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So with that down, we have with us today returning guest researcher and
the host of Paranormal Hero Paranormal Podcast, Ryan Burns. How's it going,
my friend? Hey man, I was I was a blessing to talk to
you and touch base and get into all the all the crazy stuff taking place,
always wild stuff going on. But before we get into the some of
the current things that are happening. Have you ever heard of the flat Woods
Monster? Mm hmm, very interesting case there, and I just recently had
heard about it. Whenever I went back to my hometown for the past.
You know, my dad we went to this, uh me and my girlfriend
we went to this this little shop there, and they had all the uh,
the flat Woods Monster stuff. They had like Mothman stuff and like big
Foot stuff. And I got these two magnets of the flat Woods Monster,
and I was like, Wow, this is a really really interesting case.
What do you know about it? You know, I think the craziest thing
is basically just the appearance of the thing, right, it looks like it's
wearing like this this strange dress kilt thing, and uh, you know,
just the experience with the kids and what they for being nineteen fifty two,
I think it was, you know, these these kids, you know,
I think it was six kids completely you know, see this this non human
entity that does not fit in any of the boxes of anything anybody has seen
until that point. Oh yeah, show them the pictures are the best.
I mean, it looks like this. I don't know, man, it
just it seriously looks like something that you would see in like a really bad
science fiction novel. You can make something up worse looking. But it's interesting
that the fact that they all collaborate this and you know that the creature dragged
like a lizard like hand they said, across the hood of the vehicle.
You know it. It's it's crazy. It's one of my favorites because it's
so wild. It is really wild, and I think some people have equated
it to be in a large owl, but I don't think in a large
owl. How's a flaming flaming head? Does it? I'm not seen it
all with a flaming head. That's what they kind of describe the being.
This is like having like a flaming head. That's what the tear drop behind
the face of the creature is is like supposedly like a flame or like it's
lit. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's kind of esoteric looking. If it
really has like this flame behind its head or or whatever that is, it's
it's super reminiscent of like ancient texts or biblical texts. Even you know how
they have that aura over the over the different entities, and you know,
being West Virginia, you have to wonder even in the fifties, you know,
if there is government stuff, you know, just to the east,
so you have to wonder if they were just testing stuff out in the out
in the West Virginia countryside. But yeah, the creature, you know,
it seemed to have just this Camara factor about it. You know, lizard
like arms that didn't really fit the body, ahead that doesn't fit the body,
this this strange kilt dress like thing, almost robotic in nature. It's
crazy. You know, if I was a kid, this this would be
horrific. Yeah, and some of the eyewitness accounts said that it would like
float, that it was like like hover above the ground at them and like
fly at them. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of like the stuff
the villagers in the Alto Nana of Peru experience where it was about a meter
off the ground flying around. Kind of looked like the green Goblin. They
said. You know about these quote unquote aliens, which may or may not
be we don't know, But yeah, when it comes to this legend,
it's it's something that definitely caught a lot of traction because these kids, I
mean, for being kids, they did not back down from the story,
you know, no matter or how much people tried to corner them dissuade them,
and it turned into a national sensation I think at the time, you
know, and flying saucers were something that you know, unfortunately mistakenly was also
grabbing a lot of attention at the time, which was misrepresentation and a misquote
from Arnold. You never called the shape of the craft of flying saucer,
said that the craft flew like saucers across water. He never said that the
shape of the craft was flying saucers. But that's what all the newspapers printed,
and it's probably the biggest misquote of all time. But it's really interesting
with West Virginia, like there's so many different cryptids and different creatures like injured
coal some people call them injured cold. Either way, you have that one,
you have the moth Man, you have Bigfoot, you have the flat
Woods Monster. It seems like for some reason, West Virginia is like a
hub for these cryptid like creatures. Yeah, it's really interesting that you bring
Indrid into it, because have you have you had a chance to speak with
Greenfield, the author of The Secret Cipher of the Euphonats at all. No,
but I would like to me too. Yeah, I've really wanted to
talk to him because he came out with this like really thin little book which
is called The Complete Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts. And among the strange phenomenon
within that book is this injured cold character, this guy that keeps popping up
right around these times. The guy pops up with the Secret Cipher of the
Euphonauts pops up in West Virginia, has connections to apparently Valiant Thor. I
mean, it just goes on and on. This dude just keeps popping up,
and it kind of reminds me of the smiling man. You know,
that creepy myth that is all over you know all social media channels. Now
have you seen this face? And it's a guy that looks like he's out
of his mind with a creepy smile. But this had a lot to do
with ufology. Back in the fifties. People would see this creepy guy with
a strange smile, and these rumors circulated about the same character injured cold or
injured coal, and you know, it makes you wonder, is it was
it just a government spook who got a bad rap, who was trying to
disinform society and just happened to be unfortunately, you know, like a crisis
actor at all these events, or is it a very real phenomenon. And
I think Alan Greenfield kind of had some insight into that, But yeah,
I would love to talk to him. I think it's interesting. Yeah,
and also with the Men in Black, because the Men in Black were kind
of spotted all around the Men in Black's thumbprints are all over the Mothman sightings,
and uh, you know, it makes you think because I'm pretty sure
injured Cole is depicted wearing like a black suit. He's like always smiling,
and I'd have to refresh on the story, but I think that he spoke
telepathically to the first person that he encountered close to Parkersburg, West Virginia before
the Mothman sightings, a gentleman. It's not this car in the middle of
the highway or something, and then there was like a craft in the middle
of the highway. Or I might be getting the story confused, but now
you're one hundred percent this dude just keeps potting. And it's one of those
things where you're like bs and you start looking into it, and the more
you look into it, the more it pops up. It's like one of
those thorns in your side, you know. I think it's popped up with
Hellier, It pops up with Kenneth Grant, Alistair Crowley, some ties to
high strangeness in anyway, all kinds of other things, and you have this
character and you know, I don't know, man, it seems as if
he is very much along the lines of that men in black not quite human.
