WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:12.880 It's the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day looking ahead to the twenty 2 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:16.440 twenty four NFL Draft. Let's discuss what we hope the Bengals will do, 3 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:25.839 what we hope they won't do, what we hope they've learned from recent years. 4 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:31.559 You are Locked On Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of 5 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:38.880 the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day Bengals fans and welcome to another 6 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.880 episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. I'm your host, Jake. Let's go. 7 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.960 He's your host, James Rapine. Today we are joined by Jogo Berry 8 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:53.039 as we discuss and get into some things we hope about this Bengals draft in 9 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.880 twenty twenty four. This episode of Lockdown Bengals has with every episode of Lockdown 10 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:00.679 Bengals available on YouTube and everywhere you get your podcasts on the Lockdown PoCA network, 11 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.239 covering your team every day. Please do subscribe if you're new one. 12 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.760 It helps you get the content easier too. It helps us, and we 13 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.519 appreciate your support, especially all you every days and all of you out there 14 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.359 who make us here. First listening, guys, Let's talk about some nightmare, 15 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:22.079 some dreams, some hopes, some fears and some lessons learned. And 16 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:26.319 the reason that this is particularly pertinent today is with the Bengals getting together for 17 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.480 their off season program, a lot of discussion going on both on this podcast, 18 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:36.920 on yesterday's episode and on social media and an analysis circles everywhere about Dax 19 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:41.959 Hill. And it's not just Dax Hill, but there's a broader conversation that 20 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.120 we can kind of center around Dax Hill, and it's not all about him 21 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.319 and what the Bengals plan was there. But when we talk about hopes and 22 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:53.000 fears and lessons learned, I think that is a starting point because there's a 23 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:57.920 few things that we can take away from that selection where there's a big projection 24 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.879 for Dax Hill and say, Okay, what do we hope they've taken away 25 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:06.640 from that pick? But Joe, you've also tweeted about hopes and dreams and 26 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.879 nightmares. What are the like the top things that you're hoping the Bengals take 27 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.479 away from that Dax Hill pick and apply this year. Yeah, So the 28 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:20.000 Daks thing in particular, I think there's a lot of lessons to be learned 29 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.319 there. I think the overarching thing, if it was a book, it 30 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:27.719 would start by let's have a plan throughout the organization from the top down, 31 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:31.560 right, You hear about organizational vision from not just the personnel people, the 32 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:35.680 guys that are doing the evaluating and the scouting, but to the coaching staff. 33 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:40.400 In Dax's case in particular, he was always a slot box defender. 34 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:46.240 Right at Michigan, they wanted to take a guy to replace Jesse Bates, 35 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:50.159 knowing they'd lose him in a year as their deep free safety, and they 36 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.199 forced him into that role. Right, So, if you know he's this, 37 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:58.199 if the scouting staff knows he's this, but yet the I guess I'm 38 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:00.479 of management with the with the Baits situation, and then the coaching staff maybe 39 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:04.680 doesn't understand how to use that or how to get him there because, let's 40 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:06.680 face, he already had Mike Hilton, so you're not going to put him 41 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.719 in the slot anyway. But in year two to say, okay, now 42 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:14.199 you are free safety with very little experience, I mean, he's had less 43 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.400 experience there than Jordan battle right coming out of Alabama last year, and more 44 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:23.159 snaps at free safety taking his first step on an NFL field, if you 45 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:27.360 include college snaps, it just didn't make a lot of sense to force him 46 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.800 there and say, all right, your free safety now, oh you weren't 47 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:32.280 very good. Now we're going to bury you on the depth chart and keep 48 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:36.400 it moving and I get cutting your losses as quick as possible. There is 49 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.319 some something there. But at the same time, having a plan for what 50 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:45.159 the guy does in college and what he can do for you and executing that 51 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.360 and having that from the scouting to the people making the picks to the coaches 52 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.879 needs to be one of the things they focus on. I think one of 53 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:55.120 it was we could go to the Jackson Carmen pick. Who was Is he 54 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:58.319 a tackle? Is he a guard? You know what I mean? Is 55 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:02.960 he even worth this pick? From the scouting staff to the front office management? 