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Welcome to the Game Mesticides podcast, the podcast where we decide everything about the
world of games so you never have to think for yourself. I'm your host,
Jeff Grubb. With me is Mike Manati, and today's episode by Aware
is laying off a bunch of people, Opening Night Live, happened, Balder's
Gate, is healing the Xbox series S or something. I don't know.
Mike, first, how are you doing. It's a weird It's been a
weird day, hasn't It's uh so, yeah, you know, kind of
a bit of a jumble, but getting through there, Jeff, getting through
it. It's fun to be here. Always enjoy getting messy with you.
Yeah, I'm glad you could come and be my guest host for today.
Sure thing, Yeah, definitely. Uh well, we'll get into all that
and stuff. But yeah, it's been it's it's been a busy week.
It feels like tomorrow should be the weekend already, but Friday, but that
I guess that's nice. We'll get through tomorrow, go to the weekend.
I want to like record quick looks for a couple of games over on Giant
Bomb. It's like, man, we're gonna have time to do that,
maybe after upf since we'll do it earlier. Yeah, I would like to
do that that game Boy color looking game. Yes, I talked to Dan
about it. He wants to do it as well. So we'll get all
three of us on there for Bomb Rush cyber Funk, which I am working.
Yes, I'm trying to get cyber Funk or Cyberpunk Cyberfunk. Okay,
Bomb Rush cyber Funk. Uh. I believe let's the name of the gang
that you played playing in the game, so I think that's what it would
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We are recording a new episode of Game Mess Jeopardy tomorrow night. Mike
Oh oh do we we say? Oh we have yeah, yeah, Sure,
We got m A five coming in. I'm a five Foolish certified trivia
experts. She put put together the trivia game for Are You Smarter Than the
Games Journalists that I did at dream Hack with Dan and that was a lot
of fun, So looking forward to having her on. She's also has the
coolest like x shob of anybody I know, because she did the tramp tour
at Universal Students Hollywood, which is like just the most fascinating thing to be
ever. I bugged her about that so much, and she was a very
polite and patience that had a ton of fun stories. So yeah. She
mentioned that there's like several like celebrities that would come in and she would she
would give them tours, and eventually like a couple of would request her when
they would bring their friends back. And I'm like, oh, that's really
neat. That's a cool job. All right, Mike, I got a
bunch of big topics I want to get to you. You were ready a
lot to talk about today. Let's go, Yeah, bye, where's laying
off fifty people? I saw this story first from Dean on games Beat,
and then I looked into it a little bit more. I guess let's just
start from the top fifty people of the two hundred and fifty people that work
at buy Aware no longer there. These are not necessarily just you know,
like low level people, whatever that might mean. It's people who've been there
a long time. It seems like a lot of people who might be pretty
high high hind the chain and maybe have pretty high salaries. This feels like
an aggressive cost cutting measure for a studio that is being asked to cut costs
for the first time in quite some time, but they haven't put out a
game in a while. And then EA is getting pretty strict about this sort
of thing, and it's hitting BioWare right pretty much on the cusp of them
releasing Dragon Age dread Wolf, a game that is now expected internally to come
out next year, the summer of next year at the earliest. Is what
I'm hearing, Mike, what's your feeling on byware and these layoffs, and
there's a lot. The first thing that strikes me is just how interesting it
is that this is happening in the shadow of the incredible success of bolters Gate
three, a series that was started in the early days of BioWare. Right,
yeah, And and you know, BioWare has been having a hard time
since. It's hard to say where it started. To me, it almost
started in a weird wave of mass effect too, maybe learning the wrong lesson
there this this giant uh like their first really really big hit, I think
because everyone connected with the characters and the story so much, and their takeaway
was everybody like time we simplified things and made it more broadly appealing, right,
and they just kind of kept going down down that track. They had
to rebound a little bit. Dragon Age two went too far for everybody,
but then just some weird misfires and decisions. Anthem is just you know,
there's so much went wrong with Anthem all over. But man, it's just
it's hard to feel good about a company losing a fifth of its staff as
it's you know, really working to finish a giant game with huge expectations like
dragon Age. And then also they're gonna have to make a new mass effect
and they already messed that one up once. They can't mess that one up
again. What the hell is that going to look like? And you know,
again, I I don't want to be like everything's about Boulter's Gate three
now, but boy, you are now releasing your RPG in a post boulders
Gate three world. Expectations are kind of pretty high on that stuff. Now.
I don't know, Jeff, it's not good. Yeah, it's it's
rough. And you know, I talked about this a lot on Game mess
Morning, So if you want the detailed reporting, feel free to listen to
that. Just to summarize kind of what's what's happening here? EA is changing,
Apex legends is on the decline. Can I confirm that they said publicly?
They said they were too aggressive and too optimistic with their expectations for that
game last quarter. That's what they told investors. And now they're looking at
it and you think they regret canceling that titan Fall like kind of campaign.
Maybe I bet they're like, no, that was the right choice because that
would have been a lot of money, and then who knows if that would
have got bad people back on board. In my opinion, taking risks on
things people really want and having the best studio do the thing they're the best
at is the right answer I think for in EA's mind, that would be
like money good money after bad is what it is how I think they would
view that. The other factor here is that EAS has had this corporate restructuring.
It's no longer EA. Everything's EA. It is EA Entertainment and EA
Sports. A sports used to cover everything, where it's like, hey,
that money from Ultimate Team is paying for by Aware to be by Aware.
They could keep being by Aware, and now those are two separate buckets of
money, and EA Entertainment and you know, Andrew Wilson when they announced this
split, he like the words he used were like financial accountability for our leaders,
Like this was the writing was on the wall for this. By Aware
doesn't look as sustainable probably to EA when they are no longer looking at that
ultimate money as like, oh well, let's pays the bills. We're fine.
