WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:08.160 About what it' s like to date someone who has ACB or pH when 2 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.199 you don' t want it. There are certainly many questions on this subject. 3 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:15.359 Hey, you' re such a fan of Kylin. Slowly, then 4 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:19.399 ah often since he was a child. I think Chalymax Soft homosexual already to 5 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:26.239 see how he made you gay when it comes to sexual health. In the 6 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:32.359 community it has x especially from OGBTT. There' s a lot of stigma 7 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:42.920 that moves around the clique. Your ho hello world gas. I' m 8 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:50.320 César Salsa and this is Joaquin Come on, let' s go And this 9 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:52.359 is gay, the gayest podcast you' re gonna find. And if not, 10 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:55.479 then here we try. You know we' re from San Francisco, 11 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:59.159 California, one of America' s most gated makas. I' d say 12 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:00.880 I don' t say about the world, because I' ve already lived 13 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.640 in Madrid ten well, Gay, oh yeah, super or I' ve 14 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:07.120 never been, but this summer. So, all right, I' m 15 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:10.599 going to give you recommendations and you, if you have recommendations for Joaquin, 16 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:12.959 leave them anyway you can make a mid up and you can find them in 17 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:15.879 Madrid and people take you to places. I see him. Yes, it 18 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:19.200 would be, we wanted to make a city of Mexico, I do want 19 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.640 or in Puerto Vallarta, Super Gay yes, now I don' t know 20 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:25.599 which is the most good city in the world. You saw everything. There 21 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:27.920 are so many. They' re growing up. If there are many, 22 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.799 there are many. Well, today we have a super fun and interesting podcast, 23 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:34.799 too, because we have to build ourselves. One of the issues we 24 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:42.079 ' re going to have is who you think Joaquin is the undisputed queen of 25 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.680 gays when it comes to singers. And the truth is, we' ve 26 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:47.959 seen that there' s a lot of duality right now. There are, 27 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:49.640 on the one hand, those who support Madonna, those who support Kyl and 28 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:55.239 Minch You who you think would be the indisputable queen between the two of them. 29 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:59.359 I' d say Madonna, because Belan Brasil brought a bunch of people, 30 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:01.719 because yes, it might be Madonna, it might be Kyle. I 31 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:04.840 have to say that the truth is I, when I' m in Spain, 32 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.840 not like I didn' t hear too much Kyly, but I haven 33 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:09.280 ' t been too fan of Madonna either. I love it. I went 34 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.919 to the concert here in San Francisco. He did it super well, but 35 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:17.199 to talk about it we' re going to have a pop culture expert to 36 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:21.800 Fernando who' s going to be telling us about these rivalries and they' 37 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:24.000 re really rivals or not. Who has more merit than the other. Who 38 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:28.120 do you think will win? I know it might be that some of them 39 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.240 go after Kyle and some of them go after Madonna. Save your feelings until 40 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.000 we get to the interview, which I think you will enjoy, because Fernando 41 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.599 is very much in love with both of you and knows a lot about culture. 42 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:42.199 Yeah, and you' re gonna see how fanatical he is and now, 43 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.400 but the truth is, I have to say, I' m wondering. 44 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.319 I' d say I don' t think either of my generation is. 45 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.800 That' s what I' d say, just like I don' 46 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.520 t know Brinney Spears, that' s yours, I don' t know, 47 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:54.280 but I don' t. I think I have a queen, just 48 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:59.439 like I don' t like it any different. I say shackida güey because 49 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:06.800 always in the club, as well as there are more hips to stupeda. 50 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.039 Yeah, I really like Shakira, though I don' t know if she 51 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:15.439 ' s a gay world queen. I also like Dana Paola I did see 52 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:20.080 her about two months ago. I saw her last year in Mexico City. 53 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.479 Help. They live north. All right, all right, you see we 54 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:25.960 ' re past it. We spent time traveling to Mexico because we love it. 55 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.360 Yes, and we' re also going to have a very interesting topic, 56 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:32.159 because the truth is that we' ve been asked questions and I know 57 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:38.719 people who have a lot of doubts about what it' s like to be 58 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:43.919 dating someone who has achb or b h when you don' t have it 59 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.240 there are really a lot of questions about this topic and that' s what 60 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:50.960 we' re going to be talking about in today' s episode, too, 61 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:53.080 because I think we also need to remind people some things that are very 62 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:53.800 basic not and that we should all know about. So we' re going 63 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.520 to have that subject also with someone very specialized in the subject and I think 64 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.800 they' re going to love it. I say yes. But before we 65 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.319 start, I have a question for the day. Okay, OK says which 66 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:12.080 countries in Latin America recognize same- sex unions. I' ll answer you 67 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.439 five or four. I don' t know. I' m going Mexico, 68 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:23.439 OK, Brazil, OK, Cuba, which I found out recently, 69 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:30.560 Argentina, OK, Uruguay. I think it' s pretty progressive that you 70 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.199 saw them before or what pec I don' t have culture. OK here 71 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:38.480 they go is a longer list, but yes, all you said there are 72 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:43.319 Costa Rica, Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Chile, Colombia 73 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.360 and Uruguay, but Puerto Rico. That' s part of the United States, 74 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.759 well, but they' re Latino, because in Florida, there' 75 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:54.199 s me, too, or what. Yes, I suppose, no yes, 76 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.800 I love it, because there is no Venezuela, for example. That 77 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.879 ' s another fart. No yes, well yes, sadly, oh I 78 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:06.120 also have a question almost that I forget. Which states prevent the participation of 79 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:12.800 trans youth in sports of their gender identity in the United States. In the 80 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:23.120 United States, so Florida, Texas, Ohio, Selth Carl, Carol Line, 81 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:28.120 eh, Neta, yes to everyone you' ve said where they are. 82 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:32.480 Mitchcknal Kingstucky, as Mira is twenty- two, could tell us all, 83 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:36.120 but Oregon, Texas, Wyomi, Montana, Nordakota, Nebraska, Casas, 84 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:41.480 Oklahoma, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, 85 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.480 Georgia, Floridas, Saut Carolana, nor Caroline, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, 86 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.399 Indiana and Alaska. No, well, move Way, but you' 87 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:54.639 re not there. What other songs if I didn' t mention, no, 88 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.040 no, oh, no, yeah, yeah, Kentucky, why for 89 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:01.800 Kentucky, Friching, oh, yeah, I was there a week ago wey 90 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:04.319 wasn' t recommended. There' s no one there who' s here. 91 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:06.680 Yeah. I like it a lot, hy or ajaora that people were 92 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:11.600 a little more progressive, because I always go and I like very much I 93 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.319 people I know are very progressive, but not everyone is like that. And 94 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:17.519 well, California, obviously, ours on that list. Everyone here is welcome 95 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:24.360 and welcome here we are waiting for you, but we are going straight to 96 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:28.800 