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Radio, your UFO news authority. This is Alejandro Rojas and we have another
wonderful show today. Our guest is Morgan Beial, who is the director of
Technology for move On I uh, you know put up there move On R
and D Research and development. What could move On be building? Have they
been able to glean enough information from their files on UFOs to create an extra
terrestrial craft or perhaps even clone an alien? Not quite yet, but they're
building a really cool mobile app for your phone. It's going to be out
for the iPhone very soon and then other phones soon thereafter. And we have
Morgan here to tell us all about it. He is also the state director
for Southwestern Florida and he is a Star Team member, so he's part of
that elite team that goes and investigates UFO settings. So he's going to be
talking to us about all of that in just a moment. But first,
this is always a very exciting part of the show. We have a gentleman
by the name of Jason McClelland here he follows the news because on Openminds dot
TV we put up the news on a regular basis to keep you up to
speed on what is happening in the UFO world. And we have Jason here
to bring us a little bit of that information. Jason, are you there,
Alejandro? I am here. How are you my friend? Good?
Good? How are you excellent? Sir? Let's get started with news.
Hello everyone, this is your Open Minds News Brief for Monday, October tenth,
two thousand and eleven. Well, we'll start off with a story about
designs for a telescope that will search for extraterrestrial life, and these designs have
just been approved. Researchers from Oxford and Durham Universities designed the European Extremely Large
Telescope, also called the e ELT, which will reportedly be the largest instrument
of his kind ever built. According to the Telegraph, the EELT will be
sensitive enough to take images of previously unseen objects such as cold stars and more
planets, and learn more about their atmospheres, what they are made of,
and whether they could support life. The Extremely Large telescope would operate under the
European Southern Observatory, also known as the EESO, at a site in Chile.
The decision of whether or not to begin construction on the eel T will
be decided on by the e s O by the end of this year,
and if approval is given to construct the EELT, it will be ten tens
of times more sensitive than any other visible light sensing telescope on Earth. Tens
of times, yes, tens of times. Wow. They should be careful
to call it the extremely large because there'll be a bigger one that'll come along,
and then it'll be the kind of big telescope. I'm sure they won't
run out of things to say. You can always go go larger, the
medium size to so so telescope. Yeah. But you, you, my
friend, are the king of coming up with additional superlatence. I don't know,
you're you're very good. It's marketing. Yes, you talk about the
kajillions of planets, and I don't know, I enjoy the words you come
up with. If what you have bigger and better is one or two times
better than what the competition has, the marketing rule is you or at least
my marketing rule is you multiply that by a zillion or a zillion trillion so
that you say, what we have here, just like our radio show,
is two billion trillion times better than any other show on the internet. Exciting,
isn't it make you want to listen? What was that exact figure,
two zillion trillion. I don't know where you got that number, but I
like it. Let's go with it. Well, I have another news story
here about NASA and the recently completed test seeing on a partially inflatable habitat that
could be used on future missions to the Moon, Mars, or deeper into
space. Now, I'm going to describe this here a little bit, and
it sounds really cool and I think I want one. But this new habitat
is yet another example of how NASA continues to make advancements in their effort to
explore the galaxy and search for extraterrestrial life. The Habitat Demonstration Unit, also
known as the HDU, was tested in the Arizona Desert, which provided a
somewhat Mars like atmosphere, and Alejandro, you and I know that all too
well. We live right in the middle of it. It's very Mars like
here. And according to MIT's Technology Review quote, the current prototype housing unit
has a hard cylindrical shell, contains four rooms, two outside additions for dust
mitigation and hygiene, and an inflatable component that adds a second level for sleeping
and relaxing. This thing sounds more luxurious than my house. Technology Review explains
that the unit could be adapted for use on the Moon, Mars, an
asteroid, or even used as a free flying space habitat. Watch out,
Robert Bigelow. That sounds like that's kind of infringing on Bigelow's territory there,
Bigelow Aerospace with their inflatable habitats up in space. But the results gathered from
the unit's testing were presented last week at the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics
Space twenty eleven conference in Long Beach, California. Cool, very cool,
and the pictures are cool. Looks like this sort of mobile home, but
much cooler looking than a mobile home. And they've even got these compartments where
the little moon buggies can pull up and attach so that people from the Moon
Buggy can get back into their little unit. But that's cool making developments there,
and Alejandro, we talk about every week, I think we are getting
closer and closer to another manned Moon mission, or Amar's mission, or depending
on who you talk to, our first Moon mission. Sorry, I had
to throw that in their, Alejandro, just in case some people think we
have never been to the Moon, and that is debatable. In other news,
we have a story about, Oh, let's see, scientists speculate that
et civilizations are rare. And I don't know about this one, Alejandro,
tell me what you think. But the sixty second International Astronomical Convention. There
seems to be a lot of astronautical conventions going on lately, but this is
the sixty second International Astronautical Convention that took place recently at the International Convention Center
in Cape Town, South Africa. SETI League Executive Director Emeritus Paul Shutch participated
in the convention and spoke about searching for radio from extraterrestrial civilizations. In doing
so, the topic of the Wow signal came up. And for those of
you who don't know, the Wow signal was a radio signal detected by doctor
Jeremy Aimon on August fifteenth, nineteen seventy seven with Ohio State University's Big Ear
radio telescope. The signal, named after Amon's reaction, was quote so strong
that it catapulted the Big Ear's recording device off the chart end quote. And
that's according to the Big Ear's website, the Wow signal has never been detected
again. Just described it as quote one of those things that goes bump in
the night and then is gone forever. The Cape Times explains that the signal
quote bore all the hallmarks at the time of its detection of having a non
Earth origin end quote, but after thirty four years of silence, Shuz speculates
that intelligent life is probably rare in the universe. At the conference, he
explained, quote, when Seidi signed it's first started in the early nineteen sixties,
we optimistically assumed this would be a short duration project and show immediate success.
It's taken us this half a century to come to the conclusion that it's
not going to be so easy. Civilizations are more rare, more elusive.
And this, of course is based purely on the lack of detected radio signals
and makes a huge assumption that all extraterrestrial civilizations are out there broadcasting radio signals
that we can pick up well, and it all depends on this we because
we meaning this person and their buddies. Because there were a lot of people,
even in the SETI community, who knew it would be a long time
in a difficult task, and of course in a general public of scientists,
there are a lot of people who felt like it wasn't worth the effort because
even if there were extraterrestrials out there, like an article we wrote too long
ago with the NSSAY scientists who were talking about this, that there are so
many technologies that we don't understand that most likely would be used by another more
advanced civilization that just listening to wavelengths that we know about might not ever be
fruitful, right, And I don't know, we should probably clarify, and
I assume there's a difference here, But just because something is called SETI doesn't
mean they're all related. I mean SETI just the general term is the search
for extraterrestrial intelligence. And this gentleman in particular is from the SETI League,
and I'm assuming that's different than the SETI Institute. Yeah, so you're right,
the we you know, they that there were different we's with different opinions.
Alejandro, I know you're going to love me for this because I'm I'm
consistent here again, and I've got another fireball UFO story for you. There's
a lot of them. Watch out for those fireballs, Well this one.
A witness watched a fireball UFO burn its way across the sky above Sandusky,
Ohio, on the night of Tuesday, October fourth. Three men witnessed the
burning object, including Robert Lowry, a seven to eleven clerk, who saw
the UFO when he was carrying cardboard boxes to the store's dumpster. Lowry was
hesitant to tell anyone about the event because of that horrible stigma attached to UFOs.
He explained to the Sandusky Register, quote that's one of those things.
If there's nobody else around to see it, you don't go around talking about
it. People will think you're crazy. End quote. Two other men who
were two blocks away from the seven to eleven also witnessed the object in the
sky. Daniel Harps explained, quote I looked up and this huge fireball went
right over. He was on fire and had a long streaming tale end quote.
Harp's friend Monty Prier added quote. All I can tell you is it
was a UFO end quote. Harps later came into the seven eleven where Lowry
works, and asks the clerk if he had seen the fireball UFO. The
two men shared their experiences and agreed. The object moved from the southwest to
the northeast and disappeared somewhere over Lake Erie after approximately four seconds. According to
the Sandusky Register, the FAA didn't detect anything unusual on radar that night.