You know. It reminds me a lot of what you hear, a
lot of the quote unquote tip of the capstone of ufology these days as far
as intelligence and what they say to many who you know, they've drawn a
lot of attention by saying, you know that they walk among us, and
they have for some time, and this has been met with all kinds of
different form of attack, you know, laughter, comedy, you know.
But yeah, there's there's there seems to be this advanced working group in in
the government, in ufology circles and in the private sector, which are under
the impression that these not quite human entities walk among us, and from time
to time they have a hard time kind of pulling off the uh fitting in
aspect of humanity. And I think this, this character is one of them.
And you find, you know, I don't know, you find all
kinds of instances where for lack. I mean in Vegas, for example,
there's there's a very prevalent rumor. And I've heard this from casino workers.
I heard it from the late John Lear, I've heard it from people other
people, and it's it's basically that you know, these things like to go
to public places from time to time, and that sometimes they sort of glitch
out or they don't know how to socially interact with humans, and it can
turn into quite the mess. And there was a story I spoke with a
B and B owner in Green River, Utah, where the Green River Launch
Complex used to be, which was like a super secretive sort of like White
Sands, you know, like this launch complex that eventually was completely abandoned and
it's just weird why it was there, but they would see this. This
B and B owner said that, you know, for being abandoned from time
to time, she believed that these military semi trucks and other military trucks would
come in and utilize underground facilities at this launch complex for various reasons, and
that from time to time when this would take place, they would see these
strange people. You know, and I've been out there. It's like this
this gravel road going out to an abandoned military facility where all the fences are
busted down and you can go. Not a big deal, but they would
see these like nineteen fifties cars come out of there that were like in perfect
condition, like low mileage, and these these m ib looking characters. And
one particular time, she's still there, still runs a B and B,
and she said that one particular time at this diner, one of them started
glitching out. In fact, the woman. There were two guys and a
woman, and they all seemed to be very like robotic a m I be
dressed to the nineteen fifties era. The woman had like the beehive hairdo,
and she literally glitched out, you know, a lot like Hillary Clinton has
on from time to time or other people you know in politics, but where
it literally looked as if, in you know, her words, that there
was a glitch with the with the operating system. And I remember she said
that this lady with the beehive just kept like moving her head, trying to
trying to like recalibrate, and it wasn't happening, and so these two guys
had to walk her off and put her back into the car and leave,
and a ton of people saw it. So I don't know, I mean,
this is more modern times. But yeah, the mb thing just keeps
coming up. Well. It's interesting because I think a lot of these buzzwords
and a lot of the things that I've spoken about this a couple of times
on the show have alternate and double meanings, and the public thinks that it
means one thing, but it actually means something completely different. It's like a
psychological operation almost, when people have been programmed to hear certain words and they
take those words literally, or to take those words in a different kind of
way, like cross or tree, like alien invasion. You know, alien
takes on a completely different meaning when you just add one word in front of
it, just add a legal onto it, and it takes on a whole
other meaning. And yeah, it makes a lot more sense whenever they say
that they're all around us and they've always been here when you put illegal in
front of the word, because they are and they always have been right,
and it takes on a different type of a whole other meaning, and it's
a literal meaning, and the same with like you know, crash retrieval.
You know, crash retrieval can be anything. It can be a down satellite,
it can be a down aircraft, it could be a military aircraft.
And something that I've realized is it doesn't matter how much time has passed in
between something crashing and it being discovered. So something could have been found that
is hundreds and hundreds or maybe even thousands of years old and it becomes discovered
that would still be considered a crash retrieval. But the problem is is that
people within the community, whenever they hear the word crash retrieval as it's related
to UFOs and extraterrestrials, they think that it's something modern. They think that
it's something that happened just recently, that someone saw the craft go down and
then they went to examine it or excavate it, or the military solid on
some kind of radar, or they got a call from another country to come
in grab an exotic craft that they don't know what it is. When it's
possible that the crash retrieval could be something that was dug up in an archaeological
dig in the Middle East that could be hundreds or thousands of years old.
