What is krack lackin Hardwoodknox listeners, I am Damn Valley coming at you with
a fun dead of the offseason exercise. I'm going to provide outside the box
or dark horse destinations for the most popular trade targets, some of which are
at the forefront of rumors. Others that I just identified would be the most
popular names available. And the goals are just steer clear of Kevin Durant to
Phoenix or Kevin Durant to Miamivin Donovan Mitchell to the Knicks, trying to avoid
those and journeying off the just the beaten path a little bit before we get
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let's get to this exercise. I went through players, and we're just gonna
go in alphabetical order to keep things uniform. That way. I went through
players that I think actually have value, and so let's use or be highly
sought after. Let's use Russell Westbrook act as an example. I could come
up with dark horse destinations for him, but any trade is going to be
viewed as the Lakers trying to acquire actual talent or just to get rid of
him. And so it's players that I believe have net positive or better value.
A steer like I steer clearer free agents, because there's not a lot
of good free agents except for Colin Sexton. He's on this list just because
the Calves apparently have like a third fourteen million dollars offer per year on the
table. That's less than I thought he was gonna get, So he is
included in this. There are other names, but I'm I'm trying to focus
and this will be the last piece of criteria of players who would could feasibly
reach the chopping block, even if it's not for sort of a once in
a lifetime acquisition. Let's use Kevin Ran as an example. Would brandon Ingram
be available for him? Maybe brandon Ingram just isn't gonna be available. Willie
Nilly did over a Pascal Siaka right now in Toronto. Even with Ogianna Nobi.
It seems like the Raptors are pushed back against all the rumors that they
want to move him. So I tried to just focus on players who I
believe are actually available. I began with the best non Donovan Mitchell trade asset
on the Jazz and I think that's Boyon Bogdanovitch. It could be Mike Conley,
but that second year on his contracts heavily guaranteed. I do think he's
I guess he's always been underrated, but at one point became properly rated or
overrated, or it was overrated to say he was underrated. I just don't
know that he's going to be super sought after. So for Billiam macdonovit it's
just someone who can give you pure wing scoring, either off the ball or
on the ball. Probably best suited as a four, especially on defense.
Now he has been linked the only teams I've actually heard him linked to,
I believe are Toronto and the Lakers a little bit when we're talking about Russ.
So the squads I came up with, I have Memphis. They could
really use another They could use more shooting, and they can use just an
additional semi self creator to pitch in during the non John Morant minutes or even
with Morant on the court. Yes, maybe you're banking on jarm Jackson Junior
when he's healthy and Zaire Williams and Desmond Baying All to sort of make those
leaps. Having veteran insurance on an expiring contract would be good. They can
get to matching the money without using Steven Adams as well. They do have
the Danny Green expiring. He can't be aggregated just yet, I don't think,
but he eventually can be the other team I have as Phoenix. I've
talked about him going to Phoenix, so maybe we shouldn't include that being a
dark horse. But if they're going to make an upgrade that has nothing to
do with Kevin Durant. I think it needs to be just at the four
and skew offensively does Bonam Madonna has become your third best player, and that
seems to be their biggest issue when you look at eight and no. But
he probably becomes your third best offensive player and that would be important in a
playoff series. He's an upgrade offensively, I would argue from Jay Crowder for
sure, and probably even from Cam Johnson just when you're looking at someone who
could put the ball on the deck and generate his own offense and impinches.
So that would be a great acquisition for them. And then I don't know
if this count as a dark horse. I've Miami just they need to do
something kind of more inventive about the four spot. I think that I've overlooked
them on this podcast a little bit this offseason, which is wrong. They
should still be really good if they're healthy. If you can use Duncan Robinson's
contract to anchor a Boan mcdonovitch's trade, I don't know what you need to
include a sweeteners to get that off. There's four years and seventy plus million
left on it. I think, if you're going to pay a crap ton
of money for non stars, it might as well be elite shooters with a
ton of gravity. Duncan Robinson did slip off last year, He's still one
of the most valuable shooters in the NBA, And so what would it take
for a Jazz team who's rebuilding and he doesn't compromise the rebuild, but it
is long term money. What do you have to sweeten the pot with next
to Duncan Robinson too to get Bayamodonovitch, but he would be you know,
he doesn't replace PJ. Tucker on defense, but he's a better shooter than
PJ. Tucker. Slot him next to vam At a Baio run and you
have just enough defense in general to where you don't need to do have him
do a time like between Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, bam At a Bio,
Victor Oladipo is there as well, Like you can run out just a
bunch of really sturdy defensive lineups that we're going to be able to cover up
for him as far as he's even this monster liability, which if you're asking
him to defend threes, he probably would be moving on to John Collins.
