been fun.

822
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:07,880
So that's my culture is the Bible. Did you see you did you

823
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:13,400
really just roll your eyes at me, David? Yeah? I shouldn't.

824
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,800
I've been told that I rolled my
eyes a bit too much. Stop doing

825
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,639
that, did you see? Not
not that us do with Solim, book

826
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:25,199
Solomon or anything else, but but
does that have to do with the Old

827
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,760
Old Testament? Did you see Natanya
who mentioned the Amalekite when he was talking

828
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:35,239
about Hamas, which is it's interesting
because the Amalakite did things to Jews and

829
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,320
there's like rape involved in the killing
of children and coming from behind and like

830
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,000
surprise attacking them and stuff like that. So I don't know that people understand

831
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,960
that that that there's actually some thought
put into that that analogy. Yeah,

832
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:52,679
I actually wanted to review exactly what
Danyahu had said because I was just because

833
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:57,159
I'm right there right now reading and
so I wanted to see what he was

834
01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:01,719
thinking about the Book of Isaiah.
So I do have a bunch a few

835
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,039
things. I have like five things. That was one. I have five

836
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:09,480
more. I watched the movie Living
that you suggested. What was that one

837
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:15,280
about the English? Uh? Yes, what did you think? I liked

838
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,199
it very much. It was written
by the guy who wrote Remains of the

839
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:22,440
Day and I can't remember his name, a Japanese writer with British. I

840
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,960
liked it. It was it was
nice right, it felt it was.

841
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,679
It was uplifting. Is it is
she guru? Is? I think so?

842
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:36,800
I think that's right. He wrote. Also, never Let You Down?

843
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:40,480
Was that about the cloned kids?
So I like that. I watched

844
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,119
the final Harry Potter movies and I
have to say that the first half of

845
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:49,800
the series I disliked. The second
half of the series I thought was fantastic.

846
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:55,920
The the the moral clarity of the
fight against evil and good, which

847
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:00,079
is sometimes sort of diffused in movies
you know who's good who's not? You

848
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:05,000
know, was very clear there and
I liked it quite a bit. I

849
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,760
thought the last two movies were great, and Ralph Fines or whatever his name

850
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,360
is, was fantastic. I write
it back, I put, I put

851
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,320
little you know, I talk about
it on Twitter a bit, and there's

852
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,679
so many like passionate reactions to it. People take that series very seriously.

853
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,440
I don't care that much about it, but it was okay. I watched

854
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,239
there's a show called Lessons in Chemistry. Oh what is her name? Oh?

855
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,920
Yeah, what does that show about? So it's about the it was

856
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:40,920
a book and it's about the fifties. There's this woman's scientist and played by

857
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,079
Breed Larson, who I've only seen. I guess there's three episodes or two

858
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:48,079
I forget, but so she's treated, you know, like she can't be

859
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:50,280
smart because she's a woman in all
this. I mean, it's a little

860
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:55,719
bit like I'm sure that this sort
of thing happened, don't deny it,

861
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,599
but it's a little bit like lesson
Lessony, like they're you know, every

862
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:03,239
man is either stupid or like a
jerk, and you know, it just

863
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,559
gets a little bit. It's just
a little simplistic so far from me,

864
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:11,679
but it's well done it. She
does a good job. I would recommend

865
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:15,519
it, I guess. And the
last thing I watch, which I've seen

866
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:18,480
before but I'm a big fan,
is it's called two twenty thousand Days on

867
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:21,800
Earth. It's like a documentary sort
of thing about Nick Cave. Are you

868
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:27,039
a Nick Cave fan at all?
Yep? So Nick Cave is one of

869
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:30,440
these people that I really admire actually, but I don't always love his music

870
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:34,440
very much, so it's weird.
But I saw an interview with him on

871
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:40,480
a podcast called Unheard, which is
a you know, publications pretty interesting in

872
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:45,360
Britain. He is a really interesting
person who has whose disposition is conservative,

873
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,920
thinks about the world in ways that
are interesting, not very tribal at all.

874
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:53,280
Started, you know, he was
like one of the inventors of like

875
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,360
the goth movement with the birthday party
and stuff like that, and then he

876
01:05:56,679 --> 01:06:01,320
but his it's just an interesting guy, very pro free speech, very sort

877
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,239
of liberal in the in the classical
sense of the word, though he has

878
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:09,920
opinions all over the place, defends
Israel sometimes, you know, not not

879
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:15,480
afraid to uh to take stance.
And this was so his son, one

880
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:18,960
of his sons tragically died in an
accident, fell off a cliff, and

881
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:24,199
he he talks about it in these
interviews. And he has a book called

882
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,360
Love, Faith and Carnage where he
talks about God. So what made what

883
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,880
made me think? What made me
want to read this? As he says

884
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:35,679
that he is not you know how
people say they're spiritual but not religious all

885
01:06:35,719 --> 01:06:40,800
the time. It's kind of annoying
trope. He says he's religious but not

886
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,760
spiritual. I say that, yeah, which is which is how I feel

887
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,239
about it. Yeah. So like
he's like, yeah, of course I

888
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,920
love the structure of Christianity. He
goes to church all the time. And

889
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,639
they asked him, do you believe? And he's like, I don't know.