Local astronomers say the object was probably a meteor, but Lowry told the Sandusky
Register quote, I've seen a lot of strange things in my life, but
this was a chart topper. But the UFO has now been identified. According
to the Sandusky Register, Bellevue astronomer and Huron Valley Astronomer Group president Paul Shulden
claims the object was something called a I just looked up how to pronounce this,
Alejandro, and I don't remember. It's a bull eyed. That's how
it's pronounced, A bully and a bull eyed. A bull eight is a
bright media that often explodes. And I think you've seen a few of these,
Lejandro, haven't you. Ah No, something similar kind of kind of
but that's what this this individual, this astronomer says is what people saw.
But we'll just have to take his word for it. Well, it does
sound sort of like an astronauty, it really does, absolutely and with just
a period in the sky of four seconds, this kind of bursting and disappearing.
I mean, driving out to the desert, like I've talked about,
often, I see things that are more amazing than what I had seen before,
these incredible meteorites. And of course the one a few weeks ago was
that was a chart topper that was absolutely incredible. But you know, I'm
quite certain it was a meteor just gigantic breaking up in the sky where your
pictures to prove it it it was only a few seconds. I have no
proof. Shame for shame. Now I'm jealous you got to see that,
because that sounded like quite an event, and you're right this this does most
likely sound like some sort of natural phenomena. So we'll let them have that
one. But Alejandro, I've got another UFO sighting here, and this one's
kind of fun. I like this one. So dozens of witnesses reported strange
lights flying in a v formation above Kansas City, Missouri, According to Fox
four News in Kansas City, a witness recorded the mysterious lights with a cell
phone on the night of Monday, October third, but other reports indicate that
lights have been seen on multiple nights. According to Margie k, assistant stage
director for MUFON that's the mutual ufoone network, witnesses saw the lights on Monday,
Tuesday, and Wednesday of last week. She explains that the reports are
of quote, very large craft hovering in different areas, and that's quite unusual
because normal airplanes do not have that behavior. Helicopters do, but these are
not described as helicopters end quote. Fox four News states that k contacted local
airports looking for help identifying any of the eighty two UFO sidings reported. The
airport helped her determine that some of the sightings could be explained by stunt planes
that were in the air at the time. Further evidence suggests that that stuntplane
theory could be true. Fox four News reported on October seventh that KC Flight,
a civilian air formation team, came forward to claim responsibility for the lights
in the sky. Pilot Philip Lamb explained that he and his eight man team
quote practices at night because the city lights illuminate the planes end quote. He
further explained that quote during their flight, the plane's wings are typically three feet
apart and are stacked approximately three to four feet above or below each other,
causing the planes to appear like a single object from the ground. If the
lights that were observed by at least eighty two people were the result of city
lights illuminating these stunt planes, it would seem logical to assume that the other
airplanes in the sky are also illuminated by city lights. But other airplanes don't
seem to have caused the buzz generated by the mysterious lights in the sky last
week. Additionally, several witnesses reported seeing the lights hover then shooting off quickly.
As Cave previously stated, that isn't normal behavior for airplanes now. But
they had to have had lights on. I mean, it couldn't have been
I think the reflections, they would have to have some sort of light on.
I would think so that that AA regulation absolutely. Yeah, So yeah,
that's a tough one. But also other airplanes in the night are going
to have lights on, but they're not going to be flying in formation like
these guys supposedly were right. They were stunt pilots. Correct. But if
you look at the photos, and I think there's video mavi, you just
photo. But each of the individual lights is quite bright, you know,
certainly brighter than you would you expect just a single airplane to be with their
lights and paired with illumination from city lights. I mean, they're abnormally bright.
They could just be these planes. They could be because they're illuminated more
because they're flying at a lower altitude. I don't know, Yeah, I
don't think that it makes sense that illumination from city lights on planes. That's
kind of silly at the night. I agree, I mean unless they're unless
they're flying like right above the street and you've got the street lights. But
I could see, you know, because I've been fooled with a plane that
comes straight at you, like we talked about. But I don't know.
This is a tough one because if you have these planes in formation coming straight
at you, these flights would look really bright, but they would probably look
well, if they were at it a height, they might look like a
v correct, But then turning, if they're coming right at you, they'll
just look like they're hovering and then when they turn, it could look like
they shoot off. But when they turn, I mean, do they turn
in formation? Yeah, I imagine, So, I mean that's that's what
these stunt planes do. They fly really in really tight formation and then all
move at the same time. That's what they move in unison. It looks
weird. I don't know. I haven't recently, haven't seen it at night.
So what someone needs to do is go out and film them practice it
exactly so then they can compare it exactly. I will say that in just
a brief search, I couldn't find this this flight company online anyway, this
KC Flight. I did find a company called KC Flight, but it was
in a different state, and this case flight is supposedly in that same state.
So so I don't know about them. I don't know, you know.
I tried to find some video or photo of them doing their stunts,
but I couldn't find any. So, yeah, we just have this picture
to work with, and you know the witness testimony. Will you make a
good point with perspective, sometimes planes coming at you, or if they're in
for more formation and they're making this big turn in the sky, depending on
what angle they're at, it could look like they're hovering for a little while
anyway, but they are airplanes. They have to keep moving. Yeah,
so the description of hovering and then shooting off quickly doesn't really fit with the
airplanes. So that's strange. It's very strange, although I can still see
it personally. I mean, if they're coming at you for like five minutes,
that's a long time exactly, I would and smaller planes travel so slow
comparatively well. And also if they're in a maneuver where they start climbing and
then you know, from far away, it looks like they're just sitting there,
and then they go into a dive, then it's gonna look like they're
shooting off. And if they're really flying at night, they're gonna look weird.
No doubt, they're gonna be cool looking. I mean, it'd be
fun to watch because they would look different, just like you know, any
well, you've got this bizarre illuminated v kind of exactly doing weird things in
the sky. Yeah. So anyway, that's that, and Alejandro, that
is it for the news. Be sure to check out all of these stories
and so many more at Openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news.
I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've been briefed,
Alejandro. I hope you mentioned the article you just put up today,
because I didn't mention that. I wanted to save that for you. All
right, Yeah, I'll talk about that, and remember, we have a
lot more news. There's Phoenix, there is another UFO siding. Uh.
This UFO phil we've talked about is up to some more strangeness. There are
pilots in Moscow who saw UFOs. So there's a lot more UFO news on
our website. If you go to Openminds dot tv and go to the new
section, you'll see all the headlines and all of the really cool UFO news
that's going on out there. As far as our articles, which we put
up on a regular basis as well, we've got some good stuff there.
We do have a story on a UFO signing by a Mexican president. Louise
at Scheveria et Scheveria Antonio wrote this story and it's very interesting. This guy
in the seventies or possibly late sixties. There's a little bit of controversy on
the date, but probably nineteen sixty eight because there was a blackout and he
said he had this siding during a blackout. But it's kind of funny because
he was at a stately affair and you know, people started talking about UFOs
and they were kind of dismissive and making fun and he piped up and says,
well, I saw a UFO. And he tells him a story about
how him and his wife and a family friend who was actually a famous dancer,
had seen a UFO during a blackout and he felt that the UFO was
responsible for the blackout. So, as far as Antonio knows, this story
hasn't been told in English. So it's a really interesting story that you can
find on our website. Also, as Jason mentioned, I have a new
story up on the August twenty eleven UFO wave. You may remember that there
was a lot of news when Clifford cliff had told people that sightings had doubled
in August, and so I ran some stats and made some graphs to figure
that out. Sure enough, just like he said, you know, they
usually get five hundred sightings a month, they got over a thousand in August.
So I tried to find out where that happened and to figure out,
you know, what might have happened. Was this a mistake in reporting?
