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Well off a weekend that has seen
Joe Cordina retain his title, but has

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seen a new WBC Cruiserweight champion via
a knockout. It's seen fa A Jagba

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get a knockout as a tries to
ascend into heavyweight contention. We're here to

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recap all of it on the Fight
Freach Unite Recap podcast. I am the

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somewhat competent host TJ Reeves. He's
our insider. Fight Freach Unite is his

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substack Big Fight Weekend dot Com as
well. Hello Dan Rayfield, as I

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will help as well. Let's get
into the recap mode and a nice call

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by you. Joe Cordina does retain
his IBF Junior lightweight title by decision.

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We had a booming knockout of the
champion in the co feature. So let's

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talk to Dezonne. Matchroom show from
Monte Carlos. Shall we your thoughts in

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the recap mode please? Well it
was number one. It was a pretty

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good show. Two main fights were
you know, I didn't really have much

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of a use for the two other
undercard fights. But in terms of the

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world title fights, starting with Cordina, I mean Edward Vasquez, who was

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the opponent, came in as the
hand pick guy. No real resume to

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speak of the one claim to fame
if you want to talk about it,

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claim to fame, as he had
a somewhat disputed loss, split decision to

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no I. It was a draw, I guess against ray Ford, who

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was an ascending featherweight and he's going
to fight for the vacant one of the

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vacant titles coming up, and that
was the only thing that he'd ever really

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done. But he showed himself of
taking on Cordina traveling, you know,

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coming off of that situation. No
on, he hasn't coming off that.

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He'd won, you know, three
fights in a row since he had the

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loss, I should say, the
very close split decision, ten round loss

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to ray Ford. This is in
twenty twenty two, and since then,

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you know, he's been somewhat active. He's he had had won four fights

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in a row and he got the
call for the title fight. He's a

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huge underdog. Cordina is in an
optional title defense. He's coming off of

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a very harsh, brutal, grueling, rugged fight against rock him off earlier

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in the year. No one was
looking to do any damage in they were

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putting on this nice little show in
Monaco, you know, put this on

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in front of like five hundred high
rollers. And he got the fight he

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did not expect. I don't believe, and even Joe admitted afterwards it was

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not his best night, but uh, he did get the win. It

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was close, maybe a little too
wide on the car for some to to

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the to their liking. So in
the end he wins one sixteen, one

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twelve on two cards, one fourteen
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I had it one fifteen to one
thirteen in his favor. And I've been

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reading and seeing all this lunacy on
social media that one sixteen, one twelve

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is somehow scandalous and it's just not
the case. I mean, there are

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certain fights where that could be the
case. Now he won, I felt

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like legitimately. But if you tell
me you have it six rounds to six,

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and there was no point the duckster
are knockdown, So that's just plain

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old six to six in rounds.
I can live with that eight to four

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if you're okay with seven to five. And this was not the kind of

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fight where it was definitely seven to
five. This was like there was like

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at least if you were keeping it
on paper and you were making notations about

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the rounds, there was at least, especially in the early part of the

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fight, there were at least three
or four rounds that were like real close

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rounds. So you know, two
of the judges had eight four. I

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mean, I don't love it,
but I can't quarrel whether he won the

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fight. Interesting that the judge that
scored it a draw scored the last four

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rounds for Vasquez. I did note
that, and I was putting our writer

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that was running the recap, Ricky
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His colleagues gave at least two of
the rounds to Cordina out of the final

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four. One of them gave him
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with the drown. So again I
must confess I've seen the highlights, I've

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read the recaps. Interesting again,
I love making reference to our people.

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David Payne, who I lean on
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the UK. He said Cordeina tactically, he thought fought the wrong fight.

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That's just his quick, one sentence
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this was not maybe more impressive than
it should have been. What would you

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say? I'm not sure what David
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mean, Cordina clearly was not at
his absolute best. Maybe that fight against

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Rockmuff took a little something out of
him. Maybe Vasquez is better than we

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all had expected. And as I
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talking about Edward Vasquez or any other
fighter, you can take a look at

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the record and you can measure the
number of knockouts, you can see the

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kind of punching power they have,
you can see the speed that they have,

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but you cannot measure what somebody has
in terms of their will and desire.

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And Edward Vasquez was there to try
to win this fight. He was

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not coming to lay down. He
was a huge underdog and everybody knew it

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except for him apparently, and he
did a good job. And you know,

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his his beef afterwards is he's got
two losses in his career. He's

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got a split decision to Ray fo
It on the Matchroom card, and now

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he's got a majority decision lost in
a world toit of fight in a Mattroom

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card. Now I'm not in any
way saying Mattroom did anything wrong here,

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just he's annoyed because of that situation. There was all neutral judges. There

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was no British judge, there was
no American judge. Uh was an American

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referee did a fine job, no
issues there. You know, it was

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one of those fights. It was
listen to the main thing. And I

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say this every week if you if
you took the time to watch them the

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fight, it was a good,
entertaining fight. At the very least.

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Vasquez may not have gotten the victory, but he certainly raised his stock because

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before this fight pretty much nobody ever
really had heard of him, and now

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he goes basically straight up with the
world champion. Uh. And what I

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thought was kind of interesting. You
know, most of the time you see

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these fights take place, and you
know, they have a hard fought fight,

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and maybe they talked a little shit
leading up to the fight, and

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when it's all said and done,
like you know, they hug it out.

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It's all good. There's a lot
of respect even if they're not on

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you know, you know, if
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Not the case between Joe Cordina and
Edward Vaskis. They were shit talking to

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each other in the ring after the
fight, in the interview, you know,

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calling each other, not names necessarily, but just going back and forth,

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like having their point of view.
And I thought Pardina was kind of

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funny. At one point he says, I won the fight he started.

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You know, he's holding the belt, like, hey, look what I've

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got. They gave me the belt, so you know I won. Basically,

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you know, called him sword loser, called him a cry baby,

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called him a bitch. I mean, I didn't love the sportsmanship after the

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fight, but you know what,
you go twelve hard rounds like that,

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and uh and there's a lot of
people that are split on how how that

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fight should have been scored. You
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the moment, I can't blame it. It made for entertainment. And you

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know, obviously Vasquez would like a
rematch, but that's highly unlikely. There's

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not a huge reason in terms of
the mindset of Bardina or Matchroom Boxing Eddie

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Hearn. They have other bigger fish
to fry. I guess whether it's a

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unification fight perhaps or possibly the We've
talked about a Lee Wood fight down the

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road, which would be a huge
fight in the UK. Look, Cordeina,

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he got away with one and to
the many respects, I thought he

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won the fight seven to five.
But if they had raised the other guy's

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hand, that wouldn't have been a
total shock. And you know, court,

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the thing that's interesting TJ is this, at one hundred and thirty pounds,

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you got you got some good,
interesting characters there that hold these belts,

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and if they fight each other,
you know, it will bring attention

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to them and maybe raise someone's profile. Right now, you got four distinct

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title holders, and I can't tell
you any which way which one is number

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one. We just don't know the
answer to that. Some people might say

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it was Cordeena. I don't think
they're singing that tune after last night.

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I don't think anybody's saying Attector Luis
Garcia. Although he quitted himself fairly well

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when he went up and fought against
Ravonta Davis earlier in the year, Oshaqi

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Foster is a newcomer in terms of
having the title. He just made his

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first defense very impressively. Although he
was losing the fight. He certainly came

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back and made it impressive in the
last round by knocking him out coming from

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behind to tape that victory. And
yet got Emmanuel Neverette, who has the

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big win over Oscar Valdez. But
it is still rather new to the weight

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class. And one thing I know
is if you match those guys with each

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other, maybe a star can emerge, but it doesn't appear at least in

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the immediate future unless they can make
Cordeina against Foster, which seems doable.

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We just might not know for a
while. So Cordina can say he's got

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a title and some people will look
at him as the top guy. Others

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will not. But they can make
some very exciting fights. And frankly,

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you know, Edward Vasquez lost or
not, he put himself back in the

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picture. Now maybe he'll opt to
go back down to featherweight where maybe he

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can make some Not too clear on
what his plans are, but you know,

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at the end of the day,
that was a good fight in the

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main event. I'm glad that I
took the time to watch it. All

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right, In the co feature,
Boom goes the Dynamite, but not for

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not Shinga, the South African IBF
Junior Flyway champion, instead Courriel Adrian Curiel

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with a big right hand out of
nowhere, and the fight is over all,

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right, I set it up.
Your your thoughts on this, and

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then I've I've got a quick take
on what I saw and I want some

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more insight from you. But your
thoughts. You know, it was over

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quick. Yeah, it was second
round knock. I knew was that's a

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big surprise. I mean, Don
Shinka had some heat behind him. He

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had won the vacant title at one
hundred eight pounds and what I picked is

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a twenty twenty two fight of the
year, a phenomenal fight. He came

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back. He had a good win
at home in South Africa earlier this year,

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first first out of defense. And
now he goes to Monte Carlo against

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a Mexican fighter, Adrian Curriel,
who had zero, you know, nothing

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on his record that would end the
he was anything spectacular whatsoever? Uh,

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you know, four losses, nobody, nobody really of a note on his

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record. He had one of you
know, once some fights in a row.

