WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:27.280 Welcome back to Raise by Giants Discussion. Welcome everyone in the chat. Good 2 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:31.120 to see you guys and any moderators or channel members out there. We have 3 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:36.520 a great show for everyone here this evening with returning guests Brian Burns from the 4 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.759 Hero Paranormal Podcast. But before I bring him on, a quick reminder that 5 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:44.960 super chat say and superstickers are available in PayPal and buy me a Coffee links 6 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.920 are also in the description and are a great way to help support the show 7 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:54.719 and my work. And also Write Arranger Channel memberships are available and are also 8 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:58.520 a great way to help support the show monthly. 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But before we get into the some of 18 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.680 the current things that are happening. Have you ever heard of the flat Woods 19 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:56.120 Monster? Mm hmm, very interesting case there, and I just recently had 20 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:01.560 heard about it. Whenever I went back to my hometown for the past. 21 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:07.319 You know, my dad we went to this, uh me and my girlfriend 22 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:09.960 we went to this this little shop there, and they had all the uh, 23 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.000 the flat Woods Monster stuff. They had like Mothman stuff and like big 24 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:22.120 Foot stuff. And I got these two magnets of the flat Woods Monster, 25 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.240 and I was like, Wow, this is a really really interesting case. 26 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.360 What do you know about it? You know, I think the craziest thing 27 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:36.080 is basically just the appearance of the thing, right, it looks like it's 28 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:46.159 wearing like this this strange dress kilt thing, and uh, you know, 29 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:51.879 just the experience with the kids and what they for being nineteen fifty two, 30 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:55.360 I think it was, you know, these these kids, you know, 31 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:02.520 I think it was six kids completely you know, see this this non human 32 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:07.879 entity that does not fit in any of the boxes of anything anybody has seen 33 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:12.879 until that point. Oh yeah, show them the pictures are the best. 34 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.680 I mean, it looks like this. I don't know, man, it 35 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:23.039 just it seriously looks like something that you would see in like a really bad 36 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:29.439 science fiction novel. You can make something up worse looking. But it's interesting 37 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:35.120 that the fact that they all collaborate this and you know that the creature dragged 38 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:40.560 like a lizard like hand they said, across the hood of the vehicle. 39 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.080 You know it. It's it's crazy. It's one of my favorites because it's 40 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:52.280 so wild. It is really wild, and I think some people have equated 41 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:54.680 it to be in a large owl, but I don't think in a large 42 00:03:55.039 --> 00:04:00.759 owl. How's a flaming flaming head? Does it? I'm not seen it 43 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:05.360 all with a flaming head. That's what they kind of describe the being. 44 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:12.759 This is like having like a flaming head. That's what the tear drop behind 45 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.879 the face of the creature is is like supposedly like a flame or like it's 46 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:21.720 lit. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's kind of esoteric looking. If it 47 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:28.360 really has like this flame behind its head or or whatever that is, it's 48 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:32.480 it's super reminiscent of like ancient texts or biblical texts. Even you know how 49 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:39.639 they have that aura over the over the different entities, and you know, 50 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:44.600 being West Virginia, you have to wonder even in the fifties, you know, 51 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.000 if there is government stuff, you know, just to the east, 52 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:51.839 so you have to wonder if they were just testing stuff out in the out 53 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:56.800 in the West Virginia countryside. But yeah, the creature, you know, 54 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.959 it seemed to have just this Camara factor about it. You know, lizard 55 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:08.040 like arms that didn't really fit the body, ahead that doesn't fit the body, 56 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:15.319 this this strange kilt dress like thing, almost robotic in nature. It's 57 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.959 crazy. You know, if I was a kid, this this would be 58 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:23.959 horrific. Yeah, and some of the eyewitness accounts said that it would like 59 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:28.959 float, that it was like like hover above the ground at them and like 60 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.879 fly at them. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of like the stuff 61 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:36.240 the villagers in the Alto Nana of Peru experience where it was about a meter 62 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:40.600 off the ground flying around. Kind of looked like the green Goblin. They 63 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:45.319 said. You know about these quote unquote aliens, which may or may not 64 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.920 be we don't know, But yeah, when it comes to this legend, 65 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:55.639 it's it's something that definitely caught a lot of traction because these kids, I 66 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.399 mean, for being kids, they did not back down from the story, 67 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.360 you know, no matter or how much people tried to corner them dissuade them, 68 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:08.360 and it turned into a national sensation I think at the time, you 69 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:14.639 know, and flying saucers were something that you know, unfortunately mistakenly was also 70 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:20.759 grabbing a lot of attention at the time, which was misrepresentation and a misquote 71 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:26.079 from Arnold. You never called the shape of the craft of flying saucer, 72 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:31.720 said that the craft flew like saucers across water. He never said that the 73 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.480 shape of the craft was flying saucers. But that's what all the newspapers printed, 74 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:40.560 and it's probably the biggest misquote of all time. But it's really interesting 75 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:47.879 with West Virginia, like there's so many different cryptids and different creatures like injured 76 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:55.240 coal some people call them injured cold. Either way, you have that one, 77 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.560 you have the moth Man, you have Bigfoot, you have the flat 78 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:04.560 Woods Monster. It seems like for some reason, West Virginia is like a 79 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:14.199 hub for these cryptid like creatures. Yeah, it's really interesting that you bring 80 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:19.560 Indrid into it, because have you have you had a chance to speak with 81 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:26.879 Greenfield, the author of The Secret Cipher of the Euphonats at all. No, 82 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:30.720 but I would like to me too. Yeah, I've really wanted to 83 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:33.639 talk to him because he came out with this like really thin little book which 84 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:42.879 is called The Complete Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts. And among the strange phenomenon 85 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:48.319 within that book is this injured cold character, this guy that keeps popping up 86 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:54.920 right around these times. The guy pops up with the Secret Cipher of the 87 00:07:54.920 --> 00:08:03.120 Euphonauts pops up in West Virginia, has connections to apparently Valiant Thor. I 88 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.360 mean, it just goes on and on. This dude just keeps popping up, 89 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.040 and it kind of reminds me of the smiling man. You know, 90 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:18.399 that creepy myth that is all over you know all social media channels. Now 91 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.439 have you seen this face? And it's a guy that looks like he's out 92 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.360 of his mind with a creepy smile. But this had a lot to do 93 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:30.560 with ufology. Back in the fifties. People would see this creepy guy with 94 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:37.039 a strange smile, and these rumors circulated about the same character injured cold or 95 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.639 injured coal, and you know, it makes you wonder, is it was 96 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:45.080 it just a government spook who got a bad rap, who was trying to 97 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:50.200 disinform society and just happened to be unfortunately, you know, like a crisis 98 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:56.279 actor at all these events, or is it a very real phenomenon. And 99 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:01.159 I think Alan Greenfield kind of had some insight into that, But yeah, 100 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.559 I would love to talk to him. I think it's interesting. Yeah, 101 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:07.639 