And that's what is interesting to me about the Bobblesar case. Like you know,
and a lot of people have different feelings about Bobblesar, but one thing
they was interesting that stuck out to me whenever he's telling this story is that
he said that he was under the impression that at least one of the craft
that he witnessed or that he worked on, he was under the impression that
it was dug up, that it was found in an archaeological dig. And
then when you look at the Wilson documents as well, regardless if you think
that the Wilson documents are real or fake, I personally believe that they're fake.
And some people would argue with that, especially Richard. Richard Dolan would
put his life on the line to say that the Wilson documents are real.
But John Greenwald Junior has really disproven the whole Wilson documents. But it's interesting
with the Wilson documents because it claims that they have possession, like the government
has possession of a craft, but they're not sure what it is, and
they think that it could fly. Well, putting the emphasis on that you
think that it can fly and you think that it may be some sort of
anti gravity craft, it means that you've never seen it actually do what it's
supposed to be doing. No one witnessed what you thought what you think that
it can do. So where did it come from? That come? In
my mind? I'm thinking a well, you know, maybe it was a
dug up. Maybe a lot of these uh crafts that we think are coming
from other worlds and other planets aren't coming from other worlds, or they're not
coming from extraterrestrials. They're actually coming from the planet itself and they're just old
technology from a previous civilization or previous species that was here. Yeah, it's
it's a big it's a cluster because when it comes to intelligence. And I'm
glad you mentioned the Wilson documents because you know, you hear how Eric Davis
was forced to meet with this guy Wilson in a parking lot, and and
and I and I understand the the reality or at least what seems to be
an apparent reality that Greenwald has debunked this. However, has he And the
reason I say that is what better governmental loud speaker or speaking piece than John
Greenwald where you can have him say whatever you want through a simple FOYA sent
to his address. So I find that he is quite literally controlled opposition.
You know, if there's anything they would like to throw or cast doubt upon,
it's very easy. The Freedom Information Act is very technical if you've looked
at it, because misinformation and disinformation is legally accepted as information and it can
also be sent out if national security is involved. So he's the ultimate mouthpiece
if you wanted to detract from any potential secretive behavior by the same toe.
And I argue that sometimes many of the same forces are controlling the more extreme
Well wow, something just flew by my window. I hope that was a
bird, the more extreme crazy stories in ufology. I argue that many times
characters in the intelligence community are actually at both ends of this sort of throwing
up guardrails, you know, along the narrative that they would like, which
is usually in the middle, and they don't want people to get too crazy
on it. And if they do. They want to know who they are
and they don't want people to get to debunky on it. And if they
do get super debunky, they want to know who they are because those are
also assets they can control in real time and other scenarios and information and that
data is quite literally, you know, the gold of disclosure, right That's
that's what you want to be able to. That is the currency of disclosure
is having people you can control or assets. And I would argue that a
lot of people who claim to be uncontrollable are assets, and among those,
you know, they don't know it in a lot of cases. So you
know, you're asking to debunk the Wilson documents, and you send a Freedom
of Information Act request and you get something back, and you read that as
if it's gospel, when in reality you realize that we are kind of dealing
with the two wings of the same birds. So you know what he had
done though, is he examined the actual stamp on the document. Though it
wasn't that he read something or the four year requests came back and said that
the document wasn't real. He was examining the stamp on the Wilson document and
he's seeing that there was inconsistencies and incongruencies that other documents don't have, so
that the stamp wasn't right on the Wilson document like it's right on all the
other documents that he has gotten in. So it's an interesting thing working with
working with documents and being able to spot something that could be fake might not
be fake. I mean the hard part is you can get those stamps,
Like you can buy those stampers, like you can put it on anything,
which is super crazy. I have a bunch of them, so like,
and you know, you can get them and you can either make an like
you said, an illegitimate document look legitimate, or you could do the opposite,
and you can do so after the fact, you could actually have a
legitimate document and then you could nail it with like one of these stampers.
And that's just what it does. You Like, I'm sure you've seen them.
You know this one's true, dot, But you can get them from
everywhere, and the government used quite often. It's sort of like the new
version of the wax seal. Remember like how people had the signet rings and
they would put the wax seal like, oh it's official. So but yeah,
one hundred percent. I've seen that, and it's interesting, but it
reminds me a lot, you know, of the you know, when when
it comes to these quote unquote aliens, because in a lot of the documentation,
as you said, the word alien is written everywhere in government documents.
However it's assumed, as you said, that it is people not of this
country, which would technically qualify in all accounts. Right, all you have
to do is put illegal before that word, like you said, and you
already you all of a sudden have like a whole new a whole new genre
of you can say whatever you want basically. And we find this with you
know, many of the stories that revolve around Corso and the Foreign Technology desk.