So made this choice. By Aware, made the tough cuts, and
now they have to go put out Dragon Age dread Wolf, a game that
was supposed to come out this year. That's what they were aiming. They
were aiming to put it out next month. Actually was internally was the first
original goal. I know, it's like impossible imagine that now. But now
now they're thinking summer next summer at the earliest. It was actually for a
little bit, they're going to be like March twenty twenty four at the earliest.
That's not happening anymore in no way. So it's summer at the earliest,
and they're taking people off of Mass Effect to work on Dragon Age dread
Wolf, So that means also Mass Effect is going to be even further down
the line. So yeah, it's you know, the games are bigger than
ever. They take more time than ever, and so the idea that's,
okay, well you you're taking more time and you but you're also gonna like
have fewer people working on these things. That doesn't feel like the right solution
here. And yeah, I mean you mentioned a couple of times, but
Balder's Gate three shows that RPGs can be, if not the biggest, among
the biggest games in the world. How do you not lean into that?
How do you not see that and lean into it? But obviously these layoffs
were in motion before they Ever three was doing. Well, this is all
reverberating from the ridiculous notion from way back when that all Thea's games had to
be online multiplayer focused and that's how we got an anthem. I mean,
Drameda has even more problems than that. But me and you know this,
there are people who just love Mass Effect and Dragon Age. They still care
giant torches for those franchises. How do you mess that up? Yeah,
they still care so much about those, right, Like many people still freak
out about and seven Days and stuff like that. So it seems like they
should have just been able to make those games. Well, I'll take breaks
here and there maybe, But now I just wonder, like what happens if
Dragon A dread Wolf comes out and it's it doesn't work, It doesn't work
quite well. Now, I don't want people to take away from this that
that's what we're saying, that that's what's going to happen. Now, that
is a concern, and we're talking about that hypothetical. Still, what I've
heard about Dragon Age dread Wolf is that they are pretty happy with where that
game is at internally. Now it's taking longer, it's taking more time,
it keeps getting pushed back, but that's every game, every game, that's
pretty much every game these days. It goes through those those growing pains.
So that's not some you know, alarm bell ringing or anything like that,
but you know, internally being happy with the game and it being able to
live up to you know, or live in a world where all of these
other massive games are coming out, you know, not just boulders Gate three,
but Starfield's going to be coming. Tears of the Kingdom happened. It's
like, yeah, if Dragon Age Red Wolf comes out and it's just another
dragon Age and it feels kind of like it hasn't grown much, you know,
if it's if it's as good as Inquisition. I don't know if that
plays as well, but internally they're pretty happy with it. So I mean,
take that for whatever it means to anybody. For fans, I don't
want people to be like, oh, let's go uh, you know,
like torches and freak out about this because the game is going to be terrible.
Now, that's not what I'm hearing. That is. That is kind
of like my concern though, that an Inquisition two would not be good enough
anymore. I don't know. I mean, that's my feeling, but uh,
but I don't know. Well, I mean, again, we we've
noticed this a lot of fans maybe that would be happy with that. I
think, you know, I think as long as they get the characters that
they really love for the most part of many of those fans will actually will
be happy. But we'll see. Uh. And that's thoughts about uh,
you know, Apex Legers. That's like a whole other side of this story
because there's been there's been some intense stagnation in the shooter market, hasn't there
been right where Halo wasn't really able to make that much gains, Overwatch has
been falling. Apex like it. It's it's like everything has settled down to
man. Yeah, I guess for I still doing well. Obviously some other
gimes are doing fine. I'm assuming that gosh, what's the shooter from the
League of Legess people, I can't remember the name of Valorent Fine. I
assume Call of Duty always does well, but it does feel like some of
the stuff's going off. And maybe it's ridiculous to just assume that we can
have five perennial online shooters that always do really what I mean it is,
I mean, by the numbers, the shooter genre is probably the biggest one,
like the biggest genre video game in terms of dollars and people who play.
It's probably the shooter genre. Maybe there there's probably an argument to be
made for some others, but it's very, very big. And that meant,
you know, at a certain times throughout our history with shooters, we
would have twenty twenty five different shooters releasing over the course of a couple of
years, and we'd have stuff like Time Splitters and Rise of the Triad and
all these other like the Tertiary shooters and I got the Pope, Yeah,
Black, I suppose we wait, we kind of get those these days is
mortals of adium count counts of something I don't know. Yeah, so,
but I mean it does seem like these days that money is all sort of
coalescing in Fortnite, and then a few other things hovering around Fortnite, like
Pubge's got a lot of players in Asia and he still does well. Yeah
and yes, right Counterstrike right though, in those but those are perennial hits
at this point. They don't leave a lot of space for not only like
new games, but like sequels to establish traditional games like Battlefield. Battlefield's been
struggling forever and that's Halo and Battlefield. Yeah, I mean, it's that
we're in a world where Batfield's one thing. It's where we're in a world
where Halo just can't quite seem to carve out a piece of the pie for
itself anymore. Right, So, I mean, I'm like, I am
hesitant to go be like well, and this is the problem with with live
service games because obviously live service games have made a lot of money for the
shooter genre, and Apex Legends did pay a lot of the bills for a
lot of these other games at EA and enabled a lot of things and it
was a massive hit. So it's like it did work for many years and
that's okay, right, Like you made us, and you made a product,
you put it out there, it's succeeded for and paid. They made
all this money for several years, and now it's not doing that anymore and
you got to make something new. That's just the way it used to work,
just on a shorter timeline. So it's like, oh, they expanded
that timeline. That's nothing but a good thing. It's just that, okay,
well, how do you make something to replace Apex Legends because back the
day it would have been like make a sequel the old one goes away,
here's the one. And now there's no like obvious pathway. We did that.