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Other than a technical draw. He
hadn't lost a fight, you know,

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he had like about seven wins in
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with with a technical draw in there, and even when he lost the guy,

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it's not you know, it's one
thing. We talked about losing it

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to guys, but if you're losing
to like the top guys, that's one

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thing. He's not losing to the
top guys. He's losing to like regular

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guys. The one loss against the
Olympian Joselito Velasquez, you know, that's

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like a half way reasonable loss,
I suppose. But the other guys,

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he's losing to our guys. You
never really you know, you don't really

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know a whole lot about So when
he come and and then you look at

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the record, by the way,
and he comes into the fight with with

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coming in twenty three victories, four
losses and only four knockouts. Now,

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he made the point after the fight, and it's I guess there's some you

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could put some stock in it is
he won this fight at one hundred eight

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pounds, where he scored a spectacular
knockout. He made the point that for

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a long time, for the most
part, he's been fighting mainly as a

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flyweight, and then he felt like
he's in the wrong division, and so

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he's not getting knockedouts. Now.
I understand that in the small weight classes

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the weight does make a difference,
but I am not convinced that if you

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are not a puncher at one hundred
eight pounds, I'm sorry, at one

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hundred twelve pound, you're suddenly gonna
be a puncher at one hundred eight pounds.

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I just don't I just don't buy
that. Uh, you know,

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that's just my opinion. But I
whatever think he did when he landed that

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right hand, the referee immediately within
a second or two without counting stop the

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fight. I'm just saying this,
you would be better to speak to this.

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Uh clearly non Shinga is down in
the prone position and under the ropes,

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but you're gonna go there. Well, I'm just saying he sat up,

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He sat up, and then and
then almost was able to get up

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within probably what would have been account
of like eight or nine I thought,

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did you did you think on the
on the immediate wave off that that was

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warranted. I don't know what Twitter
is saying, et cetera, but he's

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the champ. It's one punch and
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the bottom. So what do you
think that. I don't think he knew

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where he was when he got knocked
down with the right hand. The back

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of his head hit the bottom rope
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mat, and so half his body
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the ring apron, the rest of
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did sit up, but it took
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feet. Number one, I thought
the referee made the perfect call, you

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know that that there was no going
on from that fight. And if he

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does go on, honestly, I
think he's gonna get hurt and he may

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have gotten counted out. He may
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I mean that there's gonna be a
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that. As you know, I
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one, but certainly when people are
compiling their their lists per year end type

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of material, you know, in
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be on a lot of lists.
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ear, that was absolutely spectacular,
made more surprising because of the fact,

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as I mentioned, this is a
now a new title holder who had no

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resume to speak of, had no
power to speaking. Four knockouts, you

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know what, let me let's all
I mean, can we count the number

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of times you know, I'm not
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or anything because he lost one of
his champions. How many times does Eddie

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bring in a Mexican fighter that you
never heard of get upsets the Apple card?

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Curry Out did it against Anhinga.
They did it with Mauricio Lara.

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They did it. You know,
they've done it on more than one occasion.

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There have been others also. You
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they take out your champions, maybe
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But uh, I mean, it
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it was. It made it exciting
because it was one hell of an ending,

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and it was certainly it was kind
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like a little bizarre because she's waving
the fight off and Curriel is crying in

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the middle of the ring on his
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the the PA announcer. He's like
walking around, He's walking around Curiel while

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he's crying. Then incomes. It's
like the ring doctor who appears to be

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a very large human being who's now
standing next to Nat Shinga, who's not

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very big at all at one hundred
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weird ending to a booming knockout that
won a world title. It just took

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a second or two to man,
there's a lot going on here because like

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Curiel's cornerman comes over to like lift
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and on his knees. It was
wow, and give him credit. He

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got the knockout, he got a
world title out of this. He did.

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I mean, I don't. I
mean, I'm not trying to reign

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on the man's prey, and I
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But it feels like he's not going
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term champion. So people at one
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contenders will be licking their chops to
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hope for his sake that he gets
every dollar he can in his the first

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title defense, because I don't think
there's gonna be a lot of title defenses

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like that. All right, fair
enough, he can never take away that

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career making moment. Tremendously very true. Okay, in Miami, me the

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WBC vacant cruiserweight title was on the
line the Don King promoted show. Noel

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McLean did get the win. I
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the fight. I did not see
the intend It's only a three round fight.

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Give me your inside here as mcaleen
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WBC Cruiserweight champion in that main event
Saturday Night. McKellan fight a heck of

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a fight. I mean, there
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eighteen. I guess it was when
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Series and he lost a fight.
It wasn't a world title fight, but

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it was still a significant fight in
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where he lost a very close decision
to Myras Greatest. A lot of people

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thought that McKellan was the winner of
the fight. Now Greatest went on,

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you know he's now been I guess
he's won belts twice. He was lineal

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champion, considered for the last bit
number one in the weight class. Although

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you know he lost the title to
Opataia, but he had a nice run

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there and given guys tough fights.
He gave Alexander Usik probably the toughest fight

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of his career when they had a
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Series. So you know, there's
no uh. You know, McCallan is

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a good fighter. I mean,
I'll give him credit. I mean he

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it took a while to get this
matchup Macabu, you know, okay set

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it up. First of all,
the reason they're fighting for the vacant title

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is because bad Due Jack, who
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earlier this year, he's vacated and
his moving up and weight, so that

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cleared the way for the title to
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the WBC ratings war mckallian and Machabu. So Macaboo gets a chance to regain

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the title that he lost by twelfth
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bad Du Jack earlier in the year. Makabu beat him up easier because he

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knocked him down in a guinst the
second round and then knocked him down again

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in the third round. Now,
the stoppage of the fight was not great.

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I mean, it was really kind
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he got up and he got dropped
with a beautiful right hand, and he

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got He got up immediately from the
knockdown. Legs were maybe a little shaky,

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but the ref didn't even assess him
at all and just literally waved it.

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Totally different than what happened with Nonshinga, who was basically, you know,

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at least for a couple of seconds, probably out and it hit the

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head on the on the ring mat
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But that said, Macabou never looks
steady the whole fight. Macabu,

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I think, is a shot fighter
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he is older. He's now been
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He's thirty five years old and does
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need to survive against these kind of
guys in the cruiserweight division. Mccollion was

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bigger. Mckellian was faster, he's
fresher, he's younger, obviously had the

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punch and power. I thought this
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I never viewed mccallian as that kind
of puncher before. But I should have

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maybe taken into better account than lack
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because this is not the first time
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it did not surprise me. And
you know, he's he's he's a fighter

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born in Armenia, spent most of
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now was based in Miami, so
the fight was in Miami, so he

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was thrilled to do it in front
of you know, a smattering of hometown

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you know, supporters, and we'll
see I mean again, sort of like

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we just mentioned with the with the
junior lightweight division, where if you match

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the guys together, they can make
some noise and maybe make some interesting fights.

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In the cruiserweight division, you have
a sort of a similar situation.

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He got, you know, three
of the title holders now who are very

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interesting and one who's maybe not the
most interesting. And the jingior lightweight division,

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the one that's made not the most
interesting is the Hector Luis Garcia belt

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the WBA, and it's the same
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But if you look at the other
three guys, they make interesting fights

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Noel McCallion, as we saw against
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and Smith who's a popular figure and
makes good fights from the UK. He

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got Opataia, who I mentioned from
Australia, who is you know, probably

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the best of the bunch, but
certainly you know he loves a good scrap.

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He looked good in his title defense
a few weeks ago. We just

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want to hopefully see these guys fight
each other. I don't necessarily see it

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happening immediately. But mckellian look,
he did himself, He did himself proud.

