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Welcome to soft chore history. Welcome
into softcore History. I'm your host,

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Dan Rochester, and I'm joined as
always with Jake Goldman. Hey o first

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first mentioned, first mention, Rob
Fox, You're always the first mention.

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This is weird. He I always
try not introduced me if he could.

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No, No, I would go
the entire episode without mentioning his name.

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If you want to do the intro, go ahead, Jake, and joining

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us as always is Robert Edward Fox. The third yep, what's the other

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one? There's a confirmation name I
missed. Leonard Leonard Patron Saint of POW's

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is he yeah? And something else
I can't memory. He actually he's famous

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for the king. He did something
for the King of France. I don't

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know his prayers worked or something.
I can't remember what it was. And

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the King of France was like,
you're such a good holy man that you

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can have all the land you can
ride around on on a donkey in a

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day. So I would be kicking
the ship out of that donkey. To

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me, you just have like a
meal sack full of cocaine and you are

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smacking it on the ass just like
actually donkey punching it. Yeah, I

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literally don't. Yeah, Donkey punching
it? Do you go? Do you

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a straight line or do you just
find the dopest spot and ride a big

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circle around it. I would have
been like, cool, I'm gonna start,

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Uh, let me go to where
I want to start and where I

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would just go to the south of
France and like start at one point on

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a beach and then just make a
big fucking you and then just get to

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another point on a beach. I
would just have what's that country Monica?

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Monica? There you go? Yeah, just the French reviewer and the coat

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diesel Man language just sounds like something
about to spit up flat. Danny Donkey

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was actually my nickname with the cartel
my brief time with them. Yeah,

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Danny Donkey, Danny Donkey. I
don't know what it meant. When Dan

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was a pledge, they made him
put airplane bottles up his asshole for UCF

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Knights football games. Yeah, I
mean no alcohol was served at the stadium,

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so I had to so many balloons, guys. Yeah, it's crazy.

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It was a weird uh Fiji UCF
hazing technique, but all the pledges

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had to eat a bunch of balloons
to go to Mexico. And you know,

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it's really easy for me to just
squeeze one out with Crown's disease.

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Yeah, I can say, yeah, you d drop them out. Yeah,

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and leave it to UCF brilliance to
send people into Mexico from America with

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drugs in their butts. Yeah.
Yeah, Well listen, Jake, a

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degree from UCF many it means virtually
nothing. That's why we'd always paddleboard in

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lakes full of gators. To be
fair, we weren't much different there.

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No, just not totally not thinking
about the gator system there. But yeah,

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you have predators roaming your campus.
Actually, yeah, murderers, not

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just pardator I'm gonna say, and
I'm not just talking about Urban Myers players.

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They raped and murdered. All that
good will we've built in the last

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few weeks as all these new fans
that are tuning in maybe for the first

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time. Uh, we just squandered
your listening. I'm sorry. Yeah,

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they're gone, they're gone. Bye. See it's been real. Hey,

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Dante LUs what we're talking about today? Well, why don't you let me

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lead the show? Jake? Oh
okay, you want a little inner fighting

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for this show. We would never. We never didn't let you lead the

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show. You actually handed it off
to Jake. Liked you said he want

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for our counterpart? Well is he
our counterpart? Who? Yes, Rob,

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Yes he's he's our call made me
say his name? God damn it.

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Yeah. No. So today we
got a super interesting topic. It's

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called the East Indian Trading Company or
East Indian Company. They have, I

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mean multiple variations of the name.
I was kind of inspired by this topic

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by the Suez Canal, the debacle
that happened there where they couldn't turn the

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boat. Well, the boat got
stuck for what a week? Yeah,

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and it got it got freed on
passover. Yeah, because from Egypt on

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because of the times. Yeah,
exactly, it's interesting all that works.

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Uh yeah, I did a little
deep dive when I was high, just

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kind of like how that could I
actually elaborate on that a little bit ahead.

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It also makes sense because there was
a lot of sex toys on that

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boats, and your people are a
bunch of dildos, So it works out.

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Who's people, Jake, Excewish people, Jewish people. Okay, I

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didn't know if you're referring to the
Egyptians or no, No, I'm very

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Egyptian looking. Yeah, I'm team
Egypt all the way. Um, he's

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a big amorsdat guy. Well,
you guys were not time team ancient Egyptian

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transplants, right, I'm I'm a
Ramesses the second voter. Yeah, he

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was all hardcore until his fucking kid
died. Like what you Yeah, everyone's

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what's what's that old Mike Tyson saying
everyone's got a plan until Yeah. Yeah,

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It's like, I guess you should
have painted the rams blood above the

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doorway. Idiot. The guy turned
a staff into a snake in front of

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his face. He's like, I
don't buy it. Uh. Speaking of

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WI, should you ever find out
about Saint Patrick and those snakes? I'm

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not even touching that, dude.
It's so hotly contested on the internet.

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It was real snakes. Well,
so biology, we're the Catholics here.

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We biologists say that snakes haven't lived
in Ireland for way before Saint Patrick's.

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No, I think I don't know
if I trust science on this. Yeah.

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I mean his name was doctor Emmett
Goldburger, but wow, that's I'm

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just kidding. So yeah, I
did a little deep dive kind of on

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just world trade and supply chain got
into a really dark rabbit hole there over

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the weekend when I was high,
so I figured I'd go even darker with

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the East Indian Trading Company or Easton. Is it not a fun history?

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Not the funnest for whom for the
world, for their CEOs? Probably,

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Yeah. None of them got Kenneth
laide as as far as I can recall.

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No, No, nobody got Kenneth
Layde. But you know they did

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some uh some interesting stuff that kind
of impacted the world as we know it.

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So let's just get into it.
Yeah, Dan, because it's talking

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big geo Paul before you got here
today, he was just like it affected

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so much and they had their hands
their hands in like literally everything. Yeah,

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because they were bringing all the ship
was working like today times. Yeah,

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Like the sun never sets on the
British Empire and it's because of the

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East Indian Company, Okay, I'll
tell me more. So started as a

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few boats making voyages into the unexplored
seas on behalf of the Queen, at

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at least in England's mind, and
it became one of the largest empires,

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an army of up to two hundred
and sixty thousand soldiers. One of the

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largest economies in the world and one
of the biggest drug dealers and slave traders

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in This company had two hundred and
twenty six thousand military people. Two hundred

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and sixty thousand soldiers. Yees,
wait, so soldiers and sailors. Okay,

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it's still well still if you're a
soldiers, if you're trading company has

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a a team of mercenary. Yeah, well, I would assume they're kind

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of budging that, so like they're
probably counting like a person on a boat

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with cannons. Sure as a well, well we'll get into yeah, like

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you know, it all derived kind
of it all kind of starts. Uh.

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This is a little little bit of
an origin story here. Fifteen seventy

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seven, a man by the name
of Francis Drake is authorized by Queen Elizabeth

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the first to go on a little
raid in expedition. Yeah, he was

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a state sponsored terrorist as a Catholic, I can say that, right,

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yeah, right, right, So
it was fighting a Catholic crown. His

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boat and four others sail across the
Atlantic. They lose three boats and just

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traveling across the Atlantic to South America. That's just what happened back then.

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Yeah, you lose boats. Yeah, it's like if today, like the

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three of us, like we're like, hey, let's all go meet on

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Rainy Street and grab a drink.
And we all drove there separately, and

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two of us just are gotten horrible
car crashes and died along the way,

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right right, And we'll get to
the mortality rate with the East Indian Company,

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the e I C as I'll refer
to it. Is it low?

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It's not low? Okay? Working
for this company? Yeah, working for

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this company was weird. The uh
deathly you know, real boom er bus.

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Yeah, kinda weird. So uh
sails across Francis Drake, sails across

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the Atlantic, hits up Spanish South
American ports, robs them blind, takes

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a few boats himself, go through
the Strait of Magellan all the way up

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the West coast, chills in California
for a bit, then decides the Yolo

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as the first Englishman across the Pacific
in fifteen fifteen seventy nine, runs into

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these little things called the West Indies. Yeah yeah, yeah, like okay,

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like the Philippines and stuff. I
believe that's in Adnesia. Oh is

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the West Indies. The West would
mean the East Indies East yeahs yeah,

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the West Indies is the Caribbean.
Yeah, the East Indies I think is

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like Indonesia. Right, Yeah,
that it makes sense that crash from the

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records. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Well we're all here to help each other,

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that's right. Yeah, sparks up
a friendship with a sultan Baba La

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and loads up the Golden Hind,
which is his ship with a large hall.

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That's a rad pirates ship named Golden
Hind. The Golden Hind, Yeah,

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with something wildly exotic to Western European
whites. Spices. Yeah. Okay,

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I'm really thrilled you're actually talking about
this, and we'll probably get into

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spicetok a little bit more later.
But what were they doing before this?

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Was it even salt? Like?
What were they using on food? They

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definitely had salt, believe they just
take That's how you kept meat, right

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it They just made a porridge,
right, They didn't just lived off for

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they probably the garden herbs would imagine
maybe throw some wood in there. It

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wasn't cherry wood flavorless all right.
I know, I know to white people

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mayonnaise is spicy, but yeah,
they had some stuff, bake some bread.

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Yeah, I'm a big fan of
that. First off, they had

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cheese should be noted too. Cheese, Yeah, because we figured out insumer

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that if you leave the rack of
milk out, yeah, turns into fueling

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cheese. Yeah. First you get
the cottage cheese and then you just keep

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going from there. It's like,
well if I leave it out in the

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sun for longer, what happened?
Yeah, we'll just put some some leaves

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in it too, see how that
goes? Hold? Only get the goats

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one too? Ye, goat that
goat jizz? Is that stuff too?

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Let me get that. Yeah.
So he's got a ship full of spices,

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sails around Africa back to England.
Fifteen eighty gets back, celebrated as

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a national hero. First brit to
circumnavigate, right, that's insane. Yeah,

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nighted by the Queen. Gave investors
for people that invested in his journey

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five thousand x the return. That's
a great Roy. It's great Roy.

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Does game stop Roy? That's definitely
topical. No one was short squeezing him,

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No. Fifteen eighty eight, Our
boy Francis Drake gets the call again

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with Lord Charles to fuck up the
Spanish Armada sick, uh what trading?

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What's going on earth? They were
just like fucking up. Well he was

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in this straight in the battle.
Yeah, we're not We're not even at

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the East Indian Trading. This is
just like hey go do this okay?

