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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No.

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Here is your host djwaves Tis December
as we released this podcast, I

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cannot believe I'm saying that the final
month of twenty twenty three and we already

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have an intriguing Ryan Garcia fight coming
up next weekend. We've got Devin Haney

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in Regis Progray and you go,
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Devin Handey. You're gonna hear from
him coming up on this preview podcast.

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I am the somewhat capable host TJ. Reeves. He is our insider Fight

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Bigfight Weekend dot Com. Hello Dan rayhiel,

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Are you ready because we've heard from
him already on this podcast feed.

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Are you ready for the return of
Ryan Garcia as we get things underway?

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Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I mean, you know, Ryan

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moves the needle. I think he's
a good guy, somewhat misunderstood I think

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by some. But anytime one of
the biggest stars in boxing is back in

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the ring and it's not a paper
that's good for all of us fans I

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want to watch and those of us
who like to cover the sport and cover

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the sport for our living. Yes, for copy, to write, things

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to talk about, usually action in
the ring, druma outside the ring.

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What else could you ask for?
Yeah, he does move the needle.

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As you said, we try to
move the needle on this podcast. Thank

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you once again to the audience.
Dan, we are still on the upward

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trajectory. More and more, tens
of thousands of you that found us in

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November, thank you on the Big
Fight weekend preview and then coming off the

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weekend the Fight for each recap podcast, I again say to you, we

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have worked very hard at this,
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fans are appreciating. They get a
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a recap coming off the weekend.
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said, one of the things that's
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double the ray Field, double the
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for the rest of his life and
who he's got around him, but apparently

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you're an important part ray Field of
what we should assist him with his therapeutic

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needs. Yeah, apparently we are
by talking to fights, which we love

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newsmakers, fighters, promoters, etc. On the pod and on the interviews

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that we do, and we put
them as standalones. For example, you

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got to hear from Ryan Garcia earlier
in this week. You heard him on

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the podcast feed, but you got
it as a standalone. You're also going

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to get David Haney in this podcast, but coming up you'll hear he and

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read his Progray in a standalone as
well, previewing that fight for Fight Week.

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And I am told you've had a
recent conversation in recent days, if

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not, as we're about to tape
this uh with Jake Paul who's about to

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be an action in a couple of
weeks with a boxer in my part of

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the world back in a cruiserweight fight. Jake Paul coming to the podcast feed

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They need to follow and subscribe is
the point. Jake Paul his second appearance

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on the on the podcast, so
we appreciate his time. Not so easy

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to nail some of these guys down, but you know what, it's a

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it's a labor of love and uh, you got to twist a few arms

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sometimes, but it's all good.
These guys are you know, I very

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much enjoy speaking to them, and
you know, we do them on the

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zoom call so you can see them
one on one, and you know,

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it lends itself to better than just
if you're talking on the phone or in

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an audio situation. So it's also
I love Hey, Ray pro Gray on

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your most recent one was highly entertaining
for a lot of reasons. Doesn't hold

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back on different subjects. I loved
him joking with you. I was flying

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on Southwest with my team and I
wasn't real sure. I don't like to

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fly Southwest. Hey, we love
Southwestern alliance. They might they might spind

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Well, he's making the point.
You're just like I'm I'm a guy that's

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flying first class against and Southwest does
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the punchline. Then he saw the
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you know what, I can fly
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if I need to, and then
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and then I can fly first class
after that. So that's me saying that.

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But I loved his conversation with you. And again, the hustle is

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real because you've heard from Ryan Garcia
recently. I keep going back over all

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these Shakur Stevenson, Tim Zou,
Oscar de la Jolla. I talked to

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Jamel Herring before his return off about
a year and a half retirement. So

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again, if you enjoy all of
this, get Demetris Andrei. David Benavedez.

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David Benavedas has the hat trick.
Now he's been on three times,

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he's won the fight all three times. Maybe that's incentive for people to come

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on board on the pod. All
right, let's get into it. As

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we mentioned, the Golden Boys show
Houston, Texas, the return of Ryan

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Garcia. When last we saw him, he was beaten by Gervonte Davis on

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a seventh round ko, his first
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staying at one hundred and forty pounds. Oscar Duarte is the opponent. He

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talked to Ryan recently. It is
fight week and fight weekend. He's now

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meeting with the media. But you
talked to him recently with his training camp.

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Another new trainer, and here we
go with a formidable opponent. Oscar

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de la Hoya said this to you
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a very interesting challenge for Ryan Garcia. I'm paraphrasing what he said, and

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now we're here to fight weekend.
Your thoughts. I think it's the perfect

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kind of comeback fight for Ryan.
He made the point that he wanted to

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test himself. He didn't he wasn't
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also knew that it wasn't going to
be a huge fight in the sense compared

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to a Tank Davis fight, which
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and was a huge success commercially,
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of the ticket sales. But he
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wasn't gonna have that level of fight, not go on pay per view,

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but do a fight on regular his
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for the big fights when you rake
the real money. And he kind of

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understands. For all the issues that
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they have a similar mentality from this
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Oscar would have some huge pay per
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of money against Pearnel Whittaker, against
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like that, But he also was
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that to continue to raise your profile, to give back to your fan base,

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that there's nothing wrong with taking and
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By the way, it's not like
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go back and an Oscar's case,
fight on HBO for fights that were solid,

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but not necessarily the megafight. So
he'd be back on HBO against Darryl

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Coley or against Obakar or a mandatory
against Patrick Sharpente, which is a complete

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mismatch. But they still drew thirty
some thousand to the sun Ball and it

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was a live HBO show. And
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that also. And so for a
Tank day, this kind of pay per

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view, Yeah, you go on
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opponent in Duarte, which is probably
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fight. He's doing the fight on
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on a good show and and uh
and and get back in position to fight

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another pay per view fight. So
we'll see him I think, do both

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depending on the opponent. Uh.
The reason why this is such an important

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fight for Ryan obviously you don't want
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But like you mentioned, he changed
trainers Joe Goosen, and he split after

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the loss against Tank. He's now
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several months, Uh, you know
Minnie camps and now the full training camp

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in Derek James with Derek James in
uh in Dallas part of that Errol Spence

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Anthony Joshua team now and uh,
you know that that's a that's a you

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know Ryan, in the interview when
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point that besides what Derek brings in
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and and certain things that he's imparting
on him. Uh, A big part

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of it is getting out of la
and and going to Dallas to get away

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from the distractions that he has back
at home. And so there's no doubt

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that that's an issue. Particular if
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about or I asked him that,
and he talked a little bit about the

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crazy amount of money that he made
for the Javonte Davis fight. Now he's

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got everybody coming after him. You
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He had made seven figure pay days
before. But to go from making you

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know, a couple of million,
three million or whatever, and now you

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make thirty million, that's a massive
mass of difference. So but he seems

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focused on this fight. He seems
motivated to get back in the win column.

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There was a period of time in
his career where winning a world title

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was not important to him relative to
getting the money in the fame. He's

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achieved that, so now his goal, he claims, is to fight for

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a title. There's been conversations that
if he wins, possibly a t Femo

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Lopez fight, which Ti Femo has
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But you know, Ti Femo was
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just you know, him talking and
not really sitting down and getting down to

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business. But I said I would
say this, if Ryan is successible against

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d'Arte, we're going to see him
in a big fight, whether it's against

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Ti fiam Lopez or somebody else.
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with houase money. He got nothing
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He's only got one loss. He's
a good puncher with twenty one knockouts

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and twenty six wins. And while
he doesn't have a big resume, anybody

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who's watched the guy knows that he's
a solid fighter. You know, he's

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got some like okay guys, but
there's really nobody on the record that you

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would look at say wow, he
beat that guy. But it's just a

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matter of watch the guy fight.
You know, we talk about sometimes the

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eye test. Again, I'm not
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kind of guy or even necessarily a
future big time champion, but he can

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certainly handle himself in the ring.
He's not an old shot, guys,

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you know, and he's twenty seven
years old and he'll come to fight,

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and you know, it's going to
be great to have Ryan Garcia back back

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in business, because unfortunately, so
many times a guy loses a big time

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fight, particularly when they make that
kind of money, and they go into

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hibernation and you don't see them for
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Well, Ryan fought in April and
here he is back at the end of

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the year. So he's getting in
the two fights, like you know,

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your your typical top fighter these days, and that's a good thing. And

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so hopefully we'll lead to some huge
fights next year if he's successful. And

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I for one, I'm very excited
to see him back the ry because one

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thing about Ryan Garcia, whatever happens
in the fight, so usually there's something

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interesting going on, whether it's you
know, him scoring a big knockout or

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you know, in the case of
the Davis fight, him being stopped that

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was only lost. And if you've
seen Dewarte fight, you know he makes

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a pretty good action fight. Also
not classics necessarily at this point, but

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this is a worthwhile comeback fight and
I'm happy to see him back in the

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ring. All right. Now,
what was supposed to have been the co

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feature on this card was O'Hara,
Davies and Ismail Barrosso Barosso getting another opportunity

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here after that whole thing with Roly
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So this was to have been an
interim WBA Junior Welterway title fight. But

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suddenly on Wednesday Oscar de Lajoya took
to social media and said, we got

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visa problems, and he didn't mean
credit cards, he means with getting a

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fighter in the country. So that's
now not the co feature. What have

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you learned about that? And it
means that Floyd Schofield, who you're very

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high on, will be moved up
in his lightweight fight on the fight card.

