WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:26.960 KFI and six for It's Later with Mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on the 2 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:30.399 iHeartRadio app. And if you've been listening to KFI, you know what is 3 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:34.799 going on. But if you haven't, here's the latest. A dispersal order 4 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:40.000 has been issued at UCLA. There's a considerable law enforcement presence on the campus 5 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:45.479 and in the surrounding community, LAPD, LA Sheriff's Department and other agencies. 6 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:50.159 We're going to monitor the events there throughout the evening. And as I've said 7 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.520 before, and I'll say it again, you always got to be more concerned 8 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:59.439 as the sun goes down. But I want to start off tonight by pulling 9 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:03.239 back to talk about where we are big picture. Then we'll drill down locally 10 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:11.159 UCLA, USC and so forth. But the University of Wisconsin Madison and Fordham 11 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:15.640 in New York checked in with their versions of protests and encampments today. Overall, 12 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:22.599 more than fifty colleges and universities around the country have had varying levels of 13 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:27.120 protests every quadrant of the country north, south, east, and west. 14 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:32.519 More than fifteen hundred people have been arrested. How many of them were actually 15 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:37.959 students, I don't know. We don't know how many were outside actors the 16 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.079 same I don't know, and we don't know, But I said at the 17 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:48.359 beginning of the week that USC and UCLA have up until this point kind of 18 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:53.560 followed the same general trajectory of escalation that was happening on the East coast. 19 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:56.159 It would happen on the East coast, and then it would filter to the 20 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:00.879 west coast. That's what it seemed like was what was happening. That trend, 21 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:04.879 or at least that's what I'm gonna call it, continued with this outbreak 22 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:09.560 of fights and fireworks, I mean literal fireworks which were being used as weapons 23 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:15.759 against the encampments in front of Royce Hall on the UCLA campus in the middle 24 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:20.599 of the night, turning Wednesday morning, to which Governor Gavin Newsom, in 25 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:24.599 the wake of these protests and growing campus unrest, released this following statement today. 26 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:30.120 It read quote, I condemned the violence at UCLA last night. The 27 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.719 law is clear. The right to free speech does not extend to inciting violence, 28 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:40.000 vandalism, or lawlessness on campus. Those who engage in illegal behavior must 29 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:46.000 be held accountable for their actions, including through criminal prosecution, suspension, or 30 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:53.680 expulsion. Close quote There was also a question as to when law enforcement LAPD 31 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:58.639 was called and how long it took for LAPD and or campus police to respond 32 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:01.560 to the fights and unrest on the campus. That's still being sorted out. 33 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:07.039 That's less of mind concern tonight, but the university has though, canceled classes 34 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.919 for the foreseeable future. I think they might even be done with finals at 35 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:15.199 this point or maybe by the end of the week. Royce Hall will be 36 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:19.199 closed through the end of the week and Powell Library will be closed through the 37 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:24.240 week and into the weekend, maybe opening on Monday. That's UCLA and we'll 38 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:30.400 come back to that across the city. Here's USC's latest update to the university 39 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:37.400 website regarding commencement. Quote. With the new safety measures in place this year, 40 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:40.879 the time needed to process the large number of guests coming to campus will 41 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.800 increase substantially. As a result, we will not be able to host the 42 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:51.439 main stage ceremony that traditionally brings sixty five thousand students' families and friends to our 43 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.240 campus, all at the same time and during a short window from eight thirty 44 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:59.960 am to ten am. We understand that this is disappointing. However, we 45 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:06.199 are adding many new activities and celebrations to make this commencement academically meaningful, memorable, 46 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:13.960 and uniquely usc including places to gather with family, friends, faculty, 47 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:19.560 and staff, the celebratory releasing of the doves, and performances by the Trojan 48 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:23.040 Marching Band. Close quote. