Yo, what's up everybody at zantamac Here from Anna Apper, Welcome to another
episode the One Piece Virgin Podcast. We are back after a hiatus that wasn't
that long, Okay, this time, it wasn't that long. And Egghead
Island is still going on, so it's not like, uh, it's not
like we skipped an arc or something. We're still a Egghead although it is
wrapping up and there's a lot to talk about. So joining me today,
we got the usual suspects. Goes in and breaks, what goes good?
Good to be here, always fun to do One Piece Virgin. I'm happy
it's been what like two and a half months. That's that's good for us.
Yeah, there was a break, so that's true. We're covering like
eight chapters because you know, there was quite a few breaks with Oda taking
some time off and all this other stuff. So you know, we're good.
We're good. We gotta love how the crazy hype announcement has been happening
for like eight chapters. Yeah, like every every chapter you got a couple
more sentences, and I mean it's it's not gonna be bad when you're someone
couching up to One Piece later or rereading it. When the whole arc is
done, you know, it's just gonna be like, oh, I got
to read the next job, I got to read the next chapter. But
right now, weekly reading it it is very hard. And that's something that
I found when I was catching up to One Piece for the podcast years ago.
A lot of you guys were saying, oh man, this arc dragg
gone forever and I we couldn't wait to find out what's gonna happen, and
we kept getting delayed. But to me, I just whizzed by it,
you know, ran through it in a week, and I was like,
yeah, this art was sick, Like I didn't have any issues with it.
So it's probably gonna be one of those things. But definitely, yeah,
the teasing, especially now teasing about the d the will of d oh,
yeah, oh my god. So I actually read it all at once.
I read all the eight chapters today. I'm a fake, I'm a
fake one piece fan. I don't read a weekly anymore. I just kind
of wait for one Piece version and then it's ripped them all at once,
so amazing, Like I am loving this arc, and yeah, Bega Punk's
announcement, I feel like that'd be super annoying weekly, So I get that.
Honestly, I think that breaks. It's cool that you do that because
we don't. So it's nice to have that perspective of someone who's not reading
weekly but actually can read it all in one go. And I just make
sure you on Twitter, I have like all like like like one piece and
certain keywords is muted so that I don't get spoiled. And luckily I haven't
been spoiled in a long while, Like I didn't get spoiled for what happened
with Gear five and Bonnie. But we'll get into that later. That's impressive.
Yeah, it's like you're not on Twitter or something. Dude. When
I saw it, I lost my mind. I'm like, wait, how
did I not get spoiled for that? Like that would be something that would
be fucking blowing up, and it was in my world. But we did
have a big hint that this could happen because Bonnie has already demonstrated the ability
to use the Rubber powers using her double fruit back in Kuma's backstory, So
I don't think it was that much of a shock. It was just kind
of the extension of what we already saw her do in the backstory for sure.
But Gear five, you know, that was such a big deal in
the manga that I think it was the next level for people. But for
shadow I was Again, I didn't think it was that shocking, especially since
you know, Bonnie is not the most important character, so it's not like
Zoro got Gear five, although that's what I like to see. Yeah,
yeah, that's why not? Why why would it? Should it not be
possible? That's the question. So it could happen potentially. Yeah, I
just want to say it was definitely foreshadowed, and I like, I loved
when you see Bonnie use like like stretch or become big and like have certain
techniques and stuff that are modeled after like after Loofy and the Gum Gum Fruit.
It got me super excited. So when I saw Gear five, I
lost my mind. But yes, it wasn't like, oh that was impossible
to see coming. Yeah, I'm a fan of it. I think a
lot of people are upset with it in the sense of taking away from loofy
is uniqueness and the special, like how special Gear five and his fruit is.
But at the same time, we saw in the latest chapter when we
get to it that it's not the same thing, right, It's it's a
very nerve compared to actual loov Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely not the same
thing. And there's also something else to think about here, and that's the
fact that I think we've been leading up to this reveal that there is something
special about the will of d and that it's connected to Joyboy and his so
to speak crew during the Void century. Right. So, I think that
this idea of joy Boy Nika having an impact on the people around him is
already well established. And you know the fact that Loofy keeps attracting allies from
the beginning of the story, you know, people keep gravitating towards him,
and the same seems to have been the case with joy Boy. I think
that all has been well foreshadows. So the fact that perhaps Joyboy's powers can
start rubbing off on other people as well eventually, in like if there's like
a second Awakening or something like that. I think that's kind of you know,
it's been set up if something like that happens. I don't think obviously
it would all be if there was other people in locking powers like Bonnie,
it wouldn't be as strong. But if you could have a bunch of allies,
maybe you know, a crew like I wouldn't mind. I don't mind
the fact that Bonnie has like access to it and a weaker version, but
like it just gives me like Naruto, like tail beeft mode vibes. But
you want to I do not want to see like an army, an army
of yeer five bro just going cartooning the fuck up, Like, I don't
know if I want to see that in one I hear you, But you
know, Black Clover did it too a lot. It's in the realm of
possibility as well, we're saying. And Bonnie is known for using her power
on others, so there's no reason she couldn't try distorted future, you know,
the most free version of Zoro and then let's see what happened. And
the other thing I'd find interesting is obviously as a twelve year old girl,
and I think that's important because she's not obviously known for being strong or having
a lot of experience. She would not have the level of hockey that Lufy
and Zoro have obviously, and hockey, according to Kaido, and I think
most of us accept as the most important, rather more important than Devil fruits.
So for that reason, it really intrigues me to see if someone like
Zora with more stamina and better hockey mastery had distorted future power or was given
to him if he can maintain it longer than Bonnie was able to do.
I think that would make sense. I think that would absolutely make sense.