It doesn't look like it. Actually, I look through it looks like these
are all valid. There was an increase, It doesn't look like any one
state in particular had an unusual amount to account for this, meaning that it
wasn't one mass sighting in one state. Connecticut I found had a lot of
sightings more than usual. They only usually have four or five, but they
had thirty eight reported in August, So that's a lot. That's thirty four
more than usual, and you know, it's six zillion times more than they
usually get. That's multiplying more than they are. But anyway, they had
a lot of sightings. That still doesn't account for how they had five hundred
more sightings at move On than they normally have. And really, when you
look at the state figures, it seems like the sightings were scattered across the
country as normal. The places that get a lot of sightings had a lot
of sightings. So it's hard to say why. But you can see this
breakdown and these graphs where I thoroughly analyzed the shapes of the UFOs that were
being seen in I guess, so you can take a look at that and
see for yourself. Now, I'm also going to write some more stories this
week because I found some other really interesting information as far as hotspots when it
comes to UFO sidings, and this is going to be great. So stay
tuned to Openminds dot tv for more on that. However, now let us
go ahead and get on the line. Morgan Biele, like I said,
he is the director of technology for mofon and he has some exciting news on
advanced technology that move On is going to be utilizing and hopefully this is going
to help them in collecting their citing reports as well. I am very excited
to have the technology director for move On move On R and D that Morgan
Biel on the phone. Morgan, are you there, Yes, I am
hello. It's good to talk to you. Absolutely. Yeah, what a
cool job? Is that cool? If I added the R and D because
that's that's the research and development kind of exciting Hell yeah, probably not as
exciting as so, yeah, makes it sound a little bit more fun.
Yeah. You probably don't have a secret lab or anything, no, but
I'm thinking of building one that would be cool in the underground lab. So
sweet. How long have you been doing this? Well, I mean I've
been interested in the phenomenon for about I guess seriously for about i'd say about
eight years. And I decided about two and a half years two and a
half years ago to get seriously involved with move On and because of the values
and the scientific methods, and you know, I read through their documentation and
some of their you know, forms and whatnot that they that they put forth
when they do some of these k is. I kind of like that.
So I got heavily involved, became an investigator here in Southwest Florida, and
became very busy, very quickly, because, as you know, Florida's like,
I guess, one of those hot spots, you know, before I
knew it, I had you know, five six cases at a time in
some cases, so it's I got a lot of practice doing that. I
became the state section director for Southwest Florida and began to make good relationships with
people within the community here in Florida and the investigators here, and you know,
I just kept going from there. I kept, you know, wanting
to get more involved, and I am now where I am now. I
started out with the Star Team project pretty early on because of my background I
I do. I'm an industrial hygiene consultant during the day, and so I
deal a lot with hazardous materials testing, ground at water testing as fast ast,
mold, you know, all that kind of fun stuff, and so
I kind of utilized my day job, I guess, my my experience there
and in moved on, so it became very relevant to the Star Team's functions.
So I became heavily involved in the first SIP project and and then the
new uh Star team that that reopened and uh reorganized, and now I'm part
of that and uh it just moved up from there and kept getting involved in
some really neat projects that we're working on and like redeveloping the website, uh,
you know, creating an app for move On, and and also doing
some technical papers for move On. I helped create the the new formal report
form, and there's two of them that we that we put together recently about
just prior to the symposium, and we're going to start actually publishing those,
so you know, along those lines. So busy, busy, Yeah,
I'm gonna put you on the spot and ask a tough question just because I
know it's on at a lot of the listener's mind, and it's great to
have someone from the inside answer these questions. But as an SIP member,
that was the project with Robert Bigelow that he was funding, how did you
feel about that project? Because of course, as you know, there's been
some controversy around Oh yeah, I mean we all know that, and we're
I'm okay about talking about it. It's pretty open. Everybody knows. There
were mistakes made on several fronts. But it was a big project. It
was a real it was an experiment. A lot of money was involved and
a lot of a lot of work. I mean the cases that I won
on I was, you know, eighteen hours straight. It was no joke,
you know, and I did a lot of serious work. And you
know, again like most UFO cases, and I only say that not to
be cynical, but most of the cases, you know, end up having
a dead ends where there's no evidence or you know, it's just like most
cases. And every now and then we got lucky, even got really good
intriguing cases. And so it's my opinion about it is that, you know,
I wish it could have been done better, but it was. It
was a good experiment. It was a good start to I mean, this
has never really been done before other than like Projects blue Book or something where
they actually put a lot of funding into something like this. And so I
think both parties learned from it, and I think anything that came out of
it, which is now what we have now is so much better and we're
developing new things to create a better team atmosphere. You know, a lot
of the big criticism was that the state directors didn't have any any involvement and
sometimes didn't know about cases, and and we we correct at that. Now
it's exclusively involved with the state directors, and now we're utilizing a team based
approach to these cases where the star teams investigators are the most experienced just by
you know, being selected based off of their experience and know how, but
they managed the cases and they can utilize the entire state's resources to get the
case done, and they're from that state, so it's it's no different than
having a normal case. It's just being structured differently so they get more help
on a case that requires more resources. So, right, and I miss
a lot of things. Did you see any ill intent or on any party
during that project. Your safe I saw, yeah, I know, I
know what you mean. Yeah, the question came up, and I saw
stuff. But what I saw was more or less mistakes on both sides,
right, just reckless, you know, not untentional. I wouldn't say they
were you know, there wasn't any malice or anything like that. No one
was trying to you know, do anything to anybody. I think it was
just a lot of mistakes. You know, like on the big old side,
you had a few of these investigators that were literally hired to do work.
You know, I thought this was cool. This is the first time
they've ever dealt with the UFO phenamen. So they were thinking X files,
cooking dagger, you know, this is you know, it's it was more
extravagant than it really was. And then get on our side, you know,
the kind of conflict where you're dealing with somebody who's never dealt with this
subject matter. But on a scientific side, you know, Biggel'll have some
really excellent and very intelligent people. I worked with some really nice guys in
that in that outfit. But you know, again, it's just like in
any organization, you'll get a few people that just don't belong there. So
yeah, it's like in any big organization, it just run into things like
that a lot. And I think I think it was a necessary step and
I think we both parties learned quite a bit from it, and I think
the only good will come out of it in the end. Yeah. I
mean, with volunteer organizations, everybody want to do the right thing, and
well you know have but they all have a similar goal. It's just especially
when you're limited in time and resources, figuring out how to do it is
the hard part. And just because people make mistakes or have differences opinion doesn't
necessarily mean that there's any sort of that's the thing. There's no time for
conspiracy. Everybody's too busy, exactly, And that's the thing, you know,
I mean, don't get me wrong. And we you know, of
course, we always have those cases where we have those guys show up and
on marked cars and conspiratory stuff like that. I mean, that happens.
But in the case of the Star Team and stuff like that, I think
it was exactly what you said it was. It was people making true and
honest mistakes. And you know, you know, you have character difference,
the differences between people. Some people don't get along. It's going to happen,
and especially under those conditions when you're doing these highly stressful long term investigations,
right. You know, I'm so glad I was compensated for that because
I wouldn't have been able to do it. You know, there's no way.
With the travel and the amount of work that I had to do.
I had to make off work, you know, things like that, and
it was it was a real job. But in my opinion, for me,
it was definitely worth every minute because I learned so much about that world,
about investigating, even more than I already did. You know, it
was it was. I think it was a huge learning experience for our community
as a whole. And you know, the big criticism I guess that comes
out of it is nothing was ever shared. Well, there was a whole
lot to share scientifically, but there's a lot of interesting stories and we're hoping
with the new website, we're actually going to have a whole starting section where
we're going to actually be releasing old docs and new docks, you know,
talking about cases, maybe having a few interviews with our new radio kind of
we're doing like a podcast kind of deal. But you know, and we'll
start bringing that stuff out and the kind of thing that people have criticized,
we really never had a venue to kind of talk about this stuff, you
know. So it now we're create that and we're coming up with new technique,
new wasted really information blow coming out. Yeah, and people say that,
you know, when I was in contact with Richard Lank, he gave
us the material and we printed in our magazine even what he felt was the
best cases. I mean, it's not like that information was hidden. Like
you said, there's just not necessarily different places or places to get it out.
