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At at Hey. Everyone, thanks
again so much for listening to another livestream

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episode of dog Man Encounters Radio.
If you missed last week's show, you

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really missed a notable one. We
had a guest come on, Donna Huff,

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who had a very traumatic experience when
she was standing in the bathroom of

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a guest home that she had been
living in in California at the time,

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about twenty years ago. Well,
unfortunately, as she was looking at herself

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in the mirror getting ready to go
to dinner, unfortunately a dog man reached

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through a window behind her and just
scear the life out of her. Well,

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last week she came on and went
into great detail talking about that experience

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and some other experiences as well,
but we ran out of time. We

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didn't have time to actually ask her
a question so that we could really get

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to the bottom of that. But
luckily she agreed to come back on tonight's

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show and go into detail more detail
about that experience and answer questions that you

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have for in the live chat,
as well as some questions that I'm going

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to have for Well, without any
further ado, let's bring her in here

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now. Donna, thanks so much
for coming back. Hi thank you for

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having me back. Oh you know, you're welcome. We appreciate your time,

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Donna. For anyone who missed last
week's show, please give us a

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brief bio on yourself. Oh okay, yeah, I'm in my sixties.

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I had a lifetime of paranormal experiences. This one was the one that was

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really really scary. I got used
to them, I got used to be

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having so many weird things happened that
I was like, oh okay, it's

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just another weird thing. So I
got to the point where I wasn't really

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afraid anymore but of things. But
this was what happened to me there in

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southern California was very, very terrifying, and it was something that I hadn't

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ever experienced before. Also, and
otherwise that's about I love the animals,

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all animals. There's probably no animal
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cats and dogs. You know your
average pets. Well that makes two of

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us. I love animals too,
So I get it. I do do.

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A lot of people who were listening
to the show. I'm not sure

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if they thought that that was going
to be it, that you wouldn't be

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answering any questions, but there's been
a lot of anticipation about you coming back

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on to actually do this, So
I don't think you can appreciate how much

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this is meaning how much this means
to a lot of the listeners out there.

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Like I said, I really do
appreciate you coming back. But before

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we get into these questions, Donna, for those people who might have missed

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last week's show, can you give
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you had that encounter so those people
who missed it last week and understand what

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you've been through. Okay, So
back in November of nineteen ninety nine,

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my husband and I, Paul and
I went to work at a place in

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southern California and stayed in a guest
house and for the we were there for

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around six months. And there's a
lot of stuff that happened there, and

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slobber on the on the windows and
tapping and knocking on the windows and rattling

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of the doors and which, oh
you know, and I guess you call

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it. I've always called it telepathy, but I guess nowadays they call it

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mind speak. There was some mind
speak that went on, and I'm kind

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of culminating into the situation where the
documents stuck his arms through that, you

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know, the claws through the window
at me, and so in the bathroom,

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so that it kind of all built
up to that. But prior to

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that we had kind of figured it
must be haunted or something. But that

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was kind of that was kind of
the story, kind of in a nutshell.

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I yes, you came on last
week's episode of My Paranormal Experience.

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It was episode one zero two,
and you chronicle all these paranormal experiences you've

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had. But from what you said, that doesn't even scratch the surface of

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all these paranormal experiences you've had over
the years. But you made it perfectly

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clear when you're talking about all these
experiences, Donna, that they didn't really

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frighten you because of the volume of
paranormal experiences you've had. For this dog

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man experience to frighten you the way
it did, though, it must have

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been something because you talked about that
one time when you were laying in your

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bed and you felt this ghostly hand
put its You could feel that hand on

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your thigh from some type of a
spirit or a ghost, and you just

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basically rolled over and went back to
sleep. Anyone else would have lost their

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mind, would have run through a
wall to get out of that house,

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but not you. It happened more
than once. It happened several times in

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my life when something got in bed
with me. I laid down on the

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bed and accidentally laid on top of
someone or something and it, you know,

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kind of squirmed out from underneath me. It was human size, not

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like a like I said, on
a mouse or or a spider. No,

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it was. But yeah, I
had so many of those that finally

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got to the point when when an
entity would come and sit down because they

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were nothing like suckubas, nothing like
incubus, nothing, nothing like that,

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nothing attacking me in in that way
or anything. It just like was there.

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So yeah, that of course when
it first happened, it was terrifying.

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In the first few times after that, I thought, well, they

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don't hurt me. If they were
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hurt me by now, so they
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so I'll just ignore them. You
realize that I'm sure that was a compensation

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device, but yeah, that's a
logical way of thinking. They had every

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opportunity to harm you by they never
did. So it's good you notice that.

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Like I said, well, they're
not wastpening any time. In the

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live chat, Don, I've got
the first question already for you posted.

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That question is from Violence Make Me
Cry, and they want to know was

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Donna going through turmoil in her life
when she had her experiences at the time

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of my experiences, No, I
was very happy. Paul and I were

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like peas and carrots. I mean
we were really happy the whole thirty years

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that we were together. We were
happy. There was no turmoil. We

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we just we enjoyed each other and
we had I mean, it was a

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good job, making really good money
for the time, and I didn't have

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any turmoil at the time. Yeah, I didn't think, and then I

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could not. I didn't think you
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ideal, So I was pretty sure
the answer to that question would be no.

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I'm wondering, Donna. You were
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when it reached in the window for
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high also, but how high was
that window sill off the ground? Oh,

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we see, I'm five foot two, so it would have to have

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been seven feet. You would have
to I would have had to get on

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a chair or a ladder to get
up to it, because the outside of

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the landscape went downhill. As you
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it went down you walk downhill,
so it was kind of up on those

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stansions whatever you call him. I
would think that it was probably seven feet

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it was, yeah, because if
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to look a way up at it. It was pretty high. That's why

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I even made it weird too.
There's even scary thought of something being be

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enough to do that. Oh,
I'm sure it was frightening. If that

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window sill was about seven feet off
the ground outside and the arms were reaching

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in the window. Were the arms
reaching up to get into the window to

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reach through the window, or did
the arm seem to be level, like

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it was tall enough just to reach
straight in. I'd have to say tall

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enough to reach straight But it was
like they were up like in a posture

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of you know, like you like
you know how you do to like when

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you're cheasing somebody or going to eat
you and you got your your hands kind

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of cringed outward and you got your
arms forward. It was like that,

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So I could see part of the
arm for sure, So I guess it

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was kind of in, you know, in that posture that it could have

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reached on in without any trouble knots. We're halfway halfway to the elbow in

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So yeah, I I don't think
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long ways to reach. I was
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because I'm right now I'm lifting my
arm up and trying to put it

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in that position. Yeah, I
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my shoulder pretty high to get my
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say it was yeah, where the
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was. Oh that's a weird thought. Oh gosh, because I just lifted

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my arm to kind of do that
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me realize just how just how tall
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been at least nine feet tall,
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the shoulders on it are definitely quite
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top of its head. So yeah, that's not a comforting thought. I've

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got another question for you, Donna
from Oh well, no matter how big

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it was, it clearly didn't want
to get you had all these opportunities,

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and it could have grabbed you that
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like we talked about, it was
just doing that for effect. I've got

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another question for you. It is
from Roger Nelson, and Roger wants to

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know, Hi, Vic and Donna, did you see the dog man's face

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or just the pause, just the
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ridstep about halfway to the elbow and
the pod claus. They looked like,

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oh gosh. I kept drawing them, trying to get it down, and

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it was they were just freaky.
But no, I didn't see the face.