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Yeah he was also are we are
you? Are you going to talk about

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him banging the Queen? I mean
so there's speculation. I couldn't find any

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hard evidence, but yet pretty much
speculation of Francis Drake was boning Queen Elizabeth

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the First. Yeah, hell yeah, the virgin Queen as it were,

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Virginia was named after her, but
she was getting it from Drake and I

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think Walter Raleigh too. It was
like both of the Raleigh was she loved

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her herself an adventurer. I actually
I'm pretty sure unofficially, like unconfirmed at

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least based on rumors, Queen Elizabeth
the First and pocahonas or Eskimo sisters with

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John Smith. No, with Sir
Walter Raleigh. Oh, Raleigh was giving

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it to Pokehonust like later like yeah, she he was after John Smith.

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She married Sir Walter Raleigh. Oh
so we got her actually when she was

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like of illegal, Yeah, I
could be wrong about that. It was

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Francis Drake and someone else that she
was like getting it. Let me look

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up who Clive Owen played in,
uh, the Second Queen, the second

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Elizabeth movie with Kate Blancheten was banging
her in that movie. I'll describe how

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what if it was just Clive Owen
it is he's a time traveler, Yeah,

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yeah, like Nick Cage absolutely.
Yeah. So Francis Drake, Lord

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Charles, they fuck up Spanish Ramada
because they have a small fleet of faster,

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more compact ships that just reeked havoc
on this their lossle once thought of

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invincible group of boats. Yeah,
that Armada was a pretty big Armata,

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but like turning radius was shit.
Yeah, they you know, they just

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giant, clunky boats. Robin knows
who it is now, Yeah, I

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was right, Okay, Yeah,
so they fuck up the Armata. That's

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so they capture brought back plenty of
Spanish and Portuguese ships and cargo, which

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kind of sprung their ability to sail
globally because before this, like I mean

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like Francis Drake's first expedition across the
Atlantic here he lost three ships just getting

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there, and it was kind of
a guerrilla expedition. They weren't the main

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naval power in the world. Now, their ships were kind of kind of

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trash. Yeah, they were kind
of trash ass ships for England at the

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time. But they get all these
Spanish boats. They allow them to travel

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further and uh, kind of getting
the mix with Spain and Portugal to dominate

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the Far East trade market in the
Indian and Pacific oceans. So ninth or

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fifteen ninety one, Queen Elizabeth grants
London merchants permission to sail those oceans.

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So this is all These are all
like kind of precursors to what kind of

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leads to the East India. She
was just she was just like, heave

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at it boys. Yeah, Like
what was holding them up before? I

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guess should we do it? For
whatever reason? It seems like everything I

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read you have to like pass everything
through the queen back then, Yeah,

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I mean it is an absolute monarchy, so terrible job. When they were

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actually doing that, she has the
Queen's just micromanaging every little thing. Yeah

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yeah, right, like what color
we're gonna paint the hall? When do

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we get off on Friday? Yeah, And she's like just get it out

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of here. And trying to get
dick down by Francis Drake or Sir Walter

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Rawleigh. Yeah, whoever's around,
Frank and round, you're gonna wish.

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Fifteen ninety two, Sir Walter Raleigh
captures the Madre de Dose the second Mother.

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Yes, this Madre did dose of
two. Actually, wait, isn't

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that mother of two? Yeah?
Yea mother of two. Yeah. When

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they brought it back to Dartmouth,
it was the largest ship to ever enter

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an English port. It was chock
full of valuable jewels, pearls, gold,

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silver, spices. But the most
valuable thing other than the ship itself

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was the rudder, which is the
marine handbook, which had a bunch of

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intel on China, India, Japan
and the rest of the Far East.

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Wait, the rudder has like notes. The rudder is the notes. It's

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like a it's a handbook. So
not the actual rudder, rudder of the

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ship that steers the ship. No, it's r U T T E r

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oh rutter Okay, rutter, got
it. I don't know. I can't.

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I can't talk when we're not we're
not as well established. Yeah,

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we're not here to expect correct pronunciation
out of you. I'm sure it's not

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even Madre did how did you spelled
those d e U s da? Mother

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of God? Yeah, I mean
it means mother of God, but also

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mother of God. I don't know
Spanish, man, you don't know.

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You don't know Latin letter, so
you don't even know alphabet that are based

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in the it's the same alphabet based
listening. I dated in Argentinian girl in

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college for two years, and I
squandered that by not learning a single lake

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of Spanish that wasn't Spanish. Is
dais God day in Spanish? I think

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that's just Latin Mother of God.
That's a cool name. Actually, that's

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a great name. Mother. It's
way better than mother of two. Like

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every time you see this giant ass
ship coming on the horizon, mother of

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God. Yeah yeah, yeah.
They capture Sarah Walter Raleigh captures that ship,

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and uh, they get the kind
of the playbook for the far far

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East. So they just learned and
they're like, oh, here's what to

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do in China and India. Here's
how to sail those waters. Here's what

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these people think. Like, yeah, here's what to say to them that's

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gonna be. Here's here's a little
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I mean, like you gotta think. I mean even today, doing

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business in the East is still like
there's classes on how to just conduct yourself

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for like doing business meetings and things
like that. Yeah, in Japan and

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China and places, So having that
kind of mental I'm sure it's just like

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off to the races for yeah,
dude, even today. So I read

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this hilarious thing a while back,
like just the gulf between like Chinese social

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culture and American social culture Western social
culture. You could say, it's just

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like way bigger than people give it
credit for. I've discovered this by like

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reading this thing about the troll operations
that all our major enemies are running,

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Like basically Iran and Russia and China
are the big three for like troll operations,

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and they were and they were just
like the Chinese one is horrible.

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Like it's not they're not good at
trolling on like social media and shit,

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And it's just because like they don't
understand how West like they just understand like

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the nuances of the like Western world
way less than Russia, which is basically

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a part of the Western world,
and Iran, which is in between.

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Yea in China's just more like to
the point, they really are. And

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then there's another thing that happened soon
after that where some Chinese official like gave

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a speech somewhere in Europe to like
a bunch of EU people, and he

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was like kind of just a big, like to the point dick about everything,

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and they were all pissed off,
Like the EU people were all pissed

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off about it, and the Chinese
guy was like, what I just said

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a speech? Yeah, like yeah, but so it's just and that's now.

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Yeah, right, that's right.
I could go I could talk to

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someone in China right now if I
wanted to. Yeah, let alone in

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fifteen whatever the fuck? Yeah,
where you've never been, right, you

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don't even know what to expect.
So yeah, that's I mean, it's

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a huge start. Yep. So
they get this ship, they get this

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playbook. For the next eight years, a lot of like lone wolf merchants

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kind of go out and do their
thing, Like Ralph Geitch, he kind

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of dips his tone into the water
in that part of the world. And

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we really get rolling in fifteen ninety
nine, when a group of merchants come

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together to form an alliance project to
pitch to the Queen, coming in over

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thirty thousand pounds or four million dollars
in today's money. Initially they were denied,

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so they up their investment to sixty
eight thousand pounds and in sixteen hundred

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I believe December thirty first, the
Governor and Company of Merchants of London,

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trading in the East Indies was officially
born as a long name. Yeah,

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it's the trash name. Yeah,
but they had the they have the capital,

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man, so someone someone had them
drop the du Yeah right, don't

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call it the Facebook, just call
it Facebook. Get rid of the Governor

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and Company. Yeah, yeah,
of Merchants of London. Now the whole

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name Press East India Company. But
that sounds to the pointe. Yeah,

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you don't the first thing. You
you don't hit the hit the you don't

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blow money on branding first thing.
No, you you gotta get the LLC

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going man, right, Yeah,
you're fillowing the paperwork, you're getting You're

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getting everything kind of like in order
before you actually launch. It's literally not

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how companies are made anywhere there.
I was like, this is a cool

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idea, and it's like, yeah, you do the branding first. Yeah,

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everyone disa branding, Yeah, which
is crazy like everything, Like you

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you have to have a random name
with a cool thing. Where's the gimmick.

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Yeah, it's like you gotta call
it like sky Frog and you sell

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fucking Twitter Watch crawlers. Yeah.
Whatever the fuck? Well, I mean,

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there wasn't there a fucking company called
battle Frog that sponsored the Fiesta Bowl

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for a few years. I have
no idea what they did use a battle

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Frog. If you want to sponsor
to the podcast, go ahead and reach

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out to us. I assume battle
Frog is no longer existent. Do you

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think invested in the Fiesta Bowl was
a watering scheme on its own? But

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yeah, no, the worst bowl
to possibly invest in is probably the Fiesta

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Bowl. Fair enough, So,
this group of dudes, it's six dudes

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who run this whole operation out of
Sir Thomas Smith's house. Classic story pretty

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much were awarded by Queen Elizabeth a
stranglehold on trade for the English with all

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countries east of the Cape of Good
Hope and west of the Straight of Magellan

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in Chile. That's quite that is
huge. Africa to Argentina. Yeah,

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yes, so any merchants, any
merchant found doing business in these seas without

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the proper license and approval from the
newly found company, we're subject to forfeit

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their ships cargo and faced imprisonment to
the royals satisfaction. Can you imagine if

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you were just like, you know, a normal dude from India sailing around

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where you've been your entire life,
and they're like, hey, what the

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fuck what are you doing? Without
queen promotions? British people just not for

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British So any British ships go out
there without this company approval. If you're

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just an average British joe with a
boat, you know, trying to rob

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India blind to feed your family,
it's not state sponsored anymore. If it's

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not state spot Yeah, if you're
not a part of that company, you

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can't do it. How was it
supposed to make a living? Yeah,

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it's ridiculous. So the company have
libertarian have one governor. Yeah, we

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should all be able to es,
especially on the open sea. Uh.

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Company had one governor who reported to
the Queen, and then they've made twenty

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four directors under that governor who reported
to a committee, a committee of proprietors

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that appointed them. Many of the
hallmarks of the modern corporate corporation were first

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popularized by the East India Company for
example. Example, the company was the

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largest and longest lasting joint stock company
of its day, so it raised capital

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by someone's shares of the So what
you're saying is you could buy stock.

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You could buy stock in the company. You could, you could. Those

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dividends were probably way cooler back in
the day. Like here's a gold necklace

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from a mummy. Like here you
go, right, Yeah, that's like

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the stock news the pearl necklace from
a mermaid. Yeah, we raided a

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pyramid and found cursed jewels. They're
really expensive. That's what big stock go

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up. Now Now it's like Manx, like CEO accidentally posts Penis on Instagram,

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stock goes down six percent. Yeah
right, Well, they would actually

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have instead of like corporate board meetings, they had meetings like kind of town

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halls with all their stockholders. So
they would just go in and start yelling.