Also, I know we're going completely out of order, we should probably go
back a bit. Do you guys think that Frankie has access to hockey or
was that like just depending on the translation? Yeah, I do think.
I don't think that's shocking to have, Like all of our characters have access
to hockey, Like, it's not conquer any character that gets strong enough.
Yeah, to me, that's not surprising. Yeah, But do you think
that was confirmed in that thing or was he was Lufy just referring to like
Soanjy and Bonnie in that case. Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent sure
about the confirmation, But I would be surprised if Frankie didn't have hockey personally,
because in the VIZ translation, Lufy didn't say you guys and just said
you, which could it have been referring to Bonnie who just used it prior.
So it's not for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised, Like Frankie's
getting stronger. No one shot a fucking vice admiral and they all have hockey.
All vice admirals have hockey. So to assume Frankie doesn't have hockey and
he just took out a guy who has hockey, I mean, I can't
imagine Frankie not having hockey. I know people made a big deal even in
the comments of the Chatter review about it and then confirming it potentially with the
unofficial translations. But guys, I'd be way more shocked if he didn't have
it, honestly. See, I get that. But at the same time,
it's like when when when USAP has observation hockey, Like we know when
Soandy has observation hockey or armament. We know when Zoro uses the armament.
We know, like when Lufy uses thing. We know it's like, but
with Frankie it's still kind of up in the air, like does it just
not appear on his robot arms? Like that's the other thing. It's like,
how how can hockey manifest in different ways? Like for example, Loofy,
you know, usually it was like dark in the manga right, But
with gear five he kind of has white hockey, so it can it can
look differently depending on it can look differently. But I just feel like a
it's went out of his way to make it obvious when someone's using hockey in
more in recent years, and I feel like with Frankie it's still unknown,
so I feel like he might not be using it. He just might be
a tank. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I like I said,
I'd be surprised, but I don't. You know, how hockey was
introduced later on and everything, and obviously you had characters using hockey that weren't
necessarily showing it, but then when hockey became a thing, it was kind
of illustrated more. So. Yeah, I feel like Oda could do what
he wants with the story in that sense. Can a robot youth hockey?
Okay, well he's not full, he's not full. Yeah, he's a
cybernetic And I think yes, personally, like like an ancient robot for example,
I think potentially could good area hockey? Very interesting? Okay? Do
we want to try to go back to one twelve and kind of go a
little bit more chronologically? Yeah, we're just fan going hard. We could
like, I just want to say that was pretty much when the coffee was
still being prepared before Vega Punk started the speech, and I believe Nuturo just
took out all those Pacifistas that were in Kuma's image that Vega Punk made sure
would obey. Bonnie like, don't think we need to do a chapter view
every chapter we could go by. Oh yeah, that's fine. I'm just
giving us a sense of where we started and if you guys want to do
that, sure, I do think that, you know, the whole A
big theme or a big part of these chapters has been the as Mega is
talking, the Gorosa are desperately trying to find the special DND and Mushi right,
Yes, so you know that's been in a lot of the chapters.
They're you know, they're looking for it, they're breaking everything down to find
it. They can't find it, there's fakes. So that's been I feel
like a big plot driver in these last few chapters. Yeah, speaking of
that, there's also loofy with the Giants Dorian Broggy, like since the beginning
to the right now currently they've been together and dealing with the go to say
and they're getting chased by like the bore go to say, so are these
go to say, do we think that they're immortal? Like what do we
what are we saying we think? I think personally they are immortal for all
intents and purposes. Currently, there could be a roundabout way of defeating them,
Like one of my potential theories is that they acquired their powers from Emu's
insane devil fruit and then so to actually stop them forever, you need to
stop Emu sort of thing. But so, it could be a combination of
them having a devil fruit power but also receiving extra powers from Imusama himself.
Could be that, or it could be Emu is able to like grant these
devil fruit like powers, because if you paid attention to when their devil fruit
powers were revealed, they weren't revealed as devil fruits, if I remember correctly,
just the yokai name for each one. True, that is true.
Also, I just noticed that, like in one of the more recent chapters,
Lufy sent one of them flying because it's like you can't really take them
out, And I will say, what do you guys think about this idea
which was common in my common section in that chapter, which is like he
could just be summoned back. I don't necessarily think that's the case after they've
already and summoned in their demon forms. But what do you guys think,
Because they were summoned to the island, right, there are some in the
island, you think, so can they just be summoned back? That was
the thing I think. If he was near Emusama or they were like together,
yes, but like if you just got sent flying a million miles in
one direction, it's like, how is he He's not the one summoning himself.
I don't think. No, I think Saturn was. I think it
was implied that Saturn summoned them with the with the circles or something to summon
the rest of the god to say, because he was already there. But
they were under human quote unquote human forms prior to that, So I'm thinking
maybe there's a difference. Maybe they can be demon summoned when they're in their
human forms in telportal location, but once they're in their demon forms, that
teleportation isn't necessarily the same. Yeah, I feel like it's definitely unknown,
But I'm kind of on your side, Goes, and I don't think he
could just instantly come back. Yeah, and Lufy isn't under that impression either.