56 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.599 Right? But having a plan, and I think there's a few guys 57 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:09.199 in this class where we need to be put a little red flag on, 58 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.520 like, hey, if you are moving this player's position and want to do 59 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.479 something else with them, maybe we should lower the grade just a little bit 60 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:20.120 for that little bit of unknown. Yeah, I think Dax, there's a 61 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:25.720 couple of things. One, if the scouting staff did view him as the 62 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.560 future Jesse Bates, then the coaches needed to be on board with putting him 63 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:33.120 back at a deep safety even after Jesse Bates comes back, and he didn't 64 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.480 play there at all. After Bates came back, he played there and during 65 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:40.240 camp and then it didn't happen. And so you're right, they have to 66 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:43.800 be on the same page. I think back to a Luanna Roumo quote during 67 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.360 Dax's rookie are like, yeah, hopefulay when he's ready, these young defensive 68 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:49.600 backs, and it was going on and on, and I do wonder, 69 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:53.800 like, all right, well, we're people above him saying, hey, 70 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.040 can you get the first rounder on the field. Sub And he talked about 71 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.759 not wanting to play young guys a ton because they make mistakes. Well, 72 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.600 Tax needed to make mistakes if he was going to switch positions and and it 73 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:09.800 work out. And so yeah, when you apply it to this year's especially 74 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:14.360 early, right, the first rounder for Dax this year, I would say 75 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:18.639 it's the first four picks. You want to have a plan for these guys, 76 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:23.800 whether it's Fatanu, whether it's Malachai Corley, whether it's some of these 77 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:28.720 guys that aren't obvious, Oh, this is where you put him and they're 78 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.639 going to play that position. Because Daxhil's talented, and we're not going to 79 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:34.839 know what he is unless there's injury. We're not gonna know what he is. 80 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:40.439 Guys, probably after three seasons, not even two after three, which 81 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:43.240 is kind of wild, And that's scary because you have to pick up his 82 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.199 fifth year option after this season. So if he's buried behind Mike Hilton, 83 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.680 even if he ends up playing some boundary corner, which to me is also 84 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.000 a worst case scenario, So you're gonna move him again to another position if 85 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.959 it's boundary that he has never played. So okay, So in my opinion, 86 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.800 if you want to salvage him, it's as a strong safety, box 87 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:08.240 slot defender, right you kind of just Tyron Matthew, Kyle Hamilton, Buddha 88 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:11.800 Baker. The guy who was very similar, who had a similar arc to 89 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:15.240 his career, Jimmy Ward from about like twenty fifteen, I want to say, 90 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.399 struggled between corner in slot and is he a safety? I was looking 91 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:24.839 at a snap breakdown earlier on PFF and it wasn't until Robert Salad got there 92 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:30.040 and said, Okay, you're a basically a box slot safety, and those 93 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.839 guys are hybrid players in today's NFL. You can do that with these guys 94 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.959 where you're not really sure. Like if people said Tyron Matthews a safety, 95 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:39.519 that's fine, but he also was a slot corner for a lot of his 96 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:43.000 career in the NFL and made a lot of plays there. Kyle Hamilton, 97 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:46.600 same draft, if the Ravens would have drafted Kyle Hamilton and the reason he 98 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:48.399 fell probably ten spots later than he should have. Remember, Jake, we 99 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:53.040 had him super high on our draft spreadsheet is because he ran slow. And 100 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:55.199 team said, well, he's not a corner now and that's what he played 101 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:57.480 at Notre Dame, so we're gonna have to move him to safety. The 102 00:06:57.560 --> 00:06:59.680 raven said, screw that, this is what he's good at. We're gonna 103 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:01.680 play him where he's good at, and we're going to make him a box 104 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:06.800 slot defender. And imagine if Hamilton was still there for the Bengals and the 105 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:10.639 Bengals said, yeah, we can't let him do that. We're going to 106 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.800 play him as a free safety to replace Jesse Bates.'re playing him at 107 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:17.879 a different safety position to instead of playing slot corner. They'd be ruining an 108 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.560 All Pro Pro Bowl player right now just as well. So it's more about 109 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:26.199 the plan than it is the player and the execution of getting them in position 110 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.199 to be their best. Yeah, it's about the plan and being in lockstep 111 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.800 between the people making the pick, the front office and the coaching staff. 112 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:40.959 That's something that Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor sold us on and when they hire 113 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:44.120 Zach Taylor. Go back to those episodes show way back in the day. 114 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.800 One of the things that Zach talked about and Duke talked about was how much 115 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:51.360 they saw the game the same way. And I wonder how true that is 116 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.399 with some of the draft picks. I wonder if they really have been on 117 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:59.360 the same page. The two biggest examples of this seem to be Jackson Carmen 118 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.959 and Dax Hill, where you really wonder what the plan was for those guys 119 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:09.399 coming in, But well, I was gonna throw him in. He was 120 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.120 changing positions. I think that's a slightly different thing. Maybe they were on 121 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.360 the same page there, they knew they were drafting a guy who's gonna have 122 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:20.800 to change positions. But that's another issue here, is like why are we 123 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:26.720 drafting guys that need this crazy projection and how does that apply when we look 124 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:28.279 at this year's draft, where there are some guys like Troy Fetanu, for 125 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.879 example, who might have to change position. I think that they had a 126 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:35.039 I think they were on the same page with Daks. Dax was eleventh on 127 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:41.399 their board. I don't think Zach I remember the night of the draft. 