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He's only got two losses and unlike
the losses that Adrian Kuril had where

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he's losing the guys that are nobody's
and then you don't really have a lot

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of respect for that resume that he's
had. At least when the previous fights

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that mckellion lost, one was to
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He could argue he won the fight
and Braidest obviously proved himself to be number

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one for a period of time in
the weight class. And the other fight

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he lost was to a former champion
from Poland, well Darzac, so that

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was a I was a split decision
that was in twenty seventeen. So the

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guy's got two losses, agains two
championship level opponents, and now he's got

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a title belt of his own.
And you know, it makes things interesting

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because he's a little bit younger than
Macabou and he's in good shape, he's

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quick with his hands. It's a
good fighter. I'll be interested to see

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what he does. I mean,
I know it's not the hottest weight class

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in the world, and it's not
sexy liked walter weights and heavyweights, and

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you know, then some of the
smaller divisions that get a lot of hype,

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like the lightweights and the featherweights and
all. But you know what,

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if you like guys who are bigger, who aren't lumbering like heavyweights, but

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still can crack a little bit,
then you know, cruiserweight has always been

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the division that's provided to entertainment,
all right, top rank ESPN card I

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did check some of this out as
well while in Houston, and FAA Jaga

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does get the TKO in the main
event over Joe Goodall, so that avenges

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the amateur loss. Raymond Mretaya also
looked very good a TKO win in the

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co feature your thoughts in the recap
mode, Dan Rayfield, with what you

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saw in Lake Tahoe, I wasn't
surprised. I thought a Jagua would knock

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him out the amateur A loss in
this particular instance really didn't mean a whole

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lot to me. A Jagua is
bigger, he's better schooled, he's got

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better technique, he's had a better
not that these fought likes killers in the

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pros, but he's got a little
bit of a better group of guys he

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has faced, although they do have
the common opponent in Stephen Shaw, where

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Goodall knocked him out and a Jagua
went the distance with him and looked terrible.

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But you know, as Kay Kroma, who was one of the trainers

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for FAA Jagua said in the post
fight interview, and it's true, and

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you know, you know, there's
a differcy in making excuses and bringing facts.

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So the act of the matter is
one of the reasons why maybe a

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Jaga has not looked that good in
recent fights, even though he has been

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winning, other than the loss by
decision of Frank Sanchez, because the man

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had elbow issues, he had surgery
around his elbow and hasn't been right for

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a while. He now, I
guess now has is right. And so

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if you have your elbow and you
and you're rely on your job, particularly

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which is gonna extend it every time
you throw it, you know that is

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now healthy. And so he's showing
the fruits of the rehab and staying fit

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and doing the things he's been doing
to prepare for these fights. I thought

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that was probably considering the stakes,
considering the main event, the status of

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the fight, considering the amateur loss
that he had taken to a Jaga was

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a big deal, considering what could
potentially be next, I thought this was

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the best that a Jaga has looked
in his entire career. I've been following

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him since the Olympics, back when
Richard Schaeffer signed him right off the bat.

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So I have followed a Jaga from
day one, and uh, you

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know, there's been times where I
wasn't sure if he would make it to

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the top. I mean, because
if you look at the guy, I

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mean, oh my god, the
guy looks like he should be heavyweight champions

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right head. A tremendous physique.
He's muscular, but not too muscular.

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You know, he's got good punching
power. He's just a tremendous athlete.

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He's got to seems like a pretty
good disposition, got a good team behind

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him. And but you know,
again, I'm not making Joe Goodall to

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be out like he's like, you
know, the top ranked heavyweight now a

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job should be you know, considered
at the elite level of the weight class

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at the moment. But that was
a very good win for him. He

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shined in a main event, and
there's gonna be opportunities for him. Like

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Bob Aram, his promoter, said
in one of the comments after the fight

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that that's the best he ever looked. I agree with Bob. It was

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a good victory. I mean,
he didn't knock good All down, but

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he basically beat the living crap at
him, at least in the final rounds

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of the fight, rounds two and
or sorry, rounds three and four,

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he was teeing off on him.
I mean, some people were also complaining

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about that stoppage. I thought that
was a perfectly fine stop. He was

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just cracking him with everything he was. He was pummeling him as bad as

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you can pummel a guy without scoring
knocked and it's a big win for a

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jogua because now he has his I
mean he said it in the pre fight.

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He didn't really go there when he
was asked about it in the post

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fight, but Zang Zalai was there
in the crowd watching the fight. Uh,

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he would like to fight Zhang Juli. And because Zang is gonna be

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the WBO mandatory for the winner of
Usik versus Tyson Fury. But you know

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they've got a rematch clauses, you
never know. You know that's gonna take

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forever to play out. So it's
not like they're gonna just have have Zang

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Juli just sit around and do nothing. Top rank, which promotes a jagua.

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They have a very strong working relationship
with Frank Warren, who is the

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promoter, the co promoter. Anyway, now for a few fights because of

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the options from the Dubois fight,
I mean from the from the when Zang

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won the fight against Jo Joyce,
are they not Dubwa that they work together

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with top Rank, They get along
very well. They could easily make that

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fight. And you know what if
you're not gonna get Fury, Usik Wilder

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Joshua tangling with each other for a
little while other than the undisputed fight.

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You know, if you take those
guys and sit them to the side,

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there's still plenty of guys who were
solid and interesting below them, and if

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they can match up, and a
Jagua is now one of those guys.

405
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Obviously, Zang Jelai is one of
them. Based on what he did against

406
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Joe Joyce, I say, bring
that on. That's a very solid,

407
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:17,759
interesting heavyweight fight to me. Don't
disagree? All right, Murataia, real

408
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:19,680
quick before we move on to some
news in nostalgia, what did you see

409
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,960
well with Maretaia? I mean,
I've been highing the guy since I first

410
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,400
saw hi when he turned pro.
I mean before, you know, I

411
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,279
would talk to like like, I've
been friends with Brad Goodman, the Matchmaker,

412
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:32,880
a top rank for almost thirty years. And when they first had him,

413
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:33,759
and you know, he didn't get
a lot of publicity, they were

414
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sort of seeing what he had.
He was winning some fights, and I

415
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,880
remember watching him. I'm like an
ESPN Plus Undercarter. Maybe I was there

416
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,319
in the arena and I saw him
box early, you know, when he's

417
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like two or three zero, And
I said to Brad, I was like

418
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,240
Hey, I said, what do
you guys thinking of this guy? I

419
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:48,880
think this guy to me, you
know, he looks like he's a real

420
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,920
prospect, and I know he was
trained by Robert Garcia, which made an

421
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,160
impression on me. And Brad has
liked him also. I think it's taken

422
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,599
the other folks at top rank a
little bit more time to come around to

423
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him, but obviously now they they
are. You know, he got this

424
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,759
position. In the co feature.
He fought a fellow undefeated fighter in Diego

425
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:08,240
Torres. They were both eighteen and
o going into this fight, and I

426
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,079
have been watching, like I said, Murtai from day one. This was

427
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,759
definitely his best performance. He looked
absolutely spectacular. He was in great shape.

428
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:22,119
He just did a perfect job of
breaking this man down and getting him

429
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,200
out of there. He won every
single round. I mean, I thought

430
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,720
he would win the fight, but
I did not think he was gonna win

431
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:32,200
all seven rounds that were completed then
stop him. It was a very very

432
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,480
strong performance from Maurtai. Now I'm
not sure he's ready to be fighting the

433
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,359
Devin Haines and the Lomachenkos and guys
like that that they was calling out after

434
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,000
the fight, But he ain't that
far away. I'm gonna tell you that

435
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,519
right now. I mean, maybe
they take a gamble and put him in

436
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,079
if they could. I'll tell you
one thing though, one of the fights

437
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:48,960
that theoretically could be made if the
other side is up for it, is

438
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,759
George Cambosis, who was with Todd
Rank. Also, that's obviously a huge

439
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,079
test of the former unified champion.
And I'll tell you right now, I'll

440
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,319
due respect to Cambosa, is why
I like, I think that Muratai just

441
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,759
beats him down in that kind of
matchup. I don't know if that will

442
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:06,240
happen, but that would be a
very good, interesting fight for both sides.

443
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:11,039
But Murthaya has put the division on
notice. I mean, I don't

444
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,880
think he's quite there yet. He
needs probably another maybe another fight, maybe

445
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,160
even two. But this guy is
going to be in the conversation in the

446
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,160
lightweight division for the next bit.
It does look like stardom in his future.

447
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,519
So there's a bunch there on the
recaps. Okay to the news,

448
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,799
let's lead. Everybody wants to know
what's next for Premiere Boxing Champions PBC.

449
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,559
A report in the Wall Street Journal
out on Friday says Netflix possibly could be

450
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:45,319
the outlet. Netflix also apparently talking
with Jake Paul and MVP Promotions Most Valuable

451
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,839
Promotions about possibly a Jake Paul fight. All Right, what do you make

452
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,599
of this? What are you hearing? What do you make of this?

453
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:55,039
Because everybody's curious what's going to end
up happening with premiere boxing champions on the

454
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:57,880
outlet. Well, in terms of
let's start with the Jake Call part of

455
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,680
that equation. First, Jake Paul
has his next fight on his Zonne on

456
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:04,920
December fifteenth, so that's just a
little over a month from now. They

457
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,400
haven't announce an oppony yet, but
that event is going to be on his

458
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,599
zone. It's going to be against
a boxer, not a MMA fighter or

459
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some non boxer, so that even
if they do a deal with the Netflix

460
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:19,440
for something, certainly it's not going
to be his next event. He does

461
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:25,160
have a business relationship with his Zonne
beyond just his own upcoming fight, because

462
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,640
they have a deal with his own
MVP does for this Prospect series that they

463
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,519
have been showing. They just announced
an extension for next year. I want

464
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,960
to tell you it's I think eight
shows next year. They did four in

465
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,839
twenty twenty three. I think next
year it's supposed to be eight. Don't

466
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,400
quote me, I can't remember exactly, but the bottom line is they do

467
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,559
have that relationship. Amanda Serrano,
who was with Jake and his company,

468
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,240
was on the most recent show they
just did last week. So I think

469
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:52,559
the Netflix thing, the genesis of
that is because my understanding is they are

470
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,720
working on some kind of documentary with
Jake Paul and if you're going to be

471
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,599
doing a documentary related to him,
then maybe his boxing is part of that.

