WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.759 My name is Will, and unlike Boulder and Scully, both want to believe. 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:14.560 So we've embarked on a journey of discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Medicians Classic. 3 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:44.159 You are listening to Classic Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome to Classic, and welcome 4 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:49.039 to our version of a walkdown memory Lane as we present classics from the Skeptic 5 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:56.520 Metaphysician Library. Warts and all. Hey everyone, welcome back to the Skeptic 6 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.719 Metaphysician. I'm Will, and once again today I'm joined by my fabulous co 7 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.599 host Karen Emsley. Karen, how are you doing? I am doing great 8 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:06.920 and love and be in here, so thank you for inviting me again. 9 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:08.480 My gosh, you are always welcome. You know you've got an open door 10 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:14.200 invitation here, Karen. Today we're going to talk about something that is near 11 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:17.920 and dear to my heart. For obvious reasons. Some of the loyal listeners, 12 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:19.680 people who've been listening to the show for a while, No, some 13 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:26.040 of the transformational aspects of this podcast and the journey that I'm on. But 14 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:29.840 have you ever gone through a big personal transformation? Well? I become a 15 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.760 mother, So I don't know what's bigger than that. Okay, Well, 16 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:38.079 has there ever been skeletons in your closet or demons that you kind of don't 17 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.239 particularly care for inside you that you try to xcize or anything like that? 18 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:46.799 Is it bad to say no? I mean, I've known it's wonderful that 19 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.519 if you've not had to have that experience, and that's great. Now I've 20 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.359 had things that happened, But as far as me having demons or skeletons, 21 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.400 I don't really feel. I mean, well, I think I think Carl 22 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:01.040 Jung would would disagree with you today. In a past interview, I was 23 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:06.079 introduced to the term shadow work by a past guest, and knowing me, 24 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.560 of course, listeners knew I was immediately intrigued by that term. So I've 25 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:14.120 done a little bit of research and it turns out that I've been doing my 26 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.319 own shadow work for the past year and a half without even realizing that's what 27 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.960 I was doing. Yes, I love the name. It just sounds so 28 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.560 intrigued. It really doesn't right, right, So what is it? What 29 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:25.879 is it? Exactly right? Well, it's it's all about demons and shadows 30 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.639 and skeletons and closet. And according to Carl Jung, who coined the phrase 31 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:35.280 shadow work. This is it's inside all of us, right, every one 32 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.800 of us has that side of us, and it's important to find a balance 33 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:46.199 between our dark side or shadow self and our light self. Right. So, 34 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.400 in order to talk about this, because I'm not a professional in any 35 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:54.319 sense of the word, here, we've got a special guest today. She's 36 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:58.759 no stranger to shadow work. In fact, it's because of her work in 37 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:00.800 that area that I reach out to to come on the show today. She's 38 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.599 an astrologer, a touro reader, a chandler, and get this, a 39 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:10.680 light and shadow integration consultant. Wow, yeah right. I am so excited 40 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:15.840 to have her on the show today. Welcome the cosmic consultant, Laura Black 41 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:16.840 to the show. Laura, thank you so much for coming on the show. 42 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:20.759 Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. Well where we could 43 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.360 not be more thrilled. In order to get the conversation going right, I 44 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:28.599 touched on a little bit about Carl Jung in shadow self and all that kind 45 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.080 of stuff. But can you give us a breakdown from your because you're the 46 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.840 expert right in shadow work, so can you give us a breakdown of what 47 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.599 exactly is shadow work? And why is it important? So it's so funny 48 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.879 that word expert. My little self note in Sagittarius, which is one of 49 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.520 my big shadow and having know it all syndrome, is like, yeah, 50 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:53.319 yeah, I'm totally an expert. Y you absolutely are. Yeah, once 51 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.719 you invited to come speak about a topic on a podcast, that makes you 52 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:01.479 an expert, We'll go with it all right. Then had to grapple with 53 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:08.199 quite a lot and in recent years found that that's where my clientele were really 54 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:12.000 focusing and that's what I'd been dealing with, and so it became my specialty. 55 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.159 But shadow work, in essence, Carlum did a great job of kind 56 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.959 of describing what it is, but didn't really talk about how to do it. 57 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.040 And I found that astrology has kind of bridged that gap for me, 58 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:26.399 which Carlum was really fascinated by. So shadow work is the idea that, 59 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.240 you know, all human beings have light and shadow inside of us. We 60 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.680 couldn't have one without the other. There's no saint that never lived a life 61 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.800 as a sinner or vice versa, and that in a time period like this, 62 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:41.600 which the Yogis would call the yugas the Greeks called it, the Ages 63 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:46.600 of Man. Every ancient culture on this planet has an awareness of these seasons 64 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.720 and cycles and a larger twenty six thousand year cycle of our sun soul with 65 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:56.800 serious b But that's another story. So in this time period that the Dark 66 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:00.600 Ages, so to speak, or the colleague, you got the a where 67 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.360 there is shadow and light in everyone. Theyre's just good and evil if you 68 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.560 want to take it to that like Judeo Christian kind of tradition, languaging, 69 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:12.079 and that we can't continue toward this awakening that's happening on the planet if we're 70 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.959 going to continue to deny the shadows, which is something we've been in practice 71 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:18.879 of as we creep, as we crept deeper and deeper into the Kaliyuga. 72 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:23.639 But if you've heard of the Mayan Long Count calendar, in December twenty one, 73 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.560 twenty twelve, was kind of the end of that Long Count calendar, 74 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:30.920 and there was a huge misconception in North America at least, that that meant 75 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.560 the end of the world, there's no more time after that, But it 76 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:38.519 was actually talking about this end of the or the midpoint of the kali Yuga, 77 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:44.720 the longest distance between our Sun and serious b in a thirteen thousand year 78 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.839 coming together in thirteen thousand year coming apart. So we're going through this awakening 79 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.240 where things look like they're getting messier, but actually they're getting better. It's 80 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:57.720 just the kind of momentous drag of turning the corner. And in this awakening, 81 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.800 there's a chance for us to use tools such as of astrology and many 82 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:06.000 others to self reflect and look at both our light qualities and our dark qualities. 