128 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.720 I think he was all about drafting dacks same moving them in the free safety 129 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:50.120 though right now that's the plan is If that is the plan, then Lou 130 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.159 has to be willing to play him some. But Jesse played ninety nine percent 131 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.159 of the snaps like that's that's what's really hard, and then you can't pull 132 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.279 him the moment he has bumps that Jesse took when they stunk in twenty eighteen 133 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:05.480 and no one remembers as a rookie and in his first year back there, 134 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.320 even though he did play that free safety spot at wake for so, I 135 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.000 think that's that's part of it, too, is being on the same page, 136 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.440 because they might have had the plant been in lockstep plan wise from a 137 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:22.039 free safety standpoint, But the moment there was Jesse, Bates and Von Bell, 138 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.519 it was like, okay, yeah, you're you're going to play three 139 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:26.039 different spots at least a little bit as a rookie and you're really not going 140 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:30.440 to see the field outside of special teams. Well, lose part of being 141 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.080 on the same page. It's not just Zach and Duke. It's Zach and 142 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.840 Duke and his top assistants and having everybody on the same page to execute that 143 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.559 plan right. And what I'm saying is is he may say that on draft 144 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:46.879 night and then it change in September when it matters and it can't. That's 145 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:50.320 the big difference executing the plan. The one other thing here is this isn't 146 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.600 all the coaching staff's fault. I'll just say that again. If Dax Hill 147 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:56.759 was able to execute what they asked him to do last year when he had 148 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:00.240 the opportunity, and maybe it wasn't the best fit for him, but if 149 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.159 he was able to do what they asked them to do, then we wouldn't 150 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.200 be having this conversation at all. So it's not just the coaches. But 151 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.480 I think it's clear that our primary issue here is with getting your premium picks 152 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.559 into position to succeed, using them to their strengths and having a plan. 153 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.799 And that will apply this year, and we'll apply to some specific players this 154 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:24.039 year. We'll talk about that in some more detail here coming up next spoiler 155 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:28.480 alert. And Joe and Jake both know this. I'm competitive and that's why 156 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:35.279 I would kick both of their tails and Monopoly Go or sprinting or any athletic 157 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.320 feet Joe goodberry. But let's get to Monopoly Go, because I'm sure you've 158 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:41.399 heard of it. It's been downloaded over one hundred and fifty million times. 159 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:46.240 It's a great twist on Monopoly where you play on not one, but hundreds 160 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.919 of different Monopoly boards and crazy locations, building up amazing cities that bring you 161 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.960 big money. And the best part is well being competitive and whooping Joe and 162 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:00.559 just another thing. So if you want to do that, well, check 163 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:05.120 out Monopoly Go today. And it's not just the competition. You could team 164 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.080 up with friends. You can battle against people all over the world in time 165 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:13.960 tournament tournaments and earn huge rewards. So get in the game and join your 166 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:18.279 friends by downloading Monopoly Go now free on the App Store or Google Play. 167 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:24.559 Greig is usually a fan of water cooler talk, but it's draft season and 168 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.720 that's all anyone wants to talk about. The Athletic has loads of articles about 169 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:33.559 this year's draft, but Greg doesn't have the athletic. So now he's filling 170 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:39.679 up his water bottle in the bathroom sink, which, to remind you, 171 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:45.799 is the sink people use after they use the bathroom. Get the athletic and 172 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:52.120 get the info you need to speak draft fluently. So, Joe James, 173 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.279 let's take that conversation. Let's apply it to some players this year. I 174 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:01.080 mentioned Troy Patana as probably the big biggest example I can think of in the 175 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:05.200 first round as a guy who would need to have a very specific plan, 176 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.720 and we've gotten back and forth on that plan. When we look at this 177 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:11.960 draft, there are a few things I think that we're all hoping for. 178 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.679 One, have a plan, like we just discussed. Two instant impact. 