472
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,880
And Netflix has been for I don't
know how long it's been, TJ

473
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:11,599
how many years they've constantly been thought
about, talked about, made allusions to

474
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,480
maybe they would get involved with streaming
sports. Of course they're, you know,

475
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:17,759
the eight hundred pound gorilla in streaming, but they've never been involved in

476
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:21,759
sports. It's documentaries, it's movies, it's original shows, and obviously they

477
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:26,119
have a huge, huge amount of
subscribers, and they have shied away from

478
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:33,400
live sports so far because the right
the rights to acquire premiere events in sports

479
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,920
are very very expensive. Obviously,
I mean, you know, certainly hundreds

480
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,119
of millions of dollars, if not
billions of dollars at the very top level

481
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,920
when you're talking about the NFL,
the NBA, Major League Baseball, college

482
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,599
top football and basketball, the tournaments
and all that, you know, huge

483
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,799
amounts of money, and then it's
still tens of millions of dollars once you

484
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:55,119
get into like the less like boxing, for example, or you know,

485
00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:57,119
big gun golfer, auto racing,
or you know, pick a sport.

486
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,680
So they keep saying there's been so
much conjecture that they're going to enter that

487
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,160
particular space. If they did it
in some kind of form or fashion of

488
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,200
test out the waters with boxing,
it wouldn't be, I guess, a

489
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,000
total shock because if you take a
look at the history of the mediums into

490
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:19,119
which we have seen, whether it's
radio, the early days of regular television,

491
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:25,079
cable television, satellite, television,
streaming stuff, boxing has always been

492
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:30,359
one of the things that was on
those platforms in its infancy. When ESPN

493
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,119
launched in like nineteen seventy nine,
one of the first shows because they couldn't

494
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:37,759
they didn't have rights to Major League
Baseball. It took years for them to

495
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,759
get that. And saying for the
NFL, one of the things they started

496
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,359
off was top rank boxing and it
ran for a very long time, you

497
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,319
know, back when it was black
and white television in the nineteen fifties,

498
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,240
but were of what's one of the
earliest shows on television was you know,

499
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,759
Friday Night Fights or the calc at
that. So, I mean boxing has

500
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:59,160
been like that. When when premium
cable came around, how did HBO build

501
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,119
itself and show time? They did
it through boxing. They you know,

502
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,759
that was a huge part of them
and their growth. When ESPN Plus started

503
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,480
boxing was one of the first things
that they put on in terms of live

504
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,559
sports that they expanded what they already
had. They almost immediately redid their deal

505
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,480
with Top Rank to bring a ton
more boxing to that platform. And so

506
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,160
it doesn't surprise me that that's the
case. I mean, the Zone was

507
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,519
created basically in the United States based
on boxing, you know, in terms

508
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,119
of streaming, So if Netflix is
going to get involved, it wouldn't totally

509
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:32,319
shock me. Now wood or would
shock me is if they actually make a

510
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:37,039
deal with PBC, because again,
it's one thing for the Journal to report

511
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,279
what they reported, and obviously the
Journal is a very respected publication when it

512
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:44,720
comes to dealing with business transactions and
that sort of thing, but they're not

513
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,359
really sports people over there, even
though they've got some outstanding reporters and writers.

514
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,240
My sources tell me that they have
had a conversation that Netflix is not

515
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:59,359
so much interested in putting up money
to fun like say, a regular outlet

516
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,680
for fights. They are intrigued by
the possibility of pay per view, although

517
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,559
Netflix has never done that. They
are a subscription based service, so I'm

518
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:11,000
not sure why they would suddenly want
to change that for boxing. But I

519
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:15,079
am told and I quote one of
the sources when I when I talk to

520
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,759
them about this, who has knowledge
of what's going on there, And it

521
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,519
was termed to me that anything related
to PBC doing events on Netflix was quote

522
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:26,640
unlikely. And the Journal in their
report quoted or they didn't quote, but

523
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,880
they wrote in their story that these
conversations were in the very early stages.

524
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,200
So I understand we all want to
know where PVC is going to wind up.

525
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,400
One showtime who shuts the door at
the end of the year. Personally

526
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,960
speaking, I will be surprised,
although not unhappy, if they wind up

527
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,279
in Netflix. I think it's the
type of thing where Al Hayman and and

528
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,359
looking around the landscape had to at
least reach out or or or at least

529
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:52,480
have the conversation. You know,
you'd be crazy not to at least approach

530
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,200
them, because they're flushed with money
and obviously they had there, and you

531
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,079
know everybody has Netflix. I think
it seems to me. I kept thinking

532
00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:00,599
to myself, TJ, what's the
old thing? What the kids say?

533
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,119
Netflix and Chill? I was thinking
PBC and Chill, But I don't think

534
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,400
that's happening, all right, and
we'll see where Premiere Boxing Champions ends up

535
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,559
and what outlet. All right,
a couple of other news items I say.

536
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:15,440
One thing about that, by the
way, Yeah, back with PBC

537
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:20,759
real quick. One thing is and
again I don't know where they're going to

538
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,279
line up, and there's been a
lot of conjecture that they maybe you're talking

539
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:30,880
to Netflix, that they've had conversations
with with Apple, but obviously it's not

540
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,519
going to be on Showtime. The
people that work in and around PBC whose

541
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:42,599
livelihood depends on PBC bringing in money
and making events, well, I've talked

542
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,759
to several of them over the last
few weeks since the Showtime announcement became official,

543
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,160
and even before that, when they
were already knew it was going to

544
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,359
happen, and there were people that
were looking for jobs knowing they were going

545
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,599
to be out of gigs. You
know, some of the showtime people,

546
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,279
the people that work for PBC or
are very closely associated with it, that

547
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,720
make their living doing that, don't
really seem concerned, like it's not and

548
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:05,000
it's that's like in separate conversations.
It's not like, you know, we're

549
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,720
on a conference cause and you said
that before, and I have the same

550
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,599
response that I said to you,
then that's all well and good because if

551
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720
all of them have been told the
same thing and it's not really going to

552
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,799
come to fruition, we don't we
don't know that right now. Well,

553
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,240
you know, even if you're told
that, you're still in the back of

554
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,960
your mind, you're like, you
know what, there's certainly a level of

555
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:29,759
uncertainty. And these are normal working
people that have mortgages to pay, and

556
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,319
knows to pay, and college is
to pay for and and all kinds of

557
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:37,599
different things. And you can't help
but worry where's my paycheck coming from?

558
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:43,240
So when there's calmness all around again, I don't know what, but I'm

559
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,920
telling you right now, I believe
to my bones Hayman's got something. It's

560
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,880
we just don't know about it yet. I think he is doing the right

561
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,799
thing in terms of, you know, let's show time have its sun,

562
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,200
they in the sun and close up
shop in a respectful and professional manner,

563
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,759
and you know you're not going to
go piss on them while you're still doing

564
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:05,640
business with them. But in due
time, I would think, certainly by

565
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,039
the end of this year, soon
after the last paper view anyway, we'll

566
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:12,679
hear news about where PBC is gonna
wind up. By him not in any

567
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:21,960
way concerned that come twenty twenty four
that they won't have a robust broadcast partner.

568
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,599
Interesting that Oscar de la Hoya is
soliciting the PVC fighters. What else

569
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,119
is new Oscar fooling around on social
media then to come signed with him for

570
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,320
whatever. Well, he makes the
point though that if you don't One thing

571
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,000
that people need to understand is a
lot of the boxers that box under that

572
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,840
PBC banner don't have promotional contracts.
Some of them do with TGB, which

573
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,039
is the promoter that does all the
PBC events, but there are a lot

574
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:49,440
of boxers that are affiliated with al
Hayman and PBC who are promotional technically speaking,

575
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,880
are promotional for agents and would have
every right to talk to a promoter

576
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,360
now. And if they're under contract
to TGB, you know, they can't

577
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,840
be interfering with those agreements, and
that's fair. But there's a number of

578
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,639
those spiders that are not under a
promotional contract and they would have every right

579
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,840
to talk to a promoter about their
future. So we shall see what happens

580
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:14,480
there. Let's close the loop on
Felix Verdejo, the ones promising lightweight former

581
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:19,519
Puerto Rican olympian, probably well known
by most of our audience, that he

582
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,719
had been found guilty on the murder
charge of his mistress and unborn child,

583
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:31,039
had an accomplice in this. The
accomplice turned on him, testified against him,

584
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:36,559
cooperated with the authorities. So we've
been waiting for sentencing for Verdejo.

