WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:07.040 Initially sequencing now coming to you live from Houston, Texas, home to the 2 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:21.160 world's largest medical center. Is everything looking really? This is your Health First, 3 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:26.399 the most beneficial health program on radio with doctor Joe Gillotti. During the 4 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:30.359 next hour, you'll learn about health, wellness and the prevention of disease. 5 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:48.200 Now here's your host, doctor Joe Gillotti. Well, I have just one 6 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:59.479 question for you all tonight isn't hot enough for you? 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Have you really 16 00:01:55.359 --> 00:02:00.079 really understand how the body works, what makes it's sick, how do you 17 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:06.840 fix it, But most importantly, how do you prevent things from happening. 18 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:12.919 It's that preventive maintenance. But it all starts with knowledge. Let's face it, 19 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.840 you have to know how the human body works, and that's what we 20 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:23.879 talk about. Our website doctor Joe Glotti dot com Doctor Joe Glotti dot com, 21 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:28.039 you can sign or for our weekly newsletter which comes out every Saturday morning. 22 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:35.319 All of our social media is posted there and available YouTube. We have 23 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.560 a new YouTube video from a week or so ago that you can take a 24 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:44.520 look at, and it is all there. Sign or for our newsletter, 25 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:46.800 which is most important, and get a copy of my book Eating Yourself Sick 26 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:53.879 Now. On the program tonight, Kathy from chapter two is going to be 27 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:58.280 on the radio with me in a few minutes. Kathy Fenelon. She and 28 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:02.639 her husband and her four kids have been neighbors of hours for nearly thirty years, 29 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:07.879 and we are going to be talking about hiking now. I had been 30 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:12.680 on vacation last week. We went to a wedding. It was actually Kathy 31 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:17.919 and Chris's daughter's wedding in the Seattle area. And if you're familiar with geography. 32 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:25.479 A couple of great national parks, mount Rainier National Park and Olympic National 33 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:32.280 Park are in the area, and my wife and I and some other neighbors 34 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:38.479 part of our hiking and camping clan. We're all at the wedding. We 35 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:45.479 spent the week hiking in Olympic National Park. So I have said many many 36 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:53.800 times that hiking first and foremost is a great form of exercise. But like 37 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:59.759 anything you do from a physical stampede. You cannot jump in a pool and 38 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.000 think that you're going to swim a mile. You'll probably drown. You cannot 39 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:13.280 participate in an MS one fifty if you haven't been on a bicycle since you 40 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:18.639 had training wheels on it. And ditto for any other physical activity. All 41 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:26.279 right, you can't think that you're going to start dancing if you're out of 42 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:31.800 shape, or any other type of organized activity. But we have been doing 43 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:38.439 it a long time, and I have always looked at hiking in the great 44 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:43.480 outdoors as a great metaphor for life. There are hills to get over, 45 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:48.360 obstacles and clement weather, ruts in the road, twists and turns, cliffs, 46 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:53.279 and so that's one of the things. I've always looked at it from 47 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:59.120 a mental standpoint. But we had a great time out in Olympic. The 48 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:05.519 weather was good, not great. We had a lot of rain and precipitation 49 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:12.040 and overcast. But that is the Pacific Northwest, it is the Cascade Mountain 50 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.399 Range. You expect it. We didn't stop. We went out there. 51 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.519 We did our thing, rain or shine, whatever the situation. It was 52 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:25.639 us against nature. We had a wonderful time with our friends out there. 53 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:31.519 But I want to bring on Kathy because she is an avid hiker. She 54 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:39.959 has been hiking with her family and her four children for as long as I've 55 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:46.639 known them. And there are some great lessons to learn here on hiking. 56 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:51.680 And how do you get started that The one thing I do not want any 57 00:05:51.720 --> 00:06:00.680 of you to feel is frightened away or scared or intimidated with hiking. Uh, 58 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:09.240 you start off small, start walking in neighborhood parks, area county parks, 59 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.639 state parks, and work your way up. Do not be full. 60 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:18.199 There are state parks even here in Texas that are as difficult and challenging as 61 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:23.519 national parks that I've been at. So don't look at oh, we're going 62 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:27.199 to a state park as some sort of a real, you know, sort 63 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:32.600 of a weenie move on your part, you can get some challenging outdoor experiences. 