Or are you s s s hello? What a welcome pleasure, Luis Miguel
Salgado. This asks. I am very happy today because we are about to
talk with an exceptional woman, a psychologist who has worked a lot on the
development of the person, on how can a person live better, on how
can a person feel better? And for me it is a privilege and an
honor to accompany us today. Ale Espinola, how are you? Hello,
Luis, it' s a pleasure and it' s an honor to be
here with you and thank you. Thanks for everything you said about me I
don' t believe it. On the contrary, welcome to the truth is
that it is a huge taste. Let me introduce you to what you deserve.
Ale Espinola, Spinola is not a teacher in clinical psychology specializing in pregnancy,
motherhood, parenthood and childhood psychopathology, counseling and counseling in children, adolescents,
adults, couples and processes that encompass motherhood. He is a member of
the comprehensive clinical kid team, being an interdisciplinary group focused on the care of
women and obviously also on the biological reproduction child, providing comprehensive care to patients.
And for me it' s a privilege and an honor to have experts,
as is the case with my guest, and not only that, but
truly knowing in a scientific way why things are the way they are, and
there are things that, just as mathematics is accurate, are two plus two.
There are also certain questions that human behavior can, of course, be
identified and can change and transform on a scientific basis. So it' s
a privilege for me. I tell you to share, it' s going
to be very interesting, I know you' ll see it right now,
see it later and share it because believe me my guest is going to give
you a very good taste of mouth and if that' s okay with you,
we start at what taste. Well welcome, the truth is that I
' m really glad that you' re on this day with us and I
' d like to ask you beyond what you' ve studied, what you
' ve worked on, beyond everything you' ve spent time, effort,
money, all that. Tell us, who' s ale spinola, I
bid the thorn is. Who' s coming out? She' s hot,
she asks, she doesn' t, so who is she? No,
well, first of all, I' m a person, I'
m a woman, and I' m a woman who has a lot of
nuances because I' m a daughter, but I' m a wife,
I' m a mother, I' m a friend, I' m
a colleague and I' m someone who' s passionate about what it does.
It has its strengths, but it also has its weaknesses. Yes,
he has dreams. And I think the most important part of me is that
every day you learn, every day you learn something new and that' s
what life is for. And with this, then, it takes me that
part of giving something, not giving something to others, which is always the
part that worries me a lot. He hears in this integral part that you
are woman, mother, wife, daughter, No, obviously, because there
are many processes that one goes through in life and are processes of different kinds.
Isn' t it the same to be a son, as to be
a wife? Isn' t it the same to be a wife as being
a mother? It doesn' t seem like it' s a simple thing.
However, each facet and area of our lives carries its own speed,
its own intensity, its own formation and also, of course, its own
goodness, vicissitudes, problems, conflicts, etcetera. How you combine everything,
it' s easy to reconcile, how you divide work with family, with
the problems you hear, how you do it. Well, it' s
not easy, Luis, or it' s not easy. The truth and
I think that many colleagues who may listen to me or who share this profession,
we do have to try to balance. But there are also ten good
ones and there are bad days, and that' s what happens to me.
There' s gonna be good days, there' s gonna be bad
days. But I always think we have to try to live the moment.
That is to say, from such an hour to such an hour I have
my psychologist or therapist' s shirt in this situation and such at such an
hour I am the mother and such at such an hour I am the couple
and such at such an hour, for I am the friend. Not then
do I think we have to live in the moment, live in the present
and what we are living in the present is where we have to focus.
But it is also not easy to see it this way. And so let
' s say that I also have my accompaniments and my support because I am
not able to do that is my motto, that I always have it and
that I live it from my experience and of course, there are also days
that speak it does not feel good there are moments that bring crises, there
are also no difficulties and conflicts. And because I also have my accompaniments,
I also have my processes. I think we have to be that part of
accepting ourselves as humans, being humble also when we need that strength of the
other. And that' s what I' m kind of trying to balance.
There' s no meme. I don' t know if you'
ve seen it and if I don' t invite you to see it that
it' s so good, that it says how it' s possible for
you psychologists to suffer no longer see your notes, don' t review your
notes and ready as if it were all so easy and simple. Now what
is true. I' ve heard from some therapists that you can' t
give therapy, for example, your best friend, your best friend, you
can' t give your husband' s aunt, you can' t give
therapy to your children because, obviously, there' s an emotional attachment.
No, and that' s where an interesting topic comes in, attachment,
which sometimes becomes stigmatized. No one should have attachment. I have no one
' s fart, but the truth is that we all have and must have
an attachment, because if not, then the relationship father, children, couple,
etcetera, because it would not be good. It also depends on the
intensity of attachment and how healthy or healthy the ape and relationship are. Here
the question is it' s ever happened to you with your partner, with
your kids, with your dads, you suddenly say mmmm. Yeah. I
detected this one has a no. M detected this one has no? And
that little girl' s relationships aren' t and you have to keep quiet.
