WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:08.199 Deborah, with her thirty years of being an ltrepreneur and creating over seven companies, 2 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:12.119 knows exactly what it means to accept the mission. When you make that 3 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:16.359 decision, when you accept the mission to become a solopreneur, to take yourself 4 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:20.280 and your talents to market, then you embrace a life of not only unlimited 5 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:25.280 possibilities, but also the unknown. It's an elixir of fear and bravery that 6 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:30.480 only someone who's taken the leap really understands. On our show, deb digs 7 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:35.119 deep with her guests to highlight what you the listener wants to know the stories, 8 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:39.399 the whys, and the hows to navigate the journey to success. Get 9 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:43.679 ready to hear from some of the most incredible mission takers from Generation Z to 10 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:47.520 boomers. So sit up, perk up, and get ready to be blown 11 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:52.119 away. Now here is your host, Deborah Drummond. Well, well, 12 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:58.200 well look at you coming back here more. I know it's fantastic, right, 13 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.600 my god, you get so that we have I know that who we 14 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:07.280 have on today totally believes an energy and iron telling you, the vibration of 15 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.760 the guests that we have had is vibrating high. So of course you've come 16 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:15.239 back to spend some time with us today. Thank you so much. I 17 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:19.760 love you. You are the best podcast listeners and followers ever. And I 18 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:23.879 have to say it kind of like that because Selene O'Donovan, who's here from 19 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:29.519 Ireland, has her own fantastic podcasting community and you guys need to meet each 20 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:30.879 other. You guys need to meet each other. They need to pop onto 21 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.920 her show and see what's going on there. And I know, thank you 22 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:38.280 so much. There is a lot of people from Ireland that follows us and 23 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.640 so I'm sure you know who this incredible woman is. So look, you 24 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:45.840 guys, it's about mission accepted people taking on the mission. And I think 25 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:51.120 the topic that Selene has decided to share with us today is exactly in alignment 26 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:53.840 with that, because you know, I'm going to ask what made her, 27 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.040 you know, decide to take the mission of doing what she's doing. But 28 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:00.959 there's something about deciding to do a mission and that could simply just be life, 29 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.359 you know. And she's going to talk about how, you know, 30 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.680 when difficulties happen in life, what we do, how it changes us, 31 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:13.400 and how that change can be because life in itself is a mission. But 32 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:15.400 then you've got people that go, oh, I'm going to take on another 33 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:19.400 one and I'm going to be an entrepreneur. I'm going to venture out on 34 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.199 my own, or I'm going to write a book. And she's wrote an 35 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:27.280 incredible book and it's about the gifts from the devastation. And I'm sure she's 36 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.960 going to show us. If you are listening, just keep doing your thing, 37 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.400 but if you're able to watch us and see, she's going to show 38 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:36.639 her book and talk about that as well. So Seleine, thank you so 39 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:39.680 much for coming on Mission accepted today. Thank you so much, Deeb. 40 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:45.639 I am just so delighted, so delighted to connect with you from the West 41 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:53.080 coast of Ireland with all of your listeners. Yeah, really excited to talk 42 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.479 to you today. Absolutely absolutely as as well. And my listeners know how 43 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:01.120 much I love your country. So tell us a little bit about, you 44 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:07.000 know, the mission that started for you, how you got into this and 45 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:08.400 doing what you're doing. If you could share that with us, it would 46 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:15.360 be fantastic. Sure. Well, I suppose it dates back really to twenty 47 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:22.719 sixteen when I think my mission, let's say, came online without me knowing 48 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.360 I was diagnosed with breast cancer in twenty sixteen. Now I will say that 49 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.919 before that. I live in Goalie on the West Coast in Ireland. I 50 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:36.479 had a career in marketing, in banking. I then worked in the university 51 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.560 sector. Had my ups and downs like everyone in life. You know, 52 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:46.240 my marriage broke up when I was quite young. I did all the things 53 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:50.080 that many of us do to try and survive. I distracted myself. I 54 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:54.639 traveled, I drank, I partied, I know, overworked, overshopped all 55 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:58.919 of that. And you know, I was putting on a good face for 56 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.840 many years. You know, I was doing my best, like all of 57 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.759 us are. You know, I have a lot of compassion for anyone suffering 58 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:10.840 or in pain because I've been there