Yeah. And the other thing is, in terms of your question,
breaks, I do think they're expectively mortal. At this point, I don't
know if they are actual individuals who were given devil fruits, if they are
individuals who were given power by Emu through Emu's devil fruit, or if they
are creations of Emu or or like devils themselves, which is another theory that
the godos say themselves are like devils not humans, that they just take on
a human form, and that they're being controlled by Emu. Now, I
will say that it feels like one of the gottos say joined later. And
I mentioned that in a video, the one that he looks the youngest,
is it Mars. I can't confirm which one that was? Again, No,
not Mars, not Mars, the one they look the youngest. What
did he turned into? Jupiter jew Peter? So he the blonde one,
so he's not like or white Harry's blond. He implied before when they were
talking about the Nika fruit that he was confused as to why the name was
changed, as if he wasn't there for that discussion, so this would imply
that they joined at different times, which could indicate that they are real people
who were given this power and not just demons who were created at once by
EMU. But we don't notice that. I didn't even notice that. That
actually makes a lot of sense. So I feel like that would definitely lean
towards them being just humans with devil for powers slash powers maybe given from emusamba
not maybe very likely, And then they would just have to have joined from
different times, not just like demons from nine hundred years ago or something like
that. Another thing to consider is also the fact that perhaps like there were
the seven warlords, like there are the four emperors, perhaps there was another
fifth gor say before this guy, and then they can also be switched depending
on the situation. Yeah, because maybe we'll find that out in an SBS.
Because it seemed to be like he was saying that it would change the
name of the fruit, and then the others explained to him, yeah,
what the fruit really was, and they weren't, like, Bro, you
were there, What the fuck? Yeah? Anyway, I'm just scrolling through
one, one and twelve right now. Frankie punches out of a vice.
Admiral Cool but we also get to see that Bonnie is turning vice admirals into
children like they're nothing. And I feel like for a twelve year old,
like I understand her power strong, It's just like I feel like she's very
powerful. It's confused fruit to just like works. You would think that the
vice admiral would be able to dodge her, or like their hockey would be
able to like withstand this power, and I feel like it's just like,
oh, she must be a cracked twelve year old, or her power is
that just that strong. That's the confusing thing. I think to an extent,
the hockey we're led to believe because of what happened to Law's crew and
how they could use their hockey to fight the plague fruit and the effects of
it. The ones with advanced, like you know, hockey. So I'm
curious that these vice admirals none of them can actually use their hockey to fight
it. But maybe it's just such an advanced level of hockey to fight devil
fruit effects that these guys don't have it, or maybe it depends specifically on
the fruit. People in chatter pointing out sugar with the toy fruit. It's
like maybe there's specific fruits that like just vary with how like how people could
prevent them. There's different like yeah, I don't know what the words I'm
looking for here. Yeah, yeah, just because of the whole hockey and
the importance of hockey thing, I do think that a strong enough hockey can
overcome the effects of most devil fruits. But perhaps, like obviously nothing is
written in stone, Oda can choose what he ends up doing. And perhaps
some fruits are just immune to hockey, but I doubt it. I doubt
it if some fruit it's just hid. Different if Foxy used a slow beam
on you, but you were using like conquered hockey and like advanced level hockey,
you can walk at a normal speed through it, I think, so,
yeah, that's crazy. Like for example, I think law if he
could do it with the plague fruit, I think he could potentially do it
at that level, Like I don't think Lufi was at that level back then.
Of course, of course, it is an interesting concept because obviously,
if you have hockey, you could touch a logo user. But I always
was under the understanding that certain para mesa abilities are just have like an effect,
like imagine the pirate King Goldie Roger being slowed down by the thing to
be fair, like they could happen for gags like auld pick I can see
there, But you know, if he actually wanted to, like, would
Shanks be actually slowed down by it? I don't know. I just always
thought it was very different between like touching the physical flesh of a logo user
and like the cause and effect of like sugars fruit. But who really,
we don't. We don't really know for certain. I think it makes sense
to have Hockey help because yeah, like you said, would be ridiculous for
Goldie Roger to be like, oh shit, I'm a toy. Yeah exactly.
But yeah, she's also half buccaneer, right, isn't she. Well
she's not actually the daughter of of Kuma, right, but she's not half
buccaneer. No, that's supposed to be. She's supposed to be half celestial
dragon. Yeah, and whatever whatever her mom is, which I don't know
if it was confirmed. A she's just purely human, but she looks human.
Yeah, daughter of Ginny and a celestial dragon. True. Okay,
never mind, I take that back, but yeah, go ahead, go
ahead. Oh I don't know if you guys I don't know if you're still
on Bonnie or what, but I wanted to just talk about like the Vegapunks
reveals. Yes, go ahead, because to me, it almost feels like
everything he revealed is just confirming theories that we already had and we kind of
like assumed to be true. Anyway. Yeah, it's almost a little bit
underwhelm because we've been talking about this so thoroughly for so many years, about
like the twenty Families and the Willa de and joy Boy from the Voight Century.
It's like what he's saying is like, I feel like we already know.
And like even when they talked about like he was starting to talk about
like the earthquake, I'm like, yeah, that was probably from Lulucia or
whatever, and like and then that confirmed his thing. It was. It
was cool. It was really really cool. I loved reading it, but
it was almost just confirming what we what we were already thinking. Yeah,
and I mean the whole revealed that the earth the sea levels of rising and
that the Earth has been sinking into the sea. That that was a big
reveal, but again, it's a big theory that's been around forever, Like
you know, with whole the whole Wana, you know, New Wano and
Old Wana, And that was big foreshadowing. That's something like this is happening.
And the reason that walls exist in the first place Wana is you know,
part of it is to keep the water up. But so, yeah,
that was a big reveal. But then all the stuff about joy Boy
being at war with Emu and the twenty Kingdoms, we knew all that,
right. The fact that joy Boy left the ancient weapons, we did know
it with joy Boy that left the future the weapons for future generations. No,
it was very much assumed because Wano were joy Boy's allies. They have
one of the weapons, the fish Men were joy boys allies, they had
the other weapon. And then the third weapon. We're not sure how where
it went, how it potentially ended up with EMU if that's the third weapon,
But yeah, I was always what I was thinking. And also because
the podoglyphs tell about the ancient weapons, right, and the polyphs were created
by joy Boy and his faction, so it makes a lot of sense.