How do you handle that if you mean? Of course he does,
but he does I mean? And that' s also the idea from as
therapists or as these psychopsychologists, because heretics, I don' t mean,
I do get on paper because you said it' s very important. So
if you' re a psychologist, because you can be the perfect mom,
you can be the perfect thing, too. And I don' t mean
I take off my shirt and I' m the ale with her difficulties.
I hold on to the husband, too. I' m taking the kid
too, that is, yes, my crazy friend. Imagine driving me crazy
being the twenty- four- seven psychologist, because it' s hard.
Of course, yes, what I have learned and my theory and training help
me to see red lights or to detect things. But I' m gonna
be my dad' s and my mom' s daughter and I' m
not gonna be the psychologist, no, of course, and I' m
gonna be the friend no. I mean, I' m talking to my
friend and my friend is going to be the transparent person and I, for
example, suddenly is a saying no. If my friend is getting a divorce,
I' m going to go and I' m going to tell you
both we' re going to hlinch the husband, we' re not going
to leave my support, of course because I' m not going to do
it at that time. The psychologist, however, yes, of course,
I will see things, I will feel things and of course I will speak
to them, but from my voice, from my forest, I am the
person, no, the psychologist. No, and there are moments that,
suddenly you see something and you say ay So this is happening, but maybe
at that time I' m not going to tell the familiar familiar person,
very close, and maybe at another time I can tell her, but like
the friend, like the daughter, like the sister, but always taking care
not to combine yes, the therapist with the person I' m carrying right
now. No. Okay, hey, it' s really interesting about psychology,
because I think at the end of the way is, well, the
ways we really share, the way we all relate. And, well,
this is very interesting. And I don' t know if you had the
chance. I imagine you would see a movie called Analyze me with Robert de
Niro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot, I hadn
' t done it long ago, but I did see some parts and then
Robert de Niro. Not sure, of course that Robert de Niro and that
he is the psychologist of a mob boss, and well, they make him
pass some things, because the boss calls him here every morning at night.
It is true that you psychologists and more you who have a master' s
degree there that you serve children, young people, adults, couples, etcetera
in a different way. Yeah, it' s this part of immediate crisis
care for any of your patients. Yeah, just, for example, in
that movie, like the movie, because the problem is that it was played
with a hood. Not that we' re talking about a psychopathic structure.
Not then, and because I really saw Robert De Niro and the little god
of my life that something like that didn' t come to me. Not
because if they put you in a situation and if you watch the movie,
it puts you in a situation, as a professional, what do I do,
because it is no longer the therapist and the patient already, but it
is the patient who, because of his psychopathy, is dominating the therapist.
And there, all of a sudden, the therapist is at risk. Not
in my case, from my profession and from my experience, I have been
touched by patients because we see in the clinical setting, we see psychiatric patients.
They' re not all, all of a sudden. There are cases
that are psychiatric patients that are suddenly, if you have to be ready,
if you have to be seen on your cell phone, just in case they
call because you are in a crisis. I' ll open you up I
' m talking about young people who have suicide attempts. I' m talking
about psychotics, people who are psychotic like schizophrenia, for example, in this
case they can suddenly have buds and maybe the relative calls you. In fact,
I work together with psychiatrists and together we work with these patients and in
a certain way, we both work on whether they either talk to me or
talk to him, and we are accompanying the patient. Usually, it'
s not always because we' re dealing with this, not by whole team.
We work with the patient to prevent these outbreaks or these crises. But
of course you can suddenly vote for something, but it' s not always.
Not about the movie. If it' s an extreme or I think
Robert Noo had to call because if name disappears to the poor none. I
haven' t been touched by those cases. I hope it doesn' t
touch me because there is a capo and more because in our country that is
and I think that the film implements that is not that they are sensitive cases
and we have to deal with it. The therapists don' t tell me
something you' ve detected. You, as a professional in your area,
as recurring cases, don' t tell me names Evidently, don' t
tell me situations so that no one will feel identified. But the question makes
sense in this. You think that, for example, children have a tendency
to feel abandoned or to feel alone by parents, which perhaps has now become
fashionable in adults, that everything we don' t like about our partner we
call toxic, or now it' s very fashionable. The narcissistic theme.
Ah, he' s a narcissist. However, when you find yourself a
narcissistic person has very well defined characteristics and to qualify as a narcissist you do
not have to meet these characteristics. But the question is focused on this.
What are the largest cases in children, the largest cases that are young and
the largest cases in adults, whether they are coupled or single, loneliness,
suicide, children, perhaps they also feel alone at a very early age.