64 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:35.920 And let me say this, and hopefully we'll bring this up in the 65 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:44.360 conversation. There are lots of resources and most importantly, lots of people others 66 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:51.079 that will show you the ropes in how you start to get hiking. That 67 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:56.240 is that that should not be a challenge. All right, we're gonna take 68 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.480 a break. Kathy Fenelon is coming up in just a minute. We're going 69 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:05.879 to be talking about hiking. So everybody get in the mindset, think of 70 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:11.279 the Grand Canyon, put on your hiking boots. We'll be starting in a 71 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.759 minute. Stay tuned, don't forget doctor Joeglotti dot com. Be back in 72 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.199 the min out. I sure hope you are all listening to your health first, 73 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:23.600 and don't forget. If you are traveling or on the road, or 74 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:29.240 you have a relative anywhere in the United States, the free iHeartRadio app will 75 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:36.000 have you tune into the program. I think that's pretty pretty cool that we're 76 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:41.079 able to do that. And as I was saying, don't forget, doctor 77 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:46.439 Joeglotti dot com is our website, and as I was saying earlier in the 78 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.759 program, I just came back from a trip to the Pacific Northwest. We 79 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:57.120 went hiking at Olympic National Park. And if there's one topic I love to 80 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:01.439 talk about personally as well as sharing the experience, is hiking. And on 81 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:07.959 the line is a dear friend, a neighbor, and I would say regular 82 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.120 contributor to all that we do. Kathy Fenelon, Kathy, welcome to the 83 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.439 program. I think this is the first time you've been on the radio with 84 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.519 me. I believe you're correct. I'm happy to be here, Joe. 85 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:26.240 All right, So hiking. You know, the way I always talk about 86 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:31.159 it to friends and colleagues and certainly to my patients is that this is one 87 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:37.519 of many forms of exercise you just really can't get away from it. The 88 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:43.279 way I describe hiking is walking on an uneven surface, and that that really 89 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:48.480 is the most simple way to look at it. But I look at it 90 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:54.200 as a great activity for a couple or groups of people. It is a 91 00:08:54.279 --> 00:09:01.080 form of exercise, and it's a way to really see the great outdoors and 92 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:09.879 the positive emotional things it does for your your human psyche. So you and 93 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:16.399 your family have been hikers pretty much as long as I've I've known you coming 94 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.480 on thirty years. So why why don't you give your no pun intended, 95 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:28.440 thirty thousand foot view of hiking in general to everybody tonight on the radio. 96 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:35.320 Okay, Well, I think of hiking not as exercise but as free exercise. 97 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:43.919 Right. You're getting the benefit of working your body while not even realizing 98 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:48.440 you're doing it, because you're enjoying yourself so much. Right. We almost 99 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.039 every one of our vacations is a hiking vacation, whether it be in a 100 00:09:52.159 --> 00:10:01.480 national park, whether it is in a state park. Different. Everywhere we 101 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:07.720 go, we hike, and hiking can be you know, walking through the 102 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.320 London streets. Right. But I think what you're really referring to, Joe 103 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:16.879 is hiking on the trails, being nature. And to me, what you 104 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.399 mentioned before about the mind body connection is so true. There is nothing that 105 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:28.720 colmes your mind and therefore your body like being in nature. Right. And 106 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:35.799 you know, yeah, you know, so much is written about the stress. 107 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:43.039 We're over it now. I am sure that everybody listening tonight may themselves 108 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.360 say I am stressed out. I talk to my patients, they have a 109 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:52.240 family, they have a job, they're they're living okay, but they will 110 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:58.039 all sneak into the conversation. But I am stressed out. I would think 111 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:05.519 a non pharmacologic intervention is to get outdoors. What do you think of that? 112 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.639 Absolutely, I absolutely agree. I have to tell you many many years 113 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.200 ago, when I had four young children, I said to my ob Gyn 114 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.480 went for my check up, and I said, oh, I'm so stressed, 115 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:22.840 and he immediately wanted to prescribe medicine. Yes, what I wanted him 116 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:28.399 to say was you need to take time for yourself and go to the gym, 117 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.399 go to yoga, class walk, and that's how I solved the stress. 