About what it' s like to date someone who has ACB or pH when
you don' t want it. There are certainly many questions on this subject.
Hey, you' re such a fan of Kylin. Slowly, then
ah often since he was a child. I think Chalymax Soft homosexual already to
see how he made you gay when it comes to sexual health. In the
community it has x especially from OGBTT. There' s a lot of stigma
that moves around the clique. Your ho hello world gas. I' m
César Salsa and this is Joaquin Come on, let' s go And this
is gay, the gayest podcast you' re gonna find. And if not,
then here we try. You know we' re from San Francisco,
California, one of America' s most gated makas. I' d say
I don' t say about the world, because I' ve already lived
in Madrid ten well, Gay, oh yeah, super or I' ve
never been, but this summer. So, all right, I' m
going to give you recommendations and you, if you have recommendations for Joaquin,
leave them anyway you can make a mid up and you can find them in
Madrid and people take you to places. I see him. Yes, it
would be, we wanted to make a city of Mexico, I do want
or in Puerto Vallarta, Super Gay yes, now I don' t know
which is the most good city in the world. You saw everything. There
are so many. They' re growing up. If there are many,
there are many. Well, today we have a super fun and interesting podcast,
too, because we have to build ourselves. One of the issues we
' re going to have is who you think Joaquin is the undisputed queen of
gays when it comes to singers. And the truth is, we' ve
seen that there' s a lot of duality right now. There are,
on the one hand, those who support Madonna, those who support Kyl and
Minch You who you think would be the indisputable queen between the two of them.
I' d say Madonna, because Belan Brasil brought a bunch of people,
because yes, it might be Madonna, it might be Kyle. I
have to say that the truth is I, when I' m in Spain,
not like I didn' t hear too much Kyly, but I haven
' t been too fan of Madonna either. I love it. I went
to the concert here in San Francisco. He did it super well, but
to talk about it we' re going to have a pop culture expert to
Fernando who' s going to be telling us about these rivalries and they'
re really rivals or not. Who has more merit than the other. Who
do you think will win? I know it might be that some of them
go after Kyle and some of them go after Madonna. Save your feelings until
we get to the interview, which I think you will enjoy, because Fernando
is very much in love with both of you and knows a lot about culture.
Yeah, and you' re gonna see how fanatical he is and now,
but the truth is, I have to say, I' m wondering.
I' d say I don' t think either of my generation is.
That' s what I' d say, just like I don'
t know Brinney Spears, that' s yours, I don' t know,
but I don' t. I think I have a queen, just
like I don' t like it any different. I say shackida güey because
always in the club, as well as there are more hips to stupeda.
Yeah, I really like Shakira, though I don' t know if she
' s a gay world queen. I also like Dana Paola I did see
her about two months ago. I saw her last year in Mexico City.
Help. They live north. All right, all right, you see we
' re past it. We spent time traveling to Mexico because we love it.
Yes, and we' re also going to have a very interesting topic,
because the truth is that we' ve been asked questions and I know
people who have a lot of doubts about what it' s like to be
dating someone who has achb or b h when you don' t have it
there are really a lot of questions about this topic and that' s what
we' re going to be talking about in today' s episode, too,
because I think we also need to remind people some things that are very
basic not and that we should all know about. So we' re going
to have that subject also with someone very specialized in the subject and I think
they' re going to love it. I say yes. But before we
start, I have a question for the day. Okay, OK says which
countries in Latin America recognize same- sex unions. I' ll answer you
five or four. I don' t know. I' m going Mexico,
OK, Brazil, OK, Cuba, which I found out recently,
Argentina, OK, Uruguay. I think it' s pretty progressive that you
saw them before or what pec I don' t have culture. OK here
they go is a longer list, but yes, all you said there are
Costa Rica, Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Chile, Colombia
and Uruguay, but Puerto Rico. That' s part of the United States,
well, but they' re Latino, because in Florida, there'
s me, too, or what. Yes, I suppose, no yes,
I love it, because there is no Venezuela, for example. That
' s another fart. No yes, well yes, sadly, oh I
also have a question almost that I forget. Which states prevent the participation of
trans youth in sports of their gender identity in the United States. In the
United States, so Florida, Texas, Ohio, Selth Carl, Carol Line,
eh, Neta, yes to everyone you' ve said where they are.
Mitchcknal Kingstucky, as Mira is twenty- two, could tell us all,
but Oregon, Texas, Wyomi, Montana, Nordakota, Nebraska, Casas,
Oklahoma, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama,
Georgia, Floridas, Saut Carolana, nor Caroline, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio,
Indiana and Alaska. No, well, move Way, but you'
re not there. What other songs if I didn' t mention, no,
no, oh, no, yeah, yeah, Kentucky, why for
Kentucky, Friching, oh, yeah, I was there a week ago wey
wasn' t recommended. There' s no one there who' s here.