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That's awesome. I would love to
be there. Yeah, which new

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about that? Every time I'm asked
to weigh in on a stock through cash

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app AMC right now, I just
screwed. I just write shit in all

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caps, screw right messages and rob
Yeah. So their board meetings were essentially

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Wall Street beats. That's awesome.
Yeah. Sixteen o one, Sir James

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Lancaster commands the first voyage for the
East India Company aboard the Red Dragon.

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Yes, only only good names for
these ships. Mother of God, mother,

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I actually prefer a mother of two. Fuck God. What's more impressive

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than a mother of two? Probably
single? Yeah you know what I mean?

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Yeah, there's no harder job single
mother of two, widow of two?

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Will you look up how to say
a single mother of two in Spanish?

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That's what I'm gonna name my ship. Solo Madre de dose yea.

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Yeah, so that's my boat,
the single mother of two, strong woman

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and God you sink your cash into
it Madre. All right, great,

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that's my fucking boat. I'm in
fact, I'm My car is pretty dusty.

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I'm just gonna write that on the
back of my car right now.

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I feel like you shouldn't. Why
you're gonna scare people that read Spanish and

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be like, why is this guy
riding round in a car that says this,

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because they're just gonna think there's a
single mother of two in the trunk.

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Yeah, pretty much like she was, like I was shoving her in,

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and she somehow she was able to
write it on there. It's like

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this will be my warning. Yeah
yeah, yeah. So James Lancaster takes

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a twelve hundred ton Portuguese ship plunders
that sets up two English trading ports with

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that money in what is now Indonesia. Uh sixteen oh three. Queen Elizabeth

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the First dies kim. King James
the First takes over and invest more money

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and uh ships into this company.
And they didn't even have to fuck him.

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Yeah. No, he was just
busy writing his Bible. Yeah.

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Yeah. Elizabeth was just like getting
dicked down, you know, and giving

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selling rights to everybody. And King
James was just like, I'm really interested

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in getting this book done. James
was like, I gotta write about my

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imaginary friend Jesus. Guys, I
don't need that kind of talk out of

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you. Easter just happened. You
say it's over, You got a year,

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Well you until Christmas. Guess that's
a big holiday for you. It's

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big w Where is it that the
Friday? Yeah, well it's a real

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good friday for you. Huh y
Can you guys rewrite history like he disappeared?

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He's not okay, Like yeah,
okay, sure, rolled that rock,

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rolled that rock out of the way, and then he ascended into this

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guy. If it's like if after
the last time Florida lost hip, No,

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he rose three days later, then
ascended forty days later. That's what

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I'm saying. I'd be like if
after Florida lost the last SEC championship,

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Jake was like, no, actually, three days later we came back and

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won it. It was played again
and we won the SEC championship. Yeah,

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exactly. Album is like, no, you guys just wide. I

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don't know, like what's to say. I'm sorry. If you can't believe

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a prostitute in a graveyard, who
can you believe? It's good? Point

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man? Yeah, wait, but
hold on. He was chilling for like

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forty days after he moved to the
rock. He yeah, no, he

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kind of just he was going.
He was going around making you know,

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he say goodbye. I feel like
that part's not talking about. One point

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he showed up to a party and
there was one of the apostles, Doubting

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Thomas. His name is Doubting Thomas. Still a saint. Somehow, I

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don't think you should be uh.
He he's a loser. Just sound like

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Trump the loser didn't believe loser.
Everyone knows its. Us shows up to

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a party and Thomas is like,
you're not fucking Jesus, and Jesus was

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like, yeah, here's my hand
and he took Thomas's hand, was like

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here, put your finger through my
hole and he made and he made Thomas

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Fingerham Jesus just strolling Thomas, Jesus
made. Yeah, Jesus made one of

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the apostles finger him to prove he
was Jesus. It's like gross out,

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just like it was. Jesus had
a couple uh crafts of the wine.

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Then night he's like Thomas, he
motherfucker. Yeah just put your hand finger

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like, look at this, you
bitch. You'd on think get happened?

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Yeah, you think he did.
Right after that, he did like one

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of those person that was about the
cross was bitch? Asked John? No,

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Mary Magdalen and his mom were they
I'm talking about the apostle? Oh

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yeah yeah yeah of all the apostles, bitch aske John was the only one

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at the cross. Do you think
Jesus was disappointed by that? Probably John

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showed up. He knew that's it, He knew it was gonna happen.

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It's like your birthday. Also,
if I was Jesus, I would have

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been that angry too, because like, yeah, he rose from the dead,

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but he still remembered, like he
still got crucified. Like that's still

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hurt, you know what I mean. Like if if you get your dick

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cut off and then you get it
sewn back on and everything's good again eventually,

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that still doesn't mean that you didn't
feel your dick getting cut off.

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You have that pain forever. Yeah, that's with you forever. Yeah,

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Like he he remembers getting crucified right
now, and he's like, you bitch

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anyway, Yeah, he ascends into
the sky. Mary ascends into the sky,

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like the prostitute goes to heaven.
No no, no, no,

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yeah, prostitute went to heaven,
but Mary and Jesus's physical bodies went to

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headen. So you guys get the
dow right, Like, no, okay,

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I think I think you are just
a doomed piece of shit. Yeah

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00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,240
that's fair. I mean we listened
to a burning plant. So yeah,

406
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:55,119
it's really same guy, same guy's
doing all this. You could be more

407
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,160
direct, It's all I'm saying,
Like, where's the fun in that?

408
00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:00,480
Yeah, actually I would trick one. If I created a universe, I

409
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,559
would just be playing dumb trades.
Why wouldn't you? Yeah, it's just

410
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,119
like fun. These guys, they're
like, an't see what these monkeys can

411
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:12,839
figure out? All right, So
let's let's get back on topic talk about

412
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:15,559
That's enough about Jesus for this one. Yeah, you guys can follow me

413
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,319
on Instagram from more Jesus talk.
Let's get into something a little bit more

414
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,640
lighter. Uh. You know,
as they started to expand slowly in the

415
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,720
sixteen hundreds, they get you know, they're pretty early on in the slave

416
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:32,240
trade. Yeah, they they as
they sail around Africa, they start to

417
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,279
think they are there people here,
and what can we use them for?

418
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:41,000
Yeah? So I will like bitcoin
the yah, Yeah, the value he's

419
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:45,079
exponential. People just there just looking
at them, like what do we do?

420
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,519
I don't know, is minding it? I guess it's gonna be a

421
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,519
thing. Maybe let's just invest.
Yeah. So, I mean they did

422
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,240
enough shitty things that I don't think
we have to address the whole slavery thing

423
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,519
too much. Um, it's pretty
like, yeah, they what a sentence

424
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,319
we don't have to cover? Like
that's pretty much. You know, we

425
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,359
know where that we know. Yeah, they start in sixteen twenty one and

426
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:17,039
they pretty much don't stop until the
eighteen hundreds. Yeah. Uh yeah,

427
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:21,759
ladies and gentlemen, Black History Month
is over. We're just gonna gloss over.

428
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:29,000
We're glossing over because terror. I
think we all what are years like

429
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,920
a history teacher. It's up high
school and you're like, there were slaves.

430
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,960
I think we all get the gist. So anyway, reconstruction yeah yeah,

431
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:42,680
uh so over the next few decades
and sixteen hundreds after the sixteen twenty

432
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,599
one, like from sixteen twenties to
like the sixteen eighties to kind of set

433
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,319
up shop in India China. Uh. Even though East India Company was technically

434
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,519
a private venture, it's royal charter
in battle ready employees gave it political weight.

435
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:03,440
Indian rulers invited local company bosses to
court, extracted bribes from them,

436
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,119
and recruited the company's muscle in regional
warfares. Say yeah, the Mughal Empire,

437
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,599
I believe, yep, uh yeah, you like at this happens.

438
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,799
This happens essentially every time there's colonialism
in from about from the discovery of America,

439
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,200
on for sure, where when Europeans
show up, a lot of people

440
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,519
have this idea of the European show
up and they just start cutting off everyone's

441
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,799
heads essentially, But they can't do
that at first because they don't show up

442
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:37,039
in numbers. But what happens is
is that certain smart but maybe short sighted

443
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,519
locals see this new power show up
and are like, you know what,

444
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:48,039
we can use these guys to fuck
those guys. And the reason the Aztecs

445
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,680
went down it wasn't because the Spanish, you'd just mean, and the Aztecs

446
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,920
were like, you're just trying to
live our lives. Like everyone around the

447
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,200
Aztecs fucking hated the Aztecs because they
were also a colonial empire, right,

448
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,559
subjecting everyone, yeah, just regional, subjecting everyone around them to whatever they

449
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,440
wanted to do. So the people
who they were fucking with were like,

450
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:15,680
you know what, let's use these
guys to fuck those assholes and maybe we'll

451
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:17,759
figure out the rest later. Yeah, and that didn't work out. Well,

452
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:21,279
yeah it was, but but they
get into a four year war.

453
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,880
Yeah the empire, let's use these
guys. The mool Empire was actually strong

454
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,440
though, and they just wanted to
use the strength to like tip the skit

455
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,119
because who are they fighting, is
well the seats or something. Just yeah,

456
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,680
regional kind of like tries. But
they also get into a four year

457
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,400
war with the East India Company.
They beat. The East India Company starts

458
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:46,720
in sixteen eighty six, goes till
sixteen ninety. Damn. The East India

459
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:52,200
Company loses, but they're given permission
to stay in the country because that's a

460
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,440
good idea mistake. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like if you beat

461
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,839
cancer, but you just let it
stays. You just beat cancer and you're

462
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,119
like, oh and the tumors like
just a little bit. You're like,

463
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,279
all right, tumor, you're so
cute, sweetheart with your little tooth.

464
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,920
It's really weird. Yeah, it's
like, you know, it's a little

465
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,920
skin, a little mole on your
skin, and it's just like, yeah,

466
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,720
that's cool, just a little I
just want to stay. You'd have

467
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:22,279
a good time. I like you, all right, he's sweet, old

468
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:29,920
tumor. Uh So yeah, they
uh, they stay, and they sort

469
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:36,200
of squeeze themselves into political power for
throughout the seventeen hundreds um by putting over

470
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:39,039
five hundred factories into the country and
hiring a bunch of locals for their army,

471
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:43,480
what kind of factories, because people
are thinking probably like you know,

472
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:47,799
eighteenth century or eighteenth century Industrial Revolution. Before that, we're probably talking like

473
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:51,519
what textile mills, that type of
ship? Yeah, okay, yeah,

474
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:57,680
uh So the London office of the
East India Company didn't concern itself with Indian

475
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,279
politics. As long as trade continued, the board was happy and didn't interfere.

