At at Hey. Everyone, thanks again so much for listening to another livestream
episode of dog Man Encounters Radio. If you missed last week's show, you
really missed a notable one. We had a guest come on, Donna Huff,
who had a very traumatic experience when she was standing in the bathroom of
a guest home that she had been living in in California at the time,
about twenty years ago. Well, unfortunately, as she was looking at herself
in the mirror getting ready to go to dinner, unfortunately a dog man reached
through a window behind her and just scear the life out of her. Well,
last week she came on and went into great detail talking about that experience
and some other experiences as well, but we ran out of time. We
didn't have time to actually ask her a question so that we could really get
to the bottom of that. But luckily she agreed to come back on tonight's
show and go into detail more detail about that experience and answer questions that you
have for in the live chat, as well as some questions that I'm going
to have for Well, without any further ado, let's bring her in here
now. Donna, thanks so much for coming back. Hi thank you for
having me back. Oh you know, you're welcome. We appreciate your time,
Donna. For anyone who missed last week's show, please give us a
brief bio on yourself. Oh okay, yeah, I'm in my sixties.
I had a lifetime of paranormal experiences. This one was the one that was
really really scary. I got used to them, I got used to be
having so many weird things happened that I was like, oh okay, it's
just another weird thing. So I got to the point where I wasn't really
afraid anymore but of things. But this was what happened to me there in
southern California was very, very terrifying, and it was something that I hadn't
ever experienced before. Also, and otherwise that's about I love the animals,
all animals. There's probably no animal I don't love, but I particularly like
cats and dogs. You know your average pets. Well that makes two of
us. I love animals too, So I get it. I do do.
A lot of people who were listening to the show. I'm not sure
if they thought that that was going to be it, that you wouldn't be
answering any questions, but there's been a lot of anticipation about you coming back
on to actually do this, So I don't think you can appreciate how much
this is meaning how much this means to a lot of the listeners out there.
Like I said, I really do appreciate you coming back. But before
we get into these questions, Donna, for those people who might have missed
last week's show, can you give us an abbreviated version of what happened when
you had that encounter so those people who missed it last week and understand what
you've been through. Okay, So back in November of nineteen ninety nine,
my husband and I, Paul and I went to work at a place in
southern California and stayed in a guest house and for the we were there for
around six months. And there's a lot of stuff that happened there, and
slobber on the on the windows and tapping and knocking on the windows and rattling
of the doors and which, oh you know, and I guess you call
it. I've always called it telepathy, but I guess nowadays they call it
mind speak. There was some mind speak that went on, and I'm kind
of culminating into the situation where the documents stuck his arms through that, you
know, the claws through the window at me, and so in the bathroom,
so that it kind of all built up to that. But prior to
that we had kind of figured it must be haunted or something. But that
was kind of that was kind of the story, kind of in a nutshell.
I yes, you came on last week's episode of My Paranormal Experience.
It was episode one zero two, and you chronicle all these paranormal experiences you've
had. But from what you said, that doesn't even scratch the surface of
all these paranormal experiences you've had over the years. But you made it perfectly
clear when you're talking about all these experiences, Donna, that they didn't really
frighten you because of the volume of paranormal experiences you've had. For this dog
man experience to frighten you the way it did, though, it must have
been something because you talked about that one time when you were laying in your
bed and you felt this ghostly hand put its You could feel that hand on
your thigh from some type of a spirit or a ghost, and you just
basically rolled over and went back to sleep. Anyone else would have lost their
mind, would have run through a wall to get out of that house,
but not you. It happened more than once. It happened several times in
my life when something got in bed with me. I laid down on the
bed and accidentally laid on top of someone or something and it, you know,
kind of squirmed out from underneath me. It was human size, not
like a like I said, on a mouse or or a spider. No,
it was. But yeah, I had so many of those that finally
got to the point when when an entity would come and sit down because they
were nothing like suckubas, nothing like incubus, nothing, nothing like that,
nothing attacking me in in that way or anything. It just like was there.
So yeah, that of course when it first happened, it was terrifying.
In the first few times after that, I thought, well, they
don't hurt me. If they were going to hurt me, they would have
hurt me by now, so they must not go to be hurting me,
so I'll just ignore them. You realize that I'm sure that was a compensation
device, but yeah, that's a logical way of thinking. They had every
opportunity to harm you by they never did. So it's good you notice that.
Like I said, well, they're not wastpening any time. In the
live chat, Don, I've got the first question already for you posted.
That question is from Violence Make Me Cry, and they want to know was
Donna going through turmoil in her life when she had her experiences at the time
of my experiences, No, I was very happy. Paul and I were
like peas and carrots. I mean we were really happy the whole thirty years
that we were together. We were happy. There was no turmoil. We
we just we enjoyed each other and we had I mean, it was a
good job, making really good money for the time, and I didn't have
any turmoil at the time. Yeah, I didn't think, and then I
could not. I didn't think you did. It sounded like your life was
ideal, So I was pretty sure the answer to that question would be no.