You know who foreign technology. It could be from out of this world,
yes, but it could also just be you know, a couple of
thousand miles away, so in another country. So it's really difficult because I
find that these vague terms are how a lot of the government documentation is passed
back and forth and people can basically say whatever they want to say and not
be found out. And a really good example is UAP. You know,
everybody was looking for UFO for decades they were using these other three letters thinking
they were all spycraft and yeah, lo and behold, it took a while
for people to find out. Yeah, and then I mean there's a lot
of proof of people just coming up with it, you know, doing fake
documents. My my friend Paul Knight did one for a April Fool's joke.
He created a fake CIA document for one of his friends exclaiming that the CIA
was investigating this Facebook group. Looked really legit. And then a couple of
years later he sees that document, that fake document that he made pop up
on someone's YouTube channel and they're taking it as truth. They're like, oh,
here, look, this is really real. The CIA isn't investigating this
Facebook group, you know. I mean, and that's how easy it is.
And I just had a Richard Dodion the other day, and you've had
him on a couple of times as well, and he was supplying fake documents
that half of the freaking UFO community. Yeah, I mean job description with
Linda Moulton Howe and right, and it's like here does this pass the sniff
test? Yeah? And it's it's amazing, man, you know that the
alien thing with them walking among us have you looked at all into uh,
organic robatoids? Have you looked into that? No? What is that?
So there was this guy, a doctor Peter David Beater, who was this
authoritative source up until the point where he came out with this wait wait wait
his name is Peter Beeter. Yeah, I swear, I swear doctor Peter
David Beeter and Peter some call him, uh Peter David better, but I
like Peter and doctor Peter Beeter at your service. Yeah, super respected though,
like it's it's beard. He was like this way respected doctor. Everything
he said was gospel, and and then he came out with this theory about
organic robotoids, which was like synthetic humans, and he lost all credibility at
that point. But there's some pretty interesting, you know, stuff out there
about these synthetic organisms. And I think it was like in the same year
the iPhone came out, there was a new article that came out about the
progress and how they have created these synthetic organisms that literally are like living robots.
They call him xenobots. And this didn't come out again until about twenty
in the twenty twenties, like maybe twenty twenty one, and these xena bots
go figure right after twenty twenty. But these xenobots are a type of programmable
organism made from frog cells and they basically replicate by spontaneously gathering up loose stem
cells and so they can self replicate. But this is, uh, you
know, it's weird, like this whole this whole organic robotoid. It's something
you have to check out because it sounds a lot like, you know,
some of these MIBs basically glitching out, like what we were talking about before,
where they look sort of alien but they're human. They glitch out,
they're not really they are biological, but they're also robotic and they have a
limited shelf life and uh yeah, I don't know. It reminds me of
the movie Multiplicity where they can like almost pull it off but not quite right,
like there's something wrong with the clone. But I don't know. They're
NPCs. Basically, that's something you got to check out. As Peter Beeter,
Peter Beeter, doctor Peter Beeter, gotta get him on, bro get
on, not Peter Beeter. No, but I think that there is something
to that. If it's not straight up clones, then it's like human cybernetics,
human like cyborgs or something like that. I mean, they've had to
have had that technology for a really long time. I mean I got no
proof, no evidence, just personal thought in theory. But they would definitely
have to have some sort of because what better way to run an operation and
not let people know exactly what you're doing than bring any cyborg or bring in
some sort of non biological mixed with biological entity, because then you can you
can get away with whatever you want. Then do whatever you want then,
because there would be nobody to blow the whistle. You just throw them into
a trash compactor and that's it, or you you know, flip off,
turn off their off switch and boom, it's done. You've gotten away with
whatever it is, whatever kind of operation, whatever kind of maybe even assassination
that you wanted to do, and no one has to go to jail the
perpetrator. There's no consequences. M hm. And you know what's strange about
that is there are images from this same era and this is going back,
this is going I mean, these are these are not you know, in
the two thousand, this we're talking about older stuff where there is like older
images black and white images of people working on these allegedly at DARPA. Uh,
there's actually quite quite. I mean, you could you could fill like
a banker's box of all the ones. I've seen. Some of them look
faker than others, but you know, they usually have more or less along
the back, like like a seam or a zipper, and uh, that's
where everything is accessed. And you know, it seems far fetched, but
then again, I mean you look at these, you know, these these
robots by SpaceX or elon the you know, the Tesla robots. And I
mean I know people that have orders for those who are like waiting for like
to receive those And first of all, I think they have entirely too much
money. But who the hell would want this in their home? And I
know people that have ordered this and they're like literally waiting for this robot to
show up at their house. And it can do everything they are alleging.
You know, it can clean up, it can take out garbage, it
can do all this stuff. And if you threw a silicone suit on it,
could you really tell, you know that it is a robot? I
don't think. I don't think we could, and I don't I don't.
I don't know entirely that we realize how long this has been going on.