and also with the Men in Black, because the Men in Black were kind 102 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:15.360 of spotted all around the Men in Black's thumbprints are all over the Mothman sightings, 103 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:18.360 and uh, you know, it makes you think because I'm pretty sure 104 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:26.159 injured Cole is depicted wearing like a black suit. He's like always smiling, 105 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:33.840 and I'd have to refresh on the story, but I think that he spoke 106 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:41.679 telepathically to the first person that he encountered close to Parkersburg, West Virginia before 107 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:48.399 the Mothman sightings, a gentleman. It's not this car in the middle of 108 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:50.759 the highway or something, and then there was like a craft in the middle 109 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.960 of the highway. Or I might be getting the story confused, but now 110 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.120 you're one hundred percent this dude just keeps potting. And it's one of those 111 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:03.159 things where you're like bs and you start looking into it, and the more 112 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.600 you look into it, the more it pops up. It's like one of 113 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:09.000 those thorns in your side, you know. I think it's popped up with 114 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:16.679 Hellier, It pops up with Kenneth Grant, Alistair Crowley, some ties to 115 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.519 high strangeness in anyway, all kinds of other things, and you have this 116 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:26.240 character and you know, I don't know, man, it seems as if 117 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.080 he is very much along the lines of that men in black not quite human. 118 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.960 You know. It reminds me a lot of what you hear, a 119 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:41.159 lot of the quote unquote tip of the capstone of ufology these days as far 120 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:48.799 as intelligence and what they say to many who you know, they've drawn a 121 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.720 lot of attention by saying, you know that they walk among us, and 122 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:58.279 they have for some time, and this has been met with all kinds of 123 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:03.440 different form of attack, you know, laughter, comedy, you know. 124 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:09.480 But yeah, there's there's there seems to be this advanced working group in in 125 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:15.000 the government, in ufology circles and in the private sector, which are under 126 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:22.919 the impression that these not quite human entities walk among us, and from time 127 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.320 to time they have a hard time kind of pulling off the uh fitting in 128 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:33.720 aspect of humanity. And I think this, this character is one of them. 129 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:35.919 And you find, you know, I don't know, you find all 130 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:43.159 kinds of instances where for lack. I mean in Vegas, for example, 131 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:48.120 there's there's a very prevalent rumor. And I've heard this from casino workers. 132 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.840 I heard it from the late John Lear, I've heard it from people other 133 00:11:52.919 --> 00:12:00.279 people, and it's it's basically that you know, these things like to go 134 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:05.000 to public places from time to time, and that sometimes they sort of glitch 135 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.919 out or they don't know how to socially interact with humans, and it can 136 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:16.279 turn into quite the mess. And there was a story I spoke with a 137 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.679 B and B owner in Green River, Utah, where the Green River Launch 138 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:26.799 Complex used to be, which was like a super secretive sort of like White 139 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.720 Sands, you know, like this launch complex that eventually was completely abandoned and 140 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.039 it's just weird why it was there, but they would see this. This 141 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.600 B and B owner said that, you know, for being abandoned from time 142 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:45.000 to time, she believed that these military semi trucks and other military trucks would 143 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:50.799 come in and utilize underground facilities at this launch complex for various reasons, and 144 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.840 that from time to time when this would take place, they would see these 145 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:01.440 strange people. You know, and I've been out there. It's like this 146 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.879 this gravel road going out to an abandoned military facility where all the fences are 147 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.759 busted down and you can go. Not a big deal, but they would 148 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.600 see these like nineteen fifties cars come out of there that were like in perfect 149 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:20.159 condition, like low mileage, and these these m ib looking characters. And 150 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:24.480 one particular time, she's still there, still runs a B and B, 151 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:30.320 and she said that one particular time at this diner, one of them started 152 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.200 glitching out. In fact, the woman. There were two guys and a 153 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.240 woman, and they all seemed to be very like robotic a m I be 154 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:41.840 dressed to the nineteen fifties era. The woman had like the beehive hairdo, 155 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:46.320 and she literally glitched out, you know, a lot like Hillary Clinton has 156 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:54.000 on from time to time or other people you know in politics, but where 157 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:58.720 it literally looked as if, in you know, her words, that there 158 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.799 was a glitch with the with the operating system. And I remember she said 159 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.639 that this lady with the beehive just kept like moving her head, trying to 160 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.960 trying to like recalibrate, and it wasn't happening, and so these two guys 161 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.639 had to walk her off and put her back into the car and leave, 162 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:16.720 and a ton of people saw it. So I don't know, I mean, 163 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.120 this is more modern times. But yeah, the mb thing just keeps 164 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.759 coming up. Well. It's interesting because I think a lot of these buzzwords 165 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.720 and a lot of the things that I've spoken about this a couple of times 166 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:37.639 on the show have alternate and double meanings, and the public thinks that it 167 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:45.840 means one thing, but it actually means something completely different. It's like a 168 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:52.720 psychological operation almost, when people have been programmed to hear certain words and they 169 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:58.000 take those words literally, or to take those words in a different kind of 170 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.240 way, like cross or tree, like alien invasion. You know, alien 171 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:11.080 takes on a completely different meaning when you just add one word in front of 172 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:16.600 it, just add a legal onto it, and it takes on a whole 173 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:22.080 other meaning. And yeah, it makes a lot more sense whenever they say 174 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:28.759 that they're all around us and they've always been here when you put illegal in 175 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:35.799 front of the word, because they are and they always have been right, 176 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:43.799 and it takes on a different type of a whole other meaning, and it's 177 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:48.919 a literal meaning, and the same with like you know, crash retrieval. 178 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.039 You know, crash retrieval can be anything. It can be a down satellite, 179 00:15:54.159 --> 00:16:00.360 it can be a down aircraft, it could be a military aircraft. 