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White contest and that's lucky to two
hundred and two hundred. I'm Billy Cunningham,

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the Great America and all over the
nation. There's efforts to regiment thinking

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and academic work. There's one way
of looking at things. There's not two

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or three or four. Many times
you might hear an argument. I know

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when I did a lot of appell
at work, I would hear an argument

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on one side, and then I
would hear the argument on the other side,

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and I made me to reconsider my
first viewpoint and whether it's Stanford College

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of Law that has circuit court judges
being shouted down, or a commencement speaker

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an NYU College of Law that referred
to Jews as mass murderers and mass exterminators

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of the Palestinian people. Many times
on law school and college campuses, like

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in the University of Cincinnati where a
female study student referred to women as biologically

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female and she was given a zero
because that was perceived as being hate speech.

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Another story is percolating involving Professor Scott
Gerber at Ohio Northern University He's written

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that he's objected publicly as the vice
chair of the University Council, an elected

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faculty governan's body, and in newspaper
ads and on television to d EI efforts

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that don't include viewpoint diversity and would
lead to a legal discrimination and employment.

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And the same week he was let
out of his classroom by police, he

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published an op ed defending Justice Clarence
Thomas right to have friends, even rich

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ones. Joining me now is that
same professor Scott Gerber and Scott Gerber welcome

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for the first time to the Bill
Cunningham Show. And first of all,

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can you relate to the American people
what happened to you about one o'clock on

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Friday, April the fourteenth at Ohio
Northern University. What happened? I was

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teaching my constitutional law class, and
just as we were wrapping up the campus

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here, multiple campus security come down
to the front of the room where I

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was and whisper into my ear something
to the effect of your respected member of

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the community, please follow us quietly
to the Dean's office. And so I

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had to walk through my students who
were in the aisle and essentially do a

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perp walk and out in the hallway
at the you know, right at the

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door, and then that escorted me
to the Dean's office were armed town police.

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And so then when I got in
to the Dean's office, you know,

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a multiple campus security and armtown police
were guarding the doors in the dean's

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suite. And I was presented with
a piece of paper that said that I

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had seven days to decide whether to
resign and release any legal claims I might

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have against the university, or the
dean would commence the dismissal proceedings against me.

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And of course, since I'm over
forty, by law, I'm required

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to have twenty one days, not
seven, and so, but what their

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objective was, in my opinion,
was just to humiliate me and frighten me

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into signing a document that was illegal
for them to ask me to sign.

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So I would just go away quietly
and wouldn't be able to push back against

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any of these programs that I thought
had drifted into illegality. Professor Gerber,

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I've sat in many law classes for
many years. It took me four years

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to get out of the University of
Toledo because I was a bailiff at during

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the day eight to four, went
to law school at night six to ten.

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Took me four years inside the classrooms
at Toledo, and I'm sure the

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case is Ohio Northern. The college, the law school professor is respected.

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You've been there more than twenty years, you have tenure, and I think

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you sound to me like you maybe
in your six fifties or sixties. You've

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been around a little bit. And
so have you ever heard of armed police

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officers in the middle of a class
walk in and perp walk the law professor

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through his class into the dean's office. How unusual is that? I've never

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heard of it in my law fact, the reason I think, or one

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of the reasons that my story is
getting so much attention, is because of

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how outrageously extreme it was to have
the police involved in this is just way

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way over the line to interrupt my
students like this. There were still three

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weeks of classes left in final exams, and I was banished. I couldn't

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even finish the semester, you know, I couldn't go to commencement, none

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of that stuff. And to this
day I don't have any specifics about what

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they say I've done wrong, because
I haven't done anything wrong. Well,

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I only objected to things that I
I thought were illegal, which I'm allowed

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by law to do. As you
know, since you're a lawyer, d

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EI efforts you believe in viewpoint diversity. Colleges and law schools today do not

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generally believe in viewpoint diversity. What
they call it as hate speech. Had

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you done what activities had you committed
previous to that April fourteenth day that showed

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your support for viewpoint diversity that may
have angered the administration Ohio Northern. What

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did you written about Clarence Thomas?
What are you written about d EI?

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What are you'd written in the past
that caused this to happen? Okay,

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Well, the same week that I
was escorted out, I was escorted out

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on a Friday, April fourteenth.
That Monday, I wrote an op ed

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in The Hill defending Clarence Thomas's right
to have friends, including rich Ones.