I'm wondering, Donna. You were standing with your back to the window
when it reached in the window for you. You said that the window was
high also, but how high was that window sill off the ground? Oh,
we see, I'm five foot two, so it would have to have
been seven feet. You would have to I would have had to get on
a chair or a ladder to get up to it, because the outside of
the landscape went downhill. As you walked towards the back of the house,
it went down you walk downhill, so it was kind of up on those
stansions whatever you call him. I would think that it was probably seven feet
it was, yeah, because if I was standing there, I would have
to look a way up at it. It was pretty high. That's why
I even made it weird too. There's even scary thought of something being be
enough to do that. Oh, I'm sure it was frightening. If that
window sill was about seven feet off the ground outside and the arms were reaching
in the window. Were the arms reaching up to get into the window to
reach through the window, or did the arm seem to be level, like
it was tall enough just to reach straight in. I'd have to say tall
enough to reach straight But it was like they were up like in a posture
of you know, like you like you know how you do to like when
you're cheasing somebody or going to eat you and you got your your hands kind
of cringed outward and you got your arms forward. It was like that,
So I could see part of the arm for sure, So I guess it
was kind of in, you know, in that posture that it could have
reached on in without any trouble knots. We're halfway halfway to the elbow in
So yeah, I I don't think it. I don't think it had a
long ways to reach. I was to do that with my arm, yeah,
because I'm right now I'm lifting my arm up and trying to put it
in that position. Yeah, I have to be. I have to move
my shoulder pretty high to get my arm in that position. So I would
say it was yeah, where the arm was probably about where where its shoulder
was. Oh that's a weird thought. Oh gosh, because I just lifted
my arm to kind of do that to see it, and then that makes
me realize just how just how tall it was. Yeah, it must have
been at least nine feet tall, maybe even ten feet tall, because yeah,
the shoulders on it are definitely quite a bit below its head to the
top of its head. So yeah, that's not a comforting thought. I've
got another question for you, Donna from Oh well, no matter how big
it was, it clearly didn't want to get you had all these opportunities,
and it could have grabbed you that night also if it wanted to. But
like we talked about, it was just doing that for effect. I've got
another question for you. It is from Roger Nelson, and Roger wants to
know, Hi, Vic and Donna, did you see the dog man's face
or just the pause, just the pause and half the arm up from the
ridstep about halfway to the elbow and the pod claus. They looked like,
oh gosh. I kept drawing them, trying to get it down, and
it was they were just freaky. But no, I didn't see the face.
It might have been crouching because I didn't see. Of course, I
was seeing the reflection in the mirror, so it might have had partial but
I did. All I saw with my naked eyes was those huge claws,
this horrible, scary, decrepit looking things. You made some sketules, and
I didn't see the face. I was going to ask you about that,
because for some people it's better not to know, For other people it's better
to know. Alfred Hitchcock was well known for his thrillers, taking advantage of
that when he made Psycho, for example, he tried to show as little
of Anthony Hopkins as possible. Was it Anthony Hopkins, No, not Anthony
Hopkins. Yeah, Perkins was the killer. He tried to show Anthony Perkins.
Anthony Perkins, Anthony Perkins. He tried to show as little of Anthony
Perkins as possible when he was a killer in that movie in Psycho, because
he knew that you're never going to be able to top a person's imagination just
imagining what that killer is actually doing on the other side of that shower curtain
or doing in other situations. But if you actually show it, then that
takes away some of the imagination, and for most people that kind of lessens
the fear of the moment. But yeah, that's why I'm saying that for
a lot of people, not being able to see what those arms were attached
to would have made that even worse than if they would have looked out and
seen the dog man. So Aulay was wondering what your thoughts and what your
feelings were on that at the time. Like I said, at the time,
I didn't know what I was looking at really. At the time,
I was in my own brain. I was trying to figure out what the
heck a wolf a werewolf would have to do with a haunting, because up
to that point, Paul and I had pretty much summed it up as a
haunting because of all the other things that happened. But later on, when
I realized that it was a dog man, I was glad I never saw
the face. I don't know what I would have done if I saw the
face. I have no idea how I would have how I would have I
don't even know if I could have dealt with that. Maybe I couldn't have.
Maybe that's why I was spared to have to see it. Well,
I'm glad you didn't find out how you would have handled it. Thank Goodness
for that. Yeah, I don't think. I probably would have fainted and
Paul would have walked in and found me laying on the bathroom, Florida unconscious.
Yeah, might have been, that just might be. I've got another
one for you from George Scott, and George didn't type his question in all
caps. Please type any questions for Donna and all caps so I don't miss
them. I almost missed George's question. George wants to know do you have
nightmares about dog men or do you have good dreams about them? Or both
nightmares. I've never had a good dream about a dog man. I've had
nightmares. I have never had a good dream. Usually the nightmares are are
it's kind of leaning like behind a wall, just peering out from behind a
wall, watching me wake up, and I realized, it's just a dream.
But it seems so realistic. When I'm dreaming it, it seems so
realistic. But of course when I wake up, I'm like, Okay,
thank god, that was only a dream, because it's like they're just like
leaning up against a wall and you can just see its face, and in
my dreams, it always looks like a German shepherd, you know, standing
standing up right. But yes, I have had a lot of nightmares about
it, but no good dreams. I never petted it or played ball with
it or said, come on boy, you're a good boying nothing. What
was the last time you had about dog men? I had? What about
when time I had a dream? When was the last time you had a
nightmare about dog men? Probably in the last month. I'd say it's been
in the last month just before I decided to contact you, when it was
going through my mind that I really wanted to you know, I was questioning
whether or not to bother you, or whether maybe my experience wasn't worthy of
bothering you because you're such a busy person and you help so many people.
I didn't want to be intrusive, and I thought, well, maybe mine
is not, you know, but but I was thinking of contacting you and
him homming about it. And that's about around about the time I had that
dream bother me. No, no, no, no such thing. That's
what I'm here for. And I'm elated that you reached out to me.
