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Welcome to Sword and Scale Rewind with
your hosts Matt Fondelier and Ian Bag.

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Hey, what's up, everybody,
We're back with another episode of Sword in

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Scale Rewind. Just mixing up these
intros every time. I don't even know

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what I'm gonna say. My name
is Matt Fondelier. I'm one of the

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hosts of the show, joined once
again by the co host of Enjoying Orange

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Slices with Jeff and Ian You know, if he likes orange slices, he's

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gonna be ready to talk about murder. Those things just go hand in hand.

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Iatan Bag, welcome back. Hey, yeah, that's the Italian show.

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Hey yeah, yeah, it's an
Italian family that gets involved in this

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one. That's maybe that's why I
was possessed by the spirits of the Cypriani

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family. That is Italian, right, I'm guessing that's hope, So maybe

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check they might be check. No, I think it's Italian. D What

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do you do do the murder?
Well, they're not Canadian, so you're

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off the hook for this. I
know. My god. Last last week

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was very My family called me up. They're like, yeah, can you

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tell them not to do any more? Canadian murders. People starting to write

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us letters. I'm like, sorry, mom, I can't. We have

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to talk about the murder. We
have to talk about the murder. YEP,

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that's what we do on the show. By the way, we talk

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about the murder that was told to
you in great detail on an episode of

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Sword and Scale, in this case
episode one sixty three. That's what we're

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going to be focusing on. Sixty
three episodes. That's pretty crazy. Yeah,

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episodes and still going strong. I
think on the main feed as you're

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listening to this, they're well passed
two hundred. Yeah. I can't even

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say how many there are. That's
how many. And that's just on the

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main feed. There's over a hundred
on the Plus feed. Now I know

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what's the Plus above. I was
gonna say, a couple weeks ago,

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I told you guys about the Della
Millard two parter and that you had to

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subscribe to Plus if you want to
hear a part two. So obviously you've

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all already done that. Sell involved
ask as or grass people, nobody were

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ads are free. That's right.
There are over one hundred more episodes on

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Sword and Scale Plus that are all
they're the same quality of shows. There's

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nothing different about them. They're all
written with the same care and attention to

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detail as the ones that you get
to hear for free. So if you've

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caught up on the show and you
want to hear one hundred, literally one

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hundred more stories that you've never heard
before, one hundred more people were murdered

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that you didn't even know about it. And if people are like, if

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you're thinking, where's where's Michael Boudet
today? Why isn't he on the show?

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It's because he's got that many episodes
to put out. He just can't

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join us every time. Yeah,
it's a treat when he drops by to

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do the show. It's going to
hero again, but it's a treat.

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It's a treat when he drops by. And when I say, it's fun

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when he doesn't because we get to
be more relaxed because he could fire us

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at any time. But you're assuming
he doesn't listen to this and he's hearing

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the ones that were that he's not
on. Mike, I will not bring

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up the fact you only have one
testicle again. We'll hopefully have Mike be

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day on soon, but in the
meantime, we mess him we shall,

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Mike, we shall continue keep working
hard. Mike, You and the cats.

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Let's talk about the cats and the
ducks. Don't forget the ducks.

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Support cats and the ducks and the
sill of the moon. Let's go.

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We're already off the rails. We've
barely even started yet even mentioned. If

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this is your first time listening to
the show, you might know that.

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Yeah, first of all, we
apologize, and second of all, this

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is the after show. We're just
talking about our reactions. If you really

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want to hear the facts of the
case, just re listen to the original

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sword in scale. And if you
want to hear our take on all these

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crazy people, well that's what this
show. We try to work some things

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out that we did did not understand
on the show. We we we judge

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the people that were involved. Ye, we don't judge the victim unless you're

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I try not to, but we
just we just have a nice conversation,

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a nice conversation about murder. Well
it's funny that you say that, because

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the top of this episode, in
Mike's opening narration, he talks about how

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this story is like it's beautiful,
it's a beautiful ending, And I just

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thought there's no beautiful episode. Not
beautiful. He's terrible. He's painting a

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weird picture. Um, you know
what's weird about this is my wife and

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I have actually talked recently about adopting
a child. Oh really yes, so

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yeah, so you got book.
Let's hear about it. It's not happening

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now after hearing this one, I'll
tell you that much. You're yeah,

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she was really pushing for it,
and you were like, let me just

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show you that this is one sixty
three here. May not want to do

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that. We can't afford it.
We can't afford to be murdered. This

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really is the like nightmare horror movie
adoption story. Like this is the reason

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that you don't do it, like
it's so bizarre. I mean, I

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know I watch a lot more horror
movies than you do, because you don't

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like watching horror movies. But there's
a movie called Orphin. Hear her to

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Orphan. I know I haven't want
said about that. They adopt this little

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girl and then people start getting murdered
and then spoiler, big spoiler. If

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you've never seen Orphan, stop listening
right now. But if you don't care,

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the little girl turns out she's actually
an older woman who has no weird

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physical thing that makes her look like
a little girl, but she's in fact

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like an assassin. There's been a
couple of those happened recently. Not murder,

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but there was a lady that was
going to school. She had that

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disease where she looked younger. She's
thirty six or something. She was going

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to a like grade nine or something
like that. Yeah. Well, they

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try to make a movie with Robin
Williams many years ago called Jack, which

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was about that same thing. He's
like a or maybe that was the reverse

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one. He's a little boy who
looked like an old man. Remember that

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one? Remember that it was really
bad? I want to know that.

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Apparently there's there's a movie and I
can't remember who it is, but he

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plays a midget. Do you know
who I'm talking about? You're talking about

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Gary Oldman. Yes, a movie
called Tiptoes. The trailer is a hilarious

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viral video. Really yeah, Oh
yeah it's Did the movie come out?

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Oh yeah, it's a real movie. Is it? Is it like a

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cult hit like that? I've just
never heard of. I gotta find it.

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Yeah, I wonder if Netflix has
it. I'm not on Netflix,

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but you could find it if you
if you look hard enough. They protest

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a lot of things to Netflix.
All their little employees would be walking out.

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But let's let's talk about let's move
on's quickly quickly moved from that.

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I want to hear more about this
adoption thing though. So you guys were

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just interested in adopting a child,
just like No, we just talked about

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No, we just talked about a
little bit because you know, oh,

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I, we're at a certain age
where you go, you make a decision

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where we're going to have children?
Do we do? We do we adopt

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a child that needs to be adopted? U My word. My wife is

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an occupational in occupational therapy, so
she deals with kids all the time.

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So I'm guessing that has not made
her biological clock go crazy. Sure,

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And she also, you know,
she works with kids that have difficulties,

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so she doesn't see a lot of
normal kids. And then she comes home

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to me and now she doesn't want
to breathe with this. Yea, she

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does not want this is the end
of the line of this. So so

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you know, and and then and
then everything that's going on, well,

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children be able to breathe anymore.
It's true, so an odd time.

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And then and then you go,
well, do we want to have kids?

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Well, if maybe we have kids, they are already out there and

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help them become great people. And
then and then there's this story and you're

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like, yeah, my wife and
I have talked about that as well,

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the idea of adopting kids. And
I said that both of us, in

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our jobs, we tend to clean
up other people's messes. That's a lot.

