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All right, Dylan Hernandez of The Times has done a terrific job of
covering this show. Hey, Otani situation, he joins us now and Dylan,
thanks for jumping on, Thank you for having me on. Okay,
Well let's just get to uh and by the way, I think you've done
a terrific job covering Otani. Uh, thank you from when had happened to
where we're at now. So let's we'll start here and go backwards. Uh.
He had the news conference yesterday, Well, he had the speech yesterday,
and to me, there are still many unanswered questions. How do you
look at it? He absolutely, I think, you know, I think
the biggest question everybody's had this whole time is Okay, so you say,
he you know your interpretors stole money from you. How did you get access
to your account? You know? Now, you know, we've talked to
kind of a number of right people involved, you know, who have worked
right. Four athletes on behalf of athletes. Usually you guys have financial managers,
you know, right, you kind of make you know, one person
that I spoke to said, hey, like, it doesn't matter how small
the amount, even if it's one hundred dollars, it ultimately has to be
cleared you know, by the account holder, right, even if it's like
one hundred dollars or something, even if it's just by cash message, Hey,
this is this good? You know now that said, I have talked
to people that have you know, uh, you know, one former athlete
told me that his uncle, you know, kind of had authority to you
know, kind of let stuff go. The problem here is kind of the
amount too though, right. It's like it's not just like you know,
five grand here, ten grand here. We're talking about millions of dollars.
And so that kind of raises the other question of okay, well, if
that guy did have somehow have access to it, even then if he's right,
you know, taking out right making you know, five hundred thousand dollars,
you know, wire transfers, how is this not getting flagged at all?
You know, So again those questions kind of didn't get answered, and
to me, you know, this is kind of what I wrote about in
the paper today is just that or it's a story that's online right now,
you know, kind of the bigger question that I think we all have from
the beginning since he came here, is like, who is this guy?
You know, we think we kind of know, you know, about him?
Right that that Otani's kind of very dedicated to baseball, and right,
that's kind of the image he's tried to protect project. And you know,
in his defense, I have not seen anything come out to the contrary.
At the same time, it's also right, his teammates don't know him at
all, Right, I mean, I think that's why they had so much
fun when right on, all the Dodger players, you know, had so
much fun when they learned and Tanny got married, because it's like, look,
you're you know, no one even knew that he was in a relationship,
right, And so I think kind of that's kind of this other question
to me at least, it's like, well, who really is this guy?
Right? Is he? Is he what he kind of projects to be,
in which case I do think the story becomes more believable then if he
really is that guy, because you know, again the image I think he's
tried to project is he's kind of this, right, he just like loves
baseball and really doesn't have, you know, many interests outside of it,
in which case you can kind of see Okay, yeah, like he you
know, he does seem like the type, right who might be absent minded
about money and things like this just kind of happened. That's an awful lot
of money, Dylan, that's an awful lot of money to be out.
Okay, let me let me let me jump in right here, because I
was. I was on the same page as both of you guys, and
I still am. Basically, it's like, how do you let that go?
How do you not understand? How do you not see that? But
then I started thinking, and I started talking to other people in just conversations
about it, and and then there are situations where you do have a business
manager, you do have an account that has power of attorney, that can
sign checks for you, can sign things for you, not usually your interpreter,
but it's usually somebody in the financial world that can sign off on things.
And then if you let somebody in really deep, then they do have
access to your passwords, they have access to do certain things for you.
Absolutely they do not your bank accounts, Yes, yes, they do,
Fred, Yes they do. Like if you're business manager, even someone at
your business manager's office, is right, will have access to Okay, you're
sign in your passwords things like that, but that's at the business manager accountant's
office, not necessarily your interpreter. But if you're close to that person,
right, and you put him as Okay, who's the next person we call?