476
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Since there was very little communication between
London and the branch offices. Obviously

477
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,119
because it would take like three months
to get a fucking letter, it was

478
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:15,239
left to the branch officer to write
the laws governing the company cities like Bombay

479
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:20,519
Calcutta. It should be noted that, yeah they named those cities too.

480
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,920
Yeah, those cities weren't named Bombay
and Calcutta. That's why Calcutta is not

481
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,119
Calcutta anymore. What's Calcutta, No, I'd forget. And Bombay's not bomb

482
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:32,119
Bombay's Mumbai, Mumbai. Yeah,
but Calcutta changed its name back or either

483
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,639
that or we were just referring to
it incorrectly, like when I was in

484
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:40,760
grade school, because that's where sister
Teresa was Catholics in Calcutta man, well

485
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,039
in Catholic grade school. Fuck dude, our fucking nun principle would come down.

486
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:46,000
She was great, sister, result
was the best, but she would

487
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:51,559
come down and always talk about uh, sister Teresa or mother Teresa, sorry,

488
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,159
and would just it was just like
the paint picture painted was so grim

489
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,599
that I was like, India sounds
fucking terrifying. It's just like everyone on

490
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,280
the street has leprosy, right right, it's just like the it's the play,

491
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,320
yeah, the entire like every like, if you're just walking down the

492
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,519
street in India, you'll catch leprosy
typhoid. That's it. Literally. Sixth

493
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:15,559
grade me one thought that, well, so this company's in India for two

494
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,920
hundred years, and we'll get to
a point where they do some really shady

495
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,199
shit in India or are we gonna
we're gonna gonna talk about it. We're

496
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,360
just gonna slavery it. We're gonna
talk about it. But it happens over

497
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,400
such a long period of time that
we're gonna get back to it, Okay,

498
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,679
it circles back, Okay, Okay. So meanwhile in the seventeenth century,

499
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:37,559
because I still weren't kind of like
they did so many terrible things that

500
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,039
I'm trying to like do this in
like a timely fashion, like, so,

501
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,840
yeah, take care of the sixteen
hundreds then seventeen and showed me the

502
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,960
amount of terrible shit he had on
paper before the episode started. He's like,

503
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,320
I could probably do two episodes on
this for sure. Yeah. Yeah,

504
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,880
but we're just gonna gloss overything like
slavery for the episode. You know

505
00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:00,880
what we're talking. You can imagine
people are property probably actually don't know much

506
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,800
about the African slave trade being used
in the East or was it just they

507
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,199
got involved in the normal like Atlantic
slave trade and we're just pumping them over

508
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:15,400
to them going Africa. I mean
they pretty much like I didn't. I

509
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,360
didn't know anything about I'm sure there
were Africans in India to some extent,

510
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,480
but I didn't know if it was
more than more than negligible. Right,

511
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:29,760
So meanwhile, seventeenth century Portugal and
Spain kind of fall off, and the

512
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,280
EIC's main competition was the Dutch,
who also who already had like kind of

513
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,679
an established company over in the East
as well. I believe they ran Sri

514
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:44,000
Lanka for sure, Yeah, and
uh also pretty prominent the West Indies as

515
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,400
well. Yeah, and like they
kind of just poked the bear. They

516
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,000
just kind of provoked the Dutch for
no reason. Um, the Dutch not

517
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:55,119
a big country, but a rich
country. Yeah, and full disclosure,

518
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:59,480
my favorite country to play an empire
total war is the Dutch. They would

519
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,400
start passing out pamphlets about the Dutch
and just kind of like ran a huge

520
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,679
smear campaign about against the Dutch,
saying that they would uh kind of what

521
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:14,360
we would call waterboard so like their
slaves, slaves and their their captives,

522
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,719
and they would burn their armpits and
assholes on fire. So what was the

523
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,199
British's bragg here? Were only the
second meaness to ourselves. Yeah, we

524
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:28,559
don't burn their butts. Yeah.
But what weird we talked about in in

525
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:35,000
the Lalaie episode is that the French
were there's still slaves, still horrible,

526
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,639
all that stuff, but the French
treatment of slaves was much more equitable than

527
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,480
as much as equitable as you can
be to a slave then the English system

528
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,719
and apparently the Dutch system. Yeah, this would be like Coke though saying

529
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,920
that Pepsi water boards their employees or
something like. Because again, these are

530
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,519
not nations, these are fucking companies, right, yeah, um, so

531
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,679
is the are the Dutchess democracy at
this point by the time of the American

532
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:05,559
Revolution, they are a democracy.
So all of this kind of mud slinging

533
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,199
pretty much causes the Anglo Dutch Wars, which is technically four different wars from

534
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,719
sixteen fifty two to seventeen eighty four. But it's fought entirely on the sea

535
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,599
for the most part, and it's
between these two companies. It's not really

536
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,880
even so it's essentially like a proxy
war like the US and Soviet Union had,

537
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,519
where they kind of one side would
kind of fight the other side,

538
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,920
but in like dumb little ways like
in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Korea and just

539
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,400
on the open ocean. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Fun.

540
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:42,280
Proxy wars essentially wars kind that they're
directly conflicting with each other in the ocean.

541
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,880
It's still war. It's not proxy. If they don't want to tangle

542
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,960
on land in Europe, it's not
a real war. I don't know if

543
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,079
I agree with you, but okay, I don't need you to agree with

544
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:55,440
you, know, I mean,
if the countries are directly fighting each other,

545
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,559
there's nothing proxy about it. They're
just kind of like you're misusing the

546
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:05,559
words proxy. Sure it's it's not
a full fledged land war, but it's

547
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,000
still all right. And I mean
during the time seventeen hundreds, they get

548
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:12,719
in the fight, these fights with
the Dutch, the French. Oh,

549
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,760
they're just constantly a war. Yeah, this is all all of what you're

550
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,360
describing is essentially what happened from essentially
post Spanish Armada up until the end of

551
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,000
World War One. And that's why
they didn't think World War One was gonna

552
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,960
be such a big deal because they
were like, oh, here we go

553
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,800
again, and it's all kind of
they kind of get away with what they

554
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:37,719
do because obviously the the British are
kind of distracted, like the government is

555
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,559
like, oh no, we got
we got a few wars to fight.

556
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,079
Well, the English Civil War goes
on in this time. Yeah, what

557
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,119
the sixteen eighties, I believe sixteen
sixties, sixteen eighties, something like that.

558
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,519
Oh, let's look it up real
Quick's the one regarding the seat of

559
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:58,320
the monarchy. Yeah, sixteen fifty
one, sixteen forty two to sixteen fifty

560
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,400
one, and then the Glorious Revolution. It was the sixteen eighties or something

561
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,480
like that. Yeah, which it
was just another English civil war, but

562
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,320
like no one died but everyone it
was like a Mexican standoffer. I don't

563
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:13,599
know. Back to India sixteen ninety
five, the e C was still financially

564
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,719
recovering from that war that they lost
to the Empire in India to the mcguals.

565
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:23,440
He the mcguals, and they had
seen its annual imports drop from a

566
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:30,079
peak year in sixteen eighty four of
eight hundred thousand pounds to just thirty thousand

567
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:36,320
pounds in sixteen ninety five, mainly
because of pirates. Pirates, Yeah,

568
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,400
they lost that much money because of
pirates. Pirates fucked their ship up in

569
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,719
India from eight hundred thousand to thirty. They robbed them, They got fucked.

570
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:52,159
Man, that's that's terrible. It's
essentially it's it's the it's the South

571
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,840
Park and it's gone. Yeah,
dude, like what what happened? Just

572
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,039
pirates they just did were they just
being so like all right, from my

573
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:04,599
understanding of the East India Trading Company, they had a lot of highs and

574
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,400
lows. Yeah, clearly, not
even in terms of just like oh the

575
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,280
pirates did it, like they hit
lows and then shit like that would happen,

576
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,760
So that was mine. They were
also terrible with their finances. They

577
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,920
constantly have to be like bailed out
by the British Parliament because from what they

578
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,800
what they wrote or what I read, was that a lot of the guys

579
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,719
cooking their books and writing and just
keeping track of their finances were like interns,

580
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,880
so they just didn't know what they
were doing. Just imagine Bob Cratchitt

581
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,760
and fucking Scrooges. You know,
Bob cratch It's there with a camp you

582
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,079
know, a little candle. He's
cold, he's like writing in his ledger,

583
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:52,360
and Scrooge is just like right.
Yeah. The accountants were essentially like

584
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:58,119
a low level employee. So like
imagine me doing the books for just fucking

585
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:02,159
like Amazon and Sacks. Yeah,
yeah, no, it's not a good

586
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:06,559
idea. Well back then, you
know you had to It wasn't just calculating,

587
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,000
but like you had to write everything
down like five fucking times. Yeah,

588
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,639
bitch work right, you're fucking wrist
hurts and shit. Yeah, it's

589
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,440
like you're typing it in a spreadsheet
and it's not even like you're right,

590
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:21,760
you just have a normal pen.
You're dipping the quill in ink every twenty

591
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,360
second, scribbling, God, that's
annoying. Ship. Yeah, so glad,

592
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:29,039
so you can afford a goose.
So we're gonna focus on one pirate

593
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:36,360
in particular here. His name is
um Henry Avery. Lucky you also goes

594
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,880
by John Avery, has a bunch
of alias. His name is Henry Avery,

595
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,519
say lucky you because it was easy, easy to pronounce, I know,

596
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,079
But the ship he takes is not. So I'm gonna struggle. So

597
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:52,880
the ship is the Ganji Sawi.
I think that's a name. That's the

598
00:42:52,960 --> 00:43:00,239
name means mother of four. And
so this is a Indian ship that,

599
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:07,400
historically speaking, is the richest ship
ever taken by pirates. WHOA, yeah,

600
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,440
this is he said, this is
an Indian ship. It's an Indian

601
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:15,719
ship full of jewels and you know, rubies, pearls, the usual silver,

602
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:22,639
gold. Uh. It carried a
total value up to six hundred thousand

603
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,840
pounds at it during its time.
So what is that? Well, if

604
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,239
third thirty thousand pounds was four million, then I don't know. Do the

605
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,800
math. That's times. It's just
thirty times twenty So what's four million times

606
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,079
twenty eighty million million that's worth eighty
million dollars. Damn, I could have

607
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,519
totally fucked that up, but I
think it's worth eighty I'm trusting you.