today' s first topic. Well, now we have our dearest gas fanatic, 97 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:33.759 who' s also a fan of divas entertainment. Of all this, 98 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:41.319 our friend Fernando how you are name very well ay I like that you are 99 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:46.759 here favorite to us also hear how fanatical you are Dekydimi Net, as ah 100 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.079 I have followed him since I was a child. I think that they Chuly 101 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:54.879 told me this homosexual to see how he made you homosexual You see that the 102 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:59.279 children are discovering you to their teenagers or something, well, I vina now 103 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.920 saw it. I said this woman Wow You see an example. It' 104 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.160 s not like she wants to do it, because we can talk about other 105 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:09.160 issues. But it was a wake up like I love detail, attention to 106 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:15.480 detail, and because I don' t know how many your favorite song of 107 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.839 kylem made it difficult to say, but I think the padme paw Ma, 108 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:24.959 Padam padam or you got it tattooed Muttley. You can see the tattoo and 109 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.279 if you' re not on YouTube, you have to go to YouTube to 110 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.360 see it, because the truth has a Padam tattoo. And besides, you 111 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:31.680 ' re gonna send us the picture, because we' re gonna put it 112 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:36.279 on so people can see the picture. When Kyliming didn' t get you 113 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:40.680 on stage in Vegas, because you taught him. Right there in the front 114 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.600 row. You' re in the front row, you showed her the tattoo, 115 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.079 and then she got you on the stage. Tell us, No, 116 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.439 because this incredible dream come true. Ah, I actually did the tattoo because 117 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:53.839 I represented. He became slank to Gay during that last year, which came 118 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.040 out at the Sommer in the summer. Yeah, so I said hey that 119 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.199 ' s it. My father identified me a lot. I love karlyno never 120 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:03.399 wanted to give me his name, but I said something that represents the ky 121 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.639 O community, something nice, something fun, which is what the song sans 122 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:09.839 represents yes, yes meet people. I said no, it' s okay. 123 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.120 I mean. I think this is good. Now better, I won 124 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.720 ' t regret it, but there are services to take them away. When 125 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.720 I went to the show in November, I tried to teach him if you 126 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.279 have to pay a lot to be just up to Vio and he told me 127 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.079 I want to teach everyone and that he goes up to me, because how 128 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.039 clear you won' t tell him that no and I had spain or what 129 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.159 pecs and I moaned I also said hold on, because don' t cry 130 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:39.080 on the stage to what it is profession is very good. I love this 131 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.480 all good. Today we are going to talk about two divas, Diva number 132 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:48.840 one, Madonna and Viva number two your favorite Kylen Menog and that there is 133 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.279 a rivalry between them. Let' s wait, let' s see why 134 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.600 the theory exists, let' s tell each other and see if we fight 135 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:03.159 then. But first we have a few questions that Caesar is going to be 136 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.720 good to you. Question number one, too. Who' s got the 137 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:11.240 pinana a la pi record Who' s got the record for the world' 138 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.120 s biggest sleepover. You know this. I think we' re gonna do 139 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:20.279 it by ruling out who. I say someone doesn' t have any information 140 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.600 about that, so I guess burned, because in a thousand nine hundred and 141 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:28.159 ninety- five, Madonna pajamas kicked out to promote the Beat Time Story video 142 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.960 at Webster Hall in front of 2, 000 people. And that' s 143 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.360 when well, because somehow this flesh was made this form of memory who left 144 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.679 you there because yes, because Madonna, because she has more fanatical the truth 145 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:50.679 I was invited to me. Second question, who is considered the global icon 146 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:56.399 by britis the GBT Awards. Depends on what year, if it was more 147 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:00.879 recent, it was Kylie, but I think Madonna received the Soward. I 148 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.919 don' t remember the year, but it was from the past albums. 149 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:07.240 But the GFT GBT and I or that I know where Kyley truth is, 150 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.600 well, Kyle my nok won in two thousand fifteen, and I because he 151 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.679 also beat Dolly Partohon, Elton John and Ellen the Genneers, who at this 152 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.039 time was still in the top, because we already know what happened next. 153 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:24.120 But chi, yeah, okay. Now let' s go with the other 154 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:30.240 one. Who won a Grammy for Best Pop Dance Recording. I just won 155 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:31.840 Kyliming, not yes. That' s good,' cause I just got 156 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.080 a Grammy greener ta. Then I' m not taking it off anymore. 157 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:37.720 Yeah, I can' t tell you anything anymore because I decide to curious 158 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.240 fact. I think it' s, like, 15 years since I didn 159 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:41.879 ' t win a gramming. I don' t remember the date well, 160 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.720 but it' s been a long time since he won a Grammy from even 161 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:48.639 Dans that his gender. Then it was very father to see someone make up 162 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:52.720 after all these years. Unbelievable, all right. And the other question is 163 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:58.360 who has had a song that has been like at the same time in more 164 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.519 countries in the Top Madonna ranking is much more popular word white. I guess, 165 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:07.399 then she must be a tough one. Yeah, and that was it. 166 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:13.559 You know what the song was. Ay Chan Chan Chan Who' s 167 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:22.519 the real Madonna fan, Hang Hang Gap heng aup already makes sense. Yeah, 168 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:28.840 move, yeah, it was super move. Güey I have once again, 169 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:33.240 please, no, no, thanks for the days in having to do 170 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.159 tangos light don' t give it ah Yes, it' s true, 171 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.240 it' s true, certain, yes, there began the mims. It 172 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.639 ' s true. You' re absolutely right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 173 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.919 But let' s start with these questions. We want who the real 174 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:56.320 gay icon is. Live gay, because there' s a rivalry between Kyley 175 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:00.639 fans and Madonna fans. I think it comes from two three parts. To 176 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:05.000 the first thing we just mentioned. Premations. Obviously, they have to compete 177 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.960 in certain categories at the same time in the same category with the cannes or 178 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:11.039 then that' s where the committing comes from. My wife' s better 179 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.679 than yours or something. No yes, my idol to my divi yes, 180 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.399 yes, the other one was very weird, like I don' t know 181 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.159 how much they peed. And that' s both from Ireland, uh what 182 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.480 a fan, not England, no, where they' re from, where 183 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:28.000 they' re from Australia' s Acá hiles. We know why I thought 184 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.320 Madonna was the one who moved to the UK for a long time. It 185 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.840 ' s good, Portugal is running away a lot, yes, it' 186 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.600 s moving a lot, but not here. I think he' s considered 187 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.120 an American, not much. But she got big in New York. In 188 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.679 fact, when I was reading Rupol' s story, he mentioned that he 189 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.279 saw Madonna as in the bars when she grew up, when she started working 190 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.879 