585
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,079
Wrap it up here because this is
not unexpected. He's essentially never getting out

586
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,119
of a Puerto Rican prison. Yeah, I mean, it's a heartbreaking kind

587
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:49,280
of story. You know. We
should have mentioned the victim because she deserves

588
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,239
it. Kishila Rodriguez, who was
somebody that he had been on and off

589
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,199
in a relationship with for a very
long time, but he also was married

590
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,639
and had I guess a family besides
is involvement with this woman. He got

591
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,400
her pregnant, she wanted to have
the baby. He wanted her to have

592
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,519
an abortion apparently, and she wouldn't
do that, and so he killed her,

593
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:09,480
which is disgusting and heinous and as
bad as it gets. And like

594
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:14,239
you said, he had an accomplice
who flipped on him, and he was

595
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,719
found guilty of killing both the woman
and the unborn child. Then he's going

596
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,360
to pay the price because as he's
the only you know, like thirty years

597
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,800
old, he's going to spend the
rest of his life in prison because on

598
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:30,519
Friday he was sentenced to two life
sentences. And you know that that that's

599
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:31,800
making the point. Obviously he's only
got one life to live, but he's

600
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,079
got too He's never going to see
the light of day again, and he

601
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,079
doesn't deserve it. You know,
he can sit in the jail cell and

602
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,880
rot and think about what he did
for the rest of his life. It's

603
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,679
just uh. And the thing that's
so this thing that's so that's so crazy

604
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,360
to me is this, like I
can't tell you that I knew Felix for

605
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,239
Dajo very well or anything like that, But I met him a number of

606
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,719
times. I covered several of his
fights. I picked him as the prospect

607
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:59,079
of the year at one point.
He was very engaging, very friendly,

608
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,920
very outgoing, nice smile, very
humble. It felt like, you know,

609
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,159
just you know, beat his chest
had the support of Felix Trinidad,

610
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,280
who a lot of people compared him
to. You know, he didn't turn

611
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,719
out that way because he took a
couple of losses and all. But to

612
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,480
think that the kid like that in
his early twenties, I met and covered

613
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:19,599
and wrote about a lot who was
as nice as you could ask for.

614
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,800
And then you find out that he
did this, It just did. I

615
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,320
can't. I still have a hard
time like And again, for those that

616
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:30,320
are not completely familiar, these are
heinous crimes where they kidnapped the woman.

617
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,960
They're trying to drug the woman,
and apparently, as the testimony went,

618
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,039
she may very well have still been
alive when they threw her in a lagoon.

619
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,079
He's shooting off the body off the
bridge. He's taking a gun and

620
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:46,039
shooting at the body in the water. Heinous off the deep end mentally type

621
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:50,039
things and he's going to spend the
rest of his life in a Puerto Rican

622
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:53,920
prison because of it. It's over
and closure for the family. That again,

623
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,599
as you made mentioned in Bravo to
you, the family has been grieving

624
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,320
this for a couple of years.
This is closure for them. He's going

625
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,960
away forever. Yes, So just
so people chapter on it. This happened.

626
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,920
He was found guilty this past August, but the murder itself happened in

627
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,719
April twenty one, so it's been
over two years that this has been going

628
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,920
on, since she lost her life
and the baby's life, and the family's

629
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,639
been dealing with this, and it's
been a long time. And now I

630
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:22,400
mean, maybe I have closure because
he's in jail for the rest of his

631
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,159
life, but I mean, it
doesn't change what happened, unfortunately. That's

632
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:29,000
correct. And I will interject one
thing, because we covered this thoroughly on

633
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,960
the website before you and I began
to hook up with all the writings and

634
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,239
all of the stuff. In twenty
twenty two. We covered this a bunch.

635
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,039
In twenty twenty one. The family
was adamant for the Puerto Rican prosecutors,

636
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:44,400
the US prosecutors, the Puerto Rican
prosecutors, because again it's a lot

637
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,000
of times US federal prosecutors that prosecute
kind of capital cases like this. They

638
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,719
were adamant they did not want the
death penalty. They wanted him in prison

639
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,880
for the rest of his life.
That's interesting is that they wanted him to

640
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,840
and that's exactly what's going to happen. Now. He'll spend whatever his remaining

641
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,800
days are in prison. So there
you go. Closed chapter on that very

642
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,280
horrific situation. Okay, you mentioned
Kolmatov and you mentioned Raymond Ford. Just

643
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,599
follow up one more time before we
get to the nostalgia for a featherweight situation.

644
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,519
Go ahead, Yeah, So,
I mean earlier in the month or

645
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:22,320
I guess it was in the after
he after after lee Wood won his last

646
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,320
fight, and this is an early
early October. He has expected lee Wood

647
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,599
vacated the title. Remember he had
gotten and he had gotten an exception to

648
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,960
fight the Warrington fight. His mandatory
was Kolmotov. You know, Kolmotov was

649
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,280
nothappy about that. He wanted the
title shot. In any event, we

650
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,159
all knew that when he vacated,
the next guy up was Kolmotov as the

651
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,480
mandatory either if Leewood stayed in the
weight class or it was gonna be a

652
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:46,480
vacant title, and in fact it's
a vacant title. So Kolmatoav is fighting

653
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,480
for the vacant title. He has
been ordered to fight the next available contender,

654
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,639
which happens to be Raymond Ford in
the featherweight division. That's actually a

655
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,679
very interesting match up. Komatov is
a I mean, I know a lot

656
00:39:57,679 --> 00:39:59,800
of people know who this guy is. They're like, who's this guy.

657
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,519
He's eleven and zero with ten knockouts
from Uzbekistan, twenty five years old.

658
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,760
I've seen him fight a couple of
times and let me say, in my

659
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:10,559
h he's a fucking beast, is
the bottom line. He's very, very

660
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,920
impressive fight. Don't be so technical
with your analysis. I love it though,

661
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,000
I love it. This guy,
this guy is. This guy can

662
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,320
fight and ray Ford. You know, so this guy is like a stalker,

663
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,639
a killer. I mean, he's
got a little I'm not saying he's

664
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:30,000
him, but there's hints of triple
G in the way he fights. But

665
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:35,639
Ford is a consummant boxer, a
boxer, puncher, a good technique.

666
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,320
You know, it does shape up
if they actually can make the match as

667
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,599
a fascinating kind of fight. So
if they don't make a deal, they

668
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:44,920
got thirty days until December third to
make the deal. It'll go to a

669
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,960
purse s bid fifty to fifty split
on the money. And you know what,

670
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:52,039
as a degenerate, that to me
is an absolutely fascinating fight for that

671
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,880
belt. I hope that it happens. I think that's a very very interesting

672
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,440
matchup. We'll see. I suspect
it will happen, it will go to

673
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,280
a purse bid, or if it
doesn't, they maybe can make some kind

674
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,360
of deal. Maybe it's you know, Eddie hearn is the promoter for fort

675
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,159
He's got an outlet in terms of
the zone that makes for a very interesting

676
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:13,599
fight. And as at the same
time that they ordered that fight for the

677
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,159
vacant title that took place this past
Friday. In addition to ordering the vacant

678
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:21,840
title fight, the WBA also ordered
the title eliminator that would match two fighters

679
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,800
that would produce the mandatory forever wins
the title fight, and that was between

680
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,159
Victor Morales who's with Golden Boy,
who was impressive on his most recent fight

681
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,920
on one of their shows. A
couple of weeks ago against the Samson Lukawitz

682
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,280
fighter named Louis Ronaldo Nunez. They
are both undefeated. They are also both

683
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,079
like legitimate ascending type of guys in
the weight class. So if they can

684
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:44,519
hook up, they also have the
thirty day timeframe to make a deal or

685
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,800
it'll go to a purse bid.
Also as elimination fights go, that's a

686
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,840
pretty interesting fight to me. You
know, I'm hopeful that will happen.

687
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,000
I mean, Samson Lukawitz and Golden
Boy have worked together a million times.