890
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:55,239
He's like, but I love reading
and thinking about Jesus. I love

891
01:06:56,519 --> 01:06:59,960
thinking about scripture. He's you know, so he's just a really interesting guy.

892
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,000
And this is an interesting documentary about
his creative process. And so he

893
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,960
wakes up every day and from nine
to five thirty he writes and works.

894
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,159
He's like, I need structure.
Religion gives me structure. Work gives me

895
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:15,519
structure. Marriage gives me structure.
It's not what you would have thought if

896
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:18,920
you were listening to Nick Cave and
the Birthday Party in the eighties. I

897
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:24,519
can tell you that it is a
real right turn. But a really interesting

898
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:27,960
guy. Anyway. There's three documentaries. There's a documentary after his son died,

899
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,079
which is too it's not the kind
of thing I can really watch,

900
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:35,880
but actually two of his sons died, so he's really gone through a lot.

901
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:42,079
And anyway, that's what I watch. I think it's pretty interesting for

902
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:47,119
fans of his and that's it great. I will say I did start learning

903
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:51,079
how to listen to podcasts on my
phone. Yeah, good, And that

904
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:55,360
has helped me because I do listen
to this one podcast, Issues, et

905
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,519
cetera on my computer, but I
didn't know how to do it on my

906
01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:02,119
phone. Husband is starting to get
really annoyed with me, and I hate

907
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:06,599
I do not want to annoy or
disappoint or anger my husband in any way.

908
01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:11,880
And he I could tell it was
getting bad that my inability to know

909
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,600
how to turn on a television or
listen to podcasts like he's just he has

910
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,920
this like disappointment in me that makes
me feel bad. So I learned how

911
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:25,119
to do podcasts on my phone and
grasps, congrass you. And it's been

912
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:29,039
helpful for learning, you know,
just listening to like some Supreme Court podcasts

913
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,439
or just while I'm working out,
to be able to listen to my issues,

914
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,239
et cetera. There and I would
say. It made me realize,

915
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:38,279
like, oh yeah, because I
always get confused, like so many people

916
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:43,279
listen to this podcast of ours and
prominent people and they'll tell me that they

917
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,479
were listening to it, and I'm
like, this is embarrassing, But now

918
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,239
I kind of get it. It's
fun. Yeah. I don't know how

919
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,159
you deal with that, because whenever
someone comes up to me and says,

920
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:53,840
remember when you said this, and
I'm like, I can't believe. I

921
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,600
forget that people actually read my stuff
or listen to me sometimes and like right

922
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,439
now, you we were just having
a conversation. It was fine, and

923
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,039
I'm reminded that I must have said
a lot of crazy things today and someone's

924
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:08,920
going to know and they're going to
come back at me. I ride my

925
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,119
bike quite often as exercise, you
know. I do like ten miles a

926
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:16,439
pop, and a podcast usually is
the perfect you know, time, you

927
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,319
know, length for me to listen
to when I do that, and I

928
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:24,920
like them a lot because I like
depth to hear people just have in depth

929
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,439
conversations rather than sound bites and stuff
like that. No offense to you know,

930
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,800
to cable news. I think that
plays an important role. Frankly,

931
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,000
but for me longer conversations are more
interesting. So that's why I like podcasts.

932
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:38,319
There was this piece in the Wall
Street Journal on Monday that was about

933
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:43,800
like how awful cable news pundit panels
are and I was like, oh ah

934
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,680
man, and I almost tweeted it
out and I was like, this is

935
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:54,319
this not something I did you?
Did you push control f heming away or

936
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,960
no? But it was kind of
about how you just don't get really substantive

937
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,039
debate about issues that matter, like
it would be fun to have a discussion

938
01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:05,119
about something where it's not red team
and blue team, and people are so

939
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,479
you know, they're just so conditioned
in cable news to be like, is

940
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,600
this a good guy or a bad
guy? Can I trust this person or

941
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,880
not? And I understand. I
totally understand why that is, and I

942
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,479
understand how important it is to actually
care about your team and advocate for them.