And if it's been going on an extremely long time, then it should be,
by all intents and purposes perfected by now, like you said, you
don't need to do certain things because you can just fire one of these up
and have it done for you. Well, have you heard of the Ferby
the Furby Conspiracy? No, let's hear this. I love it. Well,
apparently I have something to do with the NSSA, And the NSA was
putting in these listening devices into all of the Ferbies and all the Furbies were
collecting all of this data and all this information about all of the all the
households the Ferbies were in in the late nineties into the early two thousands because
Furbies were super freaking popular. And then when you think of well, I
just watched this documentary on Netflix called the American Conspiracy the Octopus Murders. Have
you looked into that at all? Yeah? He actually just I talked to
a guy that know that knows not only the guy that came out with the
documentary, but knew the guy who was killed in the hot tub. I
believe his name was Dan, and he kind of went into detail about this
this scenario and what they really knew and how the software this this was out
you know way back then, this software was out there that was you know,
it falls right into a line with a lot in the line with a
lot of the conspiracies out there that we have you know, software or basically
zero point quantum computing that they claim doesn't exist, but that it is in
fact around. And it kind of makes sense because we have these huge data
centers popping up everywhere that look like Fort Knox and have security that far outweighs
the security of banks, even because they say data is the new gold.
And yet we are expected to believe that all these all these for lack of
a better word, listening centers right private and governmental, are basically collecting data
for the time when we have this quantum computing available to go through it all
instantaneously and without any real return on investment. But you know the argument is
that we have had you know, this software around, and I think that
kind of touches on it a little bit. But no, I haven't seen
the documentary yet. I need to watch it. Did you get a chance
to watch it. Yeah, it's really interesting. So basically what happened was
that this gentleman was the software engineer and software company signed a contract with the
Department of Defense to create this data software to track criminals and like track court
cases and bring certain relating factors from different cases all together to like cross examine
them. And the Department of Justice ended up bankrupting his entire company and stop
paying him and stole the software. Well, it turns out that they wanted
they put a backdoor into the software in order for them to collect all the
data from that the software was presenting to people, and they would sell that
software to different countries intelligence communities, So then the United States had access to
all of the other intelligence communities in all the different countries that they sold the
software to. One of the first people that they sold it to was Canada,
so they had the access to whatever Canada was using the software to do.
The United States government had access to figure out what it is that they
were using the software for as well, and it eventually spread out to almost
every country, well not every country, but a lot of different countries.
So it was basically setting up a The United States was setting up a surveillance
world, and then what do we get? What's the next evolving thing from
that? Right, what do we start getting in the early two thousands cell
phones, right, listening devices, data collection. So they spread it out
from because they were not only selling it to their enemies, but they were
also selling the software to their ally as well. They're like, okay,
well, how do we do this on a grander scale? You know,
how do we get people like the individual everyday personal, you know person,
how do we get them with that? Well, we'll give them all cell
phones. That's not in the documentary, but that's just my thought process of
the evolving nature of it. They don't have to do that anymore. They
don't have to create a software and sell it to a different country to spy
on them. They already have the spy everyone's already got the spy software in
their hands, in their pocket, you know. So that's why the dots
that I was connecting from watching the documentary and that because that was what started
like thirty years ago. You know. The whole software is called Promise.
It's called Promise software that this guy Bill, I forget what his last name
is, I just watched it. Last name, So I'm not. Oh
no, everyone's names and oh yeah, but you should talk to His name
is doctor A true At, and he's you know, he was actually dealing
with this stuff, and he's had a really interesting career doing different things,
and he knows a lot of interesting people in Washington, and this particular story
shocked him. You know that it made Netflix. Basically, he was shocked
that it was in the public domain. And I can see why because there
is, you know, also this project called Pagasus, not the one with
and with Pisiago, not the time travel thing, not the super space program
time travel and Super Soldier one. Well, and I should not say that
it's not connected, but there is a project called Pagasus, which is a
spyware developed by an NSO group and as of March of last year, as
of one year ago, it's called Pagasus, and they said that Pegasus operators
could remotely install spywear on anybody's cell phone with a zero click exploit. So
that just means all you need is their phone number and you can install this
this this spyware, and like you said, it's been utilized by law firms,
courtrooms, et cetera. And you no longer have to do like you
know, the nineteen seventies. You know, oh, I've got a chip
and we'll stick it in the uh, in the back of the FM transmitter
and all that. All that stuff, you can literally just purchase, for
lack of a better word, Pagasus from nso Group, which is literally,
uh, it's an Israeli cyber arms company with ties to the CIA, and
I you know, many argue that it is the CIA and they're just doing
business through n SOO Group to covertly kind of hide who's in control. But
people have known that with Massad for a long time. But yeah, all
you need is somebody's phone number and you can you can remotely install this spyware
and you can look it up. It's out there, and people still don't
believe that we are all being listened to. It's crazy. Well, that's
another thing that they do, too, Ryan, is that they try and
hide legitimate, real program names under like fantasy things. It's another misdirection.
