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fucking sucks here. It just fight. It sucks, That's what I have.
Yeah, first, Mike, how are you doing? I mean,
this is an all seriousness, Jeff, My finger hurts. I think having
to push this fucking sharp I just say, deepets, don't bother me.
Having to like push this diagonally constantly for the fucking jumps I have to do.
I Mortal Kombat Mythologies has actually done some kind of nerve damage to my
thumb. It is so sharp. It's it's just like in the game where
you're like, I've got this and then you immediately fall deep pads never bother
me. And now hear your finger hurts. My first problem it's just so
he can't believe's not a jump with it. Yes, ah, but yeah,
uh it's been a long week, it has We're not quite through it.
No gods, tomorrow is supposed to be the bad news day. You
should be exactly the garbage day. Uh. Do you ever stop to think
maybe this is your fault for not beating fujin? Like maybe we're in the
bad time line zoomed that I assume fault one way or another. Uh.
Yeah, it's it's rough out there, lots of layoffs. It's a real
bummer. Seems like way more than what are what would be a reason or
in any way justifiable. We'll talk about that. It's going to be kind
of what we talk about in our big Topics of the Week segment. But
yeah, I don't know, Mike. I guess we should stay up front.
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right. The big topics of the week layoffs ry I had a bunch of
layoffs. Microsoft laid off nineteen hundred people. Everyone everyone across the industry is
laying off about eight percent up to about twelve percent of their workforce, and
everyone's like Hey, we can get away with this right now, We're going
to do it, and it's wild out there. Got people kind of message
me like, oh, the entire QAA teams internally at studios being laid off,
just kind of completely losing their jobs. It's a mess. Mike,
how are you feeling about it? All? Bad? Not good, but
confuse, angry, sad, worried, lots of negative emotions about this.
It's pretty hard to see any kind of bright side except I guess the vague
promise and that you know, times like this usually don't last forever, at
least they happened so far. It's not that much consolation at the moment.
I mean, Jeff finely talked about it before. But if I asked you,
I don't know if you there's this a synct way for you to explain
why is this happening? Yeah, I mean there's there's a couple of reasons,
the big reasons. Like for most of these companies, it's easier to
explain. With Microsoft, they're a three trillion dollar company. There they have
the largest market capitalization in the history of the world. They are more than
Apple now they're the second company ever to get three trillion in market cap after
Apple, but there is still still reasons. The real reason is that the
industry is, you know, if it's growing, it's growing at about one
percent. That's the number we got from the MPD group. NBD group looks
at everything, all the data available to them and for the entire market,
and they look at mobile everything, it's like, we're going about one percent.
That's about four percent below what they were expecting, which is well,
MPD was expected about three percent. These companies were expecting about five percent growth.
And then really what it is, it's actually down way more severely than
that, because these companies were expecting like five percent growth on a year before
that was still as high as the pandemic year was, and so it's like,
oh, these forecasts are way out of whack. And the companies hired
up based on those expectations, and here we are. I think you can
like compare it to it to a country like Japan, where it's a lot
harder to lay people off, and so they're a little bit more hesitant about
hiring people. And there's an argument to be made it's like, well,
get rid of some of those regulations and more people will get hired. But
it's like, actually, they've been way more responsible in terms of slowly building
up so that they don't find themselves in situations where they're like completely overstretched and
they have to begin cutting a bunch of jobs. That's way more traumatic traumatic
and just kind of slowly hiring people consistently as you need it. For Microsoft,
it's the same thing. I think they're looking down the barrel of Okay,
yeah, we did just buy a big publisher, and we do have
Xbox Game Pass and all this stuff. But for the next couple of years,
we're not expecting huge leaps in growth for anything, especially like Call of
Duty. Call of Duty's probably going to have, you know, a couple
up years, a couple down years over the next little bit. But between
the Battle Royale game, between the mobile game, and between the console premium
release, when you add all those up together, the next couple years aren't
going to be like a ten percent growth here compared to the high tide of
what they experienced during the pandemic. So you can extrapolate that across the entire
portfolio over there for Microsoft. So there's a yeah, what are we going
to do. We have a lot of people now, and we did just
make an acquisition, so there are redundancies. So simple thing here is to
cut a bunch of jobs, and it's just like, why, why is
it that simple? It shouldn't be that simple. And we know it's not
just redundancies. It's not just when we're here specifically from Blizzard, of just
so many just straight up developers. The entire team that was working on a
new project seems like Overwatch too hit by this. A bunch of people,
I mean, our mentor Dan Schues working I think in the editorial team.
A third of his team and him are gone. So just tons over there,
right, That's why I opened with like that, it's eight percent across
the entire industry. Everyone like these these are not some Oh this is Microsoft
doing this because the acquisition happened. I know that's a common thing from a
lot of people, and get I get that string of thinking. Obviously that
does have some effect on this, but it's not the only thing that's happening
here. Sorry to interrupt, though, let you continue. No, you're
right, it's just the Isaac. Theing Microsoft in the Xbox thing is especially
upsetting because that, I mean, that company just has so much money,
just so so much money. I don't understand what the point of being a
company is if not to just at least support a workforce instead of just immediately
dumping them and making that the solution, because it's the easiest solution as soon
as you need to find a way to lighten alone or to make stockholders happy,
and of course the stock price goes up, what do you do?
We did it? Everybody we win just encapsulates like everything wrong with the whole
system, right, yeah, yeah, it's and you know, of course
people point to corporate consolidation, and I just don't love that because it makes
it sound like if we just stop these people from being able to sell their
businesses to other businesses, capitalism would work. It's just like it's not.
I wish, but no, the symptoms go so much deeper there. The
problems are. The cracks run to the very foundation of it all. If
if Microsoft was blocked from buying Activision Blizzard, we would likely still be seen
most of these layoffs just spread across two companies in stea out of one.
Definitely we'd be saying them, I think at Activision and honestly probably at Microsoft
as well. Activision was definitely going to be like thinking about Okay, we
have again going back to call of duty, we have expressed call of duty
and the number of ways that we can figure out how to express call of
duty to get as much milk out of it as possible. And now we
are we have the mobile game. We have a bunch of batter reyals that
we released back to back and now we're going to kind of try to focus
on one of those, and we're going to have the seventy dollars game coming
out every year. Can we keep making more Call of Duties? Yeah,
we're going to actually have a couple more coming. But beyond that, what
do we have? And it's they don't know. They don't know, so
there are only other solution. Usually instead of well, instead of making big
bets for growth, if those aren't working or we're too afraid to do those,
it's to cut costs. And they're the easiest thing to cut is the
thing that costs the most, and that's labor. And here we are.
But it just seems like they're setting them souls up poorly for the future.
So Okay, maybe this Blizzard game, the survival game, wasn't working.
Well, we're still gonna need something. Can't you get those people to make
something else maybe instead? Yes, where we have at Blizzard right now and
Overwatch too, that also just lost a lot of staff. It is not
in a good place at all. A harvestone that has been dwindling for a
pretty long time now. They all before that came out strong and seems to
have been very quiet since then. I don't know exactly how that's doing.
I can't imagine doing terribly. But Blizzard just seems like it's such a weird
place right now. I can't imagine what its future is. I want it.
What's gonna happen to that campus? Jeff? I wonder if that's a
big sticking with Microsoft, that Blizzard has this giant expansive in California in Irvine,
California, giant office complex. Right campus is literally a campus. I've
been there. It's very ornate, it's huge, it has to be incredibly
expensive, and now at a time where we really don't need offices that much.
Nice to have, I guess, but man, what's going to happen
to that? I mean nice to have to a point, because like,
but you start looking at those numbers, probably it's like, man, the
world in which we made the mortgage for that thing or whatever it is.
The loan is so different, Like if we were to build the same thing
today, it would be half the price, or we'd be our monthly payment
on that would be half of what we're paying on it. Because office real
estate has completely collapsed. No one's renting offices anymore, no one's building,
no one needs offices anymore. So, yeah, that stuff is very cheap.
And so when you have these contracts that are built in, they look
especially egregious. I bet you're right. I bet that campus does look like
an eyesore when they are looking at the costs and comparisons like that. Yeah,
I think setting themselves up for the future. You said, Boy,
it doesn't feel like there's any thinking about that right now. Right now it
feels like, oh my god, we're making too many games and that it's
like, oh oh shit, Really that doesn't seem like them be possible.
People still, people are still buying a lot of games. People spend a
lot of money on games they like. Yeah, if you have if you
make a bad game or a game that people do not get moved by,
it's very easy for that thing to crash and burn I recognize that that is
a huge risk and that that is a scary proposition if you are one of
these companies. But if you just still, if you don't think that making
games is the answer, what the fuck are we doing here? I just
don't get it, Mike, Yeah, right, Like, what else?
What else are we going to do? Right? Right? I mean you
can latch onto, you can hope for another buzzword to come around and hope
that works. And honestly, that feels like whether it's what they were doing,
so survival survival games, Okay, right, we'll just do one of
those. Like, I hate to see a game. I would have rather
that game got made to finish. I would have rather that maybe they worked
on something a little bit more inspired exciting than that. Who knows, we
don't. We haven't seen that game, right, might not ever know?
Tom was a survival game. I bet it would have been really good.
I bet it would have been really fun, very would have been very spiffy.
But you know, I mean, they've been struggling this for a while.
Even Overwatch was basically the bones of a much more ambitious game that was
never able to get off the ground, and then they made something fantastic out
of that, and it sort of slowly kind of ruined it. Right.
I still find that whole PvE cancelation baffling. I think that's that was clearly
the wrong choice. Something was clearly mismanaged there. And I know that's a
lot where a lot of the cuts went over there. I know some other
place where the Xbox cuts happened. I think, according to Jazz Cordon is
on the physical publishing side, right, which I suppose that's not shocking,
but that's not shocking. We're going to see a lot of people making more
cuts in throughout this year. Yeah, at certain points, like I bet
they're thinking, why is then not something we're just when we need it,
we'll outsource it, And when we don't need it, why are we spending
money on it? Yeah, those shifts are happening, like there are still
there are still like strategic and behavioral shifts in the market that justify moving people
around and taking resources out of one bucket and putting in another one. This
is just a full on reversal from games in many ways now, I mean
not a complete reversal, but they are in reverse pulling back from Okay,
we've made all these investments, all these beliefs in games, and now that's
just not something we want to be in the business of right now, of
like one hundred percent committed to all these things. We want to pick and
choose and just be very safe and go with what we know. And it's
like, I mean, you've been like that before Xbox That's what the Xbox
One generation was, where you're like, like, you had that launch of
the Xbox One, those launch games didn't perform. You tried to get that
Tune Rader exclusive game that didn't go very well, and then you're like,
well, fuck, we see everyone playing Destiny constantly. Why would we be
trying to make anything other than a game like that where people are just going
to play that for twenty five hundred hours. Anything else is a waste of
our time. And it's like, okay, well, hopefully game Pass solve
that and now, but we're kind of back here where it's like, are
you're going to only go with stuff that are sure bets or only go with
things that are I mean, I suppose a big, expensive survival game from
a Blizzard, maybe that is a beast of a different color at a certain
point, maybe that is so massive and so such a huge risk that it's
different. But I don't know, it feels like, well, yeah,
just take those people then and move them to something else. Why are they
all being let go? It's because they're afraid. My worry is, you
know, we're having amazing games right now. This month has been amazing.
Last year was amazing, but that's a product of things happening four or five,
six, seven years ago. I'm worried about what this industry is going
to look like in terms of the quality of games we're getting in four,
five, six years right now. Because of the decisions that we are making
right now, I think they're going to look incredibly short sighted in the near
future. Yep, it's probably we're going to get two a couple of years
from now, You're right, and we're gonna look around and be like,
remember twenty twenty two, Remember twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, those
are some good years for games. We were getting a lot of games.