and we all go through it, unfortunately 59 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.199 is part of the human condition. And so yeah, I was sort of 60 00:04:15.279 --> 00:04:20.160 doing my thing on the outside, looking successful, looking like I had it 61 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:25.199 all, looking like, you know, very happy. So I was doing 62 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.120 all ticking all the boxes I thought I needed to tick to get to the 63 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.480 place where I can say, Okay, I'm here, I made it. 64 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:35.040 I'm happy. The destination, you know, this is what will make me 65 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:41.439 happy and feel fulfilled. And at a certain point I'd say it probably was 66 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:46.439 around twenty twelve. I could feel like I just feel this rising sense of 67 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:50.120 anxiety and anxiety and me, no matter what I did, I worked harder. 68 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:57.319 I did everything harder I suppose, and I give everything to my work. 69 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:01.279 I loved my work. I worked with teenagers, supporting them making decisions 70 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:05.560 about university and careers. But I could feel this anxiety rising and rising, 71 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:12.480 and ultimately, in twenty fourteen, I had a car accident. Wasn't surprised, 72 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:15.680 very stressed. I was on the road with work and I literally my 73 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.439 glance shifted to somebody walking in the street, and I said, I'd loved 74 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:24.800 their life. They just looked so relaxed, and you know, I knew 75 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:28.319 nothing about them, but in to me, it looked like they had it 76 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.759 all. Had a car accident, recovered from that, and you know, 77 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:34.399 came back into work and thought, Okay, what do I do? I 78 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:39.879 work harder, I must be doing something wrong. Apply for other jobs. 79 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:45.839 So cut to the chase. Basically a year and a half later, I'm 80 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.439 very feeling, very burnt out. I wake up in bed one morning. 81 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:54.920 I'm reading a book at the weekend, and I find a love and cancer 82 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.759 didn't really go through my mind. You know, I was very good at 83 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.959 sort of not facing reality in a lot of cases. So I did my 84 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.800 best to keep going and said I'll think about that in a few weeks, 85 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:08.680 and eventually I did. I set it to a colleague at work and they 86 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:11.439 just said, look, you know, maybe you should go. Is it 87 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:15.519 a doctor? And I did, got the diagnosis, and yeah, I 88 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:21.800 hope then started a whole journey of falling apart. But also I would say 89 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:30.160 nearly falling into me and waking up and finding myself. And yeah, it's 90 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:35.600 been a roller coaster as life is and should be, I believe, but 91 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.680 yeah it was. But I will say, firstly, with the shot this 92 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:45.439 may surprise some people I was. This will give you the extent of where 93 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.920 I was at. I was deeply shocked and devastated when I got the news, 94 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:54.399 But after very short period of time, I felt relief. And I've 95 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:58.040 said this to so many people and they are looking at me like I'm crazy, 96 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.680 But I say relief because I could stop. I could finally stop, 97 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:09.279 you know, I you know, to Shay to Shay I as you're talking. 98 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:15.279 I think there's a lot of people nodding their head and a lot of 99 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:18.519 people that when you say that relief, there's many people that have had different 100 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:24.720 situations that have had that sense of relief and it probably comes from this really 101 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:30.000 deep internal place. And for you, it was the allowance to stop, 102 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.600 because it sounded like you like the way you described it is very much chasing 103 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:38.759 something, you know what I mean, chasing something? And good for your 104 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:44.240 colleague for prompting you to you know, but I could just imagine the headspace 105 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.600 right like you're like, you know, I got stuff to do, Like 106 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.519 I'm you know, I've got stuff to do. So I think that there's 107 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:54.680 a lot of people that would really relate to that. As surprising it is 108 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:59.680 as it is, it's probably surprising to people that haven't burned themselves out yet 109 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:07.600 or haven't had that long length of drive yet or the same experiences. So 110 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.800 so here you are, you're feeling a sense of relief, like what was 111 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.600 it like to put the brakes on? What was it? Like? What? 112 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.160 What what happened next? I mean, we know that eventually you wrote 113 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.680 your story and it's in a book, and I think you know stable and 114 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.879 thank you for your transparency, But at what point? So how did that 115 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.160 change? I mean, we now know you're an author or a podcast to 116 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.120 you're a speaker, you were working, you had cancered. What's some of 117 00:08:31.159 --> 00:08:37.080 the in between. Yeah, so I got the diagnosis. I ended up 118 