608
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:44,800
I'm not doing fast, I'm not
doing the math yet. Yeah, we're

609
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,639
not like you. It's like if
you if you found like Jeff Bezos driving

610
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,280
to a fucking Whole Foods. He
just took he took his like third best

611
00:43:54,320 --> 00:44:00,519
debit card. Yeah, free money. Yeah. But yeah, every or

612
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:07,519
every Henry every was a just former
British uh captain in the in the navy.

613
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:12,679
Well, we talked about this turned
pirate kind of standard we talked about

614
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,960
before the Yeah, here's what you
did. Here's you. You joined the

615
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,960
British Navy two essentially, and there
was basically three options. You spent your

616
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,320
whole life in the navy. Option
one are just four options. Option two

617
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:30,880
become a company man, yeah,
and you just sail privately. Option three

618
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:37,559
you're a drunk hobo treaking sailor gin
yeah. And an option four is,

619
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,679
uh, you start your own small
business, which is piracy. Yes yeah,

620
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,800
yeah, because you have all the
skills from the British Navy. Yes,

621
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,159
you are trained militarily, so you
just go become a terror and single

622
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:51,480
handedly almost bankrupt one of the largest
corporations in the world. That's awesome.

623
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:53,239
Yeah. Yeah, it's like if
we actually I equate this dann early,

624
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,519
it's like a Google, you know, like everyone works for Google, but

625
00:44:55,519 --> 00:45:00,360
then they leave to start their own
company. Yeah. Yeah. So to

626
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:08,199
appease locals and obviously India who just
got this massive ship full of goods kind

627
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:15,719
of just you know, taken from
under him, the government issues which government,

628
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,960
we're not the e C. Okay. They put out a declaration that

629
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:30,760
every and pirates are enemies of the
human race. Oh and they issue a

630
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:37,039
five hundred pound bounty on every's head, offered a free pardon to any informer

631
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,239
who disclosed his whereabouts, and then
they up that to a thousand pounds.

632
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,119
And this was actually the first worldwide
manhunt in recorded history. So could I

633
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:49,039
go back to something real quick?
Sure? Called him enemies of the human

634
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,880
race. Yes, you know that
gives me big vibes of what access of

635
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,920
evil? Yeah, which plays into
our ship. Don't change theme because we're

636
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,280
not original now, nothing ever original, absolutely not access of evil. Enemies

637
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,960
of the human race, of the
human race. Yeah, I imagine if

638
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,159
someone hacked again it's gotta back to
Amazon because these people are like Amazon or

639
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,880
just hacked the shit out of Amazon. And Jeff Bezos was like, people

640
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,719
aren't getting their groceries. These are
enemies of the human race. Yeah,

641
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,840
you're causing starvation. I'd be like, I don't know, man, I

642
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,800
think he's just they're just fucking you. Yeah, maybe you should up the

643
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:28,000
security right anyway, Shit don't change. Yep. They grant every no amnesties,

644
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:34,000
no pardons. Uh no matter what. He ends up kind of sheltern

645
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,599
is himself and the Atlantic Colonies kind
of gets never actually gets caught wearing the

646
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:44,599
curban caurribbean curb, the curbian um. Yeah, just kind of lives off

647
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,119
that balanty he stole. Why would
you keep working? Yeah, you hit

648
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,199
the jackpot. That's the last job. Fucking seriously, you need to what

649
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,719
else do you need to do this? He is constantly on the run,

650
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,519
and uh yeah, he's never really
he's never caught, but he's never They

651
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:04,119
never really explain where he ends up. He ends up dead in a brothel

652
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:12,280
at sixty five. Yeah, literally
more rum than man, covered in just

653
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,119
filth and gold. Yeah, lived
as good of a life as you could

654
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:21,920
live for what the pirates seventeenth century
pirates? Yeah, wow, else does

655
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,119
a pirate want to die? Pirate
goes that way? Yeah? Yeah.

656
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:29,280
He Basically that's the pirate equivalent of
Mario getting the star, yeah, and

657
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,760
then just running until the star doesn't
run out. Yeah it star doesn't run

658
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,880
out until you fall down like a
hole. Yeah, which he did.

659
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,320
He fell into a hole, quite
a few, quite a few holes.

660
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,679
Uh, seventeen hundreds. The company
grows to one hundred and fifty nine people

661
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,519
in the London offices who are in
charge of multiple regions. Even that salary

662
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:52,760
low, I mean a lot of
you got what half those got to be

663
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,599
interns, righting? Fifty nine people
in the London office who are in charge

664
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,880
of millions of civilians of different races
in different parts of the world, a

665
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,000
quarter million soldiers several regimes who are
not super pumped that they were there to

666
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,320
begin with, all over the world. During this timeframe, they're constantly being

667
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,440
bailed out by the British government with
loans because they were terrible with money.

668
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,480
As I said earlier, they're just
yellowing it. Because here's the thing,

669
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:20,639
this company's already spanned like one hundred
and fifty years, but no human life

670
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:27,199
has. So these people are getting
richer and getting older and yoloing, and

671
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,039
then the company gets fucked and then
they get bailed out because they've got too

672
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:34,440
many fucking fingers and too many pies. They're doing what every startup does,

673
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,679
and they spend way too much money
early, but they last so long that

674
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:45,239
they almost become kind of like a
respected it's an institution they become. They

675
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,800
go from spending too much money into
just being too big to fail, literally

676
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,880
multiple times, several times. And
the other nice thing too, is is

677
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,079
that they've lasted so long that you
know, the people mad about the first

678
00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,960
bailout are dead by the second bailout. Yeah, so who's they can't be

679
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:04,119
that? Like, no one's like, oh good. The records aren't on

680
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,480
like a digital record, right,
It's a parchment that probably is on fire

681
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,599
somewhere, yeah or gone. And
they keep getting in the wars with the

682
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,840
Dutch and the French and these Indian
governments because of the aggression of the e

683
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:19,280
i c. The actual English do
yes, yeah, so the entire country

684
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,519
has to go to war on behalf
of this company several times. Man,

685
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,880
I just want to read the the
like justifications for that, and in English

686
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,519
publications at the time like it's all
due there all go. There are company,

687
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,760
you know, like there are they're
a part of us. Yeah,

688
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,920
like I because I can imagine that
now. Maybe not so with Amazon or

689
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,840
Google. Well, I mean,
for instance, but if like Walmart or

690
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,639
something. I think a perfect example
would be like air Bus and Boeing for

691
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:53,039
instance. Yeah, like because there's
um geez, what was it. There

692
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:59,480
was some sort of illegal subsidies being
given Airbus I want to say, in

693
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:02,280
the Europe and it was making it
hard for Boeing to compete. Yeah,

694
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,719
and so we sued and then like
I think the EU counter sues or I

695
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,360
don't even know how that is all
up in the ass of every American fucking

696
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,280
tech company, right, So,
I mean, yeah, it's that shit

697
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,679
still happens. It's just not in
a level like all out war. It's

698
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:22,760
legal strong arming. But well it's
it's called what gray zone where it's between

699
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,360
peace and war. I believe it's
the term. I don't know, you

700
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,000
could probably correct me shrift Dan was
here, what correct? Yeah? So

701
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:37,199
the Battle Plassy in seventeen fifty seven
pitted fifty thousand Indian soldiers. Uh against

702
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,639
just three thousand company men. Gonna
have to assume only really one side had

703
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:45,880
guns. No, Uh, that's
not true. Oh both sides, both

704
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:51,519
both sides. I had guns.
Was one side more technologically advanced? H

705
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:54,760
No, there's a back room deal
that happens with Indian bankers. So most

706
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,920
of the Indian army refuses to fight
at plas. Yeah, easy war.

707
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,760
And that's not to say, Look, I'm not like being like, Oh

708
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,519
India, they're like primitive. They
didn't know the guns, like they weren't

709
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,840
inventing the best rifles and muskets at
the time. No, but this man,

710
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,880
this dude by the name of Robert
Clive, strikes up a backroom deal

711
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,920
with these Indian bankers. Pretty much
they win by default. Guys just throw

712
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:28,320
it down their guns. So they
bought them out. They bought them out,

713
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,920
They bought out these soldiers. Classic
diplomacy. Yeah. So Clide's victory

714
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:40,320
gave the East India Company broad taxation
powers in Bengal Bengal Bengal Bengal yea then

715
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:46,079
one of the richest provinces in India. Clive plundered the treasures and shipped it

716
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:52,599
back to London, keeping plenty for
himself. And this was a seismic shift

717
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,239
for the East India Company in seventeen
fifty seven, where they go from becoming

718
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,639
a trading company to really tax in
the ship out of any area they kind

719
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:06,920
of take over. I don't know
what the I don't personally remember what the

720
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,320
turning point is, but this sounds
like it because they're like when the British

721
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:15,199
showed up to India like they were
empires there, like it was they were

722
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,639
big, like you couldn't just walk
in and fuck with them. And at

723
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,199
some point it became very fun with
able and this might have been that this

724
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:28,559
is where they completely changed their business
model from focus in on trade to just

725
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:32,199
focus in on tax collection. So
they did what British had been doing for

726
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,400
hundreds of years, which is lording
over other people and collecting taxes from them,

727
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:39,679
not even in the name of the
queen, when you can just take

728
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,519
money tax a product. Yeah they're
the mafia. Yeah, Yeah, they're

729
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:51,920
taking protection. They're they're just feudal
pirates. Yeah. Even worse off in

730
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:57,679
Bengal. There's a little thing called
the Bengal Famine of seventeen seventy sweet,

731
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,199
which was actually engineered by the e
C. Wait, they made a famine,

732
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,360
Yeah, what they do so a
third of the population they ever saw

733
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,039
died. They forced farmers to grow
in edible, high value crops like indigo

734
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:15,719
and poppy. The surplus couldn't be
set aside for hard times. But it

735
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,000
wasn't the sort of thing you fed
your family on. That's the same name

736
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:24,000
that happens in that people complain about
now and corn law. No, not

737
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:30,159
with corner for a while in South
America where just farmers are more inclined to

738
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,880
grow cash crops than they are ye
food and it's okay, it's a cash

739
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,920
crops. They were also charging peasant
farmers fifty percent of their cash harvest,

740
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,920
even up to sixty percent to help
recover some of the losses of the taxation

741
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,599
of those dead peasants. Jesus once, you know, once they kind of

742
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,920
up the tax once people started dying, it's like, hey, there's not

743
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,800
enough people making revenues, so we're
taking more of yours. Ten million people

744
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:00,360
died. But the East India Company
had a bannery year with high profits and

745
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:06,840
uh record high profits. They would
go on not so much. The East

746
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,320
India Company, I had to look
I was. I'm pretty sure, but

747
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,519
I want to double check. They
would go on to use these tactics on

748
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,880
good old Ireland. Always comes back
they caused the Irish potato like it was

749
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,239
more it was it wasn't so much
a blight as it was just the English

750
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:28,039
being assholes that caused the Irish potato
famine. Yeah, that that checks out.

