WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:05.559 Hudson River Radio dot com. It beats listening to nothing. Oh my goodness, 2 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:14.199 being Frank Frank, where the only way to be is Frank. Hello 3 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:18.600 everyone, and welcome to being Frank. We're the only way to be is 4 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:21.719 Frank. I'm your host, Frank Lebuono, and I'd like to thank you 5 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:26.440 for joining us on what we like to call the Intelligent Conversation podcast, where 6 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:31.280 no conversation is out of bounds in all points of view are welcome. We 7 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:34.640 are going live to tape, as we call it, on the first of 8 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:39.359 February. Good riddance January. But that's a podcast, I guess for another 9 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:44.479 day. Coming up in just over a week is the Super Bowl. And 10 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:48.039 you want to know how far the Super Bowl has come since its inception. 11 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:53.560 Well, perhaps the best comparison can be made in the price of admission i 12 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.560 e. Ticket prices. You could gain admission to the first Super Bowl in 13 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:02.840 nineteen sixty seven in LA between the Green Bay Packers and the Kansas City Chiefs 14 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:07.319 for as little as six dollars yep, six bucks. That's the equivalent of 15 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:12.280 about fifty six dollars in today's market. Okay, so let's fast forward to 16 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:17.319 this Super Bowl, which is number fifty eight in Las Vegas between the Kansas 17 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:23.640 City Chiefs and the San Francisco forty nine Ers. The cheapest ticket is eight 18 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:29.879 one hundred dollars okay, and the average ticket is nearly ten thousand dollars. 19 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:34.879 The most expensive ones are available for just under fifty thousand per seed. At 20 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:41.640 least, that's the research that I have found so far. That's how far 21 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:46.680 it's come. And if that wasn't enough, this year's broadcast on CBS is 22 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:53.239 predicted to be the most watched live event in the history of television. So 23 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.840 how did a simple challenge between rival football leagues morph into one of the greatest 24 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.560 spectacles all of sport. It's a lot to unpack, but we have just 25 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.200 the man to help us do it and provide us with some real insight into 26 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:12.080 the game itself. He has a longtime CBS sports producer, the creator and 27 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:16.159 host of the award women award winning Metstra Damis Blog, and a man I'm 28 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:20.479 proud to call friend, mister John Coppinger. John, welcome back to the 29 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.080 show. Thank you. Always always great to be on with a friend, 30 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:29.800 and always great to be on with you, and for multiple times here now 31 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:31.759 I think this is three or four, and I hope to get into that 32 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:38.680 Saturday Night Live type five guest clubs at all have to print help jackets or 33 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:43.520 hats or something. Johnny. But I noticed when I was reading the ticket 34 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:49.800 prices, you were shaking your head in no sense. Where was it from 35 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.479 the actual price? Is that a debatable though? Those are Those are the 36 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:57.919 sources. I used an NFL source to get some of these prices, and 37 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.680 that was just incredible. Now I wasn't shaking my head because I was disagreeing 38 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:08.599 with the price. I had heard that the lowest price was more towards ten 39 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:13.879 thousand than the eight thousand that you said, But even at eight thousand, 40 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:19.319 you know, my head shake was about just how crazy ticket prices in general, 41 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.199 not just the Super Bowl in general, have become. And I look 42 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:28.879 all the time at ticket prices for just local events here, and to go 43 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:35.199 to a Rangers game on stub Hub with the fees mid December games against the 44 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:38.479 Anaheim Ducks, you can't get for less than one hundred and fifty dollars. 45 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:43.039 All the midweek games against the Montreal Canadians they play in a couple of weeks 46 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.280 on I believe the fifteenth of February. You can't get in for under one 47 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:53.520 hundred and seventy dollars. This is a regular season National Hockey League game in 48 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:57.360 the middle of February. So the Super Bowl, I mean, yeah, 49 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:00.680 it's on a much grander scale, and it's you know, when you said 50 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.319 that six dollar ticket was equivalent to fifty six Now there are so many reasons 51 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:09.199 why that ticket is where it is and uh, you know, status of 52 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:13.120 the game, the addition of a of an A list halftime show for for 53 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.680 these uh, that doesn't make it any less crazy, uh, and it 54 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:23.439 doesn't make it any more conducive to a football atmosphere. This is the uh 55 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:27.879 you know, the atmosphere doesn't really for super Bowls don't really come through on 56 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.439 television because you've got a lot of the only people that can afford these are 57 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.839 or are the very well to do's and not the the uh, your regular 58 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:42.160 passion every day, So it doesn't It just seems like a it seems like 59 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:46.600 a very uh, subdued atmosphere for the Super Bowl rather than say an AFC 60 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:53.160 or NFC championship game where it gets crazy loud at these places. So yeah, 61 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.959 that's it's it's insane. John. Let's go back to the first game. 62 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:01.279 I'm old enough to remember the game U in nineteen sixty seven. I 63 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:05.600 was twelve thirteen years old, so it was a you know, preteen, 64 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:10.399 I guess they called him a teenager and very involved in Pop Warner football. 65 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.240 They played football my whole life. We'll talk a little bit about that later. 66 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:19.240 So I do remember the first Super Bowl. Do you were you old 67 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:23.000 enough to remember? You know? I was not. I wasn't born, 68 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.079 okay, but I do remember that that that was. It wasn't even called 69 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.959 the super Bowl then. It was called the NFL AFL Championship Game, right, 70 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.839 And I don't believe they called it the super Bowl until four or five 71 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:40.560 and five I think was the first time the first super Bowl when they when 72 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.279 they merged, So you know, that's that's that's one part of the reason 73 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.199 why those ticket prices were six bucks. I don't think anybody knew what to 74 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:51.000 make of it, that this that it was going to be quite so large, 75 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:56.399 And I believe the halftime show was something along the lines of a marching 76 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:00.120 band or or a dog catch at a frisbee, which which I think we 77 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:05.040 should go back to. I love those those halftime shows at the marching bands 78 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:09.000 and the guy dotting the ie in Ohio. Let's let's do that again. 