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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

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news authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your

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host, Alejandro Roja. Hello,
my friends, and welcome to open Minds

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Radio, your UFO news authority.
This is Alejandro Rojas and we have another

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wonderful show today. Our guest is
Morgan Beial, who is the director of

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Technology for move On I uh,
you know put up there move On R

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and D Research and development. What
could move On be building? Have they

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been able to glean enough information from
their files on UFOs to create an extra

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terrestrial craft or perhaps even clone an
alien? Not quite yet, but they're

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building a really cool mobile app for
your phone. It's going to be out

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for the iPhone very soon and then
other phones soon thereafter. And we have

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Morgan here to tell us all about
it. He is also the state director

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for Southwestern Florida and he is a
Star Team member, so he's part of

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that elite team that goes and investigates
UFO settings. So he's going to be

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talking to us about all of that
in just a moment. But first,

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this is always a very exciting part
of the show. We have a gentleman

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by the name of Jason McClelland here
he follows the news because on Openminds dot

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TV we put up the news on
a regular basis to keep you up to

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speed on what is happening in the
UFO world. And we have Jason here

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to bring us a little bit of
that information. Jason, are you there,

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Alejandro? I am here. How
are you my friend? Good?

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Good? How are you excellent?
Sir? Let's get started with news.

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Hello everyone, this is your Open
Minds News Brief for Monday, October tenth,

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two thousand and eleven. Well,
we'll start off with a story about

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designs for a telescope that will search
for extraterrestrial life, and these designs have

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just been approved. Researchers from Oxford
and Durham Universities designed the European Extremely Large

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Telescope, also called the e ELT, which will reportedly be the largest instrument

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of his kind ever built. According
to the Telegraph, the EELT will be

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sensitive enough to take images of previously
unseen objects such as cold stars and more

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planets, and learn more about their
atmospheres, what they are made of,

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and whether they could support life.
The Extremely Large telescope would operate under the

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European Southern Observatory, also known as
the EESO, at a site in Chile.

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The decision of whether or not to
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be decided on by the e s
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and if approval is given to construct
the EELT, it will be ten tens

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of times more sensitive than any other
visible light sensing telescope on Earth. Tens

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of times, yes, tens of
times. Wow. They should be careful

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to call it the extremely large because
there'll be a bigger one that'll come along,

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and then it'll be the kind of
big telescope. I'm sure they won't

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run out of things to say.
You can always go go larger, the

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medium size to so so telescope.
Yeah. But you, you, my

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friend, are the king of coming
up with additional superlatence. I don't know,

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you're you're very good. It's marketing. Yes, you talk about the

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kajillions of planets, and I don't
know, I enjoy the words you come

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up with. If what you have
bigger and better is one or two times

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better than what the competition has,
the marketing rule is you or at least

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my marketing rule is you multiply that
by a zillion or a zillion trillion so

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that you say, what we have
here, just like our radio show,

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is two billion trillion times better than
any other show on the internet. Exciting,

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isn't it make you want to listen? What was that exact figure,

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two zillion trillion. I don't know
where you got that number, but I

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like it. Let's go with it. Well, I have another news story

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here about NASA and the recently completed
test seeing on a partially inflatable habitat that

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could be used on future missions to
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space. Now, I'm going to
describe this here a little bit, and

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it sounds really cool and I think
I want one. But this new habitat

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is yet another example of how NASA
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explore the galaxy and search for extraterrestrial
life. The Habitat Demonstration Unit, also

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known as the HDU, was tested
in the Arizona Desert, which provided a

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somewhat Mars like atmosphere, and Alejandro, you and I know that all too

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well. We live right in the
middle of it. It's very Mars like

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here. And according to MIT's Technology
Review quote, the current prototype housing unit

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has a hard cylindrical shell, contains
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mitigation and hygiene, and an inflatable
component that adds a second level for sleeping

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and relaxing. This thing sounds more
luxurious than my house. Technology Review explains

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that the unit could be adapted for
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asteroid, or even used as a
free flying space habitat. Watch out,

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Robert Bigelow. That sounds like that's
kind of infringing on Bigelow's territory there,

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Bigelow Aerospace with their inflatable habitats up
in space. But the results gathered from

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the unit's testing were presented last week
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Space twenty eleven conference in Long Beach, California. Cool, very cool,

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and the pictures are cool. Looks
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much cooler looking than a mobile home. And they've even got these compartments where

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the little moon buggies can pull up
and attach so that people from the Moon

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Buggy can get back into their little
unit. But that's cool making developments there,

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and Alejandro, we talk about every
week, I think we are getting

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closer and closer to another manned Moon
mission, or Amar's mission, or depending

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on who you talk to, our
first Moon mission. Sorry, I had

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to throw that in their, Alejandro, just in case some people think we

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have never been to the Moon,
and that is debatable. In other news,

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we have a story about, Oh, let's see, scientists speculate that

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et civilizations are rare. And I
don't know about this one, Alejandro,

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tell me what you think. But
the sixty second International Astronomical Convention. There

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seems to be a lot of astronautical
conventions going on lately, but this is

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the sixty second International Astronautical Convention that
took place recently at the International Convention Center

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in Cape Town, South Africa.
SETI League Executive Director Emeritus Paul Shutch participated

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in the convention and spoke about searching
for radio from extraterrestrial civilizations. In doing

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so, the topic of the Wow
signal came up. And for those of

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you who don't know, the Wow
signal was a radio signal detected by doctor

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Jeremy Aimon on August fifteenth, nineteen
seventy seven with Ohio State University's Big Ear

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radio telescope. The signal, named
after Amon's reaction, was quote so strong

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that it catapulted the Big Ear's recording
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that's according to the Big Ear's website, the Wow signal has never been detected

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again. Just described it as quote
one of those things that goes bump in

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the night and then is gone forever. The Cape Times explains that the signal

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quote bore all the hallmarks at the
time of its detection of having a non

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Earth origin end quote, but after
thirty four years of silence, Shuz speculates

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that intelligent life is probably rare in
the universe. At the conference, he

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explained, quote, when Seidi signed
it's first started in the early nineteen sixties,

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we optimistically assumed this would be a
short duration project and show immediate success.

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It's taken us this half a century
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not going to be so easy.
Civilizations are more rare, more elusive.

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And this, of course is based
purely on the lack of detected radio signals

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and makes a huge assumption that all
extraterrestrial civilizations are out there broadcasting radio signals

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that we can pick up well,
and it all depends on this we because

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we meaning this person and their buddies. Because there were a lot of people,

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even in the SETI community, who
knew it would be a long time

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in a difficult task, and of
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there are a lot of people who
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even if there were extraterrestrials out there, like an article we wrote too long

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ago with the NSSAY scientists who were
talking about this, that there are so

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many technologies that we don't understand that
most likely would be used by another more

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advanced civilization that just listening to wavelengths
that we know about might not ever be

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fruitful, right, And I don't
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I assume there's a difference here,
But just because something is called SETI doesn't

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mean they're all related. I mean
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for extraterrestrial intelligence. And this gentleman
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and I'm assuming that's different than the
SETI Institute. Yeah, so you're right,

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the we you know, they that
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Alejandro, I know you're going to
love me for this because I'm I'm

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consistent here again, and I've got
another fireball UFO story for you. There's

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a lot of them. Watch out
for those fireballs, Well this one.

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A witness watched a fireball UFO burn
its way across the sky above Sandusky,

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Ohio, on the night of Tuesday, October fourth. Three men witnessed the

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burning object, including Robert Lowry,
a seven to eleven clerk, who saw

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the UFO when he was carrying cardboard
boxes to the store's dumpster. Lowry was

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hesitant to tell anyone about the event
because of that horrible stigma attached to UFOs.

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He explained to the Sandusky Register,
quote that's one of those things.

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If there's nobody else around to see
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it. People will think you're crazy. End quote. Two other men who

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were two blocks away from the seven
to eleven also witnessed the object in the

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sky. Daniel Harps explained, quote
I looked up and this huge fireball went

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right over. He was on fire
and had a long streaming tale end quote.

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Harp's friend Monty Prier added quote.
All I can tell you is it

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was a UFO end quote. Harps
later came into the seven eleven where Lowry

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works, and asks the clerk if
he had seen the fireball UFO. The

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two men shared their experiences and agreed. The object moved from the southwest to

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the northeast and disappeared somewhere over Lake
Erie after approximately four seconds. According to

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the Sandusky Register, the FAA didn't
detect anything unusual on radar that night.

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Local astronomers say the object was probably
a meteor, but Lowry told the Sandusky

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Register quote, I've seen a lot
of strange things in my life, but

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this was a chart topper. But
the UFO has now been identified. According

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to the Sandusky Register, Bellevue astronomer
and Huron Valley Astronomer Group president Paul Shulden

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claims the object was something called a
I just looked up how to pronounce this,

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Alejandro, and I don't remember.
It's a bull eyed. That's how

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it's pronounced, A bully and a
bull eyed. A bull eight is a

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bright media that often explodes. And
I think you've seen a few of these,

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Lejandro, haven't you. Ah No, something similar kind of kind of

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but that's what this this individual,
this astronomer says is what people saw.

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But we'll just have to take his
word for it. Well, it does

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sound sort of like an astronauty,
it really does, absolutely and with just

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a period in the sky of four
seconds, this kind of bursting and disappearing.