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Now in this case, I'm not
literally talking about cleaning up Adam Crowl's

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poop or anything like that. I'm
going to get on the table and take

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a shit. But you know,
when you're running helping to run a business

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every day, a lot of stuff
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out fire, so to speak.
Right, And my wife does the same

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thing with her job, and so
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adopting a kid is kind of like
helping clean up somebody else, somebody else's

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mess. Yeah, you know,
And it's a weird way to look at

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it, but that was the thing
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would be natural at this because we're
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that may not be ideal and try
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from it. So I think anybody
who adopts it's very notable of them.

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I think, I think like incredible. I think the big thing is that

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I always hear from friends that have
been adopted, did and stuff like you

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always you always, they always,
no matter what how great their family is,

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they always want to know why the
other people didn't want Yeah, and

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that's hard. I had that to
somebody, but they don't know who you

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are, they don't know. They
didn't not want you. Yeah, they

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didn't. They didn't want the situation. And I don't know how you get

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that to a person's mind. Yeah
you know, because how do you tell

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that to like a five year old? Yeah you know, you know why

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didn't they want me? Then?
I don't want you. That didn't they

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didn't want to be parents. They
didn't they didn't want you. They didn't

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even fucking know you. Okay,
little shit, no good back upstairs.

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I don't want you because of you, But I can't give you back because

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we signed the papers that made that
might have been if that had been said

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to this kid, maybe and then
he would be normal because he was turned

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out nobody wanted him because he was
a piece of shit. He was.

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Yeah, Now there's also this sort
of added weird. I don't know if

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it's weird, just the added Uh, I'll just call it like a level

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of confusion. Also not the right
phrase. I'm I'm having a hard time

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finding the words for it. But
this idea that they adopted the kid and

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then they went on to have biological
children, I excuse me, so so

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in that and I listened to it
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they were able to have children,
right, That's what I gathered. Okay,

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that's sort of what I thought.
And then you know, things,

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things happen and suddenly you can have
kids, right, Um, And so

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the the sort of like am I
part of this family? You know?

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These aren't my real brothers? Like
all of that starts to creep into this

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guy's mind and he starts to sort
of isolate himself from the family. I

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mean, I know he's having some
doesn't seeminal issues too, but it doesn't

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ever seem like the family does it
to him? No, But you know,

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they they put in the episode that
you know, he was five foot

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seven and his twin brothers were like
the six foot one athletes, and they

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don't necessarily need to be like jock
bullies to their adopted brother to not have

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the adopted brother like literally looking up
at these star athletes and not seeing himself

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in there. But that happens in
families that are are all like DNA swapped.

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Yeah, it's it's it happens.
You know, sometimes you have a

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younger brother that's bigger than you.
Right, I wouldn't know because I come

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from a fantastic family where I was
the best one. I forgot how many

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brothers sisters do you? I just
have a sister. She's younger. I

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usually tell people I'm an only child, but it's nice. That pisses off

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my sister. Yeah, how many
years between you and your sister? Five?

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No, my sister and I are
about five years abart. Are you

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guys closed? Yeah? Yeah,
definitely. I was just cat sitting for

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her. I was telling you a
couple weeks ago, crazy fucking cat.

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I had to deal with you,
poor man. You're such a You're such

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a good person. You know what
you want to have. I always use

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my sister. She used to have
a cat and as her Lesbiana. Um,

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all right, so this part I
thought it was interesting. You tell

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me if your brain went here as
well. So they get this adopted kid

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and they name him Tanner. Then
they have twin boys and they name him

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Tucker. And my guess is they
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but because they already had a Tanner, they had to change the other twins

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name. So now it's Tucker and
Sam I don't know, or Salvator Salvatory

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which has a t in it?
Right? I just again in my never

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ending quest to uh, to fucking
blame victims and whatnot? Right, you

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can't name your kids questions to blame
victim, you know, Tucker and Tanner.

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I'm surprised the little girl's name isn't
Tammy. It's too much, just

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too much for anyone to take.
Well. I went the other way.

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I was like, why is the
one kid Salve Tory? Like, why

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is the one kid got all the
Italian in them and the other one?

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The other ones are Whitey McGee and
Whitey magoo. You know, So that's

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why I would are you one the
other way? You're like, shut up

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your weirdos. My friends have a
Tucker in a Tanner. Yeah. Oh,

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reality Yeah, they've got five boys. Toby, No, Tucker,

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Toby. Uh. And that's another
There's there's four of them. There's another

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one. You know, if you
go to West Hollywood, you can get

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a Tucker in a Tanner anytime you
won. And it depends the further you

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go down the street. It might
you might be thinking, might getting me

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from one's a different person, It
might not be the same Sextually, I

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think you're getting it from all right. So this episode in my brain from

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my memories of listening to it when
it was first released many many years ago,

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this isn't one of yours, it's
not one of mine. Um,

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but this, in my brain was
the episode with the craziest nine one one

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call of t There were parts of
this story Papa be live today if that

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woman wasn't on that. Yes,
it is one of the most infuriating and

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also intense nine one one calls to
ever come out of Sword and Scale.

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Again, I did not remember this
entire episode, but as soon as it

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started, I was like, oh, this is the one with that crazy

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nine one one call. She was
horrible, where you got the twin brother

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hiding in the closet trying to be
as quiet as possible, because the killers

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are still in the house. And
yes, now I did in the house.

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I've of course had to pull multiple
I can't understand you. I had

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a house this horrible woman. Um, do you mind if we start playing

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some of these and kind of pick
some of them. Let's let's let's let's

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let's let's start where she should be
fired? Well, why her answering?

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Here's one. This happens a little
bit later. But I would argue that

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this might be the moment of the
most of her inability to do her job

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properly. I thought they must have
called at five fifty five and she got

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off at six. That it makes
sense. It was. It was so

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bad. So here's the horrible advice
that Suzanne, can you take one more

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call? Wow? Fuck? What's
the worst that could happen? Right?

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All right? So here's this nine
one one woman's terrible advice to this poor

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kid. Okay, what is your
brother's name? What great? They'll be

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last ballot? Huh uh huh Okay, And you don't want to go out

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and make sure your parents are okay? Noo, okay, sure, no,

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I mean, can you hear anything? I mean, Okay, what

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did they do it. They're just
talking now, so it okay. Her

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advice for him to go outside and
check to see if the parents are okay.

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She's just not getting this at all. Well even worse, when't go,

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he goes, should I? No? Yeah? No, dummy?

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Would you who so weird? So
that happens A spell your name like I'm

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in the middle of being murdered?
Could you do me a favorite? Can

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you check your Social Security number in
your last name? Like? Well?

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And what what happens earlier in the
call? I know I should have played

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the earlier clip first, that would
have made more sense, But I'm gonna

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play that one now instead, which
is you can hear this pandemonium happening in

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the background, like she should immediately
have her ears perked up and know that

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some crazy shit is going down on
the other side of that line. Can

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I go back a little further?
Yeah, when she says, what's your

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address? What I need your address? Um, that's because he was on

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a cell phone, right, Yeah, so didn't they change that? Um?

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So your cell phone reads the number
the address reads on a nine one

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one call. Now interesting like a
geolocation sounds I hope so because I felt

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like that slowed down the situation as
well, and then she was mad at

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his service, right are you on
at and T Well this I'm want to

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play this clip right here. This
is great because she called or he called

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the nine one one, and then
I guess his cell signal dropped or his

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phone died or something. And then
she calls him back, but he has

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one of those quote unquote funny answering
machines where I don't know if you ever

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did this, but when I was
fifteen years old and got like a phone

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for the first time, my voicemail
is me going hello, uh huh.