Yeah. And then and then Vega was kind of saying like, well,
I don't know why joy Boy wanted these ancient weapons to to remain in the
world because they could be used to destroy the world, but we even know
that they can also be used to fight against EMU in the world government,
so that's why he wanted them to be in the world. However, the
whole stuff about the Mother Flame got me thinking, because you know, a
lot of people have been reminded about nuclear power when looking at the Mother Flame
and the whole like reactor that it's located in. And you know, our
tour from the Library of Harp mentioned that the A and MoU you see on
the actual machine can be read in Japanese as auto mu so adam, so
it's kind of like a reference to atomic or nuclear power. And I think
an important thing to remember about nuclear power in our own world is that it
can be used for war and deadly weapons, but it can also be used
to power entire cities in a much more efficient way than other types of power.
Now, of course, there's risks with clear meltdowns and stuff like that.
However, nuclear power in an ideal world would be used for good to
power cities and technology very efficiently. So I think that the idea with the
ancient weapons is they're not necessarily weapons only weapons or they might not even have
started out as weapons. I think they're actually have a creative purpose to them
as well, but they might need to be used as weapons initially to defeat
the World government. Yes, that makes sense, and the Mother Flame was
sorry, yeah, but the Mother Flame wasn't actually like the weapon though,
right, It just was used to fuel the power source for the weapons.
Yeah, yeah, for the weapons that the sky weapon that most people are
assuming is uranus. And the reason why Punk Vegapunk developed the Mother Flame because
he wants to provide like a type of fuel and energy source that wouldn't run
out for the whole world, like in a positive way that Animac mentioned like
it don't have a lot of good effects on society and the world. But
then the world governments and he apologized like I'm so sorry, this was my
second sin or whatever whatever sin it was, number it ended up in the
World Government's hand and then Lulashila exactly. So like nuclear power, you know,
like Einstein or whatever, Vegapunk is trying to develop this source of power
that is it can be used for good. However, in times of war
and World War two, they used that technology to develop nuclear bombs. Right,
so's there's kind of a peril happening in the world. A one piece
where Vega Ponk, who obviously disappearance is obviously based on Einstein or Einstein,
he is trying to do good, but in order to fund his research he
has to collaborate with the reural government. Then they turned this into a weapon
and now a lot of people are dying. And yeah, so I like
that parallel a lot. And and yeah, the one other thing I was
gonna say is with Poseidon has the power to control the Seakings, which has
massive destructive power. If you tell the Seakings to attack something like obviously that's
a massive destruction. But also you can tell them to pull the Noah,
which could rescue a lot of people and keep them safe from the flood.
Right, So there's different purposes to these weapons. Yea, how it's used.
I just do want to say that. Also, the scientist Nicola Tesla
had the idea of giving energy like to everybody, So I do think it's
a bit of a mishmash of scientists. Well, yeah, I did mention
Sesla in one of my theory videos about power, the whole idea of unlimited
power because the mother flame that vegapun created created is not quite the unlimited power
source that the ancient Kingdom had it. For example, it can be used
to fuel one charge of that weapon, of the sky weapon, but it
can't be used to infinitely fuel it. So it's imperfect still. So Vega
bucksechnology, as far ahead as he is in the current world of One Piece
from everyone else, he's still way behind the technology of the ancient Kingdom.
And that's something that he's acknowledged. That's so crazy. I mean that in
and of itself, that fact to me is fascinating and like as that whole
Atlantis thing within the One Piece world and oh man, I can't wait for
like flashbacks to that time or just finding out more about it, I know.
Right. So it was also revealed that the after that war, the
world sank like two hundred meters down, so the people must have died and
like, so the world today is almost like a reset after an apocalypse.
Yeah, So what I'm imagining event Yeah, what I'm imagining would have happened
is that war was so crazy that that weapon was used two hundred times rather
than once, right, because it's said that every time it's used, the
water level goes up a meter. So imagine that kind of war where the
islands are just being erased everywhere every day. It's crazy or yeah, like
they're also saying that they're they We learned that they lived on larger continents rather
than individual islands. So getting rid of one island, imagine getting rid of
a fucking continent. Exactly what the effect it would have on the sea levels.
That is a good point. But I will say that I would then
expect to see two hundred of those holes like Annie's lobby and Lucia, because
those holes don't seem to go away. So then why aren't they two hundred
of or on there two hundred of them? I wonder We don't. We
don't even know about how or like a thousand years would would change something.
You know, Wait, there's still a hole in like where the island used
to be. It didn't refill with water the hole. No, so the
hole for the Lucia didn't refiel, and it didn't refeel for Any's lobby and
Then's lobby one is very very old, right m M. That's interesting.
Yeah, we don't have all the answers, but I definitely did the first
thing I wanted to do was compare like, Okay, if now it's starting
to rise again, what happened to make it rise two hundred meters in the
past. Yeah, it didn't necessarily have to. We don't know enough about
this weapon to know how it works, Like, we don't know if it
could be throttled up to make one bigger attack or like smaller attacks, like
we don't we don't know how versatile and how it could change in the way
it attacks as well, not to mention the other potential weapons. We got
to mention also that Do Flamingo's comment that most of the major cities would be
underwater with a five meter rise, Yeah, so yeah, imagine two hundreds.
Dude. We got a ton of while this message is going out and
they're talking about the water levels, we got a ton of interesting characters being
shown. We got Do Flamingo in the bottom of impel down, all characters,
i'd say, like interesting ones. It was random, like we got
Foxy and some of his boys. We got a random guy from long Ring
long Land and his tall horse. And I think the reason why they showed
him and like they showed people from Longering Longland, it is because that island
already dealt with the tides and how it is longering. Long Land is like
a ton of different little islands that changed with the tides depending on the day,
and then they like commute from one little part to another every eight years
or something like that. So my theory was that he just referenced it because
that island already dealt with tides affecting its life. Imagine one meter or five
meters, they would just be done. Yeah, and guim On as well.