79 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.680 Maybe the ticket prices will come down a little bit. Well, let's talk 80 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.800 a little bit about the game itself, that first game with the Green Bay 81 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:17.720 Packers and the Kansas City Chiefs, who are back in h and at the 82 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.720 time, and the Packers were still coached by Vince Lombardi at the time, 83 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:28.120 and where and then considered a traditional NFL powerhouse, and that the AFL team, 84 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:30.920 the Kansas City Chiefs, who had some great players in their own right, 85 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:35.199 couldn't compete, and as it turned out, they really didn't. Green 86 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:41.720 Bay won rather handily. But I remember, and some of that seems to 87 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:46.600 be lost now, the intense rivalry between leagues. Now now it's one league, 88 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:54.639 two conferences obviously NFC, AFC, impardon me, But with that said, 89 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:59.199 and that there were certain rivalries within, but I don't I don't think 90 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:02.800 it had the same intensity as that first game where the big boys on the 91 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:06.040 block, if you will, we're going to show the weaper snap and the 92 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:11.079 new kids what real football was about. And in the beginning, for the 93 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.040 first couple of years, they did, and your thoughts, I said, 94 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:16.600 you didn't see it, you don't remember it, but obviously as a sports 95 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:23.959 producer you're familiar with it. What what should people take out of that first 96 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:28.519 game, particularly as a game, Well, I think when you look at 97 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:33.399 the historical aspect of the Super Bowl, you realize it only took until the 98 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:39.319 third one for the upstart league to win, and then in the fourth one, 99 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:44.680 which really solidified that that the AFL was on level terms with the NFL. 100 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:49.720 It was those Chiefs that one that beat the Minnesota Vikings that year. 101 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:57.920 So you could even make the argument that the leagues, the two leagues were 102 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.920 all were more level than we thought in those first two years, but that 103 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.639 you had a the best of the best with those Green Bay teams going against 104 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:11.519 the team that was an upstar team that wasn't quite ready to win like they 105 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:16.639 were three years later with more experience. So it's I don't know if it 106 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.959 was the whole the leagues that were so far apart, but just those two 107 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.040 teams that they happened to face the best of the best. If somebody would 108 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:28.800 have upset the Packers to get in, say the Washington team had upset the 109 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.519 Packers and got in. It would had have would have been the same thing, 110 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:37.559 would the worst would a lower tier NFL team had beaten the Kansas City 111 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:43.960 Chiefs And and when you figure out the the the uh in the few years 112 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.080 that followed, maybe not, maybe maybe it wasn't. And I think the 113 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:52.679 with the the AFL being so quick to win games, win those Super Bowls, 114 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.039 it wasn't like the NFC won ten straight, but that the AFL was 115 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:00.240 able to win those Super Bowls, that it created a merger so quick. 116 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:07.879 Uh. And that's why that's why people now that look back and say that 117 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.480 Joe Namath was an overrated quarterback, look at his stats. He didn't complete 118 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:15.440 fifty percent of his passes. He didn't he had more interceptions than touchdowns. 119 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.519 They're missing the point because while Joe Namath may not have been the best player 120 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.159 to play in the NFL, I'll maintain and I do have biases as the 121 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:31.600 jetsman, but I will maintain that Joe Namath was the most important player in 122 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:37.759 NFL history because without that victory, who knows how long it would have taken 123 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:45.440 the AFL to gain traction and to eventually create and rather quickly create the modern 124 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.360 NFL that we know now, well, you know that's the perfect segue. 125 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.600 I was gonna it's on my list of questions. Again. People can't see 126 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.879 your say, can only hear us. But I'm holding up my notepad just 127 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:58.639 to prove that I actually can write, and I do take notes and do 128 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:05.639 too. Anyway I can confirm I see this list. Is that Jets win 129 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.000 over the Cults the most important super Bowl game? What? What are the 130 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:15.879 most important Super Bowl games? Significant? And why is it? Can you 131 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.480 or can you put them in any kind of an order? Could you consider 132 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.480 that the war? Well, when you're talking about importance, let's do important 133 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.960 I would put I would put three. I would put three in uh, 134 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.320 in that in that pantheon, I think that I think three is on a 135 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:37.120 list of its own in terms of importance. Uh. If you want to 136 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.360 talk about the Giants Bills super Bowl, that would that happened during the Gulf 137 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:46.720 War and everything that was going on. Uh with that, I would in 138 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.519 terms of in terms of maybe not the health of the league, but the 139 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.639 health of the country. I think you can put that as an important super 140 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.519 Bowl. Uh. And then you know the rest I would have to think 141 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:05.559 about. I think when you're talking about where you're going to talk about the 142 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.799 the progression of where the league is now and where the super Bowl is now. 143 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:15.279 Perhaps another important super Bowl was the Super Bowl where Michael Jackson was the 144 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:20.039 halftime performing artist, because then that paved the way for a lot of other 145 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:28.080 important A list musicians to play. They have phenomenon, right, more than 146 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.519 a game, right, Yeah, more than just a sporting event. So 147 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:35.240 you want to put that up there, I would say those three if you're 148 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:41.080 talking about importance in the progression of the league and of the and of the 149 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.480 game. He know, for you, well, what it sticks out in 150 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.600 your mind is some of the more exciting games, well played games, two 151 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.799 excellent teams battling it out for the full sixty minutes. I was just I 152 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.919 just had a highlight popped up of the Cardinals and the Steelers game. I 153 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:01.000 think that's a criminally underrated super Bowl that came down to the very end, 154 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.799 and that's one of those where the Steelers won. But if the Arizona Cardinals 155 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.519 had the ball last, they would have won, So I would put that 156 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.879 up there. The Rams Titans, I think was had a good ending, 157 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.720 although a boring first half. You could say that, and I think the 158 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.919 Super Bowl between the forty nine Ers and the Bengals was another one that you 159 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.159 could put up there in terms of coming down to the wire. And then, 160 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.679 of course, of course the comeback from twenty eight to three down by 161 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:37.720 the New England Patriots to beat the Atlanta Falcons goes up there. And that 162 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:43.360 Giants Bills game too, which came which came down to a last minute drive 163 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.399 by the Bills where for the first time all game they looked like the Bills. 164 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.240 They looked like that run and shoot offense that was going to gain yards 165 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.440 and chunks after the Giants had chewed up forty minutes worth of clock thanks to 166 00:12:54.440 --> 00:13:00.440 Otis Anderson, and then they get to field goal range and then got nor 167 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.720 what happens. So I think that those stand out are some really exciting ones. 168 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:11.320 The Chiefs Eagles last year was another good one the Chiefs, and then 169 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.360 they played another good one against San Francisco. The first game against San Francisco 170 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.840 was a was a very good one. I mentioned Otis Anderson, so I'm 171 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.399 going to inject the quick Otis Anderson story. He was signing Sports Illustrated's that 172 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.200 store and flushing and I brought my well, he was signing everything. I 173 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:31.879 brought my Sports Illustrated magazine with him on the cover for him to sign. 174 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:33.960 And I got there really late. I got a late start. He was 175 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:35.720 signing from twelve to one. I think I got there at like twelve fifty 176 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:37.960 five. I run up. I'm out of breath, and I'm like, 177 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.759 oh, thank god, you didn't leave. I wanted you to sign this. 178 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.519 And then he took it and he's signing it and he says, you're 179 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.360 very lucky because OJ is about to get on out of here. And I 180 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.919 love that he referred to himself in the third person. I thought that was 181 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:58.759 the coolest thing. You know. I actually have a Otis Anderson momento. 