751
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,440
The English being assholes the Irish pretty
much always checks out. I would

752
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,239
like to say, although the Irish
potato famine happened after, I always like

753
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:39,360
to say that the English kind of
perfected their colonialism on the Irish right there.

754
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:43,199
Yeah, it's ye, it's a
good practice. It's easy, it's

755
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,920
a practice court. Yeah. And
then yeah, then there they go exported

756
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:52,719
around the world. Yeah. In
seventeen eighty four, British Parliament passes,

757
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,039
uh, the William Pitts India Act. This is in the midst of the

758
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,199
American Revolution, I believe, yep
uh, and we'll we'll get what's from

759
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,079
the American Revolution a little bit,
but just kind of wrapping this up.

760
00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:07,880
Parliament kind of saw enough with this
famine that they're like, all right,

761
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:12,280
all right, you guys, it's
time we have some British oversight. All

762
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,119
right, let's let them eat.
Yeah, just all right. So the

763
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:22,679
British government took any of the East
India companies landholdings in India, and it

764
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:28,039
was then under British rule rather than
the EICS. So what you're saying is

765
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:31,679
the English actually did not colonize India
for the first one hundred and fifty It

766
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,239
was really the it was a company. It was an English company that did

767
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,760
it. And then England was like, I were taking over, you know

768
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,719
how to govern better, and you
know what's weird. By the way,

769
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:46,880
what was seventeen eighty something, still
a monarchy, but not quite as absolute

770
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:52,719
as it was when the IC started. Well there's parliamentary procedure, I'm imagining

771
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:58,079
it. Yeah, George the third
was not the same absolute monarch that Elizabeth

772
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:04,440
the First was at all. Around
this time, it was a commercial stagnation

773
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:09,679
in trade depression throughout Europe. Directors
of the EIC attempted to avert bankruptcy by

774
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:14,960
appealing to Parliament for financial help.
Again. This led to the passing of

775
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:21,079
the t Act in seventeen seventy three, which gave the company greater kind of

776
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:28,519
control over American colonies and allowed it
an exemption from t import duties which colony

777
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:35,159
competitor or colonial competitors had to pay. Okay, so the EIC has basically

778
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:40,079
gotten the UK to every conflicts and
probably lost them America. Yeah literally,

779
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:44,159
Yeah, that's that's kind of like
one of the foundational things, like the

780
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:47,760
whole taxing problem, taxation without representation. So yeah, I mean the American

781
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,239
companies that are important tea had to
pay attax, but EIC would never have

782
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,880
to pay at tax when they exported
their tea to America. Makes it non

783
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,440
competitive, right yea, so it's
not very capitalist. Yeah, American colonies

784
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,679
boycott the tea um. The price
of tea actually drops because of the Act,

785
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:15,039
but it also validated the townshend x
Townsend. Townsend is that Townsend?

786
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:22,199
How do you spell it? Yes? Townsend Act set in the precedent for

787
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:27,119
the king to impose additional taxes in
the future. We're under the history category,

788
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,400
which is like an academic category.
I told you three times today we've

789
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,559
been like, how do you spell
it? I can't say things right like

790
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:39,000
this is well established, all right? So yeah, I mean obviously this

791
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:45,119
trigger is the Boston Tea Party,
Providence of mass Chusetts Bay is a very

792
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:51,400
problematic Boston tea party where they dress
up like Native Americans. Yeah, we

793
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,440
should cancel this. There's a lot
of there's a lot of problematic things that

794
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:00,440
happen pre revolution that inspire the revolution. For example, a justified police shooting

795
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:05,400
some of the maskers, the Boston
Masker. You guess who they shoot first?

796
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:07,199
A black man. They don't shoot
him first. He's just one of

797
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:13,000
the many that catches well, he's
he's also Native American. But but yeah,

798
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,519
I'm gonna do that one day.
And it's hilarious because it's like,

799
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:16,800
when you read about it, you're
like, oh, yeah, i'd shoot

800
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:22,519
them too, even though they're the
Americans. I'd do it. They were

801
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:28,400
they were being fucking nightmares. Were
they being nightmares? Clip because of the

802
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,079
tea? Yeah? I guess actually
maybe yes, it might have been.

803
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,920
I don't remember, but uh yeah, man, the Boston Maskers wild Hey,

804
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,960
John Adams got him off. John
Adams got those soldiers off. It's

805
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,400
weird in more ways than one.
You suggesting that John Adams sexually placated those

806
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,920
guys, all like fucking fourteen of
them. Yeah, well, you had

807
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:52,760
to do a lot of different stuff
when you were a lawyer. I want

808
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:59,159
to man, I want to see
historically accurate John Adams forty Yes, like

809
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:02,920
all right, boys, just like
a stubby man being like, oh what

810
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:09,320
about your coats and tick off your
I don't know that I want and that

811
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:15,480
had already had contact enough contact to
like know that these people weren't like from

812
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:19,360
heaven or like the Aztecs literally thought
that Cortez was a guy that's not me

813
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,599
me and like, oh, like
you know, the aspects are dumb,

814
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,920
like they actually thought that. Um. But the Chinese and Japanese were like

815
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,639
I've heard about these guys and fuck
that they're dicks. Yeah, they seem

816
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:36,599
like fucking dicks, and we'd rather
be dicks to our own people, yeah

817
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:42,639
than let them be dicks to all
of us guys. This is gonna end

818
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,639
up bad. Yeah, so yeah, I see. Establishes a monopoly of

819
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:51,519
trade. Uh with China. There
was an imbalance of trade, however,

820
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:54,760
as the Chinese needed far fewer British
items than the British desired. As a

821
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,599
result of uh, what are they? What are the war? With the

822
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:04,360
British trying to sell them well,
because China gave Britain tea. Yeah,

823
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,199
so yeah, what what what?
What is this? I see where this

824
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,840
is going. By the way,
we've got to create a demand. Gott

825
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,760
to create a demand. Uh so
you know you hit that black market and

826
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:22,599
you know you already have a foothold
in India and Afghanistan and Pakistan, which

827
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:29,920
where you can produce a lot of
opium in the Hindu kush and guess who

828
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:35,320
needs that? Who? Uh well, I don't need it, but super

829
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,199
don't need it. It's outlawed.
So but in like the early seventeen hundred,

830
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:45,199
China outlaws opium. But the addiction
situation there was. It makes the

831
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:52,920
most rednecked part of Ohio look like
the most Mormon church in Utah. I

832
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:57,039
don't know how else to put that. Just to give credence to the drug

833
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:01,119
we're talking about, it's pretty addictive. I get that, and they still

834
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:07,440
went fucking crazy for it. Yeah, because there's no m that's straight,

835
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:12,599
no ant there's no real anti education. There might be just people saying don't

836
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:14,920
do it or it's bad to do
it, but there's no real, like

837
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:20,280
persuasive anti education. Yeah. Because
and there's no pervasive anti education. Some

838
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,400
town elders like don't do that,
it's bad. Then you take a hit

839
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,320
of just straight opium out of a
pipe, you're like, right, old

840
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,519
man, it's not the it's not
the fucking same. So it's illegal in

841
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:32,840
China, but in the rest of
the world, the EISE has the exclusive

842
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,559
rights to be able to sell opium. What's a great trade. Yeah.

843
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,239
I mean people, by the way, are smoking opium in the UK as

844
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:44,559
well. Yeah yeah, and they
I mean they smuggle it into China through

845
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:49,280
the black market. Um companies,
investors grow rich, and millions of Chinese

846
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:54,280
men waste to weigh an opium dens
like millions where million created, like legitimately

847
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,280
they were all like to the point
where it triggers a war in eighteen forty

848
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,920
yeah, there wasn't opium. It
was called the opium Yeah, I mean,

849
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,960
dude, it's to the point where
so a lot of times people call,

850
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:13,320
uh the French generation that fought,
and I think it was specifically with

851
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,719
the French, the French generation that
fought in World War One, because so

852
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:19,000
many people died, men, young
men died in that war. They call

853
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:22,079
like the lost generation. But like
really, like, dude, how many

854
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:28,599
fucking Chinese men in particular probably were
lost to opium and the lost problem that

855
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:32,800
the Lost generations, and then the
British fucked them up royally in the Opium

856
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,000
wars. Just destroy them. It's
not easy to shoot a gun when you're

857
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:42,239
barely awake, when you're not an
off from a nice opium take. Yeah,

858
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,280
when you're just think about that next
fucking yeah, I can't think about

859
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,320
drug. I'd rather have my enemy
on than opium war. I guess heroin,

860
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:52,239
Yeah, I mean same, same, yeah. Yeah, that's why

861
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:53,880
the Nazis did math. Yeah,
that's the drug you want your enemy least,

862
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:59,280
right right, because they're nuts or
bass like current current soldiers take ripped

863
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:05,519
fuel, which is just meth sick? Is that state sponsor? The United

864
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:09,119
States? We give them meth.
We give them like a four uppers.

865
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:12,400
Yeah, yeah, called, it's
called ripped fuel. I forget what it's

866
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,320
made of. But do they talk
about in Generation kill all the time.

867
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:17,880
Fucking Dan Holloway just talk our boss
does the Dream Roads podcast. We're just

868
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,239
talking about how they do lines of
ripped fuel sometimes awesome. I'm looking that

869
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,800
up, well, compare it doesn't
compare to Cardo Max, So go ahead,

870
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,519
well what could yeah? What could? What is that it's our sponsor.

871
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:36,239
M Well, not for this podcast
yet, but maybe one day anyway.

872
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,960
So, uh, they destroy the
Chinese um and actually force China to

873
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:45,880
pay fifteen million dollars in restitution to
British mercians. Should be noted this is

874
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,800
just happens in the eighteen forties from
the Opium War. Yeah. By this

875
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,559
point, the British Army is really
fucking good. Yea. In thirteen years

876
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:59,199
they're about to beat the shit out
of Russia in the Crimean War. Uh.

877
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,119
I mean this is like probably peak
I would say, like the American

878
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:10,639
Revolution to eighteen we'll call it actually
to World War two is peak British Army.