in the bars as a waitress, etcetera. That was Madonna' s. 191 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:56.600 Oh, what a floor you hear, why you ignored each other, no 192 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:58.799 more because of the fact that there are gays. Oh, this is my 193 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:01.240 queen This is my living one. Well, we love fighting, not if 194 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:05.600 it' s like Olina Rubio, Thalía Dolin' s rough Fabulous. Aha 195 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:13.200 another episode, but I think nothing more like the immediacy of people wanting to 196 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:18.840 fight for their own taste and also the media. If you see interviews, 197 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.799 all of a sudden, how else they' re gonna pull this out, 198 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.600 how you see elisacu, this looks a lot like you, that is, 199 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.080 yes, then I say. I think it' s enough to sell a 200 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:30.759 note with tares. It' s very common for media people to want to 201 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:33.679 fight people, but if they don' t have a plate and but they 202 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.320 don' t have a plan then they don' t have a bogus one, 203 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:39.159 but they had a lawsuit or they didn' t or I never saw 204 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.080 them do a ch. I' d love to see you fight Pelucado like 205 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:48.799 that who' d win. I think Madonna was much stronger before. Right 206 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:50.639 now, I don' t know what do are in the third age. 207 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.960 I think so, but very father to see this. Hey, Kily, 208 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.320 how' s it look when he' s in concert, he looks active, 209 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:03.240 because more donates. I told this lady she' s getting tired in 210 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:07.159 the cha. With good reason, I mean I saw the show recently. 211 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.399 It' s amazing, but I love it when I' m forty. 212 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:13.559 Ah, yes, admirable, but yes, it is already great. Mrs 213 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.120 No. Then I' m going to go a little bit less, diverge 214 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.720 a little attention to other sides and I told Kailly I see her very excited. 215 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:26.279 I think he' s got a new air and he' s kind 216 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:28.679 of interesting to study. I don' t know what happened to him if 217 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.399 he went to revive or he' s consuming souls. Well, there' 218 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.240 s a two- touch question. You had Madonna, yeah, and you 219 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.840 had Kyle both. There you saw the two of us and we were at 220 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:45.200 the same concert, oh no manches ok ok ok but anyway, from one 221 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:50.679 to ten how fabulous was the show of Kyle ten in fucks of are ten 222 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:54.320 out of ten ok but one would ask also of Madona, because he because 223 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:58.919 I don' t want to have in them zets your answer of one to 224 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.240 ten what you give to Madonna, since one eight. But mostly but well, 225 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.879 yeah, because in the end there were a lot of moments when Madonna 226 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.639 disappeared from the stage and left us there with people you say ay these who 227 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.840 they are. If there were interesting people, there wasn' t bot the 228 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.759 Drack queen and there was your daughter who was on the piano too. And 229 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:20.799 finally, what does is that in the end, at the San Francisco Concert, 230 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:24.720 I got a lot of laughter because Madonna, at the San Francisco Concert, 231 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.879 she' s standing on the stage and the stage is sinking because she 232 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:30.919 ' s going to eat it. It' s basically gonna go away. 233 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:37.000 And I did and she said like so good night, Sam Sacramento and then 234 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:39.600 she didn' t. But the funniest thing was that then she said fuck 235 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:41.519 ha niw of was with a doubt, like she already knew she was going 236 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.159 to be wrong, she wasn' t clear about it, and that part 237 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:46.679 was very funny. Then, in the end, I didn' t know 238 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.799 if he did it on purpose or not, as if for one to remember 239 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.000 truth, the truth is small. He' s going to become a fan, 240 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.639 he' s going to make a fool out of us, because he 241 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.360 just did a performance on the other one. Exactly, and that and well, 242 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:06.080 from one to ten you give him ah you have a very good point. 243 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.240 I was going to give him a nine, but if there are dead 244 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:14.080 moments where, because I grabbed my cell phone, we took photos, not 245 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:18.320 then there were many dead moments where he has to recover his encouragement or change 246 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.840 his wardrobe. Truth is understood, but I' m already frustrated. What 247 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:23.720 is the age and difference between the two. Oh, that' s so 248 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:29.519 cool. Questions ah are not taken. I know this because, for some 249 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.399 reason of fate, all my women have been different for ten years. He 250 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:38.120 gives us sixty- five Kyle, fifty- five to difurted forty- five 251 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:42.200 a. Or, well, it makes sense that Kylie has, like, 252 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:45.799 more energy, no more. Yeah, I was gonna tell you maybe I 253 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:52.480 ' d go behind him to take his prek yes, pretty girl who won 254 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.360 ' t faint. I think every half hour or so the concert that lasted 255 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:59.000 two hours disappeared there. Yeah, I' m also saying it wasn' 256 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.279 t the three- hour beyoncé that went well, no ah but don' 257 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:04.759 t come for me queen that, in another perfect episode they' re very 258 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.200 important. Lover, he didn' t make his dream, he disappeared a 259 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.400 little bit. I put them in half an hour. That' s why 260 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.480 I' m dying of fainting, yes, exactly. I do respect to 261 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.960 see Joachim, what is the next subject, the next question canden de ay. 262 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:23.119 I think that was the last thing I had sha, because there is 263 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:27.440 one important thing and I want to know what your opinion is. What there 264 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.559 are songs from each one you think you, which has marked gay culture, 265 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:36.119 have some song, in particular that you say apart from padam apart from padum 266 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:40.279 a. Carly has a very good one called Old Lovers and I do think 267 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:42.599 it was very popular all over the world, including The Was who is very 268 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:47.559 father. Oh, weird. Then that was very father because it came from 269 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:52.279 a very nice message of loving family lovers, people, tranl cosis acts. 270 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:57.000 This gives you' re going to be a very pretty monkey of love and 271 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.200 taste. And besides, it was very variable. Bocio took it out in 272 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.440 Spanish how questionable. I haven' t seen her. I' ll listen 273 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:07.240 to her and see how we put it. There' s Dy has a 274 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:10.960 Spanish song, yes, the same one, but translated then she' s 275 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.279 not that father of and she sings it. This is like when Christina Aguilera 276 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:15.799 wants to sing in Spanish, ay, but she sings nice when she sang 277 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:22.240 with Alejandro Fernández che because like there if she hadn' t done it to 278 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:26.559 Christina Aguilera a tache why. Yeah, I know, Christina Aguilera has the 279 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.440 inheritance. But look good, Anyway and Madonna, what' s your song 280 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.119 you say marked a generation. I think he started to do a lot of 281 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:37.880 polemics with all the erotic ones. I don' t know if Express Gears 282 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.640 Of have that album, but it was their one from Ok. She talks 283 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.839 about being different. All right, do what you want, do what you 284 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:51.240 want, mother, whatever people say. I really liked Bok Yeah, and 285 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:55.640 I saw her at the fabulous concert and that one was used by beyonc Argon 286 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.680 Ground. There are many artists who are using it recently. We know there 287 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:06.319 was no insurance. They' re paying the sea of course, the rights. 