83 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:10.600 And I love astrology as that tool because it's a map, not something 84 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.120 that rules you, but a blueprint that shows the soul contract that you made 85 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.360 with this life upon entry, and it shows you all of the potentials of 86 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:20.879 who you are and what you're doing here or who you could be. But 87 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:27.439 the soul decides how they access those energies. And everything in your chart has 88 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.560 a positive and a negative, a light in the dark and in the caliyuga. 89 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:35.519 We want to use both of them because these are souls trying to experience 90 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:39.720 what is it to suss out the light in the shadow and which one do 91 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:41.959 I want to be. That's why we're all here at this time. It's 92 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:46.439 the wildest ride in the multiverse to get soul evolution, which direction you want 93 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:48.959 to go, And there's so much diversity and so much conflict, and so 94 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:54.000 much potential because there's so much light and shadow, as opposed to when those 95 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:58.079 two stars are really close in this twenty six thousand year cycle, when all 96 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:01.759 of the beings on any planet orbit those stars or their highest point in human 97 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:08.399 culture or in conscious that whatever may look like and there is it's really pure 98 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:12.480 light, and when they're far apart, there's really present shadow. My work 99 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.160 is to help people move away from shadow denial and recognize all of the negative 100 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.439 qualities that come on come along with the gifts that they've been given. And 101 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:23.079 some of us are stuck in our shadows, which is where I'd been most 102 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.839 of my life, very unconsciously living from the shadow aspects of my chart. 103 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.800 And so now I get a chance to use the chart as a tool to 104 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:32.160 see, oh, yeah, I do this, I do that, what 105 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.600 does this mean? And every day I'm studying my chart and learning more about 106 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:41.839 my light and my shadow. And then I get to watch myself in daily 107 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.759 life and see where those tendencies crop up and make decisions about which side of 108 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.399 my Gemini or my Leo or my whatever I want to pull from, right, 109 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:56.319 it's fascinating. So I have so many questions but me too, but 110 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.920 one that isn't like a live So this is isn't necessarily the shadow of question. 111 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.800 It's right before that. You're talking about people in their charts in astrology. 112 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.279 So if I mean everyone all over the world people are being constantly born, 113 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.519 so are there people that have the exact same charts like a whole you 114 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.160 know, a whole budget gaps of people's totally you know, it's funny. 115 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.600 I have my romantic partner currently I know is chart well. And I had 116 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:26.240 a mentor while I was in astrology school a while back who has They were 117 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.439 born in different parts of the world. He's from Connacre, Guinea and she's 118 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.879 from Minnesota. They were for two minutes apart on the same day, and 119 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.639 there were kind of equal latitudes actually, and that's not true at all, 120 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.000 but they were close enough of the only gutting difference was their moon slan off 121 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.120 by two degrees. Every placement, every planetary placement in your chart has a 122 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.000 degree out of the three hundred and sixty degrees of this wheel we're looking at, 123 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.240 right, But the planets get more detailed than that. It's not just 124 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:56.759 degrees. There are also minutes and seconds, so it's very mathematical. Like 125 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:01.679 they say to row is for literature people, astrology is for mathematics people. 126 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.159 That's not true for me. I had not heard that before. That makes 127 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.440 a lot of sense. Yeah, it's very precise, thick goodness. I 128 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:09.879 was born in an area with computers, because if I had to handle all 129 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:15.639 these things, oh my goodness, charting with math, So these planetary replacements 130 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.559 by a minute and second can totally change the flavor. I have twin nephews, 131 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.240 so I'm always studying their charts. They're just a couple of minutes apart, 132 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:28.039 and they're totally different human beings. I mean physically, emotionally, mentally, 133 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.159 they're totally different, but the same general energy. Because the souls that 134 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:35.720 show up in that chart choose how they're going to pull from that blueprint, 135 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.480 so we're free agents. Chart doesn't rule us. It's never an astrologer's job 136 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:43.559 to tell you this is how you are, but it is an astrologer's job 137 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.559 try to help you get a bigger perspective, the more thorough perspective about who 138 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.720 you could potentially be, who you might be being that you don't want to 139 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:56.039 be, so you kind of we get aware. A lot of the longtime 140 00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:01.120 listeners will probably have listened to the astrology episode that we had where we did 141 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:07.159 have someone come and pull my chart and I learned a lot about myself during 142 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:11.799 that that episode, but also a lot of people that are listening learned a 143 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:13.879 lot about me. And in fact, I had to edit out a lot 144 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.320 this shadow It was just yeah, it was you know, she she had 145 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:22.200 That's where I got the term shadow work because she did say, Wow, 146 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.559 your your chart has a lot of shadow work, and that you've got to 147 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.679 do. You're you're undergoing and very similarly to you, I my entire life, 148 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.279 I've been living in the shadows without even realizing it until it became very 149 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.519 I mean a catastrophic event that forced me to look at you, shine a 150 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.240 spotlight and go, what WHOA, this is really dark in here? What 151 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:46.440 what is going on in there? And then and that has has sparked a 152 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.960 ridiculous transformation in me. Why which is why this is so intriguing to me, 153 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.159 because I'm learning all of these things like it is it is possible to 154 00:10:54.200 --> 00:11:00.559 go through life completely in a sleepwalking state, right, not even really all 155 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.799 the stuff that you're doing right, so, and I love how you stay 156 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:09.480 to something that makes so much sense to me. And I've asked the question 157 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.159 different people and no one has, but you just gave me the perfect answer 158 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:18.360 when you talked about I'll resist these serious be Harry Potter reference in there, 159 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:20.639 right, But when you say that, we're just it seems like it's things 160 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.639 are really getting crummy, but it's really getting better because we're round in the 161 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.639 corner. I've always asked that question, like, if everyone's saying we're about 162 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.639 to go through this whole age of awakening, why does it feel like we're 163 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:35.679 going in the opposite direction? And I've gotten some great answers, but I've 164 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.000 never gotten one as precise as what you just said. And it gives me 165 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.399 a lot more hope. So thank you for that. Oh good. Yeah, 166 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.159 I'm so curious sometime I want to hear about those other answers too, 167 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.799 because that's a question I've asked a lot. But it's big aquary and energy, 168 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:54.559 You're honest. Energy. It's revolutionary and it's it's the tower card interrow. 