Maybe he's included in that. If you can't reach you, we include
you. And he is so ingrained and in depth and into Otani's life in
every aspect of it that he does have all those passwords. He does have
all those things that he can do. Look, I just took over power
attorney for my dad right when my mom passed. I took it. I
can do anything for my dad without my dad even knowing. And it's his
accounts, it's everything that he does, and he wouldn't know. He doesn't
know anything about it, not saying that that's what happened. But there has
been so many people and nowadays nowadays, the sophistication of the scams. I
don't know about you guys, but I get calls every day, Yeah about
a scam. This is possibly a scam. This could be a scam,
and especially around taxes, there's always a scam going on about you owe this,
we can get you out of trouble, give you know, give us
this, or you gotta warn your kids about a website that you're going to
click on. And all of a sudden, they got everything right. So
it is definitely possible. But I'm still the part I'm still wrestling with is
that the amount of it and him to this point after it's gone on for
that period of time. If it was one transaction, okay, maybe,
but this was a series of transactions of what they said was half a million
dollars of these transactions that he never got one call, never got one notice
or letter or anything. That is the the biggest troubling part of this.
But a person that is that close to you can't have access to all of
your stuff. They really can, and without you knowing it. I mean,
just go down the list of Kareem back in the day, l way
back in the day. I mean, there's been so many artists, Billy
Joel back and there are all those guys got scammed by people that were close
to them, And it is definitely possible, but I still don't like the
fact that he didn't really address any of that and didn't answer any of those
questions in his statement. Yeah, and I'm totally with you on that,
right, the amount is kind of the thing that kind of right, and
I think at least at this point, you know, right, we don't
have all the pieces of the equation. Maybe, but at this point,
yeah, they're definitely gaps in the story still. So you know, I
mean, the federal government's looking into this in theory, you know, Dell
do the financial forensics, and you know, my guess is that due time,
you know, things will come out well, right, we'll you know,
they'll settle on something. But the question then becomes it's kind of like,
how is this going to play out? Right? What's going to be
the timing about this? You know, I mean a lot of these cases,
you know, move at a kind of a glacial pace, you know.
Personally, as as I look at the situation, I'm just kind of
wondering, Okay, does this turn into you know, because I'm kind of
thinking about like sports scandals, right, like Balco I think played out didn't
that play out over like six and a half years or something seven years,
you know, and every few months, right, we forget about it,
you know, you know, they're just playing baseball. We kind of forget
about it. All of a sudden the bombshell drops. And keep in mind
too, Balco started out as a kind of attractive field scandal. You know.
They went after Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery first. I don't think Bonds
like popped up on the ragdar there until like year two. Even the rated
him they raid it. Yeah, yeah, so you know, I you
know, so this is going to take a while, right, as much
as I think, you know, people kind of wanted like a clean resolution,
you know, I think everybody obviously involved in you know, the business
of baseball wants this guy, you know, to succeed, right because you
know, you know, especially this sport. Yeah, it's good for baseball.
You know, we had for years we talked about the sport kind of
not having a face, you know, or if the face was like Mike
Troudy, you know, kind of a low key personality. They finally got
a guy and not only you know, is he popular here, but obviously
he's globally known, you know, and then we saw you know again until
the story hit. I. You know, I really thought that that whole
trip to Korea was a huge success. You know the fact that, you
know, given all the historical problems Japan and Korea have had over the years,
the fact that now, you know, a Japanese athlete was able to
go over there and be as like warmly received as as he was, right,
I mean, he was more popular than the Korean guys over there.
You're kind of thinking, Wow, this is really kind of great for the
game, and for this to kind of happen, obviously, he's unfortunate.
I think, like again, you know, I think, you know,
major League Baseball, the Dodgers obviously, right, they want to kind of
put this stress too. But unfortunately, I think that this is going to
be one of those things that's going to play out over years. You know,
we're going to forget about it for a couple of months, and then
all of a sudden, something's going to drop, you know, and we're
going to be reminded of it all over again. But that's kind of where
we are right now. Yeah, And Dylan, you mentioned a really good
point about you know, the Dodgers don't really know him, and really who
knows him? And if you look at the Dodgers and the way they have
been as an organization even before Googenheim, but it's always been as big a
brand as the Dodgers are. Internally they've been like a family. They've been
very a close knit group guys that get along, their families get along.
I look at this team right now, and they you know, the way,
the why, and the families, and they all get together and support
each other, and they know each other's business and all those things. They
get together for dinners and they hang out together and extended families hang out together.