Well, yeah, there just wasn't a way or a venue to do
it correctly anywhere or in an organized fashion, you know. And just like
the report I sent you, there's a way I could fit that, and
they didn't in the journal. I mean they only put four pages, right,
and that's the seventy eight page report. So it kind of you know,
kind of tells you the challenges that we have and we're trying to update
everything, you know, technology hence my title. You know, we're trying
to we're really building a comprehensive website so people can use it as a resource
to get to those types of big reports, and so people really get a
g of the magnitude of this phenomenon, and I think once they start to
see how much work is being put into it, a lot of those criticisms
won't go away, but they'll say, oh, okay, well, now
I understand why didn't they kill us this before? So it's I think it's
it's going to turn out in a positive way. Yeah, Hey, are
you moving around or something? The phone kind of going in and out.
It's quiet, matter, quiet lotter. It might be because I'm near a
wireless system. Yeah, is that better? Yeah, let's see. I'll
just hang out in the front of my house. No, okay, all
right, great, we'll talk about some more of the cases you've worked on
in just a minute. But I did want to mention talk about a couple
other things. One is that you've got a Volunteer of the Year at the
symposium for twenty eleven. Congratulations on that. Yeah, that was a that
was a definite I know. And h and Patty or office personnel for HQ.
Uh, they kept their lips and they were looking at me funny during
that time, and I'm like, what's going on. I'm not and I'm
sitting at their table and all of a sudden, I hear my name and
I turn around and there Clifford, you know, point at me. And
so I was pleasantly surprised. You know, I I'm kind of you know,
I kind of keep it in a bookshelf sitting on its side. I
don't really put it. I'm like one of those people I get it.
If I get that award, I'll look at it and be like, you
know, I kind of feel pretentious, but I put it on the wall.
But no, it was an honor. I really enjoyed that event and
I was glad to receive that reward. But you know, I have so
much more to do, and it's it goes beyond volunteerism. It's it's for
me anyway. It's it's really had a life mission for me to help out
in this community. And I think I can have a real positive impact with
me on and UH. And we're already starting to do that, building a
comprehensive team for web development UH, all the way from getting a financier and
UH and a really good cart brassroots team to build a an app for a
move On and you know, just going on Beyond that, there's so many
more projects that are that are ready to get started. I think a lot
of this stuff is really going to change our community on how we interact with
the phenomenon. So I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah. Cool,
Now, do you have much to do with the UFO stocker. No,
there's another gentleman who built the stocker. We're actually going to be pulling him
into work with a few of these programmers. But we're going to be enhancing
some of that kind of coding and actually creating we don't really have a name
for it, but creating some analysis tools for the cms, uh, utilizing
the same type of what they call XML or you know external databases where we'll
be able to to actually make contour maps, extrapolate data, you know,
make barographs and you know, piagraph charts to kind of give people an you
know, the ability to analyze that the data that move On's been collecting for
so many years. So we're really looking forward to that. And and part
of that map tracker, you know, is kind of with a start back
in the day, and we're really hoping to enhance out of that movie we
start developing the website and and the database, So a lot coming down the
tunes, a lot being worked on right now. So cool. Yeah,
that's exciting because the UFO s socctors neat, I mean the twitters, you
can get the sightings as they they come up. It's it's pretty cool.
And what's really cool too, of course, is the project you have been
working on, the move on mobile application UFO Connect. Yes, UFO connect
Man. That's been an adventure, one of my uf The two partners in
it and putting this together is we have John Holtzklaw who's a three D animator
and he's done a lot of that type of material. And and then in
Jeffrey Smith, who was kind of our CEO kind of type person who find
funded it and got it started in business wise, I mean unbelievable amount of
stuff we had to do to just to become a an Apple developer, and
and then we had to do all the trademarkings and copyrights and so we got
all that done. So it's almost been nine months and he kind of put
it this way like it's like giving it. It's like giving birth to a
chield. It's nine months and we're almost there launch. It's officially launching on
November first. Right now, it's in public data, which means he could
probably go there and get it, but it's still under development. So you
know, just be mindful that the official data is for November first, and
we are really looking forward to that just to give you and I don't know
if you want to know the intricasees of the appeal. Yeah, it's not
like your typical app. It's very complex, you know. Like I said,
it's taken months to design and program, and it's actually three apps in
one application. So we give up to these ideas with three different apps and
we went ahead and put them into one. Obviously. The first one is
to move On mobile application, which basically emulates our online content and we're still
developing it. But online content and other items like news, we use a
lot of the Examiner dot com Roger Marsh's news, so you can go right
there and get the latest and he extrapolates the top cases from our CMS database
and so that helps generate a lot of drive to look at some of the
cases that come into move On. So there's all sorts of things you can
do on there, visit the forums, shop and move on that sort of
thing. And that's the free portion of the app. Of course, you
know, being a very comprehensive app, it costs quite a bit of money
to build and getting Grammars and the correct people to do it. So,
but we do have to put the other portions on for sale and then they're
cheap. It's like two ninety nine, I think in four ninety nine,
and one of them is a called UFO Search and it's an that's and just
so people know, that's just a one time fee, right yeah, once,
I mean that's not less. Maybe like five years down line when we
make a giant upgrade, it'll be like a dollar. That's like that's a
long time ago from now. But no, the the the yes, one
time de No, there's no monthly fees on these things. The the UFO
Search portion of the app actually utilizes their database just like the map does,
uh, the the the soccer except to put a little bit more, but
you can look into geographically where all the sports are in the database. So
it actually you can go into a search, you generate your search on what
you want to see, and it pops up on the map and shows you
all these pinpoints all over the map. It puts whatever you're looking for and
you can actually click on those and read the descriptions from the people and they're
working on getting the files to work, so you can actually see any visible
either videos or photos to work in that app, so if there's anything attached
to it. In cases, you can click right on them and geographically locate
them and say, oh wow, that one's close to my house and you
can actually click on it and read all about that sighting that occurred in that
area. And of course the big one, this one was our kind of
golden egg. We really love this portion of the app. It's really fun
to use. It's called the SkyWatch Alert and it's a live alert system that
allows anybody that has the app to if they're out skywatching or if they see
something, they can cool their phone out real quick, generate a report in
less than ten seconds. Place an alert and you can get a top of
you know, you can make it very complex. You can write all that
a book about it on there or whatever, or you can take confectors and
literally put a report on there and once that goes in there whatever setting,
anybody else on that network who hasn't an app has a setting either for Florida,
Texas, California. However, they have it set up to get it
an alarm, and you can set up multiple alarms. They'll instantly get that
alarm coming across the network. So as soon as it goes onto the network,
it goes onto everybody's phones that has that area set up. The water
Oh that's really cool. Yeah, yeah, it's really neat. And you
get and you know, it goes off, you hear the alarm, you
go in, you say, yeah, I view it. And when you're
not in the app, it'll give you a push notification and so and you
hear the alarm too, and uh. And you can turn the alarm off
and go to default and it just can see that little you know, bling
down. But otherwise you can pick through some pretty uh fund use alarms and
but yeah, you can essentially use it as a live alert system. So
if you're just sitting around, I can't tell you how many times I've missed
on a case, but I looked at that I was assigned that was literally
miles a few miles away from going outside and seen miss spending. It's high
work. Cool for it, and this I think will will help facilitate kind
of a UH in your own hands disclosure. You go out, you see
phenomenon and you decide for yourself. You look at it, you see what
other people are the same. And that's the whole thing is to get the
community involved, you know, and look at this stuff when it's happening,
so more witnesses, you know, Yeah, that is so cool because I
can see and I can't wait till the first time this happens, because I'm
sure it will happen where someone will post something and then you'll know, you'll
have other people look whether you know it's it's you know, a large media
orright like you know, I saw one out, that big one in Phoenix
recently. But if that would it deems and other people would have known to
look up and and they would have seen it too. Or of course a
real event that just imagine if we had that back when the Phoenix vice happened,
there could have been even more witnesses. Oh absolutely, And because you
know, like Texas the event Texas, the one that's happening right now,
and what was it? Is it Missouri? I think it's Missouri. Yeah,
And you know, those those types of things happen where the whole community
will get these alarms from actual witnesses that are in their area or wherever they
have it set up. And this is a worldwide app, so people all
over the world can actually use it. So it's it's it's really it's going
to be great the first I think the first version, Yes, the first
version is going to be Apple, It's going to be on iPad and uh
an iPhone, and then the next phase of the development is going to be
putting it on droid phone, so you know, don or a droid phone
lovers, you're going to get it too, so it uh, yeah,
go ahead. I was going to ask how long the droid people have to
wait, Well, we're hoping by the beginning of next year. We need
at least four or five months to develop it. But the coding right now,
the hardest part was actually pre development, so longest, so I think
a lot of that time will be cut off once we get into the droid
app development. So I'm literally just translating the code over to the droid OS
operating system. So it's awesome. Ckily, I have an iPhone so I
can get it quick. Yeah, there you go. Actually, I went
to look for it earlier and I couldn't get the beta. Unfortunately I couldn't
find it, so it should be betas should be up there. It's going
to be a full version that's on there, but it's again like I said,
I'd wait. November is when we're going to have the nice glossy version
out and we h it should be in good shape and ready to roll on
November first. Awesome. Well I'm excited about that. That's really cool.