It's just like the buzzwords have alternate meanings as well. While the names of
these programs also have alternate meanings too. I mean we've seen that with you
know, Operation Looking Glass, like people talking about that. This is you
know, people in the community are like, oh, Project looking Glass was
a project to see into the future and see what events are going to happen
in the future and see brought in time. And then there's four of them
all. Russia's got one, Germany's got one, United There's got one.
There's one just floating around in space or whatever. Well, Operation looking Glass
is a real operation, but it was to put a nuclear command post in
space. Seeing with the Stargate project, you know, everyone in the community
all the Stargate project was a time traveling a twenty and back portal that would
take you into space, and then adri Rushiu and then all this stuff and
then well, no, Stargate project was a real government program for remote viewing
and psychic ability as a data collection program. And it's the same with this
Pegasus thing that you're talking about. You know, we have the hairy fairy
mystical nonsense that people think that these programs actually are, and then there's the
real program, which is which is a way to cover up with the mystical
nonsense. Harry, fairy stuff is a way to cover up the real thing.
That's the way that I look at it. Anyway, because if you
have people talking about a bunch of fairytale nonsense, then the real thing can
just be swept up underneath the rug and no one will ever know about it
because they're all convinced that is something completely different. It's the exact same thing
with the words that we were just talking about, you know, twenty minutes
ago. It's the exact same thing. It's a misdirection. It's misdirection and
misinformation, disinformation and deception. That's what Richard Dody caught it. Deception operation
right. It's a deception, is what it is. It It what better
way to hide everything in plain sight that when you look up something like Project
looking Glass, or when you look up something like Project Pegasus, it takes
you to a crazy time travel conspiracy rabbit hole, and it doesn't tell you
about this this uh covert spyware that's being used by almost every country to listen
on its people. And of course this stuff is very real. You can
look it up. You can look up the NSO group, you can look
up Pegas's spyware. And you know the craziest thing about it is they've been
trying to find out a way. This is where it gets really scary to
detect. They can't even detect if it's on your phone, like like they're
trying to look and it was what's wild about that? Is h January of
this year, twenty twenty four, Kaspersky Labs said in a press release that
they think they found a way to detect it, and you have to Basically,
it's only effective if the device is rebooted the same day that it's installed.
And the only and the only way that you can detect it is through
digital forensics. So so I mean it's virtually undetectable. They can they can
download it remotely, and a bunch of countries, you know, claim,
oh, well, this is being used against criminals and terrorists, And the
bottom line is it's like you said, it's now it's anybody with the cell
phone, anybody with the cell phone, and they can target, you know,
anybody they want, and then they can get them to either play ball
or control them in some way, because it is tied to the justice and
legal systems. Yeah, and it serves as the best cover up. That's
why I believe that the whole alien and extraterrestrial thing is a cover up,
and not in the way that people think that it's a cover up. I
think it's another mistraction and another disuption. I guess you got people believing in
space, aliens and extraterrestrials. Then it paves a way to cover up advanced
technology, advanced military drones, and what technology we might actually have. And
that to me is the real reason for the buzzword national security threat. It's
not a national security threat because there's extraterrestrials. It's a national security threat because
if other countries find out that it's our technology, then we're exposed and they
know it. That's why the buzzword is used as national security threat. I
see it has an alternate meaning. It has a different meaning than what people
assume that it actually means. And normally it's the most logical and critical thing
that you can think of. But intelligence communities have ufology and a lot of
these groups thinking that it's something different, that they're right, whenever they're actually
wrong, and they've been telling us the truth the entire time. Deception right,
deception after deception, tricking people into believing that it's kind of like gas
lighting in a way, sort of, you know, like you see something
and they tell you that you didn't see it, even though that you see
there's a relation there between you know, they're they're doing a little gas lighting
there as well. So it's like, well, you know what's going on,
And when you go and you examine these words and you take the critical
thought process and the common sense behind exactly what they're seeing, it's completely different
than what our preconceived notions and our preconceived thoughts due to the programming of this
community wants us to believe. Yeah, it's it's it's weird because I find
that a lot of these pathways, whether they be intelligence oriented or like the
physical nuts and bolts aspects like technology, that there there's such they have such
a massive bandwidth that sometimes they tend to backfire among these working groups. And
what I mean by that is it's a lot like magic, right, It's
it's a lot like magic itself, where you have like this uh sorcerer of
the magic of the black magic cult of whatever, and he has to be
careful because there's there's always the ability for someone else to utilize this sorcery against
them. And I think it's the same with technology. It's you know,
with these technical details, it is a lot like uh, like a like
a magical circumstance because it's backfired. And and not to go back too much
on the project Pegas's stuff, but do you remember when Saudi Arabia got caught
like murdering that guy in the embassy, Jamal Kashogi. Yes, where they
like hacked into pieces and it was all caught on his eye watch. Well,
that project that that's Pegas's spyware was used by Saudi Arabia to spy on
Jamel Kashogi. That's how they found everything out about it and why they lured
him into the embassy to do what they did. And then by a strange
twist of fate, his eye watch again technology caught it all, started recording
for EMS services and sort of threw him under the bus. So I argue
that technology and magic and you know, really this this information and disinformation,
it's sort of a it's a catch twenty two. It's a double edged sword.