943
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,880
And I find it annoying when people
are like, oh, I'm above

944
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,920
it all. I'm not. I'm
not tribal. I only care about like

945
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:33,680
my personal image. Like I don't
like that either, But I really wish

946
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,800
we had some more substantive debate,
and I wish there was a hunger for

947
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:43,000
that. It's difficult. The feedback
loop. It's you know, it's difficult

948
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,039
to I think each side and notice
it on Twitter and elsewhere. It's just

949
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:49,359
you know, it's just the feedback
loop, and it's not good. But

950
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:54,760
I have to say, in some
sense, we like Democrats like they think

951
01:10:55,039 --> 01:11:00,640
you're or I am just a racist, you know, misogynist democracy. So

952
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,720
for them, there's not anything to
debate anymore, you know what I mean.

953
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,279
It's just a bunch of that homine
hominems and smears I've noticed. So

954
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,800
sorry to go back to politics,
but you know how for the last few

955
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:15,960
years, we were told that it's
okay to punch Republican voters because they're Nazis,

956
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:18,720
and it's okay to get up in
their face at restaurants because they're Nazis,

957
01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:24,359
and if you support like free markets
and limited government, then you should

958
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:27,760
be punched in the face because you're
a Nazi. And right now we have

959
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:34,039
the same people who were saying that
out there literally advocating for hamas and killing

960
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:40,319
of Jews, and they're not getting
punched. I'm just saying all of a

961
01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:43,920
sudden, like also, cancer culture
is a terrible thing that we shouldn't you

962
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,720
know, Listen, I have to
say something about this. There's a difference

963
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:54,359
between going after some random person who
wore a Maga hat somewhere and pointing out

964
01:11:55,239 --> 01:12:03,239
that someone signed an open petition,
a public petition celebrating people who killed pregnant

965
01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:08,279
women open and took out their babies. Like, there's a difference there,

966
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,319
and the idea that you should be
under some you know, you have some

967
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:16,399
responsibility to hire someone who's twined in
law school in Harvard law school knows the

968
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:21,239
world that you have to now hire
that person after this, like a Jewish

969
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:27,199
law firm for instance. That is
insane, although I will say I think

970
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:30,760
there is some truth here that the
issue is not cancel culture or not cancel

971
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,479
culture, but believing what is right. And I am reminded of a piece

972
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:41,439
I wrote ten years ago or so
when brendan Ike was being canceled for giving

973
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,920
money to retain a definition of marriage
that is based on the capacity of men

974
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,960
and women to create babies. And
he was canceled and a lot of people

975
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:54,680
were like, you shouldn't do that. He has the right to be wrong,

976
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,840
and I wrote a piece that was
like, yeah, he also has

977
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,439
the right to be right, and
he's right, and this is why it's

978
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,760
right, and this is why it
matters. And arguing on the grounds of

979
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:09,039
like religious liberty or not being canceled
or freedom of speech, that's actually weaker

980
01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:13,239
ground than just arguing for the thing
that's right. Like your point here is

981
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,640
they support a terrorist organization that is
killing babies and women. That's wrong.

982
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:21,960
So the canceling is like sort of
secondary to just we can't have this.

983
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,439
We can't have like a civilized world
with people who support this, And so

984
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,359
I would encourage people who have the
right ideas about things and who are moral

985
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:36,279
to not just retreat to this weakness
of speech or cancel culture, religious liberty's

986
01:13:36,399 --> 01:13:40,760
those are important things, but they
only hold together if we all, generally

987
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:45,319
speaking, have the right views on
whether it's okay to behead children. I

988
01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:48,439
totally agree with that. I've argued
for a lot. I'm not a big

989
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:54,880
I've never argued that people need to
hire or associate with people who disagree with

990
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,399
them. But I think it is
fair to argue and say that there's a

991
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:04,000
difference between disagreeing someone on tax policy
and disagreeing with someone who wants you dead,

992
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,720
Like you know, what I'm saying, there's a substantive difference. Now.

993
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,119
I think it's bad generally to go
out and fire people who you disagree

994
01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:15,439
with, or not hire people because
you're some kind of political disagreement. That's

995
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,920
bad for civil society. We don't
need that. But it is good and

996
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:27,119
a moral imperative for civil society to
shame and people who are pro actual who

997
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:30,279
are actual real life Nazis, or
basically agree with them. I think that

998
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:33,199
that's a there's a moral difference there, and I'm glad you made that point.

999
01:14:33,319 --> 01:14:35,760
I've never been one of these people
who thinks that anyone should have to

1000
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:40,159
hire someone they disagree with, you
know what I mean, Like, you

1001
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:43,159
don't have to or say things they
don't believe. You don't have to associate

1002
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:48,359
with people. I don't associate with
anyone except you on a weekly basis.

1003
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,840
And we'll be back next week.
Until then, the lovers are freedom and

1004
01:14:51,840 --> 01:15:01,960
anxious for the fray. Just then
go across the trail.