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Actually you're talking to my voicemail right
now. Now. I don't know if

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you picked up up on this,
but that's what happens in this episode.

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I'm gonna play this right. I
could not pick up on that. Check

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this out. She is now going
to call him back, and it's going

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to go to his voicemail, but
his voicemail is him going yeah, uh

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huh, okay, just leave a
message, and then she fucking hangs up

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the phone and then there's another call
back. All right, listen for that.

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Here we go hello hello, All
right, Now she's gonna call him

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back Hello, So nine one one
out, braider, do you need help?

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Good? Hurting me? I can't
understand you. Do you need help?

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Don't hang out a tone? Please
record your mething. So she was

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listening, So now she hangs up, and now she's gonna call back,

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and now you're gonna hear her.
Well, I look back five zero too?

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What did he heard you? In? Hello? Going on there?

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Do you hear what I'm talking about? Now? It's sucking of all of

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the voicemails to get because you can
hear when it's crazy when it's actually him

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on the phone. But that I'm
telling you, that is him going uh

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huh yeah, just leave a message, and then it goes to the voicemail.

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That's fine, that's funny, that's
really funny. But that when she

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calls back and she's mad at him, Yeah, that's going on there.

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I mean, excuse me, sir, this is nine one one. We

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take things very seriously. Do you
know what she what she punished? She

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was not. They said something that
she filed the call as a like family

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domestic, domestic disturbance or something like
that. But no, as far as

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I know, she's not in trouble. She should have been punished for that,

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like, there there, that's a
that's a bad nine one one operator.

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Yeah. Now, tell me if
you had this experience, because you've

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said before that when you when we're
listening to these episodes, a lot of

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times, you're just listening to it
just as any listener would. You don't

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know the story or anything. That
was certainly the case for this episode.

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For me the same thing. I
was under the impression from the opening description

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of the events that everybody died except
for the little girl and one of the

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twin brothers. But as far as
I could tell, everybody who was attacked

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with a bat that night, meaning
meaning the father, the mother, and

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the other twin brother, I thought
all three of them had perished. And

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then we find out that, you
know, two of them are may as

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well be dead. They're so fucked
up now. But I don't know if

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you had that, But I towards
the end of the episode, I was

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suddenly like, oh, wait Rose
is still alive. I thought she very

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confused. Every couple a couple of
times there, I thought everyone was dead

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except for the girl, and then
I was like, oh, the one

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the one brother survived and not the
other other brother, and the dad,

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but the mom had survived. Yeah, and then I was like, oh

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mom and dad and the brother died. And then at the end and then

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at the end it was mom and
brother were a mess. Yeah, Um,

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dad was dead, daughter was not
attacked, brother survived the attack quite

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well. Yeah. So yeah,
because that added for me, added to

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the stress of that nine one one
call, was I had was thinking that

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this was the brother, that maybe
he he does get pulled out of the

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closet or something, because this operator
is just being so loud that yeah,

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I thought that was going to happen. Yeah. Yeah, they never found

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him though they never there somehow never
found him. Yeah. That but the

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idea that they were And I do
have a third clip. We don't necessarily

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need to play it, but my
third partnerature where they're okay, let's do

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it. Let's we got time to
kill um. This is speaking of killing

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Ted. This is more than nine
one one call where and this to me

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is the scariest part. That's why
I pulled this clip because this is like

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this early terrifying to me, where
you can just hear his breathing, his

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breathing, his voice shaking, and
he's like they're in the room right now.

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I remember that, Like, just
do you hearing the you could hear

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the fight or flight in him?
Yeah? You didn't, you like yours?

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Like is he gonna run out like
they're You're just like he's just gonna

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run out of there trying to get
out of there, which happens in a

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lot of these stories. She wasn't
calming him down at all. She was

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she was just making the situation worse. Well, let's hear it. It's

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a little bit long, but it's
really just it's ninety five minutes. It

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shows only fifty. Yeah, it's
longer than the rest of the episode.

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We'll see you next week. No, it's not that long. But yeah,

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let's all be scared together, hold
me together. I let you know,

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Okay, let me know if police
you've made contact with your parents,

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who you feel sure enough to go
out, but you think he's still in

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the house. He didn't see you, okay, just came in his room.

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But he's tiding so that he can't
see him. Who was she talking

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new? Okay? Yeah, why
isn't she putting yourself on mute? I

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don't know, all right, Yeah, I don't know. He says he's

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in a quiet room. I honestly, I'm not certain of this, but

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I do wonder if it's just the
recorded line from the nine one one operators,

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because I've noticed in a lot of
episodes and also my own research,

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when you get nine one one calls, a lot of times you hear the

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you hear what happens before the phone's
even answered. You'll hear like a voice

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kind of as they take the call. You'll hear some chatter between officers that

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they're going to transfer the line.
So it's very possible that I would like,

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I would like to hear what the
cops were saying. It would have

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been interesting to me, Yeah,
like whether they were rushing to get there,

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whether they're just taking their time,
because well, she asked about there.

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I think she says they're at the
door, and he says, go

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around to the back. The backslo
unlocked. They're so weird, you know.

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I think they got there relatively quick. I mean he's on the phone

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with her when they arrived quick enough
though, like you were able to run

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around the house and chase people and
stuff like that. Yeah, Well it

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doesn't help that they um, sorry, brain part, it doesn't help.

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Yeah, that's it. Doesn't help
stopping right there, it doesn't help.

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Yep. Uh the daughter, So
the dad goes down to see what the

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hell is going on. And by
the way, I love that they're like,

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I think we can get three grand. Yeah, what a fucking plan.

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That was just like you're you just
threw your life away for three grand.

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Yep. He missed the parole,
He missed his or not parole,

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his like probation meeting. So that
guy, the probation officer, he got,

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he got in trouble, he gotten
punished, right, yeah, because

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once again he just didn't do his
job. I would argue the operator,

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while she's terrible at her job,
she did what she was supposed to do.

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She did patch through emergency dispatch or
whatever, like no officers came to

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the scene. No, she was
bad at her job. She was at

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a job No, I guess.
So, I mean as opposed to her

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just hanging up on the dude.
Well, you can hear that. You've

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heard there's been episodes of like nine
one like call that just gets hung So

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this guy though, I'll talk to
a guy that orders a pizza all day,

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but it won't take like, oh
that might be that might be in

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trouble there. Yeah, but the
probation officer, he was straight up not

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doing his job. He likes.
Was he overwhelmed though, I couldn't tell

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if he was overwhelmed with he had
so much going like so many cases.

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I mean that one guy doesn't show
one guy doesn't show up, You're like,

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well, I can't I can't take
my day out of that, which

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I think happens a lot in that
business. It's just the idea of if

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he didn't show up, you have
to go look for him, and if

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he doesn't if you don't go look
for him, then you have to like

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file a piece of paperwork, like
you have to just acknowledge that something happened

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here. And this guy just didn't
do any of that stuff. I know

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a lot of people are bad at
their job. Yeah, that's that's one

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thing that's I mean, he should
be ashamed and sadly, how many times

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had he done that before nothing happened. Yeah, this is the story that

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you hear about because it was so
tragic. But I'm sure there's maybe instances

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of even like a domestic assault or
something that could have happened and been avoided

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if he would just do his fucking
job. Yeah, I don't. I

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don't get it, Like it doesn't
seem like the kind of job you would

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want to take unless you wanted to
help people. Yeah, it's it's interesting

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when you find people in those businesses
that are they don't have any care,

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you know what, They don't have
compassion because it's it's not the reward is

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doing your job. It's not a
financial rewarding job. Yeah, it's you

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know, your your middle middle income, maybe even lower most times. You

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know, maybe if you work enough
you can become higher, higher middle income,

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but yeah, why why of my
average income? So middle income?