It works so well, right, Yeah, I don't think there could
be a better illustration of this problem, right that I over Watch two is
like how do we figure this out? And they had no idea and it's
like we will sell, well, we want this, and it's like to
them, it's like that doesn't make any sense. We gotta kind of like
straddle all these different lines. So yeah, but I mean yeah, internally,
Apex Legends on the decline. They're not expecting it to be the big
thing for them going forward. Maybe maybe they were able to bring it back.
It's not going to like go away overnight. It'll keep making money for
them, but it's not going to be the answer to their problems. They
will be looking for the next thing and we'll see whatever that's going to be
or whatever it'll look like. Maybe it'll be maybe actually we'll be battlefield this
time. We'll see right Metal vonn or bring it back again again again again
that since it's time. Remember that VR game that came out like a few
years ago. I bet you don't. I don't. I did not almost
respond or it was a respawn. Yeah, it was a respond game that
they I think it was a deal they made with Oculus before bought them,
And I remember hearing the stories about that game, and it was it was
just going to be a shooter. And then he's like, Okay, well
we'll let you keep doing this because obviously of the contract contractual obligations, but
can you make it a medal of honor game? It's like, yeah,
I guess sure. It can't be that hard at that point, huh,
totally all right. We got some other stories here, but real quick right
before we went live. Excite Like sixty four is coming August thirty to Nintendo
Switch Online. Boy, I just can't say stay state how much I like
that game. It is so so good. Get one of those technical extreme
sports games from the n sixty four genre. It has done better than any
console then or since. Yeah, it's it's a real fun game. So
I'm really looking forward to that. I'll be playing that on my trip to
packs. It'll be a good time. Yeah, the trailers out, they
did a good job on that, so what they care. That's nice.
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, trailers ten out of ten. I agree,
Jay Arthur, absolutely, Okay, Mike, Opening Night Live happened, so
did the Future Games Fest. We talked to you and I talk show Future
Game Show. Thank you you and I talked in depth about opening that live
on Game This Mornings when you were on with me earlier this week. So
we're not going to go over that. I was just going to point out
three games that I like, and then Mike, if you have anyone once
you want to highlight feel free for me. Obviously, It's Expeditions, a
mud runner game. I think that looks fantastic. It's a really cool sort
of follow up to that mud Runner Spin Tighter's legacy, much more about expiration,
all kinds of weird gizmos and gadgets you can attached to your trucks,
like metal detectors. It's like, man, what is that for? I
have no idea, but I can imagine either way. I think it's going
to be fun. Then Dome King Cabbage is one that was at the Future
Game Show and I'm super into this. This is it looks like a drug
trip FMV game, And I would really recommend watching the trailer if anyone gets
a chance, because it's if you're wondering what I mean by that, because
you kind of have to see it. And even then when you see it,
you're like, what's the gameplay here? I kind of don't care.
I just want to be looking at my switch, which is the game I
guess is exclusive for for now, and see all these crazy things happening on
the screen. That's that's fine enough with me. And then thank goodness you're
here. Which is that cartoon network Big Time Greens what's the one you said?
It looks like Adventrier Times one. It looks the most like to me
Adventure Time regular shows and one it looks regular show. Thank you. Regular
Show is definitely what it looks like. Yes, and that looks it kind
of looks like that mixed with like Warrior Wear micro games sort of bouncing around
the world and suddenly you're in a new mini game kind of gameplay, and
I'm very excited about that. Other than that, well, you know,
there was a few more in the Future Games show that I was I was
kind of into, but you know, other nextpeditions not much for me.
At Opening Night Live, Yeah, Opening Night Live not too much shit for
me there. It wasn't a bad show or anything like that. I think
Allen Wait two is continuing to look very good. I am excited for that,
But I don't know. Maybe my favorite game from like the day was
that Symphonia, that two D platforming game with a big music sort of aesthetic
or focus to it. Even tho it's not it's the Hollow Night like it
looks kind of like holl And I don't I'm not sure exactly how much Red
Vania it is, although I assume it is. One. Yes, but
that actually looks really good to me. That that one would say for and
Persona, the persona three remake looks very good. I'm very excited for that.
That actually did look really excellent. It looks like they put a lot
of work into that. Slick, Yes, super slick. If you do
want to see us react to that, we did that on Giant Bond today.
We watched all the trailers from both shows. Well, we watched up
until the point where where three of us got board and then clicked a buzzer
and then we skipped it. It's actually a lot of fun, so check
it out. That's actually a very good idea. Yeah, thanks, I
was I had a lot of fun with that. Well, might do that
again in the future, we'll see. It's a good thing to do when
you can't watch it live. That's a fun way of approaching exactly. Yes,
And you know when we're at stuff like Summer Games Fest and it's like,
well we were there, so like, you know, we were sure.
We watched a couple of the shows, but there's like six other shows
we didn't watch. We're gonna do a roundup. I think that would be
a good way to watch all of the trailers in one form the other.
All right, Balder's Gate three is actually coming to Xbox this year. Now
why because Phil Spencer went to Europe and had a meeting with Larry and Studios
during Games Com, and then like the next day, Larry and Studios like,
hey, after talking to Phil Spencer, we are we have permission to
put this thing out on Xbox Series X and Xbox SERIESES. The only difference
will be that Xbox Series S Wille will not have the local co op mode.
We got approval for Microsoft to do that. Phil Spencer talked around this
topic a little bit in several conversations he had with outlets like Eurogamer and IGN,
where he's just like, I don't see a world where games don't come
out, or where games are exclusive Xbox Series X and don't come to Xbox
Series S. But we're also not like enforcing this parody to like a super
strict degree. And I'm like, well, it sounds like you are with
Balder's Gate three. And then of course the next day, here we are
you broke in the other thing game US Mornings this morning right to confirm this.