879
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,039
And they get to keep Hong Kong. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's

880
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:16,599
how they got. Yeah, great
kit, great, great kit. That's

881
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:23,039
a five star prospect. By eighteen
fifty, Um, we'll go back to

882
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:26,280
India. So again, India is
kind of all over the like they have

883
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,400
India for two hundred plus years.
India is pretty collectively sick of the East

884
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:36,239
India Company by this time and weird, yeah, just tired of getting fisted.

885
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,039
Oh that little tumor, that little
tumer grew up and do a big

886
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:48,760
Yeah that little tuber probably be.
So this is actually a statement in eighteen

887
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:54,199
is actually just another human being?
Eighteen fifty six is a statement from the

888
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:59,599
Earl of Albemaller. I don't know
if you spell it. I'm not gonna

889
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,239
say. You said it right,
it's Albemar. Let it be. What

890
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:09,119
do you say, stop stop kicking
that dead donkey, Danny donkey. So,

891
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:13,519
according to his testimony, the Eic
practice deprivation of food and water.

892
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,360
They hindered men from their sleep.
They hung a necklace of bones and other

893
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:24,320
disgusting materials around their necks. Uh
uh, this is a punishment offensive obviously

894
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:30,679
the hindus anyone, hopefully but definitely
definitely. There's no place you can go

895
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:38,199
for the bone necklace and they're like, oh, you're wearing new human bones.

896
01:05:38,719 --> 01:05:41,360
Did take that out of the leg
just now, that's great. They

897
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:46,719
made men and women sit on their
heels, heels, so bows and toes.

898
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:53,400
Pretty much wall sets um they would
have. They would put sharp stones

899
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:59,840
under people's asses. They would strike
the head of people who pretty much defied

900
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:05,280
them anytime they talked. H pretty
much. They forced two people together to

901
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:12,239
go in a stupid posture by the
hair of their heads, so they they're

902
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,480
doing handstands for a long period of
time. Sure, yeah, I guess

903
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:21,719
is that not just yoga or no, it's it's not yoga if it's not

904
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,519
consensual, yes, right, torture, Yeah, oh, it's just torture.

905
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:27,800
Yeah, this is actually kind of
what happens, and I don't I

906
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,119
don't think this would happen now,
but you never fucking know. This is

907
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:35,480
kind of just what happens when people
just have free reign to do whatever they

908
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:40,480
want to make money, and they
crucify people to treats. Oh that they

909
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:44,519
saved the kicker for the last time? What? Sorry? What the pretty

910
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:46,440
much crucified people to treat They nailed
people to treat the nail. It was

911
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:50,159
rope, but same, I mean, was the only person I got.

912
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:58,719
Now, I suppose appreciate that they
were such pieces of shit that they were

913
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:03,920
like, fuck it, let's be
sacrilegious too, in a time when being

914
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:09,760
sacrilegious was like actually like a very
punishable thing. Like they were like,

915
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,000
you know what, fuck everything,
fuck it all, we're running drugs,

916
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:16,119
we might as well crucify. Yeah, well, I only I only appreciate

917
01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:19,159
that in so much as at least
they were just plain bastards. Yeah,

918
01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:24,280
there was no like moral high ground
they thought they were taking. Yeah,

919
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:29,920
it's not like I'm pretty sure like
there's not like a I mean that might

920
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,840
mean an official war. There might
be, but like no Christian, especially

921
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:39,280
a like very devout Christian, is
like down with crucifying someone. Yeah,

922
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,079
I'm pretty sure killings off the list
in general. Yeah, but we do

923
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:48,000
killing people, But I don't think
the Spanish Inquisition they weren't crucifying people.

924
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,480
Yeah the last time they crucified a
Jew. Like, might need to fact

925
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:55,000
check that, but yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't want another one

926
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,159
of them running around. But that's
not actually what a You know, it

927
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,639
causes an uprising in India UH in
eighteen fifty seven though, they start handing

928
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:10,960
out their soldiers that work for the
company that are Indian cartridges that are coated

929
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,199
with animal fat. Oh and obviously
that product UH is both against Hindu and

930
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:21,359
Muslim law. M not all animal
phase. I think it. No,

931
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,600
I think it's like pigging cow.
Yeah, is that we'll take. Yeah,

932
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,960
the Hindu and Muslims have different things. Well, I mean still I

933
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,720
just assume they piss off both groups. Well, I'm sure like two that

934
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,800
the Hindus are probably they're already the
Hindus would be the bigger, So Muslims

935
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,479
if they're handing it off to the
Hindu, so they're probably using it against

936
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,760
Pakistani Pakistan is part of India's point. Oh yeah, you're right. But

937
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:53,199
also damn so I would think it
would have to be cow fat because all

938
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:57,199
right, so here's the two moves. Here's the two options. It's cow

939
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,920
fat and it pisses off the soldiers
because the soldiers are Hindu, and they

940
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,000
would they would be employing I assume
the Hindu soldiers because Muslims are a lower

941
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:10,439
cast in India, like in general, that's not like I I know,

942
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,720
there is a cast system. Yeah, there's even if they say there's not

943
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,000
one anymore, there's still cast Yeah, Muslims are are very low cast in

944
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,680
India. Hindus are the high cast
um. So either they have cow cartridges

945
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:25,560
piles of soldiers or they have pig
cartridges for the Hindu soldiers soldiers to shoot

946
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,359
the Muslim soldiers with and that pisss
off the Muslims. Yeah, either way,

947
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,520
it's not good. Yeah, where
they just combine both animal fats just

948
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,399
to piss everybody. Yeah right,
I mean, if they're crucifying people's trees,

949
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,840
roped, they're probably yeah they're not. Yeah, yolo, yeah,

950
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:44,399
they're they're yolowing everything. I mean, it's at this point it's very clear

951
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,039
the East India Company has no shame. No, they really don't. Again,

952
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:50,439
I told you that's why we glossed
over the slavery because that pretty much

953
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,640
is you know, what, what
do you want us to say? Yeah,

954
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,680
you have to add about it.
Yeah. So yeah, eighteen fifty

955
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:04,239
seven, India rebels against this company
until July eighteen fifty eight, when pieces

956
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:09,159
declared after India kind of fights back
and takes it back. Brutal response by

957
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:16,159
the EIC resulted in deaths of hundreds
of their soldiers and other Indians. But

958
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:19,000
yeah, with this, this was
kind of the last straw. This is

959
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:26,119
the last stand of the East India
Company. The British Parliament finally has an

960
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:30,520
excuse interview once and for all,
and dismantled the company. The brutality and

961
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,279
chaos on both sides of the revolt
prompted the British government to take control of

962
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:40,600
India in eighteen fifty eight and in
eighteen seventy three, So like almost fifteen

963
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:47,279
twenty years later, the e C
is legally ceased to exist with the East

964
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:53,199
India Stock Dividend Redemption Act of eighteen
seventy three, and it goes into effect

965
01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:59,279
on the first of January eighteen seventy
four, dissolving the company completely. Damn

966
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:02,199
man, about their hundreds were pissed
they were dead. Well, yeah,

967
01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:05,680
we're fucking two hundred years dead,
three hundred years dead. Long, long

968
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:12,319
running company, older than America.
So you have to still in age a

969
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:18,560
y sixteen hundred to yeah, eighteen
seventy four, eighteen seventy three, Yeah,

970
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:24,720
to two hundred seventy three years old. No America, yea, almost

971
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,680
about the same man. Yeah,
how long was the Roman Empire? A

972
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,560
thousand years? Well, actually,
if you want to go, if you

973
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,359
want to count the Eastern Roman Empire
to two thousand years, shit, it's

974
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:35,880
a long one. Yeah, yeah, Okay, So they're like, I

975
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,680
kind of think the Eastern Eastern Roman
Empire is distinct, although it is directly

976
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,920
lineated from the Western Roman Empire or
the Roman Empire. I kind of think

977
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:49,960
it's it's a it's kind of cheating
fair, I guess I don't know goths

978
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:56,239
vandals. I'm just I went on
a deep dive on goths. Yeah,

979
01:11:56,279 --> 01:12:00,680
there's not much to Barbarian, but
I mean pretty pretty good for a company

980
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,560
that all I knew before this was
kind of uh well, I knew about

981
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:08,560
the rat but pretty much the only
exposure I've had to them is in the

982
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:14,680
Pirates of the Caribbean movies. By
pretty much, you do mean only yeah,

983
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,880
yeah, yeah, I was gonna
say, like, all I know

984
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,359
about the East India Trading Company is
the East India Company is like t and

985
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:27,199
fucking opium. But you have heard
of them? I have? How could

986
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:30,319
you not? Yeah? No,
it's um. I think it's hilariously fucking

987
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:35,439
ruined the America thing for the provision
pretty much they cost America or they cut

988
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:40,880
to the British America. Yeah,
although in the I think England at the

989
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,880
tire of the British at the time, like they didn't own the whole continent

990
01:12:45,039 --> 01:12:47,880
or at all, you know what
I mean. The thirteen American colonies were

991
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:53,479
not I don't think that profitable if
you could take thirteen states out of the

992
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,479
US. Not a lot of those
are either. Was like this company that

993
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,560
existed for two hundred and seventy three
years Jack and around. They were constantly

994
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,680
on the verge of bankruptcy, always
had to be bailed out by Parliament.

995
01:13:04,119 --> 01:13:08,359
And how many times were they bailed
out total? I don't I couldn't keep

996
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:12,399
you at least said three times.
Yeah, so basically, if you're bailed

997
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:16,239
out once a century, you're good
back then, well better than how many

998
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:20,279
times a GM been build out For
Ford for that matter, Ford took no

999
01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:25,800
bailout money. Yeah, Ford has
Ford has principles there. Yeah, I

1000
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,159
think they did something else way even
more fucked up or you know, something

1001
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:31,199
they can't campaign on, But I
don't know. I drive Ford, fuck

1002
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:35,199
it, Yeah, I have a
Ford. Yeah, I almost ran you

1003
01:13:35,239 --> 01:13:38,279
over with it in the parking.
That's true. You did almost hit me

1004
01:13:38,279 --> 01:13:41,439
with a car. You start a
bitch, and I like to think,

1005
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,680
you know, this is in the
past. No way that modern corporations could

1006
01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:50,359
pull off some evil shit like this
talking about look at all the oil and

1007
01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:55,199
gas. But again the theme of
our podcast, shit don't change. Have

1008
01:13:55,279 --> 01:13:58,960
I told you my my favorite conspiracy
theory that I have no proof of.