169 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.279 It shakes things apart, and it's very messy. This is don't future 170 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:03.960 trip people, but this is I'm going to do it book. I'm writing 171 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:07.759 a book. Someday I'll produce them book. It's called The Messy Awakening. 172 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.080 It's very much about the Age of Aquarius, how it's shaking things loose, 173 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:16.120 and it's hard to even stay in the mindset or the perspective or have hope 174 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.759 or trust that things are getting better. That we can you know that we 175 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:24.480 haven't destroyed everything already, from our own personal lives to this whole planet because 176 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.120 of that kind of drag and and the Uranian Aquarian shake up. So the 177 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.440 musical hair was correct. This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, 178 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.759 basically what you're saying. And you notice that you say iranus. Yes, 179 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.200 I like that Uranus. You can say that without giggling. Right, Well, 180 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.480 I've heard I've heard that. I've heard uranus. Well that still makes 181 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:48.440 me laugh. My astrology Teato didn't shy from saying, Okay, here's how 182 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:56.360 you find uranus in the chart. She's predictated. So I have a question 183 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.759 about the dark and the shadows or the shadows and the light. Is it 184 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.240 like inversely proportionate, like if if you are living and they have this great 185 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:07.639 light. Does that mean you're going to have this equal amount of dark shadows? 186 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:09.360 You know? So are you trying to achieve the medium where it's coind 187 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.960 of me? You know? How does that work? Yeah? So, 188 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.720 okay, I want to make clear the design of the zodiac, every planet, 189 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:20.720 every element, because it all just boils down to the four elements. 190 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:26.279 That's it. They all have light and shadow in equal proportions. Yes, 191 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:31.960 and souls get you know, the universe God souls. We're curious creatures and 192 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.120 we want to expand and understand ourselves more and more. And so we're going 193 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:41.360 to try every level of volume for all the lights and the shadow. But 194 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.639 it boils down to the same laws of physics that we experience in the physical 195 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:48.120 realm. There's no the greater the light, the greater the shadow, and 196 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:54.120 the inverse is true. And Carl Jung was famous for saying, no tree, 197 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.759 it is said, can reach the heavens. I let us its roots 198 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:00.720 grow down to Hell. Yeah, and this is you're and dear to my 199 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.519 heart. As one of my catastrophpic events that launched me into my shadow works 200 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:09.200 some years ago was discovering that I have bipolar disorder and grappling with what it 201 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.759 means to try to heal something so highly stigmatized and misunderstood, and that shows 202 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.960 up in such a variety of ways. And you know, self care became 203 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.399 the big subject of my life many many years ago for this and understanding. 204 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:26.279 The gift that comes along with the bit of hell is that I do reach 205 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:30.600 these, you know, in toward mania, we get to these, right, 206 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:35.480 So then by shadows that can be a whole array of I guess situations. 207 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.120 It's not just that you have these dark, evil deeds. It's not 208 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:41.279 like Star Wars the light and you know the war is not darkness or I 209 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:45.279 mean kind of in a way. Well no, but bipolar isn't something that 210 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.679 you do or cause you know, it's really about shining a light like a 211 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.200 Carl Jung has a quote that I love. It says, until you make 212 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.679 the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate 213 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:03.799 right that it's a great quote that speaks to me personally unbelievably. So it's 214 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:11.559 not just demons. It's also things that you're grappling with that isn't the accepted 215 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.799 Norman society. Okay, it's things that you have lived through without even realizing 216 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:22.600 you're unconscious coming to light, Then can I change my answer earlier? I 217 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:28.559 got some stuff all you said, I was like, we should talk about 218 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:33.159 what we feel like. I was like, I have done these bad deeds. 219 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.120 I'm like, I haven't really done bad stuff, but that I understand 220 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:37.960 it better now, So thank you for explaining that. Yeah, And I 221 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.080 think people get scared of the idea of darkness. I've had a couple of 222 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.759 people come onto my Instagram and be like, Wow, I like this thing 223 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:48.799 that you votes for that, and then they see that I really am I'll 224 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.080 talk like you asked earlier before we came out. If there's anything you don't 225 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:52.879 want posted, you know, you can let me know which is. I 226 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.159 love that consideration, and my answer is put it all out there, like 227 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:58.960 I'm an eighth House center, No, my son, and I'm here for 228 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:06.240 Scorpionic. Let's hear the my south note and zas, let's talk about it. 229 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.039 That's been part of my journey as well. I think that the only 230 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.720 way to truly heal from things is to be completely authentic. Right, So 231 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:18.679 though the details of what happened don't necessarily concern folks out there because it involves 232 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.879 other people. It's still about being your authentic self and saying, hey, 233 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:25.639 this is who I am, this is what happened, this is what I'm 234 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.279 trying to do to fix it. And as long as we all shine that 235 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:33.279 light on that unconscious part of ourselves, I can tell you I didn't know 236 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.559 how much of a jerk I was until I was forced to face it. 237 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:38.279 And now I realized, WHOA, I don't want to be that guy, 238 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.279 so I need to make some changes. And this is all part of the 239 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.240 journey, right the shadow works. And now I'm now realizing I'm undergoing that 240 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.720 I didn't have any idea I had to do. Yeah. Yeah, And 241 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.039 I'm with you one hundred percent on that. And you said earlier something about 242 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.080 you mentioned it like it's probably a lifelong journey. This is something we're always 243 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:57.000 going to keep doing. And that's so true, because the more you shine 244 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.000 the light on the shadow, the more there's a shadow of something else. 245 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.159 Of a sudden, it just keeps going. Yeah. Yeah, there's a 246 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:06.640 little unconscious bias in my maybe not to income, maybe a more conscious bias 247 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:10.039 in my head. Now I'm petrified to have any shadows anymore, Like I'm 248 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:11.359 trying to light on everything, like I want to know it all. I 249 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:17.599 don't want to keep anything from myself because I don't want to cause any damage. 