Yeah, and it's oh, okay, I think this is a completely
acceptable solution. What do you think? Yeah, I think it's definitely loosening.
Perhaps the original vision of what the parody would be. But it makes
some sense. I think it's a shame that they kind of didn't come to
this sooner. It had to take boters Gate three being this big hit and
realizing it was a big hit that they're going to miss out on, and
then working hard to kind of catch up. You know, you kind of
wish maybe there's some more force right there, But I get it. I
wasn't expecting boters Gate three to be such a big deal, but man,
this is the crack has kind of now opened up a bit here. I
wonder what this means for the future of the series as I think going forward,
there's going to be a lot of your game has to come out on
Series S. Yeah, but you can make compromises, and we might be
get more and more compromises, I wonder, right, I mean, this
is a feature, right, but the feature the issue on the Xbox Series
S is still a horsepower one. Right. It's still like this thing requires
more graphics processing because you're rendering two instances of the world at the same time.
And to me, that's still kind of within the spirit of what,
oh, you're you paid less money for this console that's less powerful so you
can't do this thing that requires more power. If that is sort of what's
happening here, I'm okay, but I mean you're not wrong. There still
is going to be a slippery slope. There is going to be like,
well, the people are like, well, this guy, you know,
this kind of is harder because the Xbox Series S, and I think Xbox
would prefer it be like, well, if it's impossible, maybe we'll listen
to you. If it's harder, we'll try to help you, but you
need to there needs to be parodies. So at the same time, I
don't know what other recourse Xbox really has here because they're not going to get
rid of the Xbox Series S. They're not going to put out more powerful
or an Xbox SERIESES with more ram, which is what it needs. So
if they're not going to do these things, and even if they were to
go help, it would still be very difficult and they're probably not going to
be able to pull it off to a satisfactory degree themselves to get this feature
working. Then I think this is where they have to let up on the
valve. This is the pressure that they have to release, and so yeah,
I don't know what else they could have done other than just keep saying
no to Boulder's Gate three, which seems in saying and not really an option.
No. I mean, look, it sucks a little bit to not
have you know, co op on series s, but that's you know,
way better than just not having this game on your platform. And you know,
like at a certain point, yeah, the series it is, it
is the budget version of the machine. It's going to be compromises there.
So, yeah, it's gonna be interesting. Man, I don't know.
I don't know if you're going to go to this so quote right away too,
but I know. He was also talking about how he doesn't see a
need for a midgen refresh, and that's going to get interesting if Sony does.
Yeah, it's just weird. Yeah. So there was a lot of
conversations again with Phil Spencer. He mentioned that I don't know of those headlines,
uh you know which again, I went over a game this morning this
morning, but that one stuck out to me a little bit where he's like,
yeah, like that we think that would muddy the waters with developers and
with gamers and stuff. And he seems pretty dead set on not doing a
midgen refresh. Sony seems like they're working the way up to doing exactly that,
it is going to be weird. I think if if Sony does it
and an Xbox doesn't try to keep up up, But I don't know.
At the same time, I don't know what the appetite is for a PS
five Pro, but I guess once it's here that could change in an instance,
So so who knows, But I don't know. Do you think they
change their tune? Do you think Xbox isn't working on an Xbox Pro or
Xbox Series x pro of some sort right now? I mean, they have
a hardware team, right Like, why wouldn't they at least be experimenting with
that or even thinking about the next console already. I mean, that's the
thing, especially with the way these things work now, and if we if
it is this whole Xbox Series Blink thing, it almost makes you think that
the whole point of it is that they're supposed to even more. They're supposed
to be more consoles than ever, right yeah, right right where Series X
x X or xx or something and then yeah, that's more powerful and they
just replace everything every couple of years. That's what I thought they were gonna
do maybe maybe what he means that, no, we're not going to do
a mid gen refreshed next year or in two years, because in three years
we're just gonna have our next console already. I don't know. It could
be, it could mean anything. That's a good point, that's a really
good point. Yeah, Like he's like, we're just thinking about it in
an entirely different way either way. I think, I mean it just it
does still sound like he's kind of wanting to stick with these consoles for a
little bit longer than than than Sony's gonna stick with the PS five as their
top options. So right, well, I guess there's it's gonna get rough
if they if Sony does have the more powerful thing out there and performance on
Xbox Game whenever, Like it's it's rough, people are gonna have very It's
already to lead console for a lot of developers, so it's already running better
in a lot of cases. Yep, I'm trying to see. I had
a whole bunch of headlines this morning. He said the console prices won't go
down, something that we've not shot. Yeah, right, we know this.
I think everyone kind of gets at this point even if they haven't explicitly
realized it. No one's sitting around waiting for price traps on these consoles.
They know they just need to buy them at the price thing. I mean,
honestly, if you did wait and you were in Europe and actually in
a couple of places here in the United States, it's it's gone down in
price occasionally. I think some people mentioned in the last couple of weeks they
got it for four hundred and fifty dollars here, So yeah, you got
you got it on sale. But in terms of permanent price drops, these
consoles are almost certainly not going to get that. And if they do for
some reason like oh, people aren't buying it at this price, they'll introduce
that's when they will introduce a model with more storage or whatever, or some
other refresh and sell it for the higher price. Again. Yeah, Call
of Duty games who want appear in game Pass immediately, Mike, that's not
too surprising either, but he pointed to Bethesda Games as an example. But
test the game started to come to game Pass three days after that deal closed.