180 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:08.200 And something that I've realized is it doesn't matter how much time has passed in 181 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:17.240 between something crashing and it being discovered. So something could have been found that 182 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:25.279 is hundreds and hundreds or maybe even thousands of years old and it becomes discovered 183 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:30.360 that would still be considered a crash retrieval. But the problem is is that 184 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:34.360 people within the community, whenever they hear the word crash retrieval as it's related 185 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:41.279 to UFOs and extraterrestrials, they think that it's something modern. They think that 186 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:47.480 it's something that happened just recently, that someone saw the craft go down and 187 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:51.919 then they went to examine it or excavate it, or the military solid on 188 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:56.000 some kind of radar, or they got a call from another country to come 189 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:03.039 in grab an exotic craft that they don't know what it is. When it's 190 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:10.839 possible that the crash retrieval could be something that was dug up in an archaeological 191 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:17.119 dig in the Middle East that could be hundreds or thousands of years old. 192 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:26.880 And that's what is interesting to me about the Bobblesar case. Like you know, 193 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.079 and a lot of people have different feelings about Bobblesar, but one thing 194 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:37.079 they was interesting that stuck out to me whenever he's telling this story is that 195 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.680 he said that he was under the impression that at least one of the craft 196 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:47.240 that he witnessed or that he worked on, he was under the impression that 197 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:55.400 it was dug up, that it was found in an archaeological dig. And 198 00:17:55.440 --> 00:18:00.440 then when you look at the Wilson documents as well, regardless if you think 199 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:07.680 that the Wilson documents are real or fake, I personally believe that they're fake. 200 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:12.200 And some people would argue with that, especially Richard. Richard Dolan would 201 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:17.799 put his life on the line to say that the Wilson documents are real. 202 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:26.519 But John Greenwald Junior has really disproven the whole Wilson documents. But it's interesting 203 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:30.680 with the Wilson documents because it claims that they have possession, like the government 204 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:36.640 has possession of a craft, but they're not sure what it is, and 205 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.680 they think that it could fly. Well, putting the emphasis on that you 206 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:45.759 think that it can fly and you think that it may be some sort of 207 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.720 anti gravity craft, it means that you've never seen it actually do what it's 208 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:56.160 supposed to be doing. No one witnessed what you thought what you think that 209 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.839 it can do. So where did it come from? That come? In 210 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:03.759 my mind? I'm thinking a well, you know, maybe it was a 211 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:11.319 dug up. Maybe a lot of these uh crafts that we think are coming 212 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:15.079 from other worlds and other planets aren't coming from other worlds, or they're not 213 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:21.119 coming from extraterrestrials. They're actually coming from the planet itself and they're just old 214 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:30.599 technology from a previous civilization or previous species that was here. Yeah, it's 215 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:36.440 it's a big it's a cluster because when it comes to intelligence. And I'm 216 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:41.519 glad you mentioned the Wilson documents because you know, you hear how Eric Davis 217 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:48.920 was forced to meet with this guy Wilson in a parking lot, and and 218 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:56.119 and I and I understand the the reality or at least what seems to be 219 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:04.759 an apparent reality that Greenwald has debunked this. However, has he And the 220 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:17.799 reason I say that is what better governmental loud speaker or speaking piece than John 221 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:22.119 Greenwald where you can have him say whatever you want through a simple FOYA sent 222 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:30.680 to his address. So I find that he is quite literally controlled opposition. 223 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:36.000 You know, if there's anything they would like to throw or cast doubt upon, 224 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.680 it's very easy. The Freedom Information Act is very technical if you've looked 225 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:47.440 at it, because misinformation and disinformation is legally accepted as information and it can 226 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:52.480 also be sent out if national security is involved. So he's the ultimate mouthpiece 227 00:20:52.960 --> 00:21:00.000 if you wanted to detract from any potential secretive behavior by the same toe. 228 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:07.200 And I argue that sometimes many of the same forces are controlling the more extreme 229 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:08.920 Well wow, something just flew by my window. I hope that was a 230 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:17.519 bird, the more extreme crazy stories in ufology. I argue that many times 231 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:26.160 characters in the intelligence community are actually at both ends of this sort of throwing 232 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:29.160 up guardrails, you know, along the narrative that they would like, which 233 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:33.160 is usually in the middle, and they don't want people to get too crazy 234 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:36.160 on it. And if they do. They want to know who they are 235 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:40.119 and they don't want people to get to debunky on it. And if they 236 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:42.200 do get super debunky, they want to know who they are because those are 237 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:49.000 also assets they can control in real time and other scenarios and information and that 238 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:53.279 data is quite literally, you know, the gold of disclosure, right That's 239 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:57.599 that's what you want to be able to. That is the currency of disclosure 240 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:03.200 is having people you can control or assets. And I would argue that a 241 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:08.319 lot of people who claim to be uncontrollable are assets, and among those, 242 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.400 you know, they don't know it in a lot of cases. So you 243 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.759 know, you're asking to debunk the Wilson documents, and you send a Freedom 244 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:22.960 of Information Act request and you get something back, and you read that as 245 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:27.119 if it's gospel, when in reality you realize that we are kind of dealing 246 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:33.079 with the two wings of the same birds. So you know what he had 247 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:37.400 done though, is he examined the actual stamp on the document. Though it 248 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:44.039 wasn't that he read something or the four year requests came back and said that 249 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:48.720 the document wasn't real. He was examining the stamp on the Wilson document and 250 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:57.240 he's seeing that there was inconsistencies and incongruencies that other documents don't have, so 251 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:03.240 that the stamp wasn't right on the Wilson document like it's right on all the 252 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:11.359 other documents that he has gotten in. So it's an interesting thing working with 253 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:17.160 working with documents and being able to spot something that could be fake might not 254 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:21.880 be fake. I mean the hard part is you can get those stamps, 255 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:26.160 Like you can buy those stampers, like you can put it on anything, 256 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.920 which is super crazy. I have a bunch of them, so like, 257 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.359 and you know, you can get them and you can either make an like 258 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:41.839 you said, an illegitimate document look legitimate, or you could do the opposite, 259 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.599 and you can do so after the fact, you could actually have a 260 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:48.680 legitimate document and then you could nail it with like one of these stampers. 261 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:52.000 And that's just what it does. You Like, I'm sure you've seen them. 262 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.640 You know this one's true, dot, But you can get them from 263 00:23:55.680 --> 00:24:02.759 everywhere, and the government used quite often. It's sort of like the new 264 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.839 version of the wax seal. Remember like how people had the signet rings and 265 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:10.519 they would put the wax seal like, oh it's official. So but yeah, 266 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.240 one hundred percent. I've seen that, and it's interesting, but it 267 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:18.160 reminds me a lot, you know, of the you know, when when 268 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:25.480 it comes to these quote unquote aliens, because in a lot of the documentation, 269 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:30.720 as you said, the word alien is written everywhere in government documents. 