182 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:03.600 Also. I think he was making another appearance at a supermarket and signing tiny 183 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.799 little football so they haven't around here somewhere, but since Spotfish was not worth 184 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.360 holding it up. But yes, I have something signed by Otis Anderson as 185 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:16.840 well. It's a small world and talk about and he was a great player 186 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.879 and had a great Super Bowl game. Let's talk about some of the great 187 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.559 players and some of the great performances in Super Bowls. Who sticks out in 188 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.360 your mind? Well, you go back to when I was young, I 189 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:35.440 remember the legend being, the legendary players being those Pittsburgh Steelers teams of the 190 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:41.600 late seventies early eighties when Terry Bradshaw won four Super Bowls, Lynn Swan that 191 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.720 had had one tremendous Super Bowl where he made four catches but gained something ridiculous 192 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:52.519 like one hundred and well over one hundred yards one hundred and sixty something like 193 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.960 that. Yeah, So those teams and then watching those forty nine er teams 194 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:03.279 also with Joe Montana and Jerry Rice who was an amazing one of the best 195 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:09.759 Super Bowl players ever, and John Stalworth and Dwight Clark and that great defense 196 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:16.200 they had for multiple Super Bowls. And then and then in more recent times, 197 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:22.720 you've got Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes could win his third 198 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:28.480 Super Bowl next Sunday, and then that's when we're going to start to wonder, 199 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.559 well, can they get to that pantheon. They've got a chance to 200 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:37.519 be in that pantheon where the Patriots were where they won six because when you 201 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.759 look at the Chiefs now they're that team that they really showed me something this 202 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:48.200 year where they could win playoff games on the road and win playoff games when 203 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.279 everybody thought, well, they're not at their best, they're not the Chiefs 204 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.879 that we know and love, and yet here they are in the Super Bowl. 205 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:00.120 They find a way to keep building and finding complimentary players around Mahomes and 206 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:07.200 around Travis Kelcey and for Andy Reid to coach. I think the only thing 207 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.240 that will stop them down the line is if Reid decides to retire and they 208 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:14.480 make the wrong coaching hire to replace them. But for right now, this 209 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:19.840 Chiefs team can certainly be where the Patriots are when it's all said and done, 210 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.519 after Mahomes gets through. After the break, John, I want to 211 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:29.200 literally break down the matchup between the forty nine Ers and the Chiefs strengths, 212 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.360 weaknesses, best players, et cetera. But you know, it's it's in 213 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.120 thinking and go through my head. Some of the great players that in my 214 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:45.000 mind and what is I think very underrated as a player in general, had 215 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:51.639 a tremendous college career, pro career and tremendous Super bowls Marcus Allen and people 216 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:55.399 don't they talk about the great running backs and there Barry Sanders and Brown, 217 00:16:55.399 --> 00:17:00.799 et cetera. But certainly if you look at his statistics and big games, 218 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:06.119 also big time, big game player coming up big in those situations. Marcus 219 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:10.000 talent. Yeah, he might have had the single greatest run in Super Bowl 220 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:15.039 history where he ran a circle around fifteen yards behind the line of scrimmage and 221 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.480 then scored and then ran for sixty yards after that, where he probably ran 222 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.160 for a total of one hundred and twenty yards on that play. But if 223 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.720 if for people that have never seen it, that was possibly the most incredible 224 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.920 run from scrimmage in Super Bowl history, that Marcus Allen run against Washington when 225 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:37.599 the Raiders were in Los Angeles. So again, a great great segue. 226 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.319 What are some of the other great plays in Super Bowl history? Let's do 227 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.880 with the upside, in the downside, some of the faux pas. Let's 228 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.160 start with some of the great players, and then people don't often talk about 229 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.559 what are some of the big mistakes made in Super Bowls. First, when 230 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:57.079 we talked about the Marcus Allen run, I think of the great catch in 231 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:02.559 the Giants, the helmet catch David Tyree. I was going to bring that 232 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:07.640 up for sure. Some of the other really memorable plays in the Super Bowl, 233 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.880 the ones that stand out to me, I would probably say I would 234 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:18.279 put the helmet catch up there as well. I would put the an underrated 235 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.440 one would be the Kenny King interception in Super Bowl ten when the Raiders beat 236 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:29.720 the Eagles, the seventy five yard interception return the last second touchdown from Joe 237 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:37.839 Montana to I believe John Taylor to win that Super Bowl against Cincinnati, And 238 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:44.839 I think I want to highlight this one because everybody thinks this was a mistake 239 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.359 by Pete Carroll, and you could certainly argue that. But the play where 240 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.440 he passed from the one yard line on first down when everybody said he should 241 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:56.119 have given the ball to Marshawn and that may be true, and this could 242 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:00.359 actually be on both lists, But the defensive back for the Patriot and I 243 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.079 can't, I can't think of his name off the top of my head. 244 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.400 He made a spectacular play that play. If you look at the high angle, 245 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:12.799 all twenty two of that that that pass play fulled ten of the Patriots, 246 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.799 but it didn't fool the eleventh one. And the eleventh guy who made 247 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:23.079 that play and made the interception should be given more credit for for what he 248 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:26.640 did on that play. Then then Carol should get playing blame, and Carol 249 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.240 should get blamed. But I think that was probably one of the key plays, 250 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.799 one of the best plays in Super Bowl history. And and also let's 251 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:38.599 not forget the last second tackle. Kevin Dyson was tackled at the one yard 252 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:42.160 line at the last play of the game by the linebacker for the Rams again 253 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:47.480 another name I can't remember, but that's probably one of the most important plays 254 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.480 that you could that I could that I could come up with for sure. 255 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.440 All right, let's flip that coin. Whether some of the faux pause some 256 00:19:55.559 --> 00:20:00.400 of the owners as they say, well, Carol should should have given the 257 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.640 ball to Marshaun Lynch, so we'll put him on that list as well. 258 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:08.400 Uh. And of course I think you have to look at the leon Let 259 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.720 play when the Cowboys were up it didn't cost them the Super Bowl, but 260 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:15.680 when they were up big and he was dancing and holding the ball and almost 261 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.559 almost as if daring don Beebe to come behind him and knock the ball, 262 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:26.359 and he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Scott nor would kick. 263 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:29.599 Although I mean next, missed field goals are missed field goals. They 264 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.519 happen. It's just unfortunate. I wouldn't call it a faux paw uh. 265 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:38.440 And then I think probably the entire second half by the Falcons in the game 266 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:42.839 against New England, where I was just sitting there watching that game, just 267 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:48.359 saying, all right, if Atlanta makes one more play, this is over 268 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.920 one more play. And they did not make one single play the rest of 269 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.119 that game. So I would just take