There's such a level of entitlement here, but that's so indicative of our culture.
Now. It's like, I'm entitled to this. It's unfair. I
should have this, I should have that. They should be paying for this.
They are required to do this for me. It's like, actually,
no, they're not required to do crap. Welcome to another deep dive edition
of the Chicks on the Right podcast. I'm pretty stoked about today's topic because
it can be so excited. I know, I don't really know why,
but like, I don't know, it just sort of came out of nowhere.
There seems to be a lot of stories right now happening about air travel,
and so we thought we should break down all of these stories. A
couple different angles that we need to hit on when it comes to air travel,
and like the inconveniences and just like the weird stuff that happens on planes.
Right, do you like flying? I hate it? Oh my god,
I hate it with the fury of a billion sons. Did you used
to like it? I've never liked being on an aircraft. No, I
hate it too, I absolutely hate it. It's I don't have like a
fear of flying, but I have a discomfort with it. It's just like
a total discomfort and inconvenience, and I don't feel entirely safe on them.
And I just have never liked flying at all. I much trying to go
on a road trip much rather to be in a car. Yeah, and
I don't like driving either, So I just don't like the process of getting
from one place to another, right, But I very much like being other
places. That's the problem. You just want to teleport, which I would
love to teleport, wouldn't it be Great's coming Elon Musk is going to invent
that sometimes soon get on the sticks. It's not like he's not It's not
like he's Betty right me only is like six other things going on. But
he'll eventually get there. We'll get there. Just give it like that would
be great. Because I am also one of those people that does really,
really poorly at any kind of turbulence. I get very very worried and upset
and nervous and terrified, especially now that, like, you know, twelve
year olds are flying our planes, right. I mean, it's just it's
not like solely is flying every single plane. Now. It's like you look
at the pilot and you're like you're like, my kids ain't right, and
I am very uncomfortable with that. I don't like that at all. So
yeah, I'm just not I don't like being on plans, I don't like
flying. I don't like any of it. I just would I just rather
stay in my house all the time. Well, and it's like the older
you get, the more of a homebody you become. Right, Yeah,
I totally get well. So one of the stories that we wanted to talk
about today is the fact that there is a fairly popular I mean, not
hugely popular. She doesn't have millions of followers that I'm aware of, but
there's a TikToker who is who has some popularity, like one hundred thousand plus
people that follow this very very oversized person. And I guess like most of
her account is all about flying wild fat and so she has all these tips
about how she does that, and you know what airlines are more comminating than
others and all of the stuff. And so apparently she said for a long
time that she buys two seats because she's I would say, how much do
you think she weighs? Like six hundred pounds, five hundred, six hundred
pounds. I can't even venture a guess. I don't know, like beyond
like two hundred and fifty three hundred pounds. It's hard for me to even
guess on that after you become you know, when you're past a certain weight,
I can't. It's to me, it's that's just math, and I
can't do that. I just can't. Like it's it's like for me,
it's like guessing how many jelly beans are in a jar. Oh, I'm
terrible at those. I can't. I'm like one of those people where I'm
like, I'm out. I can't guess that. So I can't guess how
much you weigh after your past like a certain I don't have a concept of
that in my I can't do that in my brain. I just look at
you and I'm like, you're morbidly obese. That's like all I can say
is and that's not mean for me to say. I mean she is technically
morbidly obese. Oh yeah, I mean I think, well, she describes
herself as plus size. But there's plenty of overweight people, like morbidly overweight
people who say that they are fat, like they call themselves fat. It's
just that's what they know. A plus size is like a size twenty.
She's she's not she's a six X. I heard her say, well,
I don't even know. I didn't know that that was an actual person size,
but that right, I didn't think that that exactly. No, that's
not I don't think that's plus size. Well I guess that's like plus plus
plus size. That's like multiply size, right, Like it's not plus at
this point. Now you're like a you're to the power of kind of plus
size. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think everybody of average size.
And I'm not talking like thin or you know, rail fin or anything,
but just average size. If you just look at like the average size
of the population, average size people. If you're sitting on a plane,
you're already seated, and you see a six hundred poundsh person coming down the
aisle and you have an empty seat next to you, everyone braces themselves like
everyone is hoping, oh my god, please don't let that person have to
sit next to me, because you then don't don't have your own seat.