Yeah, you would imagine there's certain games that we're going to see on
there pretty quickly that they're probably already even thinking about, Like how long do
you really get the way for a deal before on game pass? I'd be
shocked if it was that long. Yeah, And he said they're looking for
solutions to get those two hundred and twenty Xbox Live Arcade games that might get
lost forever, to keep them around. But he didn't not make any promises,
but he did talk and say he would. They're looking into some solution
there, but no solution is forthcoming. I believe him, but I also
can't imagine it's a super high priority. Agreed. Okay, let's see here.
Todd Howard wants Elder Scroll six to be the ultimate Fantasy World simulator.
Todd Howard provided an update on the Elder Scroll six announced that e three twenty
eighteen, the game is still in early planning stages and we'll follow the release
of Starfield. Obviously, the Creation Engine two you used for planning stag stages
could be Creation Engine two would actually really like it's got at least be a
pre like I don't it shouldn't at least be in production now, not necessarily
like we're still drawing pictures. What do you mean planning stage? Like six
years ago. I never believe developers when they when they use stuff like that
kind of terminology, when they use like alpha or pre alpha or planning stages,
I think they are we're going to go talk to the audience. And
then the vernacular we use with them and the vernacular we use internally is probably
very different. So when they're like and then they say stuff like planning stages,
I think I agree that it's it's like you're probably in production of some
sort or some some people on the team are in production. But yeah,
I mean if they if they are still in the planning stages, Mike,
I agree, it's weird. I think Todd Howard might agree. He went
on to say that he thinks it might have been a mistake to announce the
game so early. Again announced in twenty eighteen, it's twenty twenty three now
case people didn't know, that's five years ago and the game is still almost
certainly a very long way away. And as I was gonna say, they're
gonna use the same engine that they were using a Starfield, and they've been
using the same engine, just updated over and over. They said they will
make more enhancements to it, which of course they always do as well before
each game. Uh. Yeah, when do you think we get this game,
Mike, what's Uh, Man, it's definitely twenty twenty five at the
earliest, and that seems too early. Probably twenty twenty six. Yeah,
I mean I could see it easily getting in the twenty twenty seven too,
So yeah, uh, it's a it's a while away. H Yeah.
You know, gosh, it is weird. If I turn this game comes
out, it'll be probably like fifteen years since Elder since Skyrim came out,
and it's just weird because things changed so fast from Oblivion and Skyrim coming out
in the same console generation two that like you know, weight three console generations
for the next one, and of course they threw a Starfield in there and
then they try to fall out seventy six and and things like that. That's
fine, but man, yeah, it's a it's a different world. Yeah,
And he mentions like it's not ideal that there's such a big weight between
a Skyrim and Elder Scroll six, but he did mention that Starfield is one
of the reasons why why it makes sense that it's taking so long. And
then of course the enduring popularity of Skyrim, which they've released many times and
continues to sell, so they've kind of gotten away with it, and so
they're like, yeah, we it worked, so when we get around to
it, it'll probably makes it'll probably be fine. But still, uh,
it's it's very strange how long it's taken, I guess, or just feel
strange. Honestly when you start looking at it's, oh, it makes perfect
sense, right, you understand why it happens. Yeah, but it is
just interesting that. Yeah. Again, it used to be every few years
you would get a new Outer Scrolls and now it's like, oh, the
next one comes out before I die, Yeah, exactly, And that's like
that's where it's. It's gaming like this, Our games like this sustainable long
term and you know, if you've got Microsoft your back, maybe, but
it's like other studios trying to do what Bethesda does now it doesn't seem sustainable.
So right, I mean that's where it's. It's gonna be interesting when
we can see a vow right, which is like we're going to try to
make our own sky room with you know, with with Moxie and Exelbo reason
you know, yeah, it goes Yeah, I mean I definitely got the
sense from that last trailer. They're like, well, we still got the
Moxie, but maybe we don't quite got the sky room anymore. We'll see,
I've got a little bit. We'll see. Yeah, well maybe we'll
be happy with that. Me too. I know what you will be happy
with. Mike Danuba is coming to switch Dnuvo. For people who don't know,
I bet most of you do. It is that anti piracy, anti
uh you know, emulation, anti hacking tool that shows up, but a
lot of games that tries to that tries to keep us so you can't get
a cracked copy on the internet for free. It is now going to be
available in the Nintendo Development Portal for developers to use, and it's it's coming
explicitly with anti emulation guard. So it's going to try to make it more
difficult for games that run on switch to run on switch emulators on the PC.
Dnuvo, the company that runs du Nuvo, said, oh ya hey,
a lot of games are very easy to run on a switch emulator,
So even if you have a protection and other versions of the game, people
will just go to the Switch version because that's been very easy to emulate.
It's like, well, this will put a stop to that, and of
course it might for a little bit. All these games usually get cracked eventually
a third number of weeks, although there was a period there in the last
couple of years where it was like months would go by and no one had
cracked a couple of Denuvo and Protected games, so like they're always getting better,
but then the scene always catches up. Still, Denuvo has some pretty
bad reputation for causing performance issues in games. There's always a debate about whether
or not that's actually true. I lean to the side of it almost certainly
is true, and Switch doesn't have any performance to spare right, No,
it certainly does not. Certainly does not. It's a weird thing. I
think, like a lot of people work. Maybe I think this is more
of a preparing for Switch too thing. I guess I would make some sense,
and hopefully there's enough power and a Switch too to make up for that.
But it doesn't sound ideal. It's hard to be happy about this.
Yep, yep, it's it's just kind of frustrating and annoying. And then
Dark Forces Interroc three remasters are coming from Nightdive Studios. Both look really good.
I'm very happy about this. I'm gonna play both. Mike. Yeah,
well, yeah, I actually played Dark Forces not too long ago.