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It might have been crouching because I
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was seeing the reflection in the mirror, so it might have had partial but

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I did. All I saw with
my naked eyes was those huge claws,

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this horrible, scary, decrepit looking
things. You made some sketules, and

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I didn't see the face. I
was going to ask you about that,

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because for some people it's better not
to know, For other people it's better

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to know. Alfred Hitchcock was well
known for his thrillers, taking advantage of

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that when he made Psycho, for
example, he tried to show as little

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of Anthony Hopkins as possible. Was
it Anthony Hopkins, No, not Anthony

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Hopkins. Yeah, Perkins was the
killer. He tried to show Anthony Perkins.

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Anthony Perkins, Anthony Perkins. He
tried to show as little of Anthony

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Perkins as possible when he was a
killer in that movie in Psycho, because

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he knew that you're never going to
be able to top a person's imagination just

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imagining what that killer is actually doing
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or doing in other situations. But
if you actually show it, then that

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takes away some of the imagination,
and for most people that kind of lessens

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the fear of the moment. But
yeah, that's why I'm saying that for

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a lot of people, not being
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to would have made that even worse
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seen the dog man. So Aulay
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feelings were on that at the time. Like I said, at the time,

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I didn't know what I was looking
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I was in my own brain.
I was trying to figure out what the

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heck a wolf a werewolf would have
to do with a haunting, because up

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to that point, Paul and I
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haunting because of all the other things
that happened. But later on, when

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I realized that it was a dog
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the face. I don't know what
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face. I have no idea how
I would have how I would have I

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don't even know if I could have
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Maybe that's why I was spared to
have to see it. Well,

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I'm glad you didn't find out how
you would have handled it. Thank Goodness

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for that. Yeah, I don't
think. I probably would have fainted and

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Paul would have walked in and found
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Yeah, might have been, that
just might be. I've got another

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one for you from George Scott,
and George didn't type his question in all

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caps. Please type any questions for
Donna and all caps so I don't miss

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them. I almost missed George's question. George wants to know do you have

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nightmares about dog men or do you
have good dreams about them? Or both

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nightmares. I've never had a good
dream about a dog man. I've had

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nightmares. I have never had a
good dream. Usually the nightmares are are

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it's kind of leaning like behind a
wall, just peering out from behind a

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wall, watching me wake up,
and I realized, it's just a dream.

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But it seems so realistic. When
I'm dreaming it, it seems so

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realistic. But of course when I
wake up, I'm like, Okay,

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thank god, that was only a
dream, because it's like they're just like

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leaning up against a wall and you
can just see its face, and in

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my dreams, it always looks like
a German shepherd, you know, standing

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standing up right. But yes,
I have had a lot of nightmares about

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it, but no good dreams.
I never petted it or played ball with

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it or said, come on boy, you're a good boying nothing. What

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was the last time you had about
dog men? I had? What about

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when time I had a dream?
When was the last time you had a

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nightmare about dog men? Probably in
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in the last month just before I
decided to contact you, when it was

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going through my mind that I really
wanted to you know, I was questioning

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whether or not to bother you,
or whether maybe my experience wasn't worthy of

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bothering you because you're such a busy
person and you help so many people.

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I didn't want to be intrusive,
and I thought, well, maybe mine

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is not, you know, but
but I was thinking of contacting you and

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him homming about it. And that's
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dream bother me. No, no, no, no such thing. That's

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what I'm here for. And I'm
elated that you reached out to me.

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Yeah, thank goodness you did.
Oh, definitely, you're welcome. I've

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got another question for you, Donna, from Penelope, and Penelope wants to

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know, Donna, how do you
evercome daily fears after this experience? Oh

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that's an easy one because because I'm
very spiritual and I have like an ongoing

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conversation all day long with God,
like all day like I wake up,

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good morning God, and I walk
through my day like, oh, you

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know, if I'm walking out to
the trash I'm talking about, you know,

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like people would think I'm just talking
to myself, but I consider it

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talking to talking to God. And
then it's I never say amen, like

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some people say you know, sit
down and pray and then say amen.

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I don't do that. I just
have a regular ongoing conversation like I'm having

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with you, or like I would
have with anybody. And then if I'm

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not taught, I don't say amen, because I don't figure that it's closed.

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It's always an open ended thing.
And I feel that having that kind

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of a relationship helps me to be
able to cope with things like That's the

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only way I cope when Paul passed
away. That's the only way I was

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able to cope. I can't cope
any other way. I'm not trying to

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push religion on people, but I
just don't know how people that don't have

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that cope, because that's the only
way I can think. I would go

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crazy. I'd be to be the
same asylum. I'd be scared all day

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every day. And I do look
around. Don't get me wrong. It's

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not like I'm some bravado person that
I mean. I still do look over

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my shoulder. I still do do
that. I'm comfortable sometimes when I'm outside,

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and I don't ever go outside after
dark, after sunset or before sunrise.

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So I mean, I still have
the apprehension and some anxiety, But

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I don't live my life thinking well, I mean, actually, yeah,

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there's times I think, well,
any you know, maybe I'll see something

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or maybe something will happen. But
I don't live my life in daily fear

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that that's something that I'm going to
see one I have. I don't know

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how to explain it. I do. It is in the back of my

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head, what if I saw one? What if I saw one? And

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what if one showed up here?
But I'm always praying. That's the only

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way I can cope with it.
I think that's wonderful, that's great.