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But if you're not, if you're
not getting the reward from doing your job

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and you still stay there, that's
when you become those a bitter asshole,

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right yeah, or just you know, get a different job where if you

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don't care about it, somebody doesn't
get their cheeseburger, you know, Like

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why is it always like these just
lazy people who are in such important positions,

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Like that's what's so maddening about it. Yeah, going to going to

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go into something there where it's not
going to hurt somebody sell beds. Yeah,

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um okay, so someone else about
this case that we have not really

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brought up yet, which is that
Tucker had a buddy helping him out,

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and this piece of shit's name was
Mitchell, and this we go back before

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Mitchell. Sure, let's go back, you know, let's go back to

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before this episode even started. Let's
start. Let's just go back in time.

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Gotta get back in Dame. Sorry
he was, he was los um.

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Let's talk about the lady that was
his mentor. Oh the all I

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thought it was Christina Hendricks from Madman. That turns out it's Christine Hendrick.

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Not really, It's funny. Yeah, this girl was quite a character too.

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What was the point of her?
I just I'm guessing that was probably

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like the friend that that this our
interview staff was able to speak with.

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It was, I just meant in
life, not in the show. She

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was just like, I know I
mentioned these kids, No you didn't.

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You were just a junkie like them
rats alls your Yeah. I would stay

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up to four am with them.
That's why they liked me. I'm like,

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no, make you the mentor.
Yeah, that doesn't make you mentor.

407
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I mean to make you one of
the losers is up at four am.

408
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:59.559
But ye blowing crack out your wicking
butthole, I just to sound out

409
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:02.480
to my just turned into my day. He probably, what's what's next,

410
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:08.319
my buddy, my buddy Tom stayed
he got he's a very funny comedian out

411
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:14.839
of England. But when he his
mom found cocaine in his in his in

412
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:21.319
his drawer once, what's next?
Pot? Wow? He was, he

413
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.759
was. He was a fast learner
anyways, and Tom straight and narrow and

414
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.160
he's a straight edge. There you
go, wink wink match man. Anyways,

415
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:38.000
but California sober. California's sober.
He's Gavin Newsom is sober. Um.

416
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:45.519
She was just she wasn't helping that
situation out. Now. The idea

417
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:52.279
that all of these teens would all
hang together in the shady motel, what

418
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.759
a description, What a description of
that place? Right? And you can

419
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.960
also the motel the poor motel manager
who it's like you kids, you damn

420
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.279
kids and your huge parties get off
my property. And then the next day

421
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.920
they like one room please, and
he's like, God, damn, I

422
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:08.559
need that money, right, I
really do. Maybe it's a lot of

423
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:12.200
like that kid that came in here
yesterday. He wasn't wearing a sombrero.

424
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:18.920
But I could swear almost like bugs
money exactly. Oh, no problem.

425
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:23.200
But if you were actually mentoring these
kids, they wouldn't be there. You

426
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.440
wouldn't be there. That's the change
of location right there. That just sounds

427
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.039
like a crack house. It sounds
like the place where every you know,

428
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:34.039
the place behind the school where everybody
goes, like they just had their own

429
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:41.240
hangout location. And the drug of
choice was maybe not the drug of choice

430
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:48.200
but something. This drug was just
terrifying K two or spice synthetic marijuana terrifying,

431
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.720
which I didn't even know because I'm
in California, where there's real marijuana,

432
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:57.640
but apparently Wobragger synthetic marijuana just chemicals
sprayed onto dried plants. Isn't that

433
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.359
when we remember when people are eating
people's faces off in Florida? Wasn't that

434
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:06.119
with that? Oh? Ian?
There is a sword and scale episode.

435
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.240
I love it. We did this
episode in my wie, I mean the

436
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.880
show before I ever worked for them. That is all about that the face

437
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:21.480
eater, which was with something called
salvia, which I think is a little

438
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.720
bit different than the K two,
but it's the same idea. You could

439
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.440
just buy this ship over the counter
right, um, that story is an

440
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:32.880
incredible story and was it for free
or do you have it's a free one?

441
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.400
And spoiler alert, all those headlines
were fucked up and wrong. And

442
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:42.799
that kid did not eat somebody's face
was on like salvia and stuff. That

443
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.680
did He did eat somebody's face,
right, he did. He had like

444
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:51.759
a psychotic break though. He just
had like a crazy probably from salvia right

445
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.160
his the like all of the tests
on him, there was no drugs or

446
00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.920
alcohol, I mean, like from
using it before. Probably i'd probably have

447
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:05.480
a snap, a little switch in
your brain. Yeah, I think I

448
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.240
actually told this story on that episode
when I did a rewind of it all

449
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.039
those years ago. But it's been
many years back in the day. But

450
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:19.519
I's right, I guess co host
roommate of mine who purchased some salvia from

451
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.640
the local grocery store because you could
literally buy it from a grocery store,

452
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:28.720
And we decided to try this at
my place and I took a hit of

453
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:30.839
it and I didn't feel anything at
all. That's how much of a junk

454
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.799
That's how much of a junkie I
am. But my friend was sitting in

455
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:40.880
the chair across for me and It
was one of the most surreal thirty seconds

456
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:45.759
of my life. With my it
was like talking to a dog, like

457
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:47.960
my friend. I was talking to
him and he could not He was looking

458
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.880
at me, but he couldn't understand
the words that I was saying. Really,

459
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.640
and he started to get like really
uncomfortable and shifty in his chair,

460
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:59.559
and then he fell out of his
chair. He ran up to me,

461
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.119
he have my shoulders and he said, is this heaven? And then he

462
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:07.400
took off running out of my room, knocked a picture frame off of the

463
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.279
wall in the hallway, and then
I followed him out to the couch where

464
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.039
or to the living room where he
stopped by the couch and turned around and

465
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.519
was like, Hey, what's up
man? What are we doing? And

466
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:20.880
I was like, do you know
what just happened? And then he told

467
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:28.240
me a fifteen minute journey that he
had been on in that thirty second period

468
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.880
of time. Really, it was
one of the most time Sally totally did.

469
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.759
And I had asked him if he
had any memory of asking me,

470
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.039
is this heaven? And he said
that he remembered like being on a beach,

471
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:45.039
like being on a beautiful beach,
and like talking to like a rock,

472
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.559
is what he had said. I
was the rock, which I think

473
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.640
is a metaphor for my you being
friend ship, you know, but actually

474
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:57.960
meaning you were the wrestler. Now
that's right. I became Dwayne. Anyway,

475
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.799
that was my Salvy experience, which
is watched a friend completely lose their

476
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.519
mind, lose their ship, and
you know there's people out there they go,

477
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.239
that sounds fantastic. Sure, well
listen, I mean we've all had

478
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:13.199
our We've all had some. Yeah, I'm one of them. Listen,

479
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.480
We've all, uh, we've all
had our dance with nature. We've all

480
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:22.599
had an argument with the video video
game. Yeah, I remember, we

481
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:29.360
made our own. We had poppies
growing at this house that I actually talked

482
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.719
about, the house that they didn't
pick up rent for four hundred fourteen months.

483
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.199
So we had poppies growing in the
front yard. And one of my

484
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:40.320
buddy's friend came over and said he
got heroin poppies. So we bled them.