118 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.519 Of course, the stress when you're working and have children never goes away, 119 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:43.240 right, but it certainly helps you manage it to conduct yourself as you 120 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.480 should. Yeah, I'm doing it at the same time. Yeah, it's 121 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:52.000 an outlet. You have to have this outlet of energy and emotion, and 122 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:58.720 there's something incredibly calming when you're outside. You hear nature. And I would 123 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:01.240 almost say, Kathy, and I'd like to hear your thought on it. 124 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:07.039 A lot of people, they spent their entire life in a inner city environment. 125 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.919 They may have been born and bred in Houston or Dallas or New York 126 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.559 City, and they may look at you and say, oh, come on, 127 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.840 I'm not into that, you know, fu foo hiking getting out in 128 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:24.279 the woods. What what do you say to them? Well, anywhere you 129 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.559 are, you can find a hike, even in Houston. You know, 130 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.519 you'd just go online or you go to a place like RII or contact a 131 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.720 local hiking club. Yes there was one. There is a local Buy You 132 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:45.919 Outdoors I believe it's called a group that plans outdoor activities for everyone, all 133 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:50.360 ages. So wherever you are, you can find an outdoor activity. Yeah. 134 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.679 And it's it's almost as if once you get the taste of this of 135 00:12:54.759 --> 00:13:00.320 the outdoors, and sometimes you might be hiking in a desert or more lat 136 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:05.799 terrain. Others it's more rugged rugged. That's my New York and me rugged 137 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:11.600 rugged. Come on, I'll get this straight. Keaddy a more rugged area 138 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:15.799 that is a little bit more challenging, or something in between that's coastal. 139 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:22.039 Each one of these is absolutely gorgeous. Yes, yeah, and it is 140 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:28.360 a wonderful way to discover our country. I had I actually had not been 141 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:33.639 to a national park until I was in my forties, right, unbelievably gorgeous, 142 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:39.120 beautiful, and they're just out there for the taking. It is true. 143 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.799 And you know, the funny thing is sometimes I'll tell people, oh, 144 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.840 we're going into a desert, and they will say, the desert, 145 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:50.360 there's no plants, it's dry, it's a dust bowl. But I but 146 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:58.080 I tell everybody, you find beauty. And I think also besides the the 147 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:03.159 the exercise part, which which will get into, it's just being able to 148 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.080 see beauty, natural beauty wherever you are. You may not love living in 149 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.399 desert, you may not pick up and move to Flagstaff or whatever, but 150 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:18.399 seeing it and appreciating it and learning about the local environment, the animals, 151 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.600 the plants, the weather, it's it's fascinating. Absolutely. It's funny that 152 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.120 you mentioned desert because the first time we went to a desert was out in 153 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:30.919 New Mexico. Yeah, and I thought the same thing. This is I 154 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.600 was used to trees and mountains. This is not pretty. And little by 155 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:41.320 little I started to realize this is gorgeous. And we went back many times, 156 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:43.679 not just the Santa Fe but to other deserts as well. Yeah. 157 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:48.480 So, yeah, you do you find the beauty when you really take the 158 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.519 time and look, and that's the key is taking the time, yes to 159 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:54.519 do so. Yeah. Now, of course, in the spirit that this 160 00:14:54.720 --> 00:15:01.440 is a health and wellness program. We are not travel agents here. But 161 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:03.879 no, no, you're right. I mean, that's that's the beauty of 162 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:09.639 this. We could go anywhere with this, but getting down to the health 163 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:16.240 and wellness part of it. I break down the hiking part of this. 164 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.360 And for everybody listening, hiking may not be your thing, and that's totally 165 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.840 okay. You may like to cycle, you may like to bird watch, 166 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:31.240 you may like to uh do more of the water sports. That's okay, 167 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.799 But for now we're talking about hiking. I look at it, Kathy, 168 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:43.440 as three distinct phases. The young families or the young groups that have younger 169 