Yeah, thank goodness you did. Oh, definitely, you're welcome. I've
got another question for you, Donna, from Penelope, and Penelope wants to
know, Donna, how do you evercome daily fears after this experience? Oh
that's an easy one because because I'm very spiritual and I have like an ongoing
conversation all day long with God, like all day like I wake up,
good morning God, and I walk through my day like, oh, you
know, if I'm walking out to the trash I'm talking about, you know,
like people would think I'm just talking to myself, but I consider it
talking to talking to God. And then it's I never say amen, like
some people say you know, sit down and pray and then say amen.
I don't do that. I just have a regular ongoing conversation like I'm having
with you, or like I would have with anybody. And then if I'm
not taught, I don't say amen, because I don't figure that it's closed.
It's always an open ended thing. And I feel that having that kind
of a relationship helps me to be able to cope with things like That's the
only way I cope when Paul passed away. That's the only way I was
able to cope. I can't cope any other way. I'm not trying to
push religion on people, but I just don't know how people that don't have
that cope, because that's the only way I can think. I would go
crazy. I'd be to be the same asylum. I'd be scared all day
every day. And I do look around. Don't get me wrong. It's
not like I'm some bravado person that I mean. I still do look over
my shoulder. I still do do that. I'm comfortable sometimes when I'm outside,
and I don't ever go outside after dark, after sunset or before sunrise.
So I mean, I still have the apprehension and some anxiety, But
I don't live my life thinking well, I mean, actually, yeah,
there's times I think, well, any you know, maybe I'll see something
or maybe something will happen. But I don't live my life in daily fear
that that's something that I'm going to see one I have. I don't know
how to explain it. I do. It is in the back of my
head, what if I saw one? What if I saw one? And
what if one showed up here? But I'm always praying. That's the only
way I can cope with it. I think that's wonderful, that's great.
If you did see another dog man, do you think you would remember to
cry out for help from Jesus or do you think you'd be so panic that
you'd forget to do that. I wouldn't forget Jesus, no way. I'd
be like, I'd be screaming his name. I'd be like, welly or
Lord Lord, Yeah, okay, one's here. Once I would be telling
him that, like what's here? Like what's her? Lord? Sometimes I
make jokes with God, like I'll say something, I'll say, oh,
as if you didn't know. I'll be telling him something and I'll say,
oh, sorry, as if you didn't know, you know, like I
would be like, yeah, I would be calling out then, Yeah,
I'd definitely be calling out the name of Jesus, absolutely, and I'd be
very happy that I talked to him a lot before, you know, like
like you know, like I said, talking to God all day. Because
you know, if you never never pray and you never have a conversation with
God and then all of a sudden one day you need him, you got
kind of a guilty conscience because you're calling out somebody that you've been ignoring for
your life. But for me, I would be thinking, well, thank
God, I have a conversation with you. I know who you are,
and I know you're watching out for me, so hey, look over there,
take it away, please take it away. But but I would also
think that there must be a reason for it. I always think, okay,
there must be a reason for this or that when something happens. I
always look for the reason. It's just me. No, that's a good
practice. I'm glad you do that. I am Well, I'm not sure
if I should read Mike Surta's question or not, because he's stealing a question
already had prep to ask you. No, I think it's a good question
and happy to ask it. Mike wants to know, has Donna ever played
with a Wigi board? Oh boy, that's a story for my paranormal experience,
and it says is this really deep? And yes I did. And
I actually had people giving me wija boards. I mean not like one time
we were at the SWAT meet walking along and somebody saying, hey lady,
hey lady, and I turn around, I'm supposed to give this to you,
and it was Aligi board and I'm like, oh, gee, thank
you. I mean, yeah, I was being chased by Weegi boards and
I had I had a stack of them in my clock and in my hallway
closet, and yes I was, and then I had a an experience.
Wise, I don't know if I should share it years save it from my
paranormal experience if I ever do another one of those. But what do you
think? Should I just go ahead and share it if you don't mind sharing
anything? All meanings, And also if you're willing to come back on and
record another episode of my paranormal experience with me, that'd be great. I'd
love to bring you back on and do that as well. But as far
as tonight show goes, Yeah, if you don't mind sharing that experience with
the Wuiji board, now, please do. Okay. This was back when
I was married to a man named Richard who has also passed away, and
we were living in Bakersfield and this particular night I had men called to do.
There was some rich people who contacted me. They were going to do
she was doing a big party for her husband for their like fiftieth anniversary or
something, and they were gonna have all these little things going on. And
they asked me if I would come for the evening and like do fortunes for
people. And I'm like, oh, you know, that would be that
would be fine, And they said we'll pay you and we'll also put a
little basket there so people can tipu and I'm like that's fine, which I
was doing that through the out the evening, I had long you know,
it's really funny. They had stripper there and my line was longer, and
I thought, well, people would rather hear about themselves and watch some beautiful
women up there because people are curious about themselves. I thought that was kind
of funny. But anyway, at the end of the night, I was
exhausted, just so exhausted. So it was like about one o'clock in the
morning and we went home and a friend of mine named Carol had called me
and said, oh, she wanted to get on the wig and I was
like, I'm so tired. And she's like, please, please, can
we do it tonight? And I'm like all right, So she came over.
Well, I had a familiar spirit on the Ouiji board that I called
by name, who I always asked for. And I will not say his
name because I promised the Lord Jesus, I promised God in heaven I will
never speak that name and I never have again, and I never will.
But I called for that one and he didn't show up, and I'm like,
where is the So this other one came on and I said, well,
who is this and he said who he was? He's his name?