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I mean, driving out to the
desert, like I've talked about,

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often, I see things that are
more amazing than what I had seen before,

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these incredible meteorites. And of course
the one a few weeks ago was

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that was a chart topper that was
absolutely incredible. But you know, I'm

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quite certain it was a meteor just
gigantic breaking up in the sky where your

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pictures to prove it it it was
only a few seconds. I have no

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proof. Shame for shame. Now
I'm jealous you got to see that,

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because that sounded like quite an event, and you're right this this does most

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likely sound like some sort of natural
phenomena. So we'll let them have that

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one. But Alejandro, I've got
another UFO sighting here, and this one's

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kind of fun. I like this
one. So dozens of witnesses reported strange

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lights flying in a v formation above
Kansas City, Missouri, According to Fox

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four News in Kansas City, a
witness recorded the mysterious lights with a cell

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phone on the night of Monday,
October third, but other reports indicate that

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lights have been seen on multiple nights. According to Margie k, assistant stage

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director for MUFON that's the mutual ufoone
network, witnesses saw the lights on Monday,

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Tuesday, and Wednesday of last week. She explains that the reports are

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of quote, very large craft hovering
in different areas, and that's quite unusual

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because normal airplanes do not have that
behavior. Helicopters do, but these are

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not described as helicopters end quote.
Fox four News states that k contacted local

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airports looking for help identifying any of
the eighty two UFO sidings reported. The

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airport helped her determine that some of
the sightings could be explained by stunt planes

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that were in the air at the
time. Further evidence suggests that that stuntplane

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theory could be true. Fox four
News reported on October seventh that KC Flight,

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a civilian air formation team, came
forward to claim responsibility for the lights

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in the sky. Pilot Philip Lamb
explained that he and his eight man team

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quote practices at night because the city
lights illuminate the planes end quote. He

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further explained that quote during their flight, the plane's wings are typically three feet

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apart and are stacked approximately three to
four feet above or below each other,

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causing the planes to appear like a
single object from the ground. If the

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lights that were observed by at least
eighty two people were the result of city

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lights illuminating these stunt planes, it
would seem logical to assume that the other

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airplanes in the sky are also illuminated
by city lights. But other airplanes don't

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seem to have caused the buzz generated
by the mysterious lights in the sky last

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week. Additionally, several witnesses reported
seeing the lights hover then shooting off quickly.

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As Cave previously stated, that isn't
normal behavior for airplanes now. But

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they had to have had lights on. I mean, it couldn't have been

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I think the reflections, they would
have to have some sort of light on.

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I would think so that that AA
regulation absolutely. Yeah, So yeah,

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that's a tough one. But also
other airplanes in the night are going

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to have lights on, but they're
not going to be flying in formation like

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these guys supposedly were right. They
were stunt pilots. Correct. But if

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you look at the photos, and
I think there's video mavi, you just

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photo. But each of the individual
lights is quite bright, you know,

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certainly brighter than you would you expect
just a single airplane to be with their

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lights and paired with illumination from city
lights. I mean, they're abnormally bright.

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They could just be these planes.
They could be because they're illuminated more

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because they're flying at a lower altitude. I don't know, Yeah, I

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don't think that it makes sense that
illumination from city lights on planes. That's

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kind of silly at the night.
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they're flying like right above the street
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I could see, you know,
because I've been fooled with a plane that

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comes straight at you, like we
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at you, these flights would look
really bright, but they would probably look

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well, if they were at it
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if they're coming right at you, they'll

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just look like they're hovering and then
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they shoot off. But when they
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in formation? Yeah, I imagine, So, I mean that's that's what

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these stunt planes do. They fly
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move at the same time. That's
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weird. I don't know. I
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exactly so then they can compare it
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a brief search, I couldn't find
this this flight company online anyway, this

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KC Flight. I did find a
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in a different state, and this
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I tried to find some video or
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but I couldn't find any. So, yeah, we just have this picture

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to work with, and you know
the witness testimony. Will you make a

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good point with perspective, sometimes planes
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for more formation and they're making this
big turn in the sky, depending on

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what angle they're at, it could
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anyway, but they are airplanes.
They have to keep moving. Yeah,

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so the description of hovering and then
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airplanes. So that's strange. It's
very strange, although I can still see

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it personally. I mean, if
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that's a long time exactly, I
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comparatively well. And also if they're
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and then they go into a dive, then it's gonna look like they're

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shooting off. And if they're really
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No doubt, they're gonna be cool
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fun to watch because they would look
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well, you've got this bizarre illuminated
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the sky. Yeah. So anyway, that's that, and Alejandro, that

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is it for the news. Be
sure to check out all of these stories

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and so many more at Openminds dot
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I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds
News correspondent, and you've been briefed,

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Alejandro. I hope you mentioned the
article you just put up today,

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because I didn't mention that. I
wanted to save that for you. All

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right, Yeah, I'll talk about
that, and remember, we have a

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lot more news. There's Phoenix,
there is another UFO siding. Uh.

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This UFO phil we've talked about is
up to some more strangeness. There are

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pilots in Moscow who saw UFOs.
So there's a lot more UFO news on

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our website. If you go to
Openminds dot tv and go to the new

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section, you'll see all the headlines
and all of the really cool UFO news

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that's going on out there. As
far as our articles, which we put

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up on a regular basis as well, we've got some good stuff there.

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We do have a story on a
UFO signing by a Mexican president. Louise

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at Scheveria et Scheveria Antonio wrote this
story and it's very interesting. This guy

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in the seventies or possibly late sixties. There's a little bit of controversy on

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the date, but probably nineteen sixty
eight because there was a blackout and he

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said he had this siding during a
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he was at a stately affair and
you know, people started talking about UFOs

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and they were kind of dismissive and
making fun and he piped up and says,

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well, I saw a UFO.
And he tells him a story about

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how him and his wife and a
family friend who was actually a famous dancer,

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had seen a UFO during a blackout
and he felt that the UFO was

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responsible for the blackout. So,
as far as Antonio knows, this story

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hasn't been told in English. So
it's a really interesting story that you can

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find on our website. Also,
as Jason mentioned, I have a new

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story up on the August twenty eleven
UFO wave. You may remember that there

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was a lot of news when Clifford
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in August, and so I ran
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that out. Sure enough, just
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usually get five hundred sightings a month, they got over a thousand in August.

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So I tried to find out where
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you know, what might have happened. Was this a mistake in reporting?

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are all valid. There was an
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state in particular had an unusual amount
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wasn't one mass sighting in one state. Connecticut I found had a lot of

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sightings more than usual. They only
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had thirty eight reported in August,
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more than usual, and you know, it's six zillion times more than they

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usually get. That's multiplying more than
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a lot of sightings. That still
doesn't account for how they had five hundred

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more sightings at move On than they
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look at the state figures, it
seems like the sightings were scattered across the

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country as normal. The places that
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of sightings. So it's hard to
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breakdown and these graphs where I thoroughly
analyzed the shapes of the UFOs that were

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being seen in I guess, so
you can take a look at that and

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see for yourself. Now, I'm
also going to write some more stories this

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week because I found some other really
interesting information as far as hotspots when it

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comes to UFO sidings, and this
is going to be great. So stay

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tuned to Openminds dot tv for more
on that. However, now let us

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go ahead and get on the line. Morgan Biele, like I said,

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he is the director of technology for
mofon and he has some exciting news on

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advanced technology that move On is going
to be utilizing and hopefully this is going

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to help them in collecting their citing
reports as well. I am very excited

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to have the technology director for move
On move On R and D that Morgan

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Biel on the phone. Morgan,
are you there, Yes, I am

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hello. It's good to talk to
you. Absolutely. Yeah, what a

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cool job? Is that cool?
If I added the R and D because

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that's that's the research and development kind
of exciting Hell yeah, probably not as

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exciting as so, yeah, makes
it sound a little bit more fun.

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Yeah. You probably don't have a
secret lab or anything, no, but

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I'm thinking of building one that would
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sweet. How long have you been
doing this? Well, I mean I've

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been interested in the phenomenon for about
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eight years. And I decided about
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half years ago to get seriously involved
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and the scientific methods, and you
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some of their you know, forms
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when they do some of these k
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So I got heavily involved, became
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became very busy, very quickly,
because, as you know, Florida's like,

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knew it, I had you know, five six cases at a time in

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some cases, so it's I got
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became the state section director for Southwest
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people within the community here in Florida
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I just kept going from there.
I kept, you know, wanting

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to get more involved, and I
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started out with the Star Team project
pretty early on because of my background I

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I do. I'm an industrial hygiene
consultant during the day, and so I

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deal a lot with hazardous materials testing, ground at water testing as fast ast,

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mold, you know, all that
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I kind of utilized my day job, I guess, my my experience there

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and in moved on, so it
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So I became heavily involved in the
first SIP project and and then the

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new uh Star team that that reopened
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of that and uh it just moved
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some really neat projects that we're working
on and like redeveloping the website, uh,

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you know, creating an app for
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some technical papers for move On.
I helped create the the new formal report

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form, and there's two of them
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just prior to the symposium, and
we're going to start actually publishing those,

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so you know, along those lines. So busy, busy, Yeah,

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I'm gonna put you on the spot
and ask a tough question just because I

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know it's on at a lot of
the listener's mind, and it's great to

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have someone from the inside answer these
questions. But as an SIP member,

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that was the project with Robert Bigelow
that he was funding, how did you

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feel about that project? Because of
course, as you know, there's been

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some controversy around Oh yeah, I
mean we all know that, and we're

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I'm okay about talking about it.
It's pretty open. Everybody knows. There

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were mistakes made on several fronts.
But it was a big project. It

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was a real it was an experiment. A lot of money was involved and

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a lot of a lot of work. I mean the cases that I won

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on I was, you know,
eighteen hours straight. It was no joke,

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you know, and I did a
lot of serious work. And you

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know, again like most UFO cases, and I only say that not to

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be cynical, but most of the
cases, you know, end up having

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a dead ends where there's no evidence
or you know, it's just like most

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cases. And every now and then
we got lucky, even got really good

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intriguing cases. And so it's my
opinion about it is that, you know,

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I wish it could have been done
better, but it was. It

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was a good experiment. It was
a good start to I mean, this

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has never really been done before other
than like Projects blue Book or something where

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they actually put a lot of funding
into something like this. And so I

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think both parties learned from it,
and I think anything that came out of

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it, which is now what we
have now is so much better and we're

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developing new things to create a better
team atmosphere. You know, a lot

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of the big criticism was that the
state directors didn't have any any involvement and

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sometimes didn't know about cases, and
and we we correct at that. Now

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it's exclusively involved with the state directors, and now we're utilizing a team based

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approach to these cases where the star
teams investigators are the most experienced just by

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you know, being selected based off
of their experience and know how, but

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they managed the cases and they can
utilize the entire state's resources to get the

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case done, and they're from that
state, so it's it's no different than

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having a normal case. It's just
being structured differently so they get more help

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on a case that requires more resources. So, right, and I miss

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a lot of things. Did you
see any ill intent or on any party

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during that project. Your safe I
saw, yeah, I know, I

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know what you mean. Yeah,
the question came up, and I saw

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stuff. But what I saw was
more or less mistakes on both sides,

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right, just reckless, you know, not untentional. I wouldn't say they

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were you know, there wasn't any
malice or anything like that. No one

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was trying to you know, do
anything to anybody. I think it was

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just a lot of mistakes. You
know, like on the big old side,

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you had a few of these investigators
that were literally hired to do work.