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:48.799 children. Then you have the the sort of that middle ground where you have 170 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:56.639 your you've you've almost trained your children and other family members to sort of go 171 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:02.799 off on their own with their friends. And then lastly, where we're sort 172 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:07.399 of at you're in your fifties, sixties or seventies or even beyond, and 173 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:17.639 you're looking at hiking and walking outside as a form of exercise, or you 174 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:22.960 are training outside, you're doing weightlifting, you're doing walking, cycling in order 175 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:30.440 to prepare for that outdoor hiking activity and a sense of reward that you get 176 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.120 when you're able to accomplish a one, two, three, four five mile 177 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:41.000 hike on and uneven terrain. It takes a lot of integrity, strength of 178 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.720 your muscles, and balance to get through that. But what would you say 179 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.840 starting off hiking with children? Well, first of all, I did want 180 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:53.759 to say because I didn't start hiking. I didn't start probably to work my 181 00:16:53.879 --> 00:17:00.480 thirties, and the lingo was always a little mysterious to me. Railhead, 182 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:07.519 hydration system, right, you know, navigation, there is nothing mysterious to 183 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.960 it. The trailhead is just the beginning of a trail, right, and 184 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:15.920 they're all marked on anywhere you go you find it. Hydration system is just 185 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:22.599 a water bottle, right, and healthy snacks. With that healthy snacks comment, 186 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:23.920 Kathy, we're gonna hold you for a second. We're gonna take a 187 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:30.279 break news, traffic and weather is coming up. We're gonna be talking more 188 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.960 about hiking, sort of getting into taking your kids on the trail. But 189 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:37.680 stay tuned. I'm doctor Joe Glotti. This is your health first. Don't 190 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.599 forget doctor Joe Glotti dot com. Stay tuned, we'll right back. Welcome 191 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:47.880 back, everybody, Doctor Joe Glotti your health First, every Sunday between seven 192 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:52.160 and eight pm, broadcasting coast to coast on the free iHeart Radio app, 193 00:17:55.240 --> 00:18:02.200 as well as our home station seven forty ktr H here in the great hot, 194 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:07.720 hot city of Houston, Texas. Don't forget sign up for our newsletter. 195 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:14.079 All of our social media is available on doctor Joe Glati dot com. 196 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.079 And if you're just tuning in now, we've been talking about hiking. I 197 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:23.039 was out in the Pacific Northwest last week. And for those that know me, 198 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.759 you know that not only I show you a lot of pictures of where 199 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.960 I have hiked over the years, but share the experience and the stories. 200 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:37.279 And on the program to nice Kathy Fenelon and neighbor, a friend, a 201 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:42.079 fellow hiker, her family, and my family and many families in the neighborhood. 202 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:48.640 We have all been hiking for nearly thirty years. And the importance of 203 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:53.119 having your children get out there. And that's where we left off. Kathy, 204 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:59.559 right before the break, tell me your sense on hiking with children. 205 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:06.319 I think getting kids outside is one of the most valuable things you can do 206 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:10.960 for them right. And hiking can be a little tricky because if you think, 207 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:15.200 well, does a five year olds really want to walk five miles down 208 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.200 a trail and look at trees? Probably not. So you have to make 209 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:22.759 it really fun for them and realize that when you're dealing with children, the 210 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:26.720 goal is not to get to the end of the trail. The goal is 211 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:33.279 to want them to go on a hike again, get them back right, 212 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.240 and that you have to make it fun. You have to be flexible. 213 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:41.359 If you get to a a waterfall, say a quarter of a mile down 214 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:44.480 the trail, and they want to stop and play for half an hour under 215 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:47.920 the waterfall, well then let them do that because that would be their memory 216 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:53.319 of how wonderful this hike was. Right, So you know, you let 217 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.559 them set the pace. Maybe as they get a little bit older, let 218 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.400 them pick the trail, which is always exciting. Right, And before you 219 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.839 know it, he'll be well ahead of you on that trail and you'll say, 220 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:08.119 you know, please keep us within sight, yes a little while, 221 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:14.240 and right, yeah, and and and and I consider myself and my family 222 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:19.519 very fortunate that you and your family and so many other families that we were 223 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:26.160 friends with and still are friends with. We had this uh this you know 224 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:33.519 camping uh co op in a sense, and where we would all go out 225 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:37.440 together, and those are some of the greatest memories that I have and and 226 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:42.519 our children have together. So there again, it's it's it's the exercise. 