485
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:44.480
You murdered those people who told you
about the poppies. We bled those

486
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:49.440
people, and we bled the poppies, scraped it all off, cooked it

487
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:52.480
all up, and tried it.
And I had an argument with the video

488
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.599
game machine. Really because it was
chasing me around. Oh my god,

489
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.480
yeah, I can't remember. I
think it was Gilaca Galactica. I think

490
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.199
that's why I was like chasing.
I just kept I kept trying to leave

491
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.599
the arcade, and it kept bringing
me back. Oh my god. Yeah,

492
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.840
that's wild man, it was crazy. Well, the the killers in

493
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:16.719
question in this story, let's they
both claim that they were not smoking spice

494
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.119
K two the night of these murders. Of course, you just do that

495
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:22.920
on your own. I like that. During the interrogation, he was just

496
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:28.239
very indignant about the fact that he
didn't smoke, and how dare they accuse

497
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.519
him of smoking. I was just
always had a cup of tea and then

498
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:35.599
I went to murder and then beating
my father to death or whatever. Um

499
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.000
So, anyway, I mentioned his
name a little while ago, this guy

500
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:43.559
Mitchell, this is his drug buddy. And both of these guys are going

501
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:47.519
around talking about like they've murdered people
before, right, just joking about it.

502
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.960
Now, listen, unless you host
a podcast about a murder shell,

503
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.400
it's never cool to joke about murdering. You can joke about murder unless you

504
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.679
can joke about murder. Uh,
let's put it like this, before you're

505
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:04.039
going. They had a third friend
they did what was his friend's name?

506
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.400
His name was Ian. Oh yeah, that popped out my face really quick.

507
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.800
Yeah, this is gonna be there. Their driver, getaway getaway driver,

508
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.800
and they were gonna split the three
thousand dollars three ways. Oh my

509
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:17.199
god, the money. They were
just they were in it for the money.

510
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:21.800
That Yeah. I think my parents
might have like three thousand dollars somewhere

511
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:23.840
around the house. We have to
gather it up. Yeah, got the

512
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:28.559
bat, let's do it, man. Oh man, We'll just we're gonna

513
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.360
go. We're gonna go all the
way to Iowa on that money. Yeah.

514
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:37.039
Yeah. Now, Ian, the
person in this story turns out to

515
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.039
be my hero. Yeah yo,
because he's a No. Well, he

516
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.719
was like, you guys are just
joking, right, you guys aren't gonna

517
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.400
actually kill some Oh are going to
I gotta go. You remember when you

518
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.679
guys were joking about killing somewhere.
You guys are joking, right, You're

519
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:55.519
not Okay, Well, I'm gonna
move home with my parents. Doesn't sound

520
00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:01.039
fun anymore. These guys, though, again, they they talk about like

521
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:07.840
Tucker especially, he has this game
that he is making himself the victim for

522
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.400
everything. He's just talking about how
he has killed somebody before. He said

523
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:19.000
something about watching his brother rape his
sister, and it's like he was adopted

524
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.199
when he was just days old.
And the people who are getting interviewed in

525
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:28.880
this story are like being told for
the first time that their friend was lying

526
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.880
to them and that he didn't do
that. Was that Mitchell's girlfriend that they

527
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:36.199
were talking to. Was that the
one lady that there's a lady. There's

528
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:40.639
a girl that says he would wake
up every night and from a nightmare,

529
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.800
right and I would I would hold
him or something like that. Was that

530
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.039
that was Mitchell's girlfriend? I think
so, I'm not. You know,

531
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.039
it gets a little bit confusing when
you got the two guys who are just

532
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:53.920
they kind of start to seem one
and the same to me a little bit.

533
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:59.760
If you're if you're a girl or
a boy and somebody starts doing that,

534
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.599
just walk away. I know you
think they're your friend, but they're

535
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.159
not. Yeah, you know,
if somebody has murders every night, not

536
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:15.760
murders, nightmares every night while you're
in a crack house smoking salve, yah,

537
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.800
Yeah, just go think about it. Think about I don't know.

538
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:24.239
I'm guessing there's kids are out there
that that's the alternative and that's better.

539
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.280
But this kid, Tucker, that
was not better. Yeah. His home

540
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.800
life was fantastic by the sounds of
it. Was there things that you had

541
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.159
to do and they had to keep
up to Did you have to keep good

542
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.679
grades? And it was tough for
him? Yeah? Right, that's just

543
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:45.920
called being a responsible adult. Yeah. I wish I'd known more about why

544
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.119
he had gotten arrested. I know
it was for drugs, but how he

545
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.840
like was he selling them? Right? Yeah? They don't really, they

546
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.079
don't say because he did prison time
by the same yeah, but not that

547
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.000
much. It was like I was
kind of writing down the notes where it

548
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:04.079
was like he committed the crime in
spring and then he went to jail that

549
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.239
winter, and then by February he
was out again. Right, So it

550
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.559
wasn't like it was the crazy teenage
lock up. It wasn't. But still

551
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:22.360
still, so what do you is
there's a certain person right that if that

552
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.320
doesn't stop you in your tracks and
change your directions, it doesn't, right,

553
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.119
Sorry I say it again. So
if when you get arrested as a

554
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.800
kid, if that doesn't resonate and
it stops you and puts you in a

555
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.559
different direction. Then you're going like
right off the right off the deep end.

556
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:43.360
Yeah, you would think that the
prison experience is going to turn you

557
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:49.079
either turn you toward the light or
turn you more in toward whatever bad path

558
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.360
you're going. I had to go
to the police department for a fix it

559
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.800
ticket and I fucking hated it.
So yeah, let alone the delousing and

560
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.800
they yeah, bending over and having
somebody look up my butt hole for a

561
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.320
pen or whatever you smuggle into a
prison, you should be lucky. If

562
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.000
they're just looking up your butt hole
in prison. We've heard a lot worse

563
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.400
things happen. That's how it starts. Once they look inside it. Then

564
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:15.559
they like to hide things in it, mostly penises. Yeah, I don't

565
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.039
think either of us would do very
well in prison. Oh, I'd cry.

566
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.559
No, you gotta beat somebody up. Haven't you seen the movies?

567
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:22.960
Man, You gotta beat someone up. The first you gotta show up like

568
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:25.639
you've been beat up, and then
you got to make someone your bitch.

569
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:31.519
The first day doesn't much worse,
No, thank you? Yeah, Like,

570
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.360
can't I just be like the cool, funny guy with all the all

571
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.679
the movie references that you want to
How guys, don't you want trivia?

572
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.880
Yeah? I can tell you,
guys about a murder show that I used

573
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.360
to host. Today, guys,
you guys want to listen to my show

574
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.960
new episodes out with the new guest
host. Guest host, I can say,

575
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.320
co host, son of a batch, you are a co host?

576
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.320
I'm in. Well, let's talk
more about these co killers. Let's talk

577
00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:00.639
about Mitchell and Tucker. Mitchell,
how white is that too? By Mitchell

578
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.679
and Tucker. Yeah, sounds like
they should have been doing white collar crimes

579
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:07.800
instead of murder. Totally agree,
But instead they are trying to break down

580
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:14.079
who is going to be doing the
killing. Now. Later we'll learn that

581
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.599
they both point the finger at each
other, and they both swear that the

582
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:20.360
other person had the idea and that
they never knew this was going to happen.