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You know, I thought this was
cool. This is the first time

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they've ever dealt with the UFO phenamen. So they were thinking X files,

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cooking dagger, you know, this
is you know, it's it was more

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extravagant than it really was. And
then get on our side, you know,

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the kind of conflict where you're dealing
with somebody who's never dealt with this

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subject matter. But on a scientific
side, you know, Biggel'll have some

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really excellent and very intelligent people.
I worked with some really nice guys in

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that in that outfit. But you
know, again, it's just like in

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any organization, you'll get a few
people that just don't belong there. So

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yeah, it's like in any big
organization, it just run into things like

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that a lot. And I think
I think it was a necessary step and

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I think we both parties learned quite
a bit from it, and I think

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the only good will come out of
it in the end. Yeah. I

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mean, with volunteer organizations, everybody
want to do the right thing, and

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well you know have but they all
have a similar goal. It's just especially

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when you're limited in time and resources, figuring out how to do it is

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the hard part. And just because
people make mistakes or have differences opinion doesn't

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necessarily mean that there's any sort of
that's the thing. There's no time for

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conspiracy. Everybody's too busy, exactly, And that's the thing, you know,

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I mean, don't get me wrong. And we you know, of

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course, we always have those cases
where we have those guys show up and

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on marked cars and conspiratory stuff like
that. I mean, that happens.

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it was exactly what you said it
was. It was people making true and

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honest mistakes. And you know,
you know, you have character difference,

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the differences between people. Some people
don't get along. It's going to happen,

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and especially under those conditions when you're
doing these highly stressful long term investigations,

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right. You know, I'm so
glad I was compensated for that because

406
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.799
I wouldn't have been able to do
it. You know, there's no way.

407
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.559
With the travel and the amount of
work that I had to do.

408
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.079
I had to make off work,
you know, things like that, and

409
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:07.920
it was it was a real job. But in my opinion, for me,

410
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:13.200
it was definitely worth every minute because
I learned so much about that world,

411
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.720
about investigating, even more than I
already did. You know, it

412
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:21.960
was it was. I think it
was a huge learning experience for our community

413
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.359
as a whole. And you know, the big criticism I guess that comes

414
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:28.480
out of it is nothing was ever
shared. Well, there was a whole

415
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:32.079
lot to share scientifically, but there's
a lot of interesting stories and we're hoping

416
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.920
with the new website, we're actually
going to have a whole starting section where

417
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.200
we're going to actually be releasing old
docs and new docks, you know,

418
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.680
talking about cases, maybe having a
few interviews with our new radio kind of

419
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.480
we're doing like a podcast kind of
deal. But you know, and we'll

420
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.039
start bringing that stuff out and the
kind of thing that people have criticized,

421
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:58.240
we really never had a venue to
kind of talk about this stuff, you

422
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.599
know. So it now we're create
that and we're coming up with new technique,

423
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:07.000
new wasted really information blow coming out. Yeah, and people say that,

424
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:08.800
you know, when I was in
contact with Richard Lank, he gave

425
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:14.360
us the material and we printed in
our magazine even what he felt was the

426
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.360
best cases. I mean, it's
not like that information was hidden. Like

427
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:22.599
you said, there's just not necessarily
different places or places to get it out.

428
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.239
Well, yeah, there just wasn't
a way or a venue to do

429
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.800
it correctly anywhere or in an organized
fashion, you know. And just like

430
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:32.880
the report I sent you, there's
a way I could fit that, and

431
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:37.440
they didn't in the journal. I
mean they only put four pages, right,

432
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.800
and that's the seventy eight page report. So it kind of you know,

433
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.760
kind of tells you the challenges that
we have and we're trying to update

434
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:50.960
everything, you know, technology hence
my title. You know, we're trying

435
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.920
to we're really building a comprehensive website
so people can use it as a resource

436
00:34:54.000 --> 00:35:00.119
to get to those types of big
reports, and so people really get a

437
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:04.559
g of the magnitude of this phenomenon, and I think once they start to

438
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.360
see how much work is being put
into it, a lot of those criticisms

439
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:12.199
won't go away, but they'll say, oh, okay, well, now

440
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:16.119
I understand why didn't they kill us
this before? So it's I think it's

441
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:20.679
it's going to turn out in a
positive way. Yeah, Hey, are

442
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:25.159
you moving around or something? The
phone kind of going in and out.

443
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.360
It's quiet, matter, quiet lotter. It might be because I'm near a

444
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:37.280
wireless system. Yeah, is that
better? Yeah, let's see. I'll

445
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.000
just hang out in the front of
my house. No, okay, all

446
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:45.119
right, great, we'll talk about
some more of the cases you've worked on

447
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.159
in just a minute. But I
did want to mention talk about a couple

448
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:53.320
other things. One is that you've
got a Volunteer of the Year at the

449
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:59.079
symposium for twenty eleven. Congratulations on
that. Yeah, that was a that

450
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:05.519
was a definite I know. And
h and Patty or office personnel for HQ.

451
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.599
Uh, they kept their lips and
they were looking at me funny during

452
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:14.119
that time, and I'm like,
what's going on. I'm not and I'm

453
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:15.840
sitting at their table and all of
a sudden, I hear my name and

454
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:20.039
I turn around and there Clifford,
you know, point at me. And

455
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.000
so I was pleasantly surprised. You
know, I I'm kind of you know,

456
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:28.320
I kind of keep it in a
bookshelf sitting on its side. I

457
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.440
don't really put it. I'm like
one of those people I get it.

458
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.199
If I get that award, I'll
look at it and be like, you

459
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.480
know, I kind of feel pretentious, but I put it on the wall.

460
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.679
But no, it was an honor. I really enjoyed that event and

461
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.400
I was glad to receive that reward. But you know, I have so

462
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.800
much more to do, and it's
it goes beyond volunteerism. It's it's for

463
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.440
me anyway. It's it's really had
a life mission for me to help out

464
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:59.639
in this community. And I think
I can have a real positive impact with

465
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.960
me on and UH. And we're
already starting to do that, building a

466
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.599
comprehensive team for web development UH,
all the way from getting a financier and

467
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:13.280
UH and a really good cart brassroots
team to build a an app for a

468
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.079
move On and you know, just
going on Beyond that, there's so many

469
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:20.519
more projects that are that are ready
to get started. I think a lot

470
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.920
of this stuff is really going to
change our community on how we interact with

471
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:28.440
the phenomenon. So I'm really looking
forward to it. Yeah. Cool,

472
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.360
Now, do you have much to
do with the UFO stocker. No,

473
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:36.000
there's another gentleman who built the stocker. We're actually going to be pulling him

474
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:42.480
into work with a few of these
programmers. But we're going to be enhancing

475
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.159
some of that kind of coding and
actually creating we don't really have a name

476
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:52.800
for it, but creating some analysis
tools for the cms, uh, utilizing

477
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:59.320
the same type of what they call
XML or you know external databases where we'll

478
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.639
be able to to actually make contour
maps, extrapolate data, you know,

479
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:08.280
make barographs and you know, piagraph
charts to kind of give people an you

480
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:13.159
know, the ability to analyze that
the data that move On's been collecting for

481
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.519
so many years. So we're really
looking forward to that. And and part

482
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:21.199
of that map tracker, you know, is kind of with a start back

483
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.960
in the day, and we're really
hoping to enhance out of that movie we

484
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:30.360
start developing the website and and the
database, So a lot coming down the

485
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.599
tunes, a lot being worked on
right now. So cool. Yeah,

486
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.679
that's exciting because the UFO s socctors
neat, I mean the twitters, you

487
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.159
can get the sightings as they they
come up. It's it's pretty cool.

488
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:44.559
And what's really cool too, of
course, is the project you have been

489
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:52.679
working on, the move on mobile
application UFO Connect. Yes, UFO connect

490
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:59.559
Man. That's been an adventure,
one of my uf The two partners in

491
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:05.280
it and putting this together is we
have John Holtzklaw who's a three D animator

492
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:10.079
and he's done a lot of that
type of material. And and then in

493
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.960
Jeffrey Smith, who was kind of
our CEO kind of type person who find

494
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:21.519
funded it and got it started in
business wise, I mean unbelievable amount of

495
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:25.800
stuff we had to do to just
to become a an Apple developer, and

496
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.280
and then we had to do all
the trademarkings and copyrights and so we got

497
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.400
all that done. So it's almost
been nine months and he kind of put

498
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.360
it this way like it's like giving
it. It's like giving birth to a

499
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:44.199
chield. It's nine months and we're
almost there launch. It's officially launching on

500
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.679
November first. Right now, it's
in public data, which means he could

501
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:52.639
probably go there and get it,
but it's still under development. So you

502
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.280
know, just be mindful that the
official data is for November first, and

503
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.719
we are really looking forward to that
just to give you and I don't know

504
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:07.719
if you want to know the intricasees
of the appeal. Yeah, it's not

505
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:14.679
like your typical app. It's very
complex, you know. Like I said,

506
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:20.400
it's taken months to design and program, and it's actually three apps in

507
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.559
one application. So we give up
to these ideas with three different apps and

508
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:29.199
we went ahead and put them into
one. Obviously. The first one is

509
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:34.360
to move On mobile application, which
basically emulates our online content and we're still

510
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.719
developing it. But online content and
other items like news, we use a

511
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.880
lot of the Examiner dot com Roger
Marsh's news, so you can go right

512
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:50.800
there and get the latest and he
extrapolates the top cases from our CMS database