227 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:48.039 It is the personal achievement that you could say you made it to the end, 228 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:55.119 but it's the bonding and the emotion that is so important for everybody at 229 00:20:55.160 --> 00:21:00.279 every age. Absolutely, And you know you mentioned our camping group, which 230 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:07.039 has probably one of the best memories from our kids growing up together. And 231 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.599 it's okay to let kids rough it a little bit and maybe you know, 232 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.559 you forget the peanut butter. Well, there's going to be a friend who 233 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.440 has a little peanut butter. If you the peanut butter, you know someone 234 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:22.279 is going to fall and skin their knee, and that's okay. They just 235 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:27.000 they still all talk about it, just in wonderment. And I'm sure a 236 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:30.640 matter of fact, I know my oldest son and two of his three kids, 237 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:37.920 he's gone camping with two other families out in North Carolina. So it 238 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:45.119 does it's you're teaching them how to be outside with other people and just enjoy 239 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.440 themselves. Yeah, you know, it does take a little bit of effort, 240 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.319 as you recall, but it's well worth it. Yeah, well worth 241 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:59.079 it. I've I've always used the hiking outdoor experience as a as a metaphor 242 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:04.079 for if it is the trail you're on in life is bumpy, it has 243 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:07.680 curves, there are rocks in the middle that you have to get over, 244 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.160 there's inclement weather. You have to bond together, you have to work together 245 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:18.759 on a common goal, which is just to hike ten, fifteen, twenty 246 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:22.400 minutes down the trail or you know, several days on a trail. But 247 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:29.960 I jotted down while we were chatting here the benefits of hiking, and again 248 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:37.240 you could you could substitute cycling, swimming, kayaking, etc. But it 249 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.519 is you're off the grid, you learn about nature. It's challenging, self 250 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:47.839 reliance, togetherness, communication, bonding, community, you relax and the wonder 251 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:52.960 of nature. What would you add to that, you think, Oh, 252 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:59.319 well, I would add cooking around the campfire and enjoying meals together. You 253 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:06.039 know, that's one of your absolutely and you're with your family, but then 254 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:12.640 you're also with some of your dear friends sharing food, going you know, 255 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:17.920 taking flashlights at night and going a little bit down the trail and you know, 256 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:22.039 maybe we're all a little afraid, but but it's great, it's fun, 257 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:27.920 and you know, you're getting your children to understand that it's important to 258 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:32.680 be fit enough that they can make it down the trail, and that they 259 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:37.279 are confidous enough that they can, you know, with supervision of course, 260 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:41.480 get in the river and float down a bit and have another adult catch them 261 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:47.119 at the end. Because all those things they will be doing when you're not 262 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.880 there, and it's better to teach them those skills when they're young, and 263 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.720 teach them how to do all these things safely, right, And it's survival 264 00:23:53.759 --> 00:24:00.200 skills. And again the you know, survive on the trails, survive at 265 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:04.519 work, survive in your family, whatever, whatever the world throws at you. 266 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:10.799 I would say you could trace it back to a lesson you learned camping 267 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:17.119 or hiking. That's probably true. I'm sure exceptions to that rule, but 268 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:21.559 I can't think of any now. But yes, because if you are in 269 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:26.640 a cooperative group doing something challenging and you are confident that you can do it, 270 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:33.839 that applies to everything right right now. Truly, a day in the 271 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:40.119 news does not go by regarding the health and wellness of baby boomers. And 272 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:45.200 so these are people that were born between nineteen forty five and nineteen sixty five, 273 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:52.160 and many of our listeners fit