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If you did see another dog man, do you think you would remember to

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cry out for help from Jesus or
do you think you'd be so panic that

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you'd forget to do that. I
wouldn't forget Jesus, no way. I'd

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be like, I'd be screaming his
name. I'd be like, welly or

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Lord Lord, Yeah, okay,
one's here. Once I would be telling

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him that, like what's here?
Like what's her? Lord? Sometimes I

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make jokes with God, like I'll
say something, I'll say, oh,

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as if you didn't know. I'll
be telling him something and I'll say,

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oh, sorry, as if you
didn't know, you know, like I

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would be like, yeah, I
would be calling out then, Yeah,

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I'd definitely be calling out the name
of Jesus, absolutely, and I'd be

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very happy that I talked to him
a lot before, you know, like

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like you know, like I said, talking to God all day. Because

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you know, if you never never
pray and you never have a conversation with

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God and then all of a sudden
one day you need him, you got

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kind of a guilty conscience because you're
calling out somebody that you've been ignoring for

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your life. But for me,
I would be thinking, well, thank

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God, I have a conversation with
you. I know who you are,

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and I know you're watching out for
me, so hey, look over there,

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take it away, please take it
away. But but I would also

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think that there must be a reason
for it. I always think, okay,

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there must be a reason for this
or that when something happens. I

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always look for the reason. It's
just me. No, that's a good

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practice. I'm glad you do that. I am Well, I'm not sure

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if I should read Mike Surta's question
or not, because he's stealing a question

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already had prep to ask you.
No, I think it's a good question

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and happy to ask it. Mike
wants to know, has Donna ever played

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with a Wigi board? Oh boy, that's a story for my paranormal experience,

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and it says is this really deep? And yes I did. And

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I actually had people giving me wija
boards. I mean not like one time

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we were at the SWAT meet walking
along and somebody saying, hey lady,

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hey lady, and I turn around, I'm supposed to give this to you,

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and it was Aligi board and I'm
like, oh, gee, thank

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you. I mean, yeah,
I was being chased by Weegi boards and

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I had I had a stack of
them in my clock and in my hallway

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closet, and yes I was,
and then I had a an experience.

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Wise, I don't know if I
should share it years save it from my

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paranormal experience if I ever do another
one of those. But what do you

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think? Should I just go ahead
and share it if you don't mind sharing

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anything? All meanings, And also
if you're willing to come back on and

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record another episode of my paranormal experience
with me, that'd be great. I'd

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love to bring you back on and
do that as well. But as far

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as tonight show goes, Yeah,
if you don't mind sharing that experience with

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the Wuiji board, now, please
do. Okay. This was back when

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I was married to a man named
Richard who has also passed away, and

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we were living in Bakersfield and this
particular night I had men called to do.

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There was some rich people who contacted
me. They were going to do

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she was doing a big party for
her husband for their like fiftieth anniversary or

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something, and they were gonna have
all these little things going on. And

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they asked me if I would come
for the evening and like do fortunes for

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people. And I'm like, oh, you know, that would be that

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would be fine, And they said
we'll pay you and we'll also put a

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little basket there so people can tipu
and I'm like that's fine, which I

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was doing that through the out the
evening, I had long you know,

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it's really funny. They had stripper
there and my line was longer, and

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I thought, well, people would
rather hear about themselves and watch some beautiful

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women up there because people are curious
about themselves. I thought that was kind

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of funny. But anyway, at
the end of the night, I was

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exhausted, just so exhausted. So
it was like about one o'clock in the

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morning and we went home and a
friend of mine named Carol had called me

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and said, oh, she wanted
to get on the wig and I was

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like, I'm so tired. And
she's like, please, please, can

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we do it tonight? And I'm
like all right, So she came over.

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Well, I had a familiar spirit
on the Ouiji board that I called

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by name, who I always asked
for. And I will not say his

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name because I promised the Lord Jesus, I promised God in heaven I will

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never speak that name and I never
have again, and I never will.

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But I called for that one and
he didn't show up, and I'm like,

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where is the So this other one
came on and I said, well,

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who is this and he said who
he was? He's his name?

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And I said, well where is
so and so? And this other spirit

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said he's eating and I'm like,
oh, what do spirits eat? And

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the answer was energy and I'm like, oh, well that makes sense,

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spirits see okay. I said,
so he's not available tonight and he said

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no, but I'm here and I'm
like, okay, well all it was

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said in it entered my body literally, and if anybody out there who's ever

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had a shot from the doctors of
any kind of thing, that when they

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put the needle and they shoot,
you literally can feel it travel into your

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body and you can feel it traveling
in your veins. It was like that

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each one of my fingertips that was
resting on the planet chat, each one

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of my fingertips felt that go into
me, and it went in through my

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fingertips all the way up to my
shoulders until it was completely inside of me.

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And then I realized, I'm done. This is the end for me,

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because I realized now I'm possessed and
I can't get it out. And

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so I was trying to tell Richard
and Caroline, we have to get out

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of here, but all they could
hear me saying was I'm so tired,

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Please help me to the bed.
So then Caroline, being very intuitive,

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said just a minute, and so
she walked towards the bedroom door. She

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opened the bedroom door, looked in, she slammed the door, and came

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running back and said Richard, let's
go, let's go, Let's get her

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out of here. And Richard literally
had to pick me up I mean literally

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had to carry me out the door
and out to the car, and Richard's

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driving and he's driving around in circles, going what do we do? What

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do we do? And Caroline was
like, we just got to keep praying

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and praying. And I'm the whole
time I'm praying, Lord, please forgive

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me, Please forgive me. I
swear I will never touch another ready board

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as long as I live. I
will burn them, I will crush them.

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I will never ever ever do this
ever again. Please please. And

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there was a church there in Bakersfield
that was like a church of the Opener.

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It's like they had a garden open
in the middle of the night like

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that, and it had like a
little water fountain stuff in it, and

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so Richard pulled on in there,
and you know, in my mind,

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I'm thinking, this is this how
people wind up in the insane asylum.

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Are they forced to do and say
things against their will and they don't know

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how to say what's really wrong with
them, and so they wind up getting

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put in the nut house or something
or jail or something. And I was

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really thinking this was the end of
me, but I just kept praying and

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praying. Well, so Richard pulled
into the to the church parking lot,

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and and they got me into the
into the garden, and the three of

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us were on our knees. There
was Carol to my Carol to my left,

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and myself and Richard to my right, and we were and this is

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where it really gets weird. I
mean, it really gets weird now because

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before this, I had no regard
for the for the Virgin Mary. She

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was just the gal who evidently was
the one who got you know, who

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had the who had the Lord.
But I didn't think that she was an

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important part of the whole thing.
But this changed my mind because there was

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a statue of the Virgin Mary above
the fountain. And as I was praying,

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desperately praying for deliverance because I knew
what was going on. I knew

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I was demon possessed, no doubt
in my mind, I'd been possessed.

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And I looked up at the statue
and this statue became palaful. I mean,

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bear in mind, this is like
nineteen, you know, seventy nine,

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so it's not like, you know, they had technology and stuff,

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you know, this statue became very
soft and palatable, and the face she

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opened her eyes and she looked at
me and she smiled at me, and

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then she closed her eyes and became
a statue again. And at that very

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instant it went wh I just failed
to leave my body in a flash,

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just plus right out of me,
and I all of a sudden was filled

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with this piece that I can and
even describe or it was the most It

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was complete and total peace, and
it filled me up like water being poured

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into a vessel. This piece filled
me up, and and then I just

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breathed and I said, it's gone. And then Carol said, it's in

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front of me. Keep praying.
So we kept praying until we finally got

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got up and we all went back
to the car. And It's crazy was

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that the next day I was well. It was actually still the same.