Because of the Force Engine, which is a fan tool on PC that makes
these games runs on modern PCs with a lot of cool enhancements. I think
the Fource engine guy, it's not using the Force Engine on this, this
is Nikedives engine, but he helped with some stuff. And you know,
there's there's other things, like they redid the cut scenes. I'm sure I
feel about the Redone cut scenes, but it doesn't It's like I don't hate
it, but I know I'm yeah. I hope that we have the option
to switch between the new and old cut scenes, or the and or the
new and old game with a click of a button. I hope that's how
it works. But this is great. Dark Forces is fantastic. Turk Three's
interesting because it was it was really taxing in TIL sixty four. It was
made as kind of like, oh, we're influenced by Half Life, now
we have to make a more story driven shooter. Good luck with that on
TIL sixty four. So, and it's only everybody in Tail sixty four never
has been ported anywhere else. So having that on more platforms and having Dark
Forces on every platform. That's great. Nice. Ive has done really good
work with all the retro shooters. I'm you know, at this point,
they've been getting to a lot of the big ones. I hope that it
continues to hope we get Jedi Night, maybe gets some of the other weird
ones they haven't done. Hex and her hair Tic get happy. That's that's
what I was thinking. I'm like, and Microsoft, you know, was
it the hex and shirt or a Hairtic shirt that Phil Spencer was wearing.
I believe so, you know, and he's talked about Hexit a bunch of
times, so maybe he could snacked that to work on that. Maybe not,
but it would be very cool if he did. I forgot what I
was going to say about these oh Dark Forces. It's come a long way,
because I remember when I first got the steam Deck, I was like,
I'm gonna plack Dark Forces on there, and it's like, oh,
didn't It's not working. Well whatever, it's the steam Deck. So I
tried to get at working on the PC and it's like, oh, this
is actually kind of a headache. And then since then the Force engine is
that what it is? Force Engine? Since then that has come out and
made it easier. But it's like, now it's gonna have an official port
everywhere, and it's just gonna work on your switch or your Xbox or your
PlayStation. And that's what's really good. At these games. You usually have
gyro controls, like so you can do that for adjusting aiming. That's how
I played Quick one and Truck one was on and Powersley was on switch and
it works really well that way actually, So yeah, this is great.
It's good stuff. And then Activision Blitzter games are going to Ubisoft Plus.
Microsoft in an effort to win over win approval from the CMA and the UK
for its deal to acquire Activision, has made a deal with Ubisoft to give
them the worldwide cloud gaming rights for all Activision Blizzard games for fifteen years,
which means if you want to stream Call of Duty after this deal closes,
you'll do it through Ubisoft Plus. This is weird, but also it does
feel like it would solve their problems. So I don't know, what do
you think, Mike, Yeah, I mean it doesn't really impact us,
right, so whatever if this uh you know it, this really affects anyone,
right because these games will be available if you wanted to stream them from
the cloud, Like, it'll just work. Yeah, do you think regulators
are gonna buy it? I mean, I can't see how they. I
mean, I guess they'll. They could still say, well, fifteen years,
Well what happens after that? But it's like fifteen years is more than
enough time for this market to get settled out and for new players to come
in and yeah, and for Ubisoft to make deals with other companies using the
active ship buzzer games that Microsoft would own. So it would be very weird
if they would say no to it at this point, but they've been very
weird up to this point. So we'll see. No idea, no idea
what they're gonna do, but hey, well we will probably find out soon.
They did have to start a new investigation. The CMA said we got
a new phase one investigation happening. Phase one. Everybody here that we're on
phase one. Now, that's so depressing, But I hope that they're kind
of just saying that, like because they're we got to do our due diligence.
But it's like, come on, motherfucking this is not that difficult.
You're gonna do some math sure, go do your math and then come back
and tell us what you think. I bet your decision and won't won't be
based on math. Actually probably not. All right, that doesn't for the
news I have here. But Mike, we have some super chats which we'll
get to. Do you have something to say? Sorry? I was gonna
say what you take a break, and it seems like that's what you're doing.
So hey, look at some super chats with a bunch of other stuff.
We'll get to it right after this. Thanks everybody. All right,
Mike, super chats have been coming in and I want to I want to
hear him, so read them to me. Yes, Baba is b says.
It seems messed up that the Sony Pulse three D headphones Sony pause that
sounds like a strip club to me won't connect to the new poor device.
I wonder what Jimbo Ryan has to say about this. Uh? Okay,
so I is that true? I thought the Pulse three D headphones should because
they're worth through PlayStation connect now or the PlayStation Okay, wait, is the
Pulse three D the old headphones? Oh that's what they mean then? Yeah?
Yeah, so the new ones the Pulse explore. Yeah. Yeah,
but I mean those will work too because those are yeah yeah, yeah,
that's what I'm saying. Those will work. The new ones will work because
they use the proprietary tech, right, yeah, it makes sense that the
old ones don't work because they use a USB dongle. So you know those
don't use Bluetooth. Well no, all jeff all wireless heads as usually you
USB dongle because low lancy. Yeah, there's there's low latency versions of Bluetooth,
not not at that level. Okay, well, I mean this conversation
is boring. There are someone paying money to talk about this. Yes,
there are low enough latency Bluetooth things, but yes that was are faster.
The dedicated ones are definitely faster. I think it's it's fine, like half
the time, it's no trying because I use a wireless hats ideal. A
lot of research on this, I know. Yeah yeah, with the fastest
like one is like lt no, that's like low power. The low power
one is like yeah, it is faster, but either way haptex ll no
one used it anymoren't even that's one hundred mill seconds like wireless headsets are like
fifty. Yeah, so it's this is the kind of thing where it's weird,
but if if you are in the Sony ecosystem, this does do some
pretty cool stuff where it does. The head sets themselves also have Bluetooth,
so you can connect to like a Bluetooth your phone or whatever and the gaming
device at the same time, and they're coming through it simultaneously, so you
can get the discord on that, I guess. And then the earbuds are
actually pretty cool because it's so hard to find low lancy earbuds right now,
so if that works as advertised, those will actually be like really neat.