179 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:20.720 I think that we're all sick of waiting since the Jamar Chase Draft for the 180 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.120 first round player to come in here and make an instant impact and contribute in 181 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:28.000 year one. It's also the last time they picked early in the draft, 182 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:33.240 so maybe that's a complication for this front office. What are some of the 183 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.399 other hopes, Joe, that you're holding out for here is we talked about 184 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.480 some of the early picks for the Bengals in this year's draft, So I 185 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.360 hope they take advantage of the trenches in the first two rounds, the opportunity 186 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:50.600 to draft those players. Those impact players typically happen in rounds one, round 187 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.639 two, right, So getting the first defensive tackle would be awesome. The 188 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.759 history there looks pretty fun of those guys turning into good players, whether that's 189 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.720 Byron Murphy or Johnny Newton at eighteen. But also getting an offensive tackle at 190 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:07.759 eighteen would be something I don't think they've been in position to really do too 191 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:09.600 often. Yeah, the Jackson Carman year, we always point to that as 192 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.519 you could have spent that pick better, but it was on interior offensive line 193 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:18.840 mostly. Getting a first round tackle typically with those guys who are hitting most 194 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:20.360 of the marks, they're going in the top ten. And because this class 195 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.480 is so strong, I really hope they are presented with an opportunity to get 196 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.639 one of the guys I really like. Now, Troy Fatana is not one 197 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.159 of the guys I really hope is one of the options at eighteen because of 198 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.919 some of the risks there, because of some of the you're gonna have to 199 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.240 move them move him. Some team see him as a guard I do as 200 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:41.759 well, So if he plays left guard, if they are willing to move 201 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.559 the eighteenth pick to guard, that could be an upgrade, immediate upgrade on 202 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:48.440 the offensive line. But at the same time, then you're going to say, 203 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.679 in the future, I think the Bengals would all, right, let's 204 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.840 move him to right tackle. And then now we've moved to his position twice 205 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.559 and he's already at an advanced age twenty five year old, let's move a 206 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:01.679 second time to be our right tackle. So that puts up a red flag 207 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.919 for me in a lot of ways, and other than the film, and 208 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.519 I've done breakdowns of his game, but I think position and fit there scares 209 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.639 me just a little bit. I think the Byron Murphy thing is another one 210 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:13.960 we can talk about as a guy that hey, on tape, he's playing 211 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.679 a lot of no's at Texas. Let's be honest, he's not that in 212 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:20.519 the NFL. But the Bengals don't have a nose. So could we see 213 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:22.039 this situation where the Bengals like, you know what, take Murphy, that's 214 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.559 how we'll get him on the field right away, and that we're eight weeks 215 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.600 in and they're wondering why he's getting killed by double teams and it's like Yeah, 216 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:30.679 well, you gotta let him rush the pass or get him out to 217 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:33.399 the three tech and four I and get him out there and let him do 218 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.039 his thing. I could see that being a scenario. But I think of 219 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.679 Miles Murphy last year a little bit, and they kind of did the right 220 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:45.200 thing in promoting his development because we knew he would only played right defensive end 221 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:48.759 at Clemson, so they made sure they activated him, they made sure he 222 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:50.159 played, They made sure he played a lot of left defensive end, even 223 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.840 though he didn't look as comfortable there in his rookie season and Joseph Saide was 224 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.639 inactive and things like that. So they put forced forth the effort rather than 225 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:01.759 what they did with that. So they put the effort to say, hey, 226 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:03.279 we're gonna sprinkle you into the snaps, so we know we're probably gonna 227 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.240 need you in a couple of years. Let's make sure Miles Murphy gets that. 228 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.879 So I could see that being a situation with Byron Murphy too, where 229 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.200 he's playing nose, but yet in nickel, we're gonna let you play where 230 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.759 you're probably gonna make your money in the NFL. Yeah, I hope that 231 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.360 there is the plan there, and that's why. I think they'll double dip 232 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.320 at defensive tackle, and even if they take one like Byron Murphy, they'll 233 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:30.279 take hopefully a nose at some point late, just to have someone there that 234 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:31.960 can take some of those snaps. Not that I don't want Byron Murphy on 235 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.919 the field, but you want him to get as many snaps at what he's 236 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.840 going to ultimately be. I think there are some hopefully our listeners know it 237 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:45.679 by now, but Byron Murphy isn't replacing DJ Reader. It is not that 238 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.799 that cut and dry. Neither is Johnny Newton. Neither is probably any guy 239 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:52.879 that you're thinking of on day two either, unless you're thinking of Debentre Sweat, 240 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.240 which isn't happening with the Bengals. I do want to ask you. 241 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.799 I asked Dane about Amarus Mimsey yesterday and I you know this, Joe, 242 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.879 I've text you about him. I'm in love lust. Whatever you want to 243 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:08.639 say with the idea of having a Marius mim someone who has such a high 244 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:15.279 ceiling, how concerned are you about him? Because I get the lack of 245 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:19.759 playing time or lack of experience. At the same time, it's not like 246 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:23.080 he's coming off of an ACL or these super serious injuries. I don't think 247 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.360 he's anywhere near the prospects Cedric of Waey he was, even though Bengals fans 248 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.799 think back to him, I think it would be a heck of a pick 249 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:33.440 at eighteen. Yeah, I don't think the I think the injury part is 250 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.519 overblown. He's had an ankle issue and then got rolled up on again and 251 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.679 it kind of doubled down and extended his some of his durability issues. And 252 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.679 they had two draftable tackles. One went in the first round. One was 253 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.279 what a fifth rounder last year at Georgia, So it's understandable why he didn't 254 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.600 play right away. But at the same time, I see the upside. 