And I said, well where is so and so? And this other spirit
said he's eating and I'm like, oh, what do spirits eat? And
the answer was energy and I'm like, oh, well that makes sense,
spirits see okay. I said, so he's not available tonight and he said
no, but I'm here and I'm like, okay, well all it was
said in it entered my body literally, and if anybody out there who's ever
had a shot from the doctors of any kind of thing, that when they
put the needle and they shoot, you literally can feel it travel into your
body and you can feel it traveling in your veins. It was like that
each one of my fingertips that was resting on the planet chat, each one
of my fingertips felt that go into me, and it went in through my
fingertips all the way up to my shoulders until it was completely inside of me.
And then I realized, I'm done. This is the end for me,
because I realized now I'm possessed and I can't get it out. And
so I was trying to tell Richard and Caroline, we have to get out
of here, but all they could hear me saying was I'm so tired,
Please help me to the bed. So then Caroline, being very intuitive,
said just a minute, and so she walked towards the bedroom door. She
opened the bedroom door, looked in, she slammed the door, and came
running back and said Richard, let's go, let's go, Let's get her
out of here. And Richard literally had to pick me up I mean literally
had to carry me out the door and out to the car, and Richard's
driving and he's driving around in circles, going what do we do? What
do we do? And Caroline was like, we just got to keep praying
and praying. And I'm the whole time I'm praying, Lord, please forgive
me, Please forgive me. I swear I will never touch another ready board
as long as I live. I will burn them, I will crush them.
I will never ever ever do this ever again. Please please. And
there was a church there in Bakersfield that was like a church of the Opener.
It's like they had a garden open in the middle of the night like
that, and it had like a little water fountain stuff in it, and
so Richard pulled on in there, and you know, in my mind,
I'm thinking, this is this how people wind up in the insane asylum.
Are they forced to do and say things against their will and they don't know
how to say what's really wrong with them, and so they wind up getting
put in the nut house or something or jail or something. And I was
really thinking this was the end of me, but I just kept praying and
praying. Well, so Richard pulled into the to the church parking lot,
and and they got me into the into the garden, and the three of
us were on our knees. There was Carol to my Carol to my left,
and myself and Richard to my right, and we were and this is
where it really gets weird. I mean, it really gets weird now because
before this, I had no regard for the for the Virgin Mary. She
was just the gal who evidently was the one who got you know, who
had the who had the Lord. But I didn't think that she was an
important part of the whole thing. But this changed my mind because there was
a statue of the Virgin Mary above the fountain. And as I was praying,
desperately praying for deliverance because I knew what was going on. I knew
I was demon possessed, no doubt in my mind, I'd been possessed.
And I looked up at the statue and this statue became palaful. I mean,
bear in mind, this is like nineteen, you know, seventy nine,
so it's not like, you know, they had technology and stuff,
you know, this statue became very soft and palatable, and the face she
opened her eyes and she looked at me and she smiled at me, and
then she closed her eyes and became a statue again. And at that very
instant it went wh I just failed to leave my body in a flash,
just plus right out of me, and I all of a sudden was filled
with this piece that I can and even describe or it was the most It
was complete and total peace, and it filled me up like water being poured
into a vessel. This piece filled me up, and and then I just
breathed and I said, it's gone. And then Carol said, it's in
front of me. Keep praying. So we kept praying until we finally got
got up and we all went back to the car. And It's crazy was
that the next day I was well. It was actually still the same.
It was all within the night. In the morning, we went into Farmers
John Farmer John's restaurant they had there for pancake house and stuff, and the
three of us went in there and we were the only ones. The waitress
came. There was a guy sitting at the counter. I guess he was
a dishwasher bus guy, you know, And there wasn't anything going on,
so he was just sitting there talking to the waitress and we walked in,
and so the waitress came over to take care of us, and she put
out four cups and we were like, there's only three of us, and
she goes, well, what about your friend? And we're like what,
And I said the lady that was with you guys, And we're like,
there's an old lady. She goes, yeah, four of you walked in
together, and she went to the bathroom and you guys came to the table
and I'm like, we're just looking at each other. And then the guy
at the counter swiveled his chair around and says, that was your guardian angel.
You've got an angel following you. You've got an angel protecting you.
And for a while after that, I felt the thing from time to time,
watching from a distance, like maybe waiting for an opportunity to at me.
But I had sworn to the Lurd Jesus with all my heart and soul
that I would never ever ever touch another one of those things, that I
would never utter the name of either of those entities ever again, so long
as I would live, and I haven't. And there was even a person
who asked one time if they could store some stuff here and I said sure,
and we put it in the shed. And then one day I went
in there and I looked over at one of their boxes. I was a
Wigi board sticking out of it. I took it out and I threw it
way out and I called him and said, hey, you can store anything
you want here, but no wigi boards allowed to cross this new They're not
allowed on the property. And I threw your board out there, and he
said, that's okay, that's okay. So anyway, so that next day,
you know, we Caroline had a friend and he came over and we
broke down. I stayed in the car. Richard and him. They've got
every wigie bird out of the house and broke them all up. And we
went way out in Niles Boulevard, way way out past the Bakersfield Raceway and
dug a hole and buried him and we stood. We buried those broken up,
chipped up old Oigi boards in the deep in the ground, and then
we stood in a circle and prayed and thank God for the deliverance and never
touched one. And Pete, I hear people tell me, oh, Donnie,
it's okay. You know, you can use it for this purpose of
that. No, no, don't do it. Don't touch one. I
swear. If I see one at the yard sale, oh buy it,
just to bring it home and break it up and throw it in the dumpster,
just keep it out of the hands of people. And they're bad.