And you know, while this is happening, the underlying market, the bubbly
market of people making games and putting it on Steam and making power worlds with
a handful of people, or you know, even like a small, relatively
small teams. That's not going to slow down people. That's just gonna keep
going. And you're going to be in a world where you're going to be
even less relevant if you can't, if you didn't make some big bets yourself
at some point. So, yeah, I don't know. Nineteen hundred people
is it's a really huge number. It's unfathomable. It's number. And by
the way, it's not just a shrug. That's the that's how business works.
Numbers. So please, God, please don't if if you have that,
take please just take a little bit more. Think that things can actually
be remarkable. Not everything can be shrugged off in a non issue, because
if it is an issue, it would have to bum you out for two
minutes. I'm not saying that you have to be depressed for the rest of
your life. Yeah, but it is a real thing. It is real
serious, and there need to be solutions instead of everyone twiddling your thumb here
and just kind of wait to get out or hoping it's not as bad as
we think because that's this just business or something. Yeah. I mean,
listen, you have my permission to be a nihilist, but fucking keep it
to yourself. Just keep it to yourself. If you're actually an nihilist and
you really don't care about any of this, then don't care somewhere else.
Don't You don't have to tell people that you don't care. Just fucking go
be miserable and unaffected by human suffering somewhere else. I don't need it my
mentions, don't need it in the comments, don't need it in the chat.
Just save it, please, all right? If people have any questions
about this, do you have any comments you want to make yourself so again,
the super chats are open. Or if you want to talk about something
else that happen this week, feel free. We will still talk about we
have our other topics happening. We're going to choose the best game of twenty
thirteen, things like that, we've been playing tech in, We've been playing
I've been playing like a Dragon. We'll talk about that in a little bit.
There's anything else you guys want to talk about on this subject or anything
else, feel free to hop in there. Let us know. Let's take
a quick break. When we get back, we'll do some super chats.
Talk to you all right after this, and we're back. Mikey, if
you have some super chats, go ahead and read those to me. Absolutely,
so we got a few here. First of from Adam GC says,
I cannot fucking even with the end of that blanklow. I show my wife
and she was so upset on Mike's behalf. Oh, Jeff, I gosh.
The most the incredible thing is that you know, the community has really
come out and support of me, Jeff, and of course people have gone
through the effort of us, specifically finding and clipping. The time Jeff got
tired of Sonic O six because he was bad at pushing balls for twenty minutes,
so then Nicky just told him how to clip through a door and cheat,
and we were happy for him. We cheered, We're like, that's
nice, go job. I do have thoughts about this specifically you. There
is a certain amount of pride that you have and I know you did ask
for help. I'll get to that. There's a certain amount of pride that
you have of doing it yourself that Dan doesn't have and I don't, and
I'm like worried about sullying that. But clearly with this game, we have
crossed over that line where it's like you know you've done it. You've done
what was expected of you and more, and so now that we're going through
it again, clearly, let's just talk it out and figure out the best
way to do this. Somebody else literally edited together a tips video for me
in this level. And remember at one point I was like, I'm worried
that I'm not getting some ability that is like some diagonal projectile. Is that
really what it was? I'll ask the fuck what so I might have to
I think, where's LONG going to do when I get it back in there
on Wednesday, I'm going to learn like at least one good ground combo.
I'm going to find a really efficient way to kill these minions so that I
can kill them and get experience and get the diagonal thingy and then go fight
Foojin the fucko. He's not even a fuos are good? Where fucos?
He's just a fuck off? Yeah, that fuck off food Jen. We're
gonna freeze him, We're gonna be aggressive, we're gonna kick him, and
then when he makes a tornado, we're going to apparently run to the science
stage and grab the edge of it. You psycho passed, what the hell
is wrong with you? Here's what I don't get like most of the almost
all chat was on your side, like being to be told that information Sean,
Why were you like, no, we can't tell him. It was
just because it's like we wanted to me because Sean, Sean likes to see
me suffer. That's the only reason why, Mike, Mike, remember when
I told you that I don't accept apologies, I get even the hell you
fuck? So yeah, because he hates me, you should cool? Now,
Yeah, I could not, Like, I really couldn't hold it in.
I like when I saw when I like, first I read it's like
you got to grab hold of something and hold on. And I was like,
because I read it first before I saw the video, I was like,
what what if the fuck are you talking about? Hold on? So
what that has not been a thing? I'm like, is he supposed to
try to jump off the edge and grab the side of the stage like hang,
Like that's that's the most psychotic thing I've ever heard. It's like,
it's like, no, it's the second most psychotic thing I've ever heard.
Run to the edge of stage, duck and just I guess you automatically does
this get over there? It's like some bespoke special context animation. Yes,
that happens only in that it's psychotic. It is just absolutely criminal. It
is literally just jaunt to bias or somebody was like, it'd be funny if
they just died no matter what. After being this boss. I don't want
to give them the credit for that. I think it's just like they're like,
hey, it would be cool, it would be cinema if you had
to hold onto this stage. And then I saw a mechanic in our game
though, Yeah, and they never even thought about the ramifications of what that
meant exactly. I don't know. You know, I'm having I'm had a
good time with us. I'm glad I'm not playing it. But that was
the most bullshit thing I've ever seen. I would be Claire, you know,
I get upset. I'm still I am having fun. I'm glad that
everybody is having a good laugh. You know, it's all entertainment. So
don't like, don't shoot feel bad for me other than your hurt fingy.
Of course that's a problem. The new episode of Highlight Reel from our friend
Chris person he I think you put that up on his Patreon today. It's
out early for picture, and I think that clip is in there of you
doing the jump kick. So the jump kick, yes, that was he
was like as soon as he saw that, he like I saw him,
favored it. And then like two seconds later I got a DM saying can
I put this in highlight? Reel my absolutely, go for it? All
right? Any more super chats? Yes? Next from RT Bicks as mikeyr
Pain brings us so much joy? Thank you, Jeff. How are you
feeling about Harball leaving Michigan. I'm fine with it. It's like hard to
try to talk about it on Twitter. It's a terrible place to talk about
something like this. Thank you Harball for getting us the national championship. He
earned that, he did that. I do think at this point, especially
the changes to college football and the name, image and likeness sort of payments,
Michigan is like number one, number two in terms of being the most
a profitable of college football program. They have so much money, and they
are also, at the same time the one place where a defensive person has
won the Heisman and finished second in Heisman voting in the last couple of years.
If you're a defensive player, you're gonna want to go play at Michigan.
So I think they're gonna be able to recruit great players with or without
Jim Harball. I'm not too worried about it. And I always thought Jim
Harball was kind of weird honestly. He's Like when I hear these stories about
him telling players don't eat chicken because chickens and nervous bird and it will make
you nervous, I'm like, what the fuck is this guy talking to you
about? How do you think that gets transferred exactly? What do you think
eating is? Jim? Eating is like you are what you eat. That's
not real. No, And it's definitely not real like that, like you
are what you eat, like when the other thing is alive, It's like,
no, what are you talking about? So hey, whatever, he
is a good coach. He is clearly a good coach. I think what
he did with San Francisco was really great. What he did with Stanford before
that was great. What do you do with Michigan is great. He's going
to have success wherever he goes. I think Michigan's going to be fine in
the same way that Ohio State was fine when Jim Tressel left and then urban
Meyer left even I know Ryan Day hasn't really had a great success against Michigan.
Ryan Day has still done very well. If Michigan was like like that
for like five years, I'm used to that. Now. I think they're
going to be kind of going back and forth with Ohio State for the next
fifteen years or so, and I'm totally fine with that. Youngstown hero Jim
Tressel, oh, right, and then Alex says for Mike's Nerve Damage Recovery
Fund, please save us from a fusion. It was really weird, Like
if I press on my thumb, it feels like, yeah, it feels
kind of crunchy exactly. So it's it's a nerve. It's not like because
for me it was with a dual sense, like I just aggravated the skin
underneath to the point where it like must have became like slightly infected and it
hurt to the touch so bad. It's a bump. Really, is this
something weird about it? Okay? So that's like it's like I lost some
feeling. It gets numb. My finger is numb because I was trying to
practice Korean bagdaches and the tip of your finger gets numb. It's I've been
using a lot of like PlayStation style deep as lately because I'm playing Tech and
five on a PlayStation five controller. So yeah, maybe just a deep had
heavy lately. You know what sucks. I used to like Fujin. I'm
sorry you've lost this, that you've lost this love for this character. It
took fujiin from me. Oh grug says I never felt my heart right increase
watching one stream a game until yesterday. Is Fuji in the worst boss in
the game you've played? I thought about that specifically. I think the answer
is yes. I don't think I've ever fought a worst video game boss more
boring once. Certainly there's bosses that are so nure, like stupid and why
is this even here? But this is this is insane, This is pure
hell. Yeah, I'd have to really think about it too, something that
that that's that bad. If I was just fighting like an actual fighting game
like CPU, that was kind of bullshit. A's one thing, but it's
not right insane. Yeah, And for it to be, I mean,
obviously all the stuff stacks on top of another, for it to be at
the end of that level, after having to learn that level and having lives
and continues and like you could still kind of lose a life here and there
to bullshit in that level and you get there, and it's just the fact
that the the jump kick did happen on uh or was it? Did the
jump kick cabbin when you got a game over? And then also the tornado
happened when you were on your last life and got a game over at my
you right, that might be right. So frequently be in that position where
it's like win now or game over and start the level. Over All that
stuff stacks to make it so much more bullshit. Yeah, Connor, what's
his minor good news? New celest content? That's nice. I would I'm
kind of at a point where I don't know if I will we'll check will
or we'll not check out new celest content. I'm kind of like, you
know, I could go for a Celeste too. It's kind of what I
want. Maybe that's not really in the cars, I guess maybe depends what
what if this is like you know, Celeste two in spirit, but just
it's not it if it's like a kind of shovel night, We're sure,
but I don't know if a few things have updates that extensive. Sure A
good point. Charre Wolf says, guys, please tell me we see its
new game this year, what do we think is working on? Because I
mean, machine games are teasing Quake and they probably are making Quake. Why
does why does the whiteboard say Quake six? Uh? At least in terms
of the actual numbers, there was only four. There were like other quakes
after four, like Champions. I just never thought of that as like Quake
five. I wish I could answer. I don't know. I wondered I
would have to like ask the hardcore quake community if there's an answer to that
that I'm not Jeff, I know you're busy with the Ridge Racer Angle.
Thanksful for you to share any details, so out one at a timing thank
you. People are saying quick wake quick ward. Champions is probably not Nick
Trvis is quick. I don't know. See Champions is five and thriller.
That's kind of fun. Who played Mario Kart two or Great two or the
fuck it is Mario Kart nine? So well, whatever I mean, I'm
going to call it Quake six. Anyways, it released, uh the last
Doom Maternal several years ago, right? Yeah? One was Prey too?
Was that MB or is that somebody else? No, pray to Humanhead Studios.
Okay, well no wait no, no, uh that was human Sorry
I said pray too, I met? Uh god? What was that?
Other? Fucked me up pretty bad? There a sequel, the Desert Wasteland
one, I'm sorry, A Rage two? Rage two? Was that?
It? Rage? That was it? I think? But that was before
Doom, wasn't it? It was involved, Yes, Avlach and it it
might that's right, that was yes? Yeah? Okay, so it's I
mean, listen, it's been long enough that we guess we could hear something
from it. I honestly haven't. I haven't really thought about it. What
could they be working on? It would be working on heretic or hexen,
right, Like that would be cool. You know what they should do with
all that? They should just fucking make it Doom cross Heretic, doom cross
Hexan or something like that, like make it all kind of connected or something,
at least for one offshoot. That would be fun. I don't know,
I find a bet. Probably just the next dum Probably that's probably what
it is. Yeah. Uh. And then Ted Dirk says both hit Man,
Blood Money and the Ace attorney apaula Justice collection released on Switch this week.