that whole big chunk of time in 270 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.759 that Super Bowl and say that was a PA and I'll throw one more at 271 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:07.440 you. Sure the refereeing the referees in the Steelers Seahawks game Super Bowl forty, 272 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:12.720 who were absolutely positively awful. Seattle should have won that game. That 273 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.920 was the worst, easily the worst game the referees have had in the Super 274 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:22.000 Bowl. No, they're human beings too, and right they make mistakes just 275 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.240 like players. But it's unfortunate that, you know, you don't want a 276 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:30.680 referee influence something game that much one way or the other. But let's talk 277 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:36.440 a little bit about the game since nineteen sixty seven to today, how what's 278 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.119 really stands out in your mind. Obviously, nothing stays the same. Everything 279 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:45.000 changes, the rules, there are changes, but the basic core of football 280 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.440 is the same. But Beyond that, what are some of the major changes 281 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:55.680 that identified football now than in nineteen sixty seven. Well, we've talked about 282 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:00.759 we've talked about the largest of the game, of the Super Bow ball itself, 283 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:06.759 with it being about everything instead of the game or in addition to the 284 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:08.720 game. And if you're going to talk about the game itself, it's definitely 285 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:14.359 a lot more at a lot more wide open now. But I think the 286 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.559 largest of the Super Bowl can be encapsulated in the fact that we have a 287 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:23.799 Super Bowl in Las Vegas. Las Vegas. If you have thought twenty years 288 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:27.960 ago or maybe even ten years ago, you could you have envisioned not just 289 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:34.440 the Super Bowl, but so many professional and college sports happening in Las Vegas, 290 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:41.480 where twenty years ago everybody was scared to have any sort of sports near 291 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:45.200 casinos or sports books. That you thought that it would be the death knell 292 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:49.599 of the league if everybody that played in Las Vegas would start gambling on their 293 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:55.039 own teams and whatnot. And you know, that's another large conversation for another 294 00:22:55.079 --> 00:23:00.160 time about the partnership between gambling and professional sports. But I think that's I 295 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.720 think that's a major change in the Super Bowl that we have a game in 296 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.119 Las Vegas. We have You know, when when the when the NBA had 297 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:10.839 their All Star Game in nineteen ninety eight, everybody said that that was such 298 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:14.559 a disaster in terms of the players and that what was going on behind the 299 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:18.279 scenes in the game, and you thought that that moment, Vegas will never 300 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:21.720 have professional sports. Now they're there. They've got two pro teams, a 301 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:27.079 super Bowl, they've got five or six college basketball conference tournaments there, uh, 302 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:32.079 and they're about to get a baseball team maybe. So it's it's just 303 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:34.759 I think just with that a super Bowl in Las Vegas, you could have 304 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:41.319 never imagined that. But that's where we've gotten where You've got these big these 305 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:45.680 these big events happening in Vegas, and you've got these big stadiums now that 306 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:52.960 you have super Bowls in that they're basically uh rotating between places like Vegas and 307 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.200 the New Sofi Stadium and Jerry's World in Dallas, and then you throw in 308 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:02.240 Arizona and Tampa and Detroit, uh for those stadiums. So yeah, I 309 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:04.519 think that's the I think that's the biggest difference to me, and the size 310 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:10.200 of the stadium and the cities that they're in what about the physical game itself? 311 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.880 John, the actual game of football. And I want to talk about 312 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:18.799 and lead into players. I mean as a former player, and I played 313 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:22.640 god in the seventies, and you know, and I tell people when I 314 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:25.920 was in college, I played at about one hundred and ninety one hundred and 315 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:29.799 ninety five pounds as a safety, which in the seventies was okay, pretty 316 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:33.839 sizable for that particular position. They would laugh at me. Today I get 317 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:40.039 killed even at my best. You might be a kicker today, not even 318 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:45.880 look at the size of the kickers. But obviously I think that the game 319 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:52.359 itself has has adjusted because of the increased physicality of the players. I mean, 320 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.559 you know, and I we obviously work together at CBS, and I 321 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.119 did do some sports, And I'm telling you, standing on the sidelines an 322 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.759 NFL game when they run an in sweep is literally frightening. The players are 323 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:08.400 so big, they're so fast, it's almost like they're sucking the air at 324 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:12.640 the atmosphere as they are running. It's if you're not prepared for it, 325 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:18.519 it can literally frighten you. So is it fair to say with that? 326 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.359 And you can just look at the rosters where years in sixty seven, maybe 327 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.880 the Packers had two or three guys at three hundred pounds. Now the entire 328 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.680 offensive line is three hundred plus pounds. It's and they can move, and 329 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.920 they move, they can move their nimble. Put a license plate on that 330 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:38.119 guy. So is it fair to say players are just flat out better today 331 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:42.160 or is that an inaccurate statement? What are your feelings? Could some of 332 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:47.279 the players from from sixty seven still compete today? I guess is the best 333 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:49.319 way to put it. I think that's a great quo. That last part 334 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:52.720 of it was a great question. Yes, athletes are so much better today 335 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:59.240 than they were. They have access to training methods and dietary knowledge that they 336 00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:03.359 never had in the sixties or the fifties or the forties. Uh we had. 337 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.440 I was having this discussion and and and and not to get too off 338 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.400 track, but that's that. That's kind of where the game is going. 339 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.680 They I think the game is recognized that how big these players are, how 340 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.599 fast these players are, and they've changed their rules to try to make the 341 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:23.079 game safer. Right, the rules are so much different now where you don't 342 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:30.599 see those hard hits that were celebrated in in highlight clips and video games, 343 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:34.039 and now you just don't have that because it's too You know that there's enough 344 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:41.599 evidence with with with with with the CTE that the league is pushing to make 345 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:48.720 play make players safety a a priority, And it's an evolving thing, but 346 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.799 it does when when you put in more of these things about player safety, 347 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.160 more rules to keep the players safe, it does change the game. And 348 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:02.240 that's how the evolution goes. In terms of what you're asking about a player 349 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:06.319 from the sixties coming in now. I always like to say it because we've 350 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:10.720 had this conversation about Babe Ruth, and I'll apply it to football. If 351 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:18.079 you take the guy, let's say Norm van Brocklin, right, I'll just 352 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.440 put a quarterback, and you take Norm van Brocklin from nineteen fifty and you 353 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.200 drop him into twenty twenty four, would he be successful? Probably not. 354 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:33.880 Now, if you take the infant Van Brocklin and put him in to two 355 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.440 thousand and expose him to the methods and the training that they have today, 356 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.640 would Norm Van Brockln be a Hall of Famer in this league? Sure? 357 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:47.119 Absolutely? And I think that's what it's really all all about. It's not 358 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.559 just you can't take Babe Ruth and drop him into twenty twenty three and expect 359 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:56.799 him, expect the guy of that size and that physical ability to be any 360 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.599 good here. But if you take Babe Ruth, if Babe Ruth was born 361 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:07.119 in nineteen ninety five or two thousand and had the upbringing that these guys have, 362 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:10.920 would Babe Ruth be hit seven hundred home runs? He come damn close. 