270 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:37.240 However it's assumed, as you said, that it is people not of this 271 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:41.839 country, which would technically qualify in all accounts. Right, all you have 272 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.480 to do is put illegal before that word, like you said, and you 273 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:51.200 already you all of a sudden have like a whole new a whole new genre 274 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:56.880 of you can say whatever you want basically. And we find this with you 275 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:06.319 know, many of the stories that revolve around Corso and the Foreign Technology desk. 276 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:08.960 You know who foreign technology. It could be from out of this world, 277 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:12.680 yes, but it could also just be you know, a couple of 278 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:18.880 thousand miles away, so in another country. So it's really difficult because I 279 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:29.920 find that these vague terms are how a lot of the government documentation is passed 280 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:34.839 back and forth and people can basically say whatever they want to say and not 281 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:37.880 be found out. And a really good example is UAP. You know, 282 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:44.119 everybody was looking for UFO for decades they were using these other three letters thinking 283 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:48.599 they were all spycraft and yeah, lo and behold, it took a while 284 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.119 for people to find out. Yeah, and then I mean there's a lot 285 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:56.680 of proof of people just coming up with it, you know, doing fake 286 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:06.519 documents. My my friend Paul Knight did one for a April Fool's joke. 287 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:15.240 He created a fake CIA document for one of his friends exclaiming that the CIA 288 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:22.400 was investigating this Facebook group. Looked really legit. And then a couple of 289 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:30.240 years later he sees that document, that fake document that he made pop up 290 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.799 on someone's YouTube channel and they're taking it as truth. They're like, oh, 291 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:40.640 here, look, this is really real. The CIA isn't investigating this 292 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.039 Facebook group, you know. I mean, and that's how easy it is. 293 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.039 And I just had a Richard Dodion the other day, and you've had 294 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.559 him on a couple of times as well, and he was supplying fake documents 295 00:26:52.640 --> 00:27:00.559 that half of the freaking UFO community. Yeah, I mean job description with 296 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.400 Linda Moulton Howe and right, and it's like here does this pass the sniff 297 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.480 test? Yeah? And it's it's amazing, man, you know that the 298 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:15.079 alien thing with them walking among us have you looked at all into uh, 299 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.839 organic robatoids? Have you looked into that? No? What is that? 300 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:26.759 So there was this guy, a doctor Peter David Beater, who was this 301 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:32.400 authoritative source up until the point where he came out with this wait wait wait 302 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.680 his name is Peter Beeter. Yeah, I swear, I swear doctor Peter 303 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:45.000 David Beeter and Peter some call him, uh Peter David better, but I 304 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:52.319 like Peter and doctor Peter Beeter at your service. Yeah, super respected though, 305 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:57.559 like it's it's beard. He was like this way respected doctor. Everything 306 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:03.759 he said was gospel, and and then he came out with this theory about 307 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:11.559 organic robotoids, which was like synthetic humans, and he lost all credibility at 308 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:19.240 that point. But there's some pretty interesting, you know, stuff out there 309 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:27.039 about these synthetic organisms. And I think it was like in the same year 310 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:34.480 the iPhone came out, there was a new article that came out about the 311 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:45.359 progress and how they have created these synthetic organisms that literally are like living robots. 312 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.759 They call him xenobots. And this didn't come out again until about twenty 313 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:56.559 in the twenty twenties, like maybe twenty twenty one, and these xena bots 314 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:02.119 go figure right after twenty twenty. But these xenobots are a type of programmable 315 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:11.319 organism made from frog cells and they basically replicate by spontaneously gathering up loose stem 316 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.440 cells and so they can self replicate. But this is, uh, you 317 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.799 know, it's weird, like this whole this whole organic robotoid. It's something 318 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.680 you have to check out because it sounds a lot like, you know, 319 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:27.160 some of these MIBs basically glitching out, like what we were talking about before, 320 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:32.599 where they look sort of alien but they're human. They glitch out, 321 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:37.119 they're not really they are biological, but they're also robotic and they have a 322 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:42.279 limited shelf life and uh yeah, I don't know. It reminds me of 323 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:47.759 the movie Multiplicity where they can like almost pull it off but not quite right, 324 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:52.079 like there's something wrong with the clone. But I don't know. They're 325 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:57.400 NPCs. Basically, that's something you got to check out. As Peter Beeter, 326 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.559 Peter Beeter, doctor Peter Beeter, gotta get him on, bro get 327 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:11.440 on, not Peter Beeter. No, but I think that there is something 328 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:19.640 to that. If it's not straight up clones, then it's like human cybernetics, 329 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:25.160 human like cyborgs or something like that. I mean, they've had to 330 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.359 have had that technology for a really long time. I mean I got no 331 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:36.279 proof, no evidence, just personal thought in theory. But they would definitely 332 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:44.559 have to have some sort of because what better way to run an operation and 333 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:51.599 not let people know exactly what you're doing than bring any cyborg or bring in 334 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:57.920 some sort of non biological mixed with biological entity, because then you can you 335 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:03.519 can get away with whatever you want. Then do whatever you want then, 336 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:08.799 because there would be nobody to blow the whistle. You just throw them into 337 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:15.599 a trash compactor and that's it, or you you know, flip off, 338 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:22.359 turn off their off switch and boom, it's done. You've gotten away with 339 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:29.559 whatever it is, whatever kind of operation, whatever kind of maybe even assassination 340 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.400 that you wanted to do, and no one has to go to jail the 341 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:41.559 perpetrator. There's no consequences. M hm. And you know what's strange about 342 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.000 that is there are images from this same era and this is going back, 343 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.480 this is going I mean, these are these are not you know, in 344 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:53.960 the two thousand, this we're talking about older stuff where there is like older 345 00:31:53.960 --> 00:32:00.960 images black and white images of people working on these allegedly at DARPA. Uh, 346 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.039 there's actually quite quite. I mean, you could you could fill like 347 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.440 a banker's box of all the ones. I've seen. Some of them look 348 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.359 faker than others, but you know, they usually have more or less along 349 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:19.119 the back, like like a seam or a zipper, and uh, that's 350 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.759 where everything is accessed. And you know, it seems far fetched, but 351 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.799 then again, I mean you look at these, you know, these these 352 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:31.599 robots by SpaceX or elon the you know, the Tesla robots. And I 353 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:36.359 mean I know people that have orders for those who are like waiting for like 354 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.039 to receive those And first of all, I think they have entirely too much 355 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.799 money. But who the hell would want this in their home? And I 356 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.079 know people that have ordered this and they're like literally waiting for this robot to 357 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.640 show up at their house. And it can do everything they are alleging. 358 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.680 You know, it can clean up, it can take out garbage, it 359 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.960 can do all this stuff. And if you threw a silicone suit on it, 360 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.799 could you really tell, you know that it is a robot? I 361 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.240 don't think. I don't think we could, and I don't I don't. 362 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:12.039 I don't know entirely that we realize how long this has been going on. 363 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:19.119 And if it's been going on an extremely long time, then it should be, 364 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.799 by all intents and purposes perfected by now, like you said, you 365 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:28.640 don't need to do certain things because you can just fire one of these up 366 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.880 and have it done for you. Well, have you heard of the Ferby 367 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:37.480 the Furby Conspiracy? No, let's hear this. I love it. Well, 368 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:42.559 apparently I have something to do with the NSSA, And the NSA was 369 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:50.119 putting in these listening devices into all of the Ferbies and all the Furbies were 370 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:54.519 collecting all of this data and all this information about all of the all the 371 00:33:54.519 --> 00:34:00.119 households the Ferbies were in in the late nineties into the early two thousands because 372 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:07.719 Furbies were super freaking popular. And then when you think of well, I 373 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:15.239 just watched this documentary on Netflix called the American Conspiracy the Octopus Murders. Have 374 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.559 