Still just he seems wildly underrated. His offense is just scalable. It's plug
in play because he can pick and pop. At this point, he can
turn himself to a viable corner three point shooter. He can also be your
primary scream and screen and diver. He just doesn't get to do that in
Atlanta with Clint Capella there as often. And there's also there's more to explore
from his floor game. I don't think he's ever gonna be like even a
Karl Anthony Town's level attacker, but he can do more than just go north
south like there can be some deliberate mythology to the way that he's attacking,
or maybe there's a little east west, some spins, there, some variant
touch around the basket. And just looking at his contract, where you have
this fringe star for with the cap rising at sub twenty seven million dollars a
year and it's sub twenty five million next season, I'm just surprised there's not
more interest than him. I get it if he if you consider him a
one position player, I think there are teams, including the ones that I'm
about to mention, that could get away with applying to a ton at the
five. I have the Raptors as one. I don't subscribe to the idea
that they need a big but he would really I know they have Otto Porter
Junior. Now he would improve the spacing of some of their lineups. He
would really help their rebounding. And I think you can get away with no
is he your five? Maybe defensively you're trying to use him that way,
but you're also going to be playing with Siakam and Scotty Barnes in this scenario.
You keep Ben playing with Pressous or Chewa. There's Chris bouchet is there
as as as well. So I just think there are a ton of ways
that Toronto could maximize him on both offense and defense. Maybe you're even seeing
like these pairings of like him as your five without Siakam on the corporate you
just have enough win defense. There's between not even wings. But like Daddy
is young is there. Chris Brusche could even get away, but I mentioned
Chi will be he can get away with Ken Birch a little bit, So
I think that is an interesting fit. Now what do you give up to
get him? I think o Gianna Noby is the basis here. I think
Toronto's giving up the higher and value there is because of Oganna Noby's versatility.
Would you do DeAndre Hunter and Collins for Oganna, Noby and Filler at this
point, which is Birch or whatever? I kind of like that deal for
both sides. Let me know what you think on Twitter or in the comments
section again, O Gianna Noby and Filler for John Collins and DeAndre Hunter.
Now the amount of money going to Toronto there, you're gonna have to make
some very creative changes. You could technically include Daddy is young because of the
deal that he signed. Does it was an extension I believe, so it's
going to let him be traded immediately, unless I'm misremembering the reporting there.
But you can still step out of your way. With just between og And
and Nobi and Ken Birch and then some of your smaller salaries like maybe a
Malakai Flynn, you would be able to call together enough money without also giving
up Gary Trent Jr. And for some reason Atlanta wanted Trent instead of og
even better. I just don't think that's the route that they would go.
You all of a sudden, really cooking with something in Atlanta. When you
have og who's an incredible defensive upgrade over DeAndre Hunter, I guess net neutral
and offense, I'd probably argue that og and and Nobi is just more established
there as well, even looking at what he's been able to do off the
dribble, not this quick fire pull up shooter, but DeAndre Hunter just really
kind of stalled last year. But the Raptors again, he's extension eligible.
You probably get him for cheaper than og who's going to be a free agent
in two years. I think you're getting interesting value there. But with Atlanta
having Dejant, they Murray and og Na Nobia, then even clinkup HeLa still
on the same team on Yeka kung Wu. Defensively, that's a lot of
talent around Trey Young, even if you're not applying all five of the guys
that I just named it at once. So kung Wu and I know bian
Copette would be a weird fit. I would watch it though. That'd bet
that would be interesting defensively, and then I also have the heat. They're
never a dark horse and anything, but let's just say like if they're not
going to get the rent, if they're not going to get Mitchell. I
don't think they want to use all of their picks on John Collins, and
I firmly have to believe that Atlanta would want more than picks for John Collinsons.
It's looking to compete immediately. At the same time, maybe they want
to replenish some of their draft picks Dash to use in further trade since they
traded away a handful to San Antonio. You could also just rally third teams
together where the Heat are sending out your Duncan Robinson as the primary salary filler.
There need to be other money involved there as well. But again,
it's workable, and you're rallying the third team, so you're sending them picks,
and they're sending Atlanta someone or something's of value that they would like.
I think this gets iffy because when you're looking at the matching money for Miami,
John Collins is at twenty three point five next year and Miami with Duncan
Robinson is at sixteen point nine. Right there, your next cleanest salary filler
fit is going to be Tyler Hero. Are you giving up Tyler Hero and
a John Collins trade. I think a lot of people would say no,
I don't think Atlanta needs Tyler Hero either, but I would do Duncan Robinson
and Tyler Hero and next year's first for John Collins. I think, maybe,
just maybe, is it a matter of World team give up a good
enough first round pick to send to Atlanta where they would then send John Collins
to Miami if they don't want Hero, I get the trade package round was
coming up with this, it was it told a lot of iffy. But
if in a vacuum you can turn John Collins, if you can turn Duncan
Robinson, Tyler Hero and a pick, I probably am not going two picks
even with Robinson's deal. If you can make that move you I would do
it. But you can also go the route of okay, what would you
give up Nicola Yovich and Duncan Robinson and then picks and you can still get
to the salary. You would take three or four players in total to bring
back John Collins's money, but you could do it so Tyler Hero doesn't have
to be involved. I'm just saying, if they were looking for the cleanest
possible route. Kevin Durant, Wow, Kevin Durant, there are no dark
horses for Kevin Durant. It feels like everyone's been mentioned at this point,
but I do have to I've been banging and other people have as well.