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It was all within the night.
In the morning, we went into Farmers

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John Farmer John's restaurant they had there
for pancake house and stuff, and the

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three of us went in there and
we were the only ones. The waitress

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came. There was a guy sitting
at the counter. I guess he was

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a dishwasher bus guy, you know, And there wasn't anything going on,

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so he was just sitting there talking
to the waitress and we walked in,

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and so the waitress came over to
take care of us, and she put

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out four cups and we were like, there's only three of us, and

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she goes, well, what about
your friend? And we're like what,

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And I said the lady that was
with you guys, And we're like,

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there's an old lady. She goes, yeah, four of you walked in

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together, and she went to the
bathroom and you guys came to the table

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and I'm like, we're just looking
at each other. And then the guy

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at the counter swiveled his chair around
and says, that was your guardian angel.

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You've got an angel following you.
You've got an angel protecting you.

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And for a while after that,
I felt the thing from time to time,

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watching from a distance, like maybe
waiting for an opportunity to at me.

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But I had sworn to the Lurd
Jesus with all my heart and soul

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that I would never ever ever touch
another one of those things, that I

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would never utter the name of either
of those entities ever again, so long

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as I would live, and I
haven't. And there was even a person

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who asked one time if they could
store some stuff here and I said sure,

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and we put it in the shed. And then one day I went

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in there and I looked over at
one of their boxes. I was a

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Wigi board sticking out of it.
I took it out and I threw it

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way out and I called him and
said, hey, you can store anything

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you want here, but no wigi
boards allowed to cross this new They're not

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allowed on the property. And I
threw your board out there, and he

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said, that's okay, that's okay. So anyway, so that next day,

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you know, we Caroline had a
friend and he came over and we

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broke down. I stayed in the
car. Richard and him. They've got

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every wigie bird out of the house
and broke them all up. And we

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went way out in Niles Boulevard,
way way out past the Bakersfield Raceway and

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dug a hole and buried him and
we stood. We buried those broken up,

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chipped up old Oigi boards in the
deep in the ground, and then

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we stood in a circle and prayed
and thank God for the deliverance and never

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touched one. And Pete, I
hear people tell me, oh, Donnie,

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it's okay. You know, you
can use it for this purpose of

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that. No, no, don't
do it. Don't touch one. I

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swear. If I see one at
the yard sale, oh buy it,

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just to bring it home and break
it up and throw it in the dumpster,

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just keep it out of the hands
of people. And they're bad.

410
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:59,480
They're so bad. After an experience
like that that would put you off of

411
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:04,199
them. Do you think there's any
connection between what reached its arms through that

412
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:12,880
window bathroom window, and that entity
that possessed you. No, I don't

413
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:20,000
know, because you know, you
can get discernment of spirits, and I

414
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,559
I feel that I have. I
think everybody has the ability to have discernment

415
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:28,800
of spirits, but I think they
just don't tap into that ability. But

416
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:37,920
it's something that I I can,
and so I can sense the difference between

417
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:46,000
entities like oh, this is a
this or that's a that. There's spirits

418
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,079
out there that are not necessarily evil. They're just lost or they're wandering or

419
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,960
this or that, but they're not
necessarily evil. I mean, I was

420
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,880
brought up to believe that everything that
went bump of the night was a demon

421
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,320
from hell, but I I since
changed my mind, and I could discern

422
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,679
the difference, and there was definitely
a notable difference. Definitely a notable difference

423
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:14,440
between what I would consider so and
so on the Ouiji board. It wasn't

424
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,000
the same one. And that one, by the way, that was the

425
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:23,440
one that had possessed me back then, has never come back since since ever.

426
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:31,360
That probably for gosh forty. I
mean, I was a young woman

427
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,639
in my early twenties and this thing
has never ever, It's been banished forever.

428
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:44,960
So no, I don't think anything
that's happened to me was related to

429
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:49,679
that. I mean, I mean, I think when you do a wigi

430
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,960
board, you can I mean,
you're open yourself, you're opening a window,

431
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,519
You're opening a door to whatever I
do. I do believe that,

432
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,519
and you're not necessarily going to Uh, I'm going to get an evil person

433
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:06,559
every time, but you're you're always
they can always come in and then will

434
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:13,320
take any opportunity to come in.
But I feel that there's so much of

435
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:20,199
the spirit, the Holy Spirit in
around me that that particular entity isn't coming

436
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:29,800
back. I think the dog Man
was Yeah, I sure hope you're right

437
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,880
and it doesn't come back, But
I guess time will tell. I've got

438
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,440
a really good question for you.
Yeah, that makes two of us.

439
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:44,920
I've got another good question for you
from Raoul and Raoul wants to know was

440
00:37:44,920 --> 00:38:00,280
there any smell coming through the window. I don't remember a smell. I

441
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:07,719
don't I don't remember smell. There
was. There was always fragrance around there

442
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,599
because there was so many There was
roses bushes growing up. That's another thing.

443
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,199
How can something get through all those
thorns? I mean you have to

444
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,400
kind of go, like if I
was going to go up to a window

445
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:21,480
there, I'd have to kind of
rustle through the thorn bushes. You know

446
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:24,159
that it's hard to even go and
you know, reaching and pick a rose,

447
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,320
let alone pusher way up to this. So there's always a fragrance of

448
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:36,920
roses and stuff. But I don't
remember any smell that I would attribute to

449
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:43,960
that creature. That's a good point
about the thorns. But these guys,

450
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,920
for some reason, just don't seem
to be affected by them. They go

451
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:52,199
through the nastiest thorns, seem to
be totally unaffected. So yeah, that's

452
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,840
not unprecedented. That's pretty much the
norm. I've got another good one for

453
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,599
you from Scott Lee and Scott wants
to know, donno what would you do

454
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:13,559
if you have another encounter with the
dog mayet, I need you. You

455
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,760
know where I'm at, I'm right
here, help me. Yeah, I

456
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:23,920
wouldn't. I'd definitely be crying out
to the Lord. I wouldn't just entertain

457
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:32,039
it or say hey, hi there, docment how you know. I of

458
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:37,000
course, you never really know what
you'll do in a situation unless you're in

459
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:43,199
the situation. But I can I
can only guess that I would be like,

460
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:45,760
well, or you know, like, dang, I knew this was

461
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,320
gonna happen. Dang it, jeezus
helped me, it happened, you know,

462
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,599
something like that. But no,
I don't want it to happen.