583
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.800
But there's plenty of people who survived
this incident that could explain what really

584
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:30.000
did happen. But Mitchell had said
to Tucker, just what a stand up

585
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.400
guy he was. He said,
you know a pel just for you,

586
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:37.159
I'll kill your parents so you don't
have to What a nice guy, sweet,

587
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.960
And I'll kill your sister and then
yeah, exactly, that sister that

588
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.840
you love so much? Yeah,
yeah, sorry, we're going to say

589
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.800
I like her too much? Can
you kill her for me? Yeah?

590
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.280
That I want to play another was
busy, he was murdering the ship at

591
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:57.400
a people that he really was.
And the fact that excuse me, way,

592
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.000
when you see Mitchell, do you
see a redhead from from a modern

593
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:06.280
family? Sure, yeah, that
makes it even more disturbing. Now that's

594
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:10.400
really funny. Um. But the
fact that this whole thing was seen by

595
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:19.320
the little sister Isabella, who overheard
that they were trying to like steal mom's

596
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.920
purse. And so this little girl, amidst all the violence, found the

597
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:29.840
purse and hid the purse and then
ran at her brother with like a lighter

598
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.280
bat to try to stop him,
and he just takes the bat and then

599
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:37.679
proceeds to like beat everybody up with
it. That just was so messed up

600
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.320
to me. And this idea also, by the by the way, she

601
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.679
gets an Italian name too. That's
right, you know, maybe that's why

602
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:52.320
he was jealous this whole time.
Yeah, Tucker, Tucker, Tino Grandpa.

603
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.880
But Tanner didn't snap and kill anybody. He didn't. That's true.

604
00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:01.599
Um, maybe they should have been
like twins like Arnold, Arnold and Danny.

605
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.079
Oh yeah, because so much shorter, and then he would have been

606
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:07.800
happy and everybody be alive today.
I want to play a little bit of

607
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.960
audio of the little girl because it's
heartbreaking to hear. Okay, but also

608
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.199
we should talk about him. Okay, Hello, I'm a little girl,

609
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:20.400
I say to Murder. I didn't
want to see it. My mama's mob.

610
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:23.880
That was a clip, and any
any thoughts on that. She sounds

611
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:30.679
a little bigger than I thought she
was. Woke up and I went down

612
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:37.119
Scars and I saw this boy pounding
my mom are my mom was in there

613
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.719
and chuckle in here too, tell
us to go back up. Scar My

614
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:45.920
idea. I went down Star and
he's saying, you containing my purse.

615
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.920
But then I wind her around and
hint of purse is he wouldn't back in

616
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:58.480
and take it. This idea too, that the little girl just can't comprehend

617
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:02.239
why this is happening North She but
she just keeps saying like I thought you

618
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.639
loved me, Like why would you
do this? Because I that's the only

619
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:10.360
way that little kids know how to
interpret the world is like through love or

620
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.760
hate, like the very sort of
bottom line type emotions. How did I

621
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:20.639
disappoint you? Yeah? Yeah,
so that she sounds very like Brave in

622
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:23.760
the retelling of that story, but
just the amount of trauma that must have

623
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:29.320
caused her. Also, trauma doesn't
always show up right then. Yeah,

624
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.679
she might be fifteen when it pops
up. She might be twenty when it

625
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:37.039
pops up, right, Yeah,
I just think it's really it's it's gonna

626
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.519
affect her, And that's that's what
that's what's so sad about when you hear

627
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:46.039
things that happen to kids. They
have so much longer to live than you

628
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:49.719
know, if it happens to somebody
when they're fifty, when it happens to

629
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.920
somebody when they're forty, you know, yeah, yeah, so you know,

630
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.360
you just you just think about all
the all the things that you have

631
00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:00.320
to do in life. Still that
that's gonna be held over him. Well,

632
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:07.119
we can talk about it a little
bit, but along those lines though,

633
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:13.719
that's still not adopting a fucking kid. That is sort of the like

634
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:15.960
message or moral though. Toward the
end of the episode, though, is

635
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:23.599
this idea that the family is somehow
healing together. I don't do you.

636
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:28.519
You don't have to happen to have
the phone call with the uncle calling up

637
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.559
Tucker while he's in prison and saying, hey, why don't you calm it

638
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:36.079
down? And just because they remember
he's gonna fight it and just plead guilty.

639
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.360
That was that was an interesting Tucker's
attitude on the phone. He was

640
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.159
still the victim. Well, what
I thought was interesting, going back just

641
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:51.440
slightly, is after the murders are
done, the two guys are hiding in

642
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:57.360
the basement, and then Tucker escapes
out the bottom like a back window and

643
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.480
runs off into the night. And
according to his like victims story, he

644
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:06.400
was just trying to like flee the
situation and then just go take a nap,

645
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:12.239
go sleepy sleep at his friend's house, versus Mitchell, who just charged

646
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.079
up the basement stairs and pushed the
little girl out of the way. He

647
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.119
didn't make it very far at all. Was that which hold on which wasn't

648
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:21.559
a Tucker there was arrested first.
I think it was Mitchell that was arrested

649
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.960
first, and then Tucker was found
later because one of them drove away right,

650
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:28.360
one of them drove stuck, and
then he said, like in part

651
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.320
of his his like sob story was
that he was like fleeing Mitchell and that's

652
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:35.800
why he had run away from You
imagine just sleeping after that. I know

653
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.880
that's the craziest. Have a little
bath of tea and just yeah, people,

654
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:43.559
people, it's insane. There's gotta
be a week way we can test

655
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:50.039
these people for they're they're having that
kind of mental ability. Just put them

656
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.280
all into our special little soldier road
for it. Yeah, put him on

657
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:58.400
our special camps. Um. They
only stopped their attack because the police came.

658
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.920
And when the police were they knew
that they knew the police were coming

659
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.960
because the nine one one operator told
him from a distance, Yeah, they

660
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:10.039
heard her shouting through the floorboards.
The police are there. Um. But

661
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:15.199
I thought this was kind of a
strange moment, which is that the police

662
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:20.280
discovered Uh, maybe this is why
I thought that the mom and the brother

663
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:25.280
were both dead, because police found
the bodies of Rows and Salvatur at the

664
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:30.920
bottom of the stairs. Their bodies
had been dragged there, and their bodies

665
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:35.280
were on top of the bats that
they were beaten with. So I'm thinking,

666
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.840
now, maybe that's the moment that
I assumed that they were dead because

667
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.719
their bodies were dragged. But also
didn't they say they were beaten so bad

668
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.920
they couldn't even tell what sex they
were. Yeah, yeah, I was

669
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:54.119
just like I've heard her beat the
pits off her. But oh, we're

670
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:59.199
not doing any more shows. You
gotta take that. That's gotta be Can

671
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:04.199
you believe that? Because it's fucking
aleric um. But this idea of them

672
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.159
hiding the bats under the body,
yeah, I'll never find out. I'm

673
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.039
not a great place to hide it. You know, You're you're really only

674
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.840
saving a couple of seconds there.
They're gonna find him pretty quick. And

675
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.000
Papa, Papa didn't He didn't even
make it out of the house, right,

676
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:20.079
Papa was now he died there,
Yeah, exactly. And it's it's

677
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.360
weird because when they describe the family, Dad sounds like he's a pretty scook

678
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.559
them guy. What guy scoop them
like, you know, like a well

679
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.079
built man, Okay, and couldn't
take care of himself, so he must

680
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.719
have been surprised. Yeah, sorry, I'm still caught on scookum must be

681
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:38.239
a Canadian word. I'm not his
word before you'll be using it now I

682
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:42.840
will. Hey, look at that
piece of candy. It's but I want

683
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.960
to lead back to what you were
saying before, which is when it came

684
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:52.079
to now the trials of these two
guys and the uncle telling Tucker like,

685
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:57.679
look, you were gonna put the
family through all of this again if it

686
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.800
goes to trial, So please please
just take some responsibility and like, yeah,

687
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:06.199
change your plea, man, don't
make the little girl go on the

688
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:09.280
stands and have to tell her story
again. Yeah, exactly, So they

689
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:15.000
do have that wish is granted,
and he does change his plea, which

690
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.159
is a very good thing. Um. I do want to play a quote

691
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:24.840
here from when he's being interrogated that
I just thought was a real zinger from

692
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:31.000
the from the police officers had more
than anyone but my mom. I mean,

693
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:37.719
I guess I'm always had a bone
to being with her. But she

694
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:45.559
talk me every other weeks to my
therapist kneed and a for away was sick.