513
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.960
and so that helps generate a lot
of drive to look at some of the

514
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.960
cases that come into move On.
So there's all sorts of things you can

515
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.800
do on there, visit the forums, shop and move on that sort of

516
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:02.960
thing. And that's the free portion
of the app. Of course, you

517
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.199
know, being a very comprehensive app, it costs quite a bit of money

518
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:12.320
to build and getting Grammars and the
correct people to do it. So,

519
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.840
but we do have to put the
other portions on for sale and then they're

520
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.760
cheap. It's like two ninety nine, I think in four ninety nine,

521
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:24.719
and one of them is a called
UFO Search and it's an that's and just

522
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:29.000
so people know, that's just a
one time fee, right yeah, once,

523
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.719
I mean that's not less. Maybe
like five years down line when we

524
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:37.800
make a giant upgrade, it'll be
like a dollar. That's like that's a

525
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.760
long time ago from now. But
no, the the the yes, one

526
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:46.440
time de No, there's no monthly
fees on these things. The the UFO

527
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:52.239
Search portion of the app actually utilizes
their database just like the map does,

528
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.800
uh, the the the soccer except
to put a little bit more, but

529
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.119
you can look into geographically where all
the sports are in the database. So

530
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.800
it actually you can go into a
search, you generate your search on what

531
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.599
you want to see, and it
pops up on the map and shows you

532
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.239
all these pinpoints all over the map. It puts whatever you're looking for and

533
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.920
you can actually click on those and
read the descriptions from the people and they're

534
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.079
working on getting the files to work, so you can actually see any visible

535
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:22.679
either videos or photos to work in
that app, so if there's anything attached

536
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.599
to it. In cases, you
can click right on them and geographically locate

537
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:29.480
them and say, oh wow,
that one's close to my house and you

538
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.079
can actually click on it and read
all about that sighting that occurred in that

539
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:38.920
area. And of course the big
one, this one was our kind of

540
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:44.159
golden egg. We really love this
portion of the app. It's really fun

541
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:49.199
to use. It's called the SkyWatch
Alert and it's a live alert system that

542
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:53.400
allows anybody that has the app to
if they're out skywatching or if they see

543
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:57.280
something, they can cool their phone
out real quick, generate a report in

544
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:01.400
less than ten seconds. Place an
alert and you can get a top of

545
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.840
you know, you can make it
very complex. You can write all that

546
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.119
a book about it on there or
whatever, or you can take confectors and

547
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.960
literally put a report on there and
once that goes in there whatever setting,

548
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:16.239
anybody else on that network who hasn't
an app has a setting either for Florida,

549
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:19.920
Texas, California. However, they
have it set up to get it

550
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.519
an alarm, and you can set
up multiple alarms. They'll instantly get that

551
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.079
alarm coming across the network. So
as soon as it goes onto the network,

552
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.599
it goes onto everybody's phones that has
that area set up. The water

553
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:34.840
Oh that's really cool. Yeah,
yeah, it's really neat. And you

554
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.599
get and you know, it goes
off, you hear the alarm, you

555
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:40.320
go in, you say, yeah, I view it. And when you're

556
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:45.280
not in the app, it'll give
you a push notification and so and you

557
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.880
hear the alarm too, and uh. And you can turn the alarm off

558
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.400
and go to default and it just
can see that little you know, bling

559
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:58.880
down. But otherwise you can pick
through some pretty uh fund use alarms and

560
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.199
but yeah, you can essentially use
it as a live alert system. So

561
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:05.599
if you're just sitting around, I
can't tell you how many times I've missed

562
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.280
on a case, but I looked
at that I was assigned that was literally

563
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:13.519
miles a few miles away from going
outside and seen miss spending. It's high

564
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:20.079
work. Cool for it, and
this I think will will help facilitate kind

565
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.960
of a UH in your own hands
disclosure. You go out, you see

566
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.840
phenomenon and you decide for yourself.
You look at it, you see what

567
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.039
other people are the same. And
that's the whole thing is to get the

568
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.239
community involved, you know, and
look at this stuff when it's happening,

569
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.280
so more witnesses, you know,
Yeah, that is so cool because I

570
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.639
can see and I can't wait till
the first time this happens, because I'm

571
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:45.519
sure it will happen where someone will
post something and then you'll know, you'll

572
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:51.400
have other people look whether you know
it's it's you know, a large media

573
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.760
orright like you know, I saw
one out, that big one in Phoenix

574
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.960
recently. But if that would it
deems and other people would have known to

575
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.920
look up and and they would have
seen it too. Or of course a

576
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:07.960
real event that just imagine if we
had that back when the Phoenix vice happened,

577
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.960
there could have been even more witnesses. Oh absolutely, And because you

578
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.119
know, like Texas the event Texas, the one that's happening right now,

579
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.840
and what was it? Is it
Missouri? I think it's Missouri. Yeah,

580
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:23.880
And you know, those those types
of things happen where the whole community

581
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:28.559
will get these alarms from actual witnesses
that are in their area or wherever they

582
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:30.280
have it set up. And this
is a worldwide app, so people all

583
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:36.280
over the world can actually use it. So it's it's it's really it's going

584
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.320
to be great the first I think
the first version, Yes, the first

585
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:43.280
version is going to be Apple,
It's going to be on iPad and uh

586
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:45.960
an iPhone, and then the next
phase of the development is going to be

587
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:50.199
putting it on droid phone, so
you know, don or a droid phone

588
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.800
lovers, you're going to get it
too, so it uh, yeah,

589
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:57.920
go ahead. I was going to
ask how long the droid people have to

590
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.960
wait, Well, we're hoping by
the beginning of next year. We need

591
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.559
at least four or five months to
develop it. But the coding right now,

592
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.599
the hardest part was actually pre development, so longest, so I think

593
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.960
a lot of that time will be
cut off once we get into the droid

594
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:23.639
app development. So I'm literally just
translating the code over to the droid OS

595
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:29.679
operating system. So it's awesome.
Ckily, I have an iPhone so I

596
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:31.840
can get it quick. Yeah,
there you go. Actually, I went

597
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.239
to look for it earlier and I
couldn't get the beta. Unfortunately I couldn't

598
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.239
find it, so it should be
betas should be up there. It's going

599
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:43.119
to be a full version that's on
there, but it's again like I said,

600
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.800
I'd wait. November is when we're
going to have the nice glossy version

601
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:53.039
out and we h it should be
in good shape and ready to roll on

602
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:57.880
November first. Awesome. Well I'm
excited about that. That's really cool.

603
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.000
So this is pretty exciting, and
you know, people can go to ufo

604
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:06.199
connect dot com and look at what
the app is going to look like because

605
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:09.079
it's really good looking too. Yeah. Yeah, we spend a lot of

606
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:14.079
time on the artwork. We really
try to get the feeling. I designed

607
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.960
the logo kind of the circle within
the circle with a little satellite around it.

608
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:22.679
Yeah, very cool, and you
know it kind of gives everybody kind

609
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.559
of an icons that's UFO Connect,
I know what that is and hopefully over

610
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.760
in many years more support and rows. And you know, we tried to

611
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.840
do that through a lot of social
media. So we have a Facebook page,

612
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:37.480
so if you guys could get on
there and support us also on Twitter

613
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.960
and whatnot and give us feedback.
We listen to everybody, and trust me,

614
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.760
we shoot that stuff directly to the
programmers, and we really try to

615
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.159
make it, you know, an
app for everybody. We want everybody to

616
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.199
like this and to be able to
use it. Yeah. So ufoconnect dot

617
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:58.840
com is where people can go and
look at all the different types of the

618
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.559
apps you talked about. You have
a lot of the of screenshots of what

619
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:06.559
it'll look like, and then of
course they can get to your Twitter and

620
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:10.760
the Facebook for UFO connect there.
But ufo connect dot com. Yeah,

621
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.159
it's real simple. So and how
did it start? I mean, did

622
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:20.079
you whose idea and did you did
you go to like move on and say

623
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:22.400
hey, I want to do this
and they were like sweet, Well,

624
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.440
it was kind of like, you
know, friend, we're sitting there,

625
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.599
three of us met John and Jeff, sitting at dinner, and we were

626
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:37.000
like, you know, contemplating he
he just joined, I join and become

627
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.320
a field investigator. And of course
my friend John was like, nah,

628
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:44.559
I'll just get the magazine that worked
for me. And we're just trying to

629
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.119
think and we were you know,
we're talking about markets and what's been active

630
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:51.559
in technology, and we set apps
and then we said what about it?

631
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:53.320
And you know, Jeffrey is actually
the first one that kind of initiated the

632
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:55.920
discussion, and he said, what
about, uh, you know, what

633
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.519
about a UFO app? You know, one where you can search around and

634
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:01.639
see what landed in your area,
you know that kind of thing. And

635
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:06.360
then we just went from there at
snowballed and I started to come up.

636
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.000
I actually came up with the idea
of SkyWatch a few years earlier. I

637
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:13.360
just didn't have a platform. I
was actually thinking of making an alert system

638
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:19.360
based off of the Amber Alert system, and I actually went into phone conversations

639
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:23.239
with those systems and other people to
try to kind of figure out how it

640
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:31.079
works. And I did a whole
financial kind of research on it, found

641
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.760
out how much it cost, and
we'll talk about money, you know,

642
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.760
upwards to about one hundred and twenty
to even wow, five hundred thousand bud

643
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:44.800
worth of work. And it took
to actually put together a lot of the

644
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.440
Amber alert systems and how that actually
worked. But then all of a sudden,

645
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:52.039
the smartphones came out right and as
started coming out, and I was

646
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:58.000
like, Hey, I can cut
this really really really big corner and actually

647
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:01.480
it will work better. Yeah,
you know, no one uses beepers anymore,

648
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:05.880
and no one likes getting phone calls. So I think, you know,

649
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.320
the song idea with the apps will
actually apply to this Amber alert.