You then are dealing with someone who's absolutely spilling onto you. Yeah, that
person's not sitting next to you. Anywhere that person is sitting on you.
Yes, exactly, and that's not okay. So now this this woman is
now saying she started a petition, a change dot org petition demanding that air
of error lines start just giving an additional two or an additional seat or two
two obese travelers like herself for free. So she says, I'm fine buying
a ticket, but like, because of my gigantic size, I should get
a second and even possibly third seat for free. Now okay, So then
do skinny people get a break on their ticket? She didn't addressed that.
She She also doesn't address like super tall people who already are super uncomfortable,
because they kills The thing that kills me about this is that there are a
lot of people well who have signed her petition. Let's look at I think
travel and why I think every plus size traveler should get a free second and
even third seat on an airplane. Then you'd better keep watching and sign my
petition to make some real change. Let's just stay fast. Plus size travelers
need more space, and many people agree that plane seats are too small even
for the average sized person. As a plus size traveler myself, I know
how uncomfortable and on safe it can be to squeeze into a tiny airplane seat.
We are not asking for special treatment or luxury accommodations. We simply want
enough space to travel comfortably and safely without fear of being discriminated against because of
our size. It's truly that simple. If you agree that every traveler deserves
to fly comfortably and without fear of discrimination, then go ahead and please sign
my petition and share it with everybody that you know. Let's work together to
make air travel more inclusive and accommodating for everyone. There's that word inclusive,
right, inclusivity. It's all about inclusivity and like hurting her feelings or making
sure that she feels welcome on the plane because she hasn't taken personal responsibility herself,
right, so she feels like she needs two extra seats for free.
Okay, so for for free? Yeah, okay, Well that doesn't that's
not fair. That's not fair to the people who are not plus size.
And I'm putting that in air quotes right because I mean, what about the
people who are not her size that have to pay for that seat? Okay?
So what about somebody who is, um, what about my daughter,
say my daughters, you know, like when she was eleven and twelve,
or if she's not thirteen, and she's pretty small, you know, she
doesn't take up as much of the seat requires her to take up. So
can I pay a discounted fair for her because she I have to pay for
a whole seat for her? What about when she was what about when she
was a toddler and I had to pay for a whole seat for her to
sit there and she's occupying like what a third of it? Right when she
was eighteen months old, I had to buy a whole seat for her.
She didn't take up the whole seat. Sometimes she sat on my lap when
we were taking, you know, a flight someplace. So why is it
that I had to buy a whole seat for her? I should get a
discounted rate on the fact that she was tiny, you know, I mean,
are we going to start doing this? Because if this is the thing,
it's the same notion, it's the same idea. She was smaller,
so I should have to I should be able to pay a discounted rate for
the size of her body if this is what we're going to start doing now.
The petition was seventy. She wanted seventy five hundred signatures. She was
already at like sixty five hundreds of the as of the taping of this broadcast.
Yeah, people are on board with this well. And I did see
some of the comments of the people that signed on to the petition where some
of them were like, I'm signing this petition because I think in general,
all plane seats are too small, and when we've been getting the screws by
the airline industry, and so they should make every seat a little bit bigger
because now everything is so uncomfortable. But I mean, there's a cost to
all of this. Do we really want there is to get airline travel more
expensive than it already is, because that's what the result will be. You
are absolutely you're one hundred and fifty percent correct on that, because what you
wanted, they're gonna have to make new planes with these bigger seats. You
don't think that the cost is going to actually get passed down to the consumer,
right, You're an idiot. Or they fly fewer people. I mean
that's what ends up happening. If they did change all the seats, they
fly fewer people. So there's how this wasn't a problem until now. Yeah,
you notice how like when you know in the seventies and the eighties,
in the nineties, no one really, no one really bitched about this,
like I feel like, and part of that has to do with we've gotten
fatter and fatter and fatter. We just have. I mean, that's just
something to think about too. That's just one prong of this. If you
if you look at like what a fat person was considered even fifty sixty years
ago, let alone a hundred years ago in this country, it was a
lot different. Like the fattest person in the country or the fattest person in
the world was a lot different than the fat person now totally know what I
mean. Well now and now because of the body positivity nonsense, Now it's
all glorified, right, so now everything is like we should celebrate the giganticness
of this person. Right And then have you you've seen that show, like
the show where they do the bariatric surgery on the super super super fat people.