695
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:51.719
She's tacking up from school, always
taking me to my quarantines. Until

696
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:57.119
I got older. She did too
much of you. One talk about her,

697
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:07.159
I thought, we don't let you, don't I one she was saying,

698
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:13.360
no, I don't remember any her. I do remember doing that's when

699
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:17.519
I went whether whether you remember,
yeah, whether you remember or not get

700
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.719
it, whether you remember it or
not, you did it. You did

701
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:23.679
it? What do you think?
He also say to him, Look,

702
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:28.880
don't bullshit me too. Doesn't he
say that? At some point he does,

703
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:30.519
like I'm not stupid. Yeah,
he kind of loses it a little

704
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.719
bit, which sounds like it needed
to be done by dad. Dad was

705
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.079
a little too nice, and yeah, you know, well he was like

706
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:43.199
a like a ball coach, sports
coach. I'm ball coach. You gotta

707
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.840
keep your nuts, you gotta keep
your testicles up by your dick. I'm

708
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:52.880
a ball coach. That click,
though, Tanner saying she did too much

709
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.280
for me. Hold that Tanner Tucker
that, oh sorry, that's Tucker.

710
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.920
That's why you can't name your kids
Da Tuck. Yeah, Tucker the killer,

711
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.559
saying that he always had a bone
to pick with his mom because she

712
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.400
was such a great mom. That's
the part that I can't wrap my brain

713
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.760
around. I don't understand. I
don't understand. You know, you fight,

714
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.599
you fight with your You know you
have a parent that you can you

715
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.840
you might not see eye to eye
with and you might you know, it

716
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.000
doesn't matter well, you know,
it doesn't matter. There's a parents.

717
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.239
Sometimes there's a relationship where your parent
will tell you something you're like, you

718
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:27.920
don't know what the fuck you're talking
about. Yeah, and then somebody else

719
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:32.000
that you know that you think is
more important than your parents. I'm saying

720
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.119
love or whatever, but just does
something and tells you the exact same thing,

721
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.800
and you believe it because they're just
not your parent. Yeah, you

722
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.360
know what I mean, So that
they might have that kind of relationship,

723
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:45.519
can see that, but he's taken
it to a new level. This.

724
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:51.760
Your mom's shown you underlying, undying
love no matter who you know, no

725
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.000
matter what you do. She's taking
you to these things. She's taking you,

726
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:59.000
she's you know, and you're beating
a piece of shit and you're adopted,

727
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.320
and you're saying that she doesn't treat
you well because you're adopted, that

728
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.639
there's a difference between you and the
other kids. Yet she's showing you just

729
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:07.920
as much love, if not more
right, And I thought it was interesting

730
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:13.840
that in this episode, Mike says
that they reached out to the other brother

731
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:16.760
for his comments, and he understandably
didn't want to be interviewed, but then

732
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:22.920
he did send in a statement that
sort of put it on mental health services.

733
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:28.239
And I thought it was interesting that
Mike afterwards was like, nah,

734
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.320
well, we don't really think it
had it wasn't that because it showed that

735
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:38.039
they had done everything that they kind
of could. And again, thankfully Tucker

736
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:44.559
did change his plea to no contest, and you know he does give a

737
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.119
somewhat sincere apology. I don't know, We've played a lot of apologies on

738
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:51.760
the show. I feel like it
sounded sincere enough. I suppose. I

739
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:53.960
like that they both got life with
no parole. That part is great.

740
00:52:55.000 --> 00:53:00.760
But Mitchell, this fucking jerk,
took his case all the way to trial

741
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:07.280
and then instead of the moment where
he should be talking about how sorry he

742
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:12.320
was, instead he just starts bitching
about his lawyers not doing the job that

743
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.000
he paid them for. Right,
um, and I want to play I'm

744
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:16.639
sure he didn't pay for them to
do That's also probably true. Are we

745
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:21.719
paid for it with our pay damn
it? But this is a great moment

746
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:28.000
when the judge is like interrupting him
to tell him that this isn't the place

747
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.440
to be bitching about you can I
say that you listened to that, and

748
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:36.119
then he listened to his response.
The kid was so dumb he didn't understand

749
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:37.039
what the judge was talking to him
about. Yeah, well, he just

750
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.320
want he was gonna say what he
was gonna say. Let's let's play it

751
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:44.239
because it's uh, this is for
you and it's free. You don't even

752
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.920
have to get it on. Plus
really really pitching that Plus has got more

753
00:53:47.960 --> 00:54:00.159
things. But I know this is
not your impal. That you're saying now

754
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:12.039
is your basis for your appeal.
There's a helport. Yes, you know

755
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.480
what I can say all this today
because all this is going to be sent

756
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:19.119
a drink up to the pelport.
You need to say. I even want

757
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.760
to say to the help you don't
have to see all those times now for

758
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:24.880
the teleport that your arguments. They
just want to make sure to question that.

759
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.800
Very polite judge, by the way, very polite judge. All they're

760
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:35.719
trying to do as a judge is
to like make sure that you understand the

761
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.119
trial to be a fair process.
Like half the time the judge is just

762
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.079
like is like, and they saying
this to the jurors too, like are

763
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:45.400
you getting this? Do you?
Does this process make sense to you?

764
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:50.199
Because in American courts. We don't
want you to think that that the system

765
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.760
is raked. That doesn't help anybody. Um, But like I know people

766
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:57.719
that think it is right, of
course, and it probably is sometimes there

767
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.119
he is right there, that's the
guy I was talking about. But in

768
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.679
this particular case, like we said, this guy just wanted to say what

769
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.760
he was going to say, and
the fact that he just went on for

770
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:13.519
another twenty minutes, it just shows
how little remorse he had for the actions

771
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:15.119
that he did. You know,
if there's any I've been a time that

772
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.679
somebody's tasers should go out by mistake, it was right while he was talking.