250 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:19.799 Right, you go overboard on it, but for me, I'm a 251 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:22.240 Gemini. All are nothing kind of guys. So I've got to when I 252 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:25.880 do it, I do it all the way through. So we're going for 253 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.279 it. Yeah, yeah, that's and I love that. I think that's 254 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.680 why I love astrology as a tool for this, because you can't lie. 255 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:36.839 This blueprint isn't going to lie to you. It's what see is what you 256 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.240 get, and you can bullshit if you don't have something showing you like, 257 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:42.160 no, this is what God said from the moment you were for you want 258 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:47.559 to face That was the most interesting thing that I that I found in that 259 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:52.359 astrology episode, that she was saying things to me about me that were one 260 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.240 true, but I never faced it or talk to people about it. Right, 261 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:59.519 there's no way for her to have known these things. So it was 262 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:03.480 a and it's certainly an eye opening experience for me. I still don't know 263 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:07.359 how it works, but I'm closer to being that believer that that says, 264 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:10.880 yeah, now she she blew my mind. So astrology for sure it made 265 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:15.200 me change do a turnaround, and I like that idea of kind of putting 266 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:18.480 everything on your plate out there for yourself and for anybody else. That way, 267 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.599 there's no misrepresentation, you know, it's like what just use what you 268 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.920 get and it's so much easier that way. And that's the big proof of 269 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:27.000 the shift that we're making from the Age of Prices to the Age of Aquarius 270 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:30.839 that we are now officially in as of December twenty first. It's full throttle. 271 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:36.400 It's been warming up since the sixties here. Now there's transparency. I 272 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.079 mean, it's the age of the internet, right, you're out there now, 273 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:44.319 and the more you just show it. That So December twenty first of 274 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:47.680 twenty twenty one, or was it or is it coming up in the near 275 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:53.160 twenty twenty so were you was the Great Grand Conjunction. Oh so if people 276 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.240 out there speak astrology at all, you've probably heard or if they have their 277 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:59.680 you know, finger on the pulse at all of astrology. That was the 278 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.400 big, big, big, like huge revolutionary energy that came through the Grand 279 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:10.920 conjunction of Stupiter, Jupiter and Saturn in at zero degrees of which is big 280 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:15.119 revolutionary energy, but a big struggle and the big macro astrology theme that we 281 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.519 saw out there with a lot of things happening, but there's kind of big, 282 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.240 heavy restrictions around freedom. There's chaos in the collective, there's things are 283 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.720 getting shaken up. And the really obvious one was big tech put out their 284 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.759 new terms of agreement and a lot of creators were getting their work suppressed or 285 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.519 shifted depending on whether or not your views aligned with the owners of big tech 286 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:38.319 companies like Instagram, Facebook, things like that. So there's just been a 287 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:44.079 lot of conversation now around what is freedom of speech, how do we stay 288 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:48.640 connected? Who's really in control of anything? Anyway? Those kinds of themes. 289 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.680 This is Aquarius and Saturn, a big struggle around those themes and trying 290 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:55.119 to break morms and go a new direction. Right. The only thing I 291 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:57.920 know is that mercury retrograde comes on around the nicety in bed, because that's 292 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.799 all I know. It's bad. Yeah, I don't know, it's not. 293 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:04.960 It's not that that's a my wit. We talk about that. Yeah, 294 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:07.920 No, by all means, yeah, what is mercury retroget That's all 295 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.319 I hear online, Like go with mercury. Careful here it comes mercury, 296 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.039 you know, So what does that mean? What is it? Is that 297 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.039 something we should be concerned about. I have a little analogy with my very 298 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.640 practical mercury in Taurus. I like to give very three dimensional ideas of astrology, 299 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:25.839 make them really practical for us. So let's pretend you're a car. 300 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:29.200 Like the sun sign is your the frame of your car. So we're a 301 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:30.680 Gemini, right, You and I are Gemini have shaped. People know, 302 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.720 we're chatty, curious, maybe a little nosey. We want to share ideas. 303 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.960 And if you look at mercury, mercury is like everything under the hood 304 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:41.720 of this car. It's the engine, yeah, the radiator. It's also 305 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.039 the signals and the lorn. Because mercury is the mind. It's what you're 306 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.200 interested in, it's what you want to learn about, and it's how you 307 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:53.200 communicate with oncoming traffic. So when we're looking at mercury retrograde, what a 308 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:57.440 planet retrograde is, what we're talking about is geocentric astrology, because there's another 309 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:03.079 type hoolcentric based on the Sun is the center because as it is there et 310 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.960 cetera says everythrom the human's perspective on Earth. So if this is the Earth, 311 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:10.279 we're right along, right along. Here's Mercury coming along, and our 312 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.200 orbit passes mercury, and for a while it looks like Mercury is going backward 313 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:18.880 from our perspective. So it's kind of the sensation energetically of sitting in your 314 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.720 car and you've pulled up alongside on a big truck or a train or something, 315 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.559 and you're both sitting still and all of a sudden they start moving and 316 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:26.839 you don't and you care. I feel like you're going backward, you know, 317 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:30.559 Yeah, like a car wise, Yeah, yeah, that always happens 318 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:33.640 to me. There, you're standing at the beach, a little wave comes 319 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.440 in, you stand still on the sand, the wave starts to go out, 320 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:38.799 and you feel like you're sinking and going backward as you look at over 321 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.960 the ocean. Right, that feeling where like in the movies when they're both 322 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:45.480 zooming in and pulling out at the same time. Give that weird. Yeah. 323 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.079 So there's this energy that happens around any planet that's going retrograde. That's 324 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:53.319 the effect. It turns it the energy ruled by that planet internal. It 325 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:57.720 makes it awkward, It makes you go back, reflect, redo, revisit, 326 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:03.480 reassess, approach anything with the or ree. Really, it happens most 327 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.839 planets. They all go through a retrobrate at some point. Chiron just what 328 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.000 retrograde a couple of weeks ago. Jupiter is now retrovate. So when Mercury 329 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.640 retrovate, because it does it the most, because that's just moving. Mercury 330 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:19.400 is the messenger of the god that's Hermes tooth in Egyptian mythology. So this 331 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:23.880 is the communicator, right, It's the channel. Gemini is ruled by Mercury. 332 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:27.319 So it affects us a lot. Friend. Hell, this is because 333 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:30.839 it stays close to the Sun. It's the closest planckfas of the Sun. 334 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.880 It'll always be within one side of the Sun. And it seems to go 335 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.119 backward from the Earth the most three times a year. At least last year 336 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:41.079 it was four. Wasn't that fun. It's a three week lot where every 337 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:44.160 time it yeah, yeah, and so it's not bad. It's just that 338 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:47.119 the it's the most common one. Like Marsco's great, Well, it fuck 339 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:52.839 shit up when Mercury backward, it seems to us to take all of communication, 340 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:57.119 which hello, that runs everything in the world and it makes it all 341 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:03.640 awkward, bumpy. It forces us to reconsider how we're communicating, how we're 342 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.960 thinking. And it is for the benefits. It's for the improvement of connection 343 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.839 and communication and community and commerce, business, all these things integrated with Mercury, 344 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:18.200 the share of information, teaching, learning. But it's frustrating and there 345 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:25.160 are often miscommunications both interpersonally and internally, and communications systems shut down and so 346 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:30.279 lately has become more noticeable because of technology and communication systems are everywhere and watch 347 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.880 Mercury retrograde, things start to break. Don't buy a moone during Mercury retrograde. 