288 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:11.640 Obviously we can identify what also close anal are the bock has. That 289 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.000 ' s a very good point he scored is that I feel that bog doesn 290 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.680 ' t have the gay message, he' s got enough jotty or it 291 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:21.799 ' s a thousand singles poge. I remember the concert. We didn' 292 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:25.480 t narrate as our n yes, but I think it was in an MTP 293 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.519 and that' s where it comes from that she was singing BUCG and the 294 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:33.319 men were going out with the white wigs, so kind of the colony and 295 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:36.119 men in dresses were coming out. And that' s when the polemic of 296 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:38.640 the song was made. And that' s how a song was as much 297 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:45.640 acquired by the collective the GBT Post and also because we must remember that people 298 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:49.960 made bo with that song. Not then do I think that' s where 299 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:52.480 the popularity of the song comes from, that I don' t know if 300 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:52.920 it' s in the' 80s to' 90s. Don' t blame 301 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.519 me for not remembering generations. No, yes, it was a black and 302 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.319 white, not the video. It wasn' t black and white, because 303 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.079 I' ve seen it many times on YouTube. But it was like a 304 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.839 pothole he hears and who' s most supportive of gays, the gay community, 305 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:14.839 and now they' re holding on to me. I feel like the 306 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.519 ally who was always there for us has always been Kyle. He never said 307 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.799 anything, bad, nothing. He hasn' t damaged the community, and 308 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:23.519 I think he always did it at heart. Right now. Above all, 309 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:29.240 they grab him a lot and ask him that Madonna, I think he has 310 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:33.319 too many struggles and is thanked too much, yes, yes, but he 311 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.200 grabbed too many things and he also got poor, that is, he had 312 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:41.920 to defend feminism, he had to defend the gays, people with p ah 313 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:42.880 did very good work with that. In fact, you' re grateful for 314 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.880 everything, but poor thing. Yeah, he was touched, but that was 315 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:48.359 his time, right, and I remember in two thousand four he also financially 316 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:56.480 supported the pp Prate of the Angels. Ah Wow, I didn' t 317 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:57.880 know then. I feel that if you have to give someone a statue, 318 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.440 it must be Madonna for all the struggles that were presented to her and she 319 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:07.000 ' s the warrior and Apples representing us. Yeah, I fell She had 320 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.880 it real easy. He just got the droplets, and now he' s 321 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:14.200 got it easy. Or you think he earned it. He earned it, 322 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:17.759 that is also the jackery and that we will never leave tefrado, that is, 323 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:19.519 he always was at the foot of us, there are always the prides. 324 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:25.599 He' s gonna be there, out there the chrome of it and 325 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:26.839 go on and on, that is always. It' s been a very 326 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.440 good life and never fucks up saying, but good. And finally, I 327 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:33.200 want to ask you. I' m sure you know that they' re 328 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.240 not rivals. We already know, we already know that you' re staying 329 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:41.039 with kyliminao which will be the question that we have from the beginning of the 330 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.359 program knowing who your fan was who you were the most, Fanny you supported 331 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:45.319 the most we see you. If they' re on YouTube, they can 332 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:49.079 see they also have a show shirt in Vegas. He' s got the 333 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.960 tattoo, I mean, this man is already dressed in ke removeut and he 334 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:57.319 ' s also in red, like the suit Kyley wore for Padan Padán' 335 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:00.599 s video, which I love, and in fact, that song now is 336 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.160 about me talking to you. The other day the song returned to my Spotify. 337 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:07.000 I don' t know what happened, but I do want to know 338 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:11.519 that you' ve been telling me that they don' t have any kind 339 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:15.559 of quarrel or fight, real, which is something that people have created more, 340 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.160 but they also sang together not recent recent events show that they are not 341 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:21.960 enemies. Uh- huh Tell me about it. I don' t know 342 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.400 why fate put this episode on right now at this time. No luck, 343 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:30.440 because this would have changed just like ours. I don' t know, 344 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:37.880 but recently Kyle went to the madonnand Ella concert and it was very significant, 345 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:42.160 because they showed us that they' re not enemies who support each other and 346 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:45.680 that they love each other very much, because the way he showed up also 347 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:49.759 matters a lot. Madonnald once wore a street shirt because I wanted to support 348 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:53.119 her and say I like Kylie, I love coloring with her, but it 349 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:59.519 was always like very vague and this and Kyle to return the favor. What 350 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:03.519 I wanted is this exactly good, very similar, very similar to how she 351 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.880 showed up. When Kaylee got dressed and street got on a Madonna T- 352 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.440 shirt. Oh cool no more than there was in the neighborhood and I came 353 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:15.279 to see what fart with ayen is planned. The pair that the Kyley and 354 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:19.880 the Madonna bring was hoisted. Right now he won the peace polisher. Very 355 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:25.240 well, very well to demonstrate to all the little eyeballs that there is no 356 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:30.240 quarrel and they sang of ible survive, which is a very special theme for 357 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:34.400 very representative. The two survivors do not go through all the wars that touched 358 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:38.759 him and Kayli, as it was the cancer that touched him. Ah what 359 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:42.559 a nice message, very nice it is like the two are very ah well, 360 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.960 total livers Yes, very nice they put you between them, instead of 361 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.599 being feeding this average, of course using a little love between mom. All 362 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.519 right. Well, Fernando, thank you so much for joining us today. 363 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:00.000 We' re gonna have you back in another episode, because we have more 364 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.640 questions for you about everything. Joaquin and I were talking before who is the 365 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:08.319 diva of every generation. You can leave us comments on this podcast, but 366 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.799 we' re going to talk about it. In another episode with you too 367 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.200 because I think you' re going to have enough to say about this, 368 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:17.440 right, because we' re not of the same generation. Then we have 369 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:19.319 to do research. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and besides, I think 370 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:22.720 my life is gonna be different, so I want to see what your opinion 371 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.759 is about that. What did you say, Culvina, no, no, 372 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.839 Bowl, it wasn' t, but no longer Latina. Yeah. Well, 373 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.400 thank you Franando for being with us. Thanks, well, we' 374 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:38.680 re already with Gustavo Ordoñez, he' s project manager of the organization Eagles 375 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:42.720 in San Francisco and they have a particular program that helps with mental health and 376 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:47.480 also with the sexual health of Hispanics in the bay area and surely the safe 377 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:51.200 area is bigger. Gustavo, thank you for being with us. The first 378 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.200 thing I' m going to tell you and if you' re not on 379 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.440 YouTube, you' re not at all, in case you' re in 380 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.000 Spotify or Apple Podcast, because the uffi you like today is fabulous. Yeah, 381 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.519 well, I think I' m on YouTube, but for the reason 382 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.160 they' re not very correct. Well, that wouldn' t be lifeless. 