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Tell us about all of that go. Yeah, So, like you

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mentioned, it was supposed to be
the co feature, seemingly setting up the

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prospect of the winner having an interim
title potentially fighting Ryan Ryan Garcia, you

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know, Davies or Barroso against Ryan
if he won, which would then make

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him the mandatory for Rolie when he
comes back from his injury, which is

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a fight that Ryan has talked about
wanting. But that fight, as you

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mentioned, postponed because of the visa
problems. From O'Hara Davies coming in from

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England, and so apparently, like
you said, Oscar posted it on social

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media. O'Hara Davis also posted it
on his social media. From what I

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understand, they've worked it out,
but it's too close to the fight for

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him to actually bother to get here
on like a day's notice to do the

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fight. So they're not going to
do the fight on Saturday. And I

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am told by Golden Boy that if
all is well in fact with the paperwork,

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that they'll simply reschedule. They'll postpone
it by basically one month and instead

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of taking place Saturday, it will
take place January sixth h five weeks on

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the undercard when Virgil Ortiz Junior returns
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in Las Vegas. That's another de
Zone show. So the fight will happen,

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it's just going to be postponed by
it. I interject one thing,

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if it was solved within a day
or so, call me crazy. How

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were they not on this? I'm
not asking you to defend them or explain

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it. It's more rhetorical. How
were they not on this? Like late

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last week? Or on Monday to
have it solved so he could. If

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you could solve it in a day, I mean, it'd be one thing

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if you couldn't the next week.
Okay, go ahead, but that's the

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point they Again I didn't speak them
at the particulars, but I have covered

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visa issues a billion times in my
day. They've gone through the process of

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doing the paperwork. Once the paperwork
is done, and I'm sure they did

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it in a very timely fashion because
I knew this site was happening on that

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Once it's out of your hands and
now it's in the hands of whatever the

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government is that you're obtaining a visa
from, it's no longer in your control.

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So it's they're not giving him special
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There's a zillion people that are looking
to get work visas to go to different

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countries to do their thing, and
he was just another guy in the list.

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Some have suggested I don't know this
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O'Hara Davies was one of many MTK
boxers that had involvement with the Daniel Kinahan

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backed company that perhaps that had put
a long took longer. No one's suggesting

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that O'Hara Davies did anything wrong in
that sense. But they're they're scrutinizing those

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folks a bit more, it seems, than somebody that wasn't involved in that

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situation. So but the bottom line
was, again, it takes time to

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do those those visas, and for
whatever reason, his was not able to

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get done in time, and so
he'll do it next month. And and

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don't even get me started on passports
because in the Reeves household, we had

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to wait almost three months, and
right now I'm told it's still even in

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holiday time, like four or five
months. If you're trying to renew your

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pasthort, Hello, federal government,
I mean good, Look, somebody dropped

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the donut four or five months to
get back to you. I mean,

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good, God on that. Here's
a good story for you. Back years

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ago, I was supposed to travel
to Montreal to cover the I believe it

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was the first fight between Sergei Kovalev
and Jean Pascal light heavyweight title fight.

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My ticket was done from ESPN,
my hotel was booked, I had done

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my interviews, I had all my
stuff ready to go night before, two

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nights before I was supposed to leave. I bust out my suitcase. I

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started to throw a couple of things
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passport and I looked at it and
I was like, oh fuck, my

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passport was expired. I totally forgot. I thought it was inspiring the following

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year, and I couldn't. You
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like literally, so I I didn't
go cover. I gotta make a fun

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You got to make a phone call. I got a problem with immigration to

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Canada. So yeah, well that's
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was growing up, you could just
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we would drive to Montreal to you
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just go up for the weekend or
whatever. You didn't need a passport.

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You just show your driver's license at
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right right. But that was totally
anyway. So yeah, So the point

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is, these are these are that's
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we'll do the fight next month's end
of story. They'll do the fight next

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one not officially announced, but believe
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He's fifteen to know. This is
a lightweight uh making making his way up

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the left knockouts good looking young fighter
twenty one years old from Austin. So

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hopefully have some fans that are are
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fight's also in Texas. You know, he's not taken on a superstar opponent

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by any means. And in uh
In Ricardo Lopez Torres seventeen and seven with

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three but uh, you know it's
it's it's a showcase ish kind of fight.

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Yeah, and let's see how the
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hasn't really fought anybody of real consequence
yet. To me, the interesting aspect

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of this fight is that his opponent
schofield this this fighter I'm talking about in

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uh In Ricardo Lopez Torres. Uh. If you go back a couple of

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fights ago, he has one win
since this happened. But he got knocked

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out in the seventh round of an
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an excellent lightweight prospect with Mattroom Boxing, who was also a top amateur.

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So at least there's you can use
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the better prospects out there also,
and Cashro knocked him out in round seven.

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That was in April of this year, and we'll see if Schofield how

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he performs against him. So all
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prospects like I do, I'm not
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but at least it gives you sort
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like if Floyd Schofield struggles with the
guy, you know, you're gonna maybe

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scratch your hddle bit. If he
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one or two rounds, you'd be
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took Castro and also a top level
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know, it's it is what it
is. We're all there to see Ryan

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Garcia anyway, and we'll see the
Barroso and Davies fight next month, and

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we'll see what Scofields can do in
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up in a few moments, you'll
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Reagi's program. More on that in
a couple of moments. First, though,

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there is another fight of note,
and this is the return of Michael

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Conlin off of a knockout loss earlier
this year, Colin back in a non

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title fight with Jordan Gill. This
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is Saturday afternoon US time. One
mention now that we'll handicap this fight as

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well in the US Boxing show Junior
Lightweight Bout. Tell me a little more

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about this one as well here while
we're in the preview mode. I'm not

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really sure what to make of this
one, DJ, because on the one

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hand, you have Michael Conlin,
who was you know, was for a

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long time a good featherweight contender,
fought a lot of good names, suffered

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the dramatic as dramatic as you can
get in terms of the way he went

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down in terms of a knockout loss
to Lee Would in their WBA featherweight title

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fight that was in March of last
year, a spectacular knockout that he was

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on the wrong end of in the
twelfth round of a fight that Michael was

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winning, where Leewood knocked him out
of the ring. He came back,

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he got a couple of lesser,
you know wins against you know, decent

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guys, but not at that level
a decision over Miguel Mariaga, who is

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uh, you know, a journeyman
at this point, even though he's fought

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you know a lot of quality fighters. Scored a first round knockout against uh,

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you know, Kareem Querrefe. So
now he steps back up into a

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title fight where he gets the opportunity
to go up against Louis Alberta Lopez for

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the ib featherweight title. So he's
already been knocked out by Lee Wood in

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the WBE featherweight title fight. Now
he's taken on Lopez in the IBF title

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fight. This is in Belfast.
Also, Louis Alberta Lopez that we have

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discussed in the past, a road
warrior. And not only did Michael get

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pretty much dominated in the fight,
he took a knockout I think in some

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ways more hilacious than the one that
Lee Would scored. I mean Lee would.

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What made it so spectaculous because Michael
slipped through the ropes and so he

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ended up on the arena floor,
so it looked like incredible. It was

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dramatic right as the final round too. Yes, that Colin could have gotten

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the decision in hen but with Lopez
he got just like I used the word

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erased like one shot erasure, just
out cold basically and frankly when that occurred.

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Uh, you know, he had
been with top rank for his entire

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career. Uh. I mean his
pro I was at his pro debut at

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the Garden Theater in New York City
was one of the most spectacular pro debuts

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you'll ever see in terms of the
electricity and right right, So now,

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uh, this is coming off this
knockout. Uh, you know, the

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combination of the Lee would knockout and
the Lopez knockout and not really sure where

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he's going. He's not like he's
in his twenties anymore. You know,

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what are you doing with yourself?
Top ranked? You know, probably they'll

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tell you they were they they love
Michael, but they wanted him to retire

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and uh, but they weren't going
to stand in his way of keep on

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going. But they didn't want to
be involved in putting him in other fights,

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and so he was uh, you
know, they whatever the deal was,

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they they worked it out where he
was free to go about his visits.

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So he's doing this fight with Matt
Trum and they're going to uh to

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his hometown once again. In Belfast. He's taken on Jordan Gill. So

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as I started off, on the
one hand that I told you the story

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about Michael Colin. On the other
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twenty seven and too, not a
big puncher, kind of like Michael in

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that sense, not a one punch
knockout guy. He's also coming off a

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rough knockout loss against Keiko Martinez in
a European featherweight title fight where frankly,

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Jordan Geal was supposed to win that
fight. Kiko was a you know,

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long in the tooth, as he
has been for like a decade. Frankly,

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he's pulled a bunch of upsets and
this was another one where he scored

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a fourth rond knockout. This was, you know, in October of last

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year. So Jordan is coming off
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And so to me, you know, who knows what either of these

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guys have. I mean, I
just don't know. That was also,

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by the way, a featherweight fight. Now they're moving up a few pounds

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to fight each other in a jinger
lightweight by doubt, So Colin's the bigger

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name one thing I think most people
agree on in terms of this fight is

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that whatever happens should be a fun
kind of fight. I mean, these

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guys aren't gonna have to go looking
for each other, and neither one of

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them is blessed with huge power.
So you could see kind of a high

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pace and a lot of punches landed, and we'll see who can take it

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the best. Help me with the
name Gwerfee is what you said, is

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the fighter that Michael Conlin knocked out
in the first round, But also Jordan

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Gill knocked him out as well in
the ninth round in a recent fight in

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in February what of last year,
So Conlin has knocked him out since then.

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I believe in a one round knockout. So there's a common opponent for

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whatever it's worth for this for this
atmosphere. He's a popular, prominent fighter.