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to laugh at 49 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:27.720 that, but usc, you do know what's going outside, going on outside 50 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.439 right now? Right? You do know that releasing some doves and kicking it 51 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:35.439 with the marching band, albeit traditional in nature, probably do not a meaningful 52 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:42.079 commencement make you know that? Right? Well? Evidently not so. Then 53 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:46.279 let's ask what happens. Now, Here's what happens. It probably gets worse 54 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:54.240 before it gets better. The outside actors, the political grandstanding, the insincerity 55 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:58.720 as to caring about either side of the protest, will only grow. And 56 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:03.000 let me just very quick touch upon what I see as the politics of the 57 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:09.839 moment. The Republicans, they don't give a damn about anti Semitism, because 58 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:15.160 if they did, they would have responded differently in every single previous instance, 59 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.199 i e. Connected to Donald Trump, connected to Charlottesville, connected to Elon 60 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:24.839 Musk. We can run the list. The Democrats, they don't give a 61 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:30.360 damn about GAZA. They're desperately trying to keep these protests from destroying their election 62 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:35.839 plans in November. That's all they care about. Politicians only care about the 63 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:42.279 politics of the moment. Squash a protest on one campus, and another one 64 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:46.120 is going to pop up on another campus. Rent to repeat. That's what 65 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:50.120 I expect to happen. Expect this chaos to continue on varying levels all the 66 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:56.240 way up to and maybe through graduation weekend. That's pretty much the expiration date 67 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:00.600 on all of this. It has to end around graduation. Campus protests with 68 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:06.279 no campuses to protest on, well, they have no future. And I'm 69 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:11.680 going to continue to tell you the truth as I see it and smacks me 70 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.800 in the face. I always say, get the easy ones right for me. 71 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.000 This is one of the easy ones, and here it is. There 72 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:23.920 is nothing, I repeat, there is nothing which suggests that these protests will 73 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:30.480 change anything at all, not foreign policy, not university policy, not university 74 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:35.720 investments, not law enforcement engagement policy, absolutely nothing. Can I be more 75 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:40.240 clear? The protesters, although many of you, I guess are sincere, 76 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.360 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say most of you are very 77 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.800 sincere. Well, you've lost the plot, as they say, You've lost 78 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:54.839 control of the media characterization of these protests. You've lost the moral authority due 79 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:59.480 to the violence in vandalism I warned you about, and here we are having 80 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.519 to deal with with it. I tried to make that parallel, that comparison 81 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:06.680 to the civil rights of the nineteen sixties and why they were more successful than 82 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:12.519 these protests, which are not going to be successful because you've lost control of 83 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.519 any message you've hoped to convey, because it's now drowned out by fights, 84 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:23.839 fireworks and self barricades and buildings. Nobody, big picture cares about the supposed 85 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:29.800 message anymore because the news is going to focus on the violence and the vandalism 86 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.079 and the law enforcement response. The message is not going to matter at all 87 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:39.360 because the bottom line, you're not changing hearts, minds, or policies. 88 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.279 But hey, I'm not all Debbie Downer tonight. I mean, you can 89 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.000 look at the bright side. Outside of everything I've mentioned the protests, they 90 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:53.480 seem to be working wonderfully. Outside of everything I said, They're going exactly 91 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:59.839 as planned. You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on Demand from KFI ams. 92 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.560 It's later with Kelly. We'relive everywhere on the iHeartRadio app Let's go to 93 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:09.959 NBC. They are at UCLA right now. They're hoping that it won't but 94 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.680 at this time, you know, we're going to stay sort of a safe 95 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.800 distance away. Right now. These are the pro policy and protesters. There 96 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.439 are a lot of them gathered up there, and this is we're hearing them 97 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:26.560 being spoken to on the loudspeaker and just letting them know we are prepared if 98 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:31.480 officers make or try to make entrance into our encampment. That's the very latest 99 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.679 here, Colleen and Carolyn, back to you in the studio. Okay, 100 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:39.440 we'll continue to monitor the events at UCLA. If you're just tuning in. 101 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:45.600 There is a large law enforcement presence at UCLA. There is a dispersal order 102 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:48.720 issued to protesters at UCLA. So at this point, law enforcement is making 103 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:54.639 it very clear that they will not tolerate what happened last night. In fact, 104 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.840 they may take the next step and start clearing people out, but they 105 