348 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.599 No to sell Yeah, I'll sid contacts during marketing retrograde because these are 349 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:41.000 I mean, life goes on. You have to you have to do life 350 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:44.920 right. But one of my favorite astrologers was just saying like, Okay, 351 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.559 don't stop your lives based on the astrology, Like we still have to live 352 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:49.599 and it's a tool for awareness, not to be fear. You know of 353 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:53.079 events, celestial events, like they're here for us, We are them, 354 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.359 we are those bodies, right. But she signed a contract New Leaks for 355 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.359 an apartment during Mercury retrograde. She's like, well, I had to because 356 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.279 life goes on. And then she got into that place and a week later 357 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:04.799 a better spot opened up and her place wasn't working out. She'd be like, 358 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:08.119 oh, okay, this is why I was signing those contracts. Okay, 359 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:14.079 after retrobage is like a down right, So she said life has to 360 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:15.960 go on, But at the same time, she really wished that life had 361 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:21.559 not gone on because she could have a better place. No, it's just 362 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.720 a good example for her, and it probably happened because she has such a 363 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:29.519 huge astrological platform to show people, like, look, life goes on. 364 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:32.160 I had to sign this contract, we got into the home, we moved, 365 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:33.480 it was a big hassle, and then whoops, things didn't work out. 366 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.160 We had to move again. I'm not sorry it happened. It had 367 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:40.160 to happen that way. I don't really know why, because I'm not God, 368 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.599 but like this is kind of the idea behind it, and life goes 369 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:47.519 on and you have to do what you have to do. Right, We 370 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:51.440 need to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more amazing 371 00:24:51.480 --> 00:25:02.160 conversation on the skeptic metaphysicians brings us back around to the whole shadow work thing, 372 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.400 right, because these are things that a lot of people, me included, 373 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.160 say, yeah, going through it sucked. It's still it sucks, 374 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:12.480 but it's making me such a much better person. So at the end of 375 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:17.039 the day, it was a good thing in that sense alone. It made 376 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:18.640 me a better person, made me aware of faults I had to fix, 377 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:23.200 and it helped me to become better. So will everybody, at some point 378 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.880 or another go through their own shadow work? I don't know that I can 379 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.119 say that or can answer that question. I don't know what everybody's going to 380 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:36.039 do. I'm not God, but I do and ask for should they? 381 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.119 I don't know that I can answer that one way or another either, Because 382 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:45.039 the one thing I truly believe in and know of this life, the cosmos 383 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.559 or whatever energy is forces behind it, is that we are free agents. 384 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.400 People should get to choose if they take a look at themselves and not. 385 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.400 I would love it if everybody would. Why doesn't that so be good? 386 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.799 So? Can I just clarify? So is the goal of shadow work not 387 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.359 necessarily to get rid of the shadows, just to kind of shine a light 388 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.839 and see what's going on in there? So you know what you're working with. 389 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:08.960 Yes, I love this question so much. This is vital. You 390 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.400 can't get rid of the shadows. This is the thing that Carl Jung drove 391 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:18.000 home again and again in his writings I did there is no getting rid of 392 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.960 them. A lot of shadow work is engaged in initially because people are realizing 393 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:25.079 I'm an asshole. I don't want to be an Assholey, don't I stop 394 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:29.160 being an asshole? I like, well, good luck changing your chart. 395 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:34.279 You can learn about the qualities that we have. Like your chart basically shows 396 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.960 you your traumas, because we all have it where our defense mechanisms got set 397 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:45.599 up, where our feelings or whatever our successful coping mechanisms, or any other 398 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.640 functional attributes we have, how they got set up in our lifetime. You 399 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.119 can read it as a time lets see what happened, and as somebody who 400 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.839 had blocked out a lot of memories of trauma, that was really helpful. 401 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.119 Not that the chart showed me the trauma that had been there, but as 402 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.119 repressed memory came back, I was able to, in a state of total 403 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:04.400 confusion, look at the chart and be like, oh my goodness, I'm 404 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:07.400 not making this up. This is there. Really you know, so the 405 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:14.960 chart can help you explore the shadow and then look at what gifts come out 406 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.680 of trauma like that. Let's say, for example, you have Mars and 407 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.200 aries in the first house pure aries energy, Mars rules aries, it's in 408 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.079 the sign of areas is in the house of aries. That's an angry dude. 409 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.880 I mean maybe not angry, maybe ambitious, maybe driven to the high 410 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.160 quality type of of a But they may have been put into place there because 411 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.160 he experienced some violence as a little baby or something, you know, and 412 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.799 has a big defense or a lot of you know. It could have been 413 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.839 place there because he was really encouraged as a baby and felt confident and supported. 414 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.839 So there are all these different ways that these planetary placements can be set 415 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.680 up. But if they were put there because of trauma, for example, 416 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:57.200 the placements in my chart that show my bipolar disorder. That sucks to have 417 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.920 bipolar, honestly, but also there are some really big gifts that come with 418 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.680 that. I'm a really good channel, so you know, I look at 419 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.759 the dark side the shadows of what I have. Bipolar happens to have a 420 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:15.359 flavor of narcissism too. It real fun that I can use my ability to 421 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.720 get attention and to talk about things, and to talk a lot. Lumping 422 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.839 this out of my own voice. Let me tell you about astroloa to try 423 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.680 to help about me so much anymore? You know I'm still a narcissist. 