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By Billy Cunningham, The Great America. Let's continue. Whenever stop, we

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simply continue. Great book has been
out for a few months now. It's

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really picking up stone each team because
of it's because of its veracity. The

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Fall of the FBI written by Thomas
J. Baker, who spent about thirty

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three years and that formerly great organization, fidelity, bravery, integrity. The

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name of the book specifically is The
Fall of the FBI. How a once

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great agency became a threat to democracy. Thomas J. Baker, Welcome again

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to the Bill Cunningham Show. And
for those listening locally and around the country,

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can you give us some sense and
a few paragraphs if you can,

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of the FBI that you knew for
some thirty three years. You knew the

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FBI to be what Bill the FBI
I joined was the square to tell the

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truth law enforcement organization. And during
our training as new agents, and by

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the way, thank you for this
opportunity to give this explanation. During our

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training as new agents in the classroom, the thing that was emphasized with the

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constitution, the US Constitution. Of
course, outside the classroom, we had

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a lot of firearms training and arrest
techniques, but The Constitution was the main

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academic topic for three months that new
agents got and then periodically they got updates

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on Supreme Court cases. Part of
the Constitution we learned most about was the

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Bill of Rights, and particularly the
fourth, fifth and sixth Amendment, which

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impacts law enforcement and law enforcement operations. And the way it was taught to

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us by these wonderful instructors was we
should not regard the fourth, fifth and

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sixth Amendment as an obstacle to getting
our job done. We should embrace it.

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And we even had one instructor gave
us each a pocket sized copy of

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the Constitution to keep in our pocket, and he said, when you're out

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there and you're sitting down interviewing a
citizen or searching somebody's home, if you

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have the Constitution in your pocket,
you'll never do wrong. You'll never go

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off the tracks. I mean,
that's how serious and how sacred it was

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taken. It sounds corny today,
but most of us did take it seriously.

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Then part of our job was preserving
the Bill of Rights, and those

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whole thing's been turned on its head
since Mala and then call me twisted the

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FBI into a free wielding intelligence operation. Rather than a grounded law enforcement operation.

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And Thomas J. Baker, what
was some of the duties for your

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thirty three years in the bureau?
Can you tell the American people? I

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guess for credibility purposes, which I
don't need, but many may want to

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know what kinds of things did you
do in the FBI for thirty three years?

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And retire with great honor? Well, I was blussed, Bill,

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Thank you for asking that. I
did virtually everything in the FBI that people

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would do. In the FBI was
an assigned around the country. I worked

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civil rights cases. I worked against
domestic terrorists, criminals, bank rob as,

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organized crime, organized crime in New
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corrupt politicians. We had a lot
of sensitive investigations in that regard, and

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as I explained in the book,
I touched on a few historic cases,

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one being the attempted assassination of President
Ronald Reagan. I was the first FBI

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agent on the scene and I managed
the initial response to that incident. We

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talk about in the book, The
Trash of twa eight hundred pan Am one

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oh three other historical cases like that, and of course kidnappings, several famous

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kidnappings. I'm not the main character
or the hero in any of those stories,

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but I have some knowledge of them
that I wanted to share with people.

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After those thirty three years in the
FBI, I continue to be engaged

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with the FBI and with law enforceman
in general as a consultant on fingerprint matters

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and others, and also serving on
the boards of several key organizations, including

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the Department of Justice's Credit Union.
I want to ask you the question about

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politics because it's obvious until Muller and
until Komey and Ray took over, politics

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was completely irrelevant. You did not
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and dealt with their acts and their
behavior, not with their politics. And

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as evidence of that, John Durham, who's the Inspector General, the FBI

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has a character, a personality,
a department called the Inspector General. John

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Durham report laid out in detail the
absurdity of the Russian collusion investigation against Donald

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Trump, which the national media in
this country rolled for two and a half

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years, and every week or two
there were breathless new revelations about Donald Trump's

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involvement with Russia, and it turned
out to be ninety nine percent false,

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but the media ran with it for
two years. The country was tied in

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knots about Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. We now know a lot

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more about it than we knew then. But tell the American people in a

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synopsis, what did John Durham,
the Inspector General the FBI report about the

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predicate for the Russian collusion delusion involving
Donald Trump. Well, basically, and

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it all became public well over a
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John Durham, in a three hundred, three hundred and six page report,

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documents really documents that there was no
absolutely no justification for opening the investigation

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of the Trump campaign, Trump's presidential
campaigner, of Trump himself at that time.