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.679 have not said specifically any intention they may have of doing that in the immediate 106 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:09.279 future. But that's why we're going to watch and see what is happening on 107 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:15.200 UCLA's campus. And if you are following what is happening at USC the student 108 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:18.200 newspaper, the Daily Trojan, if you go to its website, they have 109 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:24.279 an ongoing up to the minute update as far as what's happening on campus, 110 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.399 and the most recent post was at seven fifteen pm, not long ago. 111 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:33.919 And these are the student journalists and it says, quote, chaos and confusion 112 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.639 reigns at the McCarthy Way entrance, where dozens of people were held outside the 113 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:43.200 gates for about ten minutes before finally being let in. Mixed messages are making 114 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:48.159 it unclear if students are allowed in or out. A DPS officer, Department 115 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:52.240 of Public Safety officer said they are in stating, I think that don't mean 116 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:58.480 instituting a lockdown, and we are trying, we are not trying to let 117 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.360 anyone. There's some grammatical errors there. At McCarthy Way, a professor could 118 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:09.559 be heard shouting at DPS officers asking if they would take responsibility for his student's 119 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.960 grades. And there was one other report which came in just minutes before that. 120 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:18.679 Some protesters have made a long sign reading thirty K thirty thousand killed. 121 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:24.600 Blood on your hands with red handprints on it. That's just a little sampling 122 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:31.720 of what's going on at USC and UCLA. I expect more of the same 123 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:33.840 as it goes into the night. I was saying earlier, you have to 124 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.840 be more concerned about what may happen as the sun goes down. You have 125 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:43.919 these outside actors who are not loyal to the actual goals of the protests. 126 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:48.159 They're just agents of chaos, and they will do what agents of chaos do, 127 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.639 and that's create more chaos on these campuses. So keep it right here, 128 00:10:54.440 --> 00:11:00.120 keep it on KFIM six forty. We're going to follow these protests and 129 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.279 any type of unrest which may come out of them throughout the evening. Even 130 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:09.440 though we may not be actively talking about it. I'm monitoring it. Stephan's 131 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.720 monitoring it in air mix to Wallas monitoring it, and we know that Mark 132 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.159 Ronner and the KFI twenty four hour newsroom is monitoring it and also will be 133 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.440 joined once again by Tiffany Hobbs of the viral Load. She if you don't 134 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.960 know, she is a USC alum and also someone who has participated in various 135 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.679 protests over the years and gives and actually last week gave a great insight as 136 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:37.960 to what happens when you're on the ground, when you're involved in the midst 137 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.080 of it. The people who try to intervene, the people try to interlope, 138 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:46.120 the people who try to hijack, for lack of a better word, 139 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.240 any type of message, any type of protest, and any type of proceedings 140 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.879 or discussions with the university, regardless of the subject matter. Let me go 141 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.360 back to this. As we watch UCLA, we have to watch for a 142 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:09.039 couple of things. The sun going down, and also whether law enforcement makes 143 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:15.080 a push forward. Since there has been an order of dispersal, that says 144 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:20.919 to me, non compliance would lead to law enforcement pushing forward, that would 145 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:26.679 lead to a further escalation and heightened tensions in the moment. And given what 146 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:33.080 happened last night, it says to me something very similar could happen on UCLA's 147 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:39.480 campus, which happened on Columbia's campus, or which may happen anywhere else or 148 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:46.600 even on USC's campus. And I didn't make mention of this earlier, but 149 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:52.879 Mayor Bass has also weighed in saying that the violence is detestable. She said 150 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:58.480 that people launched fireworks and spread chemical irritants at other people as well as assaulting 151 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:03.639 them. The Americans Liberties Union Foundation of Southern California set a group of people 152 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:09.720 with bear spray and weapons descended on the pro Palestinian protesters and attack them. 153 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.720 And I'm not blaming going back to what I said last segment, I'm not 154 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:20.320 blaming the protesters for what other people did who opposed the protesters. If the 155 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.039 people and I say, if if the people inside the encampment were not violent, 156 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:30.000 and then people outside the encampment were violent, I'm not going to blame 157 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:33.159 the people inside the encampment. But at the same time, you have to 158 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:41.679 prepare for some of these eventualities when you try to encamp in the school and 159 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.000 you try to lock down the campus and you try to disrupt anything and everything 160 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:50.919 which is happening on the campus, from school life to final exams, anything 161 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.519 of that. So it's going to be very complex. It's going to be 162 00:13:54.600 --> 00:14:01.799 very difficult to necessarily separate who is responsible for what as the evening progresses. 