773
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.800
Just freeze up and piece himself.
Yeah, that would have bean it

774
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.599
to like America's Funniest videos. I
would have watched that for sure. So

775
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:29.440
the sort of wrap up has talked
about in this episode, again, much

776
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:34.039
to my surprise, Rose not dead
but in a coma for two weeks and

777
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:38.480
then has recovered permanently disfigured. They
said something about like seven plates in her

778
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:45.000
head and seven more plates in her
face. That was stupid. I apologize

779
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.960
everyone, and then I joke about
these things. If you don't joke,

780
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.559
you cry. That's right, I
agree. Yeah. And then the other

781
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:57.519
seven plates though, that poor lady
just that's she feels that every day when

782
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:01.039
you're going through the airport, going
through security. That's every time, all

783
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.760
right, I gotta go that one
because I have a plate mad Actually that's

784
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.639
the person that you want to have
sneak stuff in, yeah, you know,

785
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:08.559
because and they're like, no,
listen, it's not me, it's

786
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:12.440
the plates, and go okay,
okay, go on through. And then

787
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.000
I got a free flask in there, you know what I mean? Look

788
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.679
at you getting a flask through.
That's what you're smuggling through. I gotta

789
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:23.960
get a flash through this. The
other twin brother Sell, he was in

790
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:28.760
a hospital for sixteen months, and
even though people thought he'd never walk or

791
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:32.760
talk or take care of himself again, he has recovered some basic mobility skills.

792
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.800
Can't live by himself again. I
don't want to be too morbid here,

793
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:42.280
but wouldn't have just been easier if
he died? I you know what

794
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.679
I was thinking about that. I
was trying to find out if when I

795
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.519
heard that, how far he'd recovered, because it sounds like he's walking um,

796
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.079
because they at first he had it
eating too he couldn't eat. Yeah,

797
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:58.039
so he had a feeding tube and
his body would so he'd never eat

798
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:04.159
again, and he couldn't talk and
basically turned into a Metallica song. Uh,

799
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:08.320
but I'm laughing about it. But
at the same time, no,

800
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:12.440
I'm glad he didn't die. Yeah, I don't want to wish death on

801
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.039
anything. But when when you when
you asked, like, do you think,

802
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:16.960
I think, yeah, you know, I think he got back to

803
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:20.639
a point where there is some sort
of quality of life. Yea, even

804
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:24.320
though it isn't the you know,
the quality that you want. So I

805
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:30.000
think I think the twin brother just
the guilt. I bet you he's got

806
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.800
a lot of guilt that he should
I fought harder should, you know.

807
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.320
So I think that's the one that
you should be we should be worried about

808
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.960
the most, because it sounds like
he's, you know, he's the caretaker

809
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:45.159
of the whole family now, right. But it is interesting to note that

810
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:52.880
they have all stayed together, including
being in touch with the evil person who

811
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.239
did all they said they got to
forgive him. Yeah, I can understand.

812
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:59.559
Yeah, But at the same time, I'm like, it's like,

813
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:06.079
how how you have to be such
a strong person to like recover from something

814
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:09.599
like that and then to allow yourself
to forgive that person. I don't know,

815
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:16.079
it's sad that they're that person because
it says to you how great of

816
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:21.800
apparent they were. Yeah, and
then to have the kid that they adopted

817
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:28.039
turn into this giant piece of shit
and yeah, only five foot seven though

818
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:30.920
he's not that giant. Yeah,
but but yeah, it was just,

819
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.679
it was just I kind of feel
I don't know, I don't know.

820
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.840
I've not forgiven people for a lot
less. I'll tell you that. So

821
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:43.480
I had a roommate X roommate,
Yeah, owes me a lot of money.

822
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:45.719
And then I'm sure you're fired up
and wishing farts on his face every

823
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:50.440
all the time. But but the
truth truth, you've not forgiven people for

824
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.400
far less. How do they do
that? Yeah? That to me is

825
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:57.079
like just it's wild. When they
say that it's the only way to move

826
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.320
on. I'm like, oh,
there's a lot of funny ones. You

827
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.440
probably probably pick out a COLI.
Yeah, I'm not sending my Christmas gardenship.

828
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.840
Yeah, it's true, But I
mean, I guess there must be

829
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:13.320
a part of it that there's this
little girl that was involved in all this

830
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:17.159
too, and that little girl has
a lot of trauma to deal with and

831
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:22.199
needs people to like show her how
to be strong, right, and if

832
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.920
her own family can't do that,
then she's really going to be in trouble.

833
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.679
So the fact that her family is
able to do all this is like

834
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:36.400
incredibly noble true. True, I
guess I hear what you're saying, though,

835
00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.360
Like there are other ways, but
maybe that's the healthiest way to do

836
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:43.679
it. Yeah, I guess.
So. It's just sad that, you

837
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:46.679
know, as as they get older, they'll get less help. Yeah,

838
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:50.840
you know, I get there.
She's she's not the cute little girl anymore.

839
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.920
Get over things because people won't know
where, you know, wherever she

840
00:59:55.039 --> 01:00:00.559
goes, they won't know what happened
to her, right, what's her problem?

841
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:02.480
Yeah, her family was beaten to
death in the basement. Right.

842
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:07.880
Well, And it's interesting because we've
had sort in scale stories where there are

843
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:12.639
the people. It's like about the
person who did survive all of that horrible

844
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:16.159
stuff and learning how to not compartmentalize
a bit, learning how to like put

845
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:20.280
it into perspective so that it doesn't
destroy the rest of your life. Well,

846
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.400
that male sexual abuse guy with the
trucker. Do you remember that?

847
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:28.079
Yes, yes, I mean he
didn't forgive that guy, but you know

848
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:30.880
we moved on, Yeah, exactly. He had to find a way to

849
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:35.239
kind of move on from that.
So, you know, this is definitely

850
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:39.280
a really sad story. It's very
sad, but it's very it's it's kind

851
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:44.239
of you hope, you hope the
best for them, totally. Yeah,

852
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:46.480
anything further to add, well,
I'd like to do a voicemail from you

853
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:50.960
know, oh you have no voice. The voicemails I Mike and let After

854
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.280
the show, I just want to
thank you. Michael's fantastic and from Longbridge

855
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:58.159
is having a good time, and
Ian and matter fantastic. Keep on playing

856
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:01.679
with them. Yeah yeah, I
love hearing from the fans. We want

857
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.320
to lead from you guys. Please
reach out to us on social I'm on

858
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:09.679
Twitter at Matt Fondelier. Ian's on
Twitter at or sir bag Bag. And

859
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:14.079
then we also do other shows too. I'm on a much lighthearted, much

860
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:16.800
more lighthearted show called The water Cooler. It is a fun show. It's

861
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:20.840
crazy. Recently a guest and I
have a great time. I don't do

862
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:22.920
anything else. I just did at
home and look out the window. Now

863
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:27.400
you're on Enjoying Orange License with Jeff
and Ian. Yeah, we talk about

864
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.360
hockey. Hockey season is in full
gear, things are going. Yeah,

865
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:31.639
my goodness, get out to a
hockey game if you haven't been to one.

866
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:37.599
NHL Best Board World And we're getting
close to Thanksgiving if it's not already

867
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:39.960
upon us. So very thankful for
all the listeners out there. Thank you

868
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:43.360
guys. I hope you have some
nice turkey. Yeah, I'm sure somebody

869
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.079
will be able to cut the turkey
much easier than other people. You freaks.

870
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:52.239
So here's the deal. In this
story, they talk about how they

871
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.840
want to focus on hope and love, and so they end all of their

872
01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:00.320
communications with jk LP, which stands
for just keep loving people. And here

873
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:05.800
on our show we end it with
another initial dB a D, which we

874
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:19.079
all know means don't be a douchebag. Sword Scale Reward is a production of

875
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.480
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876
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:27.480
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877
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:30.280
to tell your friends about us,
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878
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:34.480
because I'll think you're weird. Okay, that's it. Let's tell next time

879
01:02:34.800 --> 01:03:04.199
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