463
00:39:54,639 --> 00:40:00,199
Everyone has a plan until they get
hit. Yeah, my plan is right,

464
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,559
that's a good plan. I've got
another one for you from Paul E.

465
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,119
Fields. And Paul wants to know. Does the guests believe that the

466
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:15,920
good dog men try to keep humans
protected from the bad ones at all times?

467
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:28,360
Do I think that? Well,
you know, I think there's probably

468
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:37,639
amiable dog men out there. There
probably are, and just like anything else,

469
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:45,280
I mean, I haven't encountered one, but I can imagine that,

470
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:49,679
just like any other creature, you
could have good or bad, good and

471
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,559
bad in every creature, you know, you might And I mean, since

472
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,880
they're K nine, they've got it. They've got to have some kind of

473
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:08,079
teenas are naturally protective creatures. And
I mean I would think that that's a

474
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,960
possibility. And I don't know.
I mean, I can't say for sure.

475
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,199
Nobody knows, nobody has answers like
that, but I think it's a

476
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:21,960
possibility that if one felt amiable towards
you, it would be protective if there

477
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:23,760
was a nasty dog man trying to
come around you. Yeah, I could

478
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:30,360
see that, you know, just
like if you have a dog and another

479
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,599
dog is going to come and get
you, your dog is going to protect

480
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:37,960
you. So I imagine that's possible. I think it'd be possible. Yeah,

481
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,239
you're right. All we can do
to answer that is just yes,

482
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,000
there's no way to know for sure, but that is a really good question.

483
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,719
And speaking of that, I've got
another one from Jessica Boyles and Jessica

484
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,079
wants to know. Hey, Vic
and Donna, has your dog me an

485
00:41:54,159 --> 00:42:02,880
experience affected how you feel about large
breed dogs. No, No, I

486
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,880
love dogs. The people that lived
there for years and years, there was

487
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,000
no neighbors. And then when we
got neighbors, I was like, oh,

488
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,239
no neighbors. Been out here for
twenty nine years, no neighbors.

489
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,599
Now I'm gonna have neighbors, right, And they turned out to be the

490
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,119
best best neighbors you could ever think
of. And they got a rot whiller

491
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:30,519
over there comes over and visits me
sometimes. I love them. No,

492
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,199
I don't have any anything. No. I love dogs, big dogs,

493
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,239
little dogs, in between dogs.
Yeah, I love dogs. There's no

494
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,199
problem with that. In fact,
I had a big dog, well not

495
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,800
a real big dog, but my
dog, who passed away a couple of

496
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:54,559
years ago was. In fact,
I actually had two. One of them

497
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,440
was like a German shepherd's mix I
called a kite. She had one blue

498
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:07,960
eye when brown eye. And then
and she died on Saint Patrick's Day of

499
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:14,400
twenty twenty one. And then dog
Dog died. I just called him.

500
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:20,800
Dog Dog died on my birthday twenty
twenty two. So yeah, holidays.

501
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,800
Why do you think has happen on
holidays? Yeah, that's rough. I

502
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,719
was not. It doesn't affect my
love for dogs. And I'm not afraid

503
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,360
of German shepherds just because you know, dog men look kind of like German

504
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,320
shepherds don't do me. No.
Yeah, what's extra tough is when you

505
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,360
own a black German shepherd and have
a dog man encounter. I can understand

506
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,800
how that would freak a lot of
people out to have dogs like that,

507
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,559
but thank goodness, you weren't affected
that way. Well, I think I've

508
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,480
got almost what would qualify as being
the question of the year here for you

509
00:43:55,679 --> 00:44:01,960
from Penelope. Penelope wants to know
Donna's faith is interesting. I'd be interested

510
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:07,239
in knowing if she believes if dog
men are created by God or something else.

511
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:16,320
Well, yeah, I do,
because I'll tell you why, as

512
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,840
I believe everything was created. And
I don't mean that humans can't take something

513
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,000
and make it into something else.
Like you know, they can take components

514
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,199
and they can create you know,
they can make houses out of lumber,

515
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,079
and they can you know, take
chemicals and mix them in, you know,

516
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:39,039
but it still comes from an original
source. The whatever it takes to

517
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:47,719
make it comes from an original source. So and I don't think that these

518
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,159
things have been around for I mean, there's a lot of people I've heard

519
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:59,440
that some kind of conspiracy theories that
the government or some lab work at a

520
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:04,039
decrea these things, But I don't
think they would have been around, you

521
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,639
know, when like Joan of Arc
was on the planets if that were the

522
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,280
case. They just they've been around
for hundreds of years, even thousands of

523
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,599
years from some reports and some records, so them, they've been around too

524
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:20,519
long not to be a natural part
of the of the planet. So I

525
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,480
think that they were created. I
think that they pro create. They have

526
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:30,880
dog man puppies probably, and and
there's female dogmen and male dogmen and they

527
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,920
mate and everything. I mean,
I'm pretty sure they were created and they

528
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:43,639
just haven't been a part of our
reality because when they were seen, you

529
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:49,239
know, way back and then in
the Old Country. Of course they were

530
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,920
seen here by Native Americans before Western
civilization got here. But even back in

531
00:45:54,039 --> 00:46:01,360
Europe they were seen, but they
were interpreted differently, and then eventually they

532
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:10,119
just became mythology and scary stories.
But then I don't think that they're making

533
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:15,199
a comeback. I just think that
they were already here and that they were

534
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:22,039
created and they h We just know
about it more because we got the Internet

535
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,840
and people can talk to each other
from all over the world. People who've

536
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,440
never met can start talking about it, and now everybody's like, wow,

537
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:31,519
these things, and I think they're
new. I think they were always here.

538
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,760
It's just that if you saw one
a hundred years ago, you're going

539
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,679
to ohhh, what was that,
and you're going to keep it to yourself,

540
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,119
and you don't want to tell anybody
what you saw because you're going to

541
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:46,159
be put in the looney bin.
But now it's people are open and free

542
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,679
to say it. But I think
they've been here, and I think they

543
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:57,800
were created to do whatever it is
they do. Like any Probably they're probably

544
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:05,480
predators because you know, I mean
lions are predators. They're probably an apex

545
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:09,960
predator, just like a pack of
wolves or a tiger. I mean,

546
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:19,119
God didn't make every single creature to
be as gentle as a lamb, you

547
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,519
know. So I don't understand them. We workings of creation, but I

548
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:30,920
believe in creation. I just don't
think nothing came from nothing. Something doesn't

549
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:37,000
come from nothing. Yeah, I
think they're created. I do. I

550
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:40,960
like the way you think my opinion. You make some really good points.