Yeah. I like it a lot, hy or ajaora that people were
a little more progressive, because I always go and I like very much I
people I know are very progressive, but not everyone is like that. And
well, California, obviously, ours on that list. Everyone here is welcome
and welcome here we are waiting for you, but we are going straight to
today' s first topic. Well, now we have our dearest gas fanatic,
who' s also a fan of divas entertainment. Of all this,
our friend Fernando how you are name very well ay I like that you are
here favorite to us also hear how fanatical you are Dekydimi Net, as ah
I have followed him since I was a child. I think that they Chuly
told me this homosexual to see how he made you homosexual You see that the
children are discovering you to their teenagers or something, well, I vina now
saw it. I said this woman Wow You see an example. It'
s not like she wants to do it, because we can talk about other
issues. But it was a wake up like I love detail, attention to
detail, and because I don' t know how many your favorite song of
kylem made it difficult to say, but I think the padme paw Ma,
Padam padam or you got it tattooed Muttley. You can see the tattoo and
if you' re not on YouTube, you have to go to YouTube to
see it, because the truth has a Padam tattoo. And besides, you
' re gonna send us the picture, because we' re gonna put it
on so people can see the picture. When Kyliming didn' t get you
on stage in Vegas, because you taught him. Right there in the front
row. You' re in the front row, you showed her the tattoo,
and then she got you on the stage. Tell us, No,
because this incredible dream come true. Ah, I actually did the tattoo because
I represented. He became slank to Gay during that last year, which came
out at the Sommer in the summer. Yeah, so I said hey that
' s it. My father identified me a lot. I love karlyno never
wanted to give me his name, but I said something that represents the ky
O community, something nice, something fun, which is what the song sans
represents yes, yes meet people. I said no, it' s okay.
I mean. I think this is good. Now better, I won
' t regret it, but there are services to take them away. When
I went to the show in November, I tried to teach him if you
have to pay a lot to be just up to Vio and he told me
I want to teach everyone and that he goes up to me, because how
clear you won' t tell him that no and I had spain or what
pecs and I moaned I also said hold on, because don' t cry
on the stage to what it is profession is very good. I love this
all good. Today we are going to talk about two divas, Diva number
one, Madonna and Viva number two your favorite Kylen Menog and that there is
a rivalry between them. Let' s wait, let' s see why
the theory exists, let' s tell each other and see if we fight
then. But first we have a few questions that Caesar is going to be
good to you. Question number one, too. Who' s got the
pinana a la pi record Who' s got the record for the world'
s biggest sleepover. You know this. I think we' re gonna do
it by ruling out who. I say someone doesn' t have any information
about that, so I guess burned, because in a thousand nine hundred and
ninety- five, Madonna pajamas kicked out to promote the Beat Time Story video
at Webster Hall in front of 2, 000 people. And that' s
when well, because somehow this flesh was made this form of memory who left
you there because yes, because Madonna, because she has more fanatical the truth
I was invited to me. Second question, who is considered the global icon
by britis the GBT Awards. Depends on what year, if it was more
recent, it was Kylie, but I think Madonna received the Soward. I
don' t remember the year, but it was from the past albums.
But the GFT GBT and I or that I know where Kyley truth is,
well, Kyle my nok won in two thousand fifteen, and I because he
also beat Dolly Partohon, Elton John and Ellen the Genneers, who at this
time was still in the top, because we already know what happened next.
But chi, yeah, okay. Now let' s go with the other
one. Who won a Grammy for Best Pop Dance Recording. I just won
Kyliming, not yes. That' s good,' cause I just got
a Grammy greener ta. Then I' m not taking it off anymore.
Yeah, I can' t tell you anything anymore because I decide to curious
fact. I think it' s, like, 15 years since I didn
' t win a gramming. I don' t remember the date well,
but it' s been a long time since he won a Grammy from even
Dans that his gender. Then it was very father to see someone make up
after all these years. Unbelievable, all right. And the other question is
who has had a song that has been like at the same time in more
countries in the Top Madonna ranking is much more popular word white. I guess,
then she must be a tough one. Yeah, and that was it.
You know what the song was. Ay Chan Chan Chan Who' s
the real Madonna fan, Hang Hang Gap heng aup already makes sense. Yeah,
move, yeah, it was super move. Güey I have once again,
please, no, no, thanks for the days in having to do
tangos light don' t give it ah Yes, it' s true,
it' s true, certain, yes, there began the mims. It
' s true. You' re absolutely right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But let' s start with these questions. We want who the real
gay icon is. Live gay, because there' s a rivalry between Kyley
fans and Madonna fans. I think it comes from two three parts. To
the first thing we just mentioned. Premations. Obviously, they have to compete
in certain categories at the same time in the same category with the cannes or
then that' s where the committing comes from. My wife' s better
than yours or something. No yes, my idol to my divi yes,
yes, the other one was very weird, like I don' t know
how much they peed. And that' s both from Ireland, uh what
a fan, not England, no, where they' re from, where
they' re from Australia' s Acá hiles. We know why I thought
Madonna was the one who moved to the UK for a long time. It
' s good, Portugal is running away a lot, yes, it'
s moving a lot, but not here. I think he' s considered
an American, not much. But she got big in New York. In
fact, when I was reading Rupol' s story, he mentioned that he
saw Madonna as in the bars when she grew up, when she started working
in the bars as a waitress, etcetera. That was Madonna' s.