Which should I play first? Oh? That Blood Money collection came out.
Blood Money. It's just blood money. It's hit Man blood blood Money
men blood money, right right, right? So it came it came out,
I think almost exactly a week ago. I was about to get it,
and then I was like, I'm gonna hold off until I finished some
other stuff. But I was like, I've been looking for some of the
play on my Switch. So yeah, that's out and looks it looks pretty
decent. It looks pretty good. I guess it also had some quality of
life improvements and stuff like. It feels like a well, uh, it
got some love, is what it feels like. I do like those Ace
Attorney games a lot. I mean, tho, those are two very different
things. I guess you's got to ask yourself if you're in the mood for
some you know, stealth stuff or a more visual novel with some adventure game
elements thing. I mean, Apaul Justice is definitely going to last you longer.
If that's a concern. That's you know, three pretty beefy kind of
games in one collection. All right, That is it for super chests for
now. If you guys want to send any more, we will read them
before the end of show. Oh there's one right now, Americle says,
Lions win, grubbing invas. I guess if the Lions win and I talked
to Steph and we like figure some stuff out. If I can make it
happen, I will. I think what I'll do is I'll do a week
of streams trying to make enough money to justify going to Las Vegas for the
Super Bowl, and we'll see. We'll see. That's like a very soft
plan right now, Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The lines still need
to win. Okay, that does it for the super chests you said,
Mike, that's it for now. Thank you, Thank you everybody for sitting
those in. Like Mike said, if you said anymore, we'll get to
all of them before the end of the episode. And again, there's something
you want to talk about. The layofs just kind of blew everything off off
the desk for me. But if there's something that happened in the news you
want to talk about, let me know. We'll make it happen. All
right, I'm ready to go for a best game of twenty thirteen. If
you are Mike or Christian? Should we take a break? You tell me
no, no, no, so just go in to it. Yeah,
all right, So we're gonna also do we have a we finally have a
gay mess Hall of Fame thing to do, so we can take a break
between these things. That's right, all right, everybody, So we're gonna
do the Best Games of twenty thirteen refresher on this. Me and Mike we
picked the five best games of twenty thirteen. You guys, give some help
if you're a podcast producer, and if you also, if you have a
super chant you want to drop a suggestion, you can do that as well.
Also, feel free to just throw them chat. That's fine. We
pay attention to that sometimes, all right, Mike, twenty thirteen, Where
do you want to start? It's weird because there's some games. There's some
really big imporren games here that I think I really liked at the time,
and not that I think they're bad games now, but I'm just I'm not
shut the fuck up and sell the link between Worlds. Look, it's I
mean, yes, not that one. That one is only gotten better with
age. Actually, man like, Between Worlds is so good. It's just
I can't believe that we almost just got a lead to the past remake it
set of that, because yeah, it would just be so that'd be good,
but we don't. One we don't need it, and two a link
between worlds got like between Worlds, which might be the best of all of
the like old dungeon style z out of games. I mean, legit is
one of the best games ever made. It is a game when you pick
up you just can't put it down because it feels so good to play,
and it immediately just begins feeding you great progress and just it's just so well
done. It's so good, and especially in terms of like back then,
like the old games, Okay, there's gonna be like some kind of gimmick
that we're gonna play with, and here it's that like becoming a drawing on
wall things, and it's great. They squeeze so much juice out of that.
I love the way it gets incorporated first into that one bus fight that
got the shield, but then in an even better way in the final buss
fight. What a good final boss fight. Just a ton of fun that
game and really good three D effects, like a game where the three DS
three D stuff was fantastic and kind of added to it for me. Oh
love that love love, love, love love absolutely. Do you want to
suggest a real one other than the one I just yelled out there? I
mean that's a very like I guess, like some of these ones. I'm
thinking, what's the one? Oh? Okay, So now, Firearm Blum
Awakening. Is this year a good year for the three D? Yeah,
was having a good year in the North North America, that's for sure.
Yeah, everything I said last time about Fire Emblem Awake Eating It's true.
I think it's still the best. Fire Emblem did a really good job of
balancing that kind of fun social stuff with the combat. I think it still
has the overall best cast of characters. It was just this really big moment
for the franchise, finally breaking through and becoming something kind of permanent, right
because on the Cusp but going away and now it feels like, of course
there's going to be Fire Emblems. That's just going to be a thing Nintendo
will release every once in a while, and a lot of that is due
to the God, most of it's due to the success of this one game.
Yeah, I think I got I remember having conversations with you about that
back then, like we must have been like early relatively earliest game speed days
and we were like, yeah, yeah. The fire roomoment feels like it
is now one of those Nintendo franchises where you know, it's not Mario and
it's not Zelda, but it's right behind it, and it's like that's still
kind of true to this point, and it did happen with Awake Fire Boom
Awakening. Just it does everything right. It's got it does have great tactics,
great battles, really well designed the characters. I still remember it's on
the back of Dragon. I don't always remember the last fight in a in
a Fire of Them game, honestly, but I always remember that sweet.
And then I mean the the pairing up system and having kids like that was
awesome. That was so cool, And it's one of those things where it's
like I know that they that was like the spin in Fire Boom Awakening,
so they're hesitant to like replicate that, and then sometimes they're like, well,
I wish we could just kind of do that again, So how can
we do that in a new way? Kind of wish they would just make
that a standard part of Fire of Them going forward. I like it that
much. Photton in our chest sets shouldn'tgommy tense. I would four would be
here if it was the Final Fantasy And you know what pretty funny actually,
but no, I played that whole game because of all the hype. But
I liked for Sona. I played like all eighty hours of it or whatever.
It Okay, it was okay, I'm sorry people love that game,
but they do love that game. All right, I'm gonna go with man,
this was the Call of Duty Ghost here. I'm gonna go Super Mario
three D World. This was weird for me because you know, I was
initially only so so on this game, and then when that switch version came
out, it just had some small improvements in the whole other timber faster,
that kind of thing, a little bit faster, you had that kind of
dive jump in. Suddenly I was just absolutely in love. But it was,
of course still a great game. Yeah, I you know, I
really did enjoy this playing this by myself, but then I did I played
a lot with Steph and we had a really good time doing that as well.
That I think that's what's really sold it for me, is like I
love the way this looks this is an HD three D Mario game, and
it looks fantastic. It's not you know, it's not Galaxy, but it's
it's doing the thing where it's like, hey, we're afraid of giving camera
control over the player still at this point, So how are we going to
deal with that? We're going to kind of basically have almost a fixed angle
camera for a lot of these levels. I'm like, you know what,
that's completely fine. They still found a bunch of ways to make these levels
feel really satisfying, and I like, I still kind of like the idea
of just like running through a course and getting to the end. That still
Mario still has its place even in three D, and then you know,
great music and it really is just beautiful art designs. So Super Mario three
D World got me from the beginning. It does get better on the switch,
it clearly does, but for me, at at the moment, I
was already super in love with this game. I think at the time,
I think I called it my favorite Mario game or the best Mario game.
Gave it a ten out of ten on game speed, all that stuff.
I love three D World. What do what do we do with BioShock Infinite
the most quickly reassessed the game in history. I think absolutely, yeah.
I gave it an eighty nine out of one hundred. I remember that.
I remember. I remember because when I gave it to eighty nine, it
was like, you know, obviously there was a lot of discourse. I
remember Chris Person asked me on Twitter It's like, yeah, well, what
happened to the one point for it to get a ninety? And I'm like,
I have I remember like thinking, I have a rationale for that.
I'm not going to sit there and actually talk casual racism. That's that stopped
it from getting the ninety. Yeah, that was definitely a part of it.
It was also I definitely remember thinking it was so weird when the twist
was and the people who are fighting against the oppression are just as bad as
the oppressors. I remember playing the game, They're like, oh, that's
whack. Okay. There's a lot of weird things. I remember there's like
what part where there's some guys like, hey, we have those things with
the first bowshok here drink this, you have b shoot out of your hands?
What? Oh okay, they're just here. I think the thing for
me was that the world felt so lifeless, like like when you have the
NPCs and stuff, it's like, oh, it's almost like you were on
a ride and so it and there was no explanation for other than that's just
video games, and so it felt like they were putting on this facade that
would have something else behind it, and it's like, no, they just
are asking you to sort of buy into that. In a way, that
just didn't feel like they figured out answer to these things. And I think
there's that is true for a lot of things in that game. I think
they had a bunch of ideas and they got to a point where it say,
we don't have answers for it, And I'm part of that is a
shame that, you know, these games can't get enough time, enough money
to get to that point where it's like, well we have ideas, let's
actually see them through and they have to like cut them up to cut them
short. But if it really does suffer from that, I think it's a
fine game. It's still a game that I bet I would enjoy playing up
to a point, but I don't really want to put it on my top
five here. It was also a precursor to Multiverse bullshit, And even back
then I thought I resented that. Wow, So in the beginning, this
game is trying to like be as critical of you know, patriotism as say,
the first BioShock was of you know, things like capitalism and and you
know things like that. And then it was just like, I forget that.
Would it be crazy if like there's a hole and you look, it's
still called Revere Revenge of the Jedi in at the end, Hey, look
we're in wrap. Yeah, it's like uh uh oh uh oh. There's
an infinite number of these no matter what. But there's always a lighthouse.
So what what the fuck does any of that mean? What does that mean?
It doesn't mean anything, It doesn't mean anything. I had fun play
in the game. I really did. Like I asked me, like,
rightmost, I was like, yeah, it was super fun. And then
I just whenever I think of it, I was like, I'm like,
eh, something unfortunate about all that to me? Yeah, it was okay.
Then how about Assassin's Cree for a Black Flag. That's actually a good
game game I really liked. In a world where I had infinite time,
I would be replaying that game. That's that's game that I think I would
really enjoy going back to right now. I mean, you know, the
house creepy stuff, and it was fine. That stuff was beginning to feel
kind of saving me at this point. But all the sailing really was just
super fun and very intriguing. And it really was this fun little map,
not little map, this fun big map, a perfectly sized map you had
to sail around and do all this goofy stuff in right. Yeah, Yeah,
it's uh, they just they really captured the magic of hey, what
if you were basically a pirate on the high seas, what would that feel
like? And so well, you know, I would want to have my
ship and have them singing sea shanties, and then I would see some bullshit
shineing in the ocean. I want to just dive right into it and swim
down and get it and bring it back up and then and it's like you
could do all that in the game and it feels really good. It works
really well. The character's got a lot of that oh cool pirate swagger that
you would want. Yeah, gotta like. I like Black Flag a whole
bunch. It's not it's not my favorite assassin's Creed. But it's like almost
because it feels so different than I don't even think about it as an Assassin's
Creed game. Yeah, it's just its own thing. I'd be surprised if
it's not like in anybody's top three. Right. If it isn't it maybe
it's because of that. Man, how is one Wicker HD? And twenty
thirty? How is the HD update of win Wacker eleven years old? Now?
Yeah, it's messed up. It's messed up, honestly. Pickman three
coming out in twenty thirteen's messing me up a little bit too. Where's this
year? Yeah? It's like, Man, then, I played the Deluxe
once a couple of years ago, so that game feels like really fresh in
my mind. And I remember reviewing that game as well. God, I
was reviewing a lot of games this year. Uh yeah, Pickman three,
I definitely think about that one a lot, which I played it out,
and I'm now I resent myself for not having done that. Yeah, I'm
gonna put it on the list for consideration. It is good, but it's
not deluxe, so we'll put on there for now. It'll have a tough
time making it. What do we do about the last of us. I
don't know. I'm like, you tell me it's a very good game.