424 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.000 How do I shift and try to lessen that and make this more about service 425 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.279 to the collective? Right? Right? So it's not about getting rid of 426 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.720 the shadows. It's about looking at the shadows, how they got there, 427 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.000 being aware that they're never going to go away, and trying to become more 428 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.599 conscious of how they show up day to day, moment to moment and whoops, 429 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.720 okay, that's my dark areas energy. What if I try to reach 430 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:49.599 for the light areas energy? How can I be confident and encouraging in this 431 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:55.000 situation? Things like that. It does very similar to when we spoke to 432 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.880 someone about the tourou and the forward facing or the right facing and then the 433 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:03.720 reversed. I guess it is. There's always different messages. Just take the 434 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.359 awareness and use it in the best possible way. I guess that's what you're 435 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.680 saying. Yes, I love it. So you said something that this may 436 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:14.799 not be the right time to have this conversation but I'm super curious because it's 437 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.920 not how I understood charts work. So maybe you can enlighten me on it. 438 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.160 You mentioned that taking your example of the aries dude, the really angry 439 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:27.039 guy who perhaps something had been put on his chart because of abuse. I 440 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:33.039 thought the chart was laid in once you were born and doesn't change, right, 441 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:38.279 So how does that work? So really fascinating that what keeps me up 442 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:42.000 at night. I love it. I mean, this is what makes me 443 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.400 use the G word. Got now I have. I want to share a 444 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.839 little backstory that I have a lot of religious trauma the bipolar actually comes. 445 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.680 Can I get really explicit here a little trigger warning, of course, about 446 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.759 the kind of trauma? Absolutely? Okay. So I was sexually abused by 447 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.240 a church leader when I was like two to four years old in a very 448 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:04.200 very like Culty Mormon family. My whole family is still Mormon, and I 449 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.839 had to leave that church. I kind of lost the family for a while. 450 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.240 We're healing those relationships, but I have issues with religion, and yes, 451 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:17.559 my whole life path has been to explore what is power? This is 452 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.319 what it means to have an eighth House son? What is what is the 453 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.039 shadow? Is why do people believe what they believe? Where does power come 454 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.319 from? How do we wield it? What does manipulation these things? And 455 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:32.319 how do you heal and transform? These are all scorpionic themes. So I've 456 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.519 gone on kind of a mission my whole life to explore every religion or spiritual 457 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.759 practice. I come around and kind of like the skeptic to metaphysician, I 458 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.960 love this. I really love what you're doing here. Like you. That's 459 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.880 what I've done with religion or spiritual practices, and I kind of try on 460 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:49.799 all of them like a Gemini, and then I keep what works for me. 461 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.200 I look for what's universal. I think critically about it as best I 462 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.599 can, and I watch why do people fall in? Like what is group 463 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.759 think? Things like that. I'm fascinated by psychology for a spiritual pursuit, 464 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:07.519 and I came to I didn't like to use the G word god. I 465 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.160 considered myself atheist for a very long time, and then I explored all kinds 466 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.440 of world religion and became a Yogi. I was a Hindu, I was 467 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:15.759 a Buddhist, I was a Ginis, I was you know, I went 468 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.440 through all these Right now, it's Islam that I'm exploring, which is very 469 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:23.759 similar to Mormonism. And what I find is that the chart is your chart 470 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.720 from the moment you're born. All I need to tell somebody to explore and 471 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:33.000 be very accurate with somebody about their life path and purpose and experiences is their 472 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.519 date, time and location of birth. That's it. Complete. Strangers I 473 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.480 read for every single day, and yet I can tell them all about themselves 474 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:45.720 based on the moment of their birth. How why are those planets up there? 475 00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.079 Everything in nature on this planet has a reason and a balance and a 476 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.200 symbiosis with something else. Why are those planets up there? My dad taught 477 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:53.240 me how to tell time with the stars when I was a little girl, 478 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.880 and I just I just wanted to know why they were up there. It 479 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.039 didn't make sense. They were beautiful, and my dad had a lot of 480 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.240 ideas about them being gifts from God and all kinds of other things. Mormons 481 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.079 have some funny ideas about how we all get our own planet after this life. 482 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:08.519 The other story so interesting, and I had not heard that about Mormon. 483 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.880 Do you think I've heard about that? Piantology? Yeah, scientology, 484 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.799 I don't think I heard that. Yeah, Mormon is what's interesting not to 485 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.160 bash religions that I want to be respectful of it. For sure, I 486 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.319 feel the right to back the religion its brain. Washington two said, all 487 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.759 right, So I pondered this. I found astrology when I was fifteen years 488 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:29.359 old, and I brought it home when I talked to my parents about it, 489 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:30.680 and they just shamed the hell out of me and made fun of it. 490 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.839 And then all my life it was my obsession. It was just a 491 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.640 calling, you know. So I kept studying it on my own, and 492 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.079 then I'd be in relationships with men or friendships that with people who just thought 493 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.400 it was ridiculous and constantly put it down and made fun of me and thought 494 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.759 it was just Hippi Wulu novemens. And then I decided, when COVID happened 495 00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.200 and my yoga career was kind of pulled out from under me, what am 496 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:57.400 I going to do? And I went into some meditation and did some sacred 497 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.400 plant medicine therapy and had the message to me very clearly that I needed to 498 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.000 go to astrology school, which I didn't know was a thing. I didn't 499 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.960 know you even actually had that either. Wow, Yeah, it's cool. 500 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.440 So I went to the Dubber Silverman School of Astrology. Highly recommend any astro 501 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.000 geeks out there. Go. She's amazing. Is that an honor? And 502 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:16.599 you can do Also, do you have to go in person? You can 503 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.039 go online. She used to do her Level three is actually in Hawaii with 504 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:22.799 her at her home. But yes, please, I like, I'd like 505 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:29.000 to do level three. You just jumped at three. She's amazing. It's 506 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.039 all online now. I think they will host in person work chops against some 507 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.440 very cool, great school. You get mentorship, you get a lot of 508 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.920 guidance, gal a lot of practice. It's wonderful. She's the best of 509 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.759 the best. And you know what, well, she's not paying us a 510 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.839 sponsorship. But I'm still going to put in a direct link to or because 511 00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:45.480 I think it's on your The information is on your Instagram, So I'm going 512 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.759 to grab that and put it on the show notes. If you're interest didn't 513 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.279 go into astrology school, maybe this is the one for you. Yeah, 514 