363 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:17.240 He certainly wouldn't look like what he does. And he would also be 364 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:23.279 a huge social media star because you could tell from his personality back then that 365 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:30.000 he would have taken to Twitter and TikTok and Instagram and he would have owned 366 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.319 all of those things. So I just figured I would throw that in. 367 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.759 That's terrific, you know, John, I want to talk a little bit 368 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:38.839 about the rule changes before we go to break and really get into the game 369 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:45.319 itself and the teams and the players. You know, you hear a lot 370 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.960 of complaints about the new game. Oh it's soft, it's you know, 371 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.759 they be couse, they protect the quarterback and no targeting. As I remember 372 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.880 as a former player, they would encourage you to make hits like that. 373 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:03.000 We actually called it spearing, which is now illegal. But you know, 374 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.279 when you think about it going forward. Again, As we said, with 375 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.960 the incredible physicality of these players, I just wanted to put it into a 376 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:14.359 certain perspective. Having played football on the high school and college and semi pro 377 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.079 level for a little while, and having also been in an auto accident, 378 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.119 I can tell you some of the collisions are exactly the same. You know, 379 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:29.960 it's just that physical and if you want to maintain some of that physicality 380 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.880 and yet to keep players literally alive, I believe those changes had to be 381 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:40.359 made. Your thoughts, Yeah, I think you certainly had to. It's 382 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.440 because the game was going in a direction where somebody would have been seriously, 383 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.480 seriously hurt. I mean, you look at what happened to DeMar Hamlin. 384 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.480 That was such an innocuous hit, but it was in the right spot at 385 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.319 the right time, and that's what happens. I remember when a puck hit 386 00:29:55.400 --> 00:30:00.279 Chris Pronger right here, and it's just it's it's a one in a million, 387 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.519 And the same thing happened to Chris Pronger. It's a one in a 388 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:10.599 million shot. The way it was going, however, uh you it would 389 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.799 have been way more than one in a million. Uh if if if it 390 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.519 had gone this way and they had to change the rules. And but more 391 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.319 so, you have to change the way players are taught. And like you 392 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.279 said, that goes down to the high school level, that goes down to 393 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:30.960 the Pop Warner level. Uh and uh and again with players player safety being 394 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:36.359 so paramount, they're looking at ending. They were looking at ending tackle football 395 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.480 for uh, for nine to twelve year olds in California. Uh. And 396 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:44.640 I know one of the compromises some of the schools eliminate kickoffs because so many 397 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.759 injuries happen on kickoffs. Yeah, and they've talked about eliminating kickoffs in the 398 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.599 NFL also really Yeah, So it's it's I don't know if that'll ever happen. 399 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.599 They've made so many changes to that to make it kind of safe, 400 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.440 but it's uh, it's certainly something that they're looking at. I keep thinking 401 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.039 of. You know, when they talked about what Aaron Hernandez, Aaron Hernandez 402 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:08.759 was going through within his brain and which caused everything to happen to him. 403 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.519 That he was when he played those lower levels, he was the bigger, 404 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.599 the biggest guy on the field. It was twice the size of these other 405 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.400 kids. So he would just put his head down and run when he was 406 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.720 like a twelve thirteen year old and what did that do to him? You 407 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:29.680 know what those blows back then, that started back then. But it's it's 408 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.559 it's yeah, it's the way that things are going because you don't. What 409 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.079 the NFL doesn't want, what no pro speds pro sports league wants is somebody 410 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:44.440 to die during lay certainly not for something that could have been prevented, right 411 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.000 right, John, So much more to talk about. We got to talk 412 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.079 about the game itself. The two teams, two of the best teams have 413 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.440 finally made it. They are both excellent, They're not perfect, so we'll 414 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.400 talk about why they're excellent and where they might be weak, some of the 415 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:07.000 great players on both teams, and much more coming up on this Being Frank. 416 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:12.559 My guest is CBS Sports producer and my friend John Coppinger. We're talking 417 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.680 everything super Bowls. Don't go away. 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This evening, we're talking everything super Bowl fifty eight with CBS Sports 442 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:28.559 producer, creator and author of Metstradamis an award winning blog, and so much 443 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.679 more, my friend John Coppinger. John, we talked a little bit about 444 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:36.559 history of the game and how things have changed and rules, but let's talk 445 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:42.440 about this game itself. The Kansas City Chiefs and the San Francisco forty nine 446 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:49.159 ers pretty much the best teams throughout the year in their respective conferences. Both 447 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.519 had long winning streaks, small losing streaks, but overall well balanced teams that 448 00:34:54.679 --> 00:35:00.599 deserve to be in the Super Bowl super Bowl in this particularly who's the home 449 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:07.239 team? John? I lost that. I believe it's San Francisco because it 450 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.000 was whatever it was four years ago, it's the same now and I believe 451 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:16.719 that the I believe that the Niners were wearing their dark uniform. So I'm 452 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:21.400 gonna go with the Niners being the supposed home team. Okay, so let's 453 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.559 start with Kansas City. Man, traditionally start with the visiting team. What 454 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:29.880 what are some of their strengths? What what makes Kansas City worthy of a 455 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:34.239 Super Bowl? Well? I think Patrick Mahomes for sure. When you have 456 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:39.280 a talent like that, you you have a chance to win any any game, 457 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:45.320 any season. He is the great equalizer. And I think there was 458 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.000 a lot of times when the Chiefs were going through their downstretch early in the 459 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.320 year, when they didn't know what they were going to get from guys like 460 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:58.199 Rashid Rice and Isaiah Pacheco, Rutgers guy. Yes that that that Mahomes would 461 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.079 win games by himself. I think he won. He won the Jets game 462 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.639 by himself. You know, the Jets should have beat the Chiefs that night, 463 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.599 but Mahomes was what was had a great game. And that's the again, 464 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.960 that is always the uh, the joker card in the deck. But 465 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.079 now that they've now that, everybody has seemed to catch up to the to 466 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.679 Mahomes, like guys like Rice and guys like Pacheco and uh and Kelsey's Kelsey's 467 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:28.400 having a great run in these playoffs. Now. I think what they what 468 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:34.599 they do well is they adapt to their situation. They played at the strengths 469 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.199 of their players. They don't Andy Reid doesn't come in with this, Okay, 470 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.920 I've won it this way, so we're gonna do it this way and 471 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.320 this way and this way. No, he sees what he has and he 472 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.480 works to those strengths. And I think that's commendable in an NFL coach. 