I mean, like the way I feel about it is colored by a lot
of things. I'd have very little to do with that game, to be
honest. Sure I think it'd be I think it'd be a little so it's
not consider it. It was very well done. I don't like the I
don't specifically like this thing having to become franchised and like become some giant media
property. But that hey, we've seen what happens with the Walking Dead,
right, people just love zombies, they say that. But it was very
well done it Obviously there was something to a game just taking itself that seriously,
I suppose, right, yeah, there definitely was. Yeah, I
think at people struggle to do that for a long time. Yeah, I
think it is a game that is worth recognizing as being able to bring in
a certain different kind of person who wanted their once their media to feel very
adult, and this game does scream I'm an adult, and that turns me
away a little bit. But that that's like maybe almost maybe something wrong with
me. Like I'm not saying, yeah, I'm not holding against the game.
I'm glad it's out there doing its thing. I want people who want
that to have like media serving them. They don't get a lot of those
options in video games still to this day. It's not like, oh,
here's another great alternative to the last of Us, so keeping it, Yeah,
exactly, I'm willing to like put it on the for consideration one.
Yeah, let's do that. Okay, let's do that. Let's see.
Uh, which which tun came out in twenty thirteen would have probably just been
tom Rader, right, yeah, just tom Rader, right, just the
one called tomb Raider. Yep, that one did come out this year.
I did like that, I think a lot more my love is for its
sequel. Yeah, me too. I like Rise right and uh, I
think tom Rader also takes this out very seriously, so a little too much
for what Tom Rader is. I think, I mean, Ryce takes itself
pretty seriously too. But I felt like it worked a little bit better there.
I don't know. I did like this game. I don't know ifre's
anything super like special about it right now? I agree, I think that's
right. God, did you like Taraway? I never played ter Away,
and I always regretted that, but I know people really talked that one up.
I liked it. I maybe don't like it clays a bunch of some
people, to be honest, but I definitely did enjoy playing that a lot
when it was on Vita, especially on Vita because it was using all the
bullshit on there at the camera and the back touch pad and all that fun
stuff. It worked for me. It was good stuff. All right.
Let's see here, Luigi just mentioned Dark Moon No thank You Legends. Ooh,
that's a good one. That's actually, that's actually a really good game.
It's better than Origins, right, I think so, I think so,
Yeah, they're both really good. They are really good. Yeah,
but it's better than Origins. It's different. It's different in all the right
ways from Mario where it has the floatingess to the jump, so it makes
up for it with a lot more animation that makes the floating us look right,
and it feels a really good and that enables you to not be not
necessarily a precision platformer unless you unless you aren't, lets you want to play
it that way, and you still can. You could do these really precise
jumps still, and then it's so detailed in HD and they have the camera
pulled back, that it worked really well as a four player game in a
way that the Mario games, the Mario two D Mario games never actually really
figured out until Wonder and that's old God. I guess that only works an
online still to this day because the camera doesn't know who to follow. So
really, yeah, better than Mario ever has Raymond legends very very good.
Do you think the Pokemon freaks are going to try to suggest X and Y
or do you think they feel shamed? Sometimes? Well, they're completely shameless,
we know that. I do think that. I think they're also a
bit stated, right that we gave them one last time, right, not
last time? Well, we gave them one couple of times ago. We
gave them one. They got their one exactly, then they made a good
one. We put it on here, no joking, like have you Papers
Please? Are Gone Home? A deep shame that I haven't played either.
I should play Gone Home because of how much I love fraternity over Den.
I'm sure Papers Please? Yeah, I played Papers Please, and I did
like it. I don't know if I quite got it or played enough of
it to really feel what other people are feeling. Something I would actually like
to revisit someday. To be honest, grant that Botto five f came out
this year. Yeah, I do so I want to beaten to be honest,
I remember, yeah, yeah, I mean, we do this every
time, but we're just we're not huge Grand Theft Auto people. I respect
it. I well, in some ways, I admire how much work and
artistics, you know, artists and all that stuff that has to go into
making a Grand Theft Auto. There is something to be said for just making
the biggest game and having it all work and be fun. But there,
you know, there is also something about Grandft Auto I don't need to explain
that could sometimes be off putting and weird. Yeah, and it's Grand Theft
Auto was always a mess around game for me, but that started Grand Theft
Auto three, and that's what I always come these games for. And it's
like, by the time Grand Theft Auto five was on the scene, there
were other open world games where it was easier to mess around and have one.
Now, there's still something to be said for messing around Grand Theft Auto
where it's like the world is still mostly pretty grounded. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it's Grand Theft Auto and it's absurdist in a lot of ways,
but it's not Saints and it's not just Cause, so like the like when
you do really make things go crazy and you're causing explosions and things are flying
through the air, it has more of an impact. And yet I think
I probably still had fun more fun with just Cause in Saints Row for at
this point. So yeah, saying that, though I don't necessarily know if
I'm going to try to get Santsro four in there. I love I got
Saints Or of the Third in there right last time, so a couple times
before. I'm not going to try to get Sansoro four in here, although
I really do enjoy Santsro four quite a bit. That's the one that has
the great storytelling of these these legacy characters meeting like growing up and then traveling
in time in such a way where they are like the other in a digital
world and they meet the younger versions of themselves from like Santsro one and two
and like having to have the like realize how they used to be really shitty
people and stuff like that, and the writing was really good. I recommend
playing it especially I never really played Centtro one and two, and I still
got a lot out of that. But yeah, uh oh shit, oh
god, KiB we almost forgot this number one. We almost forgot the number
one. Jeff fucking Knack. Oh my Nack files are out there. Let's
go. This is the p S four and Xbox one launch. Here.
Here's god Man all right, so that means rise as well, Rise Son
of Rome. Let's go. We got to do a next series play through.
Yeah, we really should, like what's wrong with us? God?
I wish they would put that on on on Steam. They won't. It's
probably not worth it. But remember remote play, it would work way better
than that PlayStation remote place. So we should just get together and play that
game in person. Yeah. Remember remember how bad freaking what the sack boy
sold one? We never knew worst if we got Nack on there, But
I would I would buy it. I would. I would even accept the
code. I would sp I would spend my own money on that. Right,
Maybe are on a point where should start seeing what the community suggests.
Yeah, that feels right, feels real? Let me uh bounce? So
you know, I think I have it set up there? We go?
Yeah, it's already set up there? We go? Okay, uh bench
JC says it Zelda a link between worlds correctly, Thank you, ben Oh.
Tommy Pencil says DMC Devil May Cry. I really like this game.
I saw that on there. It was I was so confused when for a
while people acted like this was like one of the worst games ever because they
change the characterization sounds. I don't know. I mean, DMC fans are
just wild and out there. They're just they're just crazy. And if you
still hate this game, whatever, I think it's fantastic. It's really I
don't know if I like, I love it that much and I'm going to
put on a top five, but yeah, it's good. I remember hting,
I remember hating Dante on the older games, and this Dante like then
they brought like this Dante's like knows what's going on. The older Dante was
just yeah, he's a clown kind of he's a clown people clown fuckers,
So you know they like that. God, we're surrounded by clown fuckers.
That's when he's dancing like Michael Jackson. Also for New reasons. That's so
wacky, like a little bit of that energy sometimes and that's like sure,
yeah, sometimes I go with it. Our tunaway. Yeah, I'd like
that you keep going to that character voice tonight, Mike. It's we're getting
a lot of biology out of that. Oh, these guys, they don't
know who's doing there. It's very twenty thirteen. I guess, yeah,
I guess so. Cranch's MC basketball says Grand Theft Auto five, Dean Bulling
says Raymond Legends. I said Raymond Raymond Legends. Nick Turbo says Super Mario
three D World, so far, so good. Joy Z says Kentucky Rod
Zero. I played the first I couldn't get into it, like you played
all this. This was one of our first game club games. This was
not for me. Yeah, yeah, it was a long Yeah, it
wasn't for me either. I think that's when I realized how long long it
was. It's like, oh, I have to bounce out of this.
It's just not much. Look, I mean, obviously there's a market for
end there's a I totally see, you know a place for these kind of
games that are very light on the actual gameplay elements. There's something we said
about mildly interactive stories. That's fine, just not really my thing. This
is what I need to go back to etn the Goba Girl, which is
a great name. But Goba Girl says New super Ma Luigi You, which
is like that hard mode version of New Super Mario Brothers You that has one
hundred second timer. Listen. I did not like it at the time.
This is why I need to go back to it. I remember disliking this
and be like, why the timers like one of the dumbest things about Super
Mario Brothers. Now at the end of the year twenty thirteen, why would
you make a game based on a one hundred second timer? This sucks?
But I wonder, for like, now that we have Mario say, don't
have the timer anymore, if I can go back and appreciate this really weird,
annoying version of the game. I played it when the Switch version came
out. I don't know, it didn't necessarily feel all that different to me.
It still just felt like enough time. It was just like I was
playing I think Super Mario Brothers You. I don't know, no fair enough?
Did it change it up that much? Terryoaky Blues says, papers please
there it is. Lobotron says Company of Heroes Too. I wish I had
time for a company of Heroes Lifestyle. I know people really really love that
ARTI third one is that coming out this year, that come out last year,
that came out last year. Yeah, yep, and it did kind
of come and go. It did kind of come and go. Pseudo Garudo
says The Stanley Parable. I like that game. Oh, I do like
that game. That is a very twenty thirteen game to me. Yeah,
you know, I you know, Voidberger did that video about The Stanley Parable
director's cut that made me realize, oh, it is a completely different game,
and I should go and play that because I really enjoyed The Stanley Parable.
Yeah, I would even put I'd even consider it. I don't know
if you feel that strong about but I like the Steely I'm talking with that.
Yeah, let's give it a shot, all right, Let mean just
do that real quick. Where did I put that Stanley Terrible Terrible pa BioShock
Infinite that's from two time champ beef Hammer Jamie h Christmas Eve says Guacamelee.
Mike, I've never played Guacamele. Guacamele is very good. It was kind
of it was kind of in this spot when we were right before that resurgence
of that we would get with. It was in the gully, yeah,
right right before we had basically Orion Hollow Night come outs. And I think
it's sequels probably been a lot of ways. It's bigger. The co op
is fun. Guangamele is a very fun play through. I do like it
a lot. I don't know if it's quite gonna be top five stuff for
me, but it was a cool game. Low Rules, says Pickman three.
Alex at Gogo says Metro Last Light gah Man, Metro Lastly is that
the last one? I don't know. I thought there was a Metro game
on the list last year and I was like, I never played one of
these. Yeah, maybe maybe we're getting the releases mixed up a little bit.
Klaus, you know there was a Metro traf for this. There had
to be. Klaus Rainer says Anti Chamber. That's a good one. Yeah,
Metro Exodus is three, thank you. Anti Chamber is one of those
non Euclidean geometry sort of you know, you look at something, oh yeah,
and this is a very good one of those. It is, you
know, simple if I felt like pretty sparse, but I did remember really
enjoying this casual says Pigment three. Uh Technical five says metal Gear Rising Revengeance.
WHOA, yes, I'm looking that's twenty thirteen. Oh god, oh
yes, absolutely that game rules and it somehow has aged incredibly well. Like
I played it again, I think last year, a couple of years ago
because of the game Club again, but I played it back then even It
is just so much fun, just such a delightful, fast paced play through.
The cutting is great, boss music, all the boss songs, incredible
soundtrack, fantastic is platinum at the higher their powers. I just finished playing
Vanquish last night. They were so good at this moment. Uh input name
here is his fire em Boom Awakening and has a uh picture picture a picture
of their wife who I think Hammett of Texas says Splinter Cell Blacklist. I
remember enjoying this game for what I played it, but I didn't play all
of it for sure. Uh. But the one of these splenter cells that
came out this time, maybe Conviction maybe it was. It was one of
them that was just basically a third person shooter and it had like the Dead
Eye from Red Dead Redemption, And I think that's they kept having giant like
words fasted on walls and stuff to like tell you what to do or have.