Oh, what a floor you hear, why you ignored each other, no
more because of the fact that there are gays. Oh, this is my
queen This is my living one. Well, we love fighting, not if
it' s like Olina Rubio, Thalía Dolin' s rough Fabulous. Aha
another episode, but I think nothing more like the immediacy of people wanting to
fight for their own taste and also the media. If you see interviews,
all of a sudden, how else they' re gonna pull this out,
how you see elisacu, this looks a lot like you, that is,
yes, then I say. I think it' s enough to sell a
note with tares. It' s very common for media people to want to
fight people, but if they don' t have a plate and but they
don' t have a plan then they don' t have a bogus one,
but they had a lawsuit or they didn' t or I never saw
them do a ch. I' d love to see you fight Pelucado like
that who' d win. I think Madonna was much stronger before. Right
now, I don' t know what do are in the third age.
I think so, but very father to see this. Hey, Kily,
how' s it look when he' s in concert, he looks active,
because more donates. I told this lady she' s getting tired in
the cha. With good reason, I mean I saw the show recently.
It' s amazing, but I love it when I' m forty.
Ah, yes, admirable, but yes, it is already great. Mrs
No. Then I' m going to go a little bit less, diverge
a little attention to other sides and I told Kailly I see her very excited.
I think he' s got a new air and he' s kind
of interesting to study. I don' t know what happened to him if
he went to revive or he' s consuming souls. Well, there'
s a two- touch question. You had Madonna, yeah, and you
had Kyle both. There you saw the two of us and we were at
the same concert, oh no manches ok ok ok but anyway, from one
to ten how fabulous was the show of Kyle ten in fucks of are ten
out of ten ok but one would ask also of Madona, because he because
I don' t want to have in them zets your answer of one to
ten what you give to Madonna, since one eight. But mostly but well,
yeah, because in the end there were a lot of moments when Madonna
disappeared from the stage and left us there with people you say ay these who
they are. If there were interesting people, there wasn' t bot the
Drack queen and there was your daughter who was on the piano too. And
finally, what does is that in the end, at the San Francisco Concert,
I got a lot of laughter because Madonna, at the San Francisco Concert,
she' s standing on the stage and the stage is sinking because she
' s going to eat it. It' s basically gonna go away.
And I did and she said like so good night, Sam Sacramento and then
she didn' t. But the funniest thing was that then she said fuck
ha niw of was with a doubt, like she already knew she was going
to be wrong, she wasn' t clear about it, and that part
was very funny. Then, in the end, I didn' t know
if he did it on purpose or not, as if for one to remember
truth, the truth is small. He' s going to become a fan,
he' s going to make a fool out of us, because he
just did a performance on the other one. Exactly, and that and well,
from one to ten you give him ah you have a very good point.
I was going to give him a nine, but if there are dead
moments where, because I grabbed my cell phone, we took photos, not
then there were many dead moments where he has to recover his encouragement or change
his wardrobe. Truth is understood, but I' m already frustrated. What
is the age and difference between the two. Oh, that' s so
cool. Questions ah are not taken. I know this because, for some
reason of fate, all my women have been different for ten years. He
gives us sixty- five Kyle, fifty- five to difurted forty- five
a. Or, well, it makes sense that Kylie has, like,
more energy, no more. Yeah, I was gonna tell you maybe I
' d go behind him to take his prek yes, pretty girl who won
' t faint. I think every half hour or so the concert that lasted
two hours disappeared there. Yeah, I' m also saying it wasn'
t the three- hour beyoncé that went well, no ah but don'
t come for me queen that, in another perfect episode they' re very
important. Lover, he didn' t make his dream, he disappeared a
little bit. I put them in half an hour. That' s why
I' m dying of fainting, yes, exactly. I do respect to
see Joachim, what is the next subject, the next question canden de ay.
I think that was the last thing I had sha, because there is
one important thing and I want to know what your opinion is. What there
are songs from each one you think you, which has marked gay culture,
have some song, in particular that you say apart from padam apart from padum
a. Carly has a very good one called Old Lovers and I do think
it was very popular all over the world, including The Was who is very
father. Oh, weird. Then that was very father because it came from
a very nice message of loving family lovers, people, tranl cosis acts.