I think that's a big one. We got his girl, Yeah,
we did recently. That's so funny. And we got don Kreeg and Pearl
and Gan don Kreeg was huge. Yeah, Yeah, that was a big
one. No, I love it if for a long term one piece fan.
It's such a puts a smile on your face seeing these characters for sure.
Yeah, I didn't know if don Creek was actually alive or if Dean
was actually alive. And not only that, but they haven't given up on
their dreams because they're in the Grand Line right like that, they're in the
New World. So that's true. Who else did we see everybody? Man
like we saw Crocodile when when they were talking about the ancient weapons. We
saw Dragon sawbo Like it's hard to think of who we didn't see. Honestly,
I know that's true. Oh we saw like they show people from water
seven, Like, yeah, we're used to that, Like it was like
a kind of like I think that was them just kind of showing that,
like they already they could see this being in reality because they deal with different
water levels and stuff, but also that being very threatening for that specific Oh
yes, yes, what else do we know where VV is right now?
She isn't she? She's with Morgans and they've been shown a number of times.
Cool. Morgans is such a The same thing that I've found was if
you look at like the Ice Age, the Last ice Age, when the
ice melted and the Ice Age ended, the water surfaces on the Earth did
go up by like over one hundred and around two hundred meters, so very
similar to what Mega Bunky is talking about. But obviously this takes place over
thousands of years, and Mega Punky is saying this happened within a century.
So that's why it's so crazy. But it's interesting because if you look at
what the world looked like, our world during the last ice age. There
was a bunch of ice in the north, which meant that that ice was
frozen and wasn't water, so there was less water. So if you look
at like Australia and Indonesia, there was a lot more land around there that
is now completely underwater by people used to live there and it used to be
like, uh, you know, lush green land and stuff, and now
it's all underwater. So it's interesting to think about. Yeah. But one
of the things that's interesting about this is it's further beyond our level, because
we do still have continents and stuff, but there it's like our own world
rows way more the sea water because they have pretty much all islands and they
used to live like us, but now they're pretty much like everybody stays on
their island and doesn't get to know other cultures and stays separated for the most
part. And also it happens slowly for us and for them it apparently it
happened all at once. Yeah, is why it was like proven by Vegapunk.
This is man made the same way we saw what happened with the one
meter. Such a crazy idea, man, that that that you could hide,
you could erase a century you know what I mean. Yeah, so
crazy. What else, boys, I'm scrolling through the chapter trying to see
if we missed anything really important. Well, I mean, we definitely want
to talk about nous Trudo's different fights against different people, mostly Zorro, but
like even Soanji tried to stop them for a bit, you know, held
them off for a bit, and then you had obviously Zoro coming in the
fact that he has a ki tetsu, right, nus Trudo has a qui
tetsu, which is obviously the highest level grade one of the twelve or whatever
it is, excellent grade or I guess it depends on the translation. Yeah,
this this go to say is an absolute beast. Like he cut,
didn't he cut the lab in half? Yeah, like the complete like a
phase or something, not even like just a lab. Yeah. I thought
when you cut, if they damage the lab, it would blow up.
Based on what they were described, we're on different levels. But maybe he
just the faith he cut didn't have anything that would cough it to explode.
Yeah, one of the twelve supreme blades, that's what I that's what irades.
Oh fun fact, in the recent SPS, we found out that that
little cane sword that has is also a top tier blade. Yeah, exactly.
So now we have Mehawk, we have white Beard, we have the
Pirate King, we have the Elder, and we have the an Admiral.
Right, Fujita having one of them as well, So those five and obviously
it's impressive that fu You want to almost ask like should he have one?
Because of just the sheer level of the other guys. Yeah, I'm I'm
personally the most interested in Noustru out of the goodos Sea. I think he's
the coolest. I think he's probably gonna endup being the strongest. Yeah,
because of the sword and how much Oda love swords. And I'm just interested
in his backstory, Like he clearly there's a connection with Wano. He has
a Japanese esque name, but then he also has an English like name Ethan
Baron well Noustru or whatever, which is like just so interesting, Like I'm
wondering what his backstery is. Did he is he one of those Wano people
who left like Toki's family a long time ago, and then did he betray
the other the Kozuki klan or what happened? Like is he connected to Toki?
Yeah, I'm really really curious about him, and I think because of
the sword and everything, He's gonna play a big role in zo Orro's backs,
like in the Zoro's future, and I feel like he definitely is going
to end up being one of like probably the most fleshed out. Go to
say, just from the hints I'm getting from the story, how crazy is
it two that Zorro and him clashed and they kind of both got thrown back.
So Zorro's already doing so well from what we've seen, the very low
we've seen with this possibly the strongest of elders, it was super hype to
see. Well, to be fair, Newstudo is distracted by other things,
like their priority is to stop being upun his message. But I do think
that, yeah, it's cool. It's a cool thing, and it speaks
to Zoro's strength. But they haven't really gone all out in a one on
one yet, and Zoro still doesn't have a supreme grade blade. But my
hope is that he'll have three by the end of it. But we'll see
if that's too much to ask for, too much to ask for, yeah,
we'll see. Because the Wato has got like sentimental but what about the
up grade there's also theories which I can see about Blaze potentially being able to
be upgraded. Yes, if he could upgrade it with his own hockey and
then with like a master blacksmith or whatever, I agree, then there's a
chance probably own hockey thing. Yeah, I just don't think that his well,
I don't think he'll ever not have the Watertue mound, No, for
sure. I just think it can be upgraded. Okay, I agree with
that idea that I feel like these swords becoming black as well, like Mehawk's
sword or even like Whitebeard's like thing. I feel like that's not a testament
of the blacksmith. I feel like it's what ended up happening when a master
sword has been wheeled for a certain amount of time with master level hockey.