1009
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:01,560
Sure, we's here to talk about
oil and gas and that well, obviously,

1010
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,920
like you know everyone talk is all
in on like Haliburton and the Iraq

1011
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:10,479
War and stuff like that. They're
very real connections there with Dick Cheney and

1012
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,399
everything. Yeah, you can easily. Yeah it's not not all. I

1013
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:15,239
mean it's easy. I don't know
if there's anything happened, but it's very

1014
01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:21,279
easy to see the connections. Sure, and not like you can. It's

1015
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:26,720
fair to assume things or fair to
be skeptical. Okay, now you're setting

1016
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,439
something up. But anyway, I
was gonna say, my favorite conspiracy there

1017
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:38,840
that I have no proof of is
that UM oil companies somehow got car companies

1018
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:45,760
to make the first um Um hybrid
cars look super for lack of a better

1019
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:50,760
word, just like feminine and gay. Oh like the leaf in the and

1020
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:55,399
the and just the previous in original
pros being like an egg that you could

1021
01:14:55,399 --> 01:15:00,520
get in pastel colors. Like they
did that on purpose so no one would

1022
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:05,239
want, so that hybrid cars would
seem not desirable. Yeah, Like if

1023
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:08,640
you look up what a current Prious
like. If you think of a current

1024
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,079
Prius looks ridiculous right now, look
at what they looked like when they first

1025
01:15:12,119 --> 01:15:15,960
came out. Yeah, it is
an absurd looking car my my conspiracy that

1026
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,439
I have no evidence tough. Yeah, that makes told I would believe that

1027
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,800
if someone told me that, like
a report came out and I was like,

1028
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:26,960
oh yeah, like X Mobile was
like they wanted to press the public

1029
01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:34,439
urge to get it. No,
it's it's like when uh computers came out

1030
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,520
and they looked there, and I
think and the other one. What I

1031
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:41,680
would say is they also when there
were normal looking hybrid cars. This could

1032
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,960
be just a market thing, but
hybrid cars are typically more expensive to repair.

1033
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:48,600
Yeah, that could be a market
thing, but maybe they all think

1034
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,079
that has to do with just computer
chips, and they also fudge that.

1035
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:54,960
I don't know, but I do
think that is my That is my total

1036
01:15:55,039 --> 01:15:58,279
no proof. I'm just throwing it
out there. Thing is they were like,

1037
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,319
yeah, let's make them look fucking
as girly as possible so that no

1038
01:16:02,359 --> 01:16:06,039
one wants to get them. Yeah. Absolutely, I think honestly, they

1039
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:10,359
probably could have accomplished that by just
saying hybrid in it, or like electric

1040
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,560
mentioning electricity. I feel like Francis
Drake right now, how did we get

1041
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,760
here? That was his whole kind
of you know, I want to say

1042
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,760
an East India Company, you know, conspiracy shit. Yeah, dude,

1043
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:25,520
we're talking just fuck up not conspiracy
shit, fucked up company shit. Yeah.

1044
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:30,039
I mean, like who's more evil? East India Company or Enron?

1045
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,319
Yeah, without question. I mean
I would say, like a comparable thing

1046
01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:39,720
would probably mean testing couple thousand four
Mike Hays, Yeah, Nike with weaker

1047
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:45,800
stuff or NBA with weaker stuff,
but or like even for instance, with

1048
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,039
weaker stuff. Yeah, anyone with
weaker stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But

1049
01:16:49,119 --> 01:16:56,479
also like think about like Elon Musk's
family, were they like just brutal emerald

1050
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:00,000
miners or something like that, like
Dutch emerald miners in Africa, South Africa,

1051
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:02,279
like a lot of blood apartheid money, yeah, blood diamonds, yeah,

1052
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,439
yeah, minerals. Yeah, his
family he it does come from a

1053
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:10,800
white family in South Africa that you
know, didn't grow up poor at all

1054
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:15,600
and had apartheid, you know it
like benefited from apartheid. I don't really

1055
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,039
know Elon Musty, that wouldn't surprise
me at all, no, I mean

1056
01:17:17,079 --> 01:17:19,439
that or like even there's like I
mean, I would say, I don't

1057
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:26,479
know if it's shell the Deus we're
talking about Dutch folks, but like oil

1058
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:34,479
companies in Africa totally exploit the locale
and take over and fucking ruin water and

1059
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:40,119
shit like that. I mean that
shit happens like it's not it's not at

1060
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:44,279
all new. That's why acons that
are to save it. Acon is making

1061
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:50,439
Wakonda Acon City Akonda with a coin. Yea a coin. That's actually what

1062
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,840
are we doing? Final thoughts?
Here are we doing? Lessons learned?

1063
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:59,760
Yeah? Sure, what would you
learn from today's episode other than I'm just

1064
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:05,039
I learned that, you know,
a company will do what it needs to

1065
01:18:05,079 --> 01:18:12,199
do in this way, A corporation, a corporate corporate corporations are people in

1066
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:15,640
this way, they will do what
they need to do to get as much

1067
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:20,680
as they can. Yeah, they're
resource holders. Yeah, you gotta have

1068
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:25,239
faith. Do you think they ever
lived up to the original vision of the

1069
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,600
six guys that started the company out
of I think they Thomas Smith's house.

1070
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,359
They exceeded their wildest expectation expectations.
Imagine the first trip that they brought back

1071
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:35,920
just a bunch of stolen gold.
They're like, fuck, yeah, oh

1072
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:41,000
my god, this is great.
You got a boat full of what awesome?

1073
01:18:41,039 --> 01:18:45,600
It's shiny? Hell yeah, yeah, I actually assume that the first

1074
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:51,479
people that founded the company couldn't even
fucking fathom what happened eventually, not not

1075
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,880
the human atrocities, but just the
widespreadness of it, because like they go

1076
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,640
from like simple spice traders now like
waking like free. If I froze myself

1077
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,359
now and woke up in two hundred
fifty years and people were like, are

1078
01:19:04,359 --> 01:19:08,880
you surprised to see that we have
like eight New York's on Mars, I'd

1079
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,640
be like, yeah, I'm really
fucking surprised by that. Yeah, that's

1080
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:17,239
bananas. It's not expecting eight yeah, nor one. Really Yeah, Well

1081
01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:21,840
that's your takeaway, Jake, my
takeaway, I mean obviously top one takeaway

1082
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:26,640
with every episode of Shit Don't Change, Don't Change. Yeah, that.

1083
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,359
But I do find it interesting that
basically I always had this idea of um,

1084
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:38,960
British or you know, English colonizationist
being like a top of the government

1085
01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:44,039
effort to colonial wise different places.
I'd realized it kind of started with like

1086
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:48,159
some fuck boys in their business ships. Business boys. Well that's how I

1087
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,279
mean, that's what John Smith was. I know, I know, but

1088
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:54,720
like that's not what I guess,
like Plymouth colony, what I'm saying though

1089
01:19:54,760 --> 01:20:00,279
too is like considering, no,
that's wrong, because like Native America did

1090
01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:05,520
really have like like cities and government
set up before the ransacking. Like there

1091
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,079
was obviously, I think a lot
of Native American cultures load. I mean,

1092
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:14,600
like all of North America for sure
got kind of hit by a pandemic.

1093
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,199
Well right before yeah, we showed
up, and but like there were

1094
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:23,359
I mean, so there's people into
nomadis nomad Yeah, yeah, I mean

1095
01:20:23,399 --> 01:20:26,479
there was a there was a outside
of Saint Louis. It's called the Cookey

1096
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,560
Amunds. There were like there was
like a pyramid city. Oh they're all

1097
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,000
over like miss twelve hundreds. Yeah, yeah, so there was a whole

1098
01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:38,079
Mississippian culture. But it just yeah, but the twelve hundreds, like there

1099
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:43,079
was a full ass fucking city across
the river from Saint Louis, modern Saint

1100
01:20:43,119 --> 01:20:45,840
Louis. Um. Yeah, like
it was a city, a full city

1101
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,640
culture and everything, and then just
went away. And at the at the

1102
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:56,960
top, we we Europeans showed up
at a kind of opportune time, I

1103
01:20:57,039 --> 01:20:59,800
guess you could say, because they
were kind of down on their luck right

1104
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:04,359
at some I'm saying that's a little
different than the East India company showing up

1105
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,800
to an empire and fucking shit up. No, yeah, I mean the

1106
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,920
East Young jup to like like the
Mughal Empire was a full ass, like

1107
01:21:12,039 --> 01:21:15,279
strong empire. Yeah. So like
they lost too and then got a second

1108
01:21:15,359 --> 01:21:18,640
chance because they're like, you're cool. Can't let that tumors stay. Yeah.

1109
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:24,800
So what I learned is if you
managed to beat down a colonial empire

1110
01:21:25,079 --> 01:21:27,800
on your turf, don't let him
pitch a tent. Probably kick him out.

1111
01:21:28,319 --> 01:21:33,159
One please, just gonna drink my
gene. You're like, no,

1112
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:36,640
you can't have anything, get out, please leave. Yeah, we follow

1113
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:42,439
war go We're not cool man,
Yeah, can we come back? Everyone's

1114
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,199
in a while. Get your tea
year sam, did no? Just get

1115
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:51,760
out to sleep. That's it?
Uh day what you learn? Yeah,

1116
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,239
I mean I learned that uh a
lot of these modern day corporations and a

1117
01:21:57,319 --> 01:22:00,439
lot of the uh I mean,
obviously a deep dive a little bit more

1118
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,359
into the supply chain and just how
the world works. Over the weekend with

1119
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:10,039
Evergreen and all these ships kind of
getting stuck in the Suez Canal. But

1120
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:17,880
really, man, it's nothing has
changed now. Everything is just it's insane.

1121
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:23,600
How these countries, in these companies
will just kind of put forth profit

1122
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:28,760
over anything else. The more you
read history, like truly, especially when

1123
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,720
you get deep into it, like
even just write a book and read a

1124
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,800
book on anything, Like I'm reading
a book right now and from the Fall

1125
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,840
Room to the rise of the Islamic
Empire, and like I just read things

1126
01:22:38,359 --> 01:22:43,920
and I'm just like, that is
exactly what people do now and the impact

1127
01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:46,760
that it has on the entire world, Like we'll feel the effects in the

1128
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:51,039
next just from this from one tiny
boat being stuck in one little ass canal.

1129
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:56,159
Oh yeah, it's going to impact
the entire world for one to five

1130
01:22:56,239 --> 01:23:00,359
years. Like it's it's absurd,
absurd, But then you have an entire

1131
01:23:00,399 --> 01:23:03,560
company that kind of takes over the
world and dictates what it is now so

1132
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:11,800
sh don't change. And for that, I am damn regester. Thank you

1133
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,880
to Jake Goldman and Rob Fox and
you just got self served.