This gives you' re going to be a very pretty monkey of love and
taste. And besides, it was very variable. Bocio took it out in
Spanish how questionable. I haven' t seen her. I' ll listen
to her and see how we put it. There' s Dy has a
Spanish song, yes, the same one, but translated then she' s
not that father of and she sings it. This is like when Christina Aguilera
wants to sing in Spanish, ay, but she sings nice when she sang
with Alejandro Fernández che because like there if she hadn' t done it to
Christina Aguilera a tache why. Yeah, I know, Christina Aguilera has the
inheritance. But look good, Anyway and Madonna, what' s your song
you say marked a generation. I think he started to do a lot of
polemics with all the erotic ones. I don' t know if Express Gears
Of have that album, but it was their one from Ok. She talks
about being different. All right, do what you want, do what you
want, mother, whatever people say. I really liked Bok Yeah, and
I saw her at the fabulous concert and that one was used by beyonc Argon
Ground. There are many artists who are using it recently. We know there
was no insurance. They' re paying the sea of course, the rights.
Obviously we can identify what also close anal are the bock has. That
' s a very good point he scored is that I feel that bog doesn
' t have the gay message, he' s got enough jotty or it
' s a thousand singles poge. I remember the concert. We didn'
t narrate as our n yes, but I think it was in an MTP
and that' s where it comes from that she was singing BUCG and the
men were going out with the white wigs, so kind of the colony and
men in dresses were coming out. And that' s when the polemic of
the song was made. And that' s how a song was as much
acquired by the collective the GBT Post and also because we must remember that people
made bo with that song. Not then do I think that' s where
the popularity of the song comes from, that I don' t know if
it' s in the' 80s to' 90s. Don' t blame
me for not remembering generations. No, yes, it was a black and
white, not the video. It wasn' t black and white, because
I' ve seen it many times on YouTube. But it was like a
pothole he hears and who' s most supportive of gays, the gay community,
and now they' re holding on to me. I feel like the
ally who was always there for us has always been Kyle. He never said
anything, bad, nothing. He hasn' t damaged the community, and
I think he always did it at heart. Right now. Above all,
they grab him a lot and ask him that Madonna, I think he has
too many struggles and is thanked too much, yes, yes, but he
grabbed too many things and he also got poor, that is, he had
to defend feminism, he had to defend the gays, people with p ah
did very good work with that. In fact, you' re grateful for
everything, but poor thing. Yeah, he was touched, but that was
his time, right, and I remember in two thousand four he also financially
supported the pp Prate of the Angels. Ah Wow, I didn' t
know then. I feel that if you have to give someone a statue,
it must be Madonna for all the struggles that were presented to her and she
' s the warrior and Apples representing us. Yeah, I fell She had
it real easy. He just got the droplets, and now he' s
got it easy. Or you think he earned it. He earned it,
that is also the jackery and that we will never leave tefrado, that is,
he always was at the foot of us, there are always the prides.
He' s gonna be there, out there the chrome of it and
go on and on, that is always. It' s been a very
good life and never fucks up saying, but good. And finally, I
want to ask you. I' m sure you know that they' re
not rivals. We already know, we already know that you' re staying
with kyliminao which will be the question that we have from the beginning of the
program knowing who your fan was who you were the most, Fanny you supported
the most we see you. If they' re on YouTube, they can
see they also have a show shirt in Vegas. He' s got the
tattoo, I mean, this man is already dressed in ke removeut and he
' s also in red, like the suit Kyley wore for Padan Padán'
s video, which I love, and in fact, that song now is
about me talking to you. The other day the song returned to my Spotify.
I don' t know what happened, but I do want to know
that you' ve been telling me that they don' t have any kind
of quarrel or fight, real, which is something that people have created more,
but they also sang together not recent recent events show that they are not
enemies. Uh- huh Tell me about it. I don' t know
why fate put this episode on right now at this time. No luck,
because this would have changed just like ours. I don' t know,
but recently Kyle went to the madonnand Ella concert and it was very significant,
because they showed us that they' re not enemies who support each other and
that they love each other very much, because the way he showed up also
matters a lot. Madonnald once wore a street shirt because I wanted to support
her and say I like Kylie, I love coloring with her, but it
was always like very vague and this and Kyle to return the favor. What
I wanted is this exactly good, very similar, very similar to how she
showed up. When Kaylee got dressed and street got on a Madonna T-
shirt. Oh cool no more than there was in the neighborhood and I came
to see what fart with ayen is planned. The pair that the Kyley and
the Madonna bring was hoisted. Right now he won the peace polisher. Very
well, very well to demonstrate to all the little eyeballs that there is no
quarrel and they sang of ible survive, which is a very special theme for
very representative. The two survivors do not go through all the wars that touched
him and Kayli, as it was the cancer that touched him. Ah what
a nice message, very nice it is like the two are very ah well,
total livers Yes, very nice they put you between them, instead of
being feeding this average, of course using a little love between mom. All
right. Well, Fernando, thank you so much for joining us today.