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It's shocking read it. Of course, in my instance, a lot

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of the stuff he says in there
is already in my book, and in

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the sense he validates my book,
which is nice to be validated, to

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be vindicated. But at the same
time it's shocking and disappointing that a thing

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could go so far off the track. Absolutely absolutely no justification for opening that

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case whatsoever. Well, last week, after the most recent Trump indictments out

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of Washington, d C. Christopher
Ray testified, which it must watch television.

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I'm sure most Americans don't watch it, but it is embarrassing to watch

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Christopher Ray, the director of the
FBI, I call him Jay Edgar Ray,

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and talk about the few heads that
have rolled the bad apples, who

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began the investigation of Donald Trump for
two and a half years without a predicate.

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Talk about from the perspective of John
Durham and the recent problems in the

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FBI, what has needed a few
heads to roll for the illegalities or something

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deeper, That there's a cancer loose
in the FBI in Washington, and these

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are not the field officers here in
Cincinnati, the field offices, etc.

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That this is the heart of the
FBI in Washington. What did Christopher Ray

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say about the snooping of the private
emails? What did he say about the

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predicate for the Russian collusion delusion that
was false? What did Christopher Ray talk

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about the poor leadership of James Comey
give the American people that information? Well

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every time, not just in his
testimony before the House about two weeks ago.

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Now, every time this comes up, he to some extent he acknowledges

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there was a problem in that he
says, the people, the miscredence who

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created these problems, if you will, the bad apples are no longer with

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us. And in the case of
Durham, he goes back and he points

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out that, you know, Comie
McCabe struck, they've all been fired.

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Then we have these other fiascos like
the investigation of the attempted kidnapping of the

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Michigan governor. Two agents were fired
over that, and on and on,

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and each time he falls back on, well, the bad apples are no

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longer with us, And in this
congressional testimony two weeks ago, he's still

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it was a missed opportunity. He
could have come up and said, listen,

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we know we got a cultural problem. We're going to change the culture.

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We're going to reform the FBI.
But instead he keeps weaving and dodging

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and making excuses, which is so
unnecessary. He even tried to deny,

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and it's and played on some of
the TV channels over and over again that

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there was this attempt so contrary to
the spirit of the First Amendment to control

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the free speech the free expression of
Americans, which is very well documented now

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in the Twitter files that the FBI
collaborated with Twitter and other companies to censor

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and monitor American speech. That's something
that should never happen, and yet he

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tries to weave around, weave around
that. That has to be done forthrightly.

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Congress can do something about that.
Congress can do something about reforming FISA,

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the Foreign Intelligence of Aillance Act.
But the FBI and the Department of

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Justice, at the end of the
day have to reform themselves. And the

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first thing to reform yourself, you
have to recognize the problem. And now

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we have the President Donald Trump and
die of for corruptly trying to influence a

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national election. How would you describe
the FBI meeting with tech company executives during

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the campaign to stop them from reporting
objectively on the Hunter Biden laptop because it

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may refer to criminal behavior by Joe
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Didn't the FBI leadership itself corruptly involved
itself in a national election. A lot

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of people are saying that, and
in fact, we know now that the

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FBI had the computer at the time
that these fifty some odd former intelligence officers

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were saying it. It is so
probably is Russian disinformation. The FBI knew

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it was not Russian disinformation. That's
on the record now. They knew it

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then. Of course they have the
technical capability with a laptop like that in

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a matter of days, if not
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was all legit. So there was
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And we're going back almost four years
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And yet it was buried and Christopher
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an ASAC, that's the Assistant Special
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to bury in slow walk the laptop
investigation last December, only six months ago,

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was allowed to what he was essentially
dismissed from the FBI. And Ray

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points out to that as another example
if they got rid of a bad apple.