So this is pretty exciting, and you know, people can go to ufo
connect dot com and look at what the app is going to look like because
it's really good looking too. Yeah. Yeah, we spend a lot of
time on the artwork. We really try to get the feeling. I designed
the logo kind of the circle within the circle with a little satellite around it.
Yeah, very cool, and you know it kind of gives everybody kind
of an icons that's UFO Connect, I know what that is and hopefully over
in many years more support and rows. And you know, we tried to
do that through a lot of social media. So we have a Facebook page,
so if you guys could get on there and support us also on Twitter
and whatnot and give us feedback. We listen to everybody, and trust me,
we shoot that stuff directly to the programmers, and we really try to
make it, you know, an app for everybody. We want everybody to
like this and to be able to use it. Yeah. So ufoconnect dot
com is where people can go and look at all the different types of the
apps you talked about. You have a lot of the of screenshots of what
it'll look like, and then of course they can get to your Twitter and
the Facebook for UFO connect there. But ufo connect dot com. Yeah,
it's real simple. So and how did it start? I mean, did
you whose idea and did you did you go to like move on and say
hey, I want to do this and they were like sweet, Well,
it was kind of like, you know, friend, we're sitting there,
three of us met John and Jeff, sitting at dinner, and we were
like, you know, contemplating he he just joined, I join and become
a field investigator. And of course my friend John was like, nah,
I'll just get the magazine that worked for me. And we're just trying to
think and we were you know, we're talking about markets and what's been active
in technology, and we set apps and then we said what about it?
And you know, Jeffrey is actually the first one that kind of initiated the
discussion, and he said, what about, uh, you know, what
about a UFO app? You know, one where you can search around and
see what landed in your area, you know that kind of thing. And
then we just went from there at snowballed and I started to come up.
I actually came up with the idea of SkyWatch a few years earlier. I
just didn't have a platform. I was actually thinking of making an alert system
based off of the Amber Alert system, and I actually went into phone conversations
with those systems and other people to try to kind of figure out how it
works. And I did a whole financial kind of research on it, found
out how much it cost, and we'll talk about money, you know,
upwards to about one hundred and twenty to even wow, five hundred thousand bud
worth of work. And it took to actually put together a lot of the
Amber alert systems and how that actually worked. But then all of a sudden,
the smartphones came out right and as started coming out, and I was
like, Hey, I can cut this really really really big corner and actually
it will work better. Yeah, you know, no one uses beepers anymore,
and no one likes getting phone calls. So I think, you know,
the song idea with the apps will actually apply to this Amber alert.
And I also kind of boarded into the history of SkyWatch Operation SkyWatch, which
was a program that actually ended in nineteen nine, you know, when they
started to invent and use radar where citizens volunteered to go out and spot aircraft
for the air Force during during the war and during World War Two, and
they would go out all over the nation, Canada, Alaska, and they
would just they would always, you know, they would be out in towers
literally and spotting aircraft and radioing it into some sort of headquarters. So it's
kind of those two items kind of meshed together to create this SkyWatch alert system
that we built within the apps. Cool. Yeah, cool, that's exciting.
That's very cool. So yeah, that's November first. That's not too
far away, No, not at all. Film's there. I'm excited,
yep. And I mean already it's surprising to think that the holidays are on
their way. Yeah. No, hey, yeah, you can buy you
know, little Christmas cards and get you know, a little I guess like
the iTunes card. Yeah, exactly, so everybody can get the app,
and what's exciting, you know, looking at the screenshots and everything, it
definitely looks like an app that is built by It looks smart, it looks
very useful. Other apps in this field I won't mention names, but sometimes
aren't you know, they're just kind of informational and more marketing, where this
is really something that can be used and utilized. Yeah, and that's the
whole intent. And there's so much more we can do to it as far
as making it better, enhancing it, and giving it more attributes, you
know, over time. I've already talked to a few of the programmers right
now with the move On and they're thinking of all these new ideas to you
know, to possibly add to it. And also one of the things part
of our web development, we're even thinking of putting it on for subscribers,
you know, who subscribe to move On, to be able to use the
app on their PCs, on their Max and their PCs, so they can
literally log in as a subscriber and just go right to it and put it
up on their screen and leave it up there a computer all day long they
want. So there's all sorts of applications it. Yeah, I can't wait
to get it. Man less than ten bucks for the whole thing. That's
awesome, no problem, And that's what's cool about apps, you know.
You it's just a one time fee, it's not monthly or anything. Right.
Well cool. I'm glad we got back about that because I'm really excited
about it. We're of course social networkers and tanky dudes here, so we
get really excited about all of this kind of stuff. And it was fun
to meet you in California at the symposium. Yeah, you know, we
got really excited to hear all about that. Yeah, it's it's going to
be a definite adventure, you know, a big game changer. I think
it's going to really give a different perspective for the general public and the serious
enthusiasts, a definitely useful tool, a new look at this phenomenon, and
I think it'll it'll literally turn viral. It'll get people really involved, and
I think we're going to see a lot more witnesses to the phenomena. Yeah,
which is great. It'll change all the numbers, which is I'm working
this week on some stories using move On data on different types of like where
hotspots are different types of things and some interesting stuff I found crunching the numbers.
So this will all change when you comes out, and there's a lot
more songs, which is great. It'll become more accurate, I think,
yeah, and it'll it'll probably skew the at a little bit from this point.
Yeah, yeah, things will change, which is great. Gets better
all the time. Okay, Well, next, I wanted to talk about
you know, you had mentioned you were on the Star team and everything,
and I know there's a case that this you know, gigantic report that you
had sent me that we can get into, but I wanted to ask before
that, Uh, is this your best Star case or what was one of
the coolest cases you got to work on? That really an eye opener?
Yeah, this this was actually a really good one. You know, I
get a lot of good cases when I get you the dialogue from our witnesses
and it's right, But this is the first one that I've ever you know,
you know, of course, you always got in the back of your
head, is this really real? You know, yeah, really happening?
And and and you know you're always questioning yourself, especially myself as being you
know, kind of a daytime scientist. I guess, uh constantly you know,
looking at things objectively and trying to check myself. But in this case,
this is probably the most interesting case I've dealt with. There's been plenty,
trust me, and there's been right, you know, roller coaster cases
too. I mean I've had some horrible nightmare cases, uh, you know
and not mentioning names, but you know, people that were literally insane.
But dealing with this case, this guy was straightforward. Uh. You know,
he was a police officer at the time, he still is uh.
And his wife was active duties still, so they couldn't discuss what she does,
I mean she so there was a lot of credibility there with with the
witnesses. The story never really changed, you know that, which was good.
We did a lot of text and you know, with the photographs that
we gotten from the case, it was the first most closed up photograph of
this type of object that I've seen, and I've seen reports about these types
of objects. I guess some people call them, you know, football shape
or you know, a tear drop. They'll call him tear drop, or
they'll call him, uh like an upright silt cigar shape. But in this
case, they got a really close photograph of it us that they could and
we I mean we raked through those those photos looking at all the data.