Not the only one. Kevin Durant to New Orleans. I just think there's
a bunch of different permutations there. CoA check out the podcast that I did
where I mapped out that there is a really aggressive trade offer they could make
that doesn't include brandon Ingram CJ. McCollum, or, of course, since
he just signed extension Zion Williamson, So that would just be scary. And
you want to know that Kevin Durant need wants to be there to some extent.
That's just I want Kevin Durant in I mean, Phoenix would be interesting
a media title favorite, but I think if you put Kevin Durant in New
Orleans without giving up Ingram, they might have a case there. And if
you put them in Toronto still those are the teams that I'm not rooting for,
but I'm most interested in seeing Kevin Durant on. I think this one's
probably a fair dark horse, especially given how their off season is unfolded.
But the Atlanta Hawks. Atlanta is a popular city among NBA players, even
if it hasn't been built as this like high end free agency destination. I
think that a lot of people look at the draft equity the Hawks game up
for de Jean day Murray and just automatically assume you can't get Kevin Durant.
I'm not disagreeing, but like, look at some of the avenues here.
So in terms of the picks that they have that you could give up,
that protected Sacramento pick in twenty twenty four, there's a chance it never conveys,
but it's protected until Kingdom come, so counts is a first round pick
in my book. You give up your own twenty twenty three pick, and
then you can still trade twenty twenty nine, and there's some swaps that you
could work there. So that's but that's three tangible first round picks you can
give up. You also have a handful of interesting youngsters in DeAndre Hunter,
on Yeko Kungo, Jalen Johnson, who I'm absolutely in love with, and
let's also not forget a J. Griffin who they just drafted. Between those
four guys, like you should be able to if the Nets don't want any
of them, I would argue they should probably want Hunter and a kung Wu
even if they're looking to compete right away. But if the Nets don't want
any of those, even Jalen Johnson, I'm love with John Johnson. Sorry,
sorry, everyone, but you could trade those guys feasibly. The teams
that I would think in theory would give up a first round pick to Brooklyn.
They're probably not distant first round picks, which gets a little iffy,
but you also satisfy the requirements of hey, if they won't win. Now
players you have Boda mcdonovitch, Clink Cappella, and John Collins, all all
these names in addition, so Clink Cappella, John Collins, Boda mcdonovitch,
DeAndre Hunter, on Yeka kong Wu, AJ Griffin and Jalen Johnson, those
seven players, I would think that you could trade any single one of them
for another first round pick. It's probably most sketchy on AJ Griffin and excuse
me, Jalen Johnson, which is fine so and especially the Jalen Johnson just
given his limited sample. But like you just start rallying teams together and there's
should be teams that are interested in Collins or Cappella and I'm assuming you're not
giving up all three of your bigs like Capella Collins and don't cong Woo in
that deal. I think that you could probably put together something aggressive, especially
Look, the Nuts should probably want Collins. He fits with all their bigs
right now. So if you used Collins as sort of the salary anchor here,
I don't know if they want Bogdanovitch, but you have all these other
youngsters plus your picks. Can you find third and fourth teams that are just
sending even more picks to Brooklyn So they're still getting a fringe all star in
John Collins, And then they would still just get a ship ton of draft
equity again, unless they were really in love with some of the young players,
which again they might be DeAndre Hunter good even though he's extension double Yonglu.
They's almost position lists on defense and there's some more offense to explore there.
You have Claxton Dayron Sharp there, and if you're keeping Collins you certainly
don't want them. You could will someone give you a first round pick for
Clickopela. That's probably tough Withold Toronto be that team. Their salary filler is
a little bit hard pressed and I don't think they're not going to give up
O Giannaobi for Clinopela, and they're also not going to do so to help
a conference rival get Kevin Durant, I don't think, but Kevin Durant,
de Jante, Murray Trey Young just as your bass that gets incredibly intrigued.
And so I don't think Atlanta has the best KD offer, but they could
be a team that's more incentivized to throw out their best foot, more so
than in Toronto, more so than a New Orleans, and that could put
them technically in front of the bidding if they want. Again, I don't
think they get there, but that's just a team that I think we should
probably consider a little bit more. In this conversation, Eric Gordon, I
just have him here because it's like, well, what the fuck is this
guy doing on the rockets? Still, he shot incredibly well on drives last
year fifty five plus percent hit his three ball. Well, he can stand
very far behind the arc and again gives you that rim pressure like I just
said, and he'll he'll just hold up. On defense, there are players
who are his size and his age should probably be worse defensively when you're gonna
move him around the two and three spots. I haven't heard him mentioned like
any specific teams. I thought about the Calves, but I feel like he's
been mentioned there too much. And unless it's a Colin Sexton sign and trade,
which possible, I mean that's not I actually have Houston listened as one
of my Sexton dextination destination, so maybe, but I have Memphis just because
I think it. Maybe you want someone bigger on the wings, But if
you really in love with David Roddy, Jake La Ravia and Zaire Williams,
you have Desmond Bine just to have another offensive outlet after losing Kyle Anderson,
who's more of a play maker, and you still do have Tays Jones.