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.720 back living in my own home. When you talk about it was the analogy 119 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:45.080 of the car and putting the brakes on, I would say, I took 120 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.240 my handle off the steering wheel. And you know, that was the greatest 121 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:52.440 I was, you know, and I understand it. I lived with a 122 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.240 lot of fears so many of us, I believe, are conditioned to do. 123 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:01.840 You know, the world we're in has a sort of programmed into different 124 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.440 That's how I felt growing up. I never felt like I fitted in, 125 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.879 so there was no other choice, you know, when everything falls apart, 126 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:16.960 I just I felt like I am falling, free falling, and I took 127 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.120 my hands off the wheel. And what I can say is, once you 128 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:22.279 do that, you are always held. Yes, you fall, but you 129 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:28.639 are always held. And I sort of I can describe it as cracking open. 130 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.320 And when I say this, you know, it might sound a bit 131 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.600 strange to people, but basically, for me, it was a very very 132 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:43.000 spiritual experience. It was a mind body spirit I firmly believe and I know 133 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.440 from my experience, I can't speak for anyone else that when you start to 134 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.600 embrace that, you are much more than just this physical body going around, 135 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:58.480 and you really allow yourself to expand into something greater. My God, there 136 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:03.559 is there is nothing that can stop you. You know everything, and they've 137 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.360 universe. This is the other thing. Whatever you believe in or not, 138 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:11.559 there is a greater force. I think we can all acknowledge there is a 139 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:13.440 greater force, a greater power. Whatever that is for you. It can 140 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.759 be nature, it can be anything, but it wants the best for you. 141 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:24.200 So I had to have the experience of everything being shut down through cancer. 142 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.200 I was describing this to a friend yesterday. Through the treatment, through 143 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.480 the cream of therapy, I couldn't think, I couldn't do and I was 144 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.000 just, okay, what am I I'm not thinking I'm not doing. There 145 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.600 is something else and it's beautiful and it's peaceful and it's calm. And I 146 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:45.080 had to be taken out for want of a better word, because I wasn't 147 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:48.159 stopping for anything else and I needed It was a two year period, so 148 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:54.960 I think there was a slowing into and a settling into. I needed that 149 00:10:54.039 --> 00:11:00.519 to sort of I suppose be reprogrammed or reset. And what happened. You 150 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:03.759 know, I had a lot of fatigue and this will I think many people. 151 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.799 I wasn't able to get back into what I had been doing, even 152 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.360 though there was a part of me feeling like I should. But I think 153 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:16.000 what I would say to people as well, Once, once there's a sense 154 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.919 of okay, I'm letting go here, you will be shown. We are 155 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:26.519 always shown always if there is a desire within you to you know, to 156 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.200 sort of come into something you know, you know, I think we all 157 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.360 know that. I can say it was like my huge the spirits, my 158 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:41.559 spirits Selene was had been sort of suppressed and there was something that started to 159 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:46.759 just organically wake up with me and the right people showed up. This is 160 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.600 you know, I was going to ask that. I mean, you clearly 161 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.000 were. I mean, you were in a certain mindset with certain people because 162 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.879 that's how you were vibrating. We talked about vibration. That's how you're vibrating. 163 00:11:56.919 --> 00:11:58.720 And you know, it's easy to feed that off people, right like 164 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.919 you're hustling and you're rustling, and it can be a beautiful thing if you 165 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:07.679 if you're in balance and in balance. I don't mean like every day in 166 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.000 balance. I mean if you are, you know, soulfully driving yourself. 167 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:15.960 But yeah, all of a sudden to stop and then have the words of 168 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:18.320 someone go oh, it was a relief in such a you know, beautiful 169 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.559 spiritual awakening is what I'm hearing. Where, Yeah, what kind of support 170 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:24.960 came in to make you even know that's what was happening for you. It 171 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:28.879 took time, you know, I'm saying that now. I cannot say that 172 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.799 in that moment at all. But all I knew was I was. I 173 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.279 had been so slow down. It was just like taking the next step, 174 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:39.240 the next step. And I remember I just met a friend for coffee and 175 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:41.120 I said, you know, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't 176 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.639 know what to do. I can't go back, I don't know what lies 177 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.000 ahead, I don't know who I am. And she so I think this 178 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.720 thing of reaching out and connecting with people that feel right for you, and 179 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.039 it's you know, it will. It didn't happen for quite a while. 