I just know that just from being a part of them internally and him
not really opening up and being a part of How do you think that plays
out of him not necessarily like you said, you mention, they didn't even
know he was engaged, let alone getting married. How do you think that
plays out with this team, which is a team that always tries to hang
together, and there is a close knit type of team like a family atmosphere.
Yeah, you know, so you know, it's kind of very interesting
because I think, you know, just kind of you know, and again
I speak Japanese and you know, so I kind of right, you can
kind of tell by his addiction and just how quick weighted he is. This
is a smart kid, you know. And one thing I did kind of
notice, I think, and you know, it's not like he was talking
like a ton, but he did talk more this spring in Dodgers camp than
I think he had ever spoken like an Angels camp. And I think part
of that was kind of this you know, in Japanese they kind of say,
you know, being able to read the air, right, it's kind
of like reading the room, you know. And I think he was aware
that there was talk about, hey, you know, Tommy's here, He's
dragged in all this Japanese media into the clubhouse. It's crowded now. Uh,
you know, the fact that like he doesn't talk often. How much
of the burden is that going to be on his teammates? You know.
I think the reason he spoke was actually out of consideration to his teammates.
I think because he's aware, Okay, I don't want to be like the
reason that this thing goes bad, you know. And I think if you
even kind of look at you know, the news conference yesterday, you know,
kind of like you know, like we've talked about there are questions that
are kind of unanswered here, and I think he's had you know, he
has to know that. Okay, Well, you know there I get an
include certain details. Not everybody's going to be satisfied with this explanation. I
do think what it did, though, was kind of by talking. You
know, for example, the first day of these the Freeway series, I
went to the ballpark just in case he talked, right, and had Otani
not talked yesterday, I would be going down to Anaheim today and I would
probably be going to the ballpark every single day, even though you know,
I'm not on the beat anymore, right, you know, I probably go
a few a couple of times at homestand I would be there every day pretty
much until he talked, and there would be a lot of other people that
would be kind of in the same boat. And by addressing kind of this
thing at least in the capacity that he did, it kind of okay,
you know, right, Yeah, I think it's kind of taken a bit
of a burden off that, right, or made this less of a story
kind of going forward in a way, and that okay, he's at least
addressed it once, you know, kind of going into opening day. Now
that it can be more about baseball, because Okay, while all the questions
aren't unanswered, he at least addressed it, right, And I think the
players will kind of like pick up on that, right that, Okay,
like at least he did this. You know, he kind of went out
there, and you know what, by American standards, I think he spoke
a lot yesterday, right, I mean, the you know, I think
going into this thing, I don't know about you guys, my expectation was,
Hey, you know, I'm sorry for the trouble that I've you know,
the disruption I've caused here. But unfortunately, you know, this is
an ongoing legal proceeding and this I can't really comment at the moment. Yeah,
you know, That's what I was expecting, right, And so,
you know, I think the fact that you know, and Mikey Givana,
my colleague, wrote a story that's up online right now about how the players
kind of reacted to this thing, right, and they seem to be again,
right, like, man, this guy really kind of took the bull
by the horns, you know, and good for him, and I think
he's you know, the one thing about even his time in Anaheim, you
know again, Angels person wants to ascribe to me the dynamic there as being
twenty five plus one in that well, Tani was kind of on his own
training program and no one really knew what he was doing. That said,
you know, you go around there, guys really seemed to like him,
you know, And I don't think it's just kind of lip service. You
know, you can kind of tell when when guys are kind of forced to
you know, you're almost like seeing their arm just saying something nice about somebody.
I really get the impression that those angels guys liked them. And again,
I think kind of in his own way, he's kind of considerated,
and guys pick up on that. And my guess is that it's going to
be the same way here too. Dylan Hernandez is with us. I have
one more question about what went down. I don't know if this has been
reported. I can't figure it out. And it really was bungled from the
very beginning when a crisis management spokesperson suggested the interpreter talk to ESPN on the
record. At first, what a poor decision that was? And second,
who is that person who was the advisor, the specialist, the crisis management
person that jumped in there and assumed command of this because I don't think it's
ever been reported and I can't figure it out. Yeah, so that's kind
of one of the curious things about this, right is kind of they seem
to kind of have this uh, you know, crisis pr person on speed
diile, you know. Uh, I believe my paper is kind of close
to you know, write ESPN kind of publish their TikTok, right their day
by day, hour by hour, think about how this thing unfolded. Uh.