into the baby boomer category and the status 274 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:59.680 of their health. And as I always like to say and remind everybody, 275 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:07.720 you can't wake up one day with a serious medical problem and walk it back. 276 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.480 You're stuck with it. To a certain sense. Yes, you can 277 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:18.839 make modifications on how poorly you do or how well you do with a particular 278 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.279 medical complication that you develop. But right now, if you're forty five or 279 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:29.400 fifty five, you have to be planning. Can I do something when I'm 280 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:34.359 sixty five or seventy five? And I know that the neighbors that we still 281 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:41.799 hike with, and I'm happy to say that your daughter was married last week. 282 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:47.240 We all went out to Seattle to celebrate, and of course we looked 283 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:51.359 at it and said, hey, Seattle Olympic National Park, Mount Rainier, 284 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.599 it's a stone's throwaway. We're making a vacation out of this. So that 285 00:25:55.720 --> 00:26:04.920 is our mindset. But you have to start thinking and again using the idea 286 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:10.519 are you eating well, are you getting enough sleep. Do you have that 287 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:15.720 integrity to hike down a trail with or without a little bit of an elevation 288 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.359 when you're seventy? And what do you need to do now? So tell 289 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:26.920 me how you and your husband Chris sort of look at you know, the 290 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:33.000 the the good health habits that you have now thinking about trips you take or 291 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.519 places you visit. Well, we are yeah, we are your We love 292 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:44.400 to feel good, right, I mean I say I want to feel one 293 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.720 percent every day, right, and what does it take to get me there? 294 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:53.920 And really what it takes is exercising every day right, eating right, 295 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:03.200 not smoking obviously, drinking moderately and it allows you to enjoy your life as 296 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:08.440 you get older. And I guess your question was planning for the future, 297 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:15.599 right, Well, we look at we're sixty five and sixty seven now and 298 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:19.279 our go to high length now is oh, between six and eight miles right 299 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:25.599 now. About three years ago it was really between eight and twelve miles, 300 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.319 right, you know, when we were looking at what to pick out, 301 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.799 and you know we finally said, just like kids, we want this to 302 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.920 be enjoyable for us, right, and if ten miles is too much and 303 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.000 we don't want to do it anymore. That's not a good thing. So 304 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.200 just adapt and say, okay, you know what, five miles is a 305 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:47.680 great hike. We're out there, we're seeing beauty. We are you know, 306 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:52.200 always a big part of our hike is a delicious lunch. We're enjoying 307 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.640 lunch together, sitting by you know, looking at a mountain or sitting by 308 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.599 a stream. Right, And we realize that as you get older you do 309 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:06.440 have to adapt a little bit, but it all plays into wanting to feel 310 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:11.599 good every single day when you wake up right now, you can't imagine not 311 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:17.119 yet, No, you're true. And as as as I learn from my 312 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:22.519 patients and I talk to you know, either on the radio or we're talk 313 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.039 in public or our newsletter, you know, when I talk to patients, 314 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.599 they tell me they don't feel good. And the norm at fifty years old 315 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:37.279 should not be to feel like you're ninety years old. And so we have 316 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.279 to get that out of people's minds that when you're fifty or sixty or seventy, 317 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.799 you create these limitations and it's like a self fulfilling prophecy. Yep, 318 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:51.559 I can't go upstairs. Instead of sort of the approach you take and I 319 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.920 try to take all the time. Is that? What do I need to 320 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.880 do? How do I need to eat? How do I need to rest? 321 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:02.119 How do I need to exercise to make make sure I can achieve? 322 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:07.680 And again in this particular discussion, it's hiking. But how could you, 323 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.359 you know, ride ten or fifteen miles on a trail on a bike or 324 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.759 canoe or do anything else? What's your what's your tape? There? Right? 