180 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.120 I was about a year year and a half and this friend, So this 181 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.519 is sort of the moment I would say something started to happen this friend said, 182 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:03.639 and I hadn't seen her in twenty years. This is a friend I 183 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.559 hadn't book. This is how things happen. She said, Look at AA. 184 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.080 There's a very good friend of mine, retired teacher, and she's running 185 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:15.559 a course called The Artist Way. Would you're not the book by Julia Cameron? 186 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.440 Would you think of doing it? And I'm not an artist and I 187 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.799 don't know what I'm doing. She said, it's just to get together for 188 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.960 women, connecting with yourself and getting to know yourself. So I did and 189 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:31.200 that turned out to change everything. That woman. I'll remember the day sitting 190 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.120 having coffee with her. She said to me, Selene, she said, 191 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.879 you're always talking in the group about what you've learned from cancer, what you've 192 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:43.799 gained, how it's changed you, how it's transformed you. Why don't you 193 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.759 write about it? And I said, I'm not a writer, and she 194 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.639 said, just think about it. I went home and I was bubbling, 195 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:54.559 you know, And I'm a firm believer we often need other people to unlock 196 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:56.639 the next step of our story. We can't do it on our own. 197 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:01.679 And if yes, sometimes we get the inspiration, sometimes we don't. So 198 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:07.639 I opened my laptop and I sat down and I just basically just wrote for 199 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.480 six months and not knowing it was a book, you know, I just 200 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:16.480 knew this, whatever is inside is needing to come through. And as it 201 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:20.960 turns out, I went to a publisher locally, a self publisher first, 202 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.279 and they said to me, when I had a draft, would you think 203 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:26.360 of writing fiction? And I looked at them like they were crazy. I 204 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:31.360 said, fiction. I've only just written my story and all of this, 205 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.320 but I've been through and I said, okay, well I'm doing nothing else, 206 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.159 so okay, and I went away, and little voice that started in 207 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.679 my head. So I ended up writing the second, the first book, 208 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.039 the first book that I published. Second. So I went away and I 209 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:52.000 ended up writing a fictional story about three three generations of women living in Galway 210 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.159 City where I am, and how because this is what was most alive in 211 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.559 me at the time, and I called it It's called the Tapestry of life 212 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.759 to show you there, but as it was like tea and cake and women 213 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.759 meeting, but it really was. It was resonant. I suppose of my 214 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.399 story, how all of these women had suddenly weaved a tapestry into my life 215 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:18.639 to change it and how important we are and how we all need each other. 216 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.799 And that story was about the power of community, particularly for women, 217 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:26.600 which is another big passion of mine now. And then I I self published 218 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.559 that, so that was that was I suppose everything is bringing you to the 219 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.600 next step. And I'm a big believer that life is all about initiations and 220 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.600 we sort of we expand through that, we go through some tough times and 221 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.440 then we sort of level up, and then we're sort of at that level 222 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.320 and then there's another sort of you know, and when we're ready, when 223 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.159 we're ready for the next step. So following that, we went into lockdown. 224 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.879 It was I launched it. We went straight into lockdown with COVID, 225 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.320 and then I thought, what am I going to do? So I started 226 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.360 started editing the second book, which is and then I went on and published 227 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:02.120 that. So you know, there's a lot of other things going on at 228 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:03.919 the time. And then I started training. I was trained as a life 229 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:10.240 coach. I did reiki and you know, all all facets on my personality. 