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The week four before that, I
did my monthly TV segment on the local

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NBC News and we talked about Senate
Bill eighty three on Ohio, which is

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the anti woke bill, and I
pointed out that there were some good things

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in the bill, including the fact
that they were just reminding colleges and universities

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that they couldn't violate the law at
institutions of higher education in hiring and student

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admissions. The week before that,
I published an op ed in the National

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newspaper and then also an Ohio newspaper. In fact, the Ohio paper was

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your own Cincinnati Enquirer making the same
point. And then earlier in the semester,

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as vice chair of the council,
I politely raised my hand after our

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chief diversity officer had made her report
to council and asked her to please remember

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to also address viewpoint diversity, and
that didn't go over well. And then

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in the past, you know,
I had objected to actually hiring processes in

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the law school that we're excluding qualified
white men as finalists. We had one

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where we had six finalists and not
one of them was a white male,

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and that's not a coincidence. And
I later learned that they were emphasizing race,

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gender, and ethnicity in the hiring
process, which is illegal. You're

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a lawyer, you know that you
cannot take race, gender, and ethnicity

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into account at all in hiring.
You can take it into account a little

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bit, and admissions, but even
that's going to go out the window at

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the end of this month when the
Supreme Court forbids it. I think so,

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But you know, as a I
did a lot of labor law work

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for High Civil Service Employee Association.
Sometimes there's a pretext firing, which is,

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well, this is a bad apple. This guy doesn't work well,

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he doesn't show up for his classes
to teach. He's got a few arrest

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in his background. He's charged with
domestic violence. This guy's passing bad chat,

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that kind of stuff. Is there
anything in Professor Scott Gerber's background that

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would indicate that you engage in some
behavior other than believing in diversity of thought

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that would have caused this pretext firing? There is not. I'm ali.

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I worked very hard. I wake
up early to prepare my classes, I

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go to bed early, and in
between I'm working on my writing. I

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stay away from people that have made
it clear to me that they don't like

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me because they don't share my commitment
to viewpoint diversity, and that also it

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seems like a little bit jealous of
my writing because I publish a lot,

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and you know, I'm so,
I go out of my way to stay

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away from them. So I have
done nothing, nothing, and in fact,

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you know, the basis for this
dismissal is collegially that's not even listed

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in the faculty handbook as it rounds. Were dismissing someone, especially someone who

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has won the Best Teacher of the
award recently, who has published more than

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anyone in the history of the university, and who does it good and important

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service, including fifteen years in counting
as a member of the Ohio Advisory Committee

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to the US Commission on Civil Rights, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So

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I haven't done anything. I'm a
very boring person, except when I have

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to defend myself against things like this. You know, my hobbies are I

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go out and have a pizza occasionally
or maybe some wings, and I like,

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um, you know, sports,
and so I'll watch sports and stuff

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like that. But I keep to
myself. Well as far as that,

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well, what impact did this have
on your students? As their professor was

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let out by armed guards and police. What impact did it have on them?

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Did it it has the I think
the viewpoint of maybe stilling those who

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may have similar you points from expressing
them. It's rather frosty. What impact

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did it have? On your students
as their beloved professors led out by armed

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guards. Well when when the campus
security officer was whispering into my ear,

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I lifted my eyes to the to
the class, and the students looked confused

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and scared, and so of course
I was confused and scared. But then

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I was banished from the campus that
you know, that day, right after

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I met with the dean, so
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You know, I happened to run
into a couple of them on the

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you know, in town while I
was taking a walk or going to the

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bank or something like that, and
they were upset by it. And I've

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been defamed, you know. That's
the other part of this, and that's

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one reason that they did it.
They wanted to poison the campus against me

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by making people think there was like
an active shooter on the campus, or

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you know, making it seem like
I was a monster. And there was

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even an article in the student newspaper
that painted it that way that students had

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no idea what was going on,
and the administration was, you know,

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locking down the law school and treating
it like an active shooter. Grill Professor,

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I would think I would. I
would think you're like a non person.