I believe we're close to putting something out like that ourselves, you know,
and obviously we kind of knew about this before the story ran. So
I don't think it's my place here to kind of still the spill the secrets
head about what's going to be in there. I would recommend everybody again go
check out La Times dot com. Sorry that I'm plugging this thing on your
shop, but yeah, I do think that that's again part of the now
the Dodgers version of the story is basically that all communication that anybody had from
Otani's team was to epay me Zuhara, the try to the interpreter, right,
so you know, they would they would go to him and say like,
hey, like what is Otani saying about this? He would, in
Theory, right, according to this version of the story, he would tell
them, hey, I talked to Otani. This is what he said,
you know. And so when whatever Mizuhara was telling them, they basically thought
was kind of coming from Otani or was coming with Otani's feel of approval,
so you know, we'll be right, he told Mizuhara and Theory told them,
hey, I was the one gambling. He agreed to cover my debts.
That's the story. And I you know, again, according to this
version of the story, no one ever bothered to check with Otani himself.
You know, it's kind of hard for me to believe that the AA,
right, the agency doesn't have like another Japanese speaking person there, But I
guess that's just kind of how it went right. And you know, and
this kind of plays into again, right, this whole idea of how could
he have gained access to his accounts and this and that I do think that,
again, they were together a lot, you know, I could see.
I do think it's a semi right, it's a plausible story that there
was so much trust that Otani had an Epim Mizuhara and that you know as
a result, you know, his manager, Otani's management also had this trust
in he paid Mizuhara and in theory, again they were just misled by this
one guy. Yeah. Yeah, it's just still like I said, you
know, there's so much is still left to interpret and figure out. And
I agree with you. I think that it's gonna die and then a few
months it's gonna something else is gonna pop up, and then it's gonna keep
popping up. I think it's one of those things that's gonna last for a
minute here, unless he eventually just puts it all to bed, which I
don't know if he can or will, you know, eventually do that.
How do you feel the this affects any kind of chemistry that the Dodgers have
going into this season, Well, I think you know that's kind of a
thing, right. I mean, Otani to me is like from a mental
standpoint, he's Michael Jordan, He's Tiger Woods. I think Otani's game is
actually gonna somehow be like elevated by this. I mean, we saw this
again with Barry Bonds throughout the Balco scandal. You know, there'd be like
one hundred people in the clubhouse just waiting for him. He'd go out and
just hit like three bombs like nothing was going on, right and again Brady
Brady after that. Yeah, Yeah, there's some guys that are different.
This guy is different, you know. I mean we saw him right after
I mean even yesterday, right right after this thing ended, the news news
conference, whatever you want to call it ended, he goes out to the
field, uh, starts playing catch for the first time since he underwent Tommy
John surgery. You know, like it's nothing, but this would have been
the big news of the day. Uh, if not for this ongoing scandal,
right the fact that, hey, this guy who's coming off surgery to
way player trying to play catch again. You know, he's out there smiling,
laughing. He'll be fine. I do wonder how it will affect the
rest of the team, you know, and right now, obviously the team's
got some issues right on the in the infield. They're not very good defensively.
Uh, those guys have to be feeling some pressure right now, especially
Lux and Monthcy. Movie. That's people pretty good out there. I think
a short stuff, but you know, we can talk about that another day.
But you know, I think guys like, like some monthsy, there's
gonna be pressure there. Obviously, we saw yamamotives first started in Korea did
not go well at all, you know, and you know kind of when
they're bad vibes in the room, right, I think, you know,
as much as some players might have been complaining at the beginning of spring training
about how crowded the clubhouts had become, everybody I think understood, like,
this is good attention we're getting, right. There are people here because something
positive is going on. Right, we just got the best player in baseball.
People think we could be a special team. And now all of a
sudden, that's kind of a little bit, right, A lot of people
are kind of around now because of this ongoing scandal now, so it changes
the air in the room a little bit, you know. And again if
if they kind of get off to a rough start here, I could see
them kind of struggling out of the gates for the first month. I don't
again, this team is always too deep, right, just I mean,
they have figured out the regular season, right, whatever criticisms I've thrown it
out to sevement over the years. The one thing is he has absolutely figured
out the regular season. They're too deep. They will get to October.