Again, you be on the smaller end. But if you're going to continue
to run out dual bigs for stretches, I think you just need people who
can shoot and then someone else who's comfortable attacking off the dribble. He's not
Eric Wren's not necessarily a stop and pop guy, but he's gonna give you
some just really strong rim pressure that I don't think you're gonna necessarily get at
the same level from Desmond Bayne or Zaire Williams at this point just to have
that secondary scoring and then primary shooting. He can play off the ball so
well and really stretch the floor out magic him and Jarre Jackson Junior on the
court at the same time, both basically standing by the timeline that just gonna
stretch defenses paper him. They can also get to his money without giving up
Steven Adams as well. You have the once you can legally aggregate Danny green
salary, that ten million dollars non guarantee, that ten million dollars chip that
gives you a basis for all this, And I also have Milwaukee. Getting
to his money is tough. It has to be Grayson Allen and then George
Hill and then other smaller salaries. If they put Marjon Bochamp on the table,
Houston should just absolutely jump at that. I don't think they're going to.
I can't picture them including a distant they could trade at twenty twenty nine.
First, I can't pitch them doing it for Eric Gordon, but if
you know Houston, maybe they have some interest in Grace Now, who's on
this shorter term deal, showed some really bright moments as a shooter mostly before
the postseason last year. George Hill just expiring. Maybe you're getting just other
teams involved. Is there a team out there that would take George Hill?
Would Toronto consider taking George Hill? I don't know if they have a trade
exception large enough. I'd have to look that up. I did notice,
though, this is something that was interesting. There's currently no NBA trade exception
right now that's worth more than or worth even ten million dollars. I don't
know if that's like a common occurrence. Yeah, Toronto has a trade exception
they could take George Hill into. But I just thought that was fascinating because,
you know, looking at names like Eric Gordon specifically, and then even
someone else to come on my list that I made, I kind of thought,
well, what if they could slide into a trade exception and their team
just wants to save money. Didn't work like that, So Milwaukee's a little
bit tougher. But if Houston's not looking for a ton of value, maybe
they're just trying to do right by Eric Gordon too and send him to a
contender. I would love him in Milwaukee. Some of your lineups would be
smaller, but you can play Drew Jannis Middleton and Eric Gordon at the same
time, and it doesn't matter. You can Jannis, You're big in that
scenarios, Brook Lopez on the court, pet content, I don't give a
shit Kyrie Irving. I guess the dark horse destination would be anyone but the
Lakers. I do think Dallas kind of doesn't qualifies a dark horse anymore because
they've just been the team most commonly mentioned that might roll the dice on him.
I came up with three. One of them was a cop out.
I know he's been like semi linked to Miami, but just like they can
get to the money without including Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, bam at a
Baio if they really wanted to, can I get there without Tyler Hero?
That's where it gets weird or third and fourth teams involved. Why would you
give Tyler Hero for Kyrie Irving. I just have them listed because if you
put Kyrie on the team, and even if you're giving up I guess Kyle
Lowry at that point. I know it's a weird cultural fit, but man,
he brings so much of just what Miami would need in the playoffs,
specifically looking at their half court shock creation. I want to make it clear.
I wouldn't give up a ton of value for him, but if it's
costing you your twenty twenty three pick and then salary filler, like I would
do it, And it look it's a it's it's iffy because you can't.
I'm just looking at it now. You can't reasonably step ladder your way to
his money without including it would have to be Tyler Hero and Nuncan Robinson even
from there, like, you're kind of hard pressed to step ladder of your
salaries up. So are you giving him Kyle Lowry for Kyrie Irving? Kyrie
I Rving's better go and hit free agency after next year. Maybe Miami appreciates
that flexibility. How are you sweetening the deal next to Kyle Lowry? Do
you even want to if the Nets are trying to win, is it just
like Kyle Lowry and you know, do you have to give up a pick?
And that scenario if the Nets are going to hold on to Kevin Durant,
imagine you have to give up something. But I just had Miami listed.
They're not one that I believe in and the path of getting him is
also difficult. You give up Kyle Lowry for sure, if you can get
Kevin Durant and addition all your picks, Kyrie's different. But the two teams
I have listed and I wouldn't expect these, let me start with the least
likely one. But I would kind of love this Orlando and they have a
bunch of different avenues to just get to the money. And imagine like you're
not giving up jam And Suggs or Palo Bank, Caro or even Franz Wagner
in this situation, that's like you. They could give you a pick,
they could give you some of their their younger guys. Do the Nets value
players? Like would they want to roll the dice on Jonathan Isaac? What
about markol Faults? They have Terris Ross Gary Harris can even be traded immediately
now based off the I think they turned his deal into an extension basically,
so, but if he can if I'm misremembering that as well, since it
is, you know, four twenty am Eastern time when I'm recording this,
I apologize there. But like Jonathan Isaac Faults Ross, are you willing to
include col Anthony in that deal? I would chumokeiki. Yeah, I definitely
include RJ. Hampton for sure, and then like you have Chicago's twenty twenty
three first if top four protected, is that like too shiny to give up?
It's definitely less shiny than your own first round pick. Maybe you don't
want to, Maybe you don't want to do that. Maybe it's just heavily
protected. Maybe you're giving seconds there. Maybe they're just interested in players that
will be in rotation. I mean the Nets needs still need like quality defenders.