255 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:52.320 I'd be like, if he went back or had another year at Georgia and 256 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.919 was healthy, played the whole year, and played the weight we see in 257 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.919 the small set of snaps we do get, he'd be a top ten bi 258 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:03.079 easy and maybe even top five. If you were doing two early twenty twenty 259 00:17:03.119 --> 00:17:07.559 five mock drafts and he was in that class, he'd be a top six 260 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.519 pick. And I think you're at that opportunity to get someone there at eighteen 261 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.480 is completely worth it and worth the gamble. Now the gamble is and what 262 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.039 are the red flags there? Is that the limited snap set eight hundred and 263 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:22.640 three snaps in his career, four hundred and two of them in past blocking, 264 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.039 which means that was a fifty to fifty rate at Georgia, which means 265 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.119 you know he was protected and it's true. The true pass sets are about 266 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.240 twenty five percent of his total snaps. Bengals are usually running in the forty 267 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.720 five to forty eight range of true pass sets, meaning they're not protecting their 268 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.319 offensive line. I think believe Orlander Brown was at three hundred and six true 269 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.720 passe sets last year. Amarius Mims was around forty. They're talking about if 270 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.960 he had to play, if Trent Brown went down. That is a huge 271 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:52.400 amount of pressure you're putting on this guy who does not have the experience doing 272 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.640 it. So when people say, yeah, his film looks good, it 273 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.880 looks good in an offense that's not going to resemble the Bengals. So it's 274 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.000 very hard to say what he's going to look like. When the other guy's 275 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.640 like jac Latham, right, like forty true pass sets like that, I 276 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.640 can see him fitting completely into the Bengals offense. I can see Tali Fuonga, 277 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.000 even though he I think you've fit a wide zone team more that power 278 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.200 running, climbing to the second level. I think you can do a lot 279 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.759 more with him run blocking, and you can expand what your offensive line can 280 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:23.799 do. So I have those guys before I have Mims. But the upside 281 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:26.799 is definitely worth it. If you nail it, everyone's going to call you 282 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.160 a genius and you're bold, You're It's worth it to take that risk because 283 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:34.720 now you've got a probably the freakiest best athlete at right tackle in the NFL. 284 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.640 It's one of those players, like we've talked about in this episode, 285 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.079 where they need to have a plan. They need to have. It's a 286 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:44.519 different kind of plan, like he's going to play right tackle, that's not 287 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.680 really a question here, but you need to have a plan to acclimatize him 288 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:49.359 to what the Bengals want to do on offense. You need to have a 289 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:53.920 plan to play to his strengths in the run game and in the past game. 290 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.000 And that's something that we've talked that we think the Bengals want to do. 291 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.920 We want we we think they want to be a little bit less straight 292 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:06.079 drop back. We saw a little bit of that with Jake Browning. We 293 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.640 saw an emphasis on play action and RPO stuff last year in the offseason around 294 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:15.000 starting around not quite this time of year, but right after this when media 295 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:18.400 was able to see any sort of reps from the team in practice for the 296 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:22.000 first time. So maybe that's part of it too, is if you draft 297 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.079 a guy like Amarusmins, you have a plan for your offense as well, 298 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:29.400 if this is going to be a centerpiece for you in terms of development and 299 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:36.079 in terms of scheme fit for a younger player who they had the top visit 300 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:37.960 with that the top thirty visits, Zach Taylor still conted a top thirty, 301 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.440 so I'm still conted to top thirty. They had the top thirty visit with 302 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:47.240 Amerius Mims. He played in big college football playoff games, you played for 303 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:48.839 a big program. These are a lot of things the Bengals like to use 304 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:53.039 their first round pick on, and you can see that again with Amarus Mims. 305 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:59.680 But to your point, Joe, that true passet projection is something that 306 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.440 Bengal have to figure out, and I think that's hard for all college offensive 307 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:06.640 linemen at this point with the way college defenses are playing. But let's wrap 308 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:10.440 up the conversation with some things we're hoping the Bengals will avoid. And I 309 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:14.240 want to bring up a point about how long they've gone without drafting a defensive 310 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.759 tackle and kind of tie that into the Dax conversation as well as far as 311 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:21.000 lessons learned and do the Bengals react to that this year or not. We'll 312 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:26.279 finish the show there coming up next. 