383 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:11.440 So you' re right, but this money is straight. I love 384 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.880 it, I don' t love all the thanks for inviting me a pleasure 385 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.039 to be here and share a little, because what I do my day to 386 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:19.839 day, my Monday, to Friday, my nine to five in the afternoon. 387 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:26.359 So what you want to know with pleasure, perfect before you start from 388 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.599 where you have an accent. I' m from Venezuela. Oh, yeah, 389 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:30.839 ' cause you don' t have an accent. I have nothing, 390 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:37.359 I speak, but asshole when I am making you Venezuela, but when I 391 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.079 believe myself then I leave you a little my accent to do is neutral a 392 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:44.880 never knows background, but how you do it, because I don' t 393 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:45.960 know what accent I have. I don' t know. I don' 394 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.960 t know how to reduce the accent. I have a nod and point you 395 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:55.039 have an accent from Venezuela. Not mixed with Spanish. Well, there goes 396 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:59.039 the important thing. I lived in Spain, too. So sometimes I also 397 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:03.599 get a little bit out of Spanish when I' m Spanish, but I 398 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.440 ' m originally in Maracaibo, Venezuela. We have a very particular accent. 399 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.039 It' s the only city in Venezuela that speaks traditional Spanish like that of 400 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:17.240 Spain, and I only get out when I' m around other maracúchos. 401 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:22.519 Not thank God, because it' s very complicated to understand, but it 402 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.039 ' s nice. Is it interesting? Is it different? Is it different? 403 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:27.839 I love it good, Gustavo. I think to do this, to 404 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.319 do this a little more allusive than people understand it better. I would like 405 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.319 you to tell me a little bit of a story that has caught the attention 406 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.720 of a person who has come in search of help to eagles, so that 407 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:45.160 people can understand in situation how all this is handled. Not good. As 408 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:49.680 you mentioned earlier, eagle focuses on sexual health and mental health. So, 409 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:56.599 usually that' s the approach that we usually have from people who are looking 410 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.359 to be members or to be customers of eagles. When it comes to sexual 411 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:06.960 cell. In the Latinex community, especially AUGBT, there are a lot of 412 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.319 stigmas that move around the community. So it' s not a topic that 413 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:17.400 you can talk about or that you can mean, how to enter it openly, 414 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.960 like any other person, you have to first calm them down, make 415 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:27.279 them understand that they' re in a safe space, that they' re 416 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:33.039 not in danger, because even let' s say if I' m going 417 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:38.319 to do a really small parenthesis when a person is going to go into a 418 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.359 medical system with respect to admission, prep, or they start their treatment or 419 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:47.680 whatever, the first fear is what documents they' re going to ask me 420 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:49.279 for, of course, because if they' re in documented, then they 421 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.559 think they' re going to get into a system and they' re going 422 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:52.559 to realize that they don' t have documents and they' re going to 423 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.559 deport them and you have them. So it' s pretty delicate how to 424 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.279 touch on the subject and make people feel safe first. It' s like 425 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.920 or like the first step. But, to be clear, that doesn' 426 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:10.240 t happen. It' s not going to clarify why California is a sanctuary 427 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:14.279 state, which means you can' t be deported unless you comment on a 428 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.359 crime or there' s a compelling reason to deport you. But if it 429 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:21.960 ' s just because you were stopped on the street and you don' t 430 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.200 have these documents, there' s no reason for any authority to deport you. 431 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.519 However, the law says that if it' s a hundred miles from 432 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.519 some of California' s borders, for example, if you' re in 433 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:41.640 San Diego and you' re miles from the border with Mexico, then there 434 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.359 ' s one say. The authorities who are at the borders have the right 435 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.640 to deport you, but only within those hundred miles ok and they have to 436 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.519 have a compelling reason. Of course, for example, you' re getting 437 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:59.279 undocumented. This is done mainly by people who said cross, because walking or 438 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.359 clear 100, of course, let' s say in an illegal way, 439 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:08.480 then it' s the only, the only condition, which is the strongest, 440 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:15.079 when a person doesn' t have documents, then, going back to 441 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.559 the medical issue, once the Latinos knock on the eagle door, that' 442 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:26.039 s our first step, making him feel comfortable, making him feel safe, 443 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.599 because once we pass the limit of safety or that they feel, that you 444 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:33.960 know they' re comfortable, then comes the part of the stigma, the 445 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.480 fact that they can talk about their sexuality. Openly. To give you a 446 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:44.480 small example, I got a person who tells me well, what happens is 447 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.640 that I am. So that' s in case you didn' t hear 448 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.440 him. He said very accurately it was every time he said it, that 449 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:57.519 is me, as I have gladly liked how old this person is. It 450 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:02.079 was approaching is that I' ve had several cases. I don' t 451 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:06.480 know. The age range can vary greatly and can range from very young people 452 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:11.599 to a person who or is of age, that is, fefty plus, 453 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:18.240 as I say to you is our community in general and is generally rooted in 454 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.519 an education issue. However, one thing that seemed very interesting to me about 455 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.599 this person, for example, was that every time he said gay he lowered 456 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.599 his voice tone to a minimum. So it was because you know that I 457 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:36.599 ' m which one was something that, I mean, it was kind of 458 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.920 like I' m doing a speech that goes weird there because I, I 459 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.640 mean, I don' t know if it was that my ear stopped watching 460 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.240 the audio fail. Yes, the audio was failing me, they were disconnecting 461 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:52.000 me like that or something, but I have the right to ask then one 462 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:57.519 of the things that I really like. But you have to feel comfortable with 463 00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:03.920 discomfort. In my position, you have to ask very uncomfortable questions, of 464 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.400 course, and you have to do it safely and comfortably, because if you 465 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.400 ' re insecure and if you' re uncomfortable, that' s what you 466 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:17.000 project, then people feed on that energy and they can shut down. And 467 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.519 that' s the biggest one is like the worst of cases. Yeah, 468 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:25.799 what you want is the opposite. You want this person to kind of open 469 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:29.759 up and feel comfortable and tell you what' s going on or what situation 470 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.920 it is he had, what' s feeling anything, but open them up, 471 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:38.799 because already once they open up, your job is done. Then. 472 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:47.519 That is one of the stories that seems to me to be somewhat particular and 473 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:55.920 rooted in stigma and all those concepts that we bring from our culture. I 474 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.799 still have people who tell me that I do from the environment. How interesting 475 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.759 now that they mentioned something about eagles. The environment is the slogan of the 476 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.519 foundation. I think the main intention was that, because to tell people how 477 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:15.680 this is an environment area. For example, when I was starting with my 478 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.359 gay gay life, it wasn' t said you' re gay, you 479 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.960 ' re ambient. Okay, yeah. I' m going to the ambiance 480 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.839 record, too I' m going to the ambiance bar. It was ambient. 