473 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.800 Not a lot of NFL coaches will do that. In fact, there are 474 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.960 some NFL coaches that committed malpractice this season when it comes to when it when 475 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.239 it comes to trying to ram their own ideas home and and not play to 476 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:07.400 the strengths of your team, of their teams. So certainly and certainly they 477 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:14.239 they they've gone from a an aerial Coriel type attack a few years a few 478 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.519 years ago to a running and defense type team. They're winning games with their 479 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:22.760 defense as well. Uh, they've got they've got a guy who's going to 480 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:24.079 be out for the Super Bowl. I leave his name is ashum Way. 481 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:29.480 Uh, that's gonna hurt them. But if we know anything, if we 482 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.760 know anything about the Chiefs, we know that they're a team you never doubt 483 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.360 anymore. They're a team that they're They've got guys hurt, Okay, next 484 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:42.159 man up. Everybody says it, but the Chiefs live by it. So 485 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:49.599 I certainly don't think that you can you can write them off from any game 486 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:53.920 anymore. They've they it's it's that consistent talent and the and the and the 487 00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:59.280 ability to bring new players in and get them up to speed and if and 488 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.719 if those players don't work out, we'll I have another one or two that'll 489 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:07.400 come in. So I think it's their adaptability that has gotten them to this 490 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:13.639 super Bowl. One of the things I want to say about Pat mahomes phenomenal 491 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.800 athlete he is, and what has always impressed me is how even in the 492 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.559 biggest game situations and it's like he drops the game into a sandlot. I 493 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:27.920 mean, he plays like I used to play as a kid with you know, 494 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.480 with nobody watching and no pressure or just have you know, really in 495 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:37.800 a sense, just having fun using his given ability to the maximum without fear. 496 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.800 And also the coach, and that's a big thing in trusting him and 497 00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.880 trusting in his skill, allowing him to play like that, you know, 498 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:51.599 within that system. And then you mentioned how Andy Reid allows players to flourish 499 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:53.800 within a certain system. There are a lot of coaches Oh no, no, 500 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:57.760 you don't scramble like oh, you don't flip the ball, and yet 501 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.400 he does it, he does it successfully. That's always really impressed me. 502 00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:06.519 Look at what John Harbaugh did to Lamar Jackson in the AFC Championship game. 503 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.519 He tried to make Jackson a pure pocket passer instead of relying on the running 504 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.760 game, which which got the Ravens to the AFC Championship playing game. But 505 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.000 by god, he was gonna ram his Uh, we're gonna oh, I 506 00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.440 got a great idea. We're gonna fool the Chiefs and we're gonna throw the 507 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.880 ball all over the place and it cost them a chance at the Super Bowl. 508 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.719 And I just did a podcast with my buddy Jake Stevens and he came 509 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.760 up with the hashtag ogg T. Do you know what that stands for? 510 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:39.320 Overpaid glorified gym teachers? Wow? And that's what some of the that's what 511 00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.800 some of these that it came from watching some of these college coaches, but 512 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.119 it applies to the pros too. They were they all try to reinvent the 513 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:52.719 wheel. They all tried to outsmart everybody instead of just knowing what you got 514 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.800 and playing to their strengths. Andy reidid it and John Harbaugh did not. 515 00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.800 They used to say, when I was a kid, you got to dance 516 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:06.599 with who brung you right, exactly like the old sub weaknesses weaknesses Again, 517 00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:09.840 I think it's gonna be injury. And what the Chiefs don't want is there 518 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.159 is what's been happening to them in the middle part of the season has dropped 519 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:20.119 passes. It's they had a lot of drops this this year and it contributed 520 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:27.079 to their slide where they struggled to win the division this year. But they 521 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:30.679 they that hasn't been a problem in the playoffs. So as long as that's 522 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.000 as long as that's settled, the only thing that could beat the Chiefs I 523 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.480 think is the are the injuries being more of a factor than they hoped that 524 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:45.400 they would be. Okay, San Francisco strengths. The strength is that they've 525 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.480 got a loaded roster. They've got they are loaded at every position. They 526 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:57.199 went and got They went and acquired Christian McCaffrey last year, they've acquired more. 527 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.840 They've they acquired Chase Young this year for defense, so they really have 528 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.880 a loaded all star roster. And what's been impressive about them is that, 529 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.320 you know, the Niners have had something like an oer to twenty seven record 530 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:13.880 when they were losing in the fourth quarter under Kyle Shanahan, and they just 531 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.519 got their first two wins in that situation, in the most important wins of 532 00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:22.199 the year in the playoffs. I think we're seeing how good Brock Party is. 533 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.599 Rock Party got hurt last year along with a few other of their quarterbacks, 534 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:29.360 and they didn't have they they didn't have a chance against the Eagles, 535 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.840 so I think they've been waiting to see what Party can do for them. 536 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.119 And everybody called them a game manager, which is which kind of looked ridiculous. 537 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:40.400 The way he he came back and used his arm and his legs to 538 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.119 beat the Detroit Lions in the NFC Championship game. I think he really showed 539 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:50.440 us a lot. So's irrelevant anymore, No, not anymore, for sure. 540 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.079 And I love that they beat a team in the Lions that had the 541 00:41:53.400 --> 00:42:00.840 number one ranked player in the draft with the quarterback with the last wrecked draftee 542 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:05.119 in the league. So yeah, I just I think they're loaded, and 543 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.199 I think and if we can go to weaknesses, you know, they do 544 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:14.840 have a they do have a tendency to kind of to kind of lapse in 545 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:21.400 certain uh in certain directions and defensively, uh for sure. But I think 546 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.000 I think if they stick to what got them there, just like what we 547 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:30.239 said about the Ravens not sticking to what got them there, As long as 548 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:35.840 San Francisco lets their players play, I think they can beat the Chiefs. 549 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.239 I don't know if they will, because the Chiefs really do seem like that 550 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:47.000 impenetrable force where you just they've got They've got all this talent and the intangibles. 551 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.280 But I think if if San Francis, I think what San Francisco needs 552 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:55.239 to do is is rely on their best players to get them where they need 553 00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.440 to be and not forget about anybody. You've got players all over the field. 