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Here some 328 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:41.279 things that we hope the Bengals have learned and where I was going with this 329 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.880 James Yesterday after our show, I mentioned Bengals probably aren't going to draft a 330 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.480 first round safety for thirty years, like they haven't drafted a first round defensive 331 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:55.759 tackle for thirty years. Do we think that there's actually a reason to believe 332 00:21:55.759 --> 00:22:00.359 the Bengals will change their first round pattern of not drafting a defensive tax since 333 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:04.039 Dan Wilkinson in the nineties. Is there a reaction to the way their run 334 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.799 defense played last year, to the loss of DJ Vader, to the need 335 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.359 for depth? There is that a lesson we think they've learned that maybe they 336 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:17.359 should be open to top end defensive tackle talent in the first shoft Well, 337 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.759 yeah, I think they're go ahead. I thought you said Mae. No, 338 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:22.400 I didn't know which way Jake was going with it. It was pretty 339 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:25.920 open end to go ahead, Joe. I was going to say, well, 340 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.279 they drafted Mouths Murphy last year after not taking a defensive end since what 341 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:33.279 Justin Smith or if you want to consider David Pollock. Right, So they've 342 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:34.920 done it, and that's right after taking a safety for the first time in 343 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.200 thirty years, as you mentioned, Jake. So yeah, there's a precedent 344 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:45.400 there for them to break that a little bit and go defensive tackle. Yeah, 345 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.559 I think they're open to it. I think that the reality is is 346 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:55.480 that there's probably one, maybe two that they're seriously considering at eighteen versus five 347 00:22:55.559 --> 00:23:00.640 offensive tackles, and so is defensive tackle higher on their board than corner? 348 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.880 Sure, but where does that defensive tackle? And Byron Murphy fall does he 349 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:08.240 make it to eighteen? That's it. I think they're open to it for 350 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:12.359 sure, and it's just a matter of the board following the right way and 351 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:17.119 then them taking them. But I still don't think that they're taking Johnny Newton. 352 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.039 I would be surprised at this point, if they take Newton at eighteen, 353 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:22.079 not that they couldn't take him, Maybe they take him at twenty five 354 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.240 if they trade down. I just I'm not sure they would take him at 355 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:30.279 eighteen. And is that something that ties into some of our fears and some 356 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:34.160 of our things that Bengals should avoid this year? Why is the league so 357 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.200 low on Johnny Newton? Why wouldn't the Bengals pick Johnny Newton? Why have 358 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:42.759 the Bengals drafted Geno Atkins, this all decade player who played at a Hall 359 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:48.039 of Fame level and never gone back to that archetype? What gives there? 360 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:52.920 Is that something that we should be afraid of or hope they changed this year? 361 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.240 Joe, Yeah, that is one of my fears actually, that they 362 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.000 don't address the trenches until it's too late. And they've spent a lot, 363 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.599 a lot of trench picks in the third, fourth, fifth, sixth rounds 364 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.960 right and they have nothing to show for it other than Korda Bolson right now. 365 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.759 And I think that's I mean, you're taking low risk picks or low 366 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:17.359 chance of hitting right when you're spending picks in day three. These trench guys 367 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.799 go earlier typically unless you're draft on a nose tackle. Nose tackle is different. 368 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.519 That can be a Day three pick. I have got no issue with 369 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:23.920 it. Tyler Shelvin is what it is. But it's fourth round pick. 370 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:27.440 That's fine. I think they have tried to recreate the geno Atkins and just 371 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:30.759 in don't tap Eco fourth round pick as well, right, but they've done 372 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:34.400 it in the wrong ways. The Ryan Glasgow picks, the Andrew Billings picks. 373 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:37.720 Who actually is a really good nose tackle right now, maybe they should 374 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.039 have found a way to keep him and a whole onto that a little bit 375 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.920 longer. But Zach Carter things like that. When you spend these picks in 376 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:49.880 at best third round, your chances of hitting there are not very high. 377 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.880 And this goes for offensive offensive line too, whether it's Akiema dna Ge or 378 00:24:53.920 --> 00:25:00.119 Trey Hill or Deontay Smith or who remembers Rod Taylor, these picks are oh 379 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.279 chance of hitting. Spend them early. So my fear is, hey, 380 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.839 it didn't work out. We took a corner, and then my next fear 381 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.039 won't get to it is going to be what they can do in round two. 382 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.559 We took a wide receiver in round two and forced that pick because we 383 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:17.400 wanted to force these needs and get guys that could play right now and then 384 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.880 now we'll hit the trenches. And they've done this before, so I hope 385 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.799 this isn't the year. This is the year that they correct and hopefully the 386 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.759 board lines up. I'm not saying just take any trench player. Hopefully it 387 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.920 lines up that you can address both in the first two or three rounds. 