Yeah, so what's so that made me wonder? Like with her petition,
I mean, she's obviously a person who gets around. Now she also
posts videos of herself using the scooters at grocery stores. So she's obviously not
comfortable walking for long periods, but she presumably can still get herself to the
airport or whatever. What about the people who are bedridden because of their weight?
Are they now are going? Are they going to expect airlines to send
them like a crane to pick them up so that they can fly? Because
where does this stop? Where do all these accommodations stop? M Yeah,
I don't know. That's a great question, it's a really great question.
Or send them transportation to pick them up to and front because they can't do
it themselves. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's crazy, like and it's
there's such a level of entitlement here, but that's so indicative of our culture
now. It's like I'm entitled to this. It's unfair. I should have
this, I should have that. They should be paying for this. They
are required to do this for me. Yeah, it's like, actually,
no, they're not required to do crap. They're a company that provides a
service if you can get if you can get the service yourself, then you
know, you pay for that service. And if you can't deal, you
can't deal. Like if you cannot fit into that seat. Then you don't
pay for that service, or you pay you pay for the seat that you
need, the two seats that you need. Amen. I mean that's the
way I look at it too, But it's so many people see it differently.
They're like, no, that that particular company that's providing the service needs
to change for me. Actually they don't. They don't need to do that,
right, I mean they really don't. They don't have to change the
entire your aircraft for you. They don't have to do that. If you
if you don't fit in that seat, you don't fit in that seat.
And if you need to fit into two seats, you pay for two seats,
yeah, or figure out another way to travel. Right, there's also
a card, a cruise ship. There's plenty of those, right. I
don't see why this is so difficult, but it's it is a different mentality
now than it used to be. Total and it's me, me, me,
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caused the Internet to explode earlier this week, and that is because there is
a Toronto Blue Jay's player, a baseball player named Anthony Ba who got absolutely
everyone all up in arms about a debate regarding his twenty two week pregnant wife,
who is apparently also it's a high risk pregnancy. I don't know why,
but it is considered for whatever reason, to be a high risk pregnancy.
His wife was traveling alone on a plane with her five year old and
two year old, and during the flight, the apparently, and this was
a piece of the of the story that I didn't know until after I read
about all the hullabaloo, but the flight attendants were passing around popcorn and as
their snack or whatever. And so the woman, the wife of this baseball
player, got popcorn for her kids, and the two year old, presumably
the two year old, absolutely got popcorn everywhere all over the floor of around
her seat in her seat all over the place. So at the end of
the flight, the flight attendants told the mom, you need to pick up
after your kid, and the player this Anthony got I absolutely lost his mind
on Twitter, took a picture that his wife obviously sent to him of the
kids of the mess underneath the seat and said, the flight attendant at United
just made my twenty two week pregnant wife traveling with a five year old and
a two year old get on her hands and knees to pick up the popcorn
mess by my youngest daughter? Are you kidding me? And it got to
the point where he tweeted later that the United folks had responded to him and
they were taking care of this flight attendant internally, they were whatever you know,
performance appraising her or portmanning her. So she got in trouble. Flight
attendant got in trouble for it. Yeah, okay, So because the Internet
massively divided, there's there's the camp of people who are like, of course
you should pick up after your own kids, and then there's the other camp
who are like, you pay airlines for a cleaning fee and it's not insignificant,
and so they are expected to clean up after you. Much like when
you go to a movie theater and spill pop corn, it's not you cleaning
it up, it's the people that work in the theater. I have mixed
feelings about it too. I'm mixed about it because I do think because you
do play, pay for that, you pay for a cleaning fee, you
do, and you've seen them do that. And then there's a part of
me that's like, Okay, if they asked me to clean up, and
I was in a high risk pregnancy and I didn't feel comfortable getting If I
didn't feel comfortable doing that, why does she do it? I don't know.