554 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.920 Use them, Use George Kittle, use Brandon, I use Deebo Samuel 555 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:10.239 if he's healthy, use Christian McCaffrey. Keep your offense nimble and and adjust 556 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:15.440 accordingly, and and keep keep the chiefs, defense guessing and if they've got 557 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.760 UH, if they've got a weakness because they're missing the guy in the defensive 558 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:24.280 line, exploit that. Exploit it with screens, exploit it with with with 559 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:29.800 short passes that you can that you can get around them, and UH and 560 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.679 on defense, don't play two safeties high and give Patrick Mahomes all day to 561 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.800 pick apart the middle of the field. Right now, a lot of great 562 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.239 matchups, ones that stick out in my mind. Two of the best tight 563 00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:45.679 ends, uh going ahead to head. Of course they don't compete against directly 564 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:51.920 against one another, but two outstanding tight ends for both San Francisco and Kansas 565 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.400 City. UH. They're they're they're fun to watch. Big, physical, 566 00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:00.320 athletic, you know, that's what fries. These guys are six six six 567 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:05.039 seven two d and fifty two hundred and sixty pounds and move like wide receivers. 568 00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:10.400 Guys. It's again to appreciate the skill level of someone that big, 569 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.840 that could be that athletic at the same time as exceptional. And they're also 570 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:19.519 physical. They like to be physical, they like to run into people. 571 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.840 So I I that's one of the matchups I'm looking forward to. What are 572 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.320 your thoughts on that, Well, certainly that's that's a marquee matchup. And 573 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:30.559 when you look at both matchups where you're talking about those tight ends against the 574 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:34.480 other team's defense. Kelsey's been on such a run lately, I think it's 575 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.800 going to be a hefty challenge for the Niners to contain them. You know, 576 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:43.239 the Ravens tried to use Kyle Hamilton against them, and early on it 577 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.920 did not work. It did not work out well, but you know, 578 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.519 he got the hang of it later on. You know, that Ravens defense 579 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.639 help shuck them out in the second half. Great hard nosed player, they 580 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.320 have that great matchup. So I think that I think that when you're looking, 581 00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:58.480 I think that's going to be a key matchup on that side of the 582 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.199 ball. How are the forty nine ers gonna scheme so that they can keep 583 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:06.880 Travis Kelcey from from hurting them and keep the Chiefs from hurting them on third 584 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.880 down like they did against the Ravens, So I think, and certainly Kelsey 585 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.800 is a huge part of that. So I think shutting him down will put 586 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.239 some pressure on the other players perhaps, So that's there They're gonna have to 587 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:22.639 scheme like nobody's business to shut to shut Kelsey down. But that's the challenge 588 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.519 in shutting down the Chiefs offense. You can't shut one player down and have 589 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.360 the rest of it collapse. Uh But but if you're if you're gonna choose 590 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.960 one guy to key on, Kelsey is that guy to key on. If 591 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.159 you could take away that big of a weapon for Patrick Mahomes, that'll make 592 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.480 his life at least a little more difficult. And on the other side, 593 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.079 I think we've forgotten about George Kittle because there are so many other weapons on 594 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.800 the on the Niners, because there's Samuel, because there's Ayuk, because there's 595 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:54.559 McCaffrey. Uh yeah, but check us forgive me yes, right right right. 596 00:45:54.920 --> 00:46:00.159 But I think that certainly Hittle is more of an X factor, whereas 597 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:04.480 Kelsey's more of a main player. Kittle's a guy you don't want to forget 598 00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.800 about because you look it. Against the Lions, he was quiet and then 599 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.920 he had one or two big catches in those drives that that helped him because 600 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:16.039 he went he saw the where the openings were and he exploited them, and 601 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:20.840 brock Purty hit him at the right time. So I think that's somebody where. 602 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.960 Okay, Kittle's gonna lie in the weeds. But you know how good 603 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:27.159 he is. You've said how good, how big and physical he is. 604 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:31.360 But he's also very athletic and can certainly break break the backs of the Chiefs 605 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:37.039 defense with long gains thirty forty yards at a time. So I think that's 606 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.400 gonna be He's gonna play a little bit of a different role than Kelsey does, 607 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:44.480 but I think he can. He can. He might be a little 608 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:49.119 bit more of a home run hitter than Kelsey is, where Kelsey is more 609 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.719 of a singles hitter. And when I say singles hitter, I mean like 610 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.559 each he ro singles hitter, like elite of the elite singles hitter. So 611 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.800 I think it's gonna be exciting to watch those two players go at it. 612 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:01.719 All Right, yall, it's that time. We've gone about forty eight minutes 613 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:07.599 in. We have to talk about Yes, you warned me this know you 614 00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:12.119 know where I'm going. I promise it wouldn't be the whole show, But 615 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.039 we've got to talk about t and t Yes, Travis and Taylor or Taylor 616 00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.079 and Travis, however you want to put it. You'd have to be living 617 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.920 in a rock to not know what we're talking about. Right now, let's 618 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.800 get right to it. Is it good for the game? John? Is 619 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:30.559 it bad? As you would be ignoring it? Should we give it as 620 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:36.199 much attention? What is it all about? I think is it good for 621 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.039 the game is kind of an incongruous question because the game is the game. 622 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:46.360 The game is not going to change because of anybody's girlfriend or wife. They 623 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:51.079 will they will be there too. You know, there's Travis keller. Despite 624 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:55.840 what we're led to believe, Travis Kelcey is not the first NFL player to 625 00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:01.079 have a girlfriend. I think that's how we've treated sometimes, and I think 626 00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:07.840 that's that's where a lot of people's frustration. Famous are right exactly exactly, 627 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.000 But I I don't think we should be asking is she good for the game? 628 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.079 But I think there is one thing to watch as we as we move 629 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:19.280 forward with this and and listen, this is the Super Bowl. We know 630 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.239 that everything outside the game is gonna is going to be front and center. 631 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:28.599 So we're gonna have some You're going to see Taylor Swift all throughout the Super 632 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.480 Used to it, get used to it, exactly. But here's the question, 633 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:37.039 because viewership is set records for the last couple of playoff games, the 634 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:42.280 streaming game against Miami. You know that the Chiefs being on streaming, that 635 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.800 was no accident. They knew that they would get they would get streamers people 636 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:52.119 to sign up for Peacock because it was the Chiefs and Taylor Swift bringing new 637 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:59.599 fans to the games exactly. But you brought it up there's there's bringing new 638 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.480 fans of the game, but are they going to stay for the game? 639 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.400 And I think this is where the NFL. Everybody asks, well, is 640 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:12.159 Travis gonna put a ring on it? Here's what I'm asking, Is the 641 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.480 NFL going to put a ring on it? Because I'm sure, let's say, 642 00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.719 you know, what's the record for Super Bowl viewership one hundred and five 643 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.039 million? I think it is, it's going to be one hundred and twenty 644 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:27.719 easy, easy, and probably north of that. How do you get that 645 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.400 audience to stay? Because also, not just the NFL, it's all pro 646 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:36.320 sports that want that casual fan, okay, but not every sport knows how 647 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.800 to hold on to that casual fan. So this is what I'm looking for. 648 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:45.559 I think what the NFL probably wants is for the tailor effect to stay. 649 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.119 How do you get the tailor effect to stay? Yeah, you can 650 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.840 hope that she comes to every Chiefs game ever in life, and that's one 651 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.679 way to do it. But you're