It goes both ways. So it's going to be interesting how this is
used in the future, especially with AI and you know, our freedom's disappearing
at a very quick rate. Yeah, and also with you know technology,
it's like we're not going to get anything publicly that can't be dual use,
that they can't use in some sort of nefarious way. You know, they're
not going to give us any kind of technology that can't be used against this,
just like you know with the problem of software, they're putting a back
door into the software. And I was in the late eighties into the early
nineties. You know, it's like, well, you know what all has
advanced since then, and what have they been doing? They were doing that
then, and see people like to say, oh, well, that was
back then. There's no way that they're doing anything like that now, just
like with the MK ultra programs, when you know, you bring it up
to normal everyday people you know that aren't in this community, you tell them
about it. The CIA was doing mind control experiments in the early fifties into
the seventies, and they'll be like, oh, well that was back then.
They're not doing that anymore, you know what I mean. And I
think that that's really the way that it works. They have to kind of
the reaches like a period of time where the kind of the NDA is expired
on it, because there's been enough time passing between it where they kind of
have to come in and be like, oh, yeah, well we were
doing this thirty years ago, but magically we're not doing it anymore. Right,
So it's like to let the public be aware. But then it's like
the public just kind of brushes it off as like a one time thing,
which makes zero sense. I mean, the project, the Promise solftware was
very successful, and with it being very successful, it would need to change
and evolve. And that's another thing with like the Stargate project. I've done
a deep dive into the remote viewing I've read all the documents and done a
lot of research into that, and that program worked regardless if the CIA said
that no intelligence data was ever collected. The evolving nature of remote viewing,
there's another step to it. There's another application that it can be used for
the way that other programs have worked. You look at it and you're like,
Okay, well they're definitely still doing it. They're definitely still using that
technology, but it's just a different kind of application. That's the way that
I feel about the remote viewing programs. This way I feel about this promise
software. That's how I feel about really anything that has success and works.
They're going to continue doing it. But it's just going to be continued with
a different application in mind. Then it's going to be named something completely different,
just like the change from flying saucers into UFOs, from UFOs to UAPs,
from UAPs to USOS. It's a switching of the name of what you
call it. So therefore anything that came before it can't really be lumped into
the same category. It's something completely different. What are your thoughts on It's
kind of shocking. It's cool that you had Rickdodion because he claims there is
a new version right of this remote viewing that is more technical. What are
your thoughts on that? Well? I was kind of shocked whenever he told
me that, because I thought that I had came to that conclusion on my
own. I don't listen to other people. I don't really listen to other
people's shows. I get all my information. It feels like it comes from
me. Now, people can say whatever they want, but it's normally through
research and looking into things and reading right, and then I formulated my own
conclusions and my own ideas based off of the things that I look into.
And I had come to that conclusion early on through reading through all the Stargate
documents, all the remote viewing documents, the SRI documents, the DIAD documents,
the Army intelligence documents, and I was like, okay, well,
they definitely kept going with this, but it's speculation. It's just theory and
idea. And I brought that up to a few of the remote viewers that
were officially a part of the Stargate program, and a few of them kind
of agreed with me, and a few of them just completely shut me down
immediately. So I kind of just really stopped talking about it because I just
hit a dead end with it. And then when he brought it up in
our interview, I was like, because someone made a comment. They were
like, Doughty claims that it's They called it something else. It started with
an A yeah, TPA, yes, And I had never heard that before.
And I brought the comment up on the screen and uh, Doughty commented
on it, and I was like, that's really interesting because it sounds like
remote influencing. Sounds like implanting thoughts and ideas and beliefs into someone's head remotely
and being able to control them, not even in the same area as them.
And Limb Buchanan, which I've had on my show quite a few times
now says that it's one hundred percent possible, and I can prove that as
possible because I have documentation telling people how to do it, so I know
that it's real, and that would be the next step that I could feasibly
see them going in after the Stargate program got shut down, which was all
about data collection on foreign targets, you know, retrieving information, getting information,
and giving it back to the intelligence community. Regardless if they used it
or not, it was still an application of it. And I was like,
well, this remote influencing would be the next logical step in the evolving
nature of remote viewing. And I was like, that program sounds like remote
influencing, which DOTI called it, you know, something different, But I
was like, that's those were my exact same thoughts. So I was kind
of mind blown in that that he was told, I believe by a general.