We talked a little bit in a general way. Yeah, sure, Luis,
well, look not at anything. I had this specialty, because a
lot of people think I just see moms. No. Or I get men
to my office and tell them because I' m not a woman. I
don' t have the female productive device you can take care of and I
can of course take care of them, because if you realize my specialty,
it has to do with all my patients thanks to my specialty. I'
m sorry I' m gonna interrupt you a lot of times, not go
ahead. Sure, sure, sure, I can take care of you and
you say it without crying. No, no, don' t walk him
yes, that' s right, but yes, I mean, because my
specialty, if you realize the origin of who we are as people, men,
women x gender, has to do from our first ties, from our
childhood, from our family dynamics. So in that part, that' s
why I work in children, adults and teenagers. Not then in the question
you tell me goes hand in hand with what I' m talking to you
about, because when lately the children I' ve handled. Or I'
ve seen in the consultation cases. There are many children who are exhibiting a
lot of aggressiveness, a lot of lack of adaptation to schools, rules,
standards, low tolerance, frustration and that generates a lot of anxiety. Yeah,
so I' m getting it from a lot of kids. Not like
that, but everything goes the same way. What happens good is that we
are currently going through a public health situation that has to see that there are
insecure parents, parents with fears, parents that, in a way you know
society right now, how it is where Mom and Dad have to work,
or Mom and Dad also have situations that today we are going to talk to
adults and everything is related, because they are people that parents who suddenly don
' t know how to accompany their child and their child are going down.
Torense frustration, for boundary problems, because they see insecure parents, parents in
fear, and that makes the child more anxious than he should have. They
have low tolerance of frustration and cannot adapt to society, as in this case
schools. No. This is what happens with children, with children, with
young people. How do you findtrans how the case is or young people are
currently living and I do not tell you, I say it several also specialists.
We' re seeing a lot of young people with depression, a lot
of depression. We' re seeing young people we' ve been with since
we were eleven twelve years old, that is. We are seeing young depressive
people, because young people who feel a lot of pressure in their society,
feel pressured by what we are living through social networks. And so, yes,
these parents who are living with insecurities, parents who are also bringing things,
because there are children who do not feel understood, who do not feel
understood and, in fact, because adolescence is very difficult, then add more
to what they are living around teenagers, because that is what they are going
through. And so we' re having adults with a lot of chronic anxiety,
with a lot of chronic depression, and this makes them suddenly dependent.
If there are many toxic relationships that are related by how adults are feeling today
and if you realize it, everything has a thread. Everything has a thread
from childhood to adulthood. And it seems like it becomes a vicious circle.
Not instead of someone breaking this circle. We seem to feed him more and
feed him more. I remember in my childhood and part of my youth,
I was silenced, my mouth turned, I didn' t mean I said
something like that and I was bursting in my mouth. Not today, children
are therefore, no, and they are called the generation of crystal. Don
' t touch it. No better take him to the psychologist. However,
I think it is very easy to download into you, from the professionals,
the responsibility that must be at home, the responsibility that must also be in
the schools, because then everything becomes a ping pong me or school made you
the little ball because your dads must educate them. Oh, yeah, but
your school should give them the right, healthy information. Oh no, but
then it' s your dad, ah, well, but then I turn
around and your psychologist must try what I don' t know how to treat
and then I wash my hands. No, I don' t know and
there you go and then I think it' s a very comfortable, but
very risky attitude. No yes, of course, and if you also realize
if you see dads who are insecure or, for example, in the networks,
how much information there is. Yeah, but sometimes I worry because there
' s a lot of information. They' re not professional and parents see
that information. I mean, like you say. You' re seeing a
generation of crystal that truth. I wouldn' t like to tag, that
is, because sometimes with tagging we' re holding the person responsible, but
we' re realizing what' s behind it, that is, if there
are young people or children of glass is, because you' re happening back
with these eyes or these children. What happened to these parents who had that
responsibility to form the identity of these young people, What happened to society.
Yes, because society is also part of all this. I don' t
think we' re a team. We' re a team where everyone has
to do their champagne, but of course, dads have to do their chamba.
But sometimes there are dads who feel lonely or confused dads, insecure dads
who suddenly get lost. But of course, we see right now a generation
yes, I don' t mean glass, but a very sick generation.
There is a lot of illness and I speak from emotions, from thoughts,
because since children we are not doing or we are not helping a structure,
an individuation structure, a security structure, an independence structure. Yes, why,
because the adults who are training the children also bring us many wounds and
those wounds that we have not worked, because we are projecting it to these
young people of the future. So, yeah, it' s a thread,
it' s a chain. But sometimes I say I' m good,
because it' s good that they look for us, perfect that they
look for us to be able to raise awareness of that part. I think
right now, yes, this part has been opened. As you hear,
I' m going to find the psychologist. Today I' m going to
find the psychiatrist, that that from my role or from my profession, is
what we' ve worked a lot. Is that already the psychologist, already
the therapist, already the psychiatrist, see us like any doctor, the doctor
that I have a flu, because I go with the doctor, well,
I have a depression, I go with the psychologist, I go with the
psychiatrist, because it is part of my health. Not then, good.