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Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about
it on the US show in terms

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of the handicapping. But you know, I usually have a pretty good idea

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of who I'm picking, like even
before we make the official picks for the

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show. I got to actually spend
a couple of minutes like thinking about this

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when I'm looking some stuff up and
thinking and assessing the situation because to me,

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it's sort of like a toss up
kind of fight in that and there

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was fifty fifty fight. Hopefully it's
good. I haven't looked at the odds

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yet, but hopefully we get a
good fight. But that's the match,

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your main event. Uh, you
know, like you said, it's gonna

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be a wild crowd. There's worth
watching in my opinion, And that'll get

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you, That'll get your that'll get
your day started earlier in the afternoon before

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we get the prime time with Garcia. And by the way, I got

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I got other problems, my friend, I got Ryan. I got Ryan

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Garcia in that whole card in prime
time. I also got my boys kissed

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the final concert. Oh that's right. So you know what we have not

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covered and we don't need to do
it. Let's do it right now.

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I mean, I got it.
Let's cover it right now. I was

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in Indianapolis, Indiana, last Saturday
night, my Buccaneers playing the Colts.

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No, I still do not want
to talk about it. The defeated the

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hands of the Colts. But on
Saturday night in the downtown Gainbridge Coliseum or

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Fieldhouse against Gabbridge Fieldhouse, Gainbridge is
the sponsor Kiss was playing that night,

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and I thought of you immediately because
you were mentioning that Paul Stanley, legendary

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member and founder of Kiss, had
been in the hospital. Well, obviously

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they sprung him from the hospital.
They were playing in the heartland of America.

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And now this is supposed to be
the last show ever, and our

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friends at PPV dot com have it
on pay per view, and so you're

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conflicted right now. But I was
sending you the messages from Indianapol. Boys

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are right here by my hotel.
Apparently, so they played, they had

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to cancel a couple of shows in
Canada. They canceled the show I want

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to say in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Paul had the flu. They like you

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said Sprongham, he was feeling better. They went through with the show in

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Indianapolis. Then they played Rosemont,
right outside of Chicago, had a day

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off. We're taping this on Thursday
last night in Baltimore. I would actually

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like to go to that show.
It's about an hour and ten minutes or

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so from where I live. I
wasn't able to do so they played Baltimore

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on Wednesday night, day off on
Thursday and then they got two shows at

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the Garden Friday night and they finish
off Satura. This is that's their hometown.

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They've been a rock Dan for fifty
years. Two founding members left still,

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Jeene Simmons and Paul Stanley. They
still put on great shows. They're

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still popular. I love them.
I've been a fan since the late seventies

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and it's the last one, and
so I'm gonna have to I'm watching that

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paper. I mean no offense to
Ryan Garcia, but I mean hopefully you're

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gonna be uh. I want to
rock and roll all night on one screen

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and then Ryan trying to rock and
roll in Houston on the other screen,

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or I gotta figure it out,
all right, if I'm not live tweeting

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the the Garcita fight, you'll know
what. PPB dot com, by the

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way, has the concert as a
one off no subscription. You can watch

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the concert Dans talking about with our
sponsor PPV either on PPV dot com streaming

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or you can just buy it,
you know, through their company in demand

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on your linear station. Hang up. But anyway, I would not miss

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the last kiss country. I've gone
to see them. I had a meet

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and greet with them with my wife
a few years ago. I got I'll

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show you sometimes you were like a
little kid that night you told me,

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you told me all about it.
You were like up against your rock and

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roll idols there for a few minutes
on a green. So this, this

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is a this weekend is much bigger
than boxing. We got your conflict,

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your conflict. Well, of course, all the college football craziness is going

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on all afternoon. If you're a
if you're a sports fan in this country,

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00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,799
the NFL on Sunday and the fights
and the kiss concert. I don't

406
00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:56,839
know what else you should address you
do. You better tweet a picture of

407
00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,000
it because I want to see you, or you better send me a picture

408
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,319
sure of it because I want to
see it. That's out there if you've

409
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,119
got the makeup on. As I
told you the story, I was walking

410
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,200
outside my hotel and a woman came
walking by me with a group, and

411
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,160
she had the full white paint and
the big black star on the left eye.

412
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,359
Now was that always Paul Stanley or
was that watch me watch me drop

413
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,559
some kiss knowledge on you? Was
that Ace Freely that had the one black

414
00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:25,119
star over the last time? Who
was it? Was it Paul is the

415
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,240
star child, so he where's the
star over his eye? So she was

416
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,240
paying tribute to him. Yes,
absolutely, so that's that's the story there.

417
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,519
So I'm just trying to keep track
of that on a little kiss talk.

418
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,960
And now we get on to the
former undisputed lightweight world champion who moves

419
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,519
up to fight Regis pro Gray,
coming up for the WBC one hundred and

420
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,839
forty pound title. We heard from
pro Gray earlier on the podcast feed.

421
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:49,519
Now let's hear from Devin Haney.
With Dan recently here on the show.

422
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,119
I'm very pleased to be joined today
on the podcast by none other than the

423
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,119
lightweight champion of the world, Devin
Haney, who is moving up in weight

424
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,839
to challenge Redisprograate for the WBC Junior
Walter Weaight world title de Summer Night at

425
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,680
the Chase Center in San Francisco,
his hometown where he was born, live

426
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,440
on his own pay per view in
the United States, his own worldwide.

427
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,720
Devin, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for doing this.

428
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,119
I appreciate it. Yes, sir, thank you for having me. I'm

429
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,160
excited as well. My pleasure.
So actually I wanted to start off with

430
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,720
this. We were supposed to do
this interview yesterday and I got a note

431
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,359
text message from your wonderful publicist Crystal, right before we were supposed to get

432
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,160
on the interview, and she's like, hey, can we reschedule tomorrow?

433
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:36,039
The Vada testers showed up at the
gym to do a drug test on Devin,

434
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:37,960
and then he's got a train.
So you know what I've got me

435
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,119
thinking about that. I mean,
you've been a guy that's been committed to

436
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,640
drug testing, I think for quite
a long time. When you're about to

437
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,039
go in to get to a training
session and they show up unexpected, what

438
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,799
is your take on that? I
mean, what is your feeling? You

439
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:53,000
know what you're in forming? You
sign up with an age random? I

440
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:57,200
mean, yeah, yeah, I
mean it is good. It makes me

441
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:03,160
happy knowing that I was a big
advocate for it. You know, it

442
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,559
wasn't like a common thing, you
know, a two years ago, but

443
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:08,640
I was in one of those you
know, paying for it. You know,

444
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:12,920
I even out of my pocket to
get it done. So you know,

445
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,319
I'm happy to see them come.
I'm happy to be tested probably be

446
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,839
tested as well. So even playing
field, as I wrote, I said,

447
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,440
I can't even be mad about having
the timing of the interview get messedup

448
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,960
because I'm a strong advocate for drug
testing. So if they're there to test

449
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,000
the fighter and it disrupts my interview
schedule for a little bit, you know

450
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:34,119
what, no problem. So here
we are doing it today. Uh.

451
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,640
Like I said, I'm looking forward
to your fight. UH. And I

452
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,519
wanted to start off with this going
back to your fight earlier the year.

453
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:47,160
You had an excellent victory, close
victory against Vasilio Muchenko to retain the undisputed

454
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,599
lightweight title. H. Of course
you became a free agent after that fight,

455
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,720
but you could have got a lot
of different routes. You could have

456
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,640
given them a rematch. Perhaps you
could have uh, you know, have

457
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,960
had the mandatory with uh. Of
course Stevenson. You obviously could have perhaps

458
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,160
contact of the PBC folks to check
in and see what kind of availability Gravante.

459
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,440
Davis said that'd be a big fight
to you. Fimo was with top

460
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,960
rank who you were with at the
time. You opted to go and look

461
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,559
in the direction of Regis program and
move up and wait, I just and

462
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,920
they are all these are all every
match I just mentioned would be a very

463
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,400
good fight for the fans, I
believe. So I'm just wondering what was

464
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,359
your thought process in pursuing the program
fight the way you ultimately did. Yeah,

465
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,799
it was it was a you know, another chance with me to make

466
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:30,000
history. But you don't would becoming
too the business problems wholly gonna dream of

467
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,960
mind and you know it would is
you know, a chance for that?

468
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,160
So you know I'm going to be
great going up to Way, going up

469
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,759
to Wakes. Do a lot of
people have to say that was going well

470
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:44,359
for a long time. Now finally
had the chance to go up if you

471
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,839
fight the champion, and that's what
I'm doing. Did you consider any of

472
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,119
those other fights? And I say
that because, like, you know,

473
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440
if you wanted to go up,
certainly Lopez was also a champion one hundred

474
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,720
and forty, the lineal champion,
even Uh, you know, I just

475
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,359
wondered you thought about those other ones? Possibly? Yeah, you know,

476
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,839
we will wind out all our options, and you know the fight that was

477
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:10,319
the easiest to make, what was
Regi's programs, and uh it made the

478
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,759
most just for me, you know. Uh as a business, you know,

479
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,319
to go get a title and then
you know, go back to the

480
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,319
negotiating table and then you know it
will be you know, we have much

481
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:25,480
more leverage making a fight with TV
more Lopez. So that's a fight you'd

482
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:27,519
like in the future that I take
it as you're saying, yeah, no,

483
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,000
that's that's that's one of the of
the few, you know, like

484
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,680
you said, it's it's a lot
of big fights to be made, you

485
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:41,519
know, slat of big names around
around this way class. But just you

486
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:45,480
know, with me having a title
and I got much more leverage. So

487
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,680
in Regis his last fight when he
made his first title defense, this will

488
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,400
be his second title defense of this
one hundred and forty pounds belt. He

489
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,960
you know, even he's the first
admit that he looked pretty pretty poor against

490
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,759
Zuria. He won and barely over
the summer, uh, and his thought

491
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,599
process is sort of like, maybe
that was a silver lining because your father,

492
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,559
Bill and your trainer and your manager
was their ringside watching the fight.