That's conviction. I think so, man, I should replay the entire
splinter Cell serious good. I wish I had all the time in the world.
I maybe want to play the first three. I don't know about well.
I want to play the Bad Ones too. Villain Max says Rogue Legacy,
not a Rogue Legacy, Guy, I know the Rogue Legacy people are
out there and are down to clown with this game. I did like Rogue
Legacy. This was I think the first time I really played something that was
a rogue Like right, it's like exactly what that franchise would be in terms
of you die a bunch and then you go, I mean as the word
rogue in the name. Even right, it was still so novel. Then
this game was really fun. It kind of gets overshadowed by other games in
the series. Heck, even its sequel feels like it got overshadowed by things
like Dead Cells. Dead Cells. Still, I did like Real g Lagacy
a lot. Matt Rare Monkey says Doda too. Man, I played Doda
two is like I don't I can say. At one point in twenty thirteen.
I go s where people were like talking about Doda to a little bit
before twenty thirteen. I don't know, because we had Big of Legends for
a while, yeah, which I mean, I'm more comfortable playing a League
of Legends. Even that's a lot. Doda two is so much. It's
a lot. I'm actually kind of shot at a game that complicated got that
popular because it's a lot. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely one of
those things where it's like it reminds you like, yeah, it's something could
be so o two and yet if there's something in there that makes people makes
it worth their while, or maybe sometimes because of how much arcane stuff there
is to learn about it. Yeah, I fucking knew one of you is
going to make that joke as soon as I said the word arcane. You
might have noticed my hesitation after I said it. This is the game that
Brad Schumacher famously says, like, you can play for a thousand hours and
that's when you'll begin to understand the game. And I'm like, oh no,
thank you. Chaos Buckerus has gone home. Alan Arkle says Middle Gear
Rising Revengeance. I don't want to talk about gone Home. Huh. I
never played Gone Home. That's the walking simular. But I know what,
I know what Gone Home is. I mean, yeah, I just never
played it. Yeah, I mean, I know it's a wonder. Can
ask me you're not a lesbian? Well, students are allowed to like that
game? But you know what, that's fair? No, do you like
Gone Home? I mentioned it earlier. The reason I inded you want to
talk about it is because I mentioned it earlier and you didn't say shit.
So I just figured we had already gone through that, all right, Doctor
Ryan says the last of us. Uh. Doctor Lynch says, Shadow Run
returns. I wish that I had played this game because it's one of those
ones I do not think you could play anymore in any way unless maybe maybe
there's like maybe there's like custom servers. It seemed like really weird and strange,
and it's one of those early games that had cross play between PC and
console, which I would have spent more time with him Octosis cul of Wres
Gunslinger in any of these games. My one print magazine review is in an
EGM that has I think the Call Wars before this on the cover. That's
my entire association with the series. Screaming Madden says Super Mario three D World,
where there is a picture of matt and pasted to Mario's face. I
like it. Show g Cotis is grand Theft Auto five, Oh shit,
Tears of the Boot of robs a Bank says flappy Bird. Jeff, We're
not putting flappy Bird on the god, but it is one of the best
five games of the year though. It's just not absolutely so good about your
weird fascination with Flappy Bird back then. I had to deal with it.
No, absolutely, it's because I'm right. That's what you have to be
polite about it. You don't embarrass yourself, Bike. You don't embarrass yourself
by talking about Flappy Bird. Absolutely not. Slain says Assassin's Creed for skulling
By was just like, yeah, that game's coming out finally, and Chance
got it. Chance got it for fantasy critics, So have one with that.
I think I counter picked it, right, I think you did.
Yeah, hosp says steam World Dig A fistful of dirt. Mister Buller says,
oh, Monaco, what's what's yours? Is? Mind? You don't
talk about steam World ticularve steam World Dig I guess you like the second one.
I like the second one. I didn't. I didn't really of the
first one all that much. But yeah, it's a It's a good game,
for sure, but another dirt game, another digging dirt game, Monica,
what's yours is? Mind? Is a heist game? And you know
who should play this? The fucking connectivity cam padres even have the colors,
right, Yeah, exactly, this is Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna have
to remind myself. I'm gonnayell at Google here. I'll meete myself in a
second and do that. Uh. Cririsis says Ryan to hell Retribution so messed
up? That game? Is that like that new? I guess like twentyo
thirteen. It looks like such an early Xbox three sixty game. Uh it's
upsetting. Yeah, I mean that's the thing that like every time we would
start talking about the combat whatever, Dan be like, yep, that was
like five years after Batman Arkham whatever. It was like three years after that.
But still it's a while. It's wild that that game is that new.
Uh. Big Tony the Final Fantasy Guy says him, and got me
ten SI four Nintendo Yacht Cube says Super Mario three D World, RT Bick
says tomb Louis fifty four sixty eight says Disney Infinity. My brother A J.
Love Disney Infinity. I like had some fue with it. I wish
that the games were like more interesting, right. They all basically play like
those lego games where there's a lot of charm, but the game itself is
so simple. It's basically like the world's simplest brawler. Right. Every character
has like a three punch combo, and then you jump around on stuff.
There's a little bit more going on in the create mode. Stuff could be
interesting. I suppose I like the idea of a Disney Toys the life thing.
I think they did a good job with it. I think it's probably
one of the better ones of that time. But I this is a bit
more exciting to actually play. I put I put a nerd Emochi here on
Louis's post for Disney Infinity. But I enjoyed Disney Infinity. I actually had
some fun with that, So it's a fine game. Oh Man Bop World
says the NCAA Football fourteen. Yeah, that was the last football game for
college football from EA until next year, right, I guess we're getting one
next year probably, so yeah. DMC depressed me crying, says the legend
was Delda win Waker HD. I want to put it on the list,
Mike, I don't think we should do H like you know remasters HD some
You know, it's the same reason why I didn't really include bet Trait Prime
Remastered on my list last year, Like it's a betray Prime. That's just
cheating. People are saying that leak to delayed. No, okay, I
just forgot. Yes, the NSAA game is coming out this year. Yeah.
Yeah, we just take a really good game and make it HD and
then put it on the list again. I think we probably put win Waker
ons are different than remakes, everybody understands. Don't come at me with that.
S WSP says, ridiculous fishing. I never played this. I did
follow a little bit of the drama around it, how it got like cloned
a bunch and it was a big bummer for the people making it, you
know. I actually I think I did play a little bit of it.
So it's a good game. Wrong Wong GIFs says, ye'es and then a
bunch of words. But I want to hear you pronounce these words. I'm
excited. I can't even it's like it's cursty like. Oh, it's his
memories, memories of cal Getta, sell SaaS right, Ketta col Ketta.
Yeah, I actually just couldn't see that memories actually Playla one. This is
the only one I beat. Actually, this was the Beatle one. It
was fun. It's a little simple, but it was satisfying enough. How
do you how do you say the name of the game, like just the
normal name of the games? He's nuts, Mike, trying to help you.
I'm sorry, you've been through enough this week. I don't know what's
wrong with me. Incredible always be clothing, slash card, he says,
middle Gear Rising revengeance, Uh do, middle Crossing says grand theft Auto five,
Bradfish says Shaven mcgomby ten say four. Uh clink says Bubbsy three d.
Bubbsy, Oh yeah, Bubbsy visits the James Turtle Retrospective. This is
bubbs three d dot com. Yeah. We gotta do this sometimes. Yeah,
but I did it on my own time. But we could do it
on the site for sure, uh warrizzle, But for people don't know,
just go to Bubs three d dot com. I think you could still play
it. I believe it still works. It's just Bubbs three d, but
a absurdist take on it that actually has you visiting James Terrell's art that's been
that's been a specific I think it might be. Yes, Yes, it's
definitely like a well known it's typicitely A well known video game designer. Warrizzle
says, uh, god bit Trip, Yeah, bitch represents runner to future
legend of Rhythm Alien. I don't know that. Oh that game with that
guy. Yeah, bit Trip, Yes, Trip was a lot of stuff
back then. I never played many of the bit Trip games. Actually,
God Bit Trip. I thought about Bit Trip in a while. Uh.
Sarahs Kane says, Dragon's Crown the game is not on switched for some reason.
Yeah, like I want to place Dragon's Crown now. I was always
a little off put by those ridiculous character designs like I'm about, but they
do look they don't look offensive, to be clear, I don't maybe they
are, but they look stupid. They look bad, They're ugly. I
like the lad these thighs. Yeah, everyone likes the size that game was.
It was definitely. Huh uh. The game looks like it plays pretty
well. Though it looks like a good game. Man, I just never
play games. I wish it would come out at least on Steam. Jesus
Uh. Vision forty nine says is alda link between worlds. Spooky Dad says
DMC depressed me or DMC Devil may Cry was to brest me crying. Coxtover
says Marvel. Puzzle Quest, Uh did you puzzle quest? Person? After
ques? The first puzzle quest? I think I made us considerate in that
year, but all the sequels has been offs, never quite hit the same
for me. Warden Quiff says if Phoenix Right as Attorney Dual Destinies, I
did like Dual Destinies. It was a kind of fun return after the previous
one, like turned turned Phoenix right into some weird I haven't know what you
call the character. It was a complete character change, and you know it's
not so much that he wasn't the main character whatever, but I was glad
to like do the thing where it's like, okay, now him and Apollo
are the main characters. Then we have this new character Athena psychs that I
like, like it didn't disown the previous game, but it still brought back
enough from the other games that was neat and worked for me. I think
the sequel, Spirit of Justice is maybe even better. But Dual Destinies had
some very good cases that I still remember. I do like it a lot.
Maybe not top five stuff, maybe not like one of the best Ace
Attorney games, but I had a good time with it. Testing nine nine,
says Europa Univeralis of four four at Versallas. Excuse me, universalis this
is a grand strategy for X. I think it's like, I think it
still has a lot of four X stuff, but then there's a lot more
continuation of lineage and stuff that's paradox always does. Just look at this picture.
This is just nothing but colonization. Huh. That's like, yeah,
I mean colonization the game. I mean that's it's deep in our bones as
Europeans. Lenny Cool Dick Denver says Fire and Bloom Awakening Lenny Cool, Dick
Denver. I saw your name on Giant Bomb, Lenny Cool d Yeah,
I saw. I was like, does he try to be like polite on
Giant Bomb or is like that with the data is on there? Yeah?
To do me uh. Willow davis Is says Animal Crossing, New Leaf.
I Mike, if I could get away with it, I would want to
consider this. Do you think there's a chance I can get this in the
top five? And it was a good year for the three ds? Ah,
there, maybe there's a lot of very good three DS games were already
getting Yeah, yeah, definitely this. I think this is probably still my
favorite Animal Crossing. It's really really good. But yeah, this is undisputed
best year for the three D though, my god, absolutely game Cube Chris
says Ducktails Remastered. You know, I never actually like played that much of
this version of the Kid, I know, Fuck me. I do you
know how it's mostly considered? Is it like mostly because there's susial was a
mildly muted when it came out. I forget why, But I don't know,
actually not sure. I bet people. I think people like it.
I think a lot of people are like, oh, I'm going to play
the original now again. But it was fun to play through this once.
Uh, speaking of things people like, Weisman says Army of Tool the Devil's
Cartel, got it, man, I say Army of Tool. I said
Army of two But I can't speak anymore. Army of Two the Devil's Cartel.
Sometimes I really do forget that there was a period where EA was making
fucking Army of Two, Like this is the kind of game that got put
out. I can't believe they made two of them. Yeah, I could
see how you made one. Same thing was like Kitten Lynch Okay, yeah,
of course you made one, Caden Lynz, right, But you're committed
to this, like you feel like you have to do it. Do you
lose a bet? Are you insane? Are you insane? Maylind Mario fan
says Super Mario three D World Turbo Shawn Ooh says Killer Instinct twenty thirteen.