551
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,280
I mean, yes, we do
have the technology now in my opinion,

552
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,880
to make test two dog men,
but like you said, that definitely doesn't

553
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,480
explain how there were encounters back in
the eighteen hundreds, which there have been

554
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:57,920
documented cases of people seeing them back
then. Well, yeah, if we

555
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,960
didn't have the technology back then to
make them in a test tube in a

556
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,840
laboratory back then, and that means
they must have been here with us the

557
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,320
whole ride. Basically nowadays, I
think you probably have both versions, ones

558
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,760
that have been here the whole time, and then a version that was created

559
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,559
in a test tube some place.
But you can't explain the whole phenomenon by

560
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:22,079
saying, yeah, they were just
made by men, because for the reasons

561
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:28,639
you highlighted, that just doesn't fit, doesn't work when those arms reached through

562
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,840
that window, Donna, I can't
remember if you mentioned this last week on

563
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,519
last week's show or not, but
what color did you say? They were?

564
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:50,719
Oh? Brownish dark deep dark brownish
chet kind of I don't know what

565
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:58,320
you call that, just dark dark
brown, like like the like German shepherd

566
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:06,960
color. How German shepherds like how
it comes dark almost like a black,

567
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:12,400
but it's comes out brown when like
when the sun it's like the chips or

568
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:19,119
something are brownish target But it was
sparse because the hair that I actually saw

569
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:24,239
because the palms were more human like
the palms were. The palms didn't have

570
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:30,159
hair, but I could see strands
like where the where from the wrist where

571
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,679
it came down the arm from the
wrist in the back of that, because

572
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,159
I really I didn't get a look
at the back of the hands because they

573
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:45,199
were facing in the position to you
know, grasp, so they were coming

574
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:51,920
towards my, my, towards the
back of me, So I saw more

575
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:57,280
of the palms, but you could
see sparse, sparse strands, you know

576
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,679
how you can see that sometimes,
you know, But yet I couldn't get

577
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,199
a really good look at the fur
until you got down around the wrists and

578
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:13,800
stuff, and then it got more
prominent. But still it was like it

579
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:22,400
wasn't completely covered. It wasn't completely
covered with fur. It I imagine the

580
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:28,159
back of the arms were completely covered
with fur, But as it came around

581
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,159
to the fore, around to the
inner arm and the wrist, it was

582
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:37,079
it was more sparse, so you
couldn't really get a grasp of specific coloring

583
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,760
other than just some kind of dark
brown. That was a really good description

584
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,880
of what you saw. But a
picture is worth a thousand words. And

585
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,880
speaking of that Donna, you sent
me two sketches you made of what you

586
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:54,159
saw that night reaching in the window. I'm going to post those now on

587
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:00,840
the YouTube version of Tonight Show,
and if you can see it posted,

588
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,960
please go in as much detail as
you can about what we're looking at here.

589
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,800
Oh okay, see how it's kind
of human like on the palm.

590
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,400
And what was really weird was when
I went over my journals all these years

591
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,280
later, because before I used to
just draw and draw and draw and drive

592
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,159
sketch them and sketch them over and
over and over again, kind of like

593
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:29,639
I was obsessed with sketching them.
And then, of course I put those

594
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,960
journals away, and I have other
journals sensitive other things, but this.

595
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,960
But when I went back and looked
at him, I was like, huh,

596
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,639
there's only three fingers and one one
a postable thumb, and I wasn't

597
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:44,119
therefore fingers, and I thought,
well, that's the way I sketched him

598
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:45,880
at the time, so that must
have been the way I perceived him at

599
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:52,599
the time. And but the reason
why the fingers look because I'm not very

600
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:59,000
good at making the in depths,
the depths of you know, dimensional in

601
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:01,639
the sketching. But it's like the
like where you bend your fingers at the

602
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:07,480
top, Like if you got your
three joints the bottom, you got three

603
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,679
joints from the bottom and your middle
joint and then your top joint on your

604
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,079
finger. I was trying to make
it so that the top joint was was

605
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:21,239
was facing forward, and in my
feeble attempt, I made my I made

606
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,400
the hand look kind of pudgy,
but it wasn't really pudgy. It was

607
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:32,920
just that that top joint was facing
inward with these long, sharp talon like

608
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,440
nails, and the thumb was you
know, yeah, I see, you

609
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:43,199
know, see what I mean about
the hair, how like on the back

610
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,039
of the thumb you could see hair
and then around the sides, but not

611
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,840
really on the palm. Yeah,
that's how it was. I think that's

612
00:52:52,840 --> 00:53:00,920
a pretty good. Yeah. Just
look, well I was trying to I

613
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,440
kept trying to perfect it. I
kept drawing them over and over again.

614
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:12,719
It was weird. They were pretty
scary looking things. Oh I'm sure they

615
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,559
were. I don't doubt that at
all. And I can't remember if I

616
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:17,519
told you this or not, Donna, but some dog men only have three

617
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:22,760
toes, so why couldn't they only
have three fingers, It would make sense

618
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:30,639
that in some cases they would.
Really Yeah, I didn't know that.

619
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:36,199
Yeah, dog men do. Oh
okay, well then I'm not okay,

620
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:42,719
Well then there it is. Oh
yeah, oh gosh, those ones.

621
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,719
Yeah, that's so scary to me. How about this picture looking at those

622
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,400
chictures, Yeah, there. I
tried to get the lines of that,

623
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:55,880
you know, like the palms,
the creases in the in the palm human

624
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:01,400
like in the you know, because
they were clenched in a you know,

625
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:06,480
like how something's coming after you and
it's going to grab you, it moves

626
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:12,599
the it moves the fingers forward in
a grabbing, clenched up, you know

627
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,719
like position. And when I try
to draw the top of the fingertips where

628
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,920
they're clenched forward, it just it
just looks like that's where the finger ends.

629
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:29,119
But that's not it's actually just not
very good drawing. But yeah,

630
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:35,000
that and it's hard to hard to
explain how those fingernails were. But they

631
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,639
were very pointed at the end,
very much like a bird's talons would stick

632
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,880
out and then come down in point, like an eagle or an owl.

633
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:52,400
But they were Yeah, you can't
see In this picture, you can't really

634
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:57,480
tell how the how long the fingers
were because I was trying to get that

635
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:04,960
effect, that dimensional effect. But
the fingers were actually kind of long,

636
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:13,920
and the nails were long and pointed
like that. That's why I thought,

637
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,400
this has to be aware with what
else could it be? Because it's not

638
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:21,639
human and it's not what else could
it be? I mean, it was

639
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:25,480
just the size of it was just
like that. That's why I was looking

640
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:29,960
at it, going what thinking it
was a haunted house, going what in

641
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,880
the world do these what the world
does this have to do with the haunting?

642
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,199
Because this is obviously the hands of
awarewoof? I mean, what else?

643
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,400
That's the only thing it looked like. And that's why I told Paul,

644
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:45,440
I mean, Paul, Paul,
there was wearew It was in the

645
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:51,400
mirror. He didn't see it,
but I kept drawing drawing it for him.