And if they want to roll the dice on Jonathan Isaac, his contract
is solo risk at this point, guaranteed seventeen point four this year, then
only guaranteed seven point six the year after, and that it's fully guaranteed in
the final season after that faults. You wouldn't need him if you had Kyrie
Ross, just another winning player for Brooklyn, like you can get there with
the bodies and then one or two of your Anthony o'keke, RJ. Hampton,
Hampton youngsters. I would do it if it was on the table.
I know you're probably worried about would he's submarine your culture and would he leave?
I think Orlando's an underrated free agency destination, especially if if they're good
and Kyrie would just make life so much easier on a paleo band. Karros
he develops and even John sugs and I don't think he necessarily like nukes their
development either. He could infringe upon in a little bit, but like I
think he just makes the touches they yet more streamlined. I would just like
to see it if it didn't cost a tangible first round pick or any of
your core youngsters, which I'm not training for Kyrie anyway, I would think
about it. The other team was Washington, and the path to getting there
is you have to wait basically for Will Barton and Monte Morris to be able
to be aggregated. Against that, you could basically flip them. I was
thinking Barton Morris and Hotchamoura for Kyrie. Irving you could go the route of
just flipping Poor Zingis. For Irving, you do have Daniel Gafford there still,
maybe you trust that you're gonna get enough production out of the center spot
then if you haven't really set yourself up to have a bunch of center minutes
after Daniel Gafford though, like it's very clear when you look at this setup
that they're invested in the poor Zingis Gafford five man combination, which is fine.
I don't like do the Nets even Wan Christops with Nick Klaxton there,
even if they're looking to win now. If they are looking to win now,
I think you could argue that Morris and Barton are going to be more
valuable, and then there's Hot Chamoura. Would you give up Johnny Davis?
I would not, but that's just if it's costing them. Basically, if
if it's the Barton Morris package with Ruy Hachimura, I'm doing it. I
wouldn't give up a first round pick unless it's just protected until the end of
time and they already have one of those owed to the Knicks at this point.
Would I consider the porzingis Kyrie swap? Does someone else need to come
back from Brooklyn in that? I don't think so, because I would view
Chris Les playing well for the Wizards, but a thirty six million dollars player
option in twenty three twenty four, I don't think a lot of teams want
to carry it, So I would consider the straight up swap there. Now.
Where it gets iffy for me is if you're asking them to include Kyle
Kuzma I might push back unless you just think you're not going to pay him,
because I do think like if it was Barton and Kuzma, and that
might even be enough money on its own. You probably need a little bit
more, but you could get there with Filler. If it was just Barton,
Kuzma and Filler for Kyrie. I don't know if I honestly don't know
if I would do it, Like I guess you could if you're watching him,
but then you have Morris, Kyrie and Delon Wright. It just makes
more sense to send out Morris. If it was Morris and Kuzma and then
Filler, it might get a little bit tougher there, But just food for
thought. They're in a window window with Beal. Delawn Wright would be a
great backup or somebod who could play alongside Irving. And if you're keeping Kuzma
and Denny Avvia and let's just say Kristaps porzingis in this scenario, you do
maybe have still enough defense, Like a Kyrie Bradley Beal backcourt isn't great,
But like if you play smaller with Delawn Right mixed in with those two,
or like I said, having Denny Avda and Kyle Kuzma is a pretty big
boon, plus Kristoff's rim protection. I think the path would be it's Morris
Barton Hatchimura or like, are you willing to give up kiss Burt? And
that's it. Like it's probably something like like that, like those two plus
a lower end asset. I don't think you're giving up a first round pick,
just food for thought, and Kyrie was just so tough, So hopefully
that was creative enough for everyone. Donovan Mitchell, I don't know if I
feel like this one's too trendy because we've talked about it and I wanted to
put Okay see here. I made a video about how they should trade for
him. That was before they waved to Michael Green. And my entire basis
for that was just you have these two medium size salaries in Favors and Ja
Michael Green. You can step ladder your way with Josh Giddy some other smallest
salaries to get to Donovan Mitchell money. That option is just basically out the
window with Okay seasons they waved to Michael Green. They have Derrick Favors and
Josh Giddy. Are you know they combined to make like under seventeen million between
them, So yeah, you could feasibly get there, But are you trading
us Mon Jay and then Joyn Williams and Alex Say Pokachevski to get there.