Yes, it's uh, it's frustrating because that the delay on this standard Bluetooth
protocol is fucking ad ADP or a a TP whatever the fuck, it's really
bad. Okay, what else? Mike uh Diegar pieces as a wrestling friendly
podcast in honor of bray Watt's passing. Any favorite matches. Uh yeah,
I definitely though Why Family versus The Shield was very, very very good stuff.
I love the Why Family especially was really fun time, a really good
time. Jeff, how about you? Yeah, like some of his matches
against Daniel Bryant at the time, and and I really you know, it's
been a joke, but I really like them. Out and two pitched up
Pitch black Match. Uh it's uh yeah, you're right, it was.
It was good, silly fun. It knew what it was and he I
think he can make anything kind of work. He was. It was a
worker and I don't know. I really like Bray Wyatt. I really did.
This is a yeah, rest in peace. That's kind of devastating news.
It really is. It's shocking. Connal Wood says it. It'd be
a new portable sunny device if it wasn't tied to at least one proprietary stand
former m D, Vita memory cards and now PlayStation link. Ah. The
um d's yep, um d's are so. I'm glad it's not the sony
hardware like like software format anymore, where it's like, okay, we're gonna
put our games on weird stuff, you know, I guess the Vita cards
or whatever. But the wireless protocol, there's reasons. So that's fine.
Ezekiel Bouchette, Who should I say this? You think so cheap? Okay?
Game dev? Game dev's on all these now. Oh, I'm sorry,
you're right, my bad. I don't know I just got confused for
a second bike. It's one of those days. It's okay an old man.
Do you want to read this one? It is directed at you can.
The next one on all sides is rough. My back end team got
shifted recently, high level. We're all still employed, which is great.
Shout out to Colin, Genie, Jen Jenny, excuse me, Nina,
John Thomas, Ray, passionate people. Yeah, shout out to you,
Ezekiel and your team. Sorry budd yea yeah, sorry sorry. Big Afroman
says Jeff, what's up with Jazz saying on Xbox two that you have his
nude picks and are blackmailing him so he doesn't leak certain things? Care to
explain? I don't know. Can you trust anything like that? No?
I don't think you can get with his beans. No. Yeah, especially
someone someone who has nudes out there flowing around. I don't have them,
but I wouldn't trust anything like that. Doctor butt Hugger says, buyowere magic
is still there? You know, Jeff, I see a lot of people
kind of say this. People used to say it about was it all time?
And I get what they mean, and I get that they don't really
mean magic. But you know, magic is not real. There's only hard
work, good management and in other factors like that, in good people.
But it's also there's a part he getst Tyron, like, oh, those
people aren't there anymore. Well, you had a company like BioWare, who's
like first prime was in like nineteen ninety seven, of course, right,
but you know, people, a lot of people making Zota today are the
people who are making links of the past, and that series is still able
to manage. Well, So it's not necessarily about magic. I know.
I don't mean, like, you know, woo magic, I know what
you mean by magic. I don't really think it's about that. I think
it's just about management and a lot of these other factors. Culture. Culture
is the important thing, right You kind of have to keep a culture consistent
throughout all time. You can't be swayed by trends like let's make everything online
multiplayer and let's you know, have fifteen zillion micro transactions, and we think
RPGs aren't cool anymore. It's just a shooter now. That's that's the kinds
of you get to work against. It's yeah, I mean, Walt Disney
has been dead for a long time and Disney still has some appeal and it's
like, well, how does that work? Well, I mean it works
in that the people that get good into certain discipline want to go work at
these studios, and so it's up to the people that running those studios to
make sure that they're attracting that kind of people. You're a lot of people
working at Byware who came there because they deeply care about Byware and their games
and the and their fans. Uh And I think a lot of those people
were previously working on Star Wars the Old Republic and kind of getting that game
back in the shape, and a lot of those people are in charge of
Byeware, and I think that's mostly a good thing. I would still expect
good things from Buy Aware. Great things might be difficult, but I think
I think the studio has the possibility still have games that really please fans.
So I think the mass effect of Legendary Edition that that sort of love letter.
I've kind of kind of proved that to a certain extent. Now let's
just see if they can do that with a new game. Uh Aramis Barmis
says, just wanted to say thanks for reporting on the Buyoor stuff. I
think it's an important topic and some kind of ignored it. I don't know,
you think many people ignored it. I mean I wasn't like taking the
tones of anything. That's I'd be surprised that because I haven't been picked too
much to be also stuff. A lot of people also do have a lot
of their staff at games Colm right now too, So maybe that's true.
That could be part of it. That's definitely true. Yes, The Seen
says you played a trailer for the Last Faith earlier. I just finished the
beta and it's basically blood Borne meets Sympathy of the Night and lay a lot.
Yeah, this was another cool looking one, Jeff. I think you
remember, yes, seeing this one too? Look I do. Yeah,
that's is that the one that we watched twice because we watched the summer game
Fast one? Okay, yeah, I thought that ended up looking pretty good.
So yeah, I'll try the beta. Hitch says, why don't they
remaster Dragon Age one? Excuse me, what's the next PlayStation PC game?
Okay, two questions there. First, off, Dragon Age one, I've
asked you this before, Jeff, I think I understand why they don't necessarily
want to do a trilogy. Remaster like they did with Mass Effect, But
why not just do one? At least are they worried that people will bristle
because expectations are for a whole trilogy? Now? Yeah, well, I
think the sort of it makes more sense as a trilogy, and if they
they could do it as trilogy, because then you can put it out as
this big sixty seventy dollars thing. Right, if you're just from remastering Dragon
Age one, you got to do it a lot of extra work. You
basically have to do a remake to get to a sixty dollars seventy dollars thing.