They're so bad. After an experience like that that would put you off of
them. Do you think there's any connection between what reached its arms through that
window bathroom window, and that entity that possessed you. No, I don't
know, because you know, you can get discernment of spirits, and I
I feel that I have. I think everybody has the ability to have discernment
of spirits, but I think they just don't tap into that ability. But
it's something that I I can, and so I can sense the difference between
entities like oh, this is a this or that's a that. There's spirits
out there that are not necessarily evil. They're just lost or they're wandering or
this or that, but they're not necessarily evil. I mean, I was
brought up to believe that everything that went bump of the night was a demon
from hell, but I I since changed my mind, and I could discern
the difference, and there was definitely a notable difference. Definitely a notable difference
between what I would consider so and so on the Ouiji board. It wasn't
the same one. And that one, by the way, that was the
one that had possessed me back then, has never come back since since ever.
That probably for gosh forty. I mean, I was a young woman
in my early twenties and this thing has never ever, It's been banished forever.
So no, I don't think anything that's happened to me was related to
that. I mean, I mean, I think when you do a wigi
board, you can I mean, you're open yourself, you're opening a window,
You're opening a door to whatever I do. I do believe that,
and you're not necessarily going to Uh, I'm going to get an evil person
every time, but you're you're always they can always come in and then will
take any opportunity to come in. But I feel that there's so much of
the spirit, the Holy Spirit in around me that that particular entity isn't coming
back. I think the dog Man was Yeah, I sure hope you're right
and it doesn't come back, But I guess time will tell. I've got
a really good question for you. Yeah, that makes two of us.
I've got another good question for you from Raoul and Raoul wants to know was
there any smell coming through the window. I don't remember a smell. I
don't I don't remember smell. There was. There was always fragrance around there
because there was so many There was roses bushes growing up. That's another thing.
How can something get through all those thorns? I mean you have to
kind of go, like if I was going to go up to a window
there, I'd have to kind of rustle through the thorn bushes. You know
that it's hard to even go and you know, reaching and pick a rose,
let alone pusher way up to this. So there's always a fragrance of
roses and stuff. But I don't remember any smell that I would attribute to
that creature. That's a good point about the thorns. But these guys,
for some reason, just don't seem to be affected by them. They go
through the nastiest thorns, seem to be totally unaffected. So yeah, that's
not unprecedented. That's pretty much the norm. I've got another good one for
you from Scott Lee and Scott wants to know, donno what would you do
if you have another encounter with the dog mayet, I need you. You
know where I'm at, I'm right here, help me. Yeah, I
wouldn't. I'd definitely be crying out to the Lord. I wouldn't just entertain
it or say hey, hi there, docment how you know. I of
course, you never really know what you'll do in a situation unless you're in
the situation. But I can I can only guess that I would be like,
well, or you know, like, dang, I knew this was
gonna happen. Dang it, jeezus helped me, it happened, you know,
something like that. But no, I don't want it to happen.
Everyone has a plan until they get hit. Yeah, my plan is right,
that's a good plan. I've got another one for you from Paul E.
Fields. And Paul wants to know. Does the guests believe that the
good dog men try to keep humans protected from the bad ones at all times?
Do I think that? Well, you know, I think there's probably
amiable dog men out there. There probably are, and just like anything else,
I mean, I haven't encountered one, but I can imagine that,
just like any other creature, you could have good or bad, good and
bad in every creature, you know, you might And I mean, since
they're K nine, they've got it. They've got to have some kind of
teenas are naturally protective creatures. And I mean I would think that that's a
possibility. And I don't know. I mean, I can't say for sure.
Nobody knows, nobody has answers like that, but I think it's a
possibility that if one felt amiable towards you, it would be protective if there
was a nasty dog man trying to come around you. Yeah, I could
see that, you know, just like if you have a dog and another
dog is going to come and get you, your dog is going to protect
you. So I imagine that's possible. I think it'd be possible. Yeah,
you're right. All we can do to answer that is just yes,
there's no way to know for sure, but that is a really good question.
And speaking of that, I've got another one from Jessica Boyles and Jessica
wants to know. Hey, Vic and Donna, has your dog me an
experience affected how you feel about large breed dogs. No, No, I
love dogs. The people that lived there for years and years, there was
no neighbors. And then when we got neighbors, I was like, oh,
no neighbors. Been out here for twenty nine years, no neighbors.
Now I'm gonna have neighbors, right, And they turned out to be the
best best neighbors you could ever think of. And they got a rot whiller
over there comes over and visits me sometimes. I love them. No,
I don't have any anything. No. I love dogs, big dogs,
little dogs, in between dogs. Yeah, I love dogs. There's no
problem with that. In fact, I had a big dog, well not
a real big dog, but my dog, who passed away a couple of
years ago was. In fact, I actually had two. One of them
was like a German shepherd's mix I called a kite. She had one blue
eye when brown eye. And then and she died on Saint Patrick's Day of
twenty twenty one. And then dog Dog died. I just called him.
Dog Dog died on my birthday twenty twenty two. So yeah, holidays.
Why do you think has happen on holidays? Yeah, that's rough. I
was not. It doesn't affect my love for dogs. And I'm not afraid
of German shepherds just because you know, dog men look kind of like German
shepherds don't do me. No. Yeah, what's extra tough is when you
own a black German shepherd and have a dog man encounter. I can understand
how that would freak a lot of people out to have dogs like that,
but thank goodness, you weren't affected that way. Well, I think I've
got almost what would qualify as being the question of the year here for you
from Penelope. Penelope wants to know Donna's faith is interesting. I'd be interested
in knowing if she believes if dog men are created by God or something else.