It would just take too many salaries, knowing that Jay Giler Saxander's a non
starter, and then lu Dort just signed his extension, so it just gets
and you're not giving up Chet Homegren. In my opinion, for Donovan Mitchell,
the point would be parn Mitchell with Sga and Homegren. It is still
feasible. So if you want, I would love to seem in Okay,
see if you wanted to say that they're gonna give up Like the pick Tonnage
plus Derek Favors, it had to be Dereck Favors. You almost need Josh
Giddy in this deal. It's sixteen point five million right there, and then
you know Jayn Williams and or Uschman Jang and then one other player like a
Darius Basley. You don't even need that much money. I'm just using that
as an example. So you could still get there. It's just a little
bit messier now that you don't have the two filler salaries because all of a
sudden, Derek Favors is your one filler salary and then everyone else that you'd
be giving up. If it's Giddy, if it's Jag, if it's Jaleen
Williams, if it's a less Polkashevski, you consider them part of your core
at least maybe not if you're in trade them for Don Mitchell. So throw
oh Casey in there. I have Orlando as well. Okay, see Orlando's
Ac counts one because I feel like both have gained traction this year. The
package for Orlando, they just have the filler to make it the salaries work,
Like is it are they giving up Folds? Are they giving up Isaac
in that deal? It's just the primary salary matcher. They also have Terrence
Ross's money at twelve point five, So like, can you get theoretically even
move Gary Harris if he's indeed still trade eligible like I believe that he is,
So you can get there without giving up any of your core pieces except
for Don Mitchell probably cost you a core piece. So if it's one of
Sugs or Wagner and then the World and Picks and you're keeping Bank Carrow,
one of Sugs or Wagner. Pairing them with Donovan Mitchell and Wendell Carter Junior
is still there. Look, window Carter Junior even be part of the deal
too. It just depends on, like what variation of an offer are you
throwing out there. If you're including Wendell Carter Junior, are you also willing
to include Jael and Suggs or Franz Wagner. If you are, I think
that's gonna detract from the pick equity quite a bit. And we know Utell
wants pick equity. So my point is they have the salaries, they have
the the cornerstone youngsters. When you look at Wagner and Sugs, I would
I'm making Bean Carroll untouchable. I would consider moving Sugs for Mitchell. I
would I would again diminish the pick hall that I'm giving Utah for that,
but I would consider moving Sugs or Wagner for Mitchell. And then also,
just like o'kekey and Hampton and Coolante, those can be valuable. I don't
want to call them throw ins, but just like flyer youngsters, sort of
like how the Nicks have Cam Reddish, the Magic have Chumilkekey or Colanty is
more of a certainty than I think Cam Reddish at this point, but in
RJ. Hampton. So those offers are interesting and I would love to see
it. Are they on that timeline? That's where it gets iffy. This
next team is on the wind now timeline and it's the Cleveland Cavaliers. My
basis for this now is the Jazz. You're not gonna trade Evan Mobley,
and then you're not gonna trade get Darius Garland. He was just extended anyway,
and I don't think Utah's gonna want Jared Allen. Would I move Jared
Allen for Donovan Mitchell? Yes, I would if that's like the basis of
the offer here. But you have matching salary to get there without those three
Larry Marketing, Carris Lavert, Chetty Osman at at seven point four million,
even Isaac o'corro at seven point one. It's like you can get there do
any of those players that aren't Allen Garland and we didn't If you mentioned loves
expiring deal, but that would really be mean. I know he likes Utah,
but it would be mean to send him to a rebuilding team. What
is the appeal of their package without a Jared Allen, Evan Mobile or Derris
Thorn again. If the Jazz wanted Jared Allen, I think I would trade
him for Donovan Mitchell. With that said, I think you build your package
around Isaac okorro A Baji and then just all the picks and then salary filler.
So every single pick that you're able to tookive up. Is that enough?
It probably depends on how much they value Okoro and ak Baji. You
could also work it. It gets difficult with base your compensation, but you
can. Sorry I'm Blackie here. You can sign and trade Colin Sexton to
Utah. And maybe they're just looking for sort of this temporary offensive steward.
He's gonna make less money than a lot of people think, perhaps that something
Utah would be open to. And so there are avenues I think for them
to explore without breaking up their three best players. I would put Allen on
the table if it meant getting Mitchell again. It's gonna limit what else I'm
offering, But I don't know that anything else you were going to give is
attractive enough when you're looking at Okoro ak Baji. Yeah, I give those
two an Allen play picks for for Donovan Mitchell. I really think that I
would a Garland Mitchell front court would be great ideally, and I think more
realistically is it's your entire future draft. And then you're putting Okoro and a
Baji as the primary assets and surrounding them with money. Last three names here,
I have Marcus Morris Senior on here just because and I was talking about
this in our discord. I want to see with our good, our good,
loyal discord member, friend, family member, Bradon. I want to
see him Mir Coffee get minutes, and then Clipper Sands want to see Brandon
Boston Junior get minutes as well. There's just so many wings on this team,
and you can bake in injuries for Kawai, maybe some absences for Paul
George, even Norman Powell a little bit. There's just so many wings.
Can we open it up to spread some love to just a mere Coffee who
I'm absolutely enamored by. This is also a situation where I wondered, would
you just dump him because I don't. I think you'd prefer to get a
back up big but you're so far I know, we say Steve Bomber doesn't
care about the tax, but you're about to pay a tax bill. That's
like, I don't even know, like eighty trillion dollars my spreadsheet, I
don't have a math here, but it's I think they'll be more than forty
million dollars in tax payments. So that's a lot of tax payments. So
that's a huge tax bill, is my point. That's like, I don't
even well, I don't even know the actual tax paid. They're forty plus
million dollars into the tax Would you be the one just to give up Marcus
Morris to cut that down? Maybe you want to get a backup center out
of the deal. Again, no team has a trade exception that I can
see or have logged that would be large enough to take in Marks Moore Senior.