230 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.759 But yeah, that's but once you give space, I think that's for 231 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:17.399 me. Once once we allow ourselves in whatever way, it doesn't have to 232 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.279 be through cancer. Sun space. You know, what's in us will start 233 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.480 to bubble up, It'll just naturally start to bubble up. But I have 234 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:30.240 never allowed myself that space. And I think a big part of that is 235 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.720 often having to go into a process of clearing a lot of old traumas and 236 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:38.480 grief and emotions and energy that gets blocked in our body, and that is 237 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:45.440 what suppresses the spirit that is just dying to get out and express. So 238 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:52.399 it's it's a different it's a challenging, but it's it's it's just yeah, 239 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.159 this is life. This is the journey of life, isn't it. You 240 00:16:55.159 --> 00:17:02.240 know, we either step into it or or life it was I think this 241 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.519 is a push. Well, I mean it's interesting because really, just listening 242 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.680 to you talk for this last bit of time, you really have taken us 243 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:12.799 through quite a journey and you've answered so many questions that one would ask you 244 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:17.480 right like how did you start to find yourself? And you talked about well, 245 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:22.400 it took some time. I would imagine that you yourself with you know, 246 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.440 your your self preservation was tested. I'm sure there was times where you 247 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:29.799 were scared, Like you went to your girlfriend who hadn't talked in twenty years 248 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.400 too, like I don't know what's next. I think that is what stops 249 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:38.480 a lot of people from what you just said, giving space, slowing down 250 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:42.519 and having nothing aarrived, being in the nothingness. I mean, it's difficult 251 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.160 enough to listen to a meditation, do you know what I mean? Like, 252 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.960 it's difficult enough to put on a kind of meditation and find twelve minutes 253 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:52.720 a day. It's so funny. I'm listening to a meditation right now, 254 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.279 and it's so beautiful. The first time I heard it, I was looking 255 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.200 for one specifically, I was looking for brain meditation and this popped up and 256 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.400 I'm like, oh'll give it a go. I mean, and I was 257 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.039 crying through the whole thing. And this was a few weeks ago. I 258 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:11.240 started listening to him and it was like, in these next twenty minutes, 259 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.119 what we're going to do here? You are going to accomplish more than you 260 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.319 do in an eight hour day. And I'm like, I bet you put 261 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:18.799 that in the beginning of your meditation for all of us that are like, 262 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:23.160 oh, right, like producers, right, We're all like producing. But 263 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:26.039 I think it is very difficult to be in the nothingness. And I think 264 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.559 it is very difficult, and I think it's very scary for someone just why 265 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:36.640 we hear these experiences of multitude of I got this condition or this happened, 266 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:41.119 or car accident or and it was the thing that stopped that person because it 267 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:42.960 was big enough to go. I need to listen to what's really going on 268 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.559 inside. But I think we are concerned, or we're like, but we 269 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:52.079 don't know what next to do, or we're caught up in our own wheel. 270 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.920 A lot of times it's not even like people are pressuring us. Yeah 271 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.839 we're so we're still in that wheel because we don't if you stop, what 272 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.039 to you do? Who pays the bills? Right? I mean I think 273 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.759 fiscal comes into people's trunk with finances. Well, if I don't do this, 274 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:08.559 what I'm going to Like it's hard to get someone to stay in the 275 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:15.839 nothingness and let it come to you, right, And sometimes you're balancing, 276 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.680 you know, it's I remember people used to say to me, you don't 277 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.640 have to just you know, in my case, it was quite dramatic. 278 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.319 It doesn't have to be that for everyone. But I can remember even someone 279 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.559 saying to me a few years earlier when I was in this sort of questioning 280 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:32.319 mode going. You know, you don't have to leave your job, say 281 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.680 you know you can always you know a lot of people have to keep two 282 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:38.640 things going at the same time. And I had tried that. I tried 283 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.839 that I was working and I was also working training and all these other things. 284 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:47.839 But that wasn't to be my path. And I think the key for 285 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.319 me, which has given me such food or passion in my life is to 286 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.920 know that every I think Wayne dyr the Great Wayne Dyer said no experience is 287 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:03.039 wasted, and every single if you can start to look at every single experience 288 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.279 in your life, is happening for you. You know, And even just 289 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:11.759 by that, I know that can sound in the moment when you're going through 290 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:17.519 something very very very challenging that you know may not be possible, but maybe 291 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:19.480 with time you can start to hold up what if it was? What if 292 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:23.599 there is something? Because I can say for sure and I have not met 293 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:32.240 anyone who has had a contrary experience that every single challenge they've gone through always 294 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:36.839 always has you know, if they if they have opened themselves up to it 295 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:41.160 has always led them to something better. And yes, we go through some 296 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.319 things that maybe we will never understand in this lifetime. But what's the alternative? 