163 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:07.000 And that's why it's really dangerous when the sun goes down, because under the 164 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.279 cover of night, people will do a lot of things they wouldn't do in 165 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.200 the plane. Sunlight of day. So this is something we're going to continue 166 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.360 to watch not only on UCLA's campus, but other campuses around the south Land. 167 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:24.440 We had been watching what had been happening on UCI's campus because oftentimes when 168 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:30.240 you have these protests, and especially with outside agitators, they're not going to 169 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:35.000 only focus on one campus at one time. And since we know that the 170 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.000 majority of law enforcement is focused on UCLA. If you're listening to Tim Conway 171 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:46.559 Junior, he had detailed how the presidence included LAPD, Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, 172 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:52.960 Santa Monica PD, possibly even Culver CITYPD. Well, the people who 173 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.840 are bad actors and the chaos agents know that, well, there will be 174 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:03.399 lesser of a police force present and available for other campuses. So something I'm 175 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:09.240 watching for is not necessarily what happens on UCLA's campus, but whether opportunists will 176 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:15.440 try things on other campuses knowing that there is such a focus in a media 177 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:20.879 sense and also law enforcement response sins on UCLA's campus. It's later with mo 178 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.159 Kelly Camfi AM six forty. We are lived everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 179 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:30.279 When we come back, there is a UCLA survey survey. Get this, 180 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:37.320 the quality of life rating is the lowest ever for La County residents. You 181 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.799 don't say, we'll get into that next. You're listening to Later with Moe 182 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:46.480 Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty. And we're continuing to monitor the 183 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:52.879 events unfolding on the campus of UCLA in front of Royce Hall. There has 184 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.759 been an order to disperse which has been issued by LAPD. There is a 185 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:07.000 sable law enforcement presence right now on the campus in front of the encampments. 186 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:11.080 At this point, it's not clear as to what LAPD is going to do 187 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:18.120 with people who do not heed the dispersal order. I was saying last segment, 188 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:23.799 when the sun goes down, you have a higher propensity of agitators and 189 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:30.080 a holes who may try to create some chaos. That's one concern. And 190 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:36.639 there's also this If we looked at Columbia as a guide, when NYPD showed 191 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:44.080 up enforce in riot helmets and they had a vehicle to help them gain access 192 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:48.759 to the Hamilton Building, a reasonable assumption was after a certain amount of time 193 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.960 they probably were going to go in. I would have to say the LAPD, 194 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:59.679 with hundreds of officers on site and also having given a dispersal order, 195 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.279 at some point probably will move forward. I don't know when that time is 196 00:17:03.319 --> 00:17:08.160 going to be, but I think it's a reasonable assumption given the presence on 197 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:14.079 campus and given the dispersal order. That's something that we're watching for, we're 198 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:18.000 waiting for, and we're going to keep monitoring throughout the rest of the evening. 199 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.720 You don't have to worry about missing any of the information or the events 200 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.079 as they unfold. Just keep it right here on KFI AM six forty. 201 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:30.680 In the meantime, I guess I could share this story from the duh files. 202 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:37.200 There's UCLA survey. Oddly enough, the quality of life rating is the 203 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:42.119 lowest ever for La County residents. And this is an annual survey that measures 204 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:48.920 the quality of life satisfaction and it found that the San Fernando Valley residents have 205 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:53.319 the lowest satisfaction in the last nine years, and satisfaction is the lowest ever 206 00:17:53.960 --> 00:18:00.519 for residents across La County. County wide, residents are, according to the 207 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:06.640 survey, concerned about the high cost of living and housing and the survey was 208 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:12.160 released back on April seventeenth. The survey polled almost seventeen hundred La County residents 209 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:18.200 back in February and March on forty different aspects of life, including cost of 210 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.200 living, education, environment, and public safety. The poll was part of 211 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:29.079 the La Initiative at the UCLA Luskin School of Public Affairs, which has measured 212 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.759 LA County residents' quality of life satisfaction for the past eight years since twenty sixteen. 