650
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:15.360
And I also kind of boarded into
the history of SkyWatch Operation SkyWatch, which

651
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:20.039
was a program that actually ended in
nineteen nine, you know, when they

652
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:25.920
started to invent and use radar where
citizens volunteered to go out and spot aircraft

653
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:31.360
for the air Force during during the
war and during World War Two, and

654
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:35.800
they would go out all over the
nation, Canada, Alaska, and they

655
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:37.679
would just they would always, you
know, they would be out in towers

656
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:45.119
literally and spotting aircraft and radioing it
into some sort of headquarters. So it's

657
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:51.000
kind of those two items kind of
meshed together to create this SkyWatch alert system

658
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:55.639
that we built within the apps.
Cool. Yeah, cool, that's exciting.

659
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:00.000
That's very cool. So yeah,
that's November first. That's not too

660
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.800
far away, No, not at
all. Film's there. I'm excited,

661
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.119
yep. And I mean already it's
surprising to think that the holidays are on

662
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:12.199
their way. Yeah. No,
hey, yeah, you can buy you

663
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.320
know, little Christmas cards and get
you know, a little I guess like

664
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:20.719
the iTunes card. Yeah, exactly, so everybody can get the app,

665
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.119
and what's exciting, you know,
looking at the screenshots and everything, it

666
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:29.880
definitely looks like an app that is
built by It looks smart, it looks

667
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:37.480
very useful. Other apps in this
field I won't mention names, but sometimes

668
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.280
aren't you know, they're just kind
of informational and more marketing, where this

669
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:46.000
is really something that can be used
and utilized. Yeah, and that's the

670
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:51.400
whole intent. And there's so much
more we can do to it as far

671
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:55.320
as making it better, enhancing it, and giving it more attributes, you

672
00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:00.840
know, over time. I've already
talked to a few of the programmers right

673
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.559
now with the move On and they're
thinking of all these new ideas to you

674
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.320
know, to possibly add to it. And also one of the things part

675
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.920
of our web development, we're even
thinking of putting it on for subscribers,

676
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.960
you know, who subscribe to move
On, to be able to use the

677
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:19.760
app on their PCs, on their
Max and their PCs, so they can

678
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.480
literally log in as a subscriber and
just go right to it and put it

679
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.880
up on their screen and leave it
up there a computer all day long they

680
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:30.320
want. So there's all sorts of
applications it. Yeah, I can't wait

681
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:34.039
to get it. Man less than
ten bucks for the whole thing. That's

682
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.239
awesome, no problem, And that's
what's cool about apps, you know.

683
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.840
You it's just a one time fee, it's not monthly or anything. Right.

684
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.039
Well cool. I'm glad we got
back about that because I'm really excited

685
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:52.480
about it. We're of course social
networkers and tanky dudes here, so we

686
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.199
get really excited about all of this
kind of stuff. And it was fun

687
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:59.239
to meet you in California at the
symposium. Yeah, you know, we

688
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.400
got really excited to hear all about
that. Yeah, it's it's going to

689
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:07.559
be a definite adventure, you know, a big game changer. I think

690
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:12.280
it's going to really give a different
perspective for the general public and the serious

691
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:19.079
enthusiasts, a definitely useful tool,
a new look at this phenomenon, and

692
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.800
I think it'll it'll literally turn viral. It'll get people really involved, and

693
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:27.679
I think we're going to see a
lot more witnesses to the phenomena. Yeah,

694
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.880
which is great. It'll change all
the numbers, which is I'm working

695
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:37.679
this week on some stories using move
On data on different types of like where

696
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.920
hotspots are different types of things and
some interesting stuff I found crunching the numbers.

697
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.079
So this will all change when you
comes out, and there's a lot

698
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.599
more songs, which is great.
It'll become more accurate, I think,

699
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.159
yeah, and it'll it'll probably skew
the at a little bit from this point.

700
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.119
Yeah, yeah, things will change, which is great. Gets better

701
00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.679
all the time. Okay, Well, next, I wanted to talk about

702
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.159
you know, you had mentioned you
were on the Star team and everything,

703
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:08.599
and I know there's a case that
this you know, gigantic report that you

704
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:14.039
had sent me that we can get
into, but I wanted to ask before

705
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.679
that, Uh, is this your
best Star case or what was one of

706
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.840
the coolest cases you got to work
on? That really an eye opener?

707
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:23.880
Yeah, this this was actually a
really good one. You know, I

708
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:29.000
get a lot of good cases when
I get you the dialogue from our witnesses

709
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.880
and it's right, But this is
the first one that I've ever you know,

710
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.800
you know, of course, you
always got in the back of your

711
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.599
head, is this really real?
You know, yeah, really happening?

712
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:43.440
And and and you know you're always
questioning yourself, especially myself as being you

713
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.760
know, kind of a daytime scientist. I guess, uh constantly you know,

714
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:52.320
looking at things objectively and trying to
check myself. But in this case,

715
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:58.440
this is probably the most interesting case
I've dealt with. There's been plenty,

716
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:01.159
trust me, and there's been right, you know, roller coaster cases

717
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:06.280
too. I mean I've had some
horrible nightmare cases, uh, you know

718
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.079
and not mentioning names, but you
know, people that were literally insane.

719
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:15.000
But dealing with this case, this
guy was straightforward. Uh. You know,

720
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.119
he was a police officer at the
time, he still is uh.

721
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:22.639
And his wife was active duties still, so they couldn't discuss what she does,

722
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:28.000
I mean she so there was a
lot of credibility there with with the

723
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.320
witnesses. The story never really changed, you know that, which was good.

724
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:35.119
We did a lot of text and
you know, with the photographs that

725
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.760
we gotten from the case, it
was the first most closed up photograph of

726
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.079
this type of object that I've seen, and I've seen reports about these types

727
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:45.519
of objects. I guess some people
call them, you know, football shape

728
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:50.480
or you know, a tear drop. They'll call him tear drop, or

729
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:57.119
they'll call him, uh like an
upright silt cigar shape. But in this

730
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.559
case, they got a really close
photograph of it us that they could and

731
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:05.719
we I mean we raked through those
those photos looking at all the data.

732
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:10.760
We gave it to a couple of
specialists to really go through and scrutinize,

733
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.639
and we got good feedback. We
got good scrutinization. You know, there

734
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:16.639
was a lot of you know,
hey, this is how you would think

735
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:19.880
it. Uh, you know,
this is how you would do this,

736
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.960
which is what we're part of our
processes. We really want to know everything

737
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.760
about those photos we possibly can and
look at it objectively. You know,

738
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:32.840
this case was kind of crazy because
it started out back in eight He actually

739
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.039
made a report to move on when
his family had a reunion at his house

740
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:42.079
and they all witnessed this strange uh
point of light moving erratically around the sky

741
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:46.840
very quickly. And this is in
Miami Dade, UH and Florida. And

742
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.320
so that you know, was reported. I think it was Mary Margaret that

743
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:54.920
took the case a while back,
and there was another investigator that was on

744
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:02.920
it and uh and then we received
another report from him the recent which was

745
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:09.440
here at twenty eleven, and it
was about this sphere that he saw takeoff

746
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:15.199
from his backyard. He came out. It was it was he reported this

747
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:19.480
for a reason. And I'll get
to that because kind of give you an

748
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.320
order of how things occurred. So
we get this Star Team. It was

749
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:28.239
the Star Team deployment right away.
So we we you know, literally the

750
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.239
day ends at work. I'm at
home, I stuff everything in my trunk

751
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:35.920
of my truck or the bed of
my truck, and I'm off to Miami.

752
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:40.079
So I'm going across the Alligator Rally, which is this long road that

753
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:44.360
goes across from the west coast of
Florida to the east coast of Florida.

754
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:46.079
So I get over there in time
and we get out of there. We

755
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:49.679
have about an hour until the light, you know, could we lose light.

756
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.840
So immediately we go to the fight
and I'm looking for this giant you

757
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.679
know, hole in the ground or
some ground c circle, you know,

758
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:02.519
And it's this little dinky it's six
inch two six inch type dim its kind

759
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:07.639
of burn marks in the in the
grass, and you know, one has

760
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:12.400
like an ashy white color to it. Really strange. It was like an

761
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.320
ash like and even even some of
the grass it wasn't really burnt, it

762
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:20.800
was it was it was just white, like the starches turned due to heat.

763
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.400
It was still it was still supple
or soft to the touch. And

764
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:28.400
we did test it for radiation,
so I didn't go, you know,

765
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:32.880
snipping around without checking for safety issues. Yeah. But and and then the

766
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:37.480
other one was just scorched black.
It was the top part of the grass

767
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.599
was really burned out. So it
was odd to have two different markings like

768
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.639
that. But his description of this
object was this larger than a basketball sphere

769
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.360
with no seams, uh, taking
off very quickly. As soon as he

770
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:52.960
came out the back door he was
letting his dogs out. His dogs were

771
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.440
going crazy. He got home in
the late evening for around six pm,

772
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:02.719
six thirty, and his dogs went
straight for this fence that he has up.

773
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.480
And the fence has like one of
those like little guards you can't see

774
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.280
through, you know, like the
mesh that you put on the fence,

775
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:12.960
And so he didn't you know,
he didn't know what they were barking.

776
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.679
As soon as they got to the
fence, this thing takes off. He

777
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:19.239
goes straight up and he sees like
a temperature inversion or like a wavy you

778
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.159
know, heat signature coming off the
bottom of his craft. As it's moving

779
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.559
up and it's kind of glowing,
Red said, but he could tell it

780
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.400
was silver, but it was well
with glowing, he said, it's hard

781
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:34.119
to explain, he said, And
it went straight up and made a dimy

782
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:39.320
degree turn to the south very quickly, and he said, that's what really,

783
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:44.559
you know, took them by surprises
how quick it went and how fast

784
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:50.079
it turned. It was just not
conventional. And but he when we went

785
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:52.719
inside for the interview, so we
went outside, did all our our sampling.