He said it in our interview that a general told him that that's pretty
much what the program was, and that it's ran by the CIA. And
that's another thing that I immediately thought as well. I was like, well,
why would the CIA shut down this program in ninety five when they had
all the success with it, and the only two options that I came to
the conclusion of was one they already had a program, and two they found
a different application for it. And that different application for it, they couldn't
carry over the people that was already in that program into a new program that
does something that involves remote viewing but not what they're used to. So theory
speculation that they shut down that program to open up a remote influencing program or
a remote control program. Lim Buchanan calls it both remote remote control. That's
essentially what it is. It's putting thoughts and ideas and beliefs inside of your
head. And limb Buchanan was actually approached with asking him if he could kill
somebody with his mind, and I was like, holy shit, if you
can make if you can do assassinations remotely, what a skill? What a
skill? Like you can raise someone's blood pressure to such a level that they
have a heart attack and die. Would that not be something if you were
an intelligence community? Would that not be something that you would want to do.
But then Lynn was like, well, I kind of came to this
conclusion on my own. He didn't outright say this but I was like,
oh, well, what would be because that kind of seems a little redundant
and kind of unclimactic just to give someone a heart attack and kill them,
Right, what you would want to do is remotely influence someone else to commit
the assassination or the killing for you, because that's way more. That gives
a much bigger upheaval. That's a political upheaval when someone does when there's like
a victim and there's like a culprit for it. If you're just outright,
you know, killing people with your mind, then it's like, uh,
I think doctor David Morehouse put it this way, or and maybe it was
Shane the Ruiner. He was like, oh well, it's kind of like
a sam Bin Laden just dying in a cave. You know that's not exciting,
right, You want Seal Team six going in there and taking him out.
That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, man, it is that
TPA. You know Rick. The amazing thing about Rick Dodie is for for
all the shade that people throw at him, when you when you hit him
with a lot of those hard questions, it becomes obvious that he really does
know, you know, things that others don't and you know, to be
completely honest, he's saved I can't go into it, but he's saved my
tail in the past. And he was telling me about well, similar to
like the Stargate project, where you have a project shut down and then it's
renamed or reprack packaged or rebranded. There was an LLC that was trying to,
uh, basically have me sign some stuff, and through a mutual friend,
I reached out to Rick and he, in so many words, he
said, well, you know that LLC has thirty eight sub LLC's and I've
worked with them a long time and basically run like, don't sign. And
yeah. It's in times like those that you realize that Rick really does know
his stuff. And it makes you wonder with things like remote viewing and TPA,
how different is it really as you've said then, you know, way
back when you look at the work of like John d and his Imperial Vision,
you know, utilizing magic in the Inochian language to basically, you know,
tell the British Crown just wait, I think a storm is going to
come and it's going to sink all of these ships and we don't even have
to engage. We can go in and clean up afterwards. And like you
said, it's implanting that into the into the universe, into the universal consciousness,
basically alchemically planting those seeds and waiting for the evidence of what takes place
afterwards. And yeah, it how different is remote viewing TPA from Actually it's
rebranded, it's renamed, But how different is it really from you know,
going and seeing you know, a woman with a crystal ball or looking at
the works of John d These are all areas where you have laboratories like pair
Monroe Institute. The list goes on and on where you know, this stuff
has been studied and funded by the government for a long time. And as
you said, at the end, they always say, oh there's no data,
no, no, no proof, but they sure keep funding it.
So it makes you wonder what's going on. They just rebrand, rename,
repackage, and refund and keep that shell game moving because that's that's the big
thing. They don't want to don't connect the dots. It's always it's always
destroy one and then oh, look we have this other project, or we
have this other LLC, or we have this other deal going on, and
we see that in so many different forms that it really makes you wonder,
you know what is really taking place? Well, that's how people hide and
keep from getting in trouble is they have multiple companies and other companies own other
companies. There's twenty different and it makes us so complicated and difficult to figure
out what's going on. So they're perfectly hidden. And uh, I mean,
there's genius. What its evil? Genius? You know it is.
It's it's literally magic because just the word corporation. Just think about that limited
liabilit liability corporation or LLC. A corporation is basically an entity without a corpse,
an entity without a body that you are magically creating that can own things,
do business, stash cash, and it makes you wonder. You know,
it is literally magic. You know this? This maritime law included a
bunch of spell work in the spelling of the words that we use in our
legal system. And I think corporation is an excellent one because it's necromancy.
It's a dead entity that isn't alive, but it's able to function as a
living, breathing human being and you can't do anything to it because it has
limited liability. It's not there. So what are we creating. It's like
creating a bunch of little you know, whether you want to call them a
monculous or creating a bunch of little gollums, or you're basically creating these little
entities that aren't human, don't exist, but they are accomplishing, as you
said, in a lot of cases, a lot of evil things without any
repercussions. That's right, and that is the way that it is done.
And through all the name changes, the name switches, the funding coming from
multiple directions, and the miss and disinformation and deception operations that's been ran,
it's becomes increasingly difficult at every turn to get to the bottom of anything,
not even just in the communities that were associated with, but just in anything
whatever it is that you want to figure out, it's just as difficult.
But Ryan, thanks so much brother for coming on. Really appreciate your time
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