297 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:49.039 You know, I know so many period people and I've experienced great grief 298 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:55.599 in my life, but as well, Bush, you know, yeah, 299 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.720 yeah, you will always be held. You will always be held if you 300 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.640 make the choice that honors your heart and your soul. I am there's no 301 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:08.960 one I know that regrets that, despite the challenges, despite the pain, 302 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:14.240 that is part of being a human being. In this clash. I love 303 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:18.079 how you reframe it, Selene, when things are happening for you, you 304 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:23.160 know, because I think sometimes we get in that place and I say this, 305 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:27.279 it's not like selfishness, but it gets self observing. We feel like 306 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:33.119 things are happening to us and only us when you're in pain. When you're 307 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:36.400 in pain, it's your pain, right. You wake up with that pain 308 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.640 silently, you go to work or you talk to people and you've got that 309 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.880 smile on, but you feel like you're in pain, and it's hard and 310 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:48.240 to understand that other people very much can be having the same experience and it 311 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.039 is feeling like it is happening to not for so I really love your reframe 312 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:56.559 on that, and I'm sure that's what your book must have some things in 313 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.440 it. I know that we're kind of coming close to the and oh my 314 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:03.880 gosh, you've to sit there and talk forever. Yeah, but I'll just 315 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.759 say I suppose there's three parts to this book. Really. The first is 316 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.599 sort of my story and you know, giving a bit of background to that. 317 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:14.240 You know, I'm just like everyone else with all the you know, 318 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.759 ups and downs of life. And then I sort of go into the experience 319 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:21.799 itself then how it started to change me. And I finished then with a 320 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:25.839 lot of ice caull it like inside out living, so I have a number 321 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:27.960 of it's using a wheel of life sort of a coaching tool, but it's 322 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:33.400 really looking at all the different aspects of your life that really are driven from 323 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:37.720 the inside, whether it's your your boundaries, your beliefs, your values, 324 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:42.319 you know, honoring your intuition, you know, finding your purpose creativity. 325 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:48.480 So there's a very practical sort of step by step to hold people's hands, 326 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.680 you know, in the process, because it's going to be unique to everyone. 327 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:55.920 And I have had which is lovely. I have had many women who 328 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:57.799 have had cancer and many who have but not you know, it's not a 329 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:02.359 cancer book. I knew that from the very beginning. This is not about 330 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.920 cancer. This is awakening to who you truly are and to your potential in 331 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:10.079 this life. And you know there is no greater gift. And I say 332 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.480 that at the very beginning that every single one of us, you know, 333 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:15.640 because that is what we are. We are a spark or something greater, 334 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:19.720 and each of us shining that into the world is what makes the world a 335 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:25.440 better It's you know, it's it's it's what helps everyone. We need everyone 336 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:30.119 to shine their lights so brightly, particularly now, and it's time. I 337 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.240 think it's time for all of us to do that. So absolutely. I 338 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.599 love that. I love how you say that it's an awakening. You know, 339 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:41.319 you had an awakening, and we have awakenings, and if I could 340 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:45.480 hear a message and share it, I think you probably had nigglings of the 341 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:49.720 awakening many times. And I think that's really important. I mean, turn 342 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:56.000 the volume up on the voice on the inside that's starting to say say those 343 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:59.599 niggling things to you. It could be something that you're eating that's not healthy. 