646
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:57,239
But everything but he saw the other
stuff. He saw the slab and

647
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,880
all the other stuff. He's the
only thing he didn't see what the pause.

648
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,079
But he saw everything else and he
heard everything else. He experienced everything

649
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:15,519
I experienced, except for this.
He didn't. Yeah, they were very

650
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:22,039
see how they're like coming out at
you like they're just Oh gosh, that's

651
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,880
what it was. It was so
freaky. Why would so? I mean,

652
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:34,519
it was obviously reaching. The two
thumbs were sticking out with the very

653
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:38,480
long pointy fingernails, really creepy and
just like something on the movies. But

654
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:49,840
it was real, y know.
But there has to be something about why

655
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,239
they do what they do. I
don't know why they do what they do.

656
00:56:54,679 --> 00:57:01,000
It's unfortunate. Yeah, they definitely
are real. Got another question for

657
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:07,840
you, and it is from Paul
E. Fields. Paul wants to know

658
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:19,880
does Donna believe Bigfoot and dog Man
have fights over food and territory? Hmm,

659
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:32,159
I don't no, I guess you
know, that's a really hard one.

660
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:36,679
That's a good question, But that's
really hard to think about because I

661
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:42,599
wouldn't absolutely know because I'm not a
dog Man and I'm not a big Foot,

662
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:45,400
and I'm not part of their plans, so I wouldn't know what they're

663
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,119
doing there when they're doing their thing. But I can imagine, like if

664
00:57:51,639 --> 00:58:02,079
other animals, like you know,
hyenas and ions will go and attack things

665
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:09,039
and kill them because of the territorial
thing. I think that if if Bigfoot's

666
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:16,480
encroached on their territory. They might
say, Okay, you know, you

667
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:21,360
get out of here. This is
our this is our territory. But I

668
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:28,840
don't know. I mean, maybe
maybe they tolerate each other pretty well.

669
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:34,480
Maybe. I mean because a lot
of things do you know, Like there's

670
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:40,679
that up in like where's that northern
northern Siberia where the where the guys go

671
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,639
out on them the wild horses.
They don't even have them in corrals.

672
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,280
The wild horses come in and these
guys get on them and ride them,

673
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:51,920
and the eagles go out. The
wild eagles go out and get a get

674
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,039
a wolf, and then the wolf
and the humans share I mean, the

675
00:58:55,239 --> 00:59:00,400
eagle and the woman, the eagles
and the huge humans share the kill.

676
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:07,199
But the three work together. Wild
horses, wild eagles and the nomadic humans

677
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:12,679
work together, and they have for
you know, a lot for however,

678
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:17,800
for generations work together. So I
mean I think that in nature other species

679
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:23,239
can possibly work together, and maybe
they work together, and maybe they don't.

680
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:30,599
I wouldn't really be able to answer
that too. I can only theorize,

681
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:36,599
and that's it. I could have
theories and opinions, but no facts.

682
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,519
Yeah, that's not your fault.
Unless you really studied the dog mea

683
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:45,559
phenomenon, you wouldn't have any way
of knowing. Well, I can answer

684
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:50,719
that for you in a way and
let you know that it seems like in

685
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,639
most cases dogmen and sasquatch mixed like
water and oil. But there are credible

686
00:59:55,679 --> 01:00:00,719
eyewitnesses who swear up and down they've
seen them working together. So I guess

687
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:06,320
in most cases they probably don't,
but in some cases they do. That's

688
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,000
probably the best way to answer that. And here's a question that a gentleman

689
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:15,119
named Lee typed way back that I
missed. He didn't type his question in

690
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:21,320
all caps. That question is why
didn't she turn around while looking in the

691
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:34,199
mirror? Yeah, because you know, I I wonder if that was a

692
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:42,920
protection thing, because when I was
actually looking in the mirror, my brain

693
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:52,639
was telling me that it was in
the mirror, and I just kept staring

694
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,880
in the mirror and pondering and pondering, how can this be? How can

695
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,239
this be? How can something be
inside the mirror? And it didn't dawn

696
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:07,760
on me that it was reflecting in
the mirror at that moment. I was

697
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:17,119
kind of like under spell. It
felt like I was in a whole nother

698
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:22,559
reality. Like, wow, this
is like just like Alice in Wonderlad,

699
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:28,480
something that's living inside on the other
side of the glass. There must be

700
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:35,760
a dimension. And I was I
know, that's a crazy way to think,

701
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,039
but that's exactly what I was thinking. I mean, I didn't think

702
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:45,920
to turn around because I didn't think
there was anything behind me. I thought

703
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,400
it was all in front of me, inside the glass. And I know

704
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:54,599
that there's cultures that cover mirrors and
during certain times they do, and I've

705
01:01:54,679 --> 01:02:00,119
done that myself, but put something
over a mirror that I thought was a

706
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:08,719
questionable mirror. But yeah, I
was really thinking, that's in the mirror.

707
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,719
And that's why when Paul came down
the hill, down the driveway,

708
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,320
down the hill and he came in, I was like, Paul, hurry

709
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,719
here, you look at this.
Look it's inside the mirror. But when

710
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,199
he came in the bathroom, it
wasn't inside the mirror anymore. And I'm

711
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:27,599
like, where to go? Where
to go? And I tried to explain

712
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:29,639
it to him. He said,
I believe you, it's okay. I

713
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:32,920
believe you. Just tried to calm
me down, but I wouldn't leave the

714
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:39,559
bathroom. I said, I'll just
stay in here while you shower. I

715
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:43,679
didn't want to leave because I was
afraid. I want to be next to

716
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,920
him. I don't want to be
alone. It was scary, Oh,

717
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:52,599
I'm sure it was. And I
was also Yeah, I was also thinking

718
01:02:52,800 --> 01:03:00,280
that at that point, maybe this
ghost or whatever was there might been trying

719
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,920
to send me a mess by showing
me something in the mirror and trying to

720
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,960
figure out what we would to werewif
have to do with a haunting? Now,

721
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:12,360
why would they why would they show
me wherewiff hands? I was still

722
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,440
not thinking at that moment, And
I'm glad I didn't turn around because if

723
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:23,159
I'd turn around and seen those things. Gosh, I probably would have fallen

724
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:30,039
backwards and broke the mirror with my
heavy head poop, because I would have

725
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:34,920
fallen backwards, for sure. I'm
glad i'd just turned around. But that's

726
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,679
why I didn't turn around, because
I didn't think. I really thought it

727
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:44,159
was inside the mirror. Crazy.
I'm glad you didn't realize a weird movies.