Even that, because you said it is very important, because if they come
with the psychologist, then it is good that they go with the psychologist,
so that we can raise awareness of that, inform the parents and accompany them.
In fact, since my work, I work that part, I work
with the parents, but I also work with the schools and I am let
' s say the connection of them two and we' re working together for
those children, for those teenagers. Hey, I was listening to you right
now, it came to my mind. This is precisely what this Kear team,
this comprehensive clinic, goes directly even to motherhood. It' s not
like we' re going to take care of the mom, because obviously,
the mom' s already transmitting feelings to me, fears of anguish, worry.
And then, evidently, there are n number of possibilities that if he
left her, that if he did not leave her, that if there is
some aggression, that if the child is desired, that if it is not
desired And that, obviously, directly and indirectly impacts the child, either in
a physical, emotional, spiritual way. What do I know And then,
you too are going a step back. It' s not like we'
re not expecting the kids. Let' s talk to mom, let'
s start helping her, understand what this process is. Because there are certain
things that no one explained to us, no one who is wild. We
' re just like wild animals. No one explained how to be parents.
No one explained to us how good it is more. When a child is
born, you know I' ll eat it. One weasel says don'
t turn it around and the other one says man, yeah, turn it
around. The other one says. Hit him on the back, no.
No. No, not on his back, not because his ribs are broken.
Hit him in the pomps, not the sterns, not because then he
walks and throws some awful punches. Not then, obviously, everyone talks about
how the party goes, but there is no education or at least there was
no education of its own. You, too, in the integral team,
in the integral clinic, in the kir team do not mean, work,
also strive to re- educate parents, children, young people and adults.
No, yeah, that' s all that stuff you said, that'
s the goal we have as a clinic. Not that I am part of
this team, because there, as I had told you, when we were
there chatting, that is, we have a pediatrician, we have gynaecologists,
we have the biological reproduction specialist that we work together, for example, also
a very important part currently our society is evolving. Yes, and that is
what we have discussed in many parts and in many places, that is,
there is already late motherhood, so there are currently many patients in the reproduction
processes, because there are mothers who want to be mothers after the age of
thirty- five. And because we have to do that process, because right
now, technology is going to live by the hour and of course, suddenly,
a fertility process is very complicated. And if the doctor sees or the
specialist, he sees that there are moms who are already suffering anxiety, depressions,
because that' s when today we work together, I, from the
beginning, work with these moms when they have their kids, that is,
if you' re a mom who had normal processes, we' re not
having depression with post barto we have said because, like you said, there
' s no rule to be a mom and we get all the same fears.
Now, imagine a mom who' s going through a fertility process that
that baby wanted so badly and when they have it in their hands, she
realizes the reality of things and all the emotional rolls come out. Then imagine
from the beginning working with these moms, preventing yes, this mental health of
diseases, preventing them so that these moms are healthy, being accompanied, because
we are going to be strong moms, safe moms to generate strong children and
safe children. Not if these children come with the pediatrician and these children are
suddenly showing us that there is something emotional more than something biological, because we
channel it in this part of the psychologist now and we realize that there are
emotional things because they bring this family dragging several situations, because it is never
too late. We' re working and we' re accompanying these people.
So of course, that is the idea of the integral part, of integrating
us all and of all being a team to be able to accompany these families
and achieve the integral health of all the technology. It has been mentioned for
a while that technology obviously plays an important role. It has gone a long
way, if you will remember before, for to see al al al al
al al al the product you had to take out some studies and as they
came out suddenly they printed them in leaves not and suddenly you saw it and
you said, because that spot, that is your baby. No. Then
we started to see how. Don' t I remember the studies that this
one is doing to see the al al al al ababy? The man'
s gone. But now they look very sharp. Now they look like photographs.
Now they look color, now they look already. Well, they don
' t print on three d I stayed there not that you already print on
three d there to the baby? However, there must be brutal technology by
now. How technology plays, for and against you, psychologists, you,
therapists, how it plays, because I also imagine that now we are all
hyperconnected, but hyper dispersed. Technology has come to unite and take down families.
I think technology has also come to really show what the person is like.
There are people who say no to social media came to divide families.
I think social media only exposed who you are. If someone doesn' t
pay attention, you won' t put it on social media or without social
media. How it affects and benefits technology. My dear ale then look into
my opinion and I tell you from the professional side. I think technology is
going to be good or bad depending on how the USS. Yeah, that
' s the part and the prime and key part, because I think that
as technology, as human beings, we' ve evolved a lot and I
think we' ve had a lot of opportunities from that part. For example,
right now with you how, since you' re in love, you
' re in love, right? I believe there and I am from Obregón
city and we are doing this and we are going to transmit it to several
people, since I work with several colleagues from Mexico and also work with Chile,
with Argentino, that is. Technology can bring us together a lot,
but we can get a lot of juice out of this. The problem is
how we use it and how we educate our young people, because I think
there' s a lot of education missing. In other words, people must
be educated, young people must be educated. It' s going to make
good use of technology. The problem is that we are not reporting, we
are not educating and there are many young people and children who are alone.