I don't know. Why does she get on her hand? You know,
she felt bad, so she did it, and then she bitched her
husband, right, it's like that is also a problem. And then she
bitched her a sister who is Jesse James Decker, which I didn't even know
who that was until who happens to be an influence and like a country singer
who I'm sorry, I don't listen to her music. You guys probably may
know who she is, but but she's also very influential, and so she's
tweeting all about it, and like, oh, my god, they made
my sister do this. Well, I mean, your sister could have said
no, I'm not going to do it. I'm not gonna get on my
hands and needs to do this. I'm in a high risk pregnancy. Why
I can't women do that? I can't women just say no, Right,
I'm not going to get on my hands and knees just because you told me
to do that. I pay for a cleaning fee, you do it.
I have I'm five months pregnant. I don't want to and kids with me,
even in the popcorn, right, I'm not going So no, I'm
not gonna do it. What are you gonna do? Arrest me? Like,
screw you. I'm not gonna do it. Seriously, I mean,
who was good? What is the worst thing that could happen if she said
no? If she felt uncomfortable with it to the point where she's bitsion to
her husband and BITSI and to her sister and and like texting everybody about this.
Obviously she was upset about it. Yeah, why couldn't she just say
no? You know? That was the first thing that that kind of annoyed
me about that, And then the second thing is it's like okay, well,
I mean there's a there's a part where you just kind of like,
I don't know, lean over or kind of it clean. Yeah, there's
I feel like there's some sense of personal responsibility to cleaning up after your kids,
like even in a restaurant. I do that with with my at least
I used to when you know, my youngest was a little bit younger,
and if she made a mess on the table, I'd even like kind of
wipe up a little. I always felt bad, like for servers and stuff.
I'm like, oh my god, my family's freaking you know, you
know I always felt I always felt like because you know, some people feel
that way, and there's been discussion about that too lately. I've seen it.
Where is it your responsibility to clean up a table or is it the
server's responsibility to clean up the table? Well, I mean I do feel
like they come around and they wipe down the table and everything, but I
always stacked the dishes, I put like the silverware on top. I kind
of wipe it down a little bit with like a napkin or because I always
feel some sense of personal responsibility of cleaning up my space, because it's like
if I'm being a slob or my family's being a slab. That's just me
being a mom, yeah, and watching out for my server, not being
a jerk. Like there's some semblance of you have to have some manners.
Ye have some manners. You know, these are your kids. It's your
responsibility to clean up a little bit after your children. So there's that part
of me too. Yeah, And I mean, there's so many odd weird
things about this story to begin with, Like it's hard for me to fathom
that a flight attendant actually told a passenger to do that in the first place,
Like that's just unheard of. You don't hear anybody saying, don't you
leave this plane until you clean up your mess. That's just not a thing
that you've ever heard. So maybe it was just such a surprise to hear
a flight attendant say that that she was kind of stunned into submission and then
angry about it. I can see that, But I can also see that
she could have possibly de escalated the whole thing by saying, I am so
sorry about the mess. I didn't realize you guys were going to hand out
popcorn. But I'm pregnant and I've got two kids to wrangle. I'm not
going to be able to pick that up. I'm sorry. And yeah,
I'm not getting out my hands and knees on a disgusting plane floor and I'm
not going to do that because gross, I'm just not doing it. And
if you want me to clean it up, you can give me some sort
of a broom or something to do that and I'll wait till everybody's off the
aircraft. But I'm not doing it right now. Now, You're not going
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this is the thing. It's like I just I probably would have been
like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that. That's gross. I'm gonna
get some sort of nasty disease on this, like crawling around on the floor.
I'm not doing it gross. So this, yeah, the whole story
is just really weird. But there is some subtle again with the personal responsibility,
there is something to be I get it. Two year olds are gonna
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There's the people who pay for an airplane seat that reclines, as they all
do. And if it's all a longish trip and they want to recline the
seat, theo like two inches or maybe one inch that it reclines, by
golly, they're going to do it regardless of how uncomfortable it may make the
person behind them. And then there are the people who are like, it
is absolutely against all forms of etiquette to ever recline the seat, even though
it does recline. So where are you where do you fall? Well?
I always fly and coach and those seats recline like one inch, So I
just don't see how it inconvenience is anybody? The inch of reclination that they
do is just so insignificant that I'm just like, why is anybody pissed off
about any of this? And what does it matter if you recline It doesn't
even make you more comfortable, So why why does anybody get mad about it?