325 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.039 Well? And when I said that we need to adapt as we get 326 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.559 older, I do mean that, But that doesn't mean that we can't do 327 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.279 everything. We can still do everything, we just have to figure out how 328 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.759 to do it. One example, I'll use my husband as a shuffle when 329 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:36.160 I noticed when he got out of bed he was kind of shuffling, and 330 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:41.799 I said, what what are you shuffling? And you know, Joe, 331 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:47.880 that I am a students of yoga. I love yoga, and I suggest 332 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:52.000 that he start yoga and he did and after you know, a couple of 333 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.519 months, no more shuffling. Yes, And I think that you owe it 334 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.960 to your spouse to call them on things like you are not that old and 335 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.960 we are going to keep on doing these things. So whatever it is you 336 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:10.200 need to do, whether it be you know, I don't know, go 337 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:15.480 to an exercise class or walk around the block fifteen times, whatever it is 338 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.759 you should do that, do it for me because I want to keep going 339 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.240 to Yeah. Well, I think the name of the game here is accountability, 340 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.880 and you have to create that sense of accountability with a spouse, your 341 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:33.200 children, your best friend to encourage you to keep exercising, regardless of the 342 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.759 age. Regardless of the age. All right, Kathy, We're gonna stick 343 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:41.319 on for one more segment. We're going to take another quick break and wind 344 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.880 up this whole discussion of hiking. Hope all of you are becoming motivated or 345 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:51.359 thinking. Hopefully we'll get to some ideas at the end on how to start 346 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:55.400 this journey of hiking. All right, Doctor Joe Glati dot com is our 347 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:57.200 website. Stay tuned, We just got a few more minutes. Stay with 348 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:03.119 us. Final segment in for this very hot Sunday evening in Texas of your 349 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.640 health. First, I'm doctor Joe Glotti. Don't forget visit us at doctor 350 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:12.799 Joe Glotti dot com and all the information things we talk about during the week 351 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.599 are all on the website. Our newsletter a copy of my book Eating Yourself 352 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:25.839 Sick is available. Send me a message. That's the easiest thing and the 353 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.240 easiest way to do it. So we have been with Kathy Fenelon, a 354 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:37.000 dear friend and neighbor and fellow hiker, talking about hiking and what we're doing 355 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:44.319 here tonight, as always, is experience sharing. That is what this program 356 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:49.200 is really all about, telling stories that resonate with all of you. You 357 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:56.160 know, I even I even tell patients now that you know the beauty of 358 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.400 hiking, walk in your neighborhood, that that people get. But then I 359 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:05.079 said, look, you want to add a little added challenge to make believe 360 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.559 You've got a couple of leaders of water. You've got some nuts, you've 361 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.960 got some fruit, You've got a turkey sandwich in the back of your bag. 362 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:19.440 Put get a little knapsack. Go to a local sporting good store. 363 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.599 Get a day pack that fits. Stuff it in newspapers, put rocks in 364 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:28.759 it, you know, go and buy a five pound plate or a ten 365 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:35.079 pound weight plate, and just walk around the neighborhood with that knapsack. Get 366 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.720 your legs a little stronger, get a good pair of sneakers or boots, 367 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.640 and do that In training, which is good for your bones, good for 368 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.799 your heart, good for your blood pressure. And then when you decide yes, 369 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:51.839 we're taking a trip to Pennsylvania and we're going to hike in the mountains 370 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.799 there. You got a little training under your belt, right right. And 371 00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:00.200 I'll add to that something that I do. I'm not a big phone person, 372 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.599 but it's important to keep up with your friends and family around the country. 