And I did finally get to play that when it just got kind of I
don't know, got updated finally, so got updated. Yeah it is.
It is really spiffy. I like that quite a lot. It's super fun.
Excuse me. And then he also mentions Middle Gear Rising Revengeance, and
then Christian first person mentioning this surprisingly Brothers a tale of two sons? Do
you have any love for Brothers? I tried it and I didn't. It
didn't immediately hit me, so I kind of put it down. I played
through it, I liked it. I don't have any super strong feelings about
it, all right, I think that yeah, that does it. Let's
get back over the list. Sorry, I believe that game is getting re
released this year, so I might try to get yeah happening so right,
so it'll get another chance and I will probably try it again, all right.
That leaves just with a Zelda Link Between Worlds, Fire Bloam Awakening,
Super Mario three D World Assess It's created, four Black Flag, Pickman three,
The Last of Us, ray Man Legends, Grand Theft, Auto five,
Neck Stanley Parable, Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. You know, you know
me, I love to love to play to the drama. But let's should
we just put Zelda Link between Worlds up there at number one? Yeah?
I think Zelda's number one. It's so freaking good. I mean you could
ask me on like yeah, probably like two three days out of any week
you asked me like, actually, what's the game? I think it's the
most fun to play. I might say Zelda Link between Worlds. I think
number two is either Firemoom Awakening or Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. Yeah. I
would put fire Boom Awakening, but but I'm fine with that going to to
three, just because I like, I never finished Revengeance and I have not
played it again recently. I did put on my Steam deck, and I
always think, man, that's what I should boot up next. You do
seem to love it. If you want to put it too, I'm fine
with that. Well, we'll put that one at two. I think in
some ways it's age better than maybe Awakening has. So they don't have set
and Awakening, we're still we can still pretend to be mad about that or
something. Yeah, well, you know, the FEAT technology wasn't there yet,
all right? If everyone waking at three then leaves us two spots for
Mario, Black Flag, Pigman, Last of Us, Raymond Legends Granted Fatal
five, Knack, and Stanley Parable. This is I feel like I don't
normally feel this way about game we don't really care about, like Aggress of
the Five I don't want to put on here. I feel weird not including
Last of Us, even though I know it's not necessarily the most US game
ever. I would feel kind of weird. And again I don't really hold
anything against it, not really. Yeah, it's obviously very good. It's
obviously very important. I just it would ring all though, to release the
twenty thirteen list that doesn't have it. We can put it at five,
but just put it five then, yeah, all right, I think it's
gotta be on there, all right, just remind people we didn't forget about
it. Uh, and then here are four better games. Okay? Well
then of course, all right, there we go. Oh God, that
would solve their problems that everyone would get that. God, this is tough.
I'm gonna say not. Pickment three Deluxe is significantly better. In my
opinion, it's significantly I kind of the same thing with three D World.
I just think that the I'm okay with that better. So I like Black
Flag is fine. Rayman Legends would be fine for me. Those are the
two that that's my gut as well as those two. I think my gut
says black Flag actually, but I really love Rayman Legends. Yeah. I
think I probably like Black Flag more than I like ray Man Legends though.
Put it at four. Yeah, that four. I don't know chat I
think or something we're really missed here for the league. I got kind of
open to suggestions for number. I don't feel incredible about any of these,
but I think that's I'm like, I'm asking Cheff for suggestions. I mean,
we've already got some. Well, maybe I should reach supertests right now,
real quick. Then maybe there were some yeah, sure, sure,
And then Benji does keep yelling me about NCAA fourteen. Listen, sure,
no, I get it. Denard Robinson is on the cover. Yes,
absolutely, And there aren't any real suggestions tuper tests. We just read we
come back from the Break, all right, Yeah, I'll GTA five.
I know. Hey, look, look already got any points? The Last
of Us already I'm locking it in. Yeah, we get it. Here's
our list, Everybody, number five, The Last of Us, number four,
Assassin's Creed four, Black Flag, number three, Fire Elmboom, Awakening
number two, Medal, Gear Rising, Revengeance number one, Zelda Link Between
Worlds. Those are the best five games of twenty thirteen. Like I know,
a lot of times I'm like, yeah, that's the list in this
year. I don't feel that way. But also what I feel that way
about like number one through three for sure, two and three absolutely yeah,
yeah, I think, uh yeah, that's just kind of where we are
on this one. And I'm I'm fine, with black food on there.
You know what it is. It's the last of us throwing it off because
we're like, we're you don't like the last of us? Yeah, yeah,
I'm fine with it. It's just that's why. That's why when we
look at the list, are like, what's wrong with this? I got
something's wrong? Something's wrong here? All right? Let me uh, let
me tweet that. So we get yelled at and then uh, you know
what, why I do that? Why don't we take a quick break when
we get back, we'll do some more super chats. We'll talk about our
games that we've been playing all that. Talk to you right after this and
we're back. Yeah, thanks everybody for sticking with U. We're gonna talk
about what we've been playing here in a second. But I think there's a
handful of super chats, Mike, why don't we do those first? Yeh,
yap, we got that. We've got the game and that's Hall of
Fame. Oh yeah, that's right. We'll get to that too. I'm
going to get that ready to go here after this. Wello, Dave,
says Mike, who gets cube before? When you die? You know,
I actually do need to make a will and stuff. Right, I'm old
enough. Now I'm gonna just fair. I mean, I'm just going to
everything's gonna get split between the two brothers. I guess I'll let them figure
it out. Whatever. Yeah, they could pass it on to kids they
actually care, they'll know better about At that point, you'll get nothing.
So don't you know anything? Please, I don't want to. You're trash.
Are're kidding me? Brita says Jeff. For how many more combat episodes
does Mike have to be stuck in level two for before he's allowed to tinker
the setting? So I should get a break, somebody should do something.
Well, No, I am not going to tinker the seting. Yeah,
no, Mike doesn't again like that the pride I was talking about, that's
a real thing with mikey guys like That's that's why it's like so different between
like when Dan's and Mike's playing. That's why I'm like, I'm hesitant with
when Dan asks for help. Yeah, we're just gonna do it. When
Mike starts asking for help, I'm like, Okay, is this the right
time? Is it? Should we be doing it? It's also because it's
funny, yes, but I'm balancing these factors here and it's yeah, at
a certain point I couldn't help myself anymore. There is apparently like an unlimited
lives sheet that I think everybody who beats the game, actually, yes,
that is that. When people talk about beating the game, it's like,
oh, it's because they did that. Yeah. Next is Aramis Barramus says,
don't know if it'll get match if by someone else. But Rue Factory
four was the first time I phone in love with a farming slash like Zim.
The game's gameplay loop is the best in the genre for me. I
always did mean to play this game, Jeff not. It never got around
to it though. Sorry, I was getting the Hall of Fame setup.
What was the game Run Factory four? Yeah, I I Once I started
to getting into Starding Valley, I did start looking around some of these other
games that would be like, okay, how could I broad in my horizons
a little bit? And people would mention Run Factory and Rue Factory four specifically.
I've never given it a shot. Not really. It had like a
bad port here there. I think maybe on the three DS, wasn't there
like uh was on switch at some point it was the Switch game that was
it was weird. Yeah, Wolf says Mike forst Bedeger Solid two g T
A four DT five with the list, Jeff is too afraid to stop him.
We need to get rid of this opposer. I think I'm completely fine
with all of that. I'm sorry, sorry to let you down, he
says. I was yelling at Mike in Blake club chat. I have since
played Mortal Kombat mythologies. I am sorry. Yeah, you really don't like
you don't understand. He looks miserable, right, but you really you never
understand to be fair, don't apologize to Mike because he doesn't. He also
doesn't understand when he's yelling at me when I'm paying these games, You're like,
why don't you just do this? Well, I want to try to
help you, but I get very energetic and sort of antagonistic in my hoping.
Yes, but everyone. The truth is everyone gets that way until they
are in the ship, and then once you're playing these things, it's like,
oh my god. All right, that does it for the super chats.
That is it for now. There's still some time after the show,
but if you want to send a super chat, we will read them before
the very end of the show. We promised, thank you so much,
that is going to bring us to our smatt monkey super chat. Let me
see her now. Thank you for the heads up. Oh yeah, I
did just I skipped a couple of these. A few of these. Oh
my goodness, Jeff, let's go back to super chat. But all right,
and we're going back into the super chests. He skipped a few,
he says, Let's find out how many, right now. Zoomer says,
BioShock shows you on the PS three. I bought pre owned to twenty fourteen
was my true intro to emorated games. I was also old enough to buy
them on my own. Was the first rated game. I bet. I
bet that hit hard. Actually, it was like, you know, they
were called emerated games. We were getting a first game you played like though,
this is kind of like a game for adults and playing it like I
mean Doom Mortal, right, I mean Doom was diffinitely like kind of still
before. I don't think that was ESR bad. Back then, all the
games, even the games that were mature, were still four kids. Really.
Oh sure, yeah, good point. Yeah, Reservoir Duck says,
remember that. Uh yah, Oh my god, that was about that time.
Huh man, God, we were so hyped for the OUA. At
least I was, yeah, well yeah you My younger brother had that thing.
He was ready to go. Matt Rare Monkey says DODA two is the
worst game, but Risk of Rain was twenty thirteen. I never played Risk
of Rain. How about you play well? Risk of Rain played a lot
more. Risk of Rain two. I was like when a two D game
goes as three D for its sequel, So I checked out Risk Rain two
Risk Rain. I know people really like absolutely, So you skip three huh
Mike, Yeah, it's quite a few of them. Sorry, everybody,
thanks for letting me know. Chat but yes, we are caught up now.
But yeah, if you send more I will read them and not forget
or skip over them by accident. We'll see, all right. The poll
for the game mess Hall of Fame has ended about an hour ago, so
we have the results. Let's talk about the nominees first. Yes, let's
set let's exactly, yes, let's set things up. Let's set the table
here. We do a game mess Hall of Fame every once in a while.
It's it's not like a normal thing, and not a regular thing every
once in a while, when the mood strikes, we will nominate two games.
We by we, I mean me and Mike. We each nominate two
games, and these days we do it in a specific sort of category or
a specific sort of thing, so we can kind of narrate together and make
the games relatively similar. This time it was PlayStation two games. Me and
Mike both picked two. I picked Shadow of the Colossus and Tony Ook's pro
Skater three. Mike, what did you choose? I chose Metal gar Solid
three, Steak Eater or Subsistence and Don't be shot Keenomarts two. We have
the results. The way it works is, after being Mike picked the two,
we put all four up for induction into the Hall of Fame. It's
out of our hands at that point. Then it comes up to the podcast
producers who are that's the jury, that's who actually gets to vote here,
and they all get one vote. Two are going to make it in the
top two vote getters will make it into the Hall of Fame. But you
can only vote for one, so it's you don't get to say, like,
oh, maybe I get but both of these in there. Maybe I
could be cute, like no, just pick the one you think is the
most worthy, and here are the result. Coming in fourth place won't make
it into the Hall of Fame with fifteen percent of the vote. Kingdom Hearts
two. Shit, well, you know, no kind of for taste.
Hey. I used to like almost kind of apologize for that game, and
then I played it again for you know, my December charity run, and
I had so much fun. I love that game. I think it's so
impressive, does so much with the places you do. It's a late PS
two game, just a ton of fun. The combat still feels great to
me. There's a lot going on there. It's good stuff. Yeah,
and that's the one I never played, so no comment for me. I
played Kingdom Hearts one, and that's the one I had an issue with,
coming in third place with twenty four percent of the vote. Tony Hawk's pro
Skater three. Wow, that's so we still do not have a Tony Hawks
game in the Hall of Fame. It's the children who are wrong, Mike.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I should be happy at least one
of my makes it. But this is maasically a little sack is Tony Ooks
pro Skater three. I mean that's my favorite Tony Hawks Pro Skater game.