We' re gonna have you back in another episode, because we have more
questions for you about everything. Joaquin and I were talking before who is the
diva of every generation. You can leave us comments on this podcast, but
we' re going to talk about it. In another episode with you too
because I think you' re going to have enough to say about this,
right, because we' re not of the same generation. Then we have
to do research. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and besides, I think
my life is gonna be different, so I want to see what your opinion
is about that. What did you say, Culvina, no, no,
Bowl, it wasn' t, but no longer Latina. Yeah. Well,
thank you Franando for being with us. Thanks, well, we'
re already with Gustavo Ordoñez, he' s project manager of the organization Eagles
in San Francisco and they have a particular program that helps with mental health and
also with the sexual health of Hispanics in the bay area and surely the safe
area is bigger. Gustavo, thank you for being with us. The first
thing I' m going to tell you and if you' re not on
YouTube, you' re not at all, in case you' re in
Spotify or Apple Podcast, because the uffi you like today is fabulous. Yeah,
well, I think I' m on YouTube, but for the reason
they' re not very correct. Well, that wouldn' t be lifeless.
So you' re right, but this money is straight. I love
it, I don' t love all the thanks for inviting me a pleasure
to be here and share a little, because what I do my day to
day, my Monday, to Friday, my nine to five in the afternoon.
So what you want to know with pleasure, perfect before you start from
where you have an accent. I' m from Venezuela. Oh, yeah,
' cause you don' t have an accent. I have nothing,
I speak, but asshole when I am making you Venezuela, but when I
believe myself then I leave you a little my accent to do is neutral a
never knows background, but how you do it, because I don' t
know what accent I have. I don' t know. I don'
t know how to reduce the accent. I have a nod and point you
have an accent from Venezuela. Not mixed with Spanish. Well, there goes
the important thing. I lived in Spain, too. So sometimes I also
get a little bit out of Spanish when I' m Spanish, but I
' m originally in Maracaibo, Venezuela. We have a very particular accent.
It' s the only city in Venezuela that speaks traditional Spanish like that of
Spain, and I only get out when I' m around other maracúchos.
Not thank God, because it' s very complicated to understand, but it
' s nice. Is it interesting? Is it different? Is it different?
I love it good, Gustavo. I think to do this, to
do this a little more allusive than people understand it better. I would like
you to tell me a little bit of a story that has caught the attention
of a person who has come in search of help to eagles, so that
people can understand in situation how all this is handled. Not good. As
you mentioned earlier, eagle focuses on sexual health and mental health. So,
usually that' s the approach that we usually have from people who are looking
to be members or to be customers of eagles. When it comes to sexual
cell. In the Latinex community, especially AUGBT, there are a lot of
stigmas that move around the community. So it' s not a topic that
you can talk about or that you can mean, how to enter it openly,
like any other person, you have to first calm them down, make
them understand that they' re in a safe space, that they' re
not in danger, because even let' s say if I' m going
to do a really small parenthesis when a person is going to go into a
medical system with respect to admission, prep, or they start their treatment or
whatever, the first fear is what documents they' re going to ask me
for, of course, because if they' re in documented, then they
think they' re going to get into a system and they' re going
to realize that they don' t have documents and they' re going to
deport them and you have them. So it' s pretty delicate how to
touch on the subject and make people feel safe first. It' s like
or like the first step. But, to be clear, that doesn'
t happen. It' s not going to clarify why California is a sanctuary
state, which means you can' t be deported unless you comment on a
crime or there' s a compelling reason to deport you. But if it
' s just because you were stopped on the street and you don' t
have these documents, there' s no reason for any authority to deport you.
However, the law says that if it' s a hundred miles from
some of California' s borders, for example, if you' re in
San Diego and you' re miles from the border with Mexico, then there
' s one say. The authorities who are at the borders have the right
to deport you, but only within those hundred miles ok and they have to
have a compelling reason. Of course, for example, you' re getting
undocumented. This is done mainly by people who said cross, because walking or
clear 100, of course, let' s say in an illegal way,
then it' s the only, the only condition, which is the strongest,
when a person doesn' t have documents, then, going back to
the medical issue, once the Latinos knock on the eagle door, that'
s our first step, making him feel comfortable, making him feel safe,
because once we pass the limit of safety or that they feel, that you
know they' re comfortable, then comes the part of the stigma, the
fact that they can talk about their sexuality. Openly. To give you a
small example, I got a person who tells me well, what happens is
that I am. So that' s in case you didn' t hear
him. He said very accurately it was every time he said it, that
is me, as I have gladly liked how old this person is. It
was approaching is that I' ve had several cases. I don' t
know. The age range can vary greatly and can range from very young people
to a person who or is of age, that is, fefty plus,
as I say to you is our community in general and is generally rooted in
an education issue. However, one thing that seemed very interesting to me about
this person, for example, was that every time he said gay he lowered
his voice tone to a minimum. So it was because you know that I
' m which one was something that, I mean, it was kind of
like I' m doing a speech that goes weird there because I, I
mean, I don' t know if it was that my ear stopped watching
the audio fail. Yes, the audio was failing me, they were disconnecting
me like that or something, but I have the right to ask then one
of the things that I really like. But you have to feel comfortable with
discomfort. In my position, you have to ask very uncomfortable questions, of
course, and you have to do it safely and comfortably, because if you
' re insecure and if you' re uncomfortable, that' s what you
project, then people feed on that energy and they can shut down. And
that' s the biggest one is like the worst of cases. Yeah,
what you want is the opposite. You want this person to kind of open
up and feel comfortable and tell you what' s going on or what situation
it is he had, what' s feeling anything, but open them up,
because already once they open up, your job is done. Then.