481 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.359 It' s true, like the Chico Court. So this person, 482 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:37.160 this person, for example, is almost sixty years older, so he was 483 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.119 like not that since I am of environments that I am of environment, you 484 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:44.319 never said that I follow. So what I was doing was I was repeating 485 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:49.039 how to say gay. Okay, I was telling her you' re gay, 486 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.440 but how do you identify yourself? You' re gay, but how 487 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.079 do you identify yourself if you have to identify yourself with something, which one 488 00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:57.599 would you use. Yeah, especially because in your position you also have to 489 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:01.119 know if you' re gay, or if you' re bisexual or if 490 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.359 you' re having sex with more than one more, because in the end 491 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.039 you need to know all this data to be able to process the case. 492 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:08.839 No, and that' s something I wanted to ask you. Most cases 493 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:14.119 that you receive when people go we already know that you are working for the 494 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:19.720 Latin Community, whether it is the case of BH or whether it is in 495 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:24.279 cases of STDS. What is the normal reaction of people. They take it 496 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:29.720 as more natural and simply come looking for help or they still come as well 497 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:32.200 as with that fear of because passing the security barrier you commented before, passing 498 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:36.720 the barrier of or, how you identify yourself, how they feel once they 499 00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:43.119 have to say, is that I found out that I' m clear there 500 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.200 really isn' t a reaction, as it can go, from something very 501 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:50.799 very positive to something very very negative. And that' s why we, 502 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:57.799 too, as we combined, did it with mental health, because immediately from 503 00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:04.559 my position I, if I see a negative reaction to you with vh with 504 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.920 a sexually transmitted disease, the first thing I do is get you in therapy 505 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.400 with our counselors, because that' s going to give you the chance to 506 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.159 have a space that' s for you alone. And obviously, counselors are 507 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:21.199 going to have tools that you can use to digest this information. However, 508 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:27.639 one of the very particular cases and this to not make it so serious, 509 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:31.760 but the same time I want to give them a little bit of itch to 510 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:38.559 the information is that I have a member that he came in with fear that 511 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:45.840 he would be infected with HIV or with a sexually transmitted disease and I ask 512 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.960 him why do you think that happened. It' s not like I' 513 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.559 ve been having unprotected sex for the weekend. Then I' ll tell him 514 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:58.480 what you just said. I tell you who you had sex with men with 515 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:06.159 women, not just men. And I go, okay how many couples you 516 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.000 had and it tells me well, in the group they were like this is 517 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:10.960 not a person. Let' s say twenty and tell him I ah, 518 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.679 it was a group of people and he tells me yes, and I ok 519 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.840 a, how many of them you knew none, uff ok what fran, 520 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.920 how many of them you had sex and he tells me with all of them 521 00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.800 I was the only passive. Oh hard days I tell you, I oh, 522 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:37.800 okay this how many of them had protection. None of them know they 523 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.480 use a test, which is protected in some way. I don' t 524 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.400 know, they' re all strangers. So they just like you have to 525 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.480 ask this question and you can' t teach and I stayed so you have 526 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.280 me, you can react. At the end of the day, this isn 527 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:59.599 ' t something I don' t hear, like other frequencies as well as 528 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:07.000 me, as well as that Ok every time you do this and him and 529 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:12.079 that well, practically every end I read I Ok let' s talk about 530 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.719 high- risk situations, low- risk situations. Not how you identify yourself, 531 00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:22.599 I' m another Ok. That' s okay. Is this a 532 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.440 real case? Is this a real case? This is a real case. 533 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:31.119 He has his wife and has his children, and he likes to go to 534 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:39.159 sex parties or oesias and likes to do the victim. So it' s 535 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.880 OK and no, but it' s not in prep. Or then he 536 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.679 ' s not in prep. He doesn' t like to use gifts, 537 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.880 he' s afraid of tests. And that' s when my job gets 538 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.599 hard. Yeah, what did you do? Me. What I do is 539 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:58.440 break the information so that you can digest it slowly so that it doesn' 540 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.239 t feel like first I' m blaming you for something or, second, 541 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:08.320 that you necessarily have something, because there are many sex parties that ask for 542 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:14.280 you. Yeah, well, it proves that you don' t have any 543 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.079 sexually transmitted diseases or that you' re in prep to protect others. Also 544 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:24.719 of course, then I told him about high- risk situations, risk situations 545 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.840 how to prevent it if you don' t want to. If you don 546 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:34.119 ' t want to, you can start any kind of treatment right now. 547 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.679 The technology is very advanced. Then, we already have preb that you can 548 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.599 make it a month, every two months, every three months or almost months. 549 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.119 Yeah, it' s just an injection every six months. Don' 550 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.960 t suggest I' ll change you. It' s an injection. You 551 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.320 wear it and forget it for six months. However, for people who are 552 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.800 starting PREEP who have not taken it before, in the same way, they 553 00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:01.880 ask you for at least thirty days of testing to reinforce that shield that I 554 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.079 have of some sexually transmitted disease or HIV, like or like, but it 555 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.159 is coming. We have to finish the story. What happened to the lord, 556 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.280 I mean, after you got it, you asked all the right questions. 