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comfort. It's all in your brain. If you're more comfortable reclining like one
inch, then I'm sorry. You may think that you're more comfortable, but
that's all in your head. Congratulations on feeling more comfortable, but you're not
more comfortable. It's it's not, it's not. And then when the flat
attendants go around, they're like, you're gonna have to like have your seat
go up. I'm like, oh, okay, because you're going to crash
the plane because of that one inch. Okay, I remember understood for you.
I'm just I always roll my eyes. I'm like, okay, we
would happen if the plane started with every seat recline, Like, is it
gonna is it somehow less safe at takeoff and landing because it's back a little
bit. I just have never understood that. It is literally their their method
of controlling you. I'm like, okay, you want to make sure you
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inch, Okay, lady. It's just it's so dumb. It's just that
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I hate hate it, Okay, I think, in fact, I hate
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know, we're in the middle of the plane, probably like right around where
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feeling that you know what the surprise video is that I'm going to show,
don't You don't don't as you said, you said a word from it that
I was like, Oh, she knows, so I don't. I asked
valen Um to share a video that we did back in our radio days when
we decide. I don't know why, but there was that big story years
ago about that kid who made a clock bomb. Do you remember that he
made a yes and it looked like a bomb and it freaked everybody out and
he was known as like Clockboy or whatever, and there are all these press
conferences about it, and so we decided to hold a press conference. And
for whatever reason, the press conference that we held was about the reclanation reclination
and you said that earlier, so I thought, oh, she knows,
So I thought I have to dig that out since we're talking about airline travel.
I got to dig that out because it includes clips from Louis c.
K one of his most famous clips about air travel with the Miracle of Flight,
and then also Ellen DeGeneres making fun of how little seats actually recline.
Yes, and then and then it's us pretending to hold a big press conference
about it, because we were like, if everybody can have press conferences,
why can't we. We did, and so I thought this would be perfect
way to close out today's show. I cannot wait to see it. Oh
my gosh, Okay, here we go, here we go. So we
decided to have our own press conference about rage in the sky. There's rage
in the sky, and it's over the reclining of seats. Why are people
choking other people about this? Can they not see how ridiculous they are?
Flying is the worst one because people come back from flights and they tell you
their story and it's like a horror story. It's they act like their flight
was like a cattle car in the forties in Germany. That's how bad they
make it sound right there, like it was the worst day of my life.
First of all, we didn't board for twenty minutes, and then we
get on the plane and they made us sit there on the runway for forty
minutes. We had to sit there, or really, what happened next?
Did you fly through the air incredibly like a bird? Did you partake in
the miracle of human flight? Unite contributing zero. You're flying, It's amazing.
Everybody on every plane should just constantly be going, oh my god,
whoa Yes, you're you're you're sitting in a chair in the sky. Yes,
yeah, yeah, right, And can people not see just how tiny
the reclination is. This is me trying to relax on the plane. This
is upright reclining seemed a difference there, uncomfortable, comfortable. Stop at people,
stop choking each other over the reclanation and those the foods our very important
press conference. We're not we're not taking any questions. No, not that
kind of prefortle question today. We're not now questions. This is no question.
Oh my god, good time. Look how young kind of seven eight
years ago, long ago, so young good. Need a better I cream.
I need to like start applying more I cream. Get out your sell
man, get it out. I gotta get it out. I gotta like
double up on the Jenny cell Ye. Anyway, we did have a very
nice review this week. Thank you to those of wo who have taken the
time to leave a five star review and uh and whatever comment you want to
leave, even if it's a hateful one. In fact, we enjoy those
quite a bit, so if you hate the show, feel free to weigh
in on that too. Um, but we did love the bad review.
She loves the mean one. G guys, she gets off on that.
Yeah, I do so me. Gad one five eight said, great podcast.
Love listening to you ladies every morning. Thanks for the news and the
laughs. So that was very so sweet. Thank you, Yeah so sweet.
Well, you know what, I'll still fly, but against my will.
Like we're flying, we're flying in a week together. In fact,
there won't be a deep dive next week because of that, so we should
point that out now that there will not be a deep dive the week of
whatever that week is, April twenty. Plan on getting my one inch of
reclanation so that no one gets mad at you. There you go, So
we'll be doing that together, you guys, and save travels to everybody.
And I guess two weeks from today we'll be doing another deep dive. Until
then, have a wonderful two weeks