786
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:59.519
We collected samples and everything, and
we went inside and I again,

787
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:01.599
I'm it's not much to me because
I do it as per job. But

788
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:06.480
I'm just saying collect samples, meaning
I went in and I actually did a

789
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:12.239
few auger holes with some soil auger, took some soil samples, took some

790
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:17.880
vegetation samples, both control samples and
the samples within the mark areas. Sample

791
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:22.159
sample sample, That's all I did. I took many, many samples,

792
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.440
and I have archives samples and samples
I sent to their lab and everything like

793
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:29.920
that. So I did that.
I took photos, everything like that,

794
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.559
measurements. So we went inside to
do the interview and he's like, well,

795
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.079
there's something else I need to tell
you. And I'm like okay,

796
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.119
I said, well what. We
really didn't want to put it in the

797
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:44.440
report because, you know, we
were afraid you guys would think are crazy.

798
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:46.719
And I'm like, okay, well, you know, hey, trust

799
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:51.840
me, I've heard crazy before.
I'm okay. So we got real comfortable

800
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:53.280
with one another where we were talking
and Mary Margaret was there with me,

801
01:00:54.079 --> 01:01:00.960
our assistant State Director of Florida.
And he started telling it's about this event

802
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:05.880
that occurred a few months prior.
And I said, okay, well what

803
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:12.440
happened? And he said, well, this obous red object was in my

804
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:16.599
front yard. And he said I
said, I think, well, what

805
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:20.159
do you mean in your front yard? He said, well, I walked

806
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:24.599
out into the front yard. This
is around eleven I think it was eleven

807
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:31.679
PM at night. He was going
out to the car for something and he

808
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:36.000
came face to face with this red
object right in his front yard, probably

809
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.000
about thirty forty feet away, probably
thirty feet he was a little close,

810
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:44.559
and he kind of was stunned,
you know, that deer in headlights type

811
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.400
thing. And he starts yelling for
his wife and his mother. After he's

812
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.840
yelling for his wife. His door
was partially opened, and as he was

813
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:58.679
yelling for his wife, you know, his mother saw the same thing,

814
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.920
and she was like kind of panic
stricken, according to him, and his

815
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.519
wife comes out. He's like yelling
at her, get the camera, get

816
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.800
the camera, and he gets the
She gets the camera and comes out and

817
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:14.199
starts snapping a few photos, and
she was able to get a few still

818
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:17.719
shots. You know, they're smeared
in most of the photos because it was

819
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.239
low light. She was trying to
take it without flash, and then she

820
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:23.280
turned the flashots. So there's all
sorts of modes that we described in the

821
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:29.480
report that she did how many seconds
between each photograph, And there was a

822
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:31.760
few shots where she was able to
hold it steady for a long enough time

823
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:37.519
to get a really solid look at
the object. And by far me,

824
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:43.400
I haven't seen anything that close of
this object ever, and it's it looks

825
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:51.320
literally kind of like a translucent crystal
glass, you know, very bright red

826
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:54.840
object. His description when he was
there in person, because camera shots,

827
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:59.599
video and everything can give you a
different perspective of what actually people are seeing

828
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:01.880
because they're not like a human eye. But when they were looking at it,

829
01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:05.840
their description was that it was bright, so bright that they would leave

830
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:07.880
streaks, like if you were looking
at the sun, you know, in

831
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.679
the order bright light at night,
it would leave sort of like a streak.

832
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:14.960
Well, he said, it would
pulsate and it would sit there,

833
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.960
very bright, and it would be
doing this the whole time. So and

834
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:24.679
they watched it. The wife taking
photos would actually approach it and she tried

835
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:28.239
to get and it moved away from
them. And it did this about three

836
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:31.559
times, and it would abruptly move
horizontal and still kind of stir and kind

837
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:37.360
of do this irregular flashing, as
he called it. And when it got

838
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.920
over the road and went over to
the neighbors or across the street, right

839
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:44.719
into the front port of thereat,
right over the you know, the seam

840
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.239
of the road, and then she
stepped onto the road to walk towards it,

841
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:51.440
it shot free up and out of
sight, and they don't They just

842
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:53.719
went straight up and kept going until
it disappeared. And they said it moves

843
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:58.679
quickly. And then that's what really
startled them, just how fast it moved,

844
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:02.199
and you know, and that's that's
that they had the photos, they

845
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:05.920
had the testimony. They talked to
us about it. We went into a

846
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:10.360
few other stories about you know,
items about them. We were just trying

847
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:14.639
to get a characterization of our witnesses
and everything like that. So it turned

848
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:16.679
out the way that that report turned
out. It's pretty much everything's in there

849
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:19.239
and it and it. You know, we we still don't know what it

850
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:24.800
is. We contemplated what it may
have been. You know, there was

851
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:30.360
i mean, theories all over the
place. What the red object is,

852
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:35.440
you know, what it's made of? Is it man made? What fake?

853
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:38.760
And how would they fake it?
You know, we looked at everything,

854
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:43.480
but we concluded that you know that
the witness testimony was was genuine.

855
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:47.239
They were very honest with us.
H they're they're a credible So you know,

856
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:49.760
you have to look at it in
that respects too, because this is

857
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:55.119
sort of a forensics uh you know, I wouldn't hate to compare it to

858
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:59.760
homicide investigation, but you have to
depend a lot on witness testimony sometimes right

859
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:02.000
to the facts in the case.
And so you know, that's what we

860
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:05.880
have to do in these instances.
It's not perfect for we know that yeah,

861
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:11.400
it's it's something, there's substance there, and we really believe that there

862
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:15.880
was some space and it was just
so very intriguing. Uh, and the

863
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:19.519
fact that they have these studies,
and of course after that, you know,

864
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:24.840
about a month later, you know, they get this sphere in their

865
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:28.880
backyard. Now, these spheres,
I've I've had reports all over the place

866
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.920
and in one place in particular,
which is you know kind of telling is

867
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:38.559
both Iraq and I Miss and a
lot of people have been reporting from those

868
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:43.840
areas, reporting these exact objects.
Yeah. Now that the picture that you're

869
01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:45.519
talking about, the one where it
was in their front yard, that's the

870
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:53.480
one where it's by the palm tree. The artist's rendition the picture, Yeah,

871
01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:58.039
the sphere, the real picture,
the real the red picture. Yes,

872
01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.760
that was in front, that is
in the front yard. They have

873
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:05.079
two palm trees in their front yard
where estimate a few distances and how the

874
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:11.000
conject moved and what little movement it
did. Yeah, hearing that photo stream,

875
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:14.440
but yeah, it's it's it was
right up in front. So you

876
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.840
get an idea of how dark it, what's in the area, and how

877
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.480
white affects with the camera and everything. And we yeah, it was pretty

878
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:25.920
cool. And then you guys,
I saw your analysis with the red laser

879
01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:30.159
to see what was similar and of
course, if you reflect the laser off

880
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:33.840
of something, it's kind of similar. But what's weirdness with her pictures?

881
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:36.559
Like you said, it's it's in
the front yard next to this palm tree.

882
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:42.159
There really doesn't look to be anything
it could reflect off of, right,

883
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:44.840
And yeah, we kind of were
looking at everything. And that was

884
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:49.000
Mark's Mark d'antonio's analysis. I think
you've talked to him on your show before,

885
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.280
but oh yeah, a couple of
tens. Yeah, he's a really

886
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:59.559
good guy. And we also had
an investigator from our our state also looked

887
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:03.559
at it and look at it and
more of an analytical analysis and kind of

888
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:05.920
gave a good idea. And there's
so much more he could have done.

889
01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:10.840
I gave him like a month or
so to do it. But but yeah,

890
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:14.800
it's it's it's a lot of work
that went into the support and you

891
01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:16.559
know, we're trying to emulate that
and a lot of the big cases now

892
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:21.280
with the Star team. And even
if they are cases that are explainable,

893
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:26.800
like let's say the Missouri case explainable, right, let's write a report about

894
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:30.360
it, Let's get it published and
show people that process, right, Well,

895
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:32.199
what we actually do in the field
and I think people will gain that

896
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:39.480
respect and understanding what we do.
Yeah, exactly. And that's the hard

897
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:44.159
part with photographs, like you said, because really, even if you determine

898
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:47.079
the photographs, it doesn't appear to
be hoax there's no even with an analyst

899
01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:50.239
thing, you know there, it
doesn't appear to be hoaxed. You never

900
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:55.639
know for sure, and you have
to rely on the witness testimony. And

901
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:59.400
like you said, that's not one
hundred percent, but sure at least it

902
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:05.599
is a definitely it gives you something. Yes, yeah, it's it certainly

903
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:11.239
is. And uh, it's it's
it's it's it's substance. There's something to

904
01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:16.479
this case, you know. Again, later on they had the objects show

905
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:20.239
up once more or twice more.
Actually he saw it far off in the

906
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:25.720
distance, but the right at the
instant. I think that happened about a

907
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:29.159
month or so after we talked to
him. Uh, it was on his

908
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:32.039
roof. He came out the front
door and he turned around. He saw

909
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:34.600
the red light, you know,
the glowing in the yard. He's like,

910
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:36.319
oh, where is it? You
know, he's looking all over the

911
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:40.279
place for it, and he turns
around and it's right above his house,

912
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:45.840
right literally from his roof, and
he got of panicked and kind of like

913
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:46.720
looked at it. And as soon
as he looked at it, the things

914
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:50.640
for the cop and you know,
who knows what it is. It is

915
01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:56.720
so strange and in a and I've
had other reports. I mean, we've

916
01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:00.600
had Boca Ratone, similar areas just
north of there. We've have the same

917
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:03.960
thing kind of show up there.
This upright, uh you know, shape

918
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:08.000
and the thing that's they're intriguing about
it. It's all primary color, like

919
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:14.600
a laser like color like greens,
blues and reds and and and it's the

920
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:18.319
same shape. It's the same shape, and and what what the technology is

921
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:21.199
and what the possibilities of it is. It's just, you know, it's

922
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:27.840
it's very hard to pinpoint it.
This is how weird. Now we'll post

923
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:31.720
these just so the listeners know.
I'll put the pictures on our YouTube and

924
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:36.119
our you stream that we have when
we do the show. And also if

925
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:41.479
I write a story, can I
let people download the report? Yeah,

926
01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:45.119
that shouldn't be a problem. I
guess, like I always have to get

927
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:47.319
permission, so I don't it'll be
a problem. But I can always I

928
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:50.520
can always do that Okay, great, Yeah, let me know and then

929
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:57.760
you know when soon after the uh
people hear this will allow them to uh

930
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.800
look at it, because, like
you said it, it's important to show

931
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.439
the work. Uh. So people
know that you you did go through that

932
01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:11.279
you're not just you know, arbitrarily
declaring this is something strange that you did

933
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:16.399
a lot of work to verify.
Uh and a lot of Yeah, we're

934
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:18.640
not calling and we're not calling it. You know, we're not saying it's

935
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.680
extraterrestrial. We're not saying it's man
made. We're not saying it's folks.