I do have three teams for him Sacramento. He doesn't really qualify as
a wing and but I'm fine with that. Like you can play you can
play him and Barnes and Keegan Murray at the same time if you really wanted
to, and then Fox and SI bonus. I would I would watch that
lineup. I don't you know, I don't know how good it would be
defensively, but I think you can absolutely do that. The paths to the
package. I think it's actually interesting. It's Rashaun Holmes and then like it
could be, I would say Terrence Davis like Rashaun Holmes and Terrence Davis for
Mark's Moore Senior Works, would be willing to give up Alex lenn just he's
a smaller salary. And then the Clippers all of a sudden have these three
traditional bigs. Can you get them to take on Trey Lyles. I don't
think that might. Oh yeah, that would get you to Marcus Morris money.
And they come really also close to being able to take in just Holmes
for Morris, but it's it's not quite there unfortunately. So that would be
the structure of a deal, and I think I really like it and I
would do it if I'm both teams have homes and zoobots as your primary biggs
in LA absolutely, I think that's a fantastic fit. So the other two
teams I have are Minnesota, which is I don't know how I feel about
this trade post Rudy Gobert, but they're clearly not afraid to play like super
Large, And so could you envision a scenario where Jaden McDaniels and Anthony Edwards,
Marcus Morris Senior and Rudy Goberton Towns or just your lineup I've proposed on
a previous pod, Norman Powell and Marcus Moore Senior for D'Angelo Russell. I
don't know that the Clippers would be as interested in that now that they signed
John Wall. Does Reggie Jackson and Marcus Morris Senior like wet Minnesota's whistle at
all? For that? That seems like a substantially less attractive package. Deal
had a pretty good year last year. I mean, there were so a
few moments in the postseason, but he had a really solid regular season,
so that I included a third team because I became a little bit more lukewarm
on that the Bucks. Can you get there? I think the question is
without trading Brook Lopez and of course any of your actual core players. I'm
not getting up Marjehan Bouchamp for Marcus Morris. If they really wanted to,
like and he was having a career year, I mean perhaps I think the
goal would be so Alan and George Hill, Grayson Allen, George Hill work.
I don't think the Clippers needing any of those guys. Grace and Allen's
deal is not as bad as people think. So if the Clippers just want
sort of another shooter, someone just really dead eye from beyond the arc two
years under nineteen million dollars at this point, yes, you could take him
on, and you're cutting your tax bill a little bit. I think the
goal would be, can you find teams to just absorb those other players?
Would toront would take George Hill into their trade exception? Can you get there
are trade exceptions big enough for Grace now to go into? But could you
compensate the Spurs or the Indiana Pacers enough to take him on? And so
that would sort of be the framework. And I think I love Milwaukee the
most just because the Jannis Morris, Middleton Drew Holiday. Let's say Conaton lineups
like those would be great. I know you then have Poris and Brook Lopez
on the bench, but that would be a killer playoff lineup to me.
Maybe you have Wes Matthews instead of Connaton, just depending on who you're going
up against. But there would just be a lot of optionality there. Ronda
context and I already spoiled one it was Houston, So just go with me
on this they have like that, or they still don't have the like floor
general of the future in their midst Maybe you feel very strongly about thy Thy
Washington. He plays bigger than he is. I really like him. I
hope they give him a shot. I'd rather see him run the offense than
Kevin Porter Jr. At this point, with Kevin Porter junior extension knowledgeable,
you have thy Thy Washington like Josh Christopher's hanging around there. Trey Burkes is
currently on the roster right now. You want Jalen Green to shoulder a ton
of a bunch of the offensive load like that might actually make a lot of
sense there. I like Colin Sexton's fit next to John Green better than Kevin
Porter Jr. Who has more off the dribble juice. I think Colin Sexton's
going to give you a more accomplished shooter when he's going to be healthy there
as well. And I think at this point I'm not crazy about either defense,
but Sexton would probably be the better on ball defender to me, even
if you think you can get some actual wing defense from from Porter, if
the price is like not astronomical, base share compensation comes into play here.
But like Eric Gordon, going to the Calves would make some sense and you
finagle the money going that route, there would need to be other parts involved,
and like I said, just depends on do you want to pay Kevin
Porter Junior. I don't know what his extension numbers going to be, but
context and it was, look, his market is created, or at least
Cleveland feels like they have leverage because he hasn't signed any of these other offers.
I didn't include in the add on this because they're just not a dark
horse. They're mentioned as, oh, well, they should just throw out
an offer sheet or work out a sign and trade for him. I ever
Lando as the other one, and so that's just sort of like, let's
put another shooter who can work on the ball, but also give us some
on ball offense to alleviate the job for Franz Wagner, Palo Bancaro, Wendell
Carter Junior, Jail and Suggs. I like his fit there and I think
that they just have the requisite defensive versatility to cover up for any concerns that
they have. I'm I'm a big believer in what Suggs could do at his
position defensively, let's not forget about Wendell Carter Junior and then Jonathan Isaac.