Well, yeah, I do, because I'll tell you why, as
I believe everything was created. And I don't mean that humans can't take something
and make it into something else. Like you know, they can take components
and they can create you know, they can make houses out of lumber,
and they can you know, take chemicals and mix them in, you know,
but it still comes from an original source. The whatever it takes to
make it comes from an original source. So and I don't think that these
things have been around for I mean, there's a lot of people I've heard
that some kind of conspiracy theories that the government or some lab work at a
decrea these things, But I don't think they would have been around, you
know, when like Joan of Arc was on the planets if that were the
case. They just they've been around for hundreds of years, even thousands of
years from some reports and some records, so them, they've been around too
long not to be a natural part of the of the planet. So I
think that they were created. I think that they pro create. They have
dog man puppies probably, and and there's female dogmen and male dogmen and they
mate and everything. I mean, I'm pretty sure they were created and they
just haven't been a part of our reality because when they were seen, you
know, way back and then in the Old Country. Of course they were
seen here by Native Americans before Western civilization got here. But even back in
Europe they were seen, but they were interpreted differently, and then eventually they
just became mythology and scary stories. But then I don't think that they're making
a comeback. I just think that they were already here and that they were
created and they h We just know about it more because we got the Internet
and people can talk to each other from all over the world. People who've
never met can start talking about it, and now everybody's like, wow,
these things, and I think they're new. I think they were always here.
It's just that if you saw one a hundred years ago, you're going
to ohhh, what was that, and you're going to keep it to yourself,
and you don't want to tell anybody what you saw because you're going to
be put in the looney bin. But now it's people are open and free
to say it. But I think they've been here, and I think they
were created to do whatever it is they do. Like any Probably they're probably
predators because you know, I mean lions are predators. They're probably an apex
predator, just like a pack of wolves or a tiger. I mean,
God didn't make every single creature to be as gentle as a lamb, you
know. So I don't understand them. We workings of creation, but I
believe in creation. I just don't think nothing came from nothing. Something doesn't
come from nothing. Yeah, I think they're created. I do. I
like the way you think my opinion. You make some really good points.
I mean, yes, we do have the technology now in my opinion,
to make test two dog men, but like you said, that definitely doesn't
explain how there were encounters back in the eighteen hundreds, which there have been
documented cases of people seeing them back then. Well, yeah, if we
didn't have the technology back then to make them in a test tube in a
laboratory back then, and that means they must have been here with us the
whole ride. Basically nowadays, I think you probably have both versions, ones
that have been here the whole time, and then a version that was created
in a test tube some place. But you can't explain the whole phenomenon by
saying, yeah, they were just made by men, because for the reasons
you highlighted, that just doesn't fit, doesn't work when those arms reached through
that window, Donna, I can't remember if you mentioned this last week on
last week's show or not, but what color did you say? They were?
Oh? Brownish dark deep dark brownish chet kind of I don't know what
you call that, just dark dark brown, like like the like German shepherd
color. How German shepherds like how it comes dark almost like a black,
but it's comes out brown when like when the sun it's like the chips or
something are brownish target But it was sparse because the hair that I actually saw
because the palms were more human like the palms were. The palms didn't have
hair, but I could see strands like where the where from the wrist where
it came down the arm from the wrist in the back of that, because
I really I didn't get a look at the back of the hands because they
were facing in the position to you know, grasp, so they were coming
towards my, my, towards the back of me, So I saw more
of the palms, but you could see sparse, sparse strands, you know
how you can see that sometimes, you know, But yet I couldn't get
a really good look at the fur until you got down around the wrists and
stuff, and then it got more prominent. But still it was like it
wasn't completely covered. It wasn't completely covered with fur. It I imagine the
back of the arms were completely covered with fur, But as it came around
to the fore, around to the inner arm and the wrist, it was
it was more sparse, so you couldn't really get a grasp of specific coloring
other than just some kind of dark brown. That was a really good description
of what you saw. But a picture is worth a thousand words. And
speaking of that Donna, you sent me two sketches you made of what you
saw that night reaching in the window. I'm going to post those now on
the YouTube version of Tonight Show, and if you can see it posted,
please go in as much detail as you can about what we're looking at here.
Oh okay, see how it's kind of human like on the palm.
And what was really weird was when I went over my journals all these years
later, because before I used to just draw and draw and draw and drive
sketch them and sketch them over and over and over again, kind of like
I was obsessed with sketching them. And then, of course I put those
journals away, and I have other journals sensitive other things, but this.
But when I went back and looked at him, I was like, huh,
there's only three fingers and one one a postable thumb, and I wasn't
therefore fingers, and I thought, well, that's the way I sketched him
at the time, so that must have been the way I perceived him at
the time. And but the reason why the fingers look because I'm not very
good at making the in depths, the depths of you know, dimensional in
the sketching. But it's like the like where you bend your fingers at the
top, Like if you got your three joints the bottom, you got three
joints from the bottom and your middle joint and then your top joint on your
finger. I was trying to make it so that the top joint was was
was facing forward, and in my feeble attempt, I made my I made
the hand look kind of pudgy, but it wasn't really pudgy. It was
just that that top joint was facing inward with these long, sharp talon like
nails, and the thumb was you know, yeah, I see, you
know, see what I mean about the hair, how like on the back
of the thumb you could see hair and then around the sides, but not
really on the palm. Yeah, that's how it was. I think that's
a pretty good. Yeah. Just look, well I was trying to I
kept trying to perfect it. I kept drawing them over and over again.
It was weird. They were pretty scary looking things. Oh I'm sure they
were. I don't doubt that at all. And I can't remember if I
told you this or not, Donna, but some dog men only have three
toes, so why couldn't they only have three fingers, It would make sense
that in some cases they would. Really Yeah, I didn't know that.