213 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:38.119 Zev Yaroslavsky, the dress director of the study at UCLA, said, 214 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:42.720 quote, we have two societies here in LA. We have an incredible income 215 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:49.559 gap and wealth gap inequities from A to Z close. Quote. I find 216 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:56.079 that odd, if only because that wealth gap has always been there. I'm 217 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.720 not so sure that it has really extended, given that we went through a 218 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:10.200 pandemic, given that we had a real estate crash in the past fifteen years 219 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:15.319 or so. I don't know if that income gap is worse now than what 220 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:19.559 it was years ago. But I think we all can agree that LA County 221 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.880 is as not as good as it could be or as it should be. 222 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.079 And before I want to go to this next break, I want to bring 223 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:32.279 into the conversation Tiffany Hobbs, who just got here at the studio. She 224 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.559 usually comes on for the viral load at nine o'clock, but of course, 225 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:41.279 because of what's been happening around Los Angeles and Tiffany, since you are a 226 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.359 USC grad, I thought again it'd be good to get your thoughts. You've 227 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.759 been watching what has been happening on UCLA's campus. You see the law enforcement 228 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:55.680 presence. Is there anything that you can pick out from what you've seen that 229 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:59.440 maybe I haven't touched upon? You know, Mo, You've covered it very 230 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:03.720 extensive and comprehensively, and I want to thank you for that because you've been 231 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:11.440 transparent. What I've noticed is that again, the generalities within these protests really 232 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:18.839 set themselves up for a lack of accomplishment. These seven point plans, these 233 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.759 demands that the organizations that are said to be linked to students but not confirmed 234 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:30.880 as necessarily being fully comprised of students, are practically impossible, if not fully 235 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:36.200 impossible, to meet. And I think that that's deliberate. It's gotten really 236 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:42.599 far away from the core of what these protests started as, which essentially on 237 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:48.680 SE's campus, were of course, to highlight the fact that Asna to Bossom 238 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:55.400 was removed as commencement speaker in the last week. Since April twenty fourth, 239 00:20:55.440 --> 00:21:00.519 when the first real media coverage of these protests started on SE's campus, we 240 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:07.079 have not heard much of anything about Asna to Bossom. She's been completely lost 241 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.119 in this conversation. And I think that that's deliberate as well. They're deliberate 242 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.799 on a part of home delivered on the part of the university, on the 243 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:19.000 part of the University of Southern California, specifically my alma mater, which I 244 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:26.759 believe is allowing essentially these bad actors, these groups to continue to take up 245 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:32.359 space, had allowed in the take up space for so many days when they 246 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:37.079 could have probably shut that down a lot quicker, a lot earlier. Hey, 247 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:40.920 Kiffy, let me jump in that. Are you saying or suggesting that 248 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:47.799 the university allowed some of these bad actors access to in effect delegitimize the protests 249 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:51.559 on a larger level. I do. I believe that that's exactly what's happening. 250 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:56.240 And to meet the demands of the core group the initial protest, which 251 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:03.279 was to reinstate Asna to Bossom as speaker. Those demands were were logical, 252 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.240 they could be met. They came with and continue to come with a lot 253 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:14.079 of consequences a lot of controversy, but they could be met, whereas these 254 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:19.119 other groups have demands that will not be met, will never be met by 255 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:23.079 the university exactly. And so it feels very much like, hey, look 256 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:29.519 over here at this shiny thing, look over here at this and allow these 257 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.160 protests to balloon. And you have these groups and these splinter groups, these 258 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:40.359 divest from death coalitions popping up all around these campuses. And again, how 259 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:44.680 closely linked are they two students? Do they have a couple of students so 260 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:48.839 they can then claim, you know, the involvement by the university or the 261 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:56.400 bodies in the university, or are these completely comprised up outside individuals And watching 262 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.000 the coverage, what's being said by quite a few people on the ground is 263 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:06.880 that on social media as well, is that these members, these organizers are 264 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:11.799 not students. They are not students. They're on the campus, they're taking 265 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.960 up space. They may involve students, but they're not students in mad But 266 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:22.119 is that the university's fault, that the protesters haven't maintained control of their own 267 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.839 protests. I think so, But I again I believe that that's deliberate. 