leaving so much to chance there. I 652 00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.360 think what you're going to see is a more permanent relationship between the NFL and 653 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:06.599 Taylor Swift. Hey, that jacket she wore at the Miami game that was 654 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.599 designed by the wife of Kyle Jusika from the forty nine ers. What if 655 00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:15.320 we put out a Taylor Swift line of jackets that you can only buy at 656 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:20.239 NFL stadiums, then you get a whole audience, no new audience coming to 657 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.920 NFL games to support not only Travis Kelcey, but their favorite player in the 658 00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:30.280 same type jacket that Taylor Swift war during the game against Miami. Oh, 659 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.119 I can get that for I can get that for a jacket like that for 660 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.480 Garrett Wilson. I could get a jacket like that for Trevor Lawrence. Wow, 661 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.280 sign sign me up. And I think something like that is going to 662 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:46.280 happen in the future where where the NFL and Taylor Swift will not only be 663 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:52.679 two ships passing in the night and it won't be just a happy accident that 664 00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.800 the viewers are coming. I think there's gonna be something more concrete in the 665 00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.440 next few months. That's just my total guess, and I think that's what 666 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.320 the end because the NFL wants the tailor effect to stay. They don't want 667 00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.159 to swell to one hundred and twenty five million viewers for this Super Bowl and 668 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.599 then go right back down to one hundred and five if the Chiefs aren't in 669 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:15.679 it. They want that, if they want those new fans to stay. 670 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:19.519 How do you do it? You make Taylor Swift a more permanent part of 671 00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.000 the game. You get them, You get the new fans more involved in 672 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:27.320 the game and not just watching for cutaways of Taylor Swift, and then on 673 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:30.840 and on and on, and it turns into more consistent, higher viewership, 674 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:37.679 more consistent merchandising and merchandise sales. So that's what I think we're going to 675 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.000 be looking for. Not is she good for the game, but is she 676 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:43.280 good for business. She's already proven that it's good. It's good business for 677 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.480 the NFL. Now how do you get it to stay? That's going to 678 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.519 be what we what we answer in the next in the coming, days, 679 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.800 weeks, months, years, they should hire you in there if the NFL 680 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:54.760 should hire you in their marketing departments. So that's pretty sure. I am 681 00:51:54.760 --> 00:52:00.199 the lie. No way should be marketing anything. All right, John, 682 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.119 time to put you on the spot one more time, one last time. 683 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:08.000 Predictions scores, winners, losers, give it to us. I picked against 684 00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:10.840 the Chiefs the last two games. I'm not going to make that same mistake. 685 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.599 I think San Francisco can win the game. I don't think they will 686 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:21.719 win the game. I think Kansas City is Kansas City, and I'm gonna 687 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.039 I'm gonna predict it by the same score I predicted four years ago. I 688 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:29.280 will say Kansas City thirty two, San Francisco twenty four. Well, sounds 689 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.639 like it'll be a great game. And you you people can't see you again 690 00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.599 because we only stream audio, but you're wearing a shirt. That's that really 691 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:39.599 is the ultimate. Let me read it for you. As John holds it 692 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:44.440 up, and his final thought is I just hope both teams had fun. 693 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.039 That's all that matters. It's all that counts. Nobody get hurt, Everybody 694 00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.880 have fun, and let's and it'll We'll hope for a good game. And 695 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:59.519 an entertaining game and a game that people will remember, maybe perhaps even more 696 00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:01.880 than the come Marshall's and the halftime show. Well, John, I certainly 697 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.440 had fun with being frank with you tonight. Thank you so much. Always 698 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.400 a pleasure to have you anytime. I'd love to come back anytime. Thank 699 00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:12.000 you. We got two more to go. We get you that five spot 700 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.280 jacket. I'll be ready, I'm ready, I'm ready. I'll get you 701 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:19.920 my measurements. And of course you offer special thanks to our listeners who take 702 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.280 the time to give us a voice in their lives. Remember we offer a 703 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:27.199 fresh topic every week. You can catch us wherever and whenever you get your 704 00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.480 favorite podcasts and includes Apple, Spotify, I Heeart Radio, and all the 705 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:35.880 others. Check us out on the Hudson River Radio Facebook page. Leave us 706 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:39.760 a comment too. We also ask you to consider being frank with others. 707 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:45.239 I'd like to leave you always. Two last things. One of the little 708 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.920 inspirational slogan. I hope it's inspirational and in some great original music. And 709 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.800 this one comes from General of the Army in World War Two, George C. 710 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:57.199 Marshall, and I've passed it many times in games that I've covered at 711 00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:01.079 Mikey Stadium at West Point, and for me, it sums up why people 712 00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.880 play this crazy game of football, and it says this, I need an 713 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:10.280 officer for a secret and dangerous mission. I need a West Point football player. 714 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.880 So that's from George C. Marshall. And we've got some special music 715 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:20.840 tonight from a very very special friend who's finally back at home after a serious 716 00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.360 health scare. And I think from the outpouring of love and support, he 717 00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:29.159 knows how many people love him. The love for him is beyond measure. 718 00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:34.440 And of course we're talking about tim O'donoiu, a great troubadour, storyteller, 719 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:40.320 musician, father, just everything his tim o'dee one of the most loved men 720 00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:45.719 in our circle. He's home, he's recovering, he's healing. We wish 721 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.199 him all good health into the future, and we want to celebrate his return 722 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:54.440 home with his song keeping score from his album A Little Bit of All Right. 723 00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:58.559 For our engineer, Neil Richter. I'm your host, Frank Lebono, 724 00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.079 and we hope to have you join us for the next being. Frank, 725 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:19.000 We're the only way to be is Frank one two three, You were the 726 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:27.119 kind I was too blind to see all of the things you were gonna do 727 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:35.639 to me. Wishing I could tell you what your eyes looked like a dawn 728 00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:55.320 crazy blue nd bloodshine as you ran across the lawn. I shouldn't learned, 729 00:55:55.360 --> 00:56:04.039 because I been birned so many times before. Ell' dricking irish whiskey, dragging 730 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:09.199 my ass off of the floor. I won't take no more phone calls. 731 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:16.639 Your email addresses black. The only thing I missing about you. That's how 732 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:23.880 we used to rock. That's a broken runs line on my bedroom floor, 733 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:34.480 lakes trap tight around me, thanking me for smiling, sigh said, come 734 00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:40.440 inside, well, no, you're keeping the score another night around my back 735 00:56:40.599 --> 00:57:30.960 well one, I'm good for forever. It's just another word that just said 736 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:38.360 to me. Let them know that you're looking for something only you can't see. 737 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:44.239 Stand up strong, tell me along. If not what I'm supposed to 738 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:51.000 do. You told me a story, only part of which was true. 739 00:57:52.880 --> 00:58:01.599 Red Brugan promise, line of les rap tier around me. I'm making you 740 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:07.639 for home, smiling, sigh said, come inside, well, know you're 741 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:43.679 keeping school nemer night on my back way, knowing I'm moving two three four 742 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.639 Hudson River radio dot com, MHM,