Yeah, and then it can be a probably a mixture of stuff too,
because like as far as we know, the key Tetsus when it was created,
the first one, right, they get weaker each generation, and the
first one was supposed to be the supreme grade, and I'm guessing it was
from the beginning. That's how the story is told. But yeah, I
do think some people like perhaps Mi Haawk, who turned his blade black was
able to upgrade the sword. It depends, it depends. So when when
that was first mentioned, my idea was that like whoever the blacksmith was that
handled it was like had crazy hockey as well. But as more generations,
as more generations went on and then he got older or like it's like some
of his apprentices did stuff that's featured with generations. That's actually interesting. He
got weaker because that is the case than one piece, like they do constantly
talk about people getting weaker, even white Beard and stuff. So yeah,
I mean that that is an interesting theory. Breaks I like it. I'll
go ahead on a Mackie said you want it? You were going to say
something. So one thing I definitely want to talk about before we end the
episode is that I'm getting more and more like upset about the Roger Pirates because
the more information we get about them, the more I don't understand what the
fuck they were thinking. I feel like we have in them, well,
we don't know. When they went to laugh Hill, it was like,
Okay, one of the what's her name, Shiraj, she hasn't been born
yet. Next joy Boy hasn't arrived yet. The time was they were just
too early. But I don't think that's an excuse at this point, because
first of all, we had the whole thing where, yeah, we don't
know enough about god val God's Valley yet or god Valley yet, but everything
we know about god Valley shows that Zebec was one hundred percent justified in attacking
it. So the fact that Roder ended up teaming up with Garb to fight
Zebec there instead of fighting against the celestial dragons who were enslaving and murdering people,
that right there pisses me off and it needs to be explained. Zebec
could have had an evil sides where it's like, I'm dealing with two evils,
I'll pick the one to fight for whatever reason. How evil does you
do you have to be to, like, h be more evil than the
human hunters? Bro come on, well, like the evil we don't know,
the devil we don't know, versus the devil we know. We don't
know much about Zebec. It would be like if Blackbeard attacks something and like
someone sides with the Marines attack at the moment they were actively hunting humans for
sport, and like actively at the moment of when this is happening, So
I would I better have a damn good explanation for what the fuck happened,
because so far we don't have it. Secondly, the whole Roger stuff with
you know, uh rarely saying oh, vegapunk, don't ruin the fund for
the kids by telling them what really happens, Like, are you fucking kidding
me? Bro? Lulucia was just destroyed, completely, wipe from the map.
The world is sinking. You're on your ass drunk, not spoiling it
for the kids, Like, give me a fucking break. I feel like
you had decades to warn about this stuff. You had decades to do something
to prevent these debts. What the fuck are you doing? I feel like
Oda is actually speaking through Raley too, and that he agrees with Raleigh's uh
sentiment. But I do think we don't have all the answers obviously, and
it will make more sense when we get them. I don't think you're necessarily
being fair to the Roger pirates. Did Roger and Raley know everything that Mega
Punk is saying, Well, they knew more, that's the that's the idea.
They knew more because like again, this isn't just like a fun adventure,
like people are dying, like kingdoms are being annihilated, Like this isn't
a joke, okay, but could he predict a venture more important than thousands
of lives? The idea is, if they told the truth, what could
the people do at that point when it wasn't time yet? Second of all,
can they predict specific situations like Le Lucia? I don't know, you
know, well they did. They probably couldn't predict that that that weapon could
be used until Vega Punk made the source right, But for them it was
probably like, oh, we're here too early. Joy Boy hasn't arrived.
It's not time for a revolution just yet. Roger's gonna die anyway. But
but really knows about it. Now he's saying this. Now, he's like,
oh, don't ruin the fun, Vegapunk. He knows already that Lucy
has been destroyed. So he's saying to Vegapunk, you're telling too much.
Yeah you think he's saying no, So he's telling Vegapunk, you're saying too
much. Yeah, he's ruining the fun of loofy and them discovering it on
their own, the truth of the world. Yeah, that's I just liked
crass revenge comments. I feel like it could just be like he already knows,
like the stones have been set. I feel like this being said to
the rest of the world does not affect anything about Lufy's actions going forward,
Like it's already it's already in motion. Yeah, I don't think they could
have stopped its necessarily, and that's why they did. I think if they
could have, they would have said something. But there's a lot of destiny
too, and maybe when you start hearing the voice of all things and the
voice of the universe, you could start to I don't know, maybe foresee
things will be all right, or some stuff is unavoidable and stuff like that.
I'm on Animac side about the Roger thing with Zebec. I agree with
that we need more about that situation. That about Zebec in regards to this,
I feel like it doesn't things have already been put into motion. I
don't think Bega Punk telling some random people about a flood's really going to do
much. No, But I'm saying this is oney one hundred and sixteen.
Why where Raley's at the end. He's like, don't be a fool Us
old folks should keep our secrets. Don't rub the young guns of all the
fun, right, Roger, Like, fuck off, what do you mean?