It is so much fun, just such an incredible playthrough all the time.
It's just that right mix of like that perfect ark feel. It's not taking
itself too seriously. It's real, goofy, silly secret character's incredible levels,
fantastic sounds, it's everything. It's a perfect It's a ten out of ten.
Would highly recommend. Yeah, it's a game I still go back to
today and love and just it's so well done. Love Tony ex pro Skater.
Three. We'll get a Tony Hawks game on this list eventually, I
think, somehow, hopefully hopefully we have not like moved past the point where
we can get a Tonyawk game, so that lose can still come back sometime.
Oh yeah, for sure. Number three, I'm sorry, number to
the second place finisher that will make it into the Hall of Fame. That
does you know? That does mean obviously that now Meddle Gear, Solid three,
Snake Eater Subsistence and Shadow of the Classes have made it into the Hall
of Fame. But the number two vote getter was middle Gear Solid three Snake
Eater Subsistence with thirty percent of the vote, just barely in second because Shadow
of the Coloss has got thirty one percent of the vote, so they're kind
of neck and neck. There really good showing from both of those, but
it wasn't like, you know, twenty four percent of the vote to thirty
percent of the vote. It's not like anything that blew each other out of
the waters. I think all four of these have a chance to make it
in eventually. The two that didn't make it this time will probably get another
round down the line, and they could easily make it in depending on like
what category they're in. But yeah, that will add Shadow to the Colossus
and Metal Gear Salad three to our list. I'll get that list updated in
a minute. But any final thoughts while I'm doing that, Mike, Yeah,
I'm a little I'm a little surprised Clausus got number one over a Metal
Gear solid game. But Shallow Clausus was super fun. I still just love
that format of just kind of this you know, small open world basically just
there so you can go from boss to boss to bust in each boss is
this kind of epic puzzle, right. It's one of those games you just
never forget about. Just so many moments from that first place through I had
on PlayStation two still stick with me, and then I kind of got to
relive them when we had that remake a few years back, probably longer than
I think it was. Wow. So yeah, I love Shot of the
Classes. I have no problems with that. Melgar Solid three still my favorite
entry in this series. I think it found the perfect balance with some of
the goofy story stuff and some of the serious story stuff, and then just
really good gameplay and really good systems. I think the survival stuff they added
here worked really well for this game. I think it does a good job
of being a prequel, which can be difficult a lot of times for these
franchises, but this game nailed that. A ton of memorable moments like the
ladder you know, the Snake Eater theme song. The end boss fight was
really cool. So yes, I'm absolutely happy to see you Snake Eater make
it in there. That means here is our current Hall of Fame inductees,
starting from our first Hall of Fame nomination ceremony. Super Mario Brothers, Super
Metroid Street Fighter two, Super Mario sixty four, Mario Kart eight Deluxe,
F zero GX Undertail, Shovel Night and the Will of the wisps Uh Castlevania,
Symphony of the Night, Streets of Rage, two Sonic, The Hedgehog,
two Demon Souls Uncharted, two Knights of the Old Republic, Halo Combat
Evolved, Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear, Solid three, Snake Eater
Subsistence. What the fuck there's a Sonic game on here, and there's not
a Tony Hawk game on here. Man in Genesis Category one time, eat
shit shit all right, that's always fun. That's always a good time.
We will revisit the Hall of Fame here in probably a couple of months,
not maybe about two months. We'll come back and do another one. I
always enjoy these. There's some other stuff I want like that we've done in
the past, and we'll start bringing back as well. We'll get some of
that mixed in here out of years as we run out of years exactly,
so we'll have that stuff primed and ready to go. All right, do
we need another break? Christian? Are we good? We we got chuckle
them, Mike, Mike, what have you been playing? Hey, I've
been playing a lot of Tech in eight man eight It's so much fun.
It is never played much Tech and before and I'm really mad at myself for
that. I was just such a Sega fanboy for so long, even though
like I eventually like, yeah, I had a PlayStation. I would play
a lot of PlayStation games for partly stuff. Even for some reason like tech
In, I was was like really the object of my ire because that was
the one. I was like, well, that's just a bad virtue fighter.
Even when it became very very good with like tech and three and then
you know times from number five, like they really go, still was just
never touching. Even when I love Soul Caliber, which is you know,
similar to sister series, Love Soul Caliber, still just couldn't like look at
tech In so finally, like I've been wanting to finally get into it,
and then when they announced Teken, I'm like, okay, cool, So
when Technic comes out, I'm going to really dive in. And I was
able to review it, and I'm glad that this is the one because it
is a fantastic package. I mean, the combat feels fantastic. I think
it's familiar to tech and fans, but it's all incredibly fluid. It's deep
but kind of simple to grasp. The I like juggling in any game.
That's why I like that New Prince of Purgase so much. And the fact
that combos in this series depend on juggling that is very satisfying to me.
I think the suite of single player options is really great. Arcade Quest is
a lot of fun because that's the one that is this kind of separate story
mode. It's like this little silly like, Hey, you're just like some
guy in the arcade scene, and there's like a like an edgy antagonist who's
like, I only care about people who take ticking seriously, so he's me
basically, and I like him. So you go to different arcades and you
challenge people, but your friend is also kind of giving you little tutorials the
whole time, and it's a really good way and a fun way to learn
the game. And I'm like, with the main story mode, you can
pick who you want to play us here, so you could pick your main
and go through this whole thing with them, and by the time you're through
with it, you're gonna have a decent grasp on that character to get you
started. Yeah, I've been spending a lot of time in the arcade mode
kind of getting through some most tutorials, and yeah, I think you're right,
like learning just how we're relearning in a lot of ways, just how
fun it is to get those air juggles going, and then realizing once I
know what I'm doing, this is not just satisfying, it's really kind of
easy to do. And and the fact that the game just makes it,
Hey, I want to do this thing, make it relatively easy for me
to do it. Tech and does that Techan's in that space already. I
think there's a lot of funny enfranchises that are trying to get closer to that.
Teching itself even has its own version of the modern controls I haven't touched,
but I don't feel a need to do that. I'm like, I
understand what I need to do to get most things accomplished at this point after
spending a few hours in that arcade mode, and then I keep saying it
it has the juice. It is so juicy story juicy stripping story mode is
a lot of fun. It sometimes is almost a bit much for me,
but again, like that's me. Think it's mostly a good time. It's
mostly a very good time, and I enjoyed it. I also like that
it was actually kind of challenging that super hard. You know how Mortal Kombat
one was almost like afraid anybody was gonna Yeah, it lost its luster,
it like lost some of its nerve after the previous games. Right, this
one doesn't have that problem nearly as much. It's like I still felt like
I was actually having to play tech in uh to get through everything. Like
like one knowing a comba for each character is basically all that you need.
And you play as our people, but you play as Jin especially a lot.
You kind of get to be familiar with that specific character. Uh.
So that does feel good. And there are just a lot of characters in
this game for a three D fighter, it's a very big roster, something
like thirty six characters. You know. It's funny because it is a game
where you you really should, at least for a while, just pick one
and learn them. So you just get it's just so much. One that
began to look at everybody and kind of be like, all right, well,
which one is it going to be? And you kinda find somebody who
you think looks cool or who plays well. I'm playing as Raina, the
girl who kind of borrows Heyachi's movest from the previous games. She's kind of
this like spunky athletic brawler girl, and she's been a ton of fun to
play us. But you know, I've been experimenting with some of the other
ones, like King, who has all these like scrapple strings, which are
a lot of fun and it's all based on wrestling, So I find that
really really fun to pull off, and I would like to mess around with
him more. And I love just watching you play as a jacket. By
the way, what a what a fantastic dumb mask. I love that.
Just one of the best dumb masses in gaming history. Absolutely, He's had
this move for a long time. But it's like, you know, like
one of you mentioned, you know, you just hit a direction and you
hit one of the attack buttons, and you're gonna do a different move,
and I'm like, okay, well now it's time to okay. Oh that
works with holds too. I'm figuring out, Okay, so I start doing
that with holds, and one of the holds actually fruit for that is not
actually it's a kind of a hold the person falls underneath you. He just
falls over on a person and he's had that forever. But it looks great
here. It's still really fun. The way that the character models do sort
of get squished underneath Jack when that happens is great. Uh. And yeah
he said this big dumb oaf and if and he plays like that and you
feel powerful, but you still feel like you're able to pull off combos and
all that stuff. He's a fun, big character. I'm really enjoying myself
in that game. So well. Yeah, it's like, because he's taken,
you can't move around when you get the Yeah, he moves already's big.
He has a big rail gun that he doesn't shoot for the most of
the time, but sometimes he's just throwing it at you. He's just hitting
it just literally just like brings it over his shoulder and slams it into you
when you're on the ground. Uh. And then sometimes in some rounds he'll
be holding onto it and ride it and ride it into battle like not like
on top of it, like he's just holding onto it and again like a
dumb ass. I love him. He's precious to me. Now officially launch
today and there's been some issues. Yes, I've had a crash. I
think you advice having servers, yes, precious, Yes, yeah, so
you know, baby, get that a little bit time to settle, and
I'm still not exactly sure. I know teching Is had issues with help with
Netco before. I've had mostly good experiences, had a couple of rougher ones.
I changed the setting so I only get match with like the best connections
possible, and that seemed to actually help, so I think that is going
to be fine. We didn't have fun and like the kind of lobby thing
they had too, because we were all just able to hang out there together
and challenge each other and it was actually that was really fun hangout game and
I'm in Argentina and I play against you and it was somewhat playable, which
is like it's a good that's a good sign. But still it's not like
the best rollback we had. That is, yes, yeah, because the
problem is like, oh well, now we tasted the sweet sweet rollback,
and now we kind of measure every other robot to that rollback. So it's
okay, it's functionable, which is way better from taking seven. That was
was it was unplayable online, at least for me on my rich on.
So that's that's a good that's a good point. Yeah, And I've been
off just kind of like the Character Quest or whatever where it's like a ord
arcade mode just five matches, but you get like a little bit of story
for the care at the beginning that the end, you get the seed like
the ending, the cut scene ending, and those are still been really fun
and they've been silly. I think those are going to be fun for everybody
to look at. We gotta you think that you guys are gonna rank the
new Teken endings. Yeah, well yes, absolutely, I think back of
our is keen to do that, so we'll we'll make that happen again.
Those kinds of upfs are fun too, so absolutely we'll find a way to
do that. Maybe I should play through all those and record all those so
we could just have them ready to go, uh because that might be easiest
because the last game, teke At seven did have the gallery mode that had
them all. I bet these are all in a gallery mode for this game.
It just was nice to have one place. Yes, the gallary about
they can get like past games one right right, Well, you know that
that's why we still have Tech and seven out there to do that if we
need that. Yeah, anything else about techna I think we're going to be
talking about this for the next few weeks, especially because we're like, once
it is online and we can make that happen, it'll be better to come
back and talk once we know it's gonna start working and work consistently. But
yeah, I'm excited to play online a lot. I'm excited to do at
least a little ladder climbing and see what I can do there. During Dale
nine test thing we did, I play against the Maximilian and I got a
run of him and Mike couldn't even got one round of him. So,
oh, yeah, you're so happy you got one round on him. Whatever.
He wanted a rematch with me because I didn't have Argentina next year.
He's like, he had me as a friend. He had me as a
friend. He was like, yeah, good friend. I think he liked
that I dressed Raina up to look like Ashley Graham from Residy before. Okay,
I've also been playing Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth. That game is really
really good. Uh. When it is, it's opening up more for me.
Now, it does take a long time to do that. If that
scares you a way, okay, that's fine. Don't play the game.