688
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,079
They've made a lot of fights together. That doesn't seem like a too complicated

689
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,480
one to make. I can certainly
see them making a deal in that winding

690
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:05,599
up on one of the forthcoming Dezone
undercards at some point in the next few

691
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,920
months. But so that's what's happened
in the featherweight division. There's it's a

692
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,079
little bit of a changing of the
guard with Wood moving up. You know,

693
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,559
Navarrete has left the division, and
you know, so guys have been

694
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:17,920
moving on, but there's there's a
new crop coming behind them, and these

695
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,639
are two of those bouts that are
going to fill that void that has been

696
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,400
left by some of the boxers who've
left the way class. There we go

697
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:32,480
nostalgia and as we come off the
weekend. Interesting that in separate years,

698
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,960
two anniversaries of two of the Evander
Holyfield Riddick bow fights. The second fight

699
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:45,519
after after tremendous first title fight that
Bo upset holy Field and took the title

700
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:51,079
from him in nineteen ninety two.
The second fight anniversary is actually Monday,

701
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:57,199
and that is thirty years ago Monday
for November the sixth of nineteen ninety three,

702
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,599
holy Field regained the title. And
this is more known obviously for at

703
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:06,840
the outdoor arena with Caesar's Palace,
right the outdoor arena at Caesars or whichever

704
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:13,199
outdoor arena it was, you'll correct
me. Fan Fan Man on a motorized

705
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:20,599
glider is gliding around and ends up
landing on the light structure with the with

706
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:27,000
the canopy parachute and landing on the
ring apron, causing mayhem in and around

707
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:34,039
the ring. And imagine, imagine
if Twitter existed when that happened. Yeah,

708
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,519
well, here's here's what I know
about that. He is I think

709
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:40,119
I've talked to you about this before
we had done. I'm doing local Tampa

710
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:44,920
Bay five day a week Sports Radio. We had done a series of pay

711
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,559
per view watch parties. We are
at the watch party. I vividly remember

712
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,159
this thirty years ago, and I'm
telling the people around me, this is

713
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:59,679
the craziest. This is almost shades
of like Vince McMahon and the WWF.

714
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,800
What is going on? And Dan
there was a twenty minute delay to try

715
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,639
to figure out, all right,
what do we do now, and then

716
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:09,599
we got to resume the fight,
etc. So pick it up from there

717
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:15,039
with the whole fan man for all
time. That's what this second fight is

718
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,400
known for. I mean, the
thing is, the first fight was a

719
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,920
fantastic fight that took place inside no
chance for a fan man, because it

720
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,920
was at the Thomas and Neck Center
that had taken place in November of ninety

721
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,800
two. Bo actually had a couple
of fights in between where he defended the

722
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,880
titles against pretty easy opponents in the
long shot Michael Doaks and Jesse Ferguson,

723
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,280
who was just a journeyman. Now
they meet for the rematch and it's outdoors.

724
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,880
So now this accurse, and I
have to say I can remember watching

725
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,000
that twenty one minute delay during the
middle of round seven. Cold outside too

726
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,639
by the way, Caesars Pals,
I remember the vivid image of the fighters

727
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:53,000
in their corners when the delay while
they're dealing with the fan man being taken

728
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:55,960
away and arrested who you know.
While they're waiting for this to resume,

729
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,360
they're like in their corners, like
covered up in blankets and obviously completely disrupted

730
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,280
the momentum of the fight. And
I have to tell you, and I

731
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,320
don't know about justin boxing, I
think maybe in all of sports history,

732
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,079
correct me if I'm wrong, or
if you can think of a better example.

733
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:15,239
The craziest most wild thing, crazy, nutsy shit thing you ever happened

734
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:21,400
is a fucking guy flies into the
middle of a boxing heavyweight championship fight that

735
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,719
lands up the ring apron that that's
being viewed by millions of people on pay

736
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,159
per view. I mean, is
there anything more crazy about that? I

737
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,079
can't. I mean, you obviously
had had an earthquake disrupt the World Series

738
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,159
a few years before between the Giants. That's a natural disaster. That's a

739
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,960
natural disaster there. If there have
been crazy thing, remember the power outage

740
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,480
in the Super Bowl the forty nine
ers and the Ravens. That was bizarre,

741
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,760
right, after the halftime shooting.
You know, you just jogged me

742
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,920
on something. I got the opportunity
on that very same five day a week

743
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,239
sports radio show to interview Michael Buffer
a couple of weeks later, the legendary

744
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,239
Michael Buffer. By the way,
happy birthday on the Nostalgia for Michael Buffer.

745
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:04,760
Yes, all right. I remember
asking him, what was your reaction,

746
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,760
what was your vantage point? What
was your reaction? And he said,

747
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,639
I'm I'm obviously done with my pre
fight duties. I'm sitting close by

748
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,119
ringside, and he said, I'm
watching the fight and what was happening was

749
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:22,239
in front of me to the right, and he goes, the first thing

750
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,400
is, you're just stunned because you
don't know what to think. He goes,

751
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,719
the second thing is, you're scared
for I'm paraphrasing, you're scared for

752
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,960
a half second because you don't know
who this guy is and he's on the

753
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,320
ring apron. And then the next
thing is mayhem because people are everywhere in

754
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,239
the ring, bose security people,
and it's the same guy, Dan Rayfield.

755
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,719
We're a Waukee talkie braining fan man
who would re enact it three years

756
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,440
later and come across the ring as
the first guy with the walkie talkie braining

757
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:58,719
Andrew Gollatta for hitting Riddick Bow low. So this guy was obviously the expert

758
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:04,760
lead walkee talkie by the time.
I think by the time he fought both,

759
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,039
they had like the early versions of
cell phones which have in both cases,

760
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:14,440
it's the same guy and he's over
just braining fan man on the ring

761
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,320
apron and down at ringside was about
it now, but at the time it

762
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,239
was serious. By the way,
the guy's name that was Faman was a

763
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,480
man named James Miller who ended up
dying, you know, several years ago.

764
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,280
Uh, but it was serious because
you're tell me he died in a

765
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,559
paragliding accident. They don't finish that. But the uh, if I remember

766
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:35,039
correctly, Riddick Bo's wife at the
time, you know now his ex wife,

767
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,559
but his wife, Judy was pregnant
one of their children, and she

768
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:38,760
kind of fainted that RINGSI, I
guess, and they had to take her

769
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,880
to the hospital for observationist to make
sure everything was okay. And obviously you

770
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,039
know, both in the middle of
this fight, and you know, look,

771
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:49,400
Ridick bow ended up losing that fight
on a majority decision. There's a

772
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,079
lot of people that believe that that
twenty one minute interruption that reset the the

773
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,440
tenor of the fight and the flow
of the fight. That's what enabled the

774
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,199
Vander holydild to come act in the
late going and actually win the fight on

775
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:07,679
a very close call. He got
a little bit of a reprieve, got

776
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,480
himself together and you know, the
momentum that Ridick bou had going into that

777
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:16,880
second half of the fight was definitely
stunted by the delay, and Holyfield put

778
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,880
it to his advantage. And so
I think there's there's always those moments where

779
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,840
you think, like would boxing history
have been different if something happened, Like

780
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:29,320
I always think about had Roy Jones
decided not to return to light heavyweight and

781
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,480
they were able to finalize the long
deal they were trying to make between him

782
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,079
and Evander Holyfield that the time after
he fought John Roweiz. That's one another

783
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:39,840
one of those types of things I
spend my time thinking about, is what

784
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,800
would have happened if the fan man
didn't disrupt this fight and it was allowed

785
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,840
to go to its normal conclusion without
having this massive Megga disruption and Evander did

786
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,960
not have twenty minutes to rest and
to gather himself, and Bo didn't have

787
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,280
his concentration momentum broken. Would Riddick
Bow have retained the timeline and you know,

788
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,280
who knows what would have happened in
the rest of his career were or

789
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,440
with the Vander for that matter.
So it was one of the wildest,

790
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,320
craziest things you'll ever see in sports. It was a tremendous fight, perhaps

791
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,559
not on the level of the first
fight, which was the fight of the

792
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:15,599
year, but it was pretty damn
close, and that just set the stage

793
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,039
for the third fight. You know, we talked about many times trilogies,

794
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,639
but the Riddick Bow Evander Holyfield trilogy
is one of the few trilogies at the

795
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:29,480
highest level of the sport where all
three fights are fucking classic battles, great

796
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:32,159
all time fights. You know,
the other great trilogies you can think about,

797
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,960
at least the ones that come off
the top of my head are you

798
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,039
know, obviously, Fraser and Ali
first fight, third fight are awesome.

799
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,440
Second fight is very good, but
not at the same level. Gaddy Ward

800
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:45,679
first fight, third fight, Fight
of the year. Second fight obviously very

801
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:50,199
good also, but not and even
close to that level. Barra Morales first

802
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,400
fight, third fight, Fight of
the Year, second fight, not even

803
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,199
close. Really more of a boxing
match. So when you think about those

804
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:59,559
trilogies, you know, usually there's
one in there that's maybe not the best.

805
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:01,880
Usually the first one is awesome,
because that's why they make a rematch

806
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,599
in the first place. But in
terms of Bow and Holyfield, ninety three

807
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:09,639
first two fights for the heavyweight title
were both classics and just tremendous battles.