But this is what we mean, bro, thousands are dying and let's
keep the secret. Let's not warn people, let's not help the people fighting
them fighting the world garment actually stop the world government like that, like really
is supposed to be strong, he's fucking getting drunk over there instead of actually
helping uh joyboy return, Like what what is happening? Yeah? I think
I think oda Is also has a more lighthearted approach despite like, there is
that stuff, but in general, there does seem to be a you want
the kids to discover it for themselves, and that with the reader to discover
it for themselves, and it might be better for the story, but the
characters in the story can't be acting like it's a story. Also, he's
also drunk his heads past that on the table. Yeah. I just feel
like, if you have to push me again, like if you have to
force me to give an answer, I would assume that they couldn't do anything
at the time, and they didn't expect the weapon to be to even be
able to be used, and they must they also know stuff that we don't
currently Raley. Currently Raley, he even said, he's he's not up for
these opponents, like he he couldn't handle black Beard. At this point,
he said in himself, like he's just not It's not like you're acting like
this is the old Raley who could make a huge difference. Yeah, right,
I'm sure he's He's definitely not stronger than like gnam me who's out there
fighting. Right. Anyways, do you think that the mask you guys are
saying. You guys are saying, oh, we don't. There's a lot
we don't know, sure, but at some point we need to know when
it better makes sense, well, we'll definitely good writing and will come back.
But I'm just saying it better freaking makes sense. And also, everyone
knows the destiny. Just saying oh, this is destiny, this destiny that
is definitely not good writing or good storytelling, right, So if if they
just say we didn't do anything because it was destiny, that would just suck
ass as an excuse. I want to ask you a question. So I
think it's cool. I think it's really awesome that like this information that has
been hidden from the world government is now being told to the world. And
he kind of left it blank, like he's not saying who's good who's evil.
He just dropping facts. But at the same time, do we think
telling everyone that the water is going to rise and causing mass panic will actually
have any productive the issue. Yeah, I think one of the issues like
Loofy is still again like Loofy, and the revolution is happening regardless of Bega
Punk saying anything. Yes, I think it would have been better for the
revolutionary perspective if Vega Punk figured out or could guess that it was the World
government that stole the Mother Flame and used it like because he did not say
that, and he, I guess, couldn't confirm who did it, so
he didn't say. But I think if people knew that, and they knew
that they only had a limited amount of time, the revolution would be well
on their way. Yeah, because you have to remember that the revolutionaries are
actively recruiting people for their cause, and right now they're barrick, they're what's
it called. They're kind of besieging the red line the capital by not allowing
goods to get through they used to get through, which the you know,
the spoiled the Celestial Dragons are complaining about it already. So if Rayley and
the Roger pirates had warned decades ago that hey, the world government is going
to kill you all, or they're planning to kill you all, or they're
doing this or doing that. If they knew that much, which you know,
it's imply they knew all this stuff. Why wouldn't they Why wouldn't they
help the revolutionary cause by doing that? Like that's what's pissing me off right
now, because it's like you knew all this thirty years ago, and you're
just like, let's see how it plays out, and there is thousands of
people are dying. It's not a game. Yeah, And I think dragon
is more of your opinion and your character in that sense. But we can't
know for sure that Roger and Raley were pure good. For example, maybe
they they had like good qualities, Maybe they had faults, right, So
yeah, I'm now questioning how good traditionally they actually were, which is fair
they also Yeah, I want to say that when I when I say revolution,
I'm not just talking about revolutionary armies. I'm talking about the whole revolution
in motion right now type of thing, the war the d's against the Yeah,
because I mean the world governor are people that are currently in power.
So when I say revolution, I'm also talking about the straw Hats and potentially
other pirates. And there are different factions, right, Like I mean even
within the D's there's Blackbeard, Zebek's philosophies, and then there's like, yeah,
what we thought, like maybe that's question now, but what we thought
were Rogers and then Loofy's philosophies. So yeah, I wonder if the original
Joyboy crew was a mix and then now they've sort of broken off into do
different directions to these. It'll be interesting to see anyway. Any thoughts on
the Iron Giant thing. Yeah, I think the Iron Giant is the is
the other big thing to talk about because when Louvie uses Gear five, the
Iron Giant senses Joyboy, but only when Gear five is on, So that's
something important. And clearly he's extremely powerful because we see at the very at
the end of the last chapter he breaks one of the tusks of war career,
Yeah, which is like it's been established that his tusks are extremely strong,
so for for the Iron Giant to be able to like punch one off
and break it not so we know that this is an extremely powerful creature.
We know that he apparently attacked Marigeois years ago and clearly wasn't destroyed himself,
managed to get far. So, yeah, this guy is extremely powerful.
Are there more iron giants like buried in the sea somewhere that could rise up
again? What's his connection to Joyboy? Why did he apologize to joy Boy?
I really want to know, And the same thing with Zunisha, like
why did Zunesha pal just to Joyboy? I really want to know this connection
because joy Boy seems to be connected to so many different aspects of this world.
And also that ancient giant seemed to awaken when Loofy's heartbeat, you know,
the drums of liberation was going on, So which happens when he's in
gear five? Yeah, So I'm wondering if if that can actually be its
own energy source in a way for certain things like like Danger Robot, or
if it was just him hearing and and waking up. But yeah, it's
interesting two hundred years ago when this thing attacked Mary Joa, was there another
joy Boy at another success. That's a very interesting question. There shouldn't have
been based on the information we have so far, because according to the gods
say the Gum Gum Fruit did not awaken into the Nika Fruit for the past
eight hundred years, so what was the power source two hundred years ago?
Interesting because we know gum Gum uh the was around, presumably it had other
users. I think that Podcast de Rouge was a user of them, but
it didn't awaken. There was no Gear five for those other users as far
as we know, so there had to have been another power source, maybe
something similar to the Mother Flame, maybe something completely different. Yeah, something
I do think. I think the reason why these things are apologizing probably has
to do with the what happened at the end of the war that caused joy
Boy to lose and die. Yeah, exactly, it's true, But I'm
like, I'm just wondering what happened. I really want to know. Yeah,
and the fact that they're all apologizing also almost makes it seem like,
I don't know, they weren't there till the end, whether it's a fault
of their own or if if apologize to Fishman Island, sou Naisha and the
Iron Giant apologize to joy Boy, So yeah, like what is going on?