Yeah, or that we think about how adults give him the iPad, let
him have his cell phone and distract him a little while I take a break,
while I do what I have to do, or that the kid doesn
' t give up, but the kid' s gonna be with his cell
phones, he' s gonna be with his dad unsupervised and he' s
gonna be learning. How to move it, how to handle it, yes,
but without knowing what it is doing and without education. So I think,
in my opinion, technology is not bad. The problem is how we
are using it and how we need to educate young people of the future to
make good use of it, but good productive use, good positive and transcendental
use. Let' s not go with the experts now. I know,
I' ve seen I know first- hand people who take a course on
YouTube and already feel like coaches to people who call themselves psychologists because they spent
a semester of psychology. So, I know a person who was said to
be a psychologist to her because seen from a semester of psychology and I can
mention many chaotic cases. First, ask yourself the knowledge of a psychologist,
study, preparation is important. And the second question would be how it is
possible that society does not review profiles, it does not. Don' t
check to see if he' s sorry to ask. Hey, you got
a degree, hey, where' s your diploma? Hey, he'
s got a card. Hey, this one' s an expert, right?
Who' s the one who' s backing you, what a high
school you' re giving us. The first question would be what your opinion
is about this type of semicoaches. Semi psychologists, semipsychologists who no longer brown
the pill. And second of all, and they think they' re hurtful,
they think they' re right. And second of all, how can
you tell? It' s valid to ask your psychologist as a patient.
Hey, show me your credentials or not, yeah, because look you talked
about a very delicate topic and that, because it' s a current topic
and it' s reality, you' re absolutely right. You know a
lot of people. I also know several and yes, it is a very
delicate topic, because mental health is not played And it is not to be
seen in a semester, it is not to be seen a course of nine
months, It is not for and it is very important also to differentiate what
a coach is, to what is a psychologist and what is a psychotherapist a
clinical psychologist, not that it is three, are already after if they are
four very different things. A coach like that is a course, it'
s a course that is dedicated to that specific and the coach can advise clearly
that yes. The cosch can implement workshops, can implement trainings and advise or
accompany clearly that yes. But the subject he' s dealing with and it
' s a subject that, in a way, is something superficial. Yes,
a general psychologist, because he works in a general way, as the
word says, to understand, the branches and areas of psychology, but he
still needs to specialize if he is going to dedicate himself to the part of
mental health, because it is something else, and to be a clinical psychologist
or psychotherapist is to work and is to study specifically what are mental disorders,
situations of mental crisis and all that the human being has. And not for
something. We' re in the medical area, too. I mean,
yeah, it' s a very complicated, very complex process for me to
be able to work with mental health. So yes, it' s very,
and it' s good that you talk about it so that the audience
knows and we become aware. It' s not to play with this,
because one is isophrenia, a psychotic outbreak, a chronic depression, a chronic
anxiety, it' s not played. It has to be a person prepared
to be able to work on that part. Sometimes, when I see that
in nine months and already they are as psychotherapists and I said I at the
four years of the career, at the two years of the master' s
degree plus, the two years of specialty, that is, they count more
and not and add it up because, obviously, for example, a few
years ago they did not exist social networks. Now you have to be trained
and you have to understand how social networks work and then prepare to be able
to guide. And not only that comes technology. Now, with artificial intelligence,
I mean, you have to prepare. I think we' re 20
times more up- to- date. And I still have. I also
carry out my individual therapeutic process. I also have to carry out my therapeutic
process because I am a human being and apart, I have supervisions with a
psychotherapist who is my teacher, my tutor and who is specialized as a supervisor.
For me to be able to have that ethics and work with my patients,
then, if they realize it. It' s not easy this and
it' s not cosh in three months, nine months and I' m
already okay mental health patients, chronic, I mean, it' s not
a game. This and yes I don' t think it should. It
is an obligation as a psychotherapist that we have to show our title and our
professional card and not just our title, but also our specialty or our preparation
that we are either in that armchair or in that clinic or in that clinic
giving those services, because we have to show the patient that we are trained,
that we are professional and that we can support, because yes, the
human mind is very delicate, not also that they also charge what they charge,
that is, also in the economic part, because, obviously, today,
as we all say, because it is that my mechanic charges me cheaper,
not because it is operate, wait. We are talking about the life
of a human being, that is, in which, obviously, it is
also part of an investment, that is, if you want applause. And
batons, there' s a stream of people on the Internet telling you to
get up, get out of the mirror and I can, I can,
I can, I can, it' s done and you go out into
the street and I assure you that in the corner it' s neither done
nor used for two things, statements and affirmations. I think there are issues
that can work. However, if the advice of a professional is necessary,
it is not studied, they are prepared for something. Now I want to
change the subject with you a little bit because, obviously, there are many
stigmas for you too. There are many signs for you therapists, sometimes agree,
and this is very important that you hear it from the audience according to
the humanist current or the gestal current too, the Freudian current or the cube.