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:53.319 And it was life changing. It's really amazing. And you know, my 515 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:55.319 family didn't think much of it, and they were like, really, you're 516 00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.680 going to waste your time and money on that then, and want to do 517 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:08.480 sadly and I found through deeper study at that level that just how accurate everything 518 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:13.360 is. And I realize, look these placemens. I can look at my 519 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.599 chart and see events in my life where the planets fall. I can see 520 00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:22.119 being molested. I can see blocking out those memories from being caughtage thloring my 521 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.719 body by my parents and the religious shame of that culture. So I can 522 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:30.920 see how I came alive, how I came into my own in the start, 523 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.159 I could see the timeline of it, and yet it's been there since 524 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.639 my firth. So when I say, like in that example, the Moors 525 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.079 dude Mars in the first house, maybe this happened when he was a baby, 526 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.719 I don't know, And some astrologers go there and try to pick that 527 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.079 apart. My astrology teacher happens to be a psychotherapist of forty years, and 528 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:50.000 so she's always applied. That's the name of her school is applied astrology. 529 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.239 That's why I take kind of a psychological perspective, even though I am not 530 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.440 a mental health professional. I have no business in that, but I truly 531 00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.960 believe, like Carl Jung said, ecology will continue to be a dinosaur science 532 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:06.440 until it includes the study of astrology, and I give it a couple hundred 533 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.079 years. I think they'll be one of the same. I think astrologers and 534 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:14.400 I think doctors, medical doctors, and psychologists will be therapists will be astrologers. 535 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.079 Well, we've got a long way to go towards that that, because 536 00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.559 even when I post things about astrology on the show, I can't tell you 537 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.519 how many times, how many comments, how many really just nasty people saying, 538 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.800 yeah, you really expect me to believe this kind of stuff and without 539 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.280 you know, just just listen to the show, make up your own mind. 540 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:35.880 But yeah, there really is no reason to bash something that you don't 541 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.840 understand just because you don't understand it or you're afraid of it. And our 542 00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:45.159 stance here is keep an open mind and don't get yourself into a rout where 543 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:51.360 you feel something is unbelievable, because the minute that you feel that something is 544 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.000 unbelievable to you, you've just proven yourself right. Right, the whole Schrodinger's 545 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:59.400 cat thing and the quantum physics, and you know, see, and my 546 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.320 take on that that is so he's the skeptic, I'm the believer. I 547 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:07.280 feel like you kind of lose some of that joy and wonder if you don't 548 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.639 believe, you know, if you're just looking for reasons to disprove something I've 549 00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.719 got to find. It's like such a negative thing to me, and I'm 550 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.760 like, oh cool this too. Wow. Absolutely, I was really stuck 551 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.440 in my shadows for the long period of my life where I was not letting 552 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:22.519 myself believe because I was so wounded by being forced to believe on my life. 553 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.159 She wasn't given the choice. This is the truth, the only truth, 554 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:27.760 and we have the only truth. That's the way. It was very 555 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.280 narcissistic, abusive relationship with a church. Coming out of that, I was 556 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.440 like, like, I can't believe, but astrology has proven it to me. 557 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.719 It's mathematical proof that God exists. I don't know what that God is. 558 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.199 I don't see any rules applied. I see there's light shadow, and 559 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.920 we are free agents, and there's a math that can tell you all about 560 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:49.039 you and your specific relationship to that God and to this life. Yes, 561 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.360 and I'm violated by it. I'm not like, I'm not hook line and 562 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.480 sinker sold on any one way of looking at it, because I'm a Gemini 563 00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:59.320 and I will not follow any religion around it. But I'm fascinated and I 564 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.320 want it to be my life work to ask questions about what I'm doing here, 565 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.599 what everybody else is right here? It sounds like you should have the 566 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:10.000 podcast, yeah, because I mean that's exactly what we're doing on the show, 567 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.519 right. I've always the reason why I started the show is because I've 568 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.719 been looking my whole life very similarly to you, looking into all kinds of 569 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:21.960 religions and all kinds of modalities, looking for that three like that physical I 570 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.000 want to be able to touch it, proof that there is something out there 571 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:29.960 beyond this physical world. Right, So I have found certain things. A 572 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.519 raiky energy to me was the thing that made me go, Okay, this 573 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:36.719 stuff is real because I actually I felt it. I actually felt it. 574 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:42.280 I've spoken to psychics and channels and it sounds right, but it's just kind 575 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.239 of hard to hard to swallow right now. What's the scientific modality? Yeah, 576 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.719 how does that work? Right now? Over the course of my last 577 00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.679 year and a half or whatever, I've found that it's amazing how much is 578 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:59.480 out there that I don't know about. So reading the book Wayne Dyer talk 579 00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.039 about on the show all the time. The fact that there is so much 580 00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:07.039 in this world, in this universe, like we don't know how We know 581 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.960 scientifically how a flower blooms, but we don't really know how a flower actually 582 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.719 blooms, Like what makes it? Like what's the intelligence behind that? Right? 583 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:21.320 Absolutely? If you look at like how do you how do your brain 584 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.800 impulses come and make you move your finger? Right? I mean we know 585 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.920 how to do it scientific how to happen scientifically, but but really, what's 586 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.360 the intelligence behind it? It's like why, Yeah, it's the same general 587 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:37.239 principle who knows and again that the whole Asimov thing about to a primitive culture, 588 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.239 science will look like magic because it don't understand it. Like what what 589 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.079 in the future are we going to find? Like, like to your point, 590 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.000 astrology to some people is kind of this esoteric. They call it a 591 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.320 pseudo science honestly, So so what what if in the future there is more 592 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.480 proof that says, yeah, this is real and it's no longer pseudoscience, 593 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.679 this is actually science, and maybe it's taught in school and that's that's where 594 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.960 my mind looks at it. That's right, I mean it's happening. We're 595 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.960 in process right now. I know it doesn't seem feasible because in the mainstream 596 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:15.480 it's not accepted, it's it's ridiculed a bit. But I know one of 597 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.639 the people that it was, like a guest teacher while I was in astrology 598 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:22.199 school, was talking about how they have five hundred thousand pieces of data explaining 599 