That is one of the stories that seems to me to be somewhat particular and
rooted in stigma and all those concepts that we bring from our culture. I
still have people who tell me that I do from the environment. How interesting
now that they mentioned something about eagles. The environment is the slogan of the
foundation. I think the main intention was that, because to tell people how
this is an environment area. For example, when I was starting with my
gay gay life, it wasn' t said you' re gay, you
' re ambient. Okay, yeah. I' m going to the ambiance
record, too I' m going to the ambiance bar. It was ambient.
It' s true, like the Chico Court. So this person,
this person, for example, is almost sixty years older, so he was
like not that since I am of environments that I am of environment, you
never said that I follow. So what I was doing was I was repeating
how to say gay. Okay, I was telling her you' re gay,
but how do you identify yourself? You' re gay, but how
do you identify yourself if you have to identify yourself with something, which one
would you use. Yeah, especially because in your position you also have to
know if you' re gay, or if you' re bisexual or if
you' re having sex with more than one more, because in the end
you need to know all this data to be able to process the case.
No, and that' s something I wanted to ask you. Most cases
that you receive when people go we already know that you are working for the
Latin Community, whether it is the case of BH or whether it is in
cases of STDS. What is the normal reaction of people. They take it
as more natural and simply come looking for help or they still come as well
as with that fear of because passing the security barrier you commented before, passing
the barrier of or, how you identify yourself, how they feel once they
have to say, is that I found out that I' m clear there
really isn' t a reaction, as it can go, from something very
very positive to something very very negative. And that' s why we,
too, as we combined, did it with mental health, because immediately from
my position I, if I see a negative reaction to you with vh with
a sexually transmitted disease, the first thing I do is get you in therapy
with our counselors, because that' s going to give you the chance to
have a space that' s for you alone. And obviously, counselors are
going to have tools that you can use to digest this information. However,
one of the very particular cases and this to not make it so serious,
but the same time I want to give them a little bit of itch to
the information is that I have a member that he came in with fear that
he would be infected with HIV or with a sexually transmitted disease and I ask
him why do you think that happened. It' s not like I'
ve been having unprotected sex for the weekend. Then I' ll tell him
what you just said. I tell you who you had sex with men with
women, not just men. And I go, okay how many couples you
had and it tells me well, in the group they were like this is
not a person. Let' s say twenty and tell him I ah,
it was a group of people and he tells me yes, and I ok
a, how many of them you knew none, uff ok what fran,
how many of them you had sex and he tells me with all of them
I was the only passive. Oh hard days I tell you, I oh,
okay this how many of them had protection. None of them know they
use a test, which is protected in some way. I don' t
know, they' re all strangers. So they just like you have to
ask this question and you can' t teach and I stayed so you have
me, you can react. At the end of the day, this isn
' t something I don' t hear, like other frequencies as well as
me, as well as that Ok every time you do this and him and
that well, practically every end I read I Ok let' s talk about
high- risk situations, low- risk situations. Not how you identify yourself,
I' m another Ok. That' s okay. Is this a
real case? Is this a real case? This is a real case.
He has his wife and has his children, and he likes to go to
sex parties or oesias and likes to do the victim. So it' s
OK and no, but it' s not in prep. Or then he
' s not in prep. He doesn' t like to use gifts,
he' s afraid of tests. And that' s when my job gets
hard. Yeah, what did you do? Me. What I do is
break the information so that you can digest it slowly so that it doesn'
t feel like first I' m blaming you for something or, second,
that you necessarily have something, because there are many sex parties that ask for
you. Yeah, well, it proves that you don' t have any
sexually transmitted diseases or that you' re in prep to protect others. Also
of course, then I told him about high- risk situations, risk situations
how to prevent it if you don' t want to. If you don
' t want to, you can start any kind of treatment right now.
The technology is very advanced. Then, we already have preb that you can
make it a month, every two months, every three months or almost months.