557 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.400 I used PREPT I didn' t use prep. What happened? Well, 558 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:27.400 we have an ally called Alans of Project. It is a program of 559 00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:35.039 UCS San Francisco, which gives you direct access to this because medicines like REPS 560 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.880 and in fact I don' t know if you know, but there is 561 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:45.039 also the PEP PP, which is when you feel that you have exposed to 562 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.039 a person I tell you look you were exposed, taken in the next seventy 563 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:58.280 - two works or protect that is being doxyc, a PP business for HIV, 564 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.199 DOXI for sexual effpresion. You don' t know me PEP no less 565 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.519 knew the Doxip PREPPS. If he knew me and the PREP was good. 566 00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.480 Obviously, and then this person would first know with my ally two and we 567 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:15.599 put him on a program to start preb However, we tried to follow op, 568 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:21.960 but he never appeared to me on that one. I think it' 569 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.880 s the negative comparison of my work, too. I can' t legally 570 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.000 pursue anyone. Sure, I can do follow op. He can make calls 571 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.000 to you or he can cream you or send you a letter, but if 572 00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:39.960 there' s no answer to pitifully, I can' t take any more 573 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.159 action unless I feel like you' re in real danger. Sure, then, 574 00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.920 in the end you sent him to your health allies. I imagine that 575 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.920 if it was done some tests to know if something was going on and it 576 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:59.400 didn' t come back, then the test is done, regardless if the 577 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.760 tests are positive or negative and or your us in pref They put you to 578 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.679 start, well, the whole process and so that you can protect yourself, 579 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:13.159 especially when you' re sexually active like this person. But, however, 580 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.760 I can' t be there all clear, tomatola take it, but here, 581 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.639 in San Francisco, or California, there are resources for the PP to 582 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:28.599 be free. Right. Yes, I' m California and specifically San Francisco 583 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:34.320 is one of the cities that has advanced studies for sexually transmitted diseases and HIV. 584 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:40.239 So there are big companies like VV O like which school is the other. 585 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:47.679 There are two companies that are big girls that, in fact, one 586 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.519 is becoming sponsor of the stry Crash group. Yeah, I saw Mister' 587 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:57.599 s publicity. No. No, no, no, no, v Heal 588 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.559 Vive healer Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And these other ones 589 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:08.280 that are groghries or houses that make ceutic forms and they have a studies that 590 00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:13.320 are super advanced. Super- advanced, because PP' s giliar company is 591 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:20.199 here in San Francisco. Yeah, from Ranby Feldker. They also have main 592 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:25.400 offices here. However, they are from the East Coast. So they are 593 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:30.920 the ones who practically have the most advanced studies and are already here in San 594 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.440 Francisco, because they already know with all the rights and with all the laws 595 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:42.320 that we have developed as a community, because we have had the great advantage 596 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.199 that we are as a nucleus where all kinds of technologies are developed. And, 597 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:54.039 well, we also have the support of the General Hospital of the Marshockberg, 598 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.639 which he donated. He built it and donated it, I think it 599 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.840 was eighty- five million dollars for him. Study of bah Afrom Misonon and 600 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:07.360 lex Abinte. Okay, then. Looks to me like you' ve got 601 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.039 two five bucks. Yeah, well, yeah, it came out of his 602 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:13.519 pocket and he didn' t notice. But they' re equal well, 603 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.079 big, maybe it' s important, maybe it' s another name thing. 604 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.400 That' s a nice gesture. Well, that' s the Robot, 605 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:22.519 ' cause now I' m snooping around, I like him better. 606 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:30.199 Now I want to move quickly to a round of quick questions, because at 607 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:35.920 the beginning of the program we were talking about that we wanted to give information 608 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:39.320 to people, because there is still a lot of stigma on social networks, 609 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.840 in Grinder, especially when a person and this talked to a friend the other 610 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.480 day, when a person says in Wriden, for example, that there is 611 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.239 BH or Chib like there is a stigma, no, like a lot of 612 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:51.760 people say ay no. Well, I don' t want to chat with 613 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:52.920 this one,' cause I don' t want anything to happen to me. 614 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.519 No. So I want to do as a round of quick questions for 615 00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.920 people who are dating a person who has a chip so that they have more 616 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.039 true information. The first question is whether my partner is HIV- positive undetectable, 617 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:12.800 I should continue to take prep. You should continue to take PREP if 618 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.119 you are sexually active with other people. If you are dating someone who is 619 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:21.320 undetectable and is an onogamous relationship and you decide not to take PREEP and this 620 00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:27.280 person continues to take their medications regularly and remains undetectable, the risk of getting 621 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:36.159 HIV is practically zero. When you should tell your appointment that you are HIV 622 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:42.800 positive UFFF MI recommend if I would be immediately. However, this is like 623 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.960 a second closet. You have to get out of your closet and you have 624 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:51.320 to be comfortable and you have to feel confident about what you' re saying, 625 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:57.480 because I mean, after all, there are diseases that are much more 626 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.599 risky and people don' t talk about them. However, as there is 627 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:06.679 a stigma behind HIV in our community, I would recommend it immediately. However, 628 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.960 if it' s your personal opinion, don' t do it because 629 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:15.039 you have your medications, you' re undetectable. It' s like an 630 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:20.760 option you can also take If you think if you' re exposed to IHVBH, 631 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.960 how fast you can know what the steps are. Well, as I 632 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:30.079 mentioned earlier, if you were with a person who had sex, there was 633 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:36.079 no protection and this person tells you Mira, he was diagnosed with HIV. 634 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:43.360 Or I have IH the best option immediately if you can get it for free 635 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:49.320 at clinics like Strat in Castle, and you can also do it through you. 636 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:54.679 This sure cousin ok. After that, obviously, evidence is the most 637 00:44:54.760 --> 00:45:00.719 contundant. But, however, this H has not appeared in a test before 638 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:08.000 two weeks. Faster it has appeared is two weeks, fourteen days for you 639 00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:13.719 to take a test and be positive, if it' s really positive. 640 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.559 But, however, this is the fastest. That doesn' t mean you 641 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:21.239 ' re gonna get out. You. Of course there are people who have 642 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:23.960 lived with VVH for years. They' ve never figured it out because you 643 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:30.239 remember this is a virus that' s multiplying. So it all depends on 644 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.639 this is related to the vile viral load is, the amount of copies you 645 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.519 have on your body. So, once the virus starts multiplying, copies start 646 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.480 coming out, your viral load increases, and that' s when it starts 647 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:50.199 showing in your exams. However, there are people who have had it for 648 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:55.360 a long time and have not multiplied. Then the virus doesn' t really 649 00:45:55.360 --> 00:46:01.800 show up. There are even cases where one speaks of a false positive that 650 00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:07.039 are even other viruses and gives positive for abai ah Wow. That' s 651 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:13.039 why there are generations of tests. Totally free ones are a generic test. 652 00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:16.199 But there' s a test that' s called and I don' t 653 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:21.559 know why they haven' t changed his fourth generation name. I think it 654 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:27.280 ' s related to the fact that it' s exposed to like four different 655 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.519 elements that make the virus react. And then, if this, if you 656 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:35.119 already get positive, this, if already definitive, that would be my recommendation. 