493
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Regis was not impressive. And at
that point the way Regis says, you

494
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,599
know what, that's what said,
Okay, let's go fight Regis because they

495
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,160
think I'm gonna pushover because I looked
bad in that fight, and that if

496
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,519
he had looked good and knocked him
out in one or two rounds or just

497
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,000
looked great. You know that Devin
Handy would have never fought him. What

498
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,960
is your response to that? Yeah, I mean that's not true because you

499
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:30,960
know, my dad went to the
fight to watch him, so you know,

500
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,160
it wasn't like he wasn't on our
radar. You know, we had

501
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,079
we we always had a great relationship. But with Eddie, Eddie heard and

502
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:44,799
uh, you know he went to
the fight and you know, just because

503
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,279
he didn't look good didn't mean that, you know, he was interested in

504
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:51,200
the fight. I had caught him
out previous to that fight, and uh,

505
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,559
and then it just aligned for us
to make the fight happen. But

506
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:57,960
I'm not I'm not a guy that
you know it goes and tries to look

507
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,680
for the easy fights. Just guys
are here that that does that. But

508
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:07,000
I'm just not one of them,
so you know that doesn't apply for me.

509
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,799
I agree with that. I mean
the mere fact that you're fighting him,

510
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:12,160
and you fought Loma and you went
twice to Australia. I think anybody

511
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,559
that's questioning that aspect of your career
is sort of kind of crazy. If

512
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,880
you ask me as you get ready
for this fight. You know, I

513
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,880
watched the press conference that you had
out in San Francisco when to kick off

514
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,039
the promotion on seeing your back and
forth on social media. I've seen the

515
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,359
Zone commercial that's run a thousand times. There's been some good smack talk between

516
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:36,200
you two guys, and obviously that's
good to sort of pump up the fight.

517
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,200
I think I feel like it's sort
of been not over the top trash

518
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:41,680
talk the way some guys get,
but good enough. But I also wonder

519
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:48,880
is it a matter of that it's
for the promotion or is there serious animosity

520
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,240
between you guys. I get the
impression that you're fighting each other, so

521
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,400
there has to be something. But
when it's all said and done, you

522
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,200
know, you guys are pretty chill
with everybody. I see you guys talk

523
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,880
to other fighters and that you know, everything should be good after the fight.

524
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,680
Where do you come down on that? Yeah, No, it's not

525
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:06,400
no animosity. You know, at
the end of the day, in his

526
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:08,920
business, won't take done if a
personal none, none, nothing that none

527
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:15,680
of these fighters say. You know, it's it's it's all a sport,

528
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,119
and I want to go in there
and put on the best it's you know,

529
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,039
of my career up to date,
and uh, I showed the world

530
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,279
out great I am, you know, uh and you know he he believed.

531
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,559
He believes in what he believes in. I believe what I believe in.

532
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,160
So it was back and forth,
but that's it really a lot of

533
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,359
people look at the matchup Devin,
they say, well, Devin Hayey,

534
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,640
he's just definitely the faster fighter.
He's a superior boxer. He can outbox

535
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:43,759
Regis. Others would look at and
say Regis as a much bigger guy.

536
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,759
He's a big, strong puncher,
He's a southpaw heavy hitter. Uh.

537
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:51,000
Regis says that he feels like he
can also box with you. Also,

538
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:55,480
what's your take on the style of
the fight that will unfold? Yeah,

539
00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:00,920
well that's no life of time he
ever, you know, able to to

540
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:05,640
box with me. But that's what
be the show him on POG except for

541
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,480
knife. You know, I feel
like I do everything better than him.

542
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,400
He does to bee like he does
everything better than me, So it makes

543
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,599
for a great matchup. He believes
in hisself. I believe in myself and

544
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:22,440
it's good. But I'm I'm the
bigger, faster, and I believe I'm

545
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,079
a stronger guy. So I feel
like he he you know, has a

546
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,960
big punch, absolutely, but you
know I go there handicap him and to

547
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:34,720
to you know, make a fight
one on behind back right, Okay,

548
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:40,880
So to make this fight possible.
Uh, you vacated the WBC lightweight title,

549
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720
and now you're challenging, of course
for the WBC title in the next

550
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,160
way class up. But you're still
the champion in the lightweight division. You

551
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,599
hold other belts. I don't know
what's gonna happen those exactly. I'm the

552
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,599
champion the recess. So if I
was decided to go back down to one

553
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,079
thirty five and then I was just
getting my belt back, So well,

554
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,400
that's what I was gonna ask you. So, like Shakur won the vacant

555
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,519
belt the other day, you're fighting
this fight at one hundred and fourty,

556
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,840
you still have uh, like I
said, other belts. Do you think

557
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,480
you'll whatever happens against pro Gray,
do you think that you'll ever fight at

558
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:17,719
lightweight again? Yeah, if it
doesn't make sense, you know, it

559
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,280
would have to make sense, you
know for me, you know, financially,

560
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,880
it would have to be a massive
fight. But Uh yeah, if

561
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,119
it made sense, absolutely, you
know, I would, you know,

562
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,400
take the sacrifice to go back down. But other than that one, all

563
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,440
right, because I was I'm a
little surprised to hear you say that.

564
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,639
And I don't know if you remember
this, but back when, back when

565
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,840
you first signed with Eddie Hern and
Mattrum, it was the weekend of a

566
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,880
big fight. I want to tell
you it was a Canelo fight in Las

567
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,920
Vegas. They did a press conference
to announce your signing. I was at

568
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,079
that press conference, and I remember
this is even before you were a lightweight

569
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,199
champion. There was already the questions
from everybody, and you and your father

570
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,360
spoke about it that you were only
going to maybe have a couple of fights

571
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,400
at lightweight and you're gonna go up
Kevin. That press commerce for like five

572
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,400
years. Aguess. Yeah, no, I do remember that, And it's

573
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,480
crazy, you know how long I
was able to, you know, last

574
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:13,599
at one thirty five, you know, fight at the top level and you

575
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:17,400
know, be victorious. But it's
just so many big fights, so much

576
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,519
money. I'm thirty five, that
it's hard for me to leave. And

577
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:25,440
that's why you know, I was
safety about going to one forty because I

578
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,400
wanted to stay and just keep proving
myself at one thirty five. But it

579
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,679
was only a matter of time,
like I said, it would only it

580
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,000
would have to make, you know, make a lot of money, make

581
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,320
a lot of sense to be able
to go to one thirty five. But

582
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,800
other than that, one forties is
my new division. That's a fair enough

583
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,199
statement. Uh. And now I
look at one hundred and thirty five and

584
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,639
I would not be able to do
this interview without asking you about everything that's

585
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:50,480
gone on between yourself and shore Course
Stevenson. Yes, you're fighting Regis and

586
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:52,639
you guys have had a good back
and forth. But he won your vacant

587
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,760
belt the other night. Even he
admitted that it was a bad performance.

588
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,119
We don't have to rehash how terrible
it was. It was abysmal fight to

589
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,239
watch. Certainly he said he wasn't
feeling so great whatever. Uh. He

590
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,679
was your mandatory. Uh, you
elected to do this fight. And then

591
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,960
he beat Edwin Delos Santos. Uh. And he's been taking a lot of

592
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,000
criticism for that performance. What do
you say to the people that say that

593
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,760
Devin Haney somehow avoided char Course Stevenson, especially coming off that type of showing

594
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,320
that he had the other night.
I mean, nobody but you know,

595
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,800
coming off of that type of performance. Nobody but ever dare even say nothing

596
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,760
like that because the world knew that
I sent them an offer. And like

597
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,719
I said before, you know,
I'm not the type of guy that's dug

598
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,159
and dies any fights. You know, I want to make the biggest fights,

599
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:42,400
best fights happen, so that that's
the last thing you know, I

600
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:47,199
ever would do is duck. But
you know, and and Saturday, well

601
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:54,480
Thursday just proved you know that that
right that you know is not nothing extraordinary.

602
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:58,559
You know, he's who who is
he to duck? You know?

603
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:01,519
I just I just be arguably one
one of the best south paws ever in

604
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:07,760
my last fight. So why would
I be duckish your court? I listen,

605
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,280
I agree with that. I mean, to me, I looked at

606
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,000
it like, hey, you had
the opportunity for two fights that we're both

607
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,719
very intriguing for different reasons, and
you can only fight one fight at a

608
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,039
time, and you made this decision
to fight Regis, which I don't think

609
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:22,079
anybody can blame you about. I'm
interested in this factor to me, and

610
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,840
I you know, because US media
guys do these sorts of things. We

611
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,599
start thinking about, like, well, who's in the top level for in

612
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,440
the running for say the Fight of
the Year and the Fighter of the Year

613
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,760
and the different kind of awards.
And I look down the landscape and I

614
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,239
look at the different guys who've done
the business this year. I see Devin

615
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:44,000
Haney has to win over Lomachenko to
retain the title undisputed at one hundred and

616
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,440
thirty five. Now you have the
opportunity to win the title at one forty

617
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:50,119
or a title at one forty against
Regis Program, who I would say to

618
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,039
most people is like, at worst, like the second best guy in the

619
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,559
division right now. And to me, that says if you win the fight,

620
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,840
and it's you know, not controversial
all that that Devin Haney is stamped

621
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,079
themself as a really solid contender on
the on the certainly among the nominees to

622
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:06,960
be the Fighter of the Year.
Is that something that that you aspire to

623
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:09,880
Is that important to you? Yeah? I mean I want to just you

624
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,039
know, keep people of uh,
you know, keep eating whoever they put

625
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,639
in front of me, and you
know, let the let the awards do

626
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,239
what they do. Lets people choose. I don't want to get too drawn

627
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,000
up on on you know, this
award and that award and this and that,

628
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,920
because I just want to go in
there and put on the best show

629
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,000
impossible, you know, because once
you get, you know, emotionally involved

630
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,039
in that, you be upset if
you don't win, or you know,

631
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:35,719
you'd be mad at the person that
did win, and stuff like that.