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I can recall what happened in the
old Soviet Union or communist right China

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that if someone doesn't think correctly,
you become a non person, you don't

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exist. Yeah. No, it's
I'm naive, or I was naive enough

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to think that, given the fact
that I had tenure in my record is

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just so strong. And I don't
want to sound like I'm ragging, but

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it's it's really strong. In fact, this summer, I'm finishing reviewing the

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page proofs for my tenth book that
one of the great university presses in the

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world is publishing. I could actually
exercise my free speech rights and the best

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interest of the universting and just point
out that you cannot push these programs to

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the point of illegality, and you
cannot forget that the most important thing about

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higher education is that you expose students
to computing viewpoints about certain thing. I

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was naive to think I could do
that. But I'm not allowed to do

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that, and they're trying to ruin
my life because of it. That's it.

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I kind of think I can see
how this is playing out. From

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Ohio Northern university. They're thinking,
Okay, this guy's going to sign off

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will put them under a lot of
pressure. Here's the separation agreement, in

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which you give up all your rights
to sue whatever under various illegalities committed by

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a higher northern And here's some money. Here's a check, and Scott Gerber,

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here's the payoff. Here's the forty
shekels that we're going to push your

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way and we're going to pay you
one or two years of salary. Know

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your role, shut your mouth and
go away. Have you considered signing the

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separation agreement and getting paid to get
rid of your to get rid of your

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rights and the ability to sue,
because that money is going to be pushed

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your side of the table and you
got to sign them all away. Will

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you do that? Oh no,
I already decline to sign it. I

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mean this is I'm not in it
for money. If my life was about

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making money, I would have stayed
a lawyer and I could have made a

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lot of money. We don't get
paid very well. And my father was

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a college professor. And I always
loved ideas. I love what I do.

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I love working with the students,
I love writing about ideas. I

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love going to other universities and you
know, sharing my research and things like

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that. I love talking to community
groups about my ideas, and so I'm

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actually an ideal person to be a
faculty member. And they're trying to literally

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end my career period. And if
they if they get away with this,

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there's no other college that's going to
hire me. No, so my career

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is over. And you're right,
I'm I'm not a spring chicken anymore,

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and so this is it. So
Luckily for me, I have lawyers that

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are helping me, and you know, a friend of mine started to go

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fund me page for me to kind
of help me raise money for that,

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because the university has a lot deeper
pockets than me. And you can rest

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assured that the dean's legal fees are
going to be paid by the university,

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not out of his own pocket.
And they just hope that people that they

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mistreat like me will go bankrupt fighting
him and then give up. Well,

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I've contacted Bill Sites, he's the
House Majority leader. He's aware. There's

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a story on Fox News also Wall
Street Journal about this and about a few

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point discrimination. And you're rather naive
to think that a person should be judged

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by the quality of their academic credentials
and their pursuits and their thinking as opposed

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to skin color. But when you
say white men should be treated equally to

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other individuals, that it's wrong racially
to exclude someone based upon skin color,

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that to me is basic American principles
of fairness. But many, I think

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most colleges, universities, especially law
schools, that doesn't apply anymore. And

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it's sad. But once again the
go fund me page you can google Scott

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Gerber Legal Fund Scott Gerber Legal Fund
to assist and professor. I'd love I'd

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love to have been back in time. I had a great professor named ron

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rate our Ai t t. He
was eclectic and he was strong. He

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was great. When I think of
people like you, I think of all

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the law school professors that are teaching
the lawyers in the future. Do not

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bend over and take one for the
team. Do not sell your rights for

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money, and that in your fight
today will be our fight tomorrow. And

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I wish you nothing but the best, Scott Gerber. And what final comment

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would you like to make to the
American people, Well, I just want

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to thank you for that. I
want people judged on the merits. That's

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what I want. I want people
to, you know, work hard and

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if someone has more talent than me
or works harder than me, they should

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prevail. But if I work harder
and I have more talent, I shouldn't

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have my career ruin just because I
think for myself and don't go along with

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what I consider to be illegal hiring
and admissions practices. Scott, Professor,

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if you lose this case, and
if you sign away your rights, which

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appear to be unlikely, and if
you if you don't pursue this case,

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there'll be other Scott Gerber's all around
the Midwest in the world that's gonna be

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subjected to the same things that you've
gone through. Your fight today will be

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our fight tomorrow. And I wish
you and yours nothing but the best.

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Thank you, professor, Well,
thank you very much, and enjoy the

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rest of the day. God bless
America. Thank you. Let's continue with

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more. There it is go fund
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