344 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.839 It could be someone talking to someone in your life that maybe you need 345 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.920 to shorten your time with. Maybe it's you know, you've got this niggling 346 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.240 saying I don't know why, but I need to go to this location in 347 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.240 the world. I don't know why, I don't know anyone there. I 348 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:17.000 don't know what's supposed to be there. I don't know what that door opens 349 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:19.519 to. But if there's that niggling inside, and then hang out, hang 350 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:23.240 out with the people that support the niggling, you know, it's like you 351 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:27.400 know what's really happening, and be exploratory in life. And I think that 352 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:33.160 needs some bravery and courage. Right, you have been very brave. I 353 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:36.079 think I don't know if the third section is about bravery, but you certainly 354 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:38.640 stand tall for that. I think that's amazing. Well, thank you, 355 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.480 right, and just one fine a little thing to say to people if you're 356 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.759 going about your business every day now and you're just in your normal saying I 357 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.960 don't know how to break out of this, Like you said, I would 358 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.759 just say even once and once a day, just say to yourself for the 359 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.240 next week, whatever little voice, and trust what I would say is the 360 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:00.880 voice of the intuition and the voice of the heart is not the the critical 361 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:04.359 inner critic voice is a very difference. So any little soft whisperings that start 362 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.119 coming to you, like you said, to go get that book, to 363 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.200 go meet that perk, just followed, followed, because it's a breadcrumb trail. 364 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.319 That's how I've experienced. There's a bread from trail and we're only ever 365 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.279 shown the next step. But we as humans want to see, you know, 366 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.759 everything, but no, no, no, you don't really because it's 367 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.720 an adventure. But you're always shown the next step. And I get days 368 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.200 where I'm like, what am I doing? You know what about I'm just 369 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.000 going to run back to my own career, you know, and it's it's 370 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:36.720 still there, you know, at the moment for me. But I'm going 371 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.079 no, and I'm always shown and it does take it. You know, 372 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.559 it's a process. It's just but yeah, just i'd say i'd challenge, 373 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.799 not challenge, but I just suggest do that because it always pays off. 374 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.319 It always pays off. I love that. I love that. I think 375 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:56.400 you have a new hashtag. I think that sounds like the cover of a 376 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.359 book. You know, my media brain goes follow the bright crumb trail, 377 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.640 follow the breadcomb trail. I like that. Yeah, yeah, I'll support 378 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.440 that T shirt. I'll support that T shirt. Okay, I'm going to 379 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.920 completely change the topic and my listeners know exactly what we're going to do right 380 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.920 now and putting everything aside. When we come back, I'm please going to 381 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.240 ask you to share with our listeners and our viewers where they can reach out 382 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.759 to you. Even though everyone knows it's in the show notes, but there's 383 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.200 some people that just like to listen and hear it. So before we do 384 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:29.200 that, we're going to completely change directions. And let's pretend you're on your 385 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:33.000 way to a desert island and this is your final journey and you have you're 386 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.079 packing your suitcase, and in that suitcase you have room for one album. 387 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:44.279 What album could you not imagine not listening to for the rest of your days 388 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:48.240 on this gorgeous beach? What album are you packing in that suitcase? Selene, 389 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.319 I don't know if I'm going to disappoint you, but you could never 390 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:53.960 disappoint me. When it comes to me, I'm not well, I'm going 391 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.680 to say I'm not so much an outgum person. I'm really a sort of 392 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:02.599 any music that the sounds a bit of a copy, any music that really 393 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:07.640 rare, And I'm going to give you a song if I can. Firstly, 394 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.920 because this song just changed everything with the first interviews I did. And 395 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.319 it's called I Am Light by India Ari Simpson. I don't know if you've 396 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:19.480 heard of that song. It's but it's the most beautiful and it finishes with 397 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:22.960 so it's basically saying, you know, I'm not the mistakes that I made. 398 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.480 I'm not only of the things that cause my pain. I'm not the 399 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.480 pieces I have it here, of the dreams I left behind. I am 400 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:30.960 light. I'm not the color of my eyes, I'm not the skin in 401 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.880 the ads, and I'm not my age. Basically, I am divinity defined. 402 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:37.480 I am God on the inside. I am a star, I am 403 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.640 a piece of it all. I am light. And I think if you 404 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.039 know, I could listen to that over and over. Other than that, 405 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:49.000 I would bring an unusual You may not have heard a snat on car She's 406 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.599 a of course, I know, yeah, Yeah, I'm beautiful. I 407 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:57.880 love Yeah. So anything that for me raises my frequency, brings me to 408 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.960 that place of pi and enjoy. I can live at that on a lo 409 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.640 Island. 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