388 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.839 Just want to list really quick the trench players they've used those Day three picks 389 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.640 on in the last I don't know, five years. So we got Renel 390 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.440 Red, who I'm surprised he didn't bring up in the fourth round trying to 391 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.799 find the defensive tackle. There you got KLi Kareem, who I think was 392 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.799 a pretty successful fifth round pick, and he came it Energy in twenty twenty, 393 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.480 came a d Energy started for you and played a lot of meaningful games. 394 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:56.359 But nobody's hanging their hat on that pick. Those are the best case 395 00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:00.400 scenarios though, right for fifth round, and they've dubbed better with edge than 396 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:03.079 with defensive tackle. To be clear, Cam sample a Day three pick, 397 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.119 but that draft also featured Tyler Shelvin, Deontay Smith, Trey, Trey Hill 398 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:11.200 and Wire Hubert who had to have a medical retirement, and don't hold that 399 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.799 against him. Then you come back and is Zach Carter, Cordell Volson, 400 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:21.160 Jeff Gunter and none of those guys are huge success stories. So just just 401 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:25.839 to put some names and picks to the conversation you were having there, Joe, 402 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.119 Sorry, James, go ahead with your point. No, no need 403 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:32.839 to apologize. You need to apologize to Cordell Volson because this backs up the 404 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.400 point. If you start as many games as he started, he's already a 405 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:42.079 success. He is for the expectations in the fourth round. And Joe said, 406 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.680 he's a success story. I'm talking about you one of you group Cordell 407 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.160 with those other guys, and well, he's just one of the picks. 408 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.200 He's actually one of their day three trench picks. He was the most successful. 409 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.880 That's great, but he's just one of the guys that they picked. 410 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:00.279 That's why. But if that's the best case scenario, correct, he's a 411 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.839 home run at that spot. If you would have told me that they were 412 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.039 getting this two years ago and they drafted him, I would have taken it 413 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:10.480 all day long. But there's obvious questions about him in his long term future. 414 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:11.319 It's not like you're for sure saying, oh, he's going to sign 415 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.799 an extension and be their left guard for the next eight years. And so 416 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.119 that's the point that I think Joe's trying to make, is if you wait 417 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:26.119 on the trenches, especially this year where offensive tackle, it's really hard to 418 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.079 have this many offensive tackles, and it's realistic to think one's there. And 419 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.839 I think that's what they are hoping, is there or it worth case, 420 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.880 and it'd be a great worst case. I think if you take Byron Murphy 421 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.359 at eighteen, if it's something like that, you're sitting pretty if all of 422 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.200 those guys are gone, then it could get worriesome, and so that I 423 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.880 think that is a reasonable fear. I just want to say, it's so 424 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:51.599 funny to me that there's this perception of Cordel Wolson. Then you compare it 425 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.240 to the perception of Russell Boating, who came in and started his entire career 426 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.200 in Cincinnati's a fourth run into your offensive lineman was hated the entire time time. 427 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.240 But when I but I'm a but, I'm a I'm a Quarto Wolson 428 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.119 hater, even though I try to be pretty neutral on Vulson. I just 429 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.480 was listening them there as one of the recent Day three picks. But it's 430 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.920 funny to me the disparity and the perception of Bulson versus Bodine given the similarities 431 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.559 in their draft position and what they were asked to do for the Bengals and 432 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.920 the limited competition they faced when they arrived in Cincinnati. I do know, 433 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:30.480 let's mistake again, right, Yeah, there's another lesson you're challenging, courtA 434 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.279 Wilson, if you, if you, if the opportunity arises, because where 435 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.799 there is later in this draft is on the interior offensive yes, point. 436 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:44.359 Yeah. The fear is is that they ignore interior offensive line until round six. 437 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.400 That would be the fear right is not getting because at worst I want 438 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.920 to leave with a Ted Kerris, Quordo Volson, Alex Kappa backup who can 439 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.680 back up all three spots. And I think they could do that in the 440 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.279 mid rounds of this draft. You can get your tackle. Really talked to 441 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.960 Dan yesterday. He does think that there are some solid defensive tackles on Day 442 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.440 two. I think we all agree with that. And so if you could 443 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.039 get your offensive tackle round one, land the right defensive tackle round two or 444 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.319 three, and you could double down later in the draft. I think that's 445 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:21.759 one of the more ideal scenarios for sure. If they miss on an offensive 446 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:23.839 tackle in the first round, do we hope they go back to offensive tackle 447 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.759 in the second round? What do we think there? Like, let's talk 448 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:32.400 about a hope there. In one final scenario for the show, they can't 449 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.640 get one of their favorite six tackles at eighteen, they picked the defensive tackle 450 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:41.519 instead. Are we just punting on letters on non a letter receive run offensive 451 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.640 tackle at that point? No, I think there are a couple options. 