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.599 or if they're collecting data around how placements got set in a person's charts, 600 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.920 like, oh, this this person experienced sexual trauma, this person experienced you 601 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.320 know, support and love and nurturing at this time of their life. Like 602 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:43.760 they're understanding why how these charts got there, They're understanding the psychology relationship, 603 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:45.639 and with that emerging, I think it's only a matter of time. It's 604 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.039 just that astrology is the energy of Aquarius. Hello, Age of Aquarius, 605 00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:57.000 and that highest level air it's at Air is information, intelligence, knowledge, 606 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:01.360 communication and sharing, connecting community, the collective. And so with astrology being 607 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.000 in the Age of Aquarius, we're starting to remember some of the old the 608 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.079 highest sciences. It was the same kind of thought line as like Ancient A 609 00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:12.639 Wiams. Have you guys ever seen that show? Yes? Yeah, oh 610 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.360 yeah, yeah, love of that show. Yeah. So it's the idea 611 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:20.559 that there used to be higher science and higher technology than there is on this 612 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:24.400 planet right now, that we've had, you know, atomic weaponry long before, 613 00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:29.440 and that Egypt wasn't eight ten thousand years ago, it was those pyramids 614 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.360 were built way before as a mercoba, as a way of interdimensional travel of 615 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.239 communication. That we understood the power of sound, frequency and light. Back 616 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:43.000 then, the highest sciences, the natural sciences, we understood the technology of 617 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.519 the Earth and how to work with that as human beings on a very advanced 618 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.920 level. And that sciences such as astrology and even yoga. I mean, 619 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.079 look at the history of yoga. The Siva came down ascended in a beam 620 00:40:54.079 --> 00:41:00.119 of light on Mount Kilivinjo and gave yoga to the seven Ragshi's like these are 621 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:05.079 these are extraterrestrial forces with us, and we're trying to show us how to 622 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.360 become more aware. It expand its human beings, right, And astrology was 623 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.079 just this tool that they were saying, look, there's a way of mathing 624 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:16.400 using astronomy. Astrology used to be more respected than astronomy because it wasn't just 625 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.880 the geometry, the physics, the mathing, the mathematics. It was also 626 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:29.920 something spiritual about psychology and integrating the living human being and how to understand how 627 00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:31.719 we work, what we're here to do, and how we can do it 628 00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:38.159 best. I can't not believe thinking for Yeah, this conversation has been absolutely 629 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:43.519 fascinating to me. We went through to so many rabbit holes I never expected 630 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.599 us to go when we were talking about shadow work, but it was absolutely 631 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:51.440 fabulous. You help people with their own personal shadow work, right, that's 632 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.199 one of the things that you do. So if somebody was interested in reaching 633 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:59.039 out to you and working with you to explore their own shadow selves, what's 634 00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.360 the best way for them to do that? So I'm my website is under 635 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:07.440 construction my mars Is and Gemini, so I'm about getting things together, but 636 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.800 we're in progress. So you can look through my website. I just don't 637 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.599 have my current yoga teaching schedule up there and so it's not always exactly accurate. 638 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.079 I might have to change the time with you. So the easiest way 639 00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:23.639 is my email, which you can reach me at Cosmic Consultant seven seven seven 640 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:30.280 at gmail dot com or Laura Black forty two at gmail dot com, or 641 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.000 through my Instagram where you can check out a lot of my posts and message 642 00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:39.360 me directly, which is the Underscore Cosmic Underscore consultant. Okay, at the 643 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:45.320 positive Consultant. I'll lay in some direct links to those in the show notes 644 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.679 so that you can access them without having to take notes. If you listen 645 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:51.679 to this on the radio, don't worry right right, you don't have to 646 00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.480 pull over you can. You can visit Skeptic metaphysician dot com later on and 647 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:59.280 get all of that information. Laura, this has been absolutely fascinating. Is 648 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.719 there anything any last minute words of wisdom that you want to make sure you 649 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:05.880 impart on our audience before we close it out today? Yeah, Getty, 650 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.280 really honest with yourselves. It's hard and it's scary. It's the best shadow 651 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:13.519 work is where it's at. It's the most uncomfortable and the most rewarding thing 652 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.280 you'll ever do. Very well, said Laura. Thank you so much for 653 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.920 coming on the show today. If you're interested in reaching out to her, 654 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.199 like I mentioned, I'll have all of those links directly on our show notes. 655 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:27.639 I am in awe of the amount of knowledge that you have shared with 656 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.320 us, and so much more knowledge I'm sure must be in your head that 657 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:32.960 we didn't even get a chance to touch on, but I'm in absolute awe. 658 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:35.880 I don't know how else to say. Well, I'm really looking forward 659 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.519 to talking with you more and still hope to have you on my little show 660 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.920 and show off your chart for I would be thrilled. Thank you for the 661 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:45.800 invitation, happy to join in with you. Okay, So, Karen, 662 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.079 thank you again for joining on this one. This was This was a fun 663 00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.880 one, but I have so many more questions with a chart if they's going 664 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.960 to start getting better, but I get it soundly, we want to have 665 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.320 Laura come back for part two. Sincerely, thank you a listener for coming 666 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.519 along on our journey of discovery. If you know someone that would benefit from 667 00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.119 hearing these messages that we're sharing on the show, I urge you to share 668 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:14.280 this podcast with that person or this radio show with that person, because you 669 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.280 never know who might just have their life changed by it. Now. Like 670 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:20.880 we mentioned, if you'd like to learn more about my guests, check out 671 00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:25.000 her Instagram at the Underscore Cosmic Underscore Consultant, or just go ahead and search 672 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:29.039 for a name Laura Black Astrologer. That's how I found her. Or check 673 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:30.719 out her website. It is under construction, but most of the stuff is 674 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:34.920 there. It's Thecosmicconsultant dot com. As I mentioned, I lead in direct 675 00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.800 links to those in the show notes for convenience, you can always find those 676 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.480 and so many other things on my website Skeptic Metaphysician dot com. Not only 677 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.199 can you access those direct links and the direct links to our social media platforms 678 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.400 and those are my guests, but you can also leave us voicemails there too. 679 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.679 We'd love to hear your thoughts, your comments, your questions, your 680 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.559 feedback on the show, the guests, all of that. Well, that's 681 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.840 all for now. We will see you on the next episode of The Skeptic 682 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.559 Metaphysician. Until then, take care,