632
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,599
But the main win is inside the
ring, and that's my main focus.

633
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,400
So this fight is going to be
in San Francisco, where you were born,

634
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,800
although you grew up and and I
think are more identified at least from

635
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,840
fans as a Las Vegas guy.
Uh, And there hasn't but there hasn't

636
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,800
been any kind of major world championship
boxing in San Francisco. Last I can

637
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,480
see, it was in the early
two thousands and there was a card that

638
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,480
Floyd Mayweather and many pack you.
Actually we're both on together in world title

639
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:06,559
fights. And by all accounts,
your fight against Regions are selling well at

640
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:08,000
the gate, a lot of tickets, a lot of people excited. What

641
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:10,880
what does it mean to you to
to go back to a place where you

642
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,119
were born to do a fight,
And I'm not sure what connections you still

643
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,280
have with San Francisco. Yeah,
I mean, this is a dream coming

644
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,400
true of mine. You know,
my mom my mom still lives in San

645
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,719
Francisco, so you know, I
saw a lot of family that still lived

646
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,239
there and the Bay Area in general. My sister lives there. So it's

647
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,400
it's uh, it's gonna be a
big event for for for the Bay Area.

648
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,599
Uh, it's something that people can
look to because it's not much,

649
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,760
you know outside of the episodes.
We have the Woyage and you know,

650
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,000
we have the A's and which the
age. I think the A's is leaving

651
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:46,880
now. Yeah, so we have
some teams, but you know they're not

652
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:52,159
really you know, it's not as
it was back in the day. So

653
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:57,719
uh, now it's something fresh for
the people to come out to and you

654
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,719
know where they're nice clothes and kids
come out. Uh it's it's it's it's

655
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,079
a huge event and it's doing great, so and great and I'm excited for

656
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,079
it now. One of the things
I was curious about, and when I

657
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,119
asked redis this because I also have
interviewed him. Uh, he didn't really

658
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,880
seem quite one hundred percent short,
which I kind of found surprising. I

659
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,800
just asked. I said, you
know this is an optional defense for him.

660
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,679
Is there a rematch clause on either
side of this? Is there?

661
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:23,480
So straight up, whoever wins can
just go on and do their business.

662
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:30,559
No, whoever wins wins, and
which I don't win? And if you

663
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:32,559
and uh, after this fight,
are you still with Matchroom? Are you

664
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,960
back to being free agent like and
can go to hunt around for whatever the

665
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,599
best deal is after this fight?
Uh, I'm back to being in a

666
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,559
free agent. But you know,
we just got to see. We got

667
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,000
to see, you know, I
got to get past it made a focus

668
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:49,920
is just you know, like I
said, going there, putting on this

669
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,480
show and then uh, seeing what
snakes. What would be the ideal way

670
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:57,400
for this fight to unfold for you? I mean obviously besides getting the victory,

671
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,000
you know, me putting on a
master class, me showing everything in

672
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:07,679
my arsenal empty and everything out or
Regis programs and coming out with toys however

673
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,880
he you know stands it. However
he stands it. But it would you

674
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,039
be with a showcase, you know, everything, a little bit of everything

675
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:21,800
and on fight night. I'm looking
forward to fight night, Devin, Thank

676
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,840
you very much, for doing this. I greatly appreciate it, and I

677
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,840
wish you nothing but the best of
luck. Come up with this big fight

678
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,440
the summer ninth. Yeah, sir, will you be there? You know

679
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:31,320
what, It's unfortunate I will not
be able to make this trip. But

680
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,400
you know what, you're gonna get
my money on paper, you because I

681
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,400
got to buy it obviously. Okay, okay, for sure, all right,

682
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,239
I look forward to see school.
Thanks a lot, Devin, I

683
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,840
appreciate it. You have a good
rest of the training camp, Yes,

684
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,320
sir, good stuff with him,
and we should make mention again. It

685
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:52,199
depends on fighter schedules and when you're
able to talk to him at length.

686
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,840
That fight week is coming next week. But you talked to Devin a little

687
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,360
while ago, not that long ago, But you talked to him before all

688
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,800
of this is coming out about him
vacating officially the lightweight tis although you were

689
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,599
saying to me, is we're pressing
record tonight. You've been in contact with

690
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:14,320
the WBO and which other one and
they have IBF they had not officially heard

691
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,440
from Devin Haney. Yes, I'm
officially giving up my version of your You

692
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,360
know your your title at one third
five so we got to wait for that

693
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,960
to happen officially, he'll do that, I mean, if I don't think

694
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,760
he would have spoken publicly that he's
vaking. But again, he do have

695
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,599
to put out and you know,
you have to notify them officially. So

696
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:36,000
I'm sure his team is his representative
or you know, his father or himself

697
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,280
or his lawyer, whoever, they'll
they'll send them a letter and you know,

698
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,000
do the usual thank you for the
opportunity, and resign the titles.

699
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,519
So now the question that you hear
from a lot of people is okay,

700
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,519
well, if he's vaking, well, he was already made the WBC champion

701
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:52,079
in recess, giving him the opportunity
if he wanted to return. But that

702
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,039
title was filled last week with the
shir Course Stephenson victory over Edwin Deale Los

703
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:59,639
Santos, So the WBC belt is
now filled. The question is what happens

704
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,960
with the the three titles. So, as I wrote in a piece just

705
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,719
the other day, like earlier this
week, the IBF title will they'll order

706
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,840
two former champions, Vasilly Lomachenko and
George Camboss, who have both lost to

707
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,360
Devin Haney. They will fight for
the vacant IBF title. The target for

708
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,079
that fight is in Australia. Cambos
is this home country April fourteenth, which

709
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,719
would be April thirteenth, US time
to fight for that vacant IBF title.

710
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,800
They're working on the deal between Top
Rank and Lou Debella. Top Rank of

711
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,880
course the promoter of Loma and the
co promoter of Cambos's and Debella the co

712
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,800
promoter of Cambos' is also So that's
the IBF title, the WBA title,

713
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:44,920
there won't be a fight necessary because
Gervante Davis is the so called regular champion.

714
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,519
They will simply remove that tag and
he'll be the only WBA champion.

715
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,320
So that'll eliminate another one of the
the regular titles. Interesting, he said

716
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,519
on social media. I guess Wednesday
night, Thursday morning something that he's not

717
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,760
interested in that belt and interested in
one third whatever that's worth. It's not

718
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,400
worth anything because he is the regular
title holder and he's been defending that belt,

719
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,920
and so he'll now be the regular
full he'll be the only titlest if

720
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,480
he wants to, so then he's
got to essentially tell them I want to

721
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:14,960
fight at one forty. I don't
want this belt anymore, which is what

722
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,199
he was implying. He was implying
on social media. He doesn't want that

723
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,239
full title. He doesn't care.
Okay, no offense to these fighters,

724
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,000
but they don't know the rules.
Most of the time, he has the

725
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:29,760
title because by virtue of the other
title being vacated. If he will,

726
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,000
if he doesn't want to defend the
WBA title, that's certainly his prerogative.

727
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:38,440
He has to have him or his
representatives notify the WBA and vacate the title,

728
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,840
or they'll when he comes to set
up his next fight, you know,

729
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:45,440
notify them. He's not defending,
so again that's up to him.

730
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,360
But at the moment, he's the
champion. I mean, he can give

731
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,320
it up, but until he does
or they strip it from that's the way

732
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,280
it's going to be. Uh And
in terms of the WBO belt, that's

733
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,159
the one where the participants in the
title fight to fill the vacancy. Is

734
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,960
somewhat unclear. Number one ranked in
their organization is Lomachenko, but that won't

735
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,199
matter because he's going to fight for
the vacant IBF title, as I mentioned

736
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,800
against Cambosis. So now you look
down the rankings, number two is Dennis

737
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,519
Barentchik. Number three is Isaac Pittbull
Cruz. So the fight that the WBO

738
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:20,559
likely would order would be Barentchik against
Cruise for the vacant title. Now,

739
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,159
if Isaac Cruz is going to go
fight a rematch against Gervonta Davis, which

740
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,239
is what a lot of people think
is going to be the first fight for

741
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,400
Tank next year, then that would
obviously remove him from that situation. And

742
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,760
so then you go further down the
rankings and just I don't have to go

743
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,559
through all the top ten, but
you're talking about some other guys. Number

744
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:38,960
four is Angel Fierro, the matchroom
fighter for Mexico we've seen in some exciting

745
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,599
fights. Number five is the Golden
Boy fighter, William Zapeta, undefeated.