452 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.000 You need to be fortunate, you need to get lucky, I think. 453 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:51.720 But I think Roger Rosengarten is a good enough prospect to draft at forty nine. 454 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:55.119 He's young, he's been productive, he's got the athleticism, he's got 455 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.079 the size. These guys typically, I like if he goes top forty, 456 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.400 let's say like thirty eight, I'd be like, yeah, that makes look 457 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.200 at his prospect profile. He hits everything to be a Brian O'Neil if you 458 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.400 will, for the Vikings. Right. So, there are a couple guys 459 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.279 that can be there is Blake Fisher. I wouldn't touch him until the third 460 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.359 round. You got to get fortunate, and I think, like Kingsley, 461 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:15.839 Sue Mattea is going to be gone. I think Jordan Morgan's gonna be gone. 462 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:21.079 And even so, Morgan's probably a guard anyway. So it gets risky 463 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:25.000 for sure if you have to go Byron Murphy at eighteen, because the run 464 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.119 happens just before you. I think I just saw Peter Schrager's mock. It 465 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.279 pretty much had a run right up to where the Bengals picked, and the 466 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.119 only guy there was Mims, who, summer speculating, is a little bit 467 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.920 lower on board. So maybe the Bengals stay fine, we'll take Byron Murphy 468 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:38.799 here, which is what Peter Schreger had them doing. Makes a ton of 469 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.799 sense, I would hope. So here's a dream. I would hope they 470 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.960 get really aggressive in round two, get up, be one of those teams 471 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:49.319 that get into the top forty and get the one of the tackles that still 472 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.720 remains. And I don't even care if Roger rosenbaren there, because I do 473 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.599 think he could potentially be a starter. Yeah, that makes sense, It 474 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.920 really does, because the drop off is so significant, and then if there 475 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.119 is a run. And you don't feel comfortable with Blake Fisher at forty nine, 476 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.839 what if he goes fifty eight just because the team's like, hey, 477 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.519 he's not going to be around the next round. And now you're looking up 478 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:17.279 and it's this historical at least early on offensive tackle class and you don't get 479 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.359 one. It's one thing to not get a tight end in a tight end 480 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.559 class that's really deep like last year. It's a whole another to not be 481 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.680 able to get the offensive tackle. And that's why I think, deep down, 482 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.960 if you gave them truth serum, unless someone crazy fell that we don't 483 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.759 expect to fall offensive tackles the way they're hoping to go at eighteen. Yeah, 484 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.319 we've been saying for a while now we think that's probably plan A and 485 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.680 talking about getting aggressive in round two. I'm all about trading up in round 486 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:47.640 two if there's somebody that falls that you don't expect to fall. And part 487 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.240 of the reason I'm saying that is because of mel Kiper and Field Gates's alternating 488 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:55.799 draft on ESPN with Johnny Newton in the second round, and to go with 489 00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.480 that reporting from Jeremy Werner, who is covering the ALNI Pro. He works 490 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.200 for the Aluni Inquire. Johnny Newton isn't going to do any testing. He's 491 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.880 going to do his positional bills drills, but he's not going to test. 492 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:13.000 And that falling into the second round scenario is real. If teams care about 493 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.400 that, and some do, could be on the table, and if it 494 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.799 does happen, I think all three of us agree that the Bengal should be 495 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.440 very aggressive in moving up to get him. All right, let's do this 496 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.440 scenario a little more. And we've talked about it before. But forty nine 497 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:29.960 and ninety seven to move up to you call Brian Callahan and say, hey, 498 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.720 thirty eight, we'll give you forty nine and ninety seven. You doing 499 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.119 that for Johnny Newton there, Okay, just making sure I give up eighty. 500 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.519 I give up forty nine and eighty if if that's what required, you 501 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:44.319 got the extra thirunde. We're gonna play hardball here. I'm calling him about 502 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.319 ninety seven. It must us know that, I say, okay, eighty, 503 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:51.039 Yes, Newton's gonna end up a top fifteen player on our board. 504 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.759 Even that's with assuming he's only a seven point five aries athletic testing. Because 505 00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:59.319 he's not gonna test. That puts him in top fifteen, which I wouldn't 506 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:00.359 have been surprised if if he was healthy, if that foot was healthy, 507 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.599 and he could have tested if he was a ninetieth plus percentile athlete, and 508 00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:07.079 would have been a top ten player on our board. So yes, I 509 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.680 move up and I get him because I think he's a future Pro Bowl defensive 510 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:14.880 tackle. He was doing some freaky stuff playing through that foot injury at Illinois, 511 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.160 which is pretty mind boggling to think about. That's going to do it 512 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.279 though. For this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. 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