657 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.320 Super interesting knowing this is gonna be a little story I have. I 658 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:42.239 once met a person I didn' t know, obviously, because we met 659 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:47.679 at a party that was vh positive. And so that day we went to 660 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:52.280 sleep together, but there was no sex because the person said no, we 661 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:53.079 can' t have sex and I said no. I understand nothing, but 662 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:57.039 I told you your drunk, let' s go to sleep and in the 663 00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:58.559 morning he explained it to me and I said ah, well, look. 664 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:00.320 This has never happened to me, but that one person who has the detail 665 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.440 to tell you looks. Here' s what it is. If that' 666 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.719 s not why I didn' t want to expose you, I mean, 667 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:09.800 I' m undetectable, but this is one thing that' s how I 668 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:13.639 do it I want to tell you first and then you make the decision whether 669 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:15.239 you want to have a relationship with me or not. And I thought it 670 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.639 was super honest. I thought it was a very straightforward way to do it, 671 00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:22.079 and I had no problem with that. There was no problem and we 672 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:28.239 went out several times in fact, but I found it very nice that the 673 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:29.960 person had this kind of reaction. And I think that' s good. 674 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.480 As you said, it depends on each person and how you want to say 675 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.079 it some people kind of have it more internalized, but it seems very positive 676 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:38.800 to me. It was the first time that happened to me and I, 677 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.320 obviously and this I want to be very honest, it was the first time 678 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.960 that happened to me and I was like inside I was in shock, but 679 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:51.880 I also said take prep, I have education, I know how everything works 680 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:53.239 then, but internally I was still in shock. We hadn' t done 681 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:55.840 anything, but I was still in shock, but then the chow is like 682 00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.119 the shock is because it' s the first time it happens to you, 683 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:01.000 not because you' re not protected, not because you don' t have 684 00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:02.679 the information, not because this person hasn' t told you that he' 685 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.840 s with all his medications. Not then sometimes it' s like if things 686 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:08.800 can surprise us a little bit, but if we have the right information and 687 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.039 education and resources, we can go forward with whatever it is. No. 688 00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.360 And in the end, if you' re making a person who' s 689 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.000 HIV positive you don' t have, why deny that relationship. All of 690 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.320 you, if you are taking the steps, the steps indicated, as Gustavo 691 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:29.159 explained, I have friends who are married to a person who is positive and 692 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.519 has a normal life, not that of already, and that is that, 693 00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:38.360 in fact, as I said before, now with new technologies, you can 694 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:45.079 have even more normal than normal, because now you can have your injection every 695 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.199 so many months and you can continue your life. It' s not like 696 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:52.239 a person who has high blood pressure or something so they have to be forever 697 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:58.079 has to take that blessed little pills. Already the diet yes, the icho 698 00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.280 is also highly recommended, since taking care of a lot of food and your 699 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:07.880 health. But technology' s kind of moving super fast. Let' s 700 00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:12.320 remember that it' s been, like, 30 years since it started, 701 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:16.159 that the VVH drugs and right now started. We' re already like a 702 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:21.960 super- used. But the best weapon for any issue that has to do 703 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:29.320 with sexual health, which is education. Sequentially in eagles, it was in 704 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:35.679 a lot of information. Usually I distribute around sex toys stores or bars that 705 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:39.320 I distribute one I call them the condom keats and they have condoms and they 706 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:46.159 have locational, but it also has qarquates one where it talks about sexual health 707 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:52.559 and also how to use a condom because they believe or not. Believe it 708 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.639 or not. I don' t believe you there weren' t any otuses 709 00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:58.800 that don' t know how to use a condom, yeah, yeah, 710 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.719 believe it, yeah, but stick them in their mouths and clean this up, 711 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:06.559 you know this and don' t do it. So the gargajira to 712 00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:13.280 what we won' t talk. I love it and my little gift where 713 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.000 my condom is, my luplicant. Now the ca ah sorry, ok ok 714 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:21.159 ok that then we block the video here sa in fact, yes I have 715 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:25.360 it there. So I have that and it' s also a quarqute that 716 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:32.639 leads you directly to do something about HIV testing or some kind of sexual transmission, 717 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.599 so I give them one over here. Of course, we have them 718 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:39.480 here for the guests as well. Thank you for being with us. Gustavo 719 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:43.480 the truth that I love you we will also have for this, for other 720 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.079 topics, to talk with you, because here we have very good vibra and 721 00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:50.480 we love tribe The sale is that yes and I learned a lot. Yeah, 722 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.480 I thought I knew a lot, but no more. I don' 723 00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:59.719 t like anything. In fact, if you' d like to break HIV, 724 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.960 for example, now that you mentioned the deirin apps and h I have 725 00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.599 a lot of information about that as well as how you can open the issue 726 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.599 and do it in a healthy way or find out when a person is attacking 727 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:21.360 you or using it as an armada against you ah Wow, because that is, 728 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:25.119 regardless of whether San Francisco is very based, we still have those people 729 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:31.000 who don' t have two front fingers and they' re using it as 730 00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:32.239 a weapon to make it clear and sadly the reality elsewhere is worse. Let 731 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:36.960 ' s imagine that your podcast is reaching people who don' t even live 732 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.840 here in California, but are reaching places where it' s a little more 733 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:44.400 extreme. This condition, because I think it would do you a lot of 734 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.119 good. Of course, we' re gonna have you taste it again so 735 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.960 you can tell us a lot more about this. Others you are already perfect 736 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.920 there our other offic care for us to have in the next video. You 737 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.679 know you can also see us on YouTube on delivery. Thank you, Gustavo, 738 00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:02.519 and we' re still here Chao Chao made baby. Well, delivery 739 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:07.920 friends, that was our show today. We remind them that we are on 740 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:14.079 Instagram as between gay bass scripts. We are also on Facebook, tiktok that 741 00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:21.880 I lack one, youjube YouTube and we also have our website between gas Net, 742 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:29.880 where we can also already give a donation via stripe or m petryon the 743 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.000 petryon is monthly. If they want to support us on a monthly basis, 744 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.440 that would be great. This takes a lot of work and a little bit 745 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.480 of myth, but good x this. We thank you for listening to us 746 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.639 today and we see the next one. By Bye,