you looked into that at all? Yeah? He actually just I talked to 375 00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.719 a guy that know that knows not only the guy that came out with the 376 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:29.440 documentary, but knew the guy who was killed in the hot tub. I 377 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:35.519 believe his name was Dan, and he kind of went into detail about this 378 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:43.159 this scenario and what they really knew and how the software this this was out 379 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.360 you know way back then, this software was out there that was you know, 380 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.639 it falls right into a line with a lot in the line with a 381 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.519 lot of the conspiracies out there that we have you know, software or basically 382 00:34:55.760 --> 00:35:00.440 zero point quantum computing that they claim doesn't exist, but that it is in 383 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:06.360 fact around. And it kind of makes sense because we have these huge data 384 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:12.079 centers popping up everywhere that look like Fort Knox and have security that far outweighs 385 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.679 the security of banks, even because they say data is the new gold. 386 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:21.360 And yet we are expected to believe that all these all these for lack of 387 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:30.440 a better word, listening centers right private and governmental, are basically collecting data 388 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:35.599 for the time when we have this quantum computing available to go through it all 389 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:43.400 instantaneously and without any real return on investment. But you know the argument is 390 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.440 that we have had you know, this software around, and I think that 391 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.480 kind of touches on it a little bit. But no, I haven't seen 392 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.199 the documentary yet. I need to watch it. Did you get a chance 393 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.000 to watch it. Yeah, it's really interesting. So basically what happened was 394 00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:05.079 that this gentleman was the software engineer and software company signed a contract with the 395 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:13.360 Department of Defense to create this data software to track criminals and like track court 396 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:21.199 cases and bring certain relating factors from different cases all together to like cross examine 397 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.519 them. And the Department of Justice ended up bankrupting his entire company and stop 398 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:31.800 paying him and stole the software. Well, it turns out that they wanted 399 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:37.960 they put a backdoor into the software in order for them to collect all the 400 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:43.599 data from that the software was presenting to people, and they would sell that 401 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:52.880 software to different countries intelligence communities, So then the United States had access to 402 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:58.000 all of the other intelligence communities in all the different countries that they sold the 403 00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:01.079 software to. One of the first people that they sold it to was Canada, 404 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:08.679 so they had the access to whatever Canada was using the software to do. 405 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.079 The United States government had access to figure out what it is that they 406 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:20.599 were using the software for as well, and it eventually spread out to almost 407 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.360 every country, well not every country, but a lot of different countries. 408 00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:30.360 So it was basically setting up a The United States was setting up a surveillance 409 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:38.400 world, and then what do we get? What's the next evolving thing from 410 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:45.280 that? Right, what do we start getting in the early two thousands cell 411 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:52.400 phones, right, listening devices, data collection. So they spread it out 412 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:57.519 from because they were not only selling it to their enemies, but they were 413 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:01.119 also selling the software to their ally as well. They're like, okay, 414 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.960 well, how do we do this on a grander scale? You know, 415 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:10.599 how do we get people like the individual everyday personal, you know person, 416 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:14.880 how do we get them with that? Well, we'll give them all cell 417 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:20.800 phones. That's not in the documentary, but that's just my thought process of 418 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:25.039 the evolving nature of it. They don't have to do that anymore. They 419 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.760 don't have to create a software and sell it to a different country to spy 420 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:35.360 on them. They already have the spy everyone's already got the spy software in 421 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.559 their hands, in their pocket, you know. So that's why the dots 422 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:45.960 that I was connecting from watching the documentary and that because that was what started 423 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:52.360 like thirty years ago. You know. The whole software is called Promise. 424 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:58.039 It's called Promise software that this guy Bill, I forget what his last name 425 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.800 is, I just watched it. Last name, So I'm not. Oh 426 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:09.559 no, everyone's names and oh yeah, but you should talk to His name 427 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:15.719 is doctor A true At, and he's you know, he was actually dealing 428 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.119 with this stuff, and he's had a really interesting career doing different things, 429 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:25.480 and he knows a lot of interesting people in Washington, and this particular story 430 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:30.400 shocked him. You know that it made Netflix. Basically, he was shocked 431 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:37.320 that it was in the public domain. And I can see why because there 432 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.039 is, you know, also this project called Pagasus, not the one with 433 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:45.639 and with Pisiago, not the time travel thing, not the super space program 434 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.480 time travel and Super Soldier one. Well, and I should not say that 435 00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.880 it's not connected, but there is a project called Pagasus, which is a 436 00:39:52.960 --> 00:40:00.960 spyware developed by an NSO group and as of March of last year, as 437 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:07.480 of one year ago, it's called Pagasus, and they said that Pegasus operators 438 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:14.800 could remotely install spywear on anybody's cell phone with a zero click exploit. So 439 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:20.239 that just means all you need is their phone number and you can install this 440 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.840 this this spyware, and like you said, it's been utilized by law firms, 441 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:29.920 courtrooms, et cetera. And you no longer have to do like you 442 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.480 know, the nineteen seventies. You know, oh, I've got a chip 443 00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.519 and we'll stick it in the uh, in the back of the FM transmitter 444 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:42.920 and all that. All that stuff, you can literally just purchase, for 445 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.639 lack of a better word, Pagasus from nso Group, which is literally, 446 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:55.360 uh, it's an Israeli cyber arms company with ties to the CIA, and 447 00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.440 I you know, many argue that it is the CIA and they're just doing 448 00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:05.519 business through n SOO Group to covertly kind of hide who's in control. But 449 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.039 people have known that with Massad for a long time. But yeah, all 450 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:13.519 you need is somebody's phone number and you can you can remotely install this spyware 451 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.519 and you can look it up. It's out there, and people still don't 452 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:21.679 believe that we are all being listened to. It's crazy. Well, that's 453 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.000 another thing that they do, too, Ryan, is that they try and 454 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:35.079 hide legitimate, real program names under like fantasy things. It's another misdirection. 455 00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:39.039 It's just like the buzzwords have alternate meanings as well. While the names of 456 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:46.039 these programs also have alternate meanings too. I mean we've seen that with you 457 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:50.840 know, Operation Looking Glass, like people talking about that. This is you 458 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.119 know, people in the community are like, oh, Project looking Glass was 459 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:58.719 a project to see into the future and see what events are going to happen 460 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.000 in the future and see brought in time. And then there's four of them 461 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.320 all. Russia's got one, Germany's got one, United There's got one. 462 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.880 There's one just floating around in space or whatever. Well, Operation looking Glass 463 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:13.679 is a real operation, but it was to put a nuclear command post in 464 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.599 space. Seeing with the Stargate project, you know, everyone in the community 465 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:23.239 all the Stargate project was a time traveling a twenty and back portal that would 466 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:27.360 take you into space, and then adri Rushiu and then all this stuff and 467 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.559 then well, no, Stargate project was a real government program for remote viewing 468 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:37.800 and psychic ability as a data collection program. And it's the same with this 469 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.480 Pegasus thing that you're talking about. You know, we have the hairy fairy 470 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:52.239 mystical nonsense that people think that these programs actually are, and then there's the 471 00:42:52.320 --> 00:43:00.480 real program, which is which is a way to cover up with the mystical 472 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:05.920 nonsense. Harry, fairy stuff is a way to cover up the real thing. 