936
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:25.760
We're just saying this is a mystery. We don't know what it is.

937
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:29.960
You know, few facts about it, but that's what's intriguing. We did

938
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.560
learn a little bit. But you
know, this isn't like a smoking gun.

939
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:36.159
Definitely makes you think, I mean, it's a it's a it's it's

940
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:41.119
something that really puts some thoughts into
what's really out there. You know,

941
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:46.279
it's there's something weird. You found
anything weird you found with the soil.

942
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:54.399
No what we found though, obviously
in Florida, we fertilize our yards a

943
01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:58.800
lot and so we found a lot
of it. We found a lot of

944
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:04.239
the uh you know, the fertilizer
type indicators in the soils, there was

945
01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:11.279
nothing. There was no crystallization because
of the heat physical effects of the soil.

946
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.199
Most of the heat from my observation
in the field, most of the

947
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:17.640
effects occurred at the top portion of
the grass. So it was a heat

948
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:24.000
source from above and it didn't go
all the way down. So this thing

949
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:28.319
wasn't touching the ground. It must
have been above the surface, and the

950
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:31.439
heat generated from this object burned in
that area. And it's like it may

951
01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:34.800
have bobbed or moved a little bit
while it was very close to the ground

952
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:40.479
because it has just transferred over a
little bit, and that's how it kind

953
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.520
of got these two spots. It
could have been, you know, as

954
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:46.439
it just kind of bobbled around wherever
it was doing down near the ground.

955
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:53.039
So it's just a very strange effect
that it had on the area. I

956
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:56.520
mean, it was the heat and
the lab analysis you know, pretty much

957
01:11:56.560 --> 01:12:01.000
confirmed that, yeah, this is
burned grass. Yeah, and but that's

958
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:03.880
it. I think that's all that. The only physical effect that was probably

959
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:09.119
left behind was the heat, you
know, effects to the to the vestation.

960
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:15.359
Uh and yeah, so it's so
left no trace of hypercarbons, no

961
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.399
fuel emissions, no, you know, no nothing. When we tested,

962
01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:24.319
we did a gas gas chromatograph sort
of thing, and we were able to

963
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:27.840
determine that, you know, there
was nothing unusual other than that the grass

964
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:31.439
was burned. Uh, and there's
no real spikes or of any sort of

965
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:36.399
mystery substance I guess, or any
foreign substance or any foreign effects. So

966
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:40.720
you know, and they did everything
else that we did in the field.

967
01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:45.479
They repeat it too, They did
radiation, they did everything back and really

968
01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.239
nothing came up other than the fact
that, yes, they confirmed that the

969
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:56.359
grass was burned. Portions of the
ashy was literally burnt vegetation material, so

970
01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.000
it must have been very hot at
that point. So you know, that's

971
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:01.840
that's what we came up with.
And I was just thinking, you can

972
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:06.000
clearly tell that they're not Chinese lanterns, because of course the red orbs keep

973
01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:10.039
getting blown off as Chinese lanterns.
He say, yeah, oh yeah,

974
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:14.079
you know, and we do,
and we we And it's such a punch

975
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:17.079
too, because we actually have organizations
now, you know, these little social

976
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:24.279
groups. Now they go out and
purposely take We really got to be careful

977
01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:27.039
about it. I know those guys
in New York got really pulled through a

978
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:30.359
ringer with these guys that were launching
tons of these balloons and flares on them.

979
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:35.239
Yeah, tell the difference they look
at distance. It's it's hard to

980
01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:40.800
tell the difference unless you've actually yeah, I seen it move and maneuver and

981
01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:45.319
say, yes, that's something unusual
floats across the sky and sits there and

982
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:53.520
stangles. And recently I took some
video of uh of military flowers over the

983
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:59.239
Goldwater Range and I mean, they
look weird. They're so dang bright and

984
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:02.399
oh yeah, they're strange color.
And if I just sent a clip to

985
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:08.319
move on and made up some story
that they zoomed off into the sky after

986
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:13.159
I stopped recording, it'd be hard
for someone to tell. Yeah, it

987
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:15.600
really would. It's easy. Like
I say to people, it is easy

988
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:20.079
to fake. You have FOSK sighting. You can have the most extraordinary sighting

989
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:24.520
of a giant object in the sky
and it's real. Now you can have

990
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:30.000
somebody that's good at special effects or
just constructive can replicate that. You know,

991
01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:33.279
because as human beings, we're very
artistic, we're very intenuitive. We

992
01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:36.279
can actually make that fighting. Just
like that triangle with the guy that made

993
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:40.840
all the moving lasers and lights on
it. Yeah, right, Oh that

994
01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:44.039
other thing looks incredible. Yeah,
I think it was even an Irish guy,

995
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:47.319
wasn't it. And uh yeah he
made this triangle? Was the laser

996
01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:51.279
coming out of it? That was
awesome? It looks so real, it

997
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:56.600
does. And so it's all job
as investigators to really pour through. And

998
01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:00.000
that's what people say, Well,
why do you call it insufficient data or

999
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:01.680
or you know, when somebody doesn't
get some money, you just ignore the

1000
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:06.199
case. Well, unfortunately, because
of the bakery and because of the ingenuity

1001
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:12.079
of people, we have to say
we require a witness in order to continue

1002
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:14.079
with the case. Now we can
send it to the public, and so

1003
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:18.319
here it is, but there's no
witness, sort of like the what were

1004
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:23.319
the drones in California? You know, no witness. These wonderful pictures show

1005
01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:28.359
up out of nowhere and there's no
witness. Yeah, so it's it's hard.

1006
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:30.359
You know. Of course, somebody
eventually chased this you know, this

1007
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.920
individual down and then no comment,
no comment, and they figured out that

1008
01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:38.039
it was probably him. But again
it's kind of what we run into.

1009
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:42.119
So instead of getting burned on something
and we just assume that it's from a

1010
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:45.159
real thing. We have to require
a witness, and it's part of it.

1011
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:48.000
Now we're almost out of time,
but I did want to get to

1012
01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:54.800
this other case that you had sent
me an audio that we could listen to

1013
01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:01.439
a witness who saw some a spear
Cape Canaveral in the sixties. Yeah,

1014
01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:09.079
sixty four. He's a retired Air
Force pilot. He was not an Air

1015
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:11.600
Force pilot. I thought he may
have been that he wasn't an Air Force

1016
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:15.199
pilot during that time, but he
was obviously in the Air Force, I

1017
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:17.760
believe. And he was out on
a date on Cape Beach is what they

1018
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:25.239
call it, which was a sort
of a a inner coastal beach near on

1019
01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:28.560
the northern side of Cape Canaveral.
So there was a beach out there,

1020
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.840
and there was he said, there's
roughly three to four hundred people out there,

1021
01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:35.880
and you know, on the pH
dogs, kids running around, you

1022
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:40.039
know, a hot dog stand,
guy with his little friend trailer with hot

1023
01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:43.079
dogs. You know, you're trying
to think of a typical nineteen sixty four

1024
01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:45.079
day on the beach, you know, that's what it was. Yeah,

1025
01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:51.039
and you know this, this this
strange object, this ball bearing like sphear,

1026
01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:56.960
pops straight down out of the sky
right over the kind of like where

1027
01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:01.279
the water meets the beach and just
sits there, and it has like these

1028
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:05.079
these rings like a gyroscope around it
that are kind of rotating around it in

1029
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:11.359
different directions, so like kind of
like like rings that are kind of like

1030
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.760
not touching the spear, but just
hanging out. And they had one had

1031
01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:17.640
yellow lights in it or yellow lighting
of some sort. The other one had

1032
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:21.359
I think I think he said,
greener, greener, red, and they

1033
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:29.159
would just it would just sit there
broad daylight, and everybody just stops and

1034
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:32.159
looks at this thing. The whole
beach. It just stops. And then

1035
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:38.199
a few moments later they just recording
and you can let the recordings speak for

1036
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:42.119
itself. But they just walk off
the beach like nothing happened, like there's

1037
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:45.640
nothing going on, he said.
They just walk off the beach like not

1038
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:48.840
a panic. They just get out
of there. They just all leave after

1039
01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:53.520
the thing off. So yeah,
you can really hear the inflection in his

1040
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:57.600
voice, you can really hear the
sincerity from him. He remembers it like

1041
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:02.279
it was yesterday or the beach,
and we got out and we went up

1042
01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:08.560
over sand dunes and down on to
the beach, and she and I had

1043
01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:15.239
turned and started walking west, and
there was some ideas two or three hundred

1044
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:23.760
people there on that little stretch of
beach, and all of a sudden it

1045
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:28.840
got quiet, and she and I
turned around and everybody was standing there looking

1046
01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:32.039
up. And we looked up and
there was this thing, I say,

1047
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:36.119
about four or five hundred feet in
the air. This thing reminded me of

1048
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:47.039
the reminded me of the like a
a steel a ball of steel ball.

1049
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:55.600
It was real shiny, and they
had two rings, one horizonally other pirtcle

1050
01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:02.199
that run around it, and they
were fuzzy yellow, yellowish green. And

1051
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:10.279
these things they pulsated and the wing
did, the wing did right, the

1052
01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:15.359
ked like they would expand a little
and then contract. And this thing was

1053
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:20.760
just hanging there. It wouldn't wobbling
or moving it all, and everybody stood

1054
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:26.399
there. We stood there a good
two three minutes looking at it, and

1055
01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:32.359
the thing finally started rising real slowly
and went in the matter of the less

1056
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:36.239
than three or four seconds, that
thing shot straight out sight straight up,

1057
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:45.880
and funny thing over this. Everybody
on that beach all of a sudden picked

1058
01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:51.119
up and packed up their stuff,
not seeing the word, just walked up

1059
01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:55.520
over dunes, out of the cars
in the parking lot, got in the

1060
01:19:55.560 --> 01:20:00.560
cars started going home. And I
never saw thing in the paper about it.