Yeah, it' s just an injection every six months. Don'
t suggest I' ll change you. It' s an injection. You
wear it and forget it for six months. However, for people who are
starting PREEP who have not taken it before, in the same way, they
ask you for at least thirty days of testing to reinforce that shield that I
have of some sexually transmitted disease or HIV, like or like, but it
is coming. We have to finish the story. What happened to the lord,
I mean, after you got it, you asked all the right questions.
I used PREPT I didn' t use prep. What happened? Well,
we have an ally called Alans of Project. It is a program of
UCS San Francisco, which gives you direct access to this because medicines like REPS
and in fact I don' t know if you know, but there is
also the PEP PP, which is when you feel that you have exposed to
a person I tell you look you were exposed, taken in the next seventy
- two works or protect that is being doxyc, a PP business for HIV,
DOXI for sexual effpresion. You don' t know me PEP no less
knew the Doxip PREPPS. If he knew me and the PREP was good.
Obviously, and then this person would first know with my ally two and we
put him on a program to start preb However, we tried to follow op,
but he never appeared to me on that one. I think it'
s the negative comparison of my work, too. I can' t legally
pursue anyone. Sure, I can do follow op. He can make calls
to you or he can cream you or send you a letter, but if
there' s no answer to pitifully, I can' t take any more
action unless I feel like you' re in real danger. Sure, then,
in the end you sent him to your health allies. I imagine that
if it was done some tests to know if something was going on and it
didn' t come back, then the test is done, regardless if the
tests are positive or negative and or your us in pref They put you to
start, well, the whole process and so that you can protect yourself,
especially when you' re sexually active like this person. But, however,
I can' t be there all clear, tomatola take it, but here,
in San Francisco, or California, there are resources for the PP to
be free. Right. Yes, I' m California and specifically San Francisco
is one of the cities that has advanced studies for sexually transmitted diseases and HIV.
So there are big companies like VV O like which school is the other.
There are two companies that are big girls that, in fact, one
is becoming sponsor of the stry Crash group. Yeah, I saw Mister'
s publicity. No. No, no, no, no, v Heal
Vive healer Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And these other ones
that are groghries or houses that make ceutic forms and they have a studies that
are super advanced. Super- advanced, because PP' s giliar company is
here in San Francisco. Yeah, from Ranby Feldker. They also have main
offices here. However, they are from the East Coast. So they are
the ones who practically have the most advanced studies and are already here in San
Francisco, because they already know with all the rights and with all the laws
that we have developed as a community, because we have had the great advantage
that we are as a nucleus where all kinds of technologies are developed. And,
well, we also have the support of the General Hospital of the Marshockberg,
which he donated. He built it and donated it, I think it
was eighty- five million dollars for him. Study of bah Afrom Misonon and
lex Abinte. Okay, then. Looks to me like you' ve got
two five bucks. Yeah, well, yeah, it came out of his
pocket and he didn' t notice. But they' re equal well,
big, maybe it' s important, maybe it' s another name thing.
That' s a nice gesture. Well, that' s the Robot,
' cause now I' m snooping around, I like him better.
Now I want to move quickly to a round of quick questions, because at
the beginning of the program we were talking about that we wanted to give information
to people, because there is still a lot of stigma on social networks,
in Grinder, especially when a person and this talked to a friend the other
day, when a person says in Wriden, for example, that there is
BH or Chib like there is a stigma, no, like a lot of
people say ay no. Well, I don' t want to chat with
this one,' cause I don' t want anything to happen to me.
No. So I want to do as a round of quick questions for
people who are dating a person who has a chip so that they have more
true information. The first question is whether my partner is HIV- positive undetectable,
I should continue to take prep. You should continue to take PREP if
you are sexually active with other people. If you are dating someone who is
undetectable and is an onogamous relationship and you decide not to take PREEP and this
person continues to take their medications regularly and remains undetectable, the risk of getting
HIV is practically zero. When you should tell your appointment that you are HIV
positive UFFF MI recommend if I would be immediately. However, this is like
a second closet. You have to get out of your closet and you have
to be comfortable and you have to feel confident about what you' re saying,
because I mean, after all, there are diseases that are much more
risky and people don' t talk about them. However, as there is
a stigma behind HIV in our community, I would recommend it immediately. However,
if it' s your personal opinion, don' t do it because
you have your medications, you' re undetectable. It' s like an
option you can also take If you think if you' re exposed to IHVBH,
how fast you can know what the steps are. Well, as I
mentioned earlier, if you were with a person who had sex, there was
no protection and this person tells you Mira, he was diagnosed with HIV.
Or I have IH the best option immediately if you can get it for free
at clinics like Strat in Castle, and you can also do it through you.
This sure cousin ok. After that, obviously, evidence is the most
contundant. But, however, this H has not appeared in a test before
two weeks. Faster it has appeared is two weeks, fourteen days for you
to take a test and be positive, if it' s really positive.