808
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,599
And then when they finally met again
in ninety five, it wasn't for the

809
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,320
belt officially, but at the time
it happened, and that's the fight we're

810
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,639
talking about now because that's the one
that's the anniversary from nineteen ninety five that

811
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:28,000
happened on November fourth, that was
still a doubt between again without the belts

812
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:30,840
being at stake. At the time, most people still regarded Bow and Holyfield

813
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:36,440
as the number one and number two
heavyweights in boxing, so it was for

814
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:38,119
let's you know, they tried to
promote it as like the people's championship.

815
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:42,239
It wasn't a lineal title, that
wasn't an official belt or anything, but

816
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,400
it was the two biggest names you
know, battling it out in a fight

817
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,199
that was very interesting to a lot
of people. Again, they did it

818
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:53,360
at Caesar's Palace outside once again,
and this was like whatever the skills and

819
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,719
the balls that they showed in the
first two fights and for big stakes with

820
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,320
the title on the line, this
was more of like a caveman fight.

821
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,360
Like they were both degraded to a
degree at that point, but they still

822
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,039
had the heart in the will and
obviously they know each other very well from

823
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:10,599
two battles before, and they just
went in there and tried to beat the

824
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:14,559
living shit out of each other,
even more so than in the first couple

825
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,719
of fights, and ultimately Riddig Bow. They were both got knocked down,

826
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,840
but ultimately it was Riddg Bow that
prevailed by a eighth round knockout that a

827
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,320
lot of people thought was pretty much
the end of holy Field because he didn't

828
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,159
look that great in the fight.
But it was just I mean, it

829
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,199
was just a fantastic fight. I
mean, I don't think the fight gets

830
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:35,679
as it gets as much credit as
that deserves because so many people talk about

831
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:37,679
fight one and fight two, and
the third fight is kind of unfortunately not

832
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,519
talked about at that same level.
But that was a badass fight. And

833
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:43,800
by the way, at the time
of that stoppage, I'm looking it up

834
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,960
as we're talking here. It was
a close fight, and I didn't know

835
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,559
I couldn't remember what the scores were, but I knew it was close going

836
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:52,039
into that knockout round. The judges
had it sixty six to sixty five on

837
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:57,719
all three scorecards, So it was
a very close fight going into the you

838
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,360
know the round where that where Bo
finally was able to get the knockout,

839
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:07,159
but he was losing by one point
on all three cards. So I just

840
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:08,559
love that fight. I mean,
I could watch that. I can watch

841
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:13,559
that trilogy, uh, you know, all day long. An interesting November

842
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:19,360
nostalgia for holy Field ninety three is
fan Man, not ninety five. November

843
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,039
fourth of ninety five is the knockout
lost to Bow, but the following November

844
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:27,559
of ninety six is when he upsets
Mike Tyson. So and by the way,

845
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,880
in that time, in that time
frame November over and over and over

846
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,960
again, involving one thing about I
mean, one thing about Bow in Holyfield

847
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,199
is if you follow their careers,
both of them are regarded in terms of

848
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,960
heavyweight fighters having two of the greatest
chins you'll ever see. Riddick Bow the

849
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,440
first time he ever got knocked down
in his career was in that third fight

850
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:49,079
against Evander, and Evander always was
known for a great chin. You got

851
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:51,679
knocked out a couple of times here
and there, but he was also dropped

852
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,679
in that fight. I mean,
it was, you know, it was.

853
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,880
It was a very violent fight and
is as much damna. And it's

854
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,960
unfortunate because both of them obviously have
taken a lot of damage through their careers,

855
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,239
you know, because Goalada had a
lot of damage on Bow in their

856
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,719
two fights, and Anders been a
ton of wars over the years. But

857
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,159
those three fights took a lot out
of them, but as much as much

858
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,119
as they took in the first two
fights. In my opinion, I said

859
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:22,039
it was a caveman fight. The
third fight, to me most definitely the

860
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:28,519
roughest, most violent, most brutal
of the three fights in some ways reminiscent

861
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,679
of what happened in Manila with Ali
and Fraser, where they were just a

862
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,880
little bit older, couldn't quite move
as well, kind of had a stand

863
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,559
in front of each other, still
had the heart and the balls to go

864
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:42,400
to it and so therefore Thriller in
Manila was the most violent and brutal of

865
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,760
the three Ali Fraser fights. And
it's one hundred percent the same thing with

866
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,119
what happened between Bow and Holyfield.
I mean, just an absolutely remarkable series.

867
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:51,000
And you know, the funny thing
about it is, you know where

868
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,079
Ali and Fraser, you know,
they never became best friends, even though

869
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,440
they respected each other. They had
a long history of back and forth of

870
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,960
issues with one another over the years, particularly Fraser against Ali A. Riddg

871
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,760
Boat and Evander Holyfield did this day
are very close friends right right and now

872
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,000
for many many years. And it's
because of the respect they have from what

873
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:12,360
they did with each other, and
frankly all the money they were able to

874
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,920
make with each other over the course
of those three fights. And isn't it

875
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,920
an interesting that also November fifth,
which is Sunday as we released the podcast

876
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,239
into Monday, is the anniversary in
nineteen ninety four, twenty nine years ago

877
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,360
of George Foreman's historic knockout of Michael
Moore. And it's like six degrees of

878
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,400
separation from Kevin Bacon, It's six
degrees of separation from Evander Holyfield because holy

879
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:37,320
Field had beaten George Foreman in a
title to fans in ninety one, but

880
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,800
had lost to Michael Moore. And
we didn't even throw this in there fans

881
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,679
that are new fans that are thinking
that boxing began in two thousand and six,

882
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,960
Like I like to say, you
got to realize there was concern that

883
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,519
Evander Holyfield had a heart condition and
was never going to fight again when he

884
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:57,559
lost to Michael Moore. He eventually
continued to get checked out by cardiologists and

885
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,920
was eventually deemed as not really having
a series. Obviously, heart conditioning could

886
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,760
keep fighting. But anyway, Moore's
beaten holy Field. As the build up

887
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:10,239
Foreman's forty five years old, Michael
Moore is dominating this fight, Dan ray

888
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,400
Field, and then this is why
we love boxing. It turned, did

889
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,000
it not boom? Well, in
the immortal words of my good friend Jim

890
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:21,079
Lampley, it happened. It happened. I mean, that's the same it's

891
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:23,719
called HBO, which, as dramatic
as that moment, was just on itself

892
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,000
of what George Forruman accomplished. Obviously, he'd be crazy if he didn't think

893
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,760
that the way that Jim Lampley and
the HBO people called that fight did not

894
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:35,519
help it become the kind of folklore
that it has become over the years.

895
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:38,440
I mean, it was a remarkable
achievement from what George Foreman did that night.

896
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,920
He got to keep in mind a
couple things about that, Like you

897
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,599
said, Number one, he's a
forty five year old guy. So he

898
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:49,719
sets the record for becoming the oldest
fighter in history of boxing to win a

899
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,400
world title, a record that was
broken many years later by Bernard Hopkins when

900
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,679
he did it as well. But
George to win the heavyweight championship at age

901
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,280
forty five was like a huge deal. Nobody thought he could do what he

902
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,559
was I remember watching the broadcast,
remember Larry Merchant giving the odds and him

903
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:06,360
saying, you know, whatever the
odds were, let's skate. It was

904
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,480
like, you know, ten to
one or whatever it was. You know

905
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:10,480
that George thought it was a gazillion, that Larry thought it was a gazillion,

906
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,960
the one that George could actually regain
the title, and it just goes

907
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,880
to show you that he was able
to do it. And the thing about

908
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,760
it also in this you know,
I don't know if if it's a karma

909
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:27,199
coincidence, whatever, whatever, some
higher being, whatever you want to call

910
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,360
it. He won that title back, the heavyweight championship. This was like

911
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,840
you know, I know it was
belts and all, but it was the

912
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,159
lineal championship. He beat the man
who had beaten Holyfield, who was the

913
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:40,199
man. He did it almost twenty
years to the day that he had lost

914
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:44,599
the heavyweight title the first time to
Muhammad Ali by a knocked out his ear,

915
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:46,159
like within a couple of days,
twenty years later. And on top

916
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:50,880
of that, when you watch the
fight back, the boxing trunks that Big

917
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,639
George wore in the ring against Michael
Moore to regain the title were the same

918
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:57,519
trunks that he wore that night in
the Hubble and the I mean that is

919
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:01,079
fucking crazy. Well, I mean, but that's what adds to the lore.

920
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,880
And he also maybe had the Carmo
working for him as well to put

921
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,320
those trunks on and to get it
done. I will add to your nostalgia

922
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,280
that we had Joe Cortes, the
legendary Hall of Fame referee, on this

923
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,679
podcast. He was the ref and
I said, take me back to what

924
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,519
you remember on that moment, and
he said, I remember forever counting over

925
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:28,480
Michael Moore eight nine, and I'm
thinking to myself, I'm about to say

926
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,079
ten. You say ten, you
turn and you point to George and say

927
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:35,880
winner, which is what he does. He turns on a knee to George

928
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,559
Foreman in the neutral corner and says
winner. And George turned around and knelt

929
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:45,800
down immediately in prayer like looking skyward. What a scene you never know about.