I' m not an expert on the subject, obviously, and you
can see it, but what is it that, according to certain currents will
be therapies, because because many times one as a mortal goes to a psychologist
and if the psychologist does not explain it, they will live a very bad
experience. I' ll tell you something very fast. One day I went
to therapy and the terapeute stayed there and said to me ahead I talk about
what you want to talk about There you have me, no, because I
like it on the beach and I don' t know what you imagine time
we see next Tuesday and next Tuesday this because I talk about what, because
of what you want already time is up. We' ll see each other
and that' s how he brought me not because he didn' t explain
to me what his current was like. I think it' s also a
duty of you to tell your patients to see this. It' s short
therapy, this is about asking you that, it' s about you talking.
This is about and this is the process, and maybe it will take
us three months, six months, two years, not for you to understand
that it' s a process. I' m right. That' s
right, you' re absolutely right and, in fact, right now you
were saying this. If you listen to me my patients are going to say
ah the alesi is like that because yes it is sorry is that that'
s what we have to do, I mean, in fact, the first
consultation that a patient comes with you. Our work is the reason to consult.
The first session is called a reason for consultation and it' s that
part to first know the patient comes for what he' s coming for,
what' s his motive, why he brought it to you if he already
had a history of therapy, why he comes with you. I mean,
that' s what we have to focus on and of course we also introduce
ourselves, because after that the therapeutic alliance is going to be made and the
patient has to know you, know who you are, know your formation,
know how your way of work is. And there it' s called the
framing, I mean, we make the framing so that the patient knows more
or less what it is, because there are patients who don' t even
know it' s a therapeutic process. Then you explain to him, you
make the frame and from there the therapeutic alliance is already made. Yeah,
yeah, I understand those psychotherapeutic models that exist. There are many, because
every psychotherapeutic model has its branches. Yeah, but it' s important to
the audience that they don' t think that because they go with a therapist
and that was the experience, for example, that you had. Don'
t look for help anymore. You have to keep looking, because if every
psychotherapeutic model has its shape, its style, there are also several. Why,
because patients are also several personalities. Then each patient will fit the psychotherapeutic
model, depending on what one is looking for and the personality each patient has.
But we too, as therapists, update ourselves, I mean, we
have to update each period, we have to keep getting ready, I mean,
I' m not anything else. I studied four years and then two
years and then another two years, and every moment I have to update myself
to know what' s new, how we' re discovering things and how
we have to accompany the patient. So I think that in this part,
as psychologists, we do have to give a consultation, which is the reason
for consultation the framing, to inform the patient and accompany him. But if
you or the audience ran into someone who, because he felt insecure, never
again j s number one ask him, that is you can also tell him
I thought this, I was hoping that that' s exactly what he was
going to do. The next question is the subject of the patient' s
expectation, because suddenly you as a patient come and say and where is the
armchair you already know the typical if where they colo There are no followed here
or suddenly others that you see there the box of CLINICX and you say oh
that they will ask me or what I will say others that carry the expectation
poorly focused. Not to say I' m going to ask my psychologist what
to do if I divorce or not. It' s not that it'
s not gonna solve you, or you' re not gonna solve it.
You' re going to be able to find tools to solve your problems and
your issues. So, obviously, you too as specialists, because you have
that against the expectation of the patient. No Now the subject of short therapies
has become very fashionable as well. No, and then there are therapists that
tell you. I give short therapy. The maximum is six therapies and you
go out because you don' t and I think also to give guarantees of
a mental process. I think it' s very reckless, I mean,
with six sessions you' re ready. I mean, seriously, it'
s all down to six sessions. My dear ale, then, look at
everyone, not everyone. If you get a psychologist who handles that, he
' ll tell you that, in my opinion and from my background, depending,
for example, if you' re going to handle a crisis or you
' re going to bring a crisis, because if it' s short and
maybe it' s six sessions, but you' re calming that crisis.
Yeah, but I, from the clinical approach, I mean, and from
the psychopathology part, I have to see yes, in six sessions I calm
that crisis, but what is it like to be happened, what happened after?
Yes, i e, what was the path and if that crisis was
repeated several years ago, or if this crisis was the vessel that overflowed from
what the patient was carrying, i e, I, from my role and
from what I do with my patients, I want to get my patient to
learn and understand what happened in him and that a crisis or reason for consultation
that comes my patient has a history back, has a background and when that
patient manages to understand the origin and manages to understand that maybe in his childhood
he had very different perspectives than now, or he thought that he was carrying
a lot of blame and he wasn' t touched. That' s where
healing is achieved. So I, six months, you' re talking to
me that it' s a month and a half, four or not four.