268 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:32.400 I think that you the universities. And this is assumption, but this is 269 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:36.000 based off of my experience. I believe that they're making space. They're allowing 270 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:41.319 space for that freedom of speech because that's regulated. Now that things have gotten 271 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.559 out of hand, as we're seeing, as we're expecting it to continue into 272 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:51.160 the evening, they're going to start shutting it down because now it's reflecting on 273 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:55.440 them as not having that control that they want to have. Hey, Tifery, 274 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:56.559 let me jump in there before we go to this break. There's something 275 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:02.799 that I've noticed, and maybe I've overlooked it, and segueing to UCLA for 276 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:06.519 a second, I have not heard, and this is in comparison to USC. 277 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.319 I have not heard that UCLA has locked down the campus in the same 278 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.880 way that USC has, in other words, made it virtually impossible for anyone 279 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:22.400 without a student ID to get on the campus or to leave, as what 280 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.920 students on SE's campus are saying, and that's part of that confusion that was 281 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.519 talked about in the last newsbreak. Students are not being able to leave. 282 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:36.839 They are on in a lockdown officially and not necessarily over the complete campus. 283 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:40.960 And I'm not saying that necessarily at UCLA. I can't expect it to happen 284 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:47.440 as these protests continue, because how irresponsible would it look of UCLA to not 285 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:52.039 have some sort of shelter in place procedure and stated when just across the city, 286 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:56.240 USC is doing that for the same thing, so it's in their best 287 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.920 interest to follow suit hopefully, But I have not heard that explicitly. We 288 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.160 heard that explicitly with Columbia they had a shelter in place order which was given 289 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:11.039 after NYPD moved in. I have not heard that relative to UCLA, So 290 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:14.920 we will look at that and see if that order has been given on a 291 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.759 campus university level. It's later with mo Kelly. If you're just tuning in. 292 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:23.000 We are following the unfolding events at UCLA and of course the other universities 293 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:29.480 around southern California, be it USC or UC Irvine, and seeing what may 294 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:34.240 happen on these campuses in light of the increased law enforcement presence, specifically on 295 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:40.799 the UCLA campus. An order of dispersal has been given for the campus of 296 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:45.480 UCLA in front of Royce Hall, and we're waiting to see what type of 297 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:49.599 response will be given by LAPD and also LA Sheriff's Department and other law enforcement 298 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:56.400 agencies which are on site for those individuals who do not disperse, So keep 299 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.920 it right here on KFI AM six forty. We will be following this story 300 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.599 and everything that comes along with it for the rest of the evening. You're 301 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:12.119 listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty Cami m 302 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.519 six forty years Later with mo Kelly Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. As 303 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:22.519 we continue to follow the events on UCLA's campus and USC's campus, regular commentator 304 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:29.279 Tiffany Hobbs USC alum also joins me and we have a USC update. Earlier, 305 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:34.200 I was saying that the Daily Trojan student journalists are giving minute by minute 306 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.440 updates of what is happening on the campus, and I'll give you a couple 307 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:44.079 of them right now. At seven twenty five pm, a DPS Department of 308 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:49.920 Public Safety officer told a Daily Trojan reporter who lives on campus that he is 309 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:55.000 not allowed to enter. That goes back, Tiffany to what you and I 310 00:26:55.039 --> 00:27:00.759 were saying about how we know that USC's campus has been and shut down as 311 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.720 far as people getting on and often it seems like it's very difficult for even 312 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:10.839 people who are students who live on campus to get back on campus, Whereas 313 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.720 I've not seen, read, or heard the same for UCLA. And given 314 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:21.759 there is this expanded law enforcement presence, how do you read both That USC 315 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:26.880 is locking out students, to which you made mention of last segment, but 316 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:33.119 we haven't heard of UCLA doing the same. I believe that USC's strategy is 317 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.559 born of this chaos. There have been so many people on campus who are 318 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:45.039 not explicitly linked to campus as faculty or student or in any other closely knitted 319 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:51.200 way. So to thwart any sort of confusion, you then lock down everything. 