930
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:47,119
And there it was. There was
a lot of people that felt like

931
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:51,679
George, most people that he shouldn't
even have the fight. That George had

932
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:57,039
to make a personal appeal to seth
Abraham recently inducted into the International Boxing Hall

933
00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:00,119
of Fame and well deserved, who
was at that time running EAHBO Sports and

934
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,840
George of course was an HBO commentator, so they were, you know,

935
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,320
close and had a business relationship and
all that, and HBO had shown many

936
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:12,679
of George's fights besides the Michael morrifight. Had to basically beg him to allow

937
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,199
them to put this match on because
remember that fight took place as we're talking

938
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:21,760
about that Michael morrifight took place November
of ninety four. In June of ninety

939
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,039
three, so like a year and
a half before this, George Foreman had

940
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:30,559
a loss to Tommy Morrison. So
he's not only easy coming off of a

941
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:34,639
long layoff, he's coming off of
a loss to Morrison, and now he's

942
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:37,360
fighting the real champion and Michael Moore
and making his first title defense and he's

943
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,760
forty five years old. And people
thought it was a fucking joke at the

944
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,480
time. I mean, you know, we've seen fights like that that are

945
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:45,800
made today where you just like,
why are they making that match? And

946
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,920
it just so happened. They made
him everybody look good because after taking a

947
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,519
shellacking for ten rounds, George Foreman
got the big shot that he wanted,

948
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:58,079
the big right hand right on the
on the short, very short punch.

949
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:00,880
And I've heard Jim Lapley talk about
it. You know, when Lampley was

950
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,840
hired by our friends at PPV dot
com to uh do his work with them

951
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,800
as they were promoting the Errol Spence
or the or the Canut, the Errol

952
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,559
Spence fight Charlot fight, and we've
got I got a chance to spend some

953
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:16,320
time with him in Las Vegas back
at that fight. He did a lot

954
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:21,239
of interviews and besides just talking about
the Canelo and the Charlotte fight that he

955
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,320
was there helping to market and promote. He obviously was asked a lot of

956
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,400
things about his career, and he
told stories about the Foreman fight in particular

957
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,559
because he had considers it his number
one best call of all time. And

958
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:35,079
he tells the story about how that
happened and no pun intended there talking about

959
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:37,400
how he you know, he was
friends with George. They worked together at

960
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,480
HBO. They would have meals together, breaks together, rehearsals together, and

961
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:44,079
he talks about how, like over
a couple of months leading up to the

962
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:45,519
fight, he would he would in
a quiet moment, he would ask George,

963
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:49,519
George, how are you gonna beat
Michael Moore? He's younger than you.

964
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,280
He's a southbaw you know, he
just beat a Vander Holyfield. He's

965
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,760
a good puncher. You know.
We just go through the list of things,

966
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:59,440
and and he recounts George Forman telling
him, you watch, at some

967
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,880
point late in the fight, He's
going to come stand in front of me

968
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,679
and let me knock him out.
And that is exactly what happened. And

969
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,800
so Lampley says in the interviews I've
seen and has said it to me.

970
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,519
Also when I've talked about this topic, whether it's an interview or just privately,

971
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:15,360
he said, I, you know, I didn't sit to my sit

972
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,320
there. I wasn't. I never
gave it a notion that he could win

973
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,679
the fight. So I never even
contemplated what my call might be. I

974
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:25,119
mean, I know broadcasters they want
to have some kind of you know,

975
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,840
an organic call when some big moment
happens. But I the best broadcasters at

976
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,440
least have a germ of the type
of thing they might want to say in

977
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,519
a big moment. Well, I
thought, let me interrupt you. I

978
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:39,840
thought it was great when you interviewed
him on our podcast when the Tyson upset

979
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,679
loss to Douglas was happening. He
said to you, Jim Lampley, that

980
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,960
I kept saying in my own head
what my mentor had drilled into me,

981
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:57,159
which is, don't overstated, don't
overstated. So his call forever is Mike

982
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,360
Tyson has been knocked out, not
yelling and screaming. It his call forever

983
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:05,360
on the Foreman fight is it happened? And well, I think it.

984
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,960
I think it works. It was
worked screaming or anything else. But that

985
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:13,159
was interesting what he told you about
telling himself thanks. But so the point

986
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:16,320
I was making though, was that
because he had not thought of something that

987
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:21,519
he might think about saying in the
in the unlikely event in most people's minds,

988
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:24,119
that George would win the title,
he kept he says this on this

989
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:28,320
is this is what Jim has said
to me and others that in his mind.

990
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:31,840
As Michael is laying on the canvas
and Joe Cortes is counting him and

991
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,079
the blood is welling up inside his
mouth and his lips, and George is

992
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:39,079
standing in the corner watching what happened, he kept thinking to himself in those

993
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:44,239
few seconds, George telling him how
it was going to take place, that

994
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,679
Michael Moore was gonna come at some
point stand in front of him and let

995
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:52,079
him and and and let himself be
knocked out. And so and that's what

996
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:53,239
happened. And so when he when
he thought that, he says, it

997
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,480
happened. It happened, and it
made for the the great call of one

998
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,440
of the most incredible uh achievements in
the history of boxing for George Foreman as

999
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,440
that type of at that age against
a fresh young champion who was faster than

1000
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,519
him in a southpaw and mobile and
could move and could punch, and you

1001
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:13,719
know, had a great, great
career. Came and stood in front of

1002
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,679
h in a round ten and let
himself get knocked out. And I can't

1003
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:19,280
believe that was how many years ago? Is that? That's twenty nine years

1004
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,639
ago on that one. So I'm
gonna tell you one other quick thing about

1005
01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:23,639
this is virtually thirty years ago when
you and I are like fresh out of

1006
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:27,679
college and trying to figure out what
we're doing in the working world. So

1007
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,599
bring me my way back fight.
So here's my own personal memory of that

1008
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:35,400
fight. Obviously, long before I'm
covering boxing. I am. I'm a

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sports writer at a newspaper in upstate
New York, and I was still I

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was twenty at that point. I
was I would just turned twenty four.

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I was still living at home with
my mother, hadn't yet moved out.

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I was actually a few weeks away
from moving out on my own. And

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I'm living with my mom and my
sister, and I'm when I'm watching they're

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asleep on a Saturday night. It's
like, you know, probably close to

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midnight or whatever, and I'm in
my bedroom and I'm watching HBO I'm watching

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the fight. I actually probably had
come in purposely to watch the fight as

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opposed to being out with my friends
and stuff. So I'm watching the fight,

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and when George knocked Michael Moore out, I freak out. I started

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jumping around my room and screaming and
holler and going crazy. I cannot believe

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what just happened. And I woke
my mother and my sister up, and

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I remember them coming in banging on
the door, like, what the hell.

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01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:22,719
Something's wrong? Right? They got
to call the paramedics or something.

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And I have to explain to my
mom, now, sorry I woke you

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up, but George Truman just won
the heavyweight championship twenty years after he lost

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01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,199
to Mom and Ali. My mom
gave me the stink. I went back

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01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:35,559
to bed. Uh. Well,
the nostalgia, we love the nostalgia on

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all fronts. Also Larry Holmes's birthday
this weekend, Michael as we mentioned Michael

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01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,039
Buffer's birthday this weekend, that's in
November, first week in November. Nostalgia

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01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:50,119
in and around the heavyweights, Vegas, famous stuff. Love it all right,

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I think we're good. On a
recap. One reminder, go back

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to the previous podcast and hear from
Jamel Herring because Dan rayphield his fight the

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Heroes on the Hudson card at the
Edison Ballroom in New York. Jamel,

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former world champion, is back in
the main event of that. He talked

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to us on the Big Fight Weekend
preview the previous podcast that fight Tuesday Night

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is main event. Fight is coming
Tuesday night, and Jamil had a lot

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of great stuff to say about his
career, what it must do, etc.

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So again, we're kind of even
though we're recapping, we're a little

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bit in the preview mode for Tuesday. So that's on Tuesday night. That's

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a little it'll be reminiscent of Tuesday
Night fights because like I said, it

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is on his own so you can
watch it there you go on that.

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I think we're good, my friend, good recap stuff, news and nostalgia.

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Let's have a good week and we'll
see what happens with Jammel's fight.

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We'll be writing about it on the
site and on your substack, and then

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we'll get into the preview mode coming
this weekend. Everything else good sounds good

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to me. There is the one
and only Dan Refiel. I'm merely TJ

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01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,039
Reeves. Thank you for finding us. Make sure you're following subscribing to the

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01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:58,760
Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast and the
Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. You get

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01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,559
all the great podcasts content with us
here. For now, we are good

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01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:05,199
off the weekend again. You've been
listening to the Fight Preach to Night recap podcast