Yeah, a month and a half. You' re telling me the
minimum for the patient to get into consciousness, minimum three months of what I
work. Yeah, yeah. I have many patients who have come to me
in three months and manage to understand and understand and that achieves the healing of
what I work. But yes, in six months I' ll calm you
down, but he' s learning. The patient is getting to understand what
happened and that takes more. I don' t love talking to you.
Thank you for all the information you' ve given us, because I think
it' s very useful and it was necessary to talk about this, because
everyone does talk about currents, if you talk about principles, if you talk
about techniques, tactics. But I think it was important to talk about this.
And now it' s my turn because I really love psychology. If
I could go to school right now, at this age of psychology, because
I think it' s exciting. But I' d love to be here
now on what a good question. There are no good answers or bad answers,
and there' s a stream of questions, so let' s go
with different questions. They don' t carry an order, but I would
love to make them for you to know how you think, how you feel,
about certain aspects and certain issues you are. You did realize that even
I grabbed it, I settled in good to avenge it. We' re
gonna start from scratch to over and I' d love you to tell me.
Please. It has three dishes that are prepared with Chile. With Chile,
three dishes, yes, chila aquiles, ok or sole yes, yes,
wonderful achiladas. Tell me three things you can do very well with your
fingers, with your fingers I like to paint ok I read without seeing the
keyboard if it deserves those smokes. And it' s also a rake cell
phone. Tell me, please, three phone brands, cell phone the movista
cer and in you very good. Tell me, please, three things that
can improve eyesight in a human being. The glasses, don' t watch
the screens for long and get to really good veña drops. All right.
Hey, tell us, please. How you are with the wait you prefer
what you would always expect to find a parking place or never queue anywhere,
what you would always prefer to find a place to park wherever you went or
never have to wait in a row, in a queue, no, because
I found the parking lot to get there on time. As you are patient,
as you are with waiting, you are patient, no, you are
not patient. When you go to the bank and there are a lot of
people that you do, you start reading to see the phone or what you
do, yes, that is, it depends not if suddenly I' m
eating time, because if not, as a human being, you are upset
by the tolerance of frustration. But I do mean, when there' s
a lot of people. I get to read, I get to see my
cell phone, or I' m seeing people like they' re my breathing
moments. Great, you prefer cold or heat. The cold would rather be
on the mountain or on the beach. What do you prefer on the beach,
Which do you prefer Coca Quela or PEPSI Coca Quela, yes or yes
coffee You would prefer check the question. You' d rather understand and fuck
up all the lies people tell you or people believe all the lies you suddenly
say they don' t understand and throw mints that people tell me. Which
you prefer to fly or be invisible, fly, exercise outdoors or in gym,
do not exercise to the lient idea charm, ok. That' s
a very good question. I think it' s very, very obvious.
Which you prefer meat or chicken meat. Of course, there my God what
a wonderful thing he hears now we go with questions of yes or no.
Okay, they' re very quick questions and the idea is to have fun
and spend our lives here Okay. You' re happy, yes, you
think there' s life on other planets. Yeah, you did the homework,
yeah, you took the trash out, yeah, you' ve ever
hurt someone you love, yeah, yeah, you' ve betrayed forgiveness,
they' ve betrayed you, yeah, and they' ve betrayed me.
You have felt the happiness and fullness of life. Yeah, you can say
you' re happy, yeah, you like the red color, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I like you think in heaven there' s life after
death. Yeah, okay, you' d like to talk to an alien.
Oh, he does look good. Yeah. That' s the best
answer I' ve ever received. That' s the one. Imagine it
' s someone or predatory, not man. Hey, get me in,
please. Now how. When was the last time you sang for yourself,
the last time you sang for You, not for me, yes, for
You it goes karaoke, because yes the charm for me in karaoke, yes
let' s say it was the last time you sang in public, not
with people. How long ago that was a month ago How good to sing,
because I don' t know if I' m good, but I
love what your husband tells you. So ay hijita sings elsewhere, or yes,
suddenly if you' re surrounding and more than I know when she dedicated
it to him, ufff can also be. He' s got this clade.
Listen and tell me, For example, at a party you prefer to
sit or you' re the one who dances all night. I really like
to dance you, I really like to dance Hey tell me, please,
the memory you have the most beautiful of your childhood, the most beautiful memory
of my childhood. Christmas. I loved it, I love it, but
I love Christmas these days, but it' s because in my childhood my
dad was Christmas completely and family meetings, Christmas dinner, birth, all that
are the very beautiful memories that I have more you are better remembering data than
remembering images, because it is that I do remember both things, yes I
remember them, I mean, yes I remember data, yes, I remember
give you have very good memory. Tell us, please, and tell us
to know a little more ale when you' re sad, when you'
re low, when you' re tired, how you get up, what
you do, what actions you take to raise your energy. You give yourself
a chance to cry, to lie down if you don' t want to
know about the world or change the chip very quickly and get in action and
go ahead in busy minds. He doesn' t suffer, he hears how
good you say that part, because sometimes they tell us not as psychologists,
that there is a psychologist he doesn' t feel or he doesn' t
feel sadness. It' s not clear that I' m sad too.