728
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:51,079
Yeah, I didn't. I'm so
glad I didn't. I can understand

729
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:57,280
why. It, you know,
obviously dawned on me later. You know,

730
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:02,360
Oh God, I know, it's
a lot. I got another question

731
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:09,599
for you, Donna from Glenn Camata, and Glenn wants to know do you

732
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:19,880
believe God intended you to have these
encounters? Yes, undoubtedly. And I'll

733
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:28,920
tell you why if you want to
know why, because I think when everything's

734
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,639
happened, like I said, I
look for the reason, like why did

735
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:36,840
this happen? And when you when
if you're a person in your life you

736
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:44,559
tell God you want to help people, you're going to have stuff happen because

737
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:49,039
you can't help somebody unless you yourself
have had something happen in your life,

738
01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:55,239
so you can relate, like like
when you had a couple of Bigfoot experiences

739
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,280
and so you can relate to the
cryptid situation. So now you can help

740
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,159
people. But if if you had
never had any experiences, you might not

741
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:11,079
be equipped to help, you know. And anytime something bad or something extraordinary

742
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:15,320
has happened in my life, I
feel like that's I'm going to have the

743
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:23,760
opportunity to help somebody else who will
also experience it and so and that goes

744
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,119
for good things too, when it's
something wonderful that happened and I can edify

745
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:33,320
another person like telling them an angel
story or give a warning against Ouiji boards

746
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:39,599
by telling them that story, you
know, or whatever. I think.

747
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:45,360
Things happen and God allows it to
happen. There's there's a verse in Jeremiah

748
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,400
thirty two you know three three Jeremiah
three three three, you know, and

749
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:53,159
it says, call into me,
and I will answer you and show you

750
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,440
great and mighty things that you know. Not the boy, is that ever

751
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:00,440
true? You have to be showning. You're going to be seen things that

752
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:03,559
nobody else ever freaking saw, and
you're going to be experiencing freaking things,

753
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:06,320
and you're gonna be going what the
heck is going on? But really,

754
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,400
you call and you ask, you're
gonna get, You're going to receive and

755
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,760
you and you asked to be able
to help people. Stuff's gonna happen because

756
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,920
you've got to experience it to know
what it's like, what it feels like.

757
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,280
And even though we can't feel exactly
what another person is feeling or going

758
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,760
through, we can grasp enough of
it to be able to help them.

759
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,440
So no, I think that,
yeah, when something happens. Now,

760
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:38,000
I always look for the reason.
If something happens to me and I wind

761
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:40,320
up going to the emergency room.
I go, Okay, why am I

762
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,800
here? And then something will happen? Aha, Now I know what I'm

763
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,000
here. There's always the reason.
That's my opinion, that's my belief.

764
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:56,639
Way I think it was supposed to
happen. I agree, I feel the

765
01:06:56,719 --> 01:07:00,199
same way. Well, looks like
we have a celebrity in the live chat

766
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:05,719
tonight, Long Island Bigfoot aka Mike
coll Antonio. If you haven't checked out

767
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:10,840
the Long Island Bigfoot channel on YouTube, hoighly suggests you do. He's got

768
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:17,159
really good content and of course Mike
is a top notch guy. I haven't

769
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:20,119
heard of him. Well, I'll
have to check him out. Yeah,

770
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:28,400
please do. Okay, that's right
on YouTube. Well, I'm going to

771
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,000
ask this one last question, Donna. Mike wants to know do you have

772
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:44,119
any belief that they wanted to or
it could have hurt you. There was

773
01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:51,440
a time when I thought they probably
might have wanted to hurt me or it.

774
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:55,880
I don't know that there was There
could have been more than one,

775
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:01,320
but I I'm assuming there was only
one in my own personal experience. But

776
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:13,559
I I don't get the feeling that
anymore that it was going to hurt me

777
01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:19,119
or intent on hurting me. When
I first realized that it was real and

778
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:23,720
that it wasn't you know that it
was a reflection. When I first realized

779
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,479
that the mirror was reflecting it and
it wasn't you know, and that it

780
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:33,520
was I thought, Okay, it
probably wanted to hurt me. And then

781
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:41,079
Paul was coming and it heard the
van coming down the drive and laughed.

782
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:49,199
But since that time, since I've
talked to you, that it could have

783
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:54,239
hurt me, but it didn't.
It could have hurt Paul too. I

784
01:08:54,319 --> 01:09:01,279
don't think it was ever gonna hurt
I don't think it. I don't think

785
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:05,439
it was going to hurt me.
I don't. I mean, I can't

786
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:10,560
say one hundred percent positive, but
if it was going to hurt me,

787
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,840
I feel like God stopped it from
hurting me. But at the same time,

788
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,760
I don't necessarily think it wanted to. I used to, I don't

789
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:23,359
anymore, because it could have hurt
me. Like the seven words, it

790
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:28,119
could have hurt me, but it
didn't, but it didn't want to hurt

791
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:32,840
me. I was within inches.
I mean, that little space between the

792
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,279
counter and the wall that the window
was on was no wider than a door

793
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:41,439
could open and shut. It was
narrow. What is that two feet wide?

794
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,520
I don't know. It's not very
very wide. And I mean it

795
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,560
could I mean, it could have
just yanked me right out the window,

796
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:56,159
grabbed a fold of my shoulders or
whatever, even grab my hair and yanked

797
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,640
me out because I have long hair. It could have. It could have

798
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:03,800
hurt me, It could have taken
but it didn't. It So either God

799
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:09,640
told either God told it you won't
touch her, or it didn't want to.

800
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:14,800
It's got to be one of those. Well I think probably maybe both,

801
01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:19,079
or maybe it just didn't want to. You're right, either one could

802
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:25,840
be the case. I could be
behind what was going on. Well,

803
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:29,359
Donna, I can't thank you enough
for coming back on to answer all these

804
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:35,920
questions for us. I really appreciate
it. Thank you. Oh, I

805
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:42,159
really appreciate you being there for everybody. Oh, You're welcome. I wouldn't

806
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:45,520
have it any of the way.
And please remember, if you ever need

807
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,199
my help, all you have to
do is just reach out and let me

808
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:51,439
know, and by all means,
we'll definitely schedule another conversation so I can

809
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:58,560
find out what's ailing you. Please
remember that, Okay, Thank you.

810
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,279
Oh you're welcome. Well, yeah, thanks again for coming back on and

811
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:08,079
have a great night. For everyone
out there listening, Thank you so much

812
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,479
for listening, and as always,
if you've had a Dogman encounter that you'd

813
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,680
like to speak with me about,
or if you'd like to just come on

814
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,079
the show and share it with everyone
listening, all you have to do is

815
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:23,680
please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and
submit a report. If you do that,

816
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I'd be more than happy to contact
you one schedule a conversation so we

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could talk about your experience or experiences. But having said that, yeah,

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thanks again so much for listening,
and have a great weekend. No