We gave it to a couple of specialists to really go through and scrutinize,
and we got good feedback. We got good scrutinization. You know, there
was a lot of you know, hey, this is how you would think
it. Uh, you know, this is how you would do this,
which is what we're part of our processes. We really want to know everything
about those photos we possibly can and look at it objectively. You know,
this case was kind of crazy because it started out back in eight He actually
made a report to move on when his family had a reunion at his house
and they all witnessed this strange uh point of light moving erratically around the sky
very quickly. And this is in Miami Dade, UH and Florida. And
so that you know, was reported. I think it was Mary Margaret that
took the case a while back, and there was another investigator that was on
it and uh and then we received another report from him the recent which was
here at twenty eleven, and it was about this sphere that he saw takeoff
from his backyard. He came out. It was it was he reported this
for a reason. And I'll get to that because kind of give you an
order of how things occurred. So we get this Star Team. It was
the Star Team deployment right away. So we we you know, literally the
day ends at work. I'm at home, I stuff everything in my trunk
of my truck or the bed of my truck, and I'm off to Miami.
So I'm going across the Alligator Rally, which is this long road that
goes across from the west coast of Florida to the east coast of Florida.
So I get over there in time and we get out of there. We
have about an hour until the light, you know, could we lose light.
So immediately we go to the fight and I'm looking for this giant you
know, hole in the ground or some ground c circle, you know,
And it's this little dinky it's six inch two six inch type dim its kind
of burn marks in the in the grass, and you know, one has
like an ashy white color to it. Really strange. It was like an
ash like and even even some of the grass it wasn't really burnt, it
was it was it was just white, like the starches turned due to heat.
It was still it was still supple or soft to the touch. And
we did test it for radiation, so I didn't go, you know,
snipping around without checking for safety issues. Yeah. But and and then the
other one was just scorched black. It was the top part of the grass
was really burned out. So it was odd to have two different markings like
that. But his description of this object was this larger than a basketball sphere
with no seams, uh, taking off very quickly. As soon as he
came out the back door he was letting his dogs out. His dogs were
going crazy. He got home in the late evening for around six pm,
six thirty, and his dogs went straight for this fence that he has up.
And the fence has like one of those like little guards you can't see
through, you know, like the mesh that you put on the fence,
And so he didn't you know, he didn't know what they were barking.
As soon as they got to the fence, this thing takes off. He
goes straight up and he sees like a temperature inversion or like a wavy you
know, heat signature coming off the bottom of his craft. As it's moving
up and it's kind of glowing, Red said, but he could tell it
was silver, but it was well with glowing, he said, it's hard
to explain, he said, And it went straight up and made a dimy
degree turn to the south very quickly, and he said, that's what really,
you know, took them by surprises how quick it went and how fast
it turned. It was just not conventional. And but he when we went
inside for the interview, so we went outside, did all our our sampling.
We collected samples and everything, and we went inside and I again,
I'm it's not much to me because I do it as per job. But
I'm just saying collect samples, meaning I went in and I actually did a
few auger holes with some soil auger, took some soil samples, took some
vegetation samples, both control samples and the samples within the mark areas. Sample
sample sample, That's all I did. I took many, many samples,
and I have archives samples and samples I sent to their lab and everything like
that. So I did that. I took photos, everything like that,
measurements. So we went inside to do the interview and he's like, well,
there's something else I need to tell you. And I'm like okay,
I said, well what. We really didn't want to put it in the
report because, you know, we were afraid you guys would think are crazy.
And I'm like, okay, well, you know, hey, trust
me, I've heard crazy before. I'm okay. So we got real comfortable
with one another where we were talking and Mary Margaret was there with me,
our assistant State Director of Florida. And he started telling it's about this event
that occurred a few months prior. And I said, okay, well what
happened? And he said, well, this obous red object was in my
front yard. And he said I said, I think, well, what
do you mean in your front yard? He said, well, I walked
out into the front yard. This is around eleven I think it was eleven
PM at night. He was going out to the car for something and he
came face to face with this red object right in his front yard, probably
about thirty forty feet away, probably thirty feet he was a little close,
and he kind of was stunned, you know, that deer in headlights type
thing. And he starts yelling for his wife and his mother. After he's
yelling for his wife. His door was partially opened, and as he was
yelling for his wife, you know, his mother saw the same thing,
and she was like kind of panic stricken, according to him, and his
wife comes out. He's like yelling at her, get the camera, get
the camera, and he gets the She gets the camera and comes out and
starts snapping a few photos, and she was able to get a few still
shots. You know, they're smeared in most of the photos because it was
low light. She was trying to take it without flash, and then she
turned the flashots. So there's all sorts of modes that we described in the
report that she did how many seconds between each photograph, And there was a
few shots where she was able to hold it steady for a long enough time
to get a really solid look at the object. And by far me,
I haven't seen anything that close of this object ever, and it's it looks
literally kind of like a translucent crystal glass, you know, very bright red
object. His description when he was there in person, because camera shots,
video and everything can give you a different perspective of what actually people are seeing
because they're not like a human eye. But when they were looking at it,
their description was that it was bright, so bright that they would leave
streaks, like if you were looking at the sun, you know, in
the order bright light at night, it would leave sort of like a streak.
Well, he said, it would pulsate and it would sit there,
very bright, and it would be doing this the whole time. So and
they watched it. The wife taking photos would actually approach it and she tried
to get and it moved away from them. And it did this about three
times, and it would abruptly move horizontal and still kind of stir and kind
of do this irregular flashing, as he called it. And when it got
over the road and went over to the neighbors or across the street, right
into the front port of thereat, right over the you know, the seam
of the road, and then she stepped onto the road to walk towards it,
it shot free up and out of sight, and they don't They just
went straight up and kept going until it disappeared. And they said it moves
quickly. And then that's what really startled them, just how fast it moved,
and you know, and that's that's that they had the photos, they
had the testimony. They talked to us about it. We went into a
few other stories about you know, items about them. We were just trying
to get a characterization of our witnesses and everything like that. So it turned
out the way that that report turned out. It's pretty much everything's in there
and it and it. You know, we we still don't know what it
is. We contemplated what it may have been. You know, there was
i mean, theories all over the place. What the red object is,
you know, what it's made of? Is it man made? What fake?
And how would they fake it? You know, we looked at everything,
but we concluded that you know that the witness testimony was was genuine.
They were very honest with us. H they're they're a credible So you know,
you have to look at it in that respects too, because this is
sort of a forensics uh you know, I wouldn't hate to compare it to
homicide investigation, but you have to depend a lot on witness testimony sometimes right
to the facts in the case. And so you know, that's what we
have to do in these instances. It's not perfect for we know that yeah,
it's it's something, there's substance there, and we really believe that there
was some space and it was just so very intriguing. Uh, and the
fact that they have these studies, and of course after that, you know,
about a month later, you know, they get this sphere in their
backyard. Now, these spheres, I've I've had reports all over the place
and in one place in particular, which is you know kind of telling is
both Iraq and I Miss and a lot of people have been reporting from those
areas, reporting these exact objects. Yeah. Now that the picture that you're
talking about, the one where it was in their front yard, that's the
one where it's by the palm tree. The artist's rendition the picture, Yeah,
the sphere, the real picture, the real the red picture. Yes,
that was in front, that is in the front yard. They have
two palm trees in their front yard where estimate a few distances and how the
conject moved and what little movement it did. Yeah, hearing that photo stream,
but yeah, it's it's it was right up in front. So you
get an idea of how dark it, what's in the area, and how
white affects with the camera and everything. And we yeah, it was pretty
cool. And then you guys, I saw your analysis with the red laser
to see what was similar and of course, if you reflect the laser off
of something, it's kind of similar. But what's weirdness with her pictures?
Like you said, it's it's in the front yard next to this palm tree.