746
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:50,039
Big hell yeah yeah that name,
yep. Number six is Frank Martin,

747
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,360
who, of course was in the
news for turning down the fight with Shakor

748
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,400
Stevenson for the WBC vacant title.
So you got to figure that other than

749
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,960
Lomachenko, those are the guys that
are going to be in the mix for

750
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:04,920
the vacant WBO title. All Right, more news. We got some nostalgia

751
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,480
coming in a couple of moments,
and this involves another vacant WBA title,

752
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:13,760
the featherweight championship, Kolmatov and Raymond
Ford and a purse bid. Give me

753
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,920
more on this and you've also learned
more intel on Kolmatov. Yeah. So

754
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,920
anyway, as we have reported and
been discussed, Lee Wood vacated the WBA

755
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,440
featherweight title. His plan is to
move up to the next way class and

756
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:30,920
so that meant the title was vacant. His mandatory before he vacated was a

757
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,760
fighter named oda Bek Kolmatov, who
is not a well known fighter, but

758
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,119
he's a spectacular up and coming fighter
eleven and zero with ten knockouts from Muzbekistan,

759
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,920
big amateur career. I've seen him
fight. This dude is the real

760
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:45,280
deal in my opinion. He can
he can really fight. And ray Ford,

761
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:49,079
who is an undefeated fighter with one
draw who's been brought along from day

762
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,360
one by Matchroom Boxing and has you
know, gotten you know, he was

763
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,159
a kind of in my mind,
was like a suspect early on and kind

764
00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:59,920
of like wasn't really sure is he
going to do anything, But he's got

765
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:01,920
looked a lot better in his last
few fights. He's coming off his biggest

766
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,519
win where he scored a pretty one
sided decision over Jesse Magdalena, who was

767
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,000
a pretty good fighter in his own
right, a former world title holder in

768
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,079
the junior featherweight division. And so
those two guys have been matched up according

769
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,519
to the order by the w BAT
to meet for the vacant title. Top

770
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:21,960
They had a purse bid earlier this
week. Top Rank won the perse bid

771
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,000
for three hundred and seventeen five hundred
dollars. The only other offer in that

772
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,239
per s bid was Matrim, which
is the promoter. As I said,

773
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:36,719
of a Ford and Mattrim got beat
by like sixty grand. They bid two

774
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,360
hundred and fifty five thousand and change
or something like that. But to go

775
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,159
along with Top Ranks winning person now, they haven't announced this yet, but

776
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,559
what I am told by multiple sources
that are involved with the situation is that

777
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:51,440
Top Rank before they didn't get into
the bid to bid, they sign Kolmatov

778
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,960
to a promotional contract and then back
to bid, which makes a huge amount

779
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,559
of sense if your Top rank,
because with Kolmatov will probably will be the

780
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:01,280
favorite to win the fight, and
that means therefore he'll be the WBA featherweight

781
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,719
title holder. It gives them almost
a complete hammer lock on the on the

782
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,119
featherweight division in terms of the titles, because they already are the promoter of

783
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:15,920
Luis Saberta Lopez who has the IBF
title, and they're already they are already

784
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,679
the promoter. Not well, Ray
Vargas is the WBC champion, he's with

785
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,800
PBC. But really what they're doing
here is they're setting up that because they

786
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,880
also have the WBO title holder and
Roby C. Ramirez who defends the title

787
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,360
coming up on December of the ninth. So if they have Colmatov, Ramirez

788
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:37,280
and Lopez A, it gives them
the opportunity if they desire to match some

789
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,400
of those guys in unifications, which
will bring a little bit of more attention.

790
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,559
But I think more importantly is they're
setting the table for when inevitably Noilla

791
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:49,440
in a way moves up to featherweight. Now he's going to try to become

792
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,000
the undisputed junior featherweight champion on December
twenty sixth when he fights Marlin to Palis.

793
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:55,159
You know, in a way,
he's got two belts, Paulis as

794
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:58,440
the other two in a way is
going to be like a massive favorite in

795
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:04,239
that fight, and the thought process
from everybody involved is that he's going to

796
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,920
become undisputed at one twenty two and
in twenty twenty four the monster is moving

797
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,800
up to featherweight and top rank will
have plenty of championship fights for him.

798
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,639
He goe to try to run the
table again and it's a great chess move

799
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,039
in the long term, and it
makes sense in the short, shorter term,

800
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,360
and the immediate term. It makes
sense too because it's a good fight

801
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,960
and Homotov is a is a pretty
good interesting fighter. If you never saw

802
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:31,079
him, you can search him out
on YouTube. But when he won the

803
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:37,679
eliminator to get the mandatory position against
undefeated fighter named Thomas Patrick Ward, he

804
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,320
went on the road to the UK
looked absolutely sensational in that fight. Okay,

805
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,000
one more piece of news. I
mean again, it's like all WBA

806
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,559
here in the news items that the
WBA's junior bannamweight champion kaz Ioka is going

807
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:52,320
to be back, and you've got
more on this and it's gonna be once

808
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,840
again on a familiar gate for him. Go ahead, So Ioka, like

809
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,559
you said, he is the WBA
titlelder he had been the BBO title,

810
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,280
or he had had a unification with
Joshua Franco. They ended up in a

811
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,360
draw. He ended up vacating the
one belt to take the rematch with him

812
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,320
in the second fight and not do
a mandatory Anyway, the bottom line was

813
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,800
he ended up winning the WBA belt
also, and they were trying to set

814
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,679
up a unification fight between Ioka and
Jan Francisco Astrada, who was the lineal

815
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,559
champion and the WBC champion. That
would have been a fantastic matchup. I

816
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,119
mean, you're talking about Estrada,
who's a probable Hall of Famer, and

817
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:30,039
Ioka is definitely a strong consideration.
Like I think he's got a really good

818
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:31,400
chance to be a Hall of Famer. He's won titles in four weight classes.

819
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:35,639
He's been a lot of good fighters
over the years. Anyway, for

820
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,199
whatever reason, they were unable to
get that deal done. But Ioka did

821
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,360
not want to give up the New
Year's Eve date. This is amazing.

822
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,119
Now in America, there's never boxing
events on New Year's Eve. It's not

823
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:49,880
not even something that they think about. In Japan having fights in and around

824
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,039
New Year's that week and on New
Year's Eve itself his tradition. It's been

825
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,320
going on for years and years and
years and years, and so Ioka,

826
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:58,760
amazingly, this is going to be
the twelfth time in his career that he

827
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,719
has fought on years ether now.
He's only got thirty three professional fights in

828
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:07,960
his entire career. That means almost
not half, but a huge percentage of

829
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:10,880
his fights as a professional have been
on New Year's Eve, and many of

830
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,760
most of them have been world title
fights. So anyway, he's back in

831
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,519
the ring on the thirty first taken
on a fighter named josber Perez, not

832
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,920
exactly a big name guy from Venezuela
twenty and three. But I just find

833
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,239
it amazing that that Ioka, with
that amount of professional fights, that such

834
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,800
a huge percentage have always come on
New Year's Eve. It's like it's almost

835
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,920
like it's like Canelo Alvarez fighting on
Singo demayo. Yes, if you're in

836
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,639
Japan, Ioka's fighting on New Year's
Eve. You know, the most famous

837
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:43,440
fight I'm going to play your song
here on a holiday is Rocky fighting Drago

838
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:47,880
on Christmas? Well, yeah,
ROCKI why December twenty fifth or whatever it

839
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:52,880
was, and he says, what
is it? There's no money or whatever,

840
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:57,079
why would you do this? And
of course they filmed it in British

841
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,599
Columbia, so it wasn't really Russia. It was British Columbia, as Barry

842
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,400
Tompkins told us in July, like
in the Midsummer But it was allegedly a

843
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,079
Christmas Day fight. And I digress
with some movie nostalgia. But right,

844
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,880
did you know this? While I
totally digress and before we get to our

845
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,000
nostalgia, I did not know this. I learned something today. I was

846
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,360
today years old, the same age
as you, fifty three years of age.

847
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,039
That Stallone wanted to use Queen's another
one Bites the Dust for the opening

848
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:30,920
credits and the opening score for Rocky
three, and Queen and Freddie Prince balked

849
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,840
and said, no, mate,
you can't use my song. Mate.

850
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,920
By the way, he went,
hello, Freddy Mercury, Well, Freddie

851
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,719
Mercury, excuse me, not Freddy
Prince. I'm getting my actors and singership,

852
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,639
Freddie Mercury. They rebuffed Stallone to
use the song, so he then

853
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:49,599
with a budget, went to Survivor
and said, yo, can you write

854
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,119
me a song? And they wrote
the Eye of the Tiger for the movie.

855
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:59,119
How did that work out? Rayfield
thinks that's the greatest opening sequence montage

856
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,000
in the history of cinema. You
can disagree with him and fight with him

857
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,480
on social media if you would like, But I didn't know that until today

858
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,920
that Stallane's first choice was Freddie Mercury, Thank you and Queen, and another

859
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,239
one bites the US shout out to
our UK brethren and sister and that are

860
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,440
listening to us. But instead they
didn't want to do it. And so

861
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,519
there you go. There's some nostalgia
that leads us into other nostalgia, and

862
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:29,119
that is forty four years ago today, November thirtieth, as we released the

863
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:34,239
podcast Thursday nine into Friday morning on
the thirtieth and say hello to December Sugar.

864
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,960
Ray Leonard defeats Wilfred Benitez to capture
the WBC's welterweight championship back in the

865
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:45,559
two belt era. Marvin Hagler on
the undercard is fighting the two belt undisputed

866
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:49,239
champion, Veto Anti Fermo in a
robbery. Well, we talked about robbery

867
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,199
in the present day in bad scoring, et cetera. Haggler absolutely beat Anti

868
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:59,719
Fermo didn't get the decision. But
interesting, the Haggler undisputed fight was the

869
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:05,000
whole feature before the Leonard fight,
and they would eventually intertwine and fight years

870
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:10,199
later. And I vividly remember watching
both of these fights that night in November

871
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,480
back now forty four years ago,
Sugar Ray Leonard winning in the main event

872
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:21,079
in a fifteenth round stoppage against Wolford
Benitez. What about it, Dan Rayfield,

873
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:22,800
give me more. Well, this
will tell you how big of a

874
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,719
deal boxing was back in nineteen seventy
nine when this fight took place. That

875
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:31,159
those two fights you mentioned, Sugar
Ray Leonard against Benita's and Hagler Antiformo.