So again, even if they kind of come out a little bit slow out
of the gates, I don't see it being a problem down the road.
All right, Dylan, appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much for
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Okay, somebody doesn't know who they are and we have to get into
it next. Come on, come on, Fred me Vess you you know
who they picking. But look, come on, Cardi b let's go.
It's Tuesday. Roddy Pete, Fred Rogan. We got a lot in on
this chops. Yeah, and we've got to get a little more in here
too. So the Clippers look bad against Indiana last night, Yeah he did.
Now, the Lakers, you know, had enough to outlast them.
The Clippers just look bad. And the Clippers have been discussing the fact that
they don't know who they are. We have no identity. We don't know.
I mean sometimes we're one team and another game where another. But Ty
Lou actually now has figured out the Clippers identity right now. And do we
have an identity? I think yeah, we're soft. That could be an
identity if you want to call it that. Like, we got to be
tougher mentally and physically, but we do have an identity. When we was
twenty six and five, we had a great identity. You know. So
you can't pick and choose when you want to lead. You can't pick and
choose when you want to have identity. You can't pick and choose when you
want to do things the right way. And so just do the right things
every night and everything else will fall in and fall into order. Well,
there you go. They have an identity. There is nothing worse for an
athlete to be called soft, nothing worse for a coach to do it,
somebody in the media to do it, anybody to do it. To call
you soft. You can say, you know, he didn't play well,
or he's not he can't rebound or he can't shoot very well, or you
know, deconstruct his game and all those kinds of things. When you call
somebody soft in any sport, that is absolutely the worst thing you can say.
So for him to say at this point in the season that our identity
is soft, WHOA, that's a body blow for it. Yeah, no
body blow. That was a body blow. And we'll see if they absorbed
the body blow or not. But it gets me to thinking if, in
fact, after that incredible start and the way they played and the noise they
made and the excitement they generated, all of a sudden, they can't figure
out who they are and their coach calls them soft. If this continues to
go the wrong way and it's trending like that now, I mean, now
it's trending like that, it's going the wrong way. What do you do
if you're the Clippers after the season, if they've just gone soft and going
the wrong way. I don't know if that bodes very well for TYLERU Rodney.
I don't think it does bode well for tylu if he can't get it
done. This is you know what is this for time? This is his
third year year, the third, fourth, fourth, I think yeah,
I think it's his fourth. Yeah, and this is the year that kind
of everybody predicted, and this is the year for the most part that his
stars have been healthy, both Kawhi and Paul George. So this is the
year that I think that including us pet you know, predicted the Clippers.
This is the year that they they kind of get over that hump. Yep.
So yeah, they've they've got to they've got to. For me,
they've got to get to the Western Conference finals. Agree with you at least,
Yeah, but I've given this now. Of course, there's time to
turn it around, and everything seems to be exasperated because of where you're at
in the season. But when the coach comes out and says, no,
we have an identity, we're soft. Yeah at this point in the year.
This is the point in the year where we're going and we are hitting
our stride and getting ready for the playoffs, you would hope and it's all
that they can take their foot off the gas. They're not the Celtics and
say we won sixty games and we're just playing it out. Celtics are fifteen
games ahead of everybody else. That's what I'm saying. The clip you realize
looking at the standings right now, the Clippers are two games out of the
play in. Yes, how insane is that considering where they were a month
ago? They lose two more games, Dallas jumps them. They're in the
seven hole, and we thought they would challenge, well, at least I
did for the one seed. They were for a while. That's what I'm
saying. They were for what one day? They were the one seat,
right and now that was overwhelming. They couldn't hold onto that for one day.
For one day they were the one seat, and then sure and they
could be they could go drop down to being a playing team. That's not
going to bode well for a lot of folks there. That's gonna be bad
because in that scenario, how many times have I said it? Given where
they were, you know what that turns into, somebody's got to get it
for this, Yeah, somebody's got to get yeah. Right, in that
scenario, they were so good and considered to be one of the elite teams
of the West and really well shot. Figured it out, James Harden,
A lot of people didn't think it was gonna work, and figured it out.