Yeah, dog men do. Oh okay, well then I'm not okay,
Well then there it is. Oh yeah, oh gosh, those ones.
Yeah, that's so scary to me. How about this picture looking at those
chictures, Yeah, there. I tried to get the lines of that,
you know, like the palms, the creases in the in the palm human
like in the you know, because they were clenched in a you know,
like how something's coming after you and it's going to grab you, it moves
the it moves the fingers forward in a grabbing, clenched up, you know
like position. And when I try to draw the top of the fingertips where
they're clenched forward, it just it just looks like that's where the finger ends.
But that's not it's actually just not very good drawing. But yeah,
that and it's hard to hard to explain how those fingernails were. But they
were very pointed at the end, very much like a bird's talons would stick
out and then come down in point, like an eagle or an owl.
But they were Yeah, you can't see In this picture, you can't really
tell how the how long the fingers were because I was trying to get that
effect, that dimensional effect. But the fingers were actually kind of long,
and the nails were long and pointed like that. That's why I thought,
this has to be aware with what else could it be? Because it's not
human and it's not what else could it be? I mean, it was
just the size of it was just like that. That's why I was looking
at it, going what thinking it was a haunted house, going what in
the world do these what the world does this have to do with the haunting?
Because this is obviously the hands of awarewoof? I mean, what else?
That's the only thing it looked like. And that's why I told Paul,
I mean, Paul, Paul, there was wearew It was in the
mirror. He didn't see it, but I kept drawing drawing it for him.
But everything but he saw the other stuff. He saw the slab and
all the other stuff. He's the only thing he didn't see what the pause.
But he saw everything else and he heard everything else. He experienced everything
I experienced, except for this. He didn't. Yeah, they were very
see how they're like coming out at you like they're just Oh gosh, that's
what it was. It was so freaky. Why would so? I mean,
it was obviously reaching. The two thumbs were sticking out with the very
long pointy fingernails, really creepy and just like something on the movies. But
it was real, y know. But there has to be something about why
they do what they do. I don't know why they do what they do.
It's unfortunate. Yeah, they definitely are real. Got another question for
you, and it is from Paul E. Fields. Paul wants to know
does Donna believe Bigfoot and dog Man have fights over food and territory? Hmm,
I don't no, I guess you know, that's a really hard one.
That's a good question, But that's really hard to think about because I
wouldn't absolutely know because I'm not a dog Man and I'm not a big Foot,
and I'm not part of their plans, so I wouldn't know what they're
doing there when they're doing their thing. But I can imagine, like if
other animals, like you know, hyenas and ions will go and attack things
and kill them because of the territorial thing. I think that if if Bigfoot's
encroached on their territory. They might say, Okay, you know, you
get out of here. This is our this is our territory. But I
don't know. I mean, maybe maybe they tolerate each other pretty well.
Maybe. I mean because a lot of things do you know, Like there's
that up in like where's that northern northern Siberia where the where the guys go
out on them the wild horses. They don't even have them in corrals.
The wild horses come in and these guys get on them and ride them,
and the eagles go out. The wild eagles go out and get a get
a wolf, and then the wolf and the humans share I mean, the
eagle and the woman, the eagles and the huge humans share the kill.
But the three work together. Wild horses, wild eagles and the nomadic humans
work together, and they have for you know, a lot for however,
for generations work together. So I mean I think that in nature other species
can possibly work together, and maybe they work together, and maybe they don't.
I wouldn't really be able to answer that too. I can only theorize,
and that's it. I could have theories and opinions, but no facts.
Yeah, that's not your fault. Unless you really studied the dog mea
phenomenon, you wouldn't have any way of knowing. Well, I can answer
that for you in a way and let you know that it seems like in
most cases dogmen and sasquatch mixed like water and oil. But there are credible
eyewitnesses who swear up and down they've seen them working together. So I guess
in most cases they probably don't, but in some cases they do. That's
probably the best way to answer that. And here's a question that a gentleman
named Lee typed way back that I missed. He didn't type his question in
all caps. That question is why didn't she turn around while looking in the
mirror? Yeah, because you know, I I wonder if that was a
protection thing, because when I was actually looking in the mirror, my brain
was telling me that it was in the mirror, and I just kept staring
in the mirror and pondering and pondering, how can this be? How can
this be? How can something be inside the mirror? And it didn't dawn
on me that it was reflecting in the mirror at that moment. I was
kind of like under spell. It felt like I was in a whole nother
reality. Like, wow, this is like just like Alice in Wonderlad,
something that's living inside on the other side of the glass. There must be
a dimension. And I was I know, that's a crazy way to think,
but that's exactly what I was thinking. I mean, I didn't think
to turn around because I didn't think there was anything behind me. I thought
it was all in front of me, inside the glass. And I know
that there's cultures that cover mirrors and during certain times they do, and I've
done that myself, but put something over a mirror that I thought was a
questionable mirror. But yeah, I was really thinking, that's in the mirror.