I also have problems, or there are family problems that hurt and what happened
to me is that I can cry, I cry what sometimes I drive is
that I go to the shower and I take out all the crying here and
I get up and I say everything is going to be okay and I'
m going to get ahead. And if I start looking for a solution or
join another person who is my trust and is my pillar, we move on.
I feel sadness, sometimes clear, sometimes I feel pain, but I
' m not alone. That' s the important part. I' m
very motivated by the other people Tell us if you' re Picnick' s
day or not and the games start to go together. You know that all
of a sudden football, that volleyball and games that he pulls and jumps the
rope what game you say son we' re going to play this game because
you know you' re going to win and that you' ve always won
in that game. You have some game already identified or not, because the
ones I' ve won. That' s how I won the sack,
so he gave me everything for the whole, and Bollywool gave me all the
way to the last ball. You' re gonna put the last one in.
I throw Ahondeña very well hears and food. You like food, what
you like to eat the most. And the question would be if you had
to eat only two foods for six months. You can' t take everything
you want, but you can only eat two foods for six months. What
food you choose yes, for six months, I mean, I' m
not going to get me to eat that food for six You can' t
just eat those two that you choose, that is, by setting an example.
Only if I choose tacos and enchiladas only for six months. I'
m allowed to eat tacos and enchiladas. Ah ok ok ok then, but
I can combine, I can do it as I want truth, of course,
of course, yes, yes, yes, well, chicken. I
can do a lot of ways. In six months. Yeah, and I
feel like I don' t. My uric acid' s gonna go up.
Then the chicken, the chicken, the chicken and the tomato. I
really like the mother look I' m cool sure, you can do a
jet of things with that hears or the meat, but it' s going
to give me to be unique. Then I' ll talk to her.
How long you' ve lasted, not without being underneaded, without seeing a
problem, tell us how you talk, when you see yourself in the mirror,
how much you have identified. They' re the ones who really say
they have very special accounts. I haven' t smoked in six months,
just like I haven' t smoked in six months. I haven' t
been sad for six months, I haven' t done a damn thing for
eight months. You' ve identified him, this way or not. No.
I haven' t identified him, I mean, that' s what
I mean. I' m, I' m, I' m shades
of emotion. Sure, she' s not mad every day, no,
but once a week, of course I get angry good. I don'
t know what my husband is living, no, but I mean, I
don' t have a pattern that lasts a long time, but a lot
of nuances, so I don' t identify it. Okay, okay,
that' s great. Hey, we' re getting to the final straight.
It' s been a delight to chat with you before we say goodbye
Let' s imagine you have to give a message to the whole planet earth.
We' ve already been told that ale' s going to give a
message. It will be translated into all or languages, dialects languages, will
be transmitted over the Internet, by radio, by satellite waves, smoke signals
from Toko for the whole planet. What would this message be, my dear?
Ale well, it would be a message that I have learned a lot,
I have had a lot in me and I would like to share it
in public, that it would be for a long time and during our life
we have lived mandates that have told us what to do or that they have
told us that that is the right thing to do. But the important thing
here is that you listen to your heart. Always look for what you want,
what you love and what you dream and don' t be afraid to
get it. Wow, what a wonder to remind us, please, of
your social networks. If someone wants to contact you, how can they find
you, please, yes with pleasure, because on Instagram you can find me
how to Groba, sik Al la espinola, so attached to the spinola.
On Facebook you can find me as a sic ale pinula, but all separated.
And you also find me in Tiktok, where I am uploading more complete
videos and is equal to Groba, sik Al spinola, everything is equal so
you can find me. And so I' m here to serve you all
remember that if you can write with that forgiveness, you can write without t
and with P according to the real Academy of the language, but on the
social networks of ale it is with P as a psychologist, not without ass
pinola, and also on Facebook sic a spinola and on Instagram sic a la
espinola, so you can find it. There you go. I think the
best investment you' re going to make, regardless of whether you want to
buy a car, a mansion, whatever you want a hot air balloon.
You can buy an island if you want. There' s an island that
' s for sale for a billion dollars that I' ve already looked at.
I, I mean, not bad, I looked out because they don
' t catch me. He stopped me a tree. No, but good.
Obviously, I think the best investment is in your own well- being.
Then contact ale Go to therapy. It' s a basic basket,
they' re gonna feel better. That' s where we came back.
We' re also thirty- three years old, but here we are,
so really ale. Thank you very much. I embrace you with much affection,
I send you many blessings. Thank you for sharing with us and I
see you all. I hear them in a next chapter of what a good
question I am Luis Miguel Salgado. Good morning, good afternoon, good night
wherever you are. Ale many blessings for you, for your whole family,
a pleasure goodbye to