It was working. Got to be the one seed and now they're on
they're going in the wrong direction, so they better figure it out in a
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Gotta do it with a daily haikup. At two, Here is Victor Brick
Hello Vic. Before we get to the high coup, it's all about Otani
and his very candid twelve minutes of enlightening us, enlightening of what light down?
Were you enlightened? Vic? Yes? You were well? How candid
you say anything? Yeah? What how candid you to think he was?
Oh? He was incredibly candid. He gave us, He gave us the
timeline to quote Otani at the very top with about one hundred media in the
room at Dodger Stadium, quoting show Hey, he said, I'm very saddened
and shocked someone whom I trusted has done this. I never bet on baseball
or any other sports, or never have asked somebody to do it on my
behalf. And I have never gone through a book maker to bet on sports,
and was never asked to assist betting payment for anyone else. I don't
know. That's directly from Moltani, and I believe Altani. Okay, well,
you know you know the mind of Otani Shan Well, I I'm trying
to figure this out as everyone in the sports cosmos is. But I do
believe Otani son. Ever since he came up sixteen yars ago with the Angels,
God, you see, the way of Otani has been strictly of baseball.
Well, but you don't know anything about him, big Who knows what
he does behind closed doors. I'm sure he doesn't just sit there and stare
at a ball. I'm sure his life is not he's taking swings off a
tee in his house. I'm sure he does something besides baseball. Well,
most of his life, for it has been one of trying to achieve the
you know, the great heights of of hardball, and he has done that.
He's a pet owner, he's a married man. There's more to Otani
soign exactly. And that's and that's the you know, that's the mystery of
Otani Sign. But his six years with the Angels. His teammates loved him
in Anaheim, and his Dodger teammates love him already in the Dodger uniform.
What what we're dealing with is a horrific addiction to gambling by by his his
once close friend and translator. You know, I a and you know it
must have been so hard for Tandy Sign. But he, you know,
he's he stared into the camera. He didn't look down at his notes.
This was right from the heart yesterday's twelve minutes. And I was very impressed.
He read Wait, he didn't look down at what he read from He
looked at He just looked at the camera. He read his notes, Vick.
He glanced down multiple times. Vic. Yeah, Vic, he read
from the notes. Well, it wasn't twelve minutes of just memorization, but
a lot of that twelve minutes was I would say, right from the heart.
Oh no, Vic, none of it came from really the heart.
It was predetermined, it was pre written, It was all planned, and
and he read he read it, Vick, it wasn't when he said Ipe
has been stealing money from my accounts and telling lies, I mean that's from
the heart. I mean there was a statement. Yeah he was emotional,
sure, I'll give you that, but it's not like he wasn't you know,
you didn't have a prepared statement. That absolutely happened. I don't think
anyone expected that candidness that honestly, uh and do a very tough situation from
open I love you, love you, loyalty. Oh my god, there
was no candidness in that at all. It was I found it straight up
reading off a script that he was prepared by his folks. I found it
extremely refreshingly candid considering the situation that this was his first first exposure to the
media, you know, since since the allegations went down, I thought he
handled it very very well, and I got a lot more information that I
saw I was always going to get front. Okay, well you know what
that lead just too to the source for it, Yes, to the hikup.
Yes, it is from Fuso. F us O we're having new haiku
masters. That's right. Ck yeah, I'm going through the archives. It's
from Fuso. This hiku for you on this Tuesday, March the twenty sixth,
Yes, go something like this, Strike the great Bell. I pray
to bid the early cherry trees burst into bloom today, Strike the great Bell.
I'm feeling you, Fuso. So all right, got a call to
action at the end of there, Strike that bell. Fuso, Fuso.
Okay, Ronnie, thank you, nice job on the Chop Show. Kevin,
appreciate your efforts as well. Tomorrow, we got no limbs. We're
only here for an hour. And don't forget though, even though we'll be
chopped to shreds, you'll have a chance to win because we're giving away Dodger
tickets for opening day tomorrow between noon and one. Rodney, I'll touch you
then, ret