But I think if you do give it time and give it a chance,
you're probably going to get into it. The thing that hits through this series
always has, but more so now than it is straight up a turn based
RPG. It makes you know, a game reminds me of Stick of Truth.
It reminds me of a south Park Stick of Truth, where it's like,
oh, these people are imagining themselves being in one of these RPGs.
Uh, And this game does that. But it's even that the mundanity is
even more apparent because it's not South Park. It's like, actually, like
some of the new characters you get on your squad just look like normal dudes.
They just look like really normal people. And and then having them do
these things where it's like I'm gonna do my magical electricity attack and he pulls
out a car battery and shocks you with it. I I it rules,
I find I find it. I have a deep affection for it is what
it is. And then there's just so much game there. There's it's so
there's so much to do, and the combat system isn't just like oh it's
cute, because they're to have these imagine imaginations and stuff like that. No,
the combat system itself is deep and fun and rewarding. I always I
never am upset when I'm in a fight. It's just really well done.
It's the biggest game they've done so far. It feels like it definitely feels
massive as you're starting up, starting it up, and like, here's a
system, here's the system, here's the system. Jan showed me the job
system today, and that looks great. You know, I love the jobs.
I didn't get far. I'll get to the job system. If I
had known, maybe I would have stuck around more. I was liking that
game. I just kind of got distracted and it was you know, it
was long. It was like it was a slow pace. So it was
kind of easy to be like, well, this is the one I can't
play right now, right man, I want to hold off on this because
I know Persona three is real close. I know that's already the big long
Jeripeg from Sega. I'm gonna be playing. But gosh, that GB plays,
you guys did. This game looks like so much fun. I mean,
you spent so much time just doing the animal crossing thing, and there's
so much to that. Then the combat looks like again, a ton of
fun the jobs. Any I love that the jobs are silly things like surfer
or whatever, like you know, the Hawaiian dance girl and may Can' or
whatever it was. God, yeah, I really like I do want to
get I really want to get to this one. I imagine it won't hurt
me that much that I haven't played the other ones. Maybe I should like
see a recap of at least the last one, I imagine. I don't
know. Yeah, I mean it won't. It will definitely help to see
a recap. Yeah, but I haven't I played it. I played a
bit of a seven, quite a bit of seven. I understand the set
up there, and then once they started I started up this game and they
sort of explain what happened, like, oh, okay, so that's the
arc there. And things really did start in one place in seven and end
in a very different place where these characters are different people, and that's that's
cool. So we're continuing that, and oh there's still a lot of growth
left there, or there's a lot of challenges of them being in this new
world that they've created and for them to like start that and you start in
Yokohama, like if The game starts in Yokohama for the first several hours,
and it's like I at a certain point forgot I was gonna end up going
to Hawaii and that, and I'm like, okay, and now we're in
Hawaii, and now things feel very different, and there's all these chances to
uh, for these characters to renew themselves, and yet here's how once again
they're falling into these traps and things like that. It's it's a great setup,
and then Hawaii is really beautiful and cool. It's it's it's a good
game that I think people are I think this is gonna be the one that
hits for a lot of people. I think it is gonna come down to,
Yeah, the pacing might feel a little off, but everything you're seeing
does feel like it's leading up to something. And then that combat is so
much fun. It's very easy to stick with it, you know. And
Dan don't mind the story heavy pacing, and I think that's a very good
point. I think I think most people are going to be just fine,
exactly stuck with it. Chization is great, it's just done while it's entertaining.
It's it's a lot of eight when the story stuff is entertaining. That's
great, yep. Absolutely, And and then you know these they speaking of
like dumb asses like jacka, this is just a game of nothing but jackasses,
nothing but idiots. Yeah, and that's great, just yes, lovable
dummies. And they really, they really really are lovable. So I think
I a big part of it as well. Yeah, I'm very interested to
hear more people get their hands on this one and see what they think of
it. But but yeah, and that's another one we'll probably be talking about
for the next weeks. The quality of releases in this January has actually been
nuts, Like it's been wild. Ampers of Persia. Those are three games
that are absolutely just going to be like Game of the Year contenders right now.
It's a silly thing to say, but they absolutely are. They are
well I mean I'm assuming track it. I don't know, but you know,
like, god, it's so good again, it makes everything else happening
the industry just all the weirder. But you know, it's so okay to
enjoy the good games. Yep. I mean it's like and then you know
we still have like Power World popping off, and it's like it's huge.
Yeah, it's like maybe it's not a nice talk about that weird the weird
Pokemon Company statement on that, Yeah, I like that part where that the
end they're like, our mission is to bring happiness to the world through Pokeyman's
Yeah like that. I was like, oh okay, Yeah, that was
definitely a message of like, leave us alone, nerds. We know it
came out shut the fuck up. Yeah, have a weird message. All
right, Mike, did we get any more super chats? He did,
Sir? I think we did. Yes. From a big fresh Air seven
says, is there any ip and media that couldn't work potentially to make for
a great RPG or tactics game? I submit The answer is no, Hello
Monday Night Football. But I'm like, I don't know. You get John
Madden out there, Yeah, it'd be pretty good. Now we'll try to
think of one big fresh We'll come up with an answer for you. Grog
says you finally did a Hall of Fame. Not what we'll like complain about.
I believe in you, l Greg, You'll find something. Yeah there
you God be like somebody in evily in the comments are going to blame us
for what's happening at Xbox because once said that we think maybe them acquiring a
Keba would be better than Activision Bizzard being on its own. Yep, doing
that chorus. I'm sure Hello everybody, Hello, yeah, all right,
thank you Mike for those super chests, Thank you everybody for who sent those
in. Thank everybody for watching Mike. You ready to get out of here?
Yeah? Yeah, I yeah, I'm gonna play some second. I
hit the button. Let's figure it out. Then, Mike, where can
people find you on the internet? Anything you want to tell people to go
watch? Where where can they find your mixologies? Yeah? Well you go
watch michroologies. It really was. It was something this week. Uh,
but Gameless Game Club's got a new pull up for our next game. It's
between Parasite, Eve pac Man World Repack and a third the third one.
No, it wasn't Running two and it wasn't Psychonauts. I said no to
that. It was either hang on, I'll just I'm gonna I'll look at
our messages, hang out. I can just look at the Game club and
see what it is. What am I doing here? It's uh a ghostrict
that's right there. It is all right, But that that's gonna be a
shorter poll. Because pac Man is on sale for only a few days.
We're gonna that Pole is gonna end like later on Saturday, so both sooner
than later, everybody, And then we'll do we'll figure out what we're gonna
do our banks discussion. I did beat that. We'll do that sometime next
week. Al right, Uh, the Giant Bomb tomorrow, everybody tune in.
We'll'll try to play tech and we'll see, you know, at the
very least. Well, I guess what we could do is we could set
up a par SEC and just all go in there. And I think so
too. I think so too. But maybe story I mean, the worst
case, just have somebody play solo and lock endings. That'll be fun too.
Yeah. We want to play against everybody though, so yeah yeah,
but you know you'll lose a lot and look bad. Yeah, I know,
but that's normal on giant bomb dot com. All right, Uh,
there will be a BCR as well tomorrow. I'm gonna have to skip out
on that. I was originally gonna be on there. We were gonna talk
about like a Dragon. I think we're still gonna talk about like a Dragon,
but I'm not gonna be able to because I got a kid's appointment,
and I forgot to stun everybody. Yeah, hey, you're telling me,
wait what? Yeah, I have that news news to everybody, including myself.
Uh but yeah, I told you today. He'll probably find a replacement
make that work, but still tune in for that BCRs. I have a
lot of fun on those episodes where we can share more time talk about games.
So listen to that. Thanks for listen everybody. Until next time,
I have a good one. Take care of yourself and goodbye, Ko Korea.
I'm backsh your way out of this podcast. The worst Korean back dashing
aren't on that because of me falling. But yeah, don't you think Korean
fact dashing is like maybe, like should we less than twenty for not listen
to like you, I'm telling you you got to what? Hi? I
know that's exactly I like going for the hard one right away. Yeah,
it's not all talk for real. Wanted to show my dicken asshole. I'm
such a stupid asshole. Yeah, break all right, jump back in or
yeah we'll just go right back into it. Yep, that works for me.
Just one second, all right, hang on, give me color.
I thought I heard a gimmick. Give me color self gimmick. Yeah,
man, weird, Okay, Yeah, I'm good. Let's bring it back
in break break break break break, break, break, break break. I've
never heard you guys less enthusiastic. This is this is a crime. This
is an actual crime. Point down the list, not three D World,
Jeff, If I push for uh, if I put if I push for
Brothers, what do what do you put it there? Would it be?
Did I have any chance? I just I you know, I didn't play
enough of it and I just didn't fall in love with it, so it
would have had a tough shot, because Shawn's right, like if I was
going to put another game up there, Super Mario three D World. But
I do like remember from the beginning, Mike had like his reservations about that
you gotta pick your bows. This is why I also said mgr because I
knew there's no way you guys are putting Killer Instinct on the list, right
Yeah, man, I do like killer Instinct, but I just it's not
one that's going to get on the list. Someone pointed out that you keep
her for attacking eight is juice as being like killer Instinct, And I think
it was Eden in the discord and said, everyone knows I'm just RADI tuoying
your fighting game opinions. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, well I
don't. I don't know if you mentioned that, but I'm definitely thinking,
like, yeah, Sean mentioned that, like Killer and Stick has the juice.
Well, because when we had the Juiciest Games decides You and yes,
when Mike was out, Yeah right, absolutely, that stuck with me because
you were definitely right about that. And I'm like, that's stuck with me.
Now I'm like playing tech and and I'm like, oh, why is
this immediately popping off for me? It's okay, it's reminded, it's got
the juice, it does so yeah, yeah, definitely a ratic doing and
that that's good. Alright, So let's get this set up back on the
others. Well, we can leave it here for a second while people flying
in to yell at us. Okay, there we go, Red Wings won.
Everybody. That's nice. They're still playing really well, don't get over
here. Oh man, my wife leaves tomorrow and then it's just non stop
stuff I gotta do with the kids, not just get him to school,
doctor's appointments, and all kinds of other things. Non stop. It couldn't
have been worse timing, So it'll be good. Keep me busy. Hey,
fun speculation. How's it going. Thanks for tuning in. We're on
a break right now, everybody. We're gonna get back to the podcast here
in a second. Mm hmm. I want to play some more taken baby.
Oh Benji, I did not see that. That's awesome. We're chanting
Jared Goff at the hockey game. That's awesome. Yes, we do love
Jared Goff, love that whole team each Thank you, snack bar. I
believe in you too. I believe in the I be living the you that
believes in me. I believe just to the end of your heart. The
shovel night plushy, Yeah, yeah, that's the same one Christ actually sent
us through their PR thing. I like this. Yeah, magnetic shovel and
everything. It's oh wow. Really Yeah. You can put it on his
back or in his hand. That's awesome. Yeah yeah. I used to
have that in the background when I was streaming, and yeah, some people
pointed out, yeah, it's a nice little plushy. I like it.
Kevin is cross platform, it is, yeah, it has cross play.
It would have been creative they didn't have it. Hm, we're yelling for
our lungs cross play roll back. Well we got one and a half.
One and a half, that's pretty good. Ah, Hello, what the
fuck is that thing? Is? The God? Is a trouple? That
giant fish you talked to get stuff from the game. Yeah, I know
there's a whole bit. I forget what the bit is because I was like,
oh ship, okay, yeah, wow, that sounds like a squish
mellow. He's very nice. Man, Oh my god, that's wild and
they have a huge plushy of that thing that rules. You think it will
be a good bit for me to call every creature up from now on.
Yes? Sure, Now you got all three answers. All right, okay,
let's I think we're ready. Let's do it all right, wind up
and the podcast