There really doesn't look to be anything it could reflect off of, right,
And yeah, we kind of were looking at everything. And that was
Mark's Mark d'antonio's analysis. I think you've talked to him on your show before,
but oh yeah, a couple of tens. Yeah, he's a really
good guy. And we also had an investigator from our our state also looked
at it and look at it and more of an analytical analysis and kind of
gave a good idea. And there's so much more he could have done.
I gave him like a month or so to do it. But but yeah,
it's it's it's a lot of work that went into the support and you
know, we're trying to emulate that and a lot of the big cases now
with the Star team. And even if they are cases that are explainable,
like let's say the Missouri case explainable, right, let's write a report about
it, Let's get it published and show people that process, right, Well,
what we actually do in the field and I think people will gain that
respect and understanding what we do. Yeah, exactly. And that's the hard
part with photographs, like you said, because really, even if you determine
the photographs, it doesn't appear to be hoax there's no even with an analyst
thing, you know there, it doesn't appear to be hoaxed. You never
know for sure, and you have to rely on the witness testimony. And
like you said, that's not one hundred percent, but sure at least it
is a definitely it gives you something. Yes, yeah, it's it certainly
is. And uh, it's it's it's it's it's substance. There's something to
this case, you know. Again, later on they had the objects show
up once more or twice more. Actually he saw it far off in the
distance, but the right at the instant. I think that happened about a
month or so after we talked to him. Uh, it was on his
roof. He came out the front door and he turned around. He saw
the red light, you know, the glowing in the yard. He's like,
oh, where is it? You know, he's looking all over the
place for it, and he turns around and it's right above his house,
right literally from his roof, and he got of panicked and kind of like
looked at it. And as soon as he looked at it, the things
for the cop and you know, who knows what it is. It is
so strange and in a and I've had other reports. I mean, we've
had Boca Ratone, similar areas just north of there. We've have the same
thing kind of show up there. This upright, uh you know, shape
and the thing that's they're intriguing about it. It's all primary color, like
a laser like color like greens, blues and reds and and and it's the
same shape. It's the same shape, and and what what the technology is
and what the possibilities of it is. It's just, you know, it's
it's very hard to pinpoint it. This is how weird. Now we'll post
these just so the listeners know. I'll put the pictures on our YouTube and
our you stream that we have when we do the show. And also if
I write a story, can I let people download the report? Yeah,
that shouldn't be a problem. I guess, like I always have to get
permission, so I don't it'll be a problem. But I can always I
can always do that Okay, great, Yeah, let me know and then
you know when soon after the uh people hear this will allow them to uh
look at it, because, like you said it, it's important to show
the work. Uh. So people know that you you did go through that
you're not just you know, arbitrarily declaring this is something strange that you did
a lot of work to verify. Uh and a lot of Yeah, we're
not calling and we're not calling it. You know, we're not saying it's
extraterrestrial. We're not saying it's man made. We're not saying it's folks.
We're just saying this is a mystery. We don't know what it is.
You know, few facts about it, but that's what's intriguing. We did
learn a little bit. But you know, this isn't like a smoking gun.
Definitely makes you think, I mean, it's a it's a it's it's
something that really puts some thoughts into what's really out there. You know,
it's there's something weird. You found anything weird you found with the soil.
No what we found though, obviously in Florida, we fertilize our yards a
lot and so we found a lot of it. We found a lot of
the uh you know, the fertilizer type indicators in the soils, there was
nothing. There was no crystallization because of the heat physical effects of the soil.
Most of the heat from my observation in the field, most of the
effects occurred at the top portion of the grass. So it was a heat
source from above and it didn't go all the way down. So this thing
wasn't touching the ground. It must have been above the surface, and the
heat generated from this object burned in that area. And it's like it may
have bobbed or moved a little bit while it was very close to the ground
because it has just transferred over a little bit, and that's how it kind
of got these two spots. It could have been, you know, as
it just kind of bobbled around wherever it was doing down near the ground.
So it's just a very strange effect that it had on the area. I
mean, it was the heat and the lab analysis you know, pretty much
confirmed that, yeah, this is burned grass. Yeah, and but that's
it. I think that's all that. The only physical effect that was probably
left behind was the heat, you know, effects to the to the vestation.
Uh and yeah, so it's so left no trace of hypercarbons, no
fuel emissions, no, you know, no nothing. When we tested,
we did a gas gas chromatograph sort of thing, and we were able to
determine that, you know, there was nothing unusual other than that the grass
was burned. Uh, and there's no real spikes or of any sort of
mystery substance I guess, or any foreign substance or any foreign effects. So
you know, and they did everything else that we did in the field.
They repeat it too, They did radiation, they did everything back and really
nothing came up other than the fact that, yes, they confirmed that the
grass was burned. Portions of the ashy was literally burnt vegetation material, so
it must have been very hot at that point. So you know, that's
that's what we came up with. And I was just thinking, you can
clearly tell that they're not Chinese lanterns, because of course the red orbs keep
getting blown off as Chinese lanterns. He say, yeah, oh yeah,
you know, and we do, and we we And it's such a punch
too, because we actually have organizations now, you know, these little social
groups. Now they go out and purposely take We really got to be careful
about it. I know those guys in New York got really pulled through a
ringer with these guys that were launching tons of these balloons and flares on them.
Yeah, tell the difference they look at distance. It's it's hard to
tell the difference unless you've actually yeah, I seen it move and maneuver and
say, yes, that's something unusual floats across the sky and sits there and
stangles. And recently I took some video of uh of military flowers over the
Goldwater Range and I mean, they look weird. They're so dang bright and
oh yeah, they're strange color. And if I just sent a clip to
move on and made up some story that they zoomed off into the sky after
I stopped recording, it'd be hard for someone to tell. Yeah, it
really would. It's easy. Like I say to people, it is easy
to fake. You have FOSK sighting. You can have the most extraordinary sighting
of a giant object in the sky and it's real. Now you can have
somebody that's good at special effects or just constructive can replicate that. You know,
because as human beings, we're very artistic, we're very intenuitive. We
can actually make that fighting. Just like that triangle with the guy that made
all the moving lasers and lights on it. Yeah, right, Oh that
other thing looks incredible. Yeah, I think it was even an Irish guy,
wasn't it. And uh yeah he made this triangle? Was the laser
coming out of it? That was awesome? It looks so real, it
does. And so it's all job as investigators to really pour through. And
that's what people say, Well, why do you call it insufficient data or
or you know, when somebody doesn't get some money, you just ignore the
case. Well, unfortunately, because of the bakery and because of the ingenuity
of people, we have to say we require a witness in order to continue
with the case. Now we can send it to the public, and so
here it is, but there's no witness, sort of like the what were
the drones in California? You know, no witness. These wonderful pictures show
up out of nowhere and there's no witness. Yeah, so it's it's hard.
You know. Of course, somebody eventually chased this you know, this
individual down and then no comment, no comment, and they figured out that
it was probably him. But again it's kind of what we run into.
So instead of getting burned on something and we just assume that it's from a
real thing. We have to require a witness, and it's part of it.
Now we're almost out of time, but I did want to get to
this other case that you had sent me an audio that we could listen to
a witness who saw some a spear Cape Canaveral in the sixties. Yeah,
sixty four. He's a retired Air Force pilot. He was not an Air
Force pilot. I thought he may have been that he wasn't an Air Force
pilot during that time, but he was obviously in the Air Force, I
believe. And he was out on a date on Cape Beach is what they
call it, which was a sort of a a inner coastal beach near on
the northern side of Cape Canaveral. So there was a beach out there,
and there was he said, there's roughly three to four hundred people out there,
and you know, on the pH dogs, kids running around, you
know, a hot dog stand, guy with his little friend trailer with hot
dogs. You know, you're trying to think of a typical nineteen sixty four
day on the beach, you know, that's what it was. Yeah,
and you know this, this this strange object, this ball bearing like sphear,
pops straight down out of the sky right over the kind of like where
the water meets the beach and just sits there, and it has like these
these rings like a gyroscope around it that are kind of rotating around it in
different directions, so like kind of like like rings that are kind of like
not touching the spear, but just hanging out. And they had one had
yellow lights in it or yellow lighting of some sort. The other one had
I think I think he said, greener, greener, red, and they
would just it would just sit there broad daylight, and everybody just stops and
looks at this thing. The whole beach. It just stops. And then
a few moments later they just recording and you can let the recordings speak for
itself. But they just walk off the beach like nothing happened, like there's
nothing going on, he said. They just walk off the beach like not
a panic. They just get out of there. They just all leave after
the thing off. So yeah, you can really hear the inflection in his
voice, you can really hear the sincerity from him. He remembers it like
it was yesterday or the beach, and we got out and we went up
over sand dunes and down on to the beach, and she and I had
turned and started walking west, and there was some ideas two or three hundred
people there on that little stretch of beach, and all of a sudden it
got quiet, and she and I turned around and everybody was standing there looking
up. And we looked up and there was this thing, I say,
about four or five hundred feet in the air. This thing reminded me of
the reminded me of the like a a steel a ball of steel ball.