1061
01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:05.760
And did thee did the people seem
alarmed at all? Or that it

1062
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:14.359
was all real calm? There was
no uh, screaming hall or loving wow.

1063
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:18.680
And it means like everybody was mesmerized. All right, that's that's strange.

1064
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:24.159
Yeah, that's what my thing is. I don't know. At the

1065
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:31.399
time that I saw it, I
wasn't panicky or anything. I just I

1066
01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:35.520
guess in my mind I was trying
to figure out what I was looking at.

1067
01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:42.960
Sure, absolutely, because I was, uh well at that time,

1068
01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:48.079
I was working out on the cape
and uh the girl I was with when

1069
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:53.000
we were on the way back into
town, she said, what was that?

1070
01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:56.720
And I said, I have no
idea. Well, and what year

1071
01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:00.319
in location? Did you see this? Again? Is here from about nineteen

1072
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:10.159
sixty four, Okay, And like
I said, I read the newspapers and

1073
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:16.079
watched the local TV stations and everything. About a week or two. There

1074
01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:21.800
was never a word printed or a
word reported on it. Well, yeah,

1075
01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:26.319
that's not uncommon either, because we
did a lot of sightings where people

1076
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:32.000
just don't report them, and well
that had happened for I don't know.

1077
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:39.359
It just seemed like all of us
didn't say anything about it. She asked

1078
01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:43.880
me, was she at the time? She said, you can just one

1079
01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:46.720
of them things they called you have
both. I said, well, it

1080
01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:50.760
wasn't frying, I said, it
was just hanging there. Yeah, I

1081
01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:58.600
said, it didn't make any noise. It was hanging there, and all

1082
01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:03.520
of a sudden something pulled it straight
outside, straight up, And I know

1083
01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:09.680
good and will it wasn't a reflection
because of the position of the sun and

1084
01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:13.960
what I saw there. Yeah,
when you were you were able to pick

1085
01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:16.039
out some pretty good details. I
mean, obviously it wasn't the sun or

1086
01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:26.479
anything like that, but well you
see those round steel uh uh uh and

1087
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:31.560
what they're like marbles, but they're
bearing with a steel bearing, like a

1088
01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:36.279
steel bearing, And I thought I
could see truth the thing went I I

1089
01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:41.640
was first looking at it, but
it wasn't that I could see blue sky

1090
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:46.159
through the two rings. It was
their surface of this thing was so reflected.

1091
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:54.479
It was reflecting the blue sky was
the surface and on the on the

1092
01:22:54.479 --> 01:23:00.680
bottom side that you could tell it
was like, uh, you old bearing.

1093
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:02.960
Wow? And how how big do
you think it was? Can you

1094
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:10.199
can you at? I mean was
like an arm length if you were to

1095
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:15.079
hold out a non object like a
quarter or a tennis ball or something.

1096
01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:23.520
And how how big was it comparative
if you arms length, I'd say about

1097
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:30.239
the size of tennis ball. Okay? And uh, this thing was this

1098
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:40.039
thing? I adventures say the thing
wasn't over uh fifteen hundred feet in the

1099
01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:45.920
year. And I'm sorry you were
I cut you off before, But what

1100
01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:49.279
where did you say you saw this? What beach was that? It was

1101
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:56.880
just a little it was I think
it was an you know that more than

1102
01:23:57.199 --> 01:24:00.520
it wasn't a beach. Actually it
was a waterway that has a little beach

1103
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:05.800
front on it. So I think
it's from what they called the Indian River

1104
01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:12.000
or Banana River, Okay. And
it was just north as the Cape Okay.

1105
01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:15.159
And the cape is are you talking
about the east coast of Florida Cape

1106
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:20.199
or Yeah, they used to call
it a Cape Canaveral Okay. Yeah.

1107
01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:26.239
And I guess the weather was normal
and nothing. Yeah, there wasn't a

1108
01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:30.920
cloud in the sky, and it
was nice and shurning and warm. And

1109
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:36.800
what time do you think it was
doing? This was around actually one o'clock,

1110
01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:42.800
shortly after in the afternoon. Okay. Do you know if any of

1111
01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:49.479
the or the other witness is still
around or contactable about the event? Oh,

1112
01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:56.840
I'm sure there's still around or scattered, because like I said, there

1113
01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:01.560
was at least two hundred part more
people been on that little beachfront, uh

1114
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:09.279
strip of land. Okay. And
when we first come over and down onto

1115
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:15.760
the beach area, Oh, there's
this kids out there running and arms and

1116
01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:20.600
they had these what they call boom
boxes or and you could hear them going.

1117
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:26.239
But it got quiet. I mean, they got real quiet, and

1118
01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:30.199
that's the reason we turned around.
Everything went quiet all of a sudden.

1119
01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:33.920
And I mean, do you remember
what the reaction of the people were.

1120
01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:38.479
I mean, were they all standing
very still or were they reacting? Were

1121
01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:42.279
they pointing at it? Were they
doing anything like that? No, it

1122
01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:46.399
was just like they well I was
doing the same thing. We were standing

1123
01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:53.439
there just looking up at and nobody
pointing or anything, just standing there looking

1124
01:25:53.399 --> 01:26:00.319
at it. And when the thing
finally disappeared, do what the word said.

1125
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:03.479
I mean, it was just like
just like watching a bunch of sobbies

1126
01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:08.439
walk up over the hill on the
mountain. The parking lot here, everybody

1127
01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:15.319
got in their cars, started calling
up and left. Even that they that

1128
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:23.119
there was a uh a vendor that
had a little uh stand that day,

1129
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:28.760
so hamburgers and hot dogs and everything
in the parking lot, and even that

1130
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:34.319
guy was packing up and closing down
his little thing and hooking it up the

1131
01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:43.319
hall. It all even he left. Unbelievable. And I couldn't explain it

1132
01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:48.880
to her because we just got their
kittn around left. So I don't know.

1133
01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:54.319
We just want the strangest things I've
ever in gown hurting my life.

1134
01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:59.880
This thing was close enough if it
if it had had a conventional end,

1135
01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:03.560
didn't or something like that, you'd
heard it, But we didn't hear a

1136
01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:11.399
thing. The only thing I could
distinguish was the slight breeks blowing up through

1137
01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:20.079
the the uh the grass and this
tone uh like cat tails and everything on

1138
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:29.279
the sand dunes. Did not hear
that whipping truth the uh sort the grass

1139
01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:32.800
and everything, and that's all you
could hear. Did you did? Did

1140
01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:35.960
anybody have like dogs? With them
out there or anything like that, you

1141
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:42.640
remember, like, yeah, I
think there might have been one or two

1142
01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:47.560
dogs, but uh, I don't
recall singing the dogs running around during the

1143
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:53.279
time we were observing before theever,
it was okay, And what about obviously

1144
01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:57.279
you're out near the water and Missus
Florida being did you notice the seagulls or

1145
01:27:57.319 --> 01:28:02.920
any any other wildlife lying around like
they usually? Yeah, a thing about

1146
01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:10.239
that was the only thing in the
in the sky okay that the cars ar

1147
01:28:11.119 --> 01:28:15.920
it was, Oh, it was
just like somebody has hung it there.

1148
01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:18.760
I stumbled upon him. He was
another case. He was a father of

1149
01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:23.920
another witness. So this guy he
saw a strange light when he was at

1150
01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:26.520
work at night, and then he
said, oh, by the way,

1151
01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:30.640
my father has something that happened to
him back in nineteen sixty four. Start

1152
01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:32.680
talking to him, and he became
a new case, And so it was

1153
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:36.079
really interesting to hear that. I
love the historical cases. They're always fun

1154
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:42.560
to research and find out. And
if anybody in your listening audience, there's

1155
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:46.600
anybody that may have had the same
thing happen during nineteen sixty four on Cape

1156
01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:51.479
Beach is when he called it right
off the coast there in the inner coastal

1157
01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:56.239
beach near Cape Canaveral in nineteen sixty
four in the summer. I think,

1158
01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:00.600
hey, let us know, because
we only have one way right now.

1159
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:03.399
If we get a couple more witnesses, it'll become a much more solid case

1160
01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:08.079
and be really interesting to see when
other people interpret it. All right,

1161
01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:12.079
great, well we are out of
time. Thank you so much. And

1162
01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:15.920
I wanted to mention too, because
we talked about UFO Soccer. That's just

1163
01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:20.479
ufostoccer dot com, where there's a
map and the sightings pop up on the

1164
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:23.560
map, which is kind of cool. If you haven't seen that, we've

1165
01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:26.479
talked about it on the show before, you'll want to check that out.

1166
01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:30.680
But even cooler, you're going to
have this kind of similar thing but even

1167
01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:35.800
more robust and better on your mobile
phone called UFO Connect and that's at ufoconnect

1168
01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:41.279
dot com. And thank you so
much for coming and telling those about it.

1169
01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:44.760
Morgan, not a problem. It's
always a pleasure and I love listening

1170
01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:47.640
to your show, so it's a
cool, awesome. Yeah, the time

1171
01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:54.159
flies, huh you had? I
mean that seems like we just started and

1172
01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:59.560
we're ahead. I was thinking you
know, we've got an hour to talk

1173
01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:02.039
about the stuff, and it went
by in no time and we probably could

1174
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:05.000
have gone on more. Oh yeah, I've got so many other things,

1175
01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:10.159
and well we'll have you on.
Then again, I could talk about more

1176
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:14.199
later. Thanks for coming on,
absolutely, thank you, and I really

1177
01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:18.880
enjoyed it, and thank you for
joining us as well. Be sure to

1178
01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:26.960
tune in next week for another amazing
show with Open Minds Radio, and check

1179
01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:30.960
out openminds dot tv for those cool
stories that I talked about. Talk to

1180
01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:30.880
you later, people,