And I do want to say that you're really You're really right about wor
Crey being established as arguably the strongest with news Trudo, and there was like
a whole thing with Gear five Loofy punching him in the face and his fist
hurting rather than war Cury taking any damage. And war Cury's also like been
doing the most out of everyone after news Trudo arguably, So yeah, this
was a huge deal when the ancient robot proved himself to be strong enough to
just break a tusk off. Yeah, absolutely nuts. Also his arm extended
kind of like similar to a like pistol type thing. Oh interesting. Yeah,
and there is a there is a theory that Nika, the sun god
is it's himself the infinite power source, So like Lufy's heart and drum,
the drum beat could be a power source itself. Yeah, robot and things
like that. So yeah, that'll be interesting to see. I don't know
how you would harness the power of someone's heart. That would also explain how
Vega Punk couldn't recreate it, So yeah, I like that idea. What
if Loofy ate the eternal flame like the original not like a like the platonic
ideal of it? Oh my goodness. Also, yeah, the thing is
the robot's name is Emmett. Apparently there's a couple of different translations. I
think it was like someone was saying immense truth, someone was saying faithfulness truth.
It's like a loyal like a Golam protector, a couple of different things.
Yeah, E M E T is how it's translated in viz. E
M E t emmet. Yes. I think we covered everything though, right,
are we missing anything? Yeah? So yeah, we covered that Bonnie's
gear five wasn't as strong as Loofy's and that she very quickly won attack one
attack, tired of it? Yeah, yeah, like she got and she
kind of powered down and turned into a kid. So that's something to keep
in mind. And I think we covered a lot of the other important things.
Obviously there was like fights and moments and stuff in the different chapters that
we didn't cover in detail. But again, we don't want to be here
all day either. Yeah. I think the highlights are fair enough. I'm
excited for more one piece. Yeah, it does look like the arm extents
goes and I just went the double check to make sure. Yeah, yeah,
no, that's cool. And obviously had some moments too, like with
her whole confliction being conflicted now because she did think of the CEP zero guys
as her friends, but at the same time, her loyalty was to Vegapunk,
So now she's like, you know, Vega Punk's dead, CEP zero
hates her. Uh, you know, where does she belong? She's a
clone, she's not the real thing, so you know, should she even
exist? I thought it was like a little interesting, little side character development
subplot. I think the important question is are we going to Elbaf next?
Is that? What the is that what we assume is happening? In my
opinion, yeah, I think Albav has to be next because it's been foreshadowed
for so long, ever since Little Garden, and you know, we know
there's stuff going on there with the King of Albaf and stuff, so I
think it has to happen. I just don't know whether al Baf is going
to feature something massive, like let's say, the final battling against Blackbeard and
then after Albaf right away it's the showdown with the World government, or if
it's going to be like l Baf is just a more of a standard arc
and then we go into another arc and I'm not sure, Like I'm not
sure how quickly things will wrap up now after this, but I do think
elbaf is gonna be the next arc. Gimme Lufy's new bounty after this?
What are your thoughts? What the current bounty three billion criminally low, criminally
the same as kid and Law. I think you will go up to five
billion. But the question is just whether it makes sense for the world government
to do that publicly because of just how much fear he's inciting. Now.
They can't not do it. They cannot do it because they know for a
fact everybody knows that Vega Punk was supposed to be kidnapped by the straw Hats,
right, and if they want to spin that as as like the straw
Hats were at fault for Megapunk dying, then they have to up the ante.
They can't just say, oh, yeah, he killed the world's greatest
genius, but you know he's still three billion, yea. Their strategy,
if they succeeded, would probably be like, kill everyone who saw what happened,
blame everything on Loofy, increases bounty to five billion and go home.
Quick question, do we know what the highest recorded bounty than one piece that's
been revealed? Feel like it's a bit over five point five billion for Goldie
Roger. Okay, I'm he's Loofy is the biggest threat to the world.
I feel like they got to give him above a five. Yeah, I
agree, and I thought it should be higher before, but now definitely they
have no excuse. And yeah, I think Goldie Roger obviously perhaps he had
more hockey mastery than Loofy currently does. But throw in the Nika fruit,
throw in that it is time now, and it wasn't time back then.
They weren't actively going against the world government even found with them. Sometimes I
feel like there's no reason Lufy shouldn't be the biggest in history. So I
think I think it'd be. I could see Oda making Lufy's bounty the same
as what Rogers was before he died. Yeah, five point five point five
six four, So we'll see very similar like five point five five point six
Yeah, And if they do that, that is a big move because in
and of itself, then all of a sudden, everybody will be like,
yo, this is the biggest bounty we've ever seen, even bigger than the
than the Pirate King. Like people will comment about that as well, So
it'll be interesting, and yeah, that's that's about it any final thoughts voice,
I'm excited to see what's happening. I'm excited for the future, and
I think I'm intrigued obviously Animac like ANIMEC says, there are mysteries and maybe
not everything is satisfying as it appears now, but I have faith in Oda
and giving us good answers. Yeah, and I think I think that we
are definitely you know, we're still being teased into the epic climax of Egghead,
but I think that the Egghead climax will be amazing, and then you're
probably gonna get a little bit slower while we get started with a new arc.
But I do I can't wait to see the conclusion to Egghead. Really,
you think there's gonna be a crazy conclusion to egg Egghead? Interesting?
Yeah, I picture the boys fucking retreating to ALBAF right now. I agree
with Briggs a bit here. Something crazy might happen, but it almost seems
like, yeah, they're just running away at this point. I don't know
if they're gonna do anything crazy like actually take down Elder or anything. I
don't know how much crazyer is going to get, so to speak, but
yeah, if you want to wrap it up, go ahead, and I
Mac I'm excited for more. Yeah, thank you guys for following the one
piece version once again. We'll be back, you know, eventually, and
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