876
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:37,119
They were on primetime ABC on Saturday
night, not pay per view, not

877
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,360
premium cable, not regular cable,
but free to air ABC. And not

878
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,079
only did ABC, as they did
lots of times, show those two bouts,

879
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,199
they actually had a split site card
because besides the two fights that took

880
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,360
place that we're talking about, that
were at the Caesar, the very famous

881
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,960
sports pavilion at Caesar's Palace in Las
Vegas, on the same broadcast, they

882
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:02,920
showed the then short of third World
Championship fight. Uh it was a light

883
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,480
heavyweight championship fight between Marvin Johnson and
Victor Galindez. So that was like a

884
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:12,119
triple header from two different sites on
prime time. It was like, you

885
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:14,760
know, if you were a boxing
fan, it was heavenly is the bottom

886
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,599
line. But in terms of Ray
Leonard, you know, this was the

887
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:19,960
guy that was He had won the
gold medal Olympics, He had got a

888
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,960
huge amount of publicity and attention from
the media and from the networks, and

889
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:28,119
he was the rising superstar. Hagler, of course, was not yet champion,

890
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:30,039
and you know, would still be
a little while until he got the

891
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:34,239
opportunity to fight for the title again
against Alan Minter who then who was the

892
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,519
guy that bumped off and defeated uh
Ante Fermo to get the title. So

893
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,280
the star of the show was Sugar
Ray Leonard against Benitez, a fellow Hall

894
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,039
of Famer like Hagler is also and
like Sugar, Ray Leonard became and I

895
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,000
think if you if you look at
the fight, first of all, it

896
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,559
was it was a very good fight. He stopped Benitez with a few seconds

897
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:57,000
left in the fifteenth round to win
the title, and in the addles of

898
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:01,159
boxing history, because Benitez was such
a great and Ray you know, was

899
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:06,679
rising star at that time that in
terms of like a great win in a

900
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,920
big spot like this is one of
like the best big time wins in boxing

901
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,800
history when you really look at the
various uh, you know, if what

902
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,559
you think about a big win in
a big spot like this was a huge,

903
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,360
huge one, you cannot understate what
a big deal it was. Now,

904
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,199
Leonard did go into the fight as
a favorite in the fight, but

905
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,199
he still got to get the job
done. But it is it was a

906
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:29,280
crafty guy, was a very quality
fighter, had a great resume with the

907
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,519
champion. But the fact that it's
forty four years ago still blows my mind

908
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:36,679
because I remember it as a kid. This was like then. Tells you

909
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,760
how big boxing was. Also the
back when Sports Illustrated meant something, not

910
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,320
the fucking dumpster fire it's become with
their nonsense AI reporting. We don't have

911
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,559
to get into that. But back
then and for many years after, it

912
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:52,239
was the premier sports publication. It
was the best and the most important sports

913
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,480
publication in the history of sports publications. But Sugar Ray Leonard with his arms

914
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,880
raised, you know how sweet it
is with the headline across the front cover.

915
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:01,960
We know he was the cover.
Amazing a couple of days after.

916
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:06,280
I remember, I remember that cover. I remember getting that magazine. I

917
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,320
was subscribing at that time, as
as you would read it and subscribe to.

918
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,159
And again we have to convey and
you saw it in that great documentary

919
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:20,519
The Four Kings. How big a
deal Ray Leonard was post Olympics, the

920
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:23,079
marketing of him, the salesmanship.
But the guy could fight, and this

921
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:28,159
was winning a world title. Like
you said, primetime TV and how mainstream

922
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:32,079
boxing was in the sports culture at
that time. This was a massive,

923
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,000
massive deal. And then it just
kind of goes to the whole situation that

924
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:39,800
Marvin Hagler faced for so many years. His co feature fight was kind of

925
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,440
just the after that. I still
remember Howard Cosa, how would co Sell

926
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:51,960
losing his mind on the decision that
Hagler had not won the fight with Anti

927
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,800
Fermo leading up to the Sugar Ray
Leonard title fight. But yeah, I

928
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,360
remember all of that. It's scary
to me that it was that long ago.

929
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:01,320
Yeah, I want to talk a
lot on here about activity level and

930
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,760
how it's like we're talking about like, oh, it's like a big deal

931
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,960
that Ryan Garcia, a young fighter
is fighting for the second time this year,

932
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:10,519
hasn't even fought in a world title
fight. Yet you say, you

933
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:13,920
say that's a bit, it's not
that big a deal. No, the

934
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,920
guys that fight three or four times. That's here's what I was president.

935
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:20,360
But now now listen to this.
Listen to what he's about to rattle off

936
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,880
on these guys. Here's what I
want to say to you. When Sugar

937
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:28,639
Ray Leonard defeated Wolf for Benitez to
win that title on November thirty, it's

938
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,320
forty four years ago as we tape
this. That was the final fight for

939
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,519
him in nineteen seventy nine, a
year in which he fought nine times,

940
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,719
nine times, and by the way, once he defeated Benitez, he didn't

941
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,079
take six months off. That was
November thirty, so end of November,

942
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,920
end of March he's back in the
ring. First first defense against Davy Boy

943
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:54,519
Green, and then three months later
he loses the title on a close decision

944
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:59,639
against Roberto Duran and then only a
few months after that he's back in the

945
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:05,920
ring with October regained the title.
So Leonard, from the beneath this fight

946
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:07,840
on went on a run where he
fought Davy Boy Green, who was a

947
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:13,440
good contender, two fights against Roberto
Duran, Then he fought Larry Bonds.

948
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,800
That was the fight that he had
in the Carrier Dome and Syracuse that was

949
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:20,480
like a live HBO fight. Then
he moved up in waight again still in

950
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:23,679
fairly short order and fought Collule and
won a title at junior middleweight. And

951
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,000
then he went back down at the
end of the night, close to the

952
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,920
end of eighty one and fought Tommy
Hearns on their famous first fight. The

953
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,280
point is the dude was crazy,
busy fighting top top guys. You know,

954
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,280
it's just a different world now because
they understood that activity meant popularity meant

955
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:45,760
dollars because not everybody was being handed
five million, eight million dollars Ray was

956
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,719
making at that time for his fights. Once he became champion, he didn't

957
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,400
have to get back in the ring
ENTI the activity level he did because he

958
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,440
was he was the guy that was
making the millions of dollars for This was

959
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,679
also part of the culture that was
understood this is what you did. Because

960
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:01,199
how much did Marvin Hagler fight in
seventy nine. I guarantee you Marvin Hagler

961
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:06,039
fought four or five times without looking. I bet Marvin Hagler fought four or

962
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,400
five times in seventy nine easily,
So you're probably right about that. I'll

963
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,440
look it up. I'll I'll make
you look it up. But I'm telling

964
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,880
you he he would easily fight six, seven, eight times in typical years

965
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,559
because he had a mask going into
that Antifermo fight. He had had masked,

966
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,440
had a mass like forty plus wins. So in nineteen seventy nine,

967
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:31,239
Marvin Hagler fought five times, thank
you, and culminated that five fight run

968
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:37,199
with the draw in quote marks against
Vito Antifarma for the undisputed title. And

969
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,199
unfortunately it took him, uh you
know, another year or so to get

970
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:44,400
the fight with Minter. But you
know what in that in that ten months

971
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,039
between the draw that we're talking about
and winning the title against Minter, he

972
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:50,880
fought three other times. By the
way, just as an assignment. If

973
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,320
you ever have a chance, go
look up on YouTube this fight that he

974
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,079
had after Anti Fermo, where he
knocked out a fighter named Lucy if Harmanek

975
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:05,639
absolutely out of the fucking ring,
dropped him and knocked him all right,

976
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:08,079
So great nostalgia on that one.
And now that's not all. We got

977
01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:15,719
more a little more here that twenty
three years ago Saturday, Tito Trinidad,

978
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:21,079
Fernando Vargas, and you were there
in Las Vegas. Tell me more about

979
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:23,920
all of that. I mean,
I was kind of I was a rookie

980
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,199
still. Then, okay, this
is the end of my first year of

981
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:34,079
covering boxing. I had started at
USA today in in uh I had been

982
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:37,280
hired in February of two thousand,
moved to Virginia to start the job in

983
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:43,800
March of two thousand, made my
first trip out to cover fight in April

984
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,239
of two thousand. That was Lennox
Lewis against Michael Grant, and then you

985
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,360
know, covered fights on the road
steadily for that year. But for whatever

986
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,079
reason, the calendar year of two
thousand did not have a ton of Vegas

987
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:57,559
fights, so I never went to
Las Vegas to cover fight called towards the

988
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:01,440
end of that year. In November
of two thousand and I covered another Lenox

989
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:06,920
Lewis fight, him against David Tua, and then three four weeks later I

990
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:13,239
was back in Vegas for Trinidad versus
Vargas and I was I can't even describe

991
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:15,280
to you my excitement level personally that
I was going to get to go to

992
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,280
this fight. There was I mean, Larry Merchant, my dear friend,

993
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,760
the great HBO commentator, could not
have said any better. As they were

994
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,119
talking about the build up to the
fight. I don't remember on which broadcast

995
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:30,440
he said this, but something to
the effect that if you could order fights

996
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,519
from a menu like you go to
a restaurant, order like a dinner,

997
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:39,519
you would absolutely order Fernando Vargas against
Felix Tito Trinidad. These were supremely exciting

998
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:44,840
fighters. One was Mexican American,
one was Puerto Rican, so the rivalry

999
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,320
was there, both with action styles, Both were young. Fernando was you

1000
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,360
know, still in many people's minds. You know, I'm not a prospect,

1001
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,599
but you know, not even in
his prime yet. Trinidad was in

1002
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,679
his prime, had moved up from
Welterway where he had dominated for years,

1003
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:06,760
and made a ton of defenses,
and they put on as spectacular as a

1004
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,519
show as you can imagine. Mandalay
Bay was on fire that night. I

1005
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:13,480
can still remember like being in the
press room and you know, this was

1006
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:16,800
a co promotion between Don King and
and and Kathy do have a main events

1007
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:22,719
at the time. You know,
they had Fernando and Don had Trinidad and

1008
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,719
the electricity just in the media room
of the excitement that people had, what

1009
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,039
you could feel it. You just
couldn't have had a better fight on paper.