320 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.759 Can't come in, can't go out. Obviously that creates a huge problem 321 00:27:53.960 --> 00:28:00.000 for people who are associated with the campus. It's finals UCLA doesn't want to 322 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:04.720 be involved in this mess because it looks chaotic, it looks very disorganized. 323 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.640 So I will tifty. But we're already past that point. We have UCLA. 324 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.000 It's like, well, the chaos is already here. We have three 325 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:18.759 different law enforcement agencies on our campus right now with a disorder to disperse. 326 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:22.759 If anything that says that more chaos is coming, I would assume I think 327 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.319 so, Moen, But do you remember last week when this all kicked off, 328 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:34.799 LAPD really deferred to USC's Department of Public Safety DPS to handle and mitigate 329 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:40.359 what was happening on campus, and for the last week or so DPS has 330 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:47.000 been handling it. It continues to handle it as they've discussed internally, whereas 331 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:52.160 it looks to be that UCLA is really looking toward LAPD for the control for 332 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:57.799 that mitigation, and I think then they are letting it fall into LAPD's hands 333 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.759 so that it can be put under control, perhaps a lot faster, with 334 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:11.359 a lot less confusion. And I think the goal for UCLA is to eradicate 335 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:19.200 these protesters, to get rid of them as quickly and as calmly as possible. 336 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.599 I don't necessarily see that happening. We're seeing people standing up with bullhorns 337 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:29.839 saying that they will not be moved. So LAPD has a lot more involvement 338 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.640 in this one, and I think it will continue as the night goes on. 339 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:38.720 Great point the differentiation between what's happening on campus, who is responsible for 340 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:44.559 handling what's happening on campus at both USC and UCLA. One more USC update 341 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.480 before we go to the top of the hour news. It says and this 342 00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.039 is the daily trojan quote. Protesters posed with two painted banners as Anna Dami 343 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:57.480 Palastini, a song by Muhammad Asaf that has served as an anthem for the 344 00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:03.319 Palestinian cause, play from a set of speakers at the encampment. My first 345 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:08.160 takeaway is that, Okay, there is still an encampment presence on the campus 346 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:14.079 of USC, and I'm not exactly sure why or what is being done relative 347 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:18.039 to these new air quotes encampments on the campus. Do you know anything about 348 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:23.880 that? I do. USC's Divest From Death Coalition had their second meeting with 349 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.720 President Jody I forget her last excuse me, Carol Foult, Carol Fault, 350 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:36.440 President Fault at USC yesterday and during that meeting, they attempted to negotiate Fault 351 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:42.119 and the encampment organizers is Divests from Death Coalition about their terms, and the 352 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:47.839 terms were not met. They wanted to know the group wanted to know endowment 353 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:52.440 disclosure and other things that President Fault wasn't willing to disclose, and they said 354 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:57.559 that they were going to keep their encampment. There's it's it's definitely a game 355 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:03.359 of chess. It is. It is very organized and they're waiting this out 356 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:10.119 the organizers because graduation is next week. They are wanting to disrupt graduation. 357 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:15.880 They're being very quiet about it, but on campus there is a lot of 358 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.799 anxiety about what they're going to do next. Well, we will watch what 359 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:25.400 happens not only tonight at UCLA but tomorrow, as it were with usc it's 360 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:30.119 KFI AM six forty. We're continuing to monitor all of these various protests around 361 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.960 the city and on various campuses in the Southland, and we're watching what may 362 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:41.519 happen at UCLA as there is an expanded law enforcement presence on the campus and 363 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.920 which has already offered an order of dispersal. So we will watch very closely 364 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.000 what happens at UCLA k if I AM six forty. We're live everywhere on 365 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:57.279 the iHeartRadio app Opinion Without the Breach, kf IM, KOST HD two Los 366 00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.880 Angeles, Orange County lot, everywhere on the Aggart Radio