And that's why when Paul came down the hill, down the driveway,
down the hill and he came in, I was like, Paul, hurry
here, you look at this. Look it's inside the mirror. But when
he came in the bathroom, it wasn't inside the mirror anymore. And I'm
like, where to go? Where to go? And I tried to explain
it to him. He said, I believe you, it's okay. I
believe you. Just tried to calm me down, but I wouldn't leave the
bathroom. I said, I'll just stay in here while you shower. I
didn't want to leave because I was afraid. I want to be next to
him. I don't want to be alone. It was scary, Oh,
I'm sure it was. And I was also Yeah, I was also thinking
that at that point, maybe this ghost or whatever was there might been trying
to send me a mess by showing me something in the mirror and trying to
figure out what we would to werewif have to do with a haunting? Now,
why would they why would they show me wherewiff hands? I was still
not thinking at that moment, And I'm glad I didn't turn around because if
I'd turn around and seen those things. Gosh, I probably would have fallen
backwards and broke the mirror with my heavy head poop, because I would have
fallen backwards, for sure. I'm glad i'd just turned around. But that's
why I didn't turn around, because I didn't think. I really thought it
was inside the mirror. Crazy. I'm glad you didn't realize a weird movies.
Yeah, I didn't. I'm so glad I didn't. I can understand
why. It, you know, obviously dawned on me later. You know,
Oh God, I know, it's a lot. I got another question
for you, Donna from Glenn Camata, and Glenn wants to know do you
believe God intended you to have these encounters? Yes, undoubtedly. And I'll
tell you why if you want to know why, because I think when everything's
happened, like I said, I look for the reason, like why did
this happen? And when you when if you're a person in your life you
tell God you want to help people, you're going to have stuff happen because
you can't help somebody unless you yourself have had something happen in your life,
so you can relate, like like when you had a couple of Bigfoot experiences
and so you can relate to the cryptid situation. So now you can help
people. But if if you had never had any experiences, you might not
be equipped to help, you know. And anytime something bad or something extraordinary
has happened in my life, I feel like that's I'm going to have the
opportunity to help somebody else who will also experience it and so and that goes
for good things too, when it's something wonderful that happened and I can edify
another person like telling them an angel story or give a warning against Ouiji boards
by telling them that story, you know, or whatever. I think.
Things happen and God allows it to happen. There's there's a verse in Jeremiah
thirty two you know three three Jeremiah three three three, you know, and
it says, call into me, and I will answer you and show you
great and mighty things that you know. Not the boy, is that ever
true? You have to be showning. You're going to be seen things that
nobody else ever freaking saw, and you're going to be experiencing freaking things,
and you're gonna be going what the heck is going on? But really,
you call and you ask, you're gonna get, You're going to receive and
you and you asked to be able to help people. Stuff's gonna happen because
you've got to experience it to know what it's like, what it feels like.
And even though we can't feel exactly what another person is feeling or going
through, we can grasp enough of it to be able to help them.
So no, I think that, yeah, when something happens. Now,
I always look for the reason. If something happens to me and I wind
up going to the emergency room. I go, Okay, why am I
here? And then something will happen? Aha, Now I know what I'm
here. There's always the reason. That's my opinion, that's my belief.
Way I think it was supposed to happen. I agree, I feel the
same way. Well, looks like we have a celebrity in the live chat
tonight, Long Island Bigfoot aka Mike coll Antonio. If you haven't checked out
the Long Island Bigfoot channel on YouTube, hoighly suggests you do. He's got
really good content and of course Mike is a top notch guy. I haven't
heard of him. Well, I'll have to check him out. Yeah,
please do. Okay, that's right on YouTube. Well, I'm going to
ask this one last question, Donna. Mike wants to know do you have
any belief that they wanted to or it could have hurt you. There was
a time when I thought they probably might have wanted to hurt me or it.
I don't know that there was There could have been more than one,
but I I'm assuming there was only one in my own personal experience. But
I I don't get the feeling that anymore that it was going to hurt me
or intent on hurting me. When I first realized that it was real and
that it wasn't you know that it was a reflection. When I first realized
that the mirror was reflecting it and it wasn't you know, and that it
was I thought, Okay, it probably wanted to hurt me. And then
Paul was coming and it heard the van coming down the drive and laughed.
But since that time, since I've talked to you, that it could have
hurt me, but it didn't. It could have hurt Paul too. I
don't think it was ever gonna hurt I don't think it. I don't think
it was going to hurt me. I don't. I mean, I can't
say one hundred percent positive, but if it was going to hurt me,
I feel like God stopped it from hurting me. But at the same time,
I don't necessarily think it wanted to. I used to, I don't
anymore, because it could have hurt me. Like the seven words, it
could have hurt me, but it didn't, but it didn't want to hurt
me. I was within inches. I mean, that little space between the
counter and the wall that the window was on was no wider than a door
could open and shut. It was narrow. What is that two feet wide?
I don't know. It's not very very wide. And I mean it
could I mean, it could have just yanked me right out the window,
grabbed a fold of my shoulders or whatever, even grab my hair and yanked
me out because I have long hair. It could have. It could have
hurt me, It could have taken but it didn't. It So either God
told either God told it you won't touch her, or it didn't want to.
It's got to be one of those. Well I think probably maybe both,
or maybe it just didn't want to. You're right, either one could
be the case. I could be behind what was going on. Well,
Donna, I can't thank you enough for coming back on to answer all these
questions for us. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Oh, I
really appreciate you being there for everybody. Oh, You're welcome. I wouldn't
have it any of the way. And please remember, if you ever need
my help, all you have to do is just reach out and let me
know, and by all means, we'll definitely schedule another conversation so I can
find out what's ailing you. Please remember that, Okay, Thank you.
Oh you're welcome. Well, yeah, thanks again for coming back on and
have a great night. For everyone out there listening, Thank you so much
for listening, and as always, if you've had a Dogman encounter that you'd
like to speak with me about, or if you'd like to just come on
the show and share it with everyone listening, all you have to do is
please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you do that,
I'd be more than happy to contact you one schedule a conversation so we
could talk about your experience or experiences. But having said that, yeah,
thanks again so much for listening, and have a great weekend. No