473 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:07.800 That's the way that I look at it. Anyway, because if you 474 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:14.119 have people talking about a bunch of fairytale nonsense, then the real thing can 475 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.400 just be swept up underneath the rug and no one will ever know about it 476 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:21.320 because they're all convinced that is something completely different. It's the exact same thing 477 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.280 with the words that we were just talking about, you know, twenty minutes 478 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:29.800 ago. It's the exact same thing. It's a misdirection. It's misdirection and 479 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:36.239 misinformation, disinformation and deception. That's what Richard Dody caught it. Deception operation 480 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:42.840 right. It's a deception, is what it is. It It what better 481 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.400 way to hide everything in plain sight that when you look up something like Project 482 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:51.239 looking Glass, or when you look up something like Project Pegasus, it takes 483 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:55.119 you to a crazy time travel conspiracy rabbit hole, and it doesn't tell you 484 00:43:55.159 --> 00:44:02.559 about this this uh covert spyware that's being used by almost every country to listen 485 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:07.199 on its people. And of course this stuff is very real. You can 486 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:10.000 look it up. You can look up the NSO group, you can look 487 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.360 up Pegas's spyware. And you know the craziest thing about it is they've been 488 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.599 trying to find out a way. This is where it gets really scary to 489 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.519 detect. They can't even detect if it's on your phone, like like they're 490 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:32.039 trying to look and it was what's wild about that? Is h January of 491 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:39.039 this year, twenty twenty four, Kaspersky Labs said in a press release that 492 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:44.920 they think they found a way to detect it, and you have to Basically, 493 00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:51.599 it's only effective if the device is rebooted the same day that it's installed. 494 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:58.199 And the only and the only way that you can detect it is through 495 00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:02.519 digital forensics. So so I mean it's virtually undetectable. They can they can 496 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.480 download it remotely, and a bunch of countries, you know, claim, 497 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.760 oh, well, this is being used against criminals and terrorists, And the 498 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.079 bottom line is it's like you said, it's now it's anybody with the cell 499 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:20.880 phone, anybody with the cell phone, and they can target, you know, 500 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:25.800 anybody they want, and then they can get them to either play ball 501 00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.679 or control them in some way, because it is tied to the justice and 502 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:37.599 legal systems. Yeah, and it serves as the best cover up. That's 503 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:44.920 why I believe that the whole alien and extraterrestrial thing is a cover up, 504 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.719 and not in the way that people think that it's a cover up. I 505 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:53.360 think it's another mistraction and another disuption. I guess you got people believing in 506 00:45:53.920 --> 00:46:02.440 space, aliens and extraterrestrials. Then it paves a way to cover up advanced 507 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:10.119 technology, advanced military drones, and what technology we might actually have. And 508 00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:21.360 that to me is the real reason for the buzzword national security threat. It's 509 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:28.119 not a national security threat because there's extraterrestrials. It's a national security threat because 510 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:34.360 if other countries find out that it's our technology, then we're exposed and they 511 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:39.760 know it. That's why the buzzword is used as national security threat. I 512 00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:45.199 see it has an alternate meaning. It has a different meaning than what people 513 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:55.039 assume that it actually means. And normally it's the most logical and critical thing 514 00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:05.639 that you can think of. But intelligence communities have ufology and a lot of 515 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:12.440 these groups thinking that it's something different, that they're right, whenever they're actually 516 00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:20.280 wrong, and they've been telling us the truth the entire time. Deception right, 517 00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:25.159 deception after deception, tricking people into believing that it's kind of like gas 518 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:30.559 lighting in a way, sort of, you know, like you see something 519 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:34.199 and they tell you that you didn't see it, even though that you see 520 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.039 there's a relation there between you know, they're they're doing a little gas lighting 521 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:44.000 there as well. So it's like, well, you know what's going on, 522 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.679 And when you go and you examine these words and you take the critical 523 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:53.360 thought process and the common sense behind exactly what they're seeing, it's completely different 524 00:47:53.400 --> 00:48:00.719 than what our preconceived notions and our preconceived thoughts due to the programming of this 525 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:09.199 community wants us to believe. Yeah, it's it's it's weird because I find 526 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:15.599 that a lot of these pathways, whether they be intelligence oriented or like the 527 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:21.840 physical nuts and bolts aspects like technology, that there there's such they have such 528 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:28.960 a massive bandwidth that sometimes they tend to backfire among these working groups. And 529 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.039 what I mean by that is it's a lot like magic, right, It's 530 00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:37.320 it's a lot like magic itself, where you have like this uh sorcerer of 531 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:44.599 the magic of the black magic cult of whatever, and he has to be 532 00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:51.639 careful because there's there's always the ability for someone else to utilize this sorcery against 533 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.280 them. And I think it's the same with technology. It's you know, 534 00:48:54.800 --> 00:49:00.559 with these technical details, it is a lot like uh, like a like 535 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:07.599 a magical circumstance because it's backfired. And and not to go back too much 536 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.679 on the project Pegas's stuff, but do you remember when Saudi Arabia got caught 537 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.480 like murdering that guy in the embassy, Jamal Kashogi. Yes, where they 538 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:22.880 like hacked into pieces and it was all caught on his eye watch. Well, 539 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:30.960 that project that that's Pegas's spyware was used by Saudi Arabia to spy on 540 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:36.960 Jamel Kashogi. That's how they found everything out about it and why they lured 541 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.320 him into the embassy to do what they did. And then by a strange 542 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:46.440 twist of fate, his eye watch again technology caught it all, started recording 543 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:52.800 for EMS services and sort of threw him under the bus. So I argue 544 00:49:52.840 --> 00:50:00.000 that technology and magic and you know, really this this information and disinformation, 545 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.199 it's sort of a it's a catch twenty two. It's a double edged sword. 