It was real shiny, and they had two rings, one horizonally other pirtcle
that run around it, and they were fuzzy yellow, yellowish green. And
these things they pulsated and the wing did, the wing did right, the
ked like they would expand a little and then contract. And this thing was
just hanging there. It wouldn't wobbling or moving it all, and everybody stood
there. We stood there a good two three minutes looking at it, and
the thing finally started rising real slowly and went in the matter of the less
than three or four seconds, that thing shot straight out sight straight up,
and funny thing over this. Everybody on that beach all of a sudden picked
up and packed up their stuff, not seeing the word, just walked up
over dunes, out of the cars in the parking lot, got in the
cars started going home. And I never saw thing in the paper about it.
And did thee did the people seem alarmed at all? Or that it
was all real calm? There was no uh, screaming hall or loving wow.
And it means like everybody was mesmerized. All right, that's that's strange.
Yeah, that's what my thing is. I don't know. At the
time that I saw it, I wasn't panicky or anything. I just I
guess in my mind I was trying to figure out what I was looking at.
Sure, absolutely, because I was, uh well at that time,
I was working out on the cape and uh the girl I was with when
we were on the way back into town, she said, what was that?
And I said, I have no idea. Well, and what year
in location? Did you see this? Again? Is here from about nineteen
sixty four, Okay, And like I said, I read the newspapers and
watched the local TV stations and everything. About a week or two. There
was never a word printed or a word reported on it. Well, yeah,
that's not uncommon either, because we did a lot of sightings where people
just don't report them, and well that had happened for I don't know.
It just seemed like all of us didn't say anything about it. She asked
me, was she at the time? She said, you can just one
of them things they called you have both. I said, well, it
wasn't frying, I said, it was just hanging there. Yeah, I
said, it didn't make any noise. It was hanging there, and all
of a sudden something pulled it straight outside, straight up, And I know
good and will it wasn't a reflection because of the position of the sun and
what I saw there. Yeah, when you were you were able to pick
out some pretty good details. I mean, obviously it wasn't the sun or
anything like that, but well you see those round steel uh uh uh and
what they're like marbles, but they're bearing with a steel bearing, like a
steel bearing, And I thought I could see truth the thing went I I
was first looking at it, but it wasn't that I could see blue sky
through the two rings. It was their surface of this thing was so reflected.
It was reflecting the blue sky was the surface and on the on the
bottom side that you could tell it was like, uh, you old bearing.
Wow? And how how big do you think it was? Can you
can you at? I mean was like an arm length if you were to
hold out a non object like a quarter or a tennis ball or something.
And how how big was it comparative if you arms length, I'd say about
the size of tennis ball. Okay? And uh, this thing was this
thing? I adventures say the thing wasn't over uh fifteen hundred feet in the
year. And I'm sorry you were I cut you off before, But what
where did you say you saw this? What beach was that? It was
just a little it was I think it was an you know that more than
it wasn't a beach. Actually it was a waterway that has a little beach
front on it. So I think it's from what they called the Indian River
or Banana River, Okay. And it was just north as the Cape Okay.
And the cape is are you talking about the east coast of Florida Cape
or Yeah, they used to call it a Cape Canaveral Okay. Yeah.
And I guess the weather was normal and nothing. Yeah, there wasn't a
cloud in the sky, and it was nice and shurning and warm. And
what time do you think it was doing? This was around actually one o'clock,
shortly after in the afternoon. Okay. Do you know if any of
the or the other witness is still around or contactable about the event? Oh,
I'm sure there's still around or scattered, because like I said, there
was at least two hundred part more people been on that little beachfront, uh
strip of land. Okay. And when we first come over and down onto
the beach area, Oh, there's this kids out there running and arms and
they had these what they call boom boxes or and you could hear them going.
But it got quiet. I mean, they got real quiet, and
that's the reason we turned around. Everything went quiet all of a sudden.
And I mean, do you remember what the reaction of the people were.
I mean, were they all standing very still or were they reacting? Were
they pointing at it? Were they doing anything like that? No, it
was just like they well I was doing the same thing. We were standing
there just looking up at and nobody pointing or anything, just standing there looking
at it. And when the thing finally disappeared, do what the word said.
I mean, it was just like just like watching a bunch of sobbies
walk up over the hill on the mountain. The parking lot here, everybody
got in their cars, started calling up and left. Even that they that
there was a uh a vendor that had a little uh stand that day,
so hamburgers and hot dogs and everything in the parking lot, and even that
guy was packing up and closing down his little thing and hooking it up the
hall. It all even he left. Unbelievable. And I couldn't explain it
to her because we just got their kittn around left. So I don't know.
We just want the strangest things I've ever in gown hurting my life.
This thing was close enough if it if it had had a conventional end,
didn't or something like that, you'd heard it, But we didn't hear a
thing. The only thing I could distinguish was the slight breeks blowing up through
the the uh the grass and this tone uh like cat tails and everything on
the sand dunes. Did not hear that whipping truth the uh sort the grass
and everything, and that's all you could hear. Did you did? Did
anybody have like dogs? With them out there or anything like that, you
remember, like, yeah, I think there might have been one or two
dogs, but uh, I don't recall singing the dogs running around during the
time we were observing before theever, it was okay, And what about obviously
you're out near the water and Missus Florida being did you notice the seagulls or
any any other wildlife lying around like they usually? Yeah, a thing about
that was the only thing in the in the sky okay that the cars ar
it was, Oh, it was just like somebody has hung it there.
I stumbled upon him. He was another case. He was a father of
another witness. So this guy he saw a strange light when he was at
work at night, and then he said, oh, by the way,
my father has something that happened to him back in nineteen sixty four. Start
talking to him, and he became a new case, And so it was
really interesting to hear that. I love the historical cases. They're always fun
to research and find out. And if anybody in your listening audience, there's
anybody that may have had the same thing happen during nineteen sixty four on Cape
Beach is when he called it right off the coast there in the inner coastal
beach near Cape Canaveral in nineteen sixty four in the summer. I think,
hey, let us know, because we only have one way right now.
If we get a couple more witnesses, it'll become a much more solid case
and be really interesting to see when other people interpret it. All right,
great, well we are out of time. Thank you so much. And
I wanted to mention too, because we talked about UFO Soccer. That's just
ufostoccer dot com, where there's a map and the sightings pop up on the
map, which is kind of cool. If you haven't seen that, we've
talked about it on the show before, you'll want to check that out.
But even cooler, you're going to have this kind of similar thing but even
more robust and better on your mobile phone called UFO Connect and that's at ufoconnect
dot com. And thank you so much for coming and telling those about it.
Morgan, not a problem. It's always a pleasure and I love listening
to your show, so it's a cool, awesome. Yeah, the time
flies, huh you had? I mean that seems like we just started and
we're ahead. I was thinking you know, we've got an hour to talk
about the stuff, and it went by in no time and we probably could
have gone on more. Oh yeah, I've got so many other things,
and well we'll have you on. Then again, I could talk about more
later. Thanks for coming on, absolutely, thank you, and I really
enjoyed it, and thank you for joining us as well. Be sure to
tune in next week for another amazing show with Open Minds Radio, and check
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