I'm actually convinced that Palabancarro is going to be a pretty good defender. Franz
Wagner was solid for the positional minutes that he played. Again, if it's
not going to cost you the world, and you have Terrence Ross, who's
someone who should interest the Calves in the interim, and then you work your
way back from there, like are you giving them faults? Who would probably
just have to be like the prime Like can you can't do faults and roster
Sexton unless you're paying Sexton a ship ton and that money gets difficult for Cleveland.
But like Terrence Ross and like Chumo Kiki for a Colin Sexton, maybe
you don't value Sexton that much because the track that you're on. But I
like the idea of Sexton sort of as this outlet, not super ball dominant,
and you'd want someone more talented to run your offense. But you still
have Stugs and Ben Carro and faults in that scenario. So just food for
thought on that one. Finally, Miles Turner, I have so I have
Memphis here, but I've talked about the Memphis deal like so many times,
and Grizzlies fans have been generally unhappy with me about it. I just think
you would lose a lot of Here's the thing, I'm not having them trace
Steven Adams for Miles Turner. I don't know that the Pacers would be super
interested in Steven Adams anyway. But you can get to Miles Turner's money,
which is a very low eighteen million dollars without including Steven Adams. Once you
can at Gate Danny Green. That's ten million right there. You just need
a few million bucks after it and whatever pick equity it's going to take,
or prospect equity which could count towards the money to bring Turner to Memphis.
And so that seems weird. But it's only for a year. Adams and
Turner both come off the books. How healthy will Jaren Jackson Junior be to
start the season. I know you'd be losing something with rebounding going from Adams
to Turner. Long term. You can also turn around then, by the
way, and use Steven Adams to anchor another trade if you were confident in
the Jackson Turner pairing. I know you're concerned about what would happen on the
glass also with your screen setting. I just like the idea of having too
sweet shooting or higher volume shooting bigs Jackson's more volume, and I mean Turner
is not the most lights out shooter, but I like the idea of it.
To see it in practice. If it's going to cost you green one
of your non Zaire Williams desmond Bane prospects, and then like a pick,
a very heavily protected pick to get Turner, I would really test out the
experiment just because it makes so much sense to surround John Morant with as much
spacing as possible. Yes, I get that you would want a better screener
than Turner, but like Steven Adams would still be there in this scenario,
and so maybe you viewed as a misallocation of assets, especially when you saw
Adams get played off the court during the postseason. Turner's not going to be
so easily played off the court, like he just has better I don't like
hip mobility, so to speak. When you're putting him in space, then
I Steven Adams is going to and Steven Adds was really good last year,
and I think he's there's an argument. I think Grizzlies fans are probably a
little bit too high about like how he how hard it is for him to
be played off the floor, And I'd agree to an extent, like I
don't view him as just like this complete liability, but his rebounding, his
boxing, boxing out the angles on his screens, his ability to just navigate
the floor away from the ball, misability to convert after getting offensive rebounds,
it's it's all super important. I just like the idea of Turner Memphis my
other one. They're not a typical dark horse team, but I haven't heard
them mentioned the Chicago Bulls and it's just like they don't have a ton to
offer. But Turners on an expiring contract India's cap space, would you go
from Bouch's twenty two million two Turner's eighteen million? And what asset do you
need to include? Is the buffer there? I would include Kobe White?
Was you Kobe White? The Portland first? It's lottery protected and voos for
a Turner if you're expecting Voods to have a bounce back here, I get
that it's tough to stomach if you can get Turner while keeping the zoon move
and Patrick Williams, who I wouldn't trade Williams for Turner anyway to soon move,
I probably wouldn't trade him either. Maybe are you confident in that,
like you have Turner and then if you really need more of a rebounding presence.
That's why Andre Drummond is on this team. He's a Turner's a better
room protector, the best room protector they would have. If that's the cost,
maybe like an India has the flexibility to just find out what's left in
Kobe White, who's going who's extensions? Are going to going to be a
restricted free agent? If they're going to get a first round pick out of
the deal, it's a lot of protective for Portland through twenty twenty eight.
It will convey at some point. So you could say you're getting a first
round pick, and I think that like that can be valuable. Maybe you're
chasing more of a distant pick. But Icago os it's twenty twenty five first
two, Orlando, oh no to the Spurs. Excuse me? So,
like you have to get a twenty twenty seven pick contingent upon that obligation.
So the framework to me is that Portland pick Kobe White and then vouch for
Turner. I don't know if that's enough for India. I think it's probably
right on the fringe right now, you would prefer anyone in the Lakers picks
if you include like Desoon move rather than the pick, or rather than Kobe
White, that might be a trump card, to be honest, I even
thought about, like, could you just build something around Lonzo Ball, Lonzo
Ball and Haliburton in the back court? Like might be weird, but I
would I would favor it. I would watch it. Are you that low?
And Lonzo Ball? Though, who when he was healthy with Alex Caruso
was mission critical to your defense. I think the framework is just booch to
Turner. What sweeteners need to be involved to get it done. I'm considering
basically anything in anyone that's not Patrick Williams in that scenario that was it.
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