546 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.920 It goes both ways. So it's going to be interesting how this is 547 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:13.639 used in the future, especially with AI and you know, our freedom's disappearing 548 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:19.679 at a very quick rate. Yeah, and also with you know technology, 549 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:28.519 it's like we're not going to get anything publicly that can't be dual use, 550 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:35.559 that they can't use in some sort of nefarious way. You know, they're 551 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:43.519 not going to give us any kind of technology that can't be used against this, 552 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.159 just like you know with the problem of software, they're putting a back 553 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:52.840 door into the software. And I was in the late eighties into the early 554 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.159 nineties. You know, it's like, well, you know what all has 555 00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.039 advanced since then, and what have they been doing? They were doing that 556 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.679 then, and see people like to say, oh, well, that was 557 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.639 back then. There's no way that they're doing anything like that now, just 558 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.199 like with the MK ultra programs, when you know, you bring it up 559 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:16.840 to normal everyday people you know that aren't in this community, you tell them 560 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:22.880 about it. The CIA was doing mind control experiments in the early fifties into 561 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.960 the seventies, and they'll be like, oh, well that was back then. 562 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.800 They're not doing that anymore, you know what I mean. And I 563 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:37.119 think that that's really the way that it works. They have to kind of 564 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:46.159 the reaches like a period of time where the kind of the NDA is expired 565 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:52.320 on it, because there's been enough time passing between it where they kind of 566 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.960 have to come in and be like, oh, yeah, well we were 567 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:04.480 doing this thirty years ago, but magically we're not doing it anymore. Right, 568 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.440 So it's like to let the public be aware. But then it's like 569 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:14.159 the public just kind of brushes it off as like a one time thing, 570 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:20.079 which makes zero sense. I mean, the project, the Promise solftware was 571 00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:25.559 very successful, and with it being very successful, it would need to change 572 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:31.800 and evolve. And that's another thing with like the Stargate project. I've done 573 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:37.000 a deep dive into the remote viewing I've read all the documents and done a 574 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:43.880 lot of research into that, and that program worked regardless if the CIA said 575 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:50.119 that no intelligence data was ever collected. The evolving nature of remote viewing, 576 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:58.079 there's another step to it. There's another application that it can be used for 577 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:04.480 the way that other programs have worked. You look at it and you're like, 578 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:09.159 Okay, well they're definitely still doing it. They're definitely still using that 579 00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:17.320 technology, but it's just a different kind of application. That's the way that 580 00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:21.079 I feel about the remote viewing programs. This way I feel about this promise 581 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:25.320 software. That's how I feel about really anything that has success and works. 582 00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.039 They're going to continue doing it. But it's just going to be continued with 583 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:35.320 a different application in mind. Then it's going to be named something completely different, 584 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:40.679 just like the change from flying saucers into UFOs, from UFOs to UAPs, 585 00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:46.719 from UAPs to USOS. It's a switching of the name of what you 586 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:52.800 call it. So therefore anything that came before it can't really be lumped into 587 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:59.159 the same category. It's something completely different. What are your thoughts on It's 588 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.679 kind of shocking. It's cool that you had Rickdodion because he claims there is 589 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:08.559 a new version right of this remote viewing that is more technical. What are 590 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:13.360 your thoughts on that? Well? I was kind of shocked whenever he told 591 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.599 me that, because I thought that I had came to that conclusion on my 592 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:20.039 own. I don't listen to other people. I don't really listen to other 593 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:24.880 people's shows. I get all my information. It feels like it comes from 594 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:29.719 me. Now, people can say whatever they want, but it's normally through 595 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:35.360 research and looking into things and reading right, and then I formulated my own 596 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.199 conclusions and my own ideas based off of the things that I look into. 597 00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:45.360 And I had come to that conclusion early on through reading through all the Stargate 598 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:49.760 documents, all the remote viewing documents, the SRI documents, the DIAD documents, 599 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.840 the Army intelligence documents, and I was like, okay, well, 600 00:54:53.760 --> 00:55:00.480 they definitely kept going with this, but it's speculation. It's just theory and 601 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:05.280 idea. And I brought that up to a few of the remote viewers that 602 00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:07.400 were officially a part of the Stargate program, and a few of them kind 603 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.679 of agreed with me, and a few of them just completely shut me down 604 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:15.360 immediately. So I kind of just really stopped talking about it because I just 605 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:19.360 hit a dead end with it. And then when he brought it up in 606 00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:22.679 our interview, I was like, because someone made a comment. They were 607 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:30.000 like, Doughty claims that it's They called it something else. It started with 608 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:36.800 an A yeah, TPA, yes, And I had never heard that before. 609 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:40.440 And I brought the comment up on the screen and uh, Doughty commented 610 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.280 on it, and I was like, that's really interesting because it sounds like 611 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:57.039 remote influencing. Sounds like implanting thoughts and ideas and beliefs into someone's head remotely 612 00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.960 and being able to control them, not even in the same area as them. 613 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:06.320 And Limb Buchanan, which I've had on my show quite a few times 614 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.559 now says that it's one hundred percent possible, and I can prove that as 615 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:15.599 possible because I have documentation telling people how to do it, so I know 616 00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:21.639 that it's real, and that would be the next step that I could feasibly 617 00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:25.360 see them going in after the Stargate program got shut down, which was all 618 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:32.920 about data collection on foreign targets, you know, retrieving information, getting information, 619 00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:37.239 and giving it back to the intelligence community. Regardless if they used it 620 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:42.760 or not, it was still an application of it. And I was like, 621 00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:49.480 well, this remote influencing would be the next logical step in the evolving 622 00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:55.039 nature of remote viewing. And I was like, that program sounds like remote 623 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:59.519 influencing, which DOTI called it, you know, something different, But I 624 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.159 was like, that's those were my exact same thoughts. So I was kind 625 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:08.960 of mind blown in that that he was told, I believe by a general. 626 00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:13.880 He said it in our interview that a general told him that that's pretty 627 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:19.119 much what the program was, and that it's ran by the CIA. And 628 00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:22.880 that's another thing that I immediately thought as well. I was like, well, 629 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:24.760 why would the CIA shut down this program in ninety five when they had 630 00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:29.679 all the success with it, and the only two options that I came to 631 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:36.440 the conclusion of was one they already had a program, and two they found 632 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:40.719 a different application for it. And that different application for it, they couldn't 633 00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:47.239 carry over the people that was already in that program into a new program that 634 00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:54.079 does something that involves remote viewing but not what they're used to. So theory 635 00:57:54.159 --> 00:58:02.440 speculation that they shut down that program to open up a remote influencing program or 636 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:09.199 a remote control program. Lim Buchanan calls it both remote remote control. That's 637 00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:15.400 essentially what it is. It's putting thoughts and ideas and beliefs inside of your 638 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:22.880 head. And limb Buchanan was actually approached with asking him if he could kill 639 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.679 somebody with his mind, and I was like, holy shit, if you 640 00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:37.599 can make if you can do assassinations remotely, what a skill? What a 641 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:44.039 skill? Like you can raise someone's blood pressure to such a level that they 642 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:50.400 have a heart attack and die. Would that not be something if you were 643 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.639 an intelligence community? Would that not be something that you would want to do. 644 