373 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.599 When I'm at walking in the neighborhood, I don't carry a backpack, 374 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.799 but I do carry a little pack with my phone in it, and I 375 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.079 catch up with everyone. And again, free exercise. I'm not sitting on 376 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:20.720 the couch talking to my brother, but I'm out there walking it. Before 377 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.319 you know it, I've covered three miles because he's quite a chatter. Now, 378 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:28.839 now even cooler if you were walking during this interview. How about that, 379 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:34.759 well I'm pacing. Yes, Well that's good. Now to wrap up 380 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:40.839 here, Kathy. For those listening tonight, they may seem a little overwhelmed 381 00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.039 and they're trying and think, you know, I've never hiked, I've been 382 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:49.079 a city kid my whole life, or really not been to a national park. 383 00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:57.039 What would you say the three or four steps would be to sort of 384 00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:02.920 ease into this whole hiking mentality that we both so love. I think the 385 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.839 easiest way to do it, and this isn't available to everyone, but if 386 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:13.119 you have a friend who hikes, ask them to take you one time or 387 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.840 ask or at least ask them to describe it to you and what it is 388 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:21.239 that they actually do, right, because I know, I was kind of 389 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:27.880 intimidated again with the lingo and then once you realize it's not that hard to 390 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:32.440 get into it. You know, you can go to your local ARII or 391 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:40.559 academy and usually they have hiking experts there, So especially at ARII they, 392 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.199 especially if you don't go on a Saturday afternoon, they will spend as much 393 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.880 time as you want with them, educating you right as to where to go 394 00:34:51.119 --> 00:35:00.440 and what you actually need. Go to a state park and go for the 395 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:01.880 day. You don't even have to camp, just go for the day and 396 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.000 walk on the trail. See how you feel. It's easy. It's it's 397 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:12.920 really so easy, and you know, make it easy for yourself. Enjoy 398 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.679 it. Don't push too much, but push enough. You know, maybe 399 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.400 there's a hill there that you can climb, and it's okay to stop halfway 400 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.840 up the hill. You don't have to get up the whole thing and one 401 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.280 try, and that's I think the best way to start. Yeah. Yeah, 402 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.840 And I think that one thing is like so many sports, indoor sports, 403 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:37.199 outdoor sports, people become fanatical about it. And so all you need 404 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:42.239 to do is find one person that you go up to them and say, 405 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:49.000 tell me a little bit about biking, cycling, swimming, hiking. You'll 406 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.639 have a friend forever. Correct, correct, because everyone loves to have a 407 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:57.119 friend with similar interests. Yes, there's nothing better, and you know, 408 00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.079 we've gotten so lucky in that, nothing better than going on a hiking trip 409 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:06.440 with a group of friends. I mean it's just you know, and people 410 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.079 are different abilities and that's okay. It doesn't matter. No one's gonna rush. 411 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.639 You don't have to climb the whole mountain, right, it's you're out 412 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.400 there, you're enjoying yourself, getting some exercise and building those bonds. No, 413 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.679 I know. And as you mentioned, there's so many resources online. 414 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:28.159 ARII co Op. They are coast to coast. The Sierra Club is another 415 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:35.719 national organizations and they have day hikes where they will say a day hike for 416 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:40.039 beginners. All you need is a bottle of water and stick a few kind 417 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.559 bars in your pocket with a pair of sneakers, and you're you're good to 418 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.000 go. And then you could relate to them and say, look, in 419 00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.840 a month, there's another slightly longer trip or a different kind of trip, 420 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:58.719 and you just start getting momentum there. And as you said, state parks 421 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.480 in every state of the nation, no matter where you live, all you 422 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:07.159 have to do is go on Google and say state parks near me, and 423 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:13.679 there'll be more information than you could imagine. So, Kathy, it has 424 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.599 been a pleasure of having you on the radio tonight. It's always great getting 425 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:21.920 with you and Chris and your family and our extended families and hiking. All 426 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.119 right, Kathy, keep hiking, stay healthy, and thanks very much for 427 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.360 coming on tonight. All right, Thanks joh Well, that's it for tonight. 428 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.800 Hopefully we inspired you some. Thanks again to Kathy Fenelon for coming on. 429 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.320 Stay well, everybody, think about hiking. If you have any questions 430 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.800 about hiking, send me a message. That's what we here for. Take 431 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:45.679 care, everybody, be blessed. You've been listening to your Health First with 432 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.519 doctor Joe Glanti. For more information on this program, or the content of 433 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:55.039 this program, Go to your health first dot com