But, however, this is the fastest. That doesn' t mean you
' re gonna get out. You. Of course there are people who have
lived with VVH for years. They' ve never figured it out because you
remember this is a virus that' s multiplying. So it all depends on
this is related to the vile viral load is, the amount of copies you
have on your body. So, once the virus starts multiplying, copies start
coming out, your viral load increases, and that' s when it starts
showing in your exams. However, there are people who have had it for
a long time and have not multiplied. Then the virus doesn' t really
show up. There are even cases where one speaks of a false positive that
are even other viruses and gives positive for abai ah Wow. That' s
why there are generations of tests. Totally free ones are a generic test.
But there' s a test that' s called and I don' t
know why they haven' t changed his fourth generation name. I think it
' s related to the fact that it' s exposed to like four different
elements that make the virus react. And then, if this, if you
already get positive, this, if already definitive, that would be my recommendation.
Super interesting knowing this is gonna be a little story I have. I
once met a person I didn' t know, obviously, because we met
at a party that was vh positive. And so that day we went to
sleep together, but there was no sex because the person said no, we
can' t have sex and I said no. I understand nothing, but
I told you your drunk, let' s go to sleep and in the
morning he explained it to me and I said ah, well, look.
This has never happened to me, but that one person who has the detail
to tell you looks. Here' s what it is. If that'
s not why I didn' t want to expose you, I mean,
I' m undetectable, but this is one thing that' s how I
do it I want to tell you first and then you make the decision whether
you want to have a relationship with me or not. And I thought it
was super honest. I thought it was a very straightforward way to do it,
and I had no problem with that. There was no problem and we
went out several times in fact, but I found it very nice that the
person had this kind of reaction. And I think that' s good.
As you said, it depends on each person and how you want to say
it some people kind of have it more internalized, but it seems very positive
to me. It was the first time that happened to me and I,
obviously and this I want to be very honest, it was the first time
that happened to me and I was like inside I was in shock, but
I also said take prep, I have education, I know how everything works
then, but internally I was still in shock. We hadn' t done
anything, but I was still in shock, but then the chow is like
the shock is because it' s the first time it happens to you,
not because you' re not protected, not because you don' t have
the information, not because this person hasn' t told you that he'
s with all his medications. Not then sometimes it' s like if things
can surprise us a little bit, but if we have the right information and
education and resources, we can go forward with whatever it is. No.
And in the end, if you' re making a person who' s
HIV positive you don' t have, why deny that relationship. All of
you, if you are taking the steps, the steps indicated, as Gustavo
explained, I have friends who are married to a person who is positive and
has a normal life, not that of already, and that is that,
in fact, as I said before, now with new technologies, you can
have even more normal than normal, because now you can have your injection every
so many months and you can continue your life. It' s not like
a person who has high blood pressure or something so they have to be forever
has to take that blessed little pills. Already the diet yes, the icho
is also highly recommended, since taking care of a lot of food and your
health. But technology' s kind of moving super fast. Let' s
remember that it' s been, like, 30 years since it started,
that the VVH drugs and right now started. We' re already like a
super- used. But the best weapon for any issue that has to do
with sexual health, which is education. Sequentially in eagles, it was in
a lot of information. Usually I distribute around sex toys stores or bars that
I distribute one I call them the condom keats and they have condoms and they
have locational, but it also has qarquates one where it talks about sexual health
and also how to use a condom because they believe or not. Believe it
or not. I don' t believe you there weren' t any otuses
that don' t know how to use a condom, yeah, yeah,
believe it, yeah, but stick them in their mouths and clean this up,
you know this and don' t do it. So the gargajira to
what we won' t talk. I love it and my little gift where
my condom is, my luplicant. Now the ca ah sorry, ok ok
ok that then we block the video here sa in fact, yes I have
it there. So I have that and it' s also a quarqute that
leads you directly to do something about HIV testing or some kind of sexual transmission,
so I give them one over here. Of course, we have them
here for the guests as well. Thank you for being with us. Gustavo
the truth that I love you we will also have for this, for other
topics, to talk with you, because here we have very good vibra and
we love tribe The sale is that yes and I learned a lot. Yeah,
I thought I knew a lot, but no more. I don'
t like anything. In fact, if you' d like to break HIV,
for example, now that you mentioned the deirin apps and h I have
a lot of information about that as well as how you can open the issue
and do it in a healthy way or find out when a person is attacking
you or using it as an armada against you ah Wow, because that is,
regardless of whether San Francisco is very based, we still have those people
who don' t have two front fingers and they' re using it as
a weapon to make it clear and sadly the reality elsewhere is worse. Let
' s imagine that your podcast is reaching people who don' t even live
here in California, but are reaching places where it' s a little more
extreme. This condition, because I think it would do you a lot of
good. Of course, we' re gonna have you taste it again so
you can tell us a lot more about this. Others you are already perfect
there our other offic care for us to have in the next video. You
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