00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:59.519 But then Lynn was like, well, I kind of came to this 645 00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:02.000 conclusion on my own. He didn't outright say this but I was like, 646 00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:07.239 oh, well, what would be because that kind of seems a little redundant 647 00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:13.840 and kind of unclimactic just to give someone a heart attack and kill them, 648 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:23.239 Right, what you would want to do is remotely influence someone else to commit 649 00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:31.599 the assassination or the killing for you, because that's way more. That gives 650 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:40.639 a much bigger upheaval. That's a political upheaval when someone does when there's like 651 00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.519 a victim and there's like a culprit for it. If you're just outright, 652 00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:51.239 you know, killing people with your mind, then it's like, uh, 653 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:55.039 I think doctor David Morehouse put it this way, or and maybe it was 654 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:59.519 Shane the Ruiner. He was like, oh well, it's kind of like 655 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:04.840 a sam Bin Laden just dying in a cave. You know that's not exciting, 656 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.480 right, You want Seal Team six going in there and taking him out. 657 01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:15.880 That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, man, it is that 658 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:22.039 TPA. You know Rick. The amazing thing about Rick Dodie is for for 659 01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.519 all the shade that people throw at him, when you when you hit him 660 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:30.079 with a lot of those hard questions, it becomes obvious that he really does 661 01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:36.119 know, you know, things that others don't and you know, to be 662 01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.159 completely honest, he's saved I can't go into it, but he's saved my 663 01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:45.000 tail in the past. And he was telling me about well, similar to 664 01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:49.079 like the Stargate project, where you have a project shut down and then it's 665 01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:54.800 renamed or reprack packaged or rebranded. There was an LLC that was trying to, 666 01:00:55.480 --> 01:01:01.760 uh, basically have me sign some stuff, and through a mutual friend, 667 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.519 I reached out to Rick and he, in so many words, he 668 01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:13.360 said, well, you know that LLC has thirty eight sub LLC's and I've 669 01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:19.400 worked with them a long time and basically run like, don't sign. And 670 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:23.880 yeah. It's in times like those that you realize that Rick really does know 671 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:29.960 his stuff. And it makes you wonder with things like remote viewing and TPA, 672 01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:34.360 how different is it really as you've said then, you know, way 673 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:37.960 back when you look at the work of like John d and his Imperial Vision, 674 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:44.599 you know, utilizing magic in the Inochian language to basically, you know, 675 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:50.760 tell the British Crown just wait, I think a storm is going to 676 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:52.719 come and it's going to sink all of these ships and we don't even have 677 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:58.000 to engage. We can go in and clean up afterwards. And like you 678 01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:05.000 said, it's implanting that into the into the universe, into the universal consciousness, 679 01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:14.400 basically alchemically planting those seeds and waiting for the evidence of what takes place 680 01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:21.480 afterwards. And yeah, it how different is remote viewing TPA from Actually it's 681 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.920 rebranded, it's renamed, But how different is it really from you know, 682 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:30.320 going and seeing you know, a woman with a crystal ball or looking at 683 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:35.719 the works of John d These are all areas where you have laboratories like pair 684 01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:40.639 Monroe Institute. The list goes on and on where you know, this stuff 685 01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:46.719 has been studied and funded by the government for a long time. And as 686 01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:51.719 you said, at the end, they always say, oh there's no data, 687 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.320 no, no, no proof, but they sure keep funding it. 688 01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:58.159 So it makes you wonder what's going on. They just rebrand, rename, 689 01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:05.039 repackage, and refund and keep that shell game moving because that's that's the big 690 01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.960 thing. They don't want to don't connect the dots. It's always it's always 691 01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:12.840 destroy one and then oh, look we have this other project, or we 692 01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:16.840 have this other LLC, or we have this other deal going on, and 693 01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:22.440 we see that in so many different forms that it really makes you wonder, 694 01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:28.159 you know what is really taking place? Well, that's how people hide and 695 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:34.760 keep from getting in trouble is they have multiple companies and other companies own other 696 01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:39.639 companies. There's twenty different and it makes us so complicated and difficult to figure 697 01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:45.639 out what's going on. So they're perfectly hidden. And uh, I mean, 698 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:51.159 there's genius. What its evil? Genius? You know it is. 699 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:55.719 It's it's literally magic because just the word corporation. Just think about that limited 700 01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:04.239 liabilit liability corporation or LLC. A corporation is basically an entity without a corpse, 701 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:11.360 an entity without a body that you are magically creating that can own things, 702 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:16.360 do business, stash cash, and it makes you wonder. You know, 703 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:21.519 it is literally magic. You know this? This maritime law included a 704 01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:25.920 bunch of spell work in the spelling of the words that we use in our 705 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:30.199 legal system. And I think corporation is an excellent one because it's necromancy. 706 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:36.440 It's a dead entity that isn't alive, but it's able to function as a 707 01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:42.840 living, breathing human being and you can't do anything to it because it has 708 01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.880 limited liability. It's not there. So what are we creating. It's like 709 01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:50.000 creating a bunch of little you know, whether you want to call them a 710 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:55.920 monculous or creating a bunch of little gollums, or you're basically creating these little 711 01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.360 entities that aren't human, don't exist, but they are accomplishing, as you 712 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:04.199 said, in a lot of cases, a lot of evil things without any 713 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:10.760 repercussions. That's right, and that is the way that it is done. 714 01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:15.000 And through all the name changes, the name switches, the funding coming from 715 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:21.920 multiple directions, and the miss and disinformation and deception operations that's been ran, 716 01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:30.360 it's becomes increasingly difficult at every turn to get to the bottom of anything, 717 01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:38.800 not even just in the communities that were associated with, but just in anything 718 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.599 whatever it is that you want to figure out, it's just as difficult. 719 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:47.119 But Ryan, thanks so much brother for coming on. Really appreciate your time 720 01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:51.639 this evening. It was wonderful conversation. Can you can you let people know 721 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:58.480 where to find you online? One hundred percent. Just look for hero Paranormal. 722 01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:01.480 It's on YouTube on social media, or you can just go to hero 723 01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:06.360 Paranormal dot com. And I have a little science project up in the unabasein 724 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:12.760 of Utah, and that's called space Wolf Research. Same thing social media or 725 01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:18.000 spacewolfresearch dot com. All the links to Ryan's information will be in the description 726 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:21.320 of this video. Please be sure to hit the thumbs up button help the 727 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:26.840 channel on algorithm, share a subscribe, hit the bell icon as well for 728 01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:30.679 notifications. All of my links are also in the description of this video. 729 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:35.039 Try and subscribe on all the different podcast platforms, because there is an audio 730 01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:42.039 only version of this show that you can listen to anytime on Spotify, Apple, 731 01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:47.199 iHeartRadio, Google Podcast, and anywhere else that you listen to podcast on. 732 01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:50.280 All right, guys, thanks so much for being here. Thanks everyone 733 01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:53.840 in the chat, and we will see you guys next time.