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But there's a lot to be done
now on the Hunter Biden investigation,

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which quite frankly now is broadening out
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the bidens Well suspicious activity reports obtained
from banks by the House Oberate, the

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ten twenty three information that large amounts
of money flowed out of the Ukraine Barisma

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Romanian interest, the mayor of Moscow's
wife communist read China, and this information

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ought to be a bombshell. However, whether it's the FBI, they've had

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the hunter bit or laptop now for
many years, it looks as if they're

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not interested in pursuing it. If
we had the FBI that existed twenty years

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ago, when you were in your
prime in the FBI, and you had

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dropped in your lap a laptop that
had a roadmap of serious corruption by high

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government officials in the good old days, you would have pursued it to its

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logical conclusion. But now the FBI
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do nothing. How disappointed are you
in that? Well, I'm hot broke,

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and as are others. I mean
to say, how things were done

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in the Washington Field office. When
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in involving public figures, members of
Congress, in one case a US judge,

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and those cases were followed so meticulously. But let me tell you this,

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but we investigated people for a ten
thousand dollar bribe. Here there's documentation

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of very suspicious money in the tens
of millions, and as you mentioned,

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the stars, the suspicious activity reports
flowing from foreign sources through a series of

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paper companies to members of the Biden
family. In any other universe that would

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be that would get so much investigative
focus. I mean, you drop everything

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else to work on that, and
yet it seems to be slow walking.

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Now. I have no doubt.
I have no doubt that people in the

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BI and then the IRS, and
maybe a few in the Department of Justice

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who are trying to work this thing
are running up against a lot of headwinds

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from Attorney General Garland and all the
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But it is there. There is
so much out there, and as

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you use the correct word corroborate,
the informant report from the Ukraine alleging a

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specific bribe is corroborated by these and
I believe it's well over a hundred suspicious

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activity reports. That's the truth I
mentioned earlier, right was on the board

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of directors of the Justice Credit Union. We'd get one or two suspicious activity

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reports a year. This is incredible. Over a hundred suspicious activity reports documenting

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millions of dollars moving through paper companies
to members of the Biden families. I

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don't see how any citizen, no
matter how liberal a democratic they are,

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could look at this. I say, boy, there's something wrong here.

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On paper, it looks as if
the Bidens have monetized the office of Vice

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president, and then also Hillary Clinton
secretary of State, and after that they've

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all monetized it. And it looks
as if here's the information, here's the

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money coming out of the Ukraine.
Here's the billion dollars of American money flowing

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into the Ukraine. And here's the
dismissal of the prosecutor looking at Barisma,

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and here's the ten million dollars in
Barisma going to Joe Biden and Hunter Biden

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each getting five million dollars. And
it's like, well, you know what,

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we can't put this together. We
don't know where it's going. It

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wouldn't take a rocket science just to
figure out at least to look into it.

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And these stars reports, there's hundreds
of them, and you said it's

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quite unusual to get one or two, and the FBI has given hundreds of

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them. And Christopher Ray that's been
now for five or six years, he

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just can't figure it out. Is
that conceivably true? Yeah, it's the

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almost five years since he was made
director in twenty seventeen, and that's about

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the same time that the the the
laptop, the Hunt Hunter Biden laptop was

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recovered. There's no doubt some people, as I say, tried to slow

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walk that, tried to bury it. And they could have spoken up much

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more strongly when these phony bologny in
former intelligence officers tried to say it was

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Russian disinformation when they really had no, no firsthand knowledge to say that,

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and the FBI had already discovered that
it was a genuine article. I'm plugged

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my own book, but let me
mention Miranda Devine's book, The Laptop from

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Hell. She lays out everything that's
in that laptop in her book, and

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anyone who reads that just you just
shake your head at the boldness of the

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Bidens shaking down people in China and
the Ukraine and accepting these bribes. And

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even in there they talk about the
meeting at Cafe Milanos when Biden, Biden

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and now the President came to Kathley
Milano's and met with all these business associates,

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foreign business associates that Hunter and his
associates were shaking down. It's all

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documented. It's right there in black
and white and we know it's genuine.

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Hi. Thomas J. Baker,
thirty three years and the FBI. The

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book is the Fall of the FBI, How a great agency became a threat

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to democracy. It's all available.
It's up to informed Americans to vote perform

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appropriately to these known facts that the
media in which the FBI and the Department

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of Justice wants to keep secrete it. Thomas J. Baker. Once again,

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God bless you, and thank you
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Thank you, Thomas. Bless you, Bill, and thank you for

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all the good you do. God
bless you. Let's continue with more unbelievable.

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There it is and uh won't be
covered well, but it needs to

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be covered because what's good for the
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