1010
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:34,000
And we talked about it all the
time. There's lots of great fights

1011
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:37,360
on paper and unfortunately sometimes they just
don't live up to the bill. And

1012
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:38,360
that's, you know, nobody's fault, it just the way things go.

1013
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:43,719
If it was possible for a fight
to exceed expectations, in my opinion,

1014
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,159
Tito Trinidad against Fernando Vargas exceeded the
expectations. It was that spectacular, I

1015
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,639
think. And I've spent a lot
of time like studying other dreuor midway title

1016
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:57,719
fights, partly because a couple of
years ago, when the people at my

1017
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,519
friends at the Ring magazine, they
did a Feelix Trinidad special like a print,

1018
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,400
just like a reflection on his entire
career. And I wrote the piece

1019
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:09,360
for that magazine about his run at
junior middleweight, which was very brief,

1020
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:13,119
only was three fights, and this
four fights, I should say but this

1021
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,559
was no No. Three fights.
It was David Reid, Mamadou tim and

1022
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:19,280
culminated with Vargas. And obviously the
Vargas fight is the is the biggest part

1023
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:25,920
of that three fight run. I
think it's the greatest junior middleweight title fight

1024
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,320
in the history of the junior middleweight
division. Uh you just you can't get

1025
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,679
a better fight, I mean.
And the thing of that it was we

1026
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,760
were sitting there at ringside and the
anticipation is like through the fucking roof,

1027
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,480
both on the media row as well
as in the in the in the crowd,

1028
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,920
the promoters were excited, I mean, everybody was excited about the fight.

1029
01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:47,320
And like a couple of seconds into
the fight, Trinidad lands and Vargas

1030
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,000
is knocked on it. You know, He's knocked down from a hook and

1031
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,960
we're like, okay, this is
not good. And then a couple of

1032
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,159
seconds after that he gets up and
he gets knocked down again. You're like,

1033
01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:58,400
oh fuck, this is gonna be
a first round fucking knockout, right,

1034
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,639
And the Fernando Vargas is like the
guy showed as immense heart and balls

1035
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:04,599
as you could ask for and was
able to survive that I still have no

1036
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:08,519
idea how he got through the first
round. He ended up coming back,

1037
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,280
he dropped Trinidad. There was a
low blow in there. They battled back

1038
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,960
and forth. The action was just
incredibly tremendous fight. Tremendous fight, yes,

1039
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,320
and then they get to the late
rounds and you know, Fernando was

1040
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,599
starting to get behind. He was
behind on the cards. He'd been taking

1041
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:24,920
some punishment, but the knockdown at
Trinidad was something impressive. He had Trinidad's

1042
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,519
I've blown up a little bit.
And then Trinidad, you know, as

1043
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,239
he is just still a killer with
the ultimate closing of this fight and just

1044
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:35,079
dropped him repeatedly in the twelve roun
until they finally waved off. But as

1045
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:39,800
in the immortal words of Don King, many times, super sensational fight.

1046
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:45,239
Like I love this fight and to
this day and all these years later,

1047
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,400
if I was making my list of
the top ten fights that I ever covered

1048
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,719
in my life, this is in
that top ten for sure. Wow.

1049
01:05:51,920 --> 01:06:00,039
I've covered hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of boxing events and literally like well I

1050
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,159
don't have never counted the total,
but thousands of actual bouts, uh that

1051
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:06,280
I've been ringside for and this is
as supreme as it gets. And the

1052
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,519
thing about it also is that the
week of that of that fight is so

1053
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:14,360
memorable to me because of the fact
that, and this is not unusual.

1054
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,000
There's always like smaller cards around bigger
fights, but this one took that to

1055
01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:23,199
another level. So that week that
I was in Las Vegas, besides this

1056
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,360
was obviously the centerpiece of covering this
fight, I covered something like five fights

1057
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,280
in a few days. In Vegas. Don King had done a boxing show

1058
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:34,960
that was on the old satellite service
USSB at the Orleans Hotel that had a

1059
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:40,320
bunch of name guys, heavyweights and
whatever. Covered that show that was on,

1060
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:43,360
like I want to say, like
Thursday night or Wednesday night. Now

1061
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,880
you get the Friday in the in
the UH in the UH Mandalay Bay in

1062
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,280
their in their one of their ballrooms, or maybe it's it was maybe it's

1063
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:56,679
the MGM one of the ballrooms.
There was a ESPN Friday Night fights card

1064
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,440
that I covered where I went on
the show as a guest and changed my

1065
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:05,800
pick from Trinidad to Vargas like a
fucking idiot because I had spent I got

1066
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,800
I got, I got, I
got bamboozle because I had spent time in

1067
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,039
the gym a few days earlier with
Vargas and was convinced. And I learned

1068
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,480
from that moment on don't ever worry
what you see during fight. We don't

1069
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:18,719
change your pick unless it's dramatic.
So I was on the set and made

1070
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,800
changed my pick on live television to
like an idiot. So that was Friday

1071
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,679
Night. Now, when the ESPN
show ended, I hustled over uh to

1072
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,119
the to the Venetian Hotel with a
later fight card that was on HBO the

1073
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:33,360
night before the big pay per view. That was a doubleheader that had Marco

1074
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:38,119
Antonio Barrera, then the featherweight king
of the world in one fight and the

1075
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:41,880
main event was Bernard Hopkins. Why
were they cramming so much into that week

1076
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,760
in December? As you recollect just
real quick, that's a lot for that

1077
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,360
week in one by Don Don was
involved with the main show, so he

1078
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:51,599
was doing a show earlier in the
week, Friday Night Fights was running a

1079
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:57,360
show on purpose around the big fight. Everybody's in Vegas and the media is

1080
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,440
already there, which is your point, right, and HBO was looking for

1081
01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:02,960
you know, they were closing out
their year, but they were trying to

1082
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,440
promote the pay per view the night
before, so they went with the Friday

1083
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:11,760
night show and that was on which
Bernard Hopkins had his very interesting let's call

1084
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,000
it rematch against Antoine Echols for the
middleweight title. That was a fight where

1085
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,880
Bernard was thrown down and hurt his
shoulder but got up and kept going and

1086
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:24,479
you know, and then afterwards made
the plea, don't let don King give

1087
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,039
Felix Trinidad an opportunity against William Joppy
or Keith Holmes for and calling the middleweight

1088
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:31,039
champion if he beats Vargas. You
know, caverydy knew he's going to move

1089
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:35,199
up to the middleweight division anyway.
So that was on Friday Night, and

1090
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:40,000
then Saturday was the big show,
and then Sunday, I'm in Vegas and

1091
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:43,079
it's actually I'm going to a wedding
in Vegas because that was the day that

1092
01:08:43,159 --> 01:08:46,000
my sister in law got married.
But before her wedding, this is back

1093
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:50,560
in the days of when Top Rank
we're doing their Spanish language cards on Univision,

1094
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,159
but they were on a like one
o'clock in the afternoon Eastern time,

1095
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:59,239
which meant early morning or ten in
the morning Pacific time, and I went

1096
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,960
down to the Applaza Central Hotel early
in the morning after a huge fight the

1097
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:08,039
night before, to cover a Julio
Diaz fight. Why you ask, because

1098
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:10,640
I was going to stay in Vegas
anyway because of the wedding, but because

1099
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:15,119
I had determined that if Julio Diaz
wins this fight on this Sunday morning,

1100
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,760
that he's going to be the USA
Today inaugural Prospect of the year. So

1101
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,319
he won the fight. I did
my interview with Julio after the fight,

1102
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:25,000
which was the basis of my article. And so there you go. I

1103
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:27,800
did five fights and went to a
wedding, all in like the span of

1104
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,479
a few days. And the cornerstone
event was covering one of the greatest fights

1105
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,760
I ever covered, between Felix Tito
Trinidad and Fernando Artist. You never fail

1106
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,720
to deliver on the nostalgia. That's
incredible that there were that many fights in

1107
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:43,119
and around Vegas in the same week
in December, not even a summertime.

1108
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,479
Summertime is usually when there's much more
prominence in boxing all through history. But

1109
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:51,199
wow, all right, A busy, busy podcast previewing the Ryan Garcia fight

1110
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:57,000
that is headlining the Golden Boy de
Zonne show on sorry night. You heard

1111
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,199
from Devin Haney on this podcast,
and well he's in act next week Matchroom

1112
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:04,399
Design main event in San Francisco with
Regis Progray for that one hundred and forty

1113
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:09,720
pound world title. News nostalgia.
What else do they need to get them

1114
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,560
ready for the weekend? Oh,
the bet Us Boxing Show coming one Eastern

1115
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,039
time on the bet us TV platforms, YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, all

1116
01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:20,520
of that social media. I look
forward to seeing you there. We'll handicap

1117
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,960
these fights a little more, but
this is good stuff. We are primed.

1118
01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:26,720
We are primed and ready for December, starting with this weekend, my

1119
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,279
friend, one more time, And
we got a lot coming up in December

1120
01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:31,000
too, because we got the big
heavyweight card. We got all you in

1121
01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:34,640
a way back at it, Jake, Paul, Jake Paul. We've got

1122
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,399
Robasi Ramirez in action. We've got, as you mentioned, the pay per

1123
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,079
view with Hami and pro Gray on
December ninth. Also, So we got

1124
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:44,880
some good stuff coming up. We
do, there is no doubt, all

1125
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,560
right, my friend, always appreciate
it. We'll talk to you on the

1126
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,880
bet US Show. Thank you,
Dan, Rayphiel Good bet I am merely

1127
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:55,039
TJ Reeves. Make sure you're following
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1128
01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:58,960
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1129
01:10:59,079 --> 01:11:02,960
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1130
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