And then then at the expectation is, well, then they'll do two
and three, and it's like, well they're not. They're not going to
do that. I don't can't remember. This is a crept but I know
at least looked uglier than Mass Effect. But I remember despite coming out after
Mass Effect one, dragon Age one may have been older tech or at least
it was like definitely a noticeably ugly It wasn't unreal engine, right, it
was not an unreal engine. It was in development longer even than Mass Effects,
So yeah, it would be harder to probably Mass remaster than any of
those Mass Effect games, where even the first one right right, and the
Mass Effect games were one continuous story with with with like the same character and
it was all in the Unreal engine, so like it was just all kind
of lined up easy to do a remaster trilogy of that. Dragon Age doesn't
really have that going for it. Obviously, a lot of crossover characters and
a lot of characters from from one game the other, but not in the
same way as Massive right, and definitely not. It's a different main character
in each of those games. It's not like you have your shepherd that you're
shepherding between each game. Heaven says no. Kevin says, this wasn't devote
in a long time. Somebody said, chat now men missing it. It
might have been the freaking never Winter Night's engine. Which is that? Man,
that's true, that's incredible, But I might I might believe that to
be honest. Seriously, Uh okay, uh it was the next It was
the next PlayStation game for PC. You think, uh, we've had which
which gets for one? Have we not had yet? And everyone dont Shushima
yet? No, it's probably goes to Sushi probably shoo. Yeah, it'd
probably goes to Shushima. Al Right, Simon says odds of a second PlayStation
showcase Slash first Party Focus stayed to play before the end of the year.
They were completely absent from Games Con. Uh, like ninety percent first stay
to play in September. Okay, Achievement says, did you see that Arby's
parent companies buying Subway for nine billion? For that money, would you rather
have subway or I mean, I mean, do you think I talk about
this? It's all me and Mike talk about. Yeah, I would.
If I was a business person, I would much they have subway than that
done. Subways are everywhere, but it's also I don't know. I think
subways best states are behind it, but maybe not. This is our two
Uh. I'll tell you what. I'm surprised. I always would have assumed
that it would be the other way around, that Subway would be buying Arby's.
But maybe Arby's parent company has like a lot of other buckets going they
were partly they probably like make munitions for the military. Yeah, you're probably
right. It's like the leftover aluminum gets used for the sandwiches. Then a
charter Wolf says for armored course, six Metacritic, Mike said ninety one and
Jeff said eighty seven. Metacritics score is at eighty seven for both PC and
places you five, so I can't even like complain about the platform like x
Flox has way fewer reviews. So whatever, you get two points? Oh
my god, hope fun you got me missed by one? Good come on,
maybe that will change. Damn it and nailed it. Dang, we're
good at this. Uh. By the way, I'll talk about some Armored
Core six when we do our talking about games we've been playing because I didn't
publish my review. Fantastic, looking forward to it. But that's it for
Superchest for now. Guys. If you want to send anymore, we will
read them before the end of the show. Thank you all so much for
setting in the Superchest. Thank you for watching and having that like button.
We appreciate it. All right, we're gonna take another quick break as we
get set up for a quick game that we're gonna play. We'll be back
after this. All right, let's get going. We have a closest to
the messy pin. That means I stopped talking and Sean starts. Now that's
right, it's time for Everyone's Favorite Game Show with Them podcast, Yeah Again.
We're at volume fourteen and Closest to the Messy Pin presented by Me Turboshaun
Power by Metacritic, executively produced as always by Benji Bop. Now reminder for
everyone if you don't know the rules. Every round, the boys will be
given a certified retro game that means a game older than ten years as of
this recording. The goal is to predict the game score. As a stance
on metacritic dot com. We use a Closest to the Pin scoring system,
meaning every point deviate you are from the actual score, you'll be given one
point. They go at the end of the game is have the low score
golf rules. If you guess the exact number and step of zero, you
deduct five points from your total score. I should really check this before we
start these games. Who won last I won last time? Well, yeah,
I feel like Mike would know if you wont last time, so I'm
gonna trust him on that, which means that Chef gets to pick first.
I need you to tell me, what do you think? Mech Assault for
the original Xbox has November eleven, two thousand and two of this game came
out. This is based on thirty two critic reviews. I'm okay, Mecassault
for the Xbox from two thousand and two. I am going to say,
let's see if Armored Core six gets an eighty seven, I'm gonna say this
one got an eighty five. Oh wait, can I'm gonna say eighty three?
Please eighty three final answers, Yeah, that's my final answer. Yeah,
Mike, I remember this game being one of the better liked Xbox exclusives.
I'm gonna a in eighty five. Shit, please don't pick any I
hope it's in eighty five. Gott I hope it's in eighty five. Well,
Mecca Sol currently has and probably for whoever we'll have a eighty seven.
If I wanted to say eighty seven, because that's any game that I had
to go for eighty five that I had to go for eighty five, I
wanted to say eighty seven. Then I talked myself out of it because of
Armored Course six. Al right, game number two Front Mission four. I
knew this was gonna be the theme even who would have done June fifteen,
two thousand and four, thirty nine Craig for reviews Mikey's turn to go first.
Yeah, that's this is rough because we didn start gained these games.
Still three here, I think kind of niche. Uh, I want to
say like a I'm gonna say like a seventy eight. I don't really know,
but I don't think it could have done too well. Okay, well
enough are you typing out over there? I'm pretty sure I won last time,
and I'm not really complaining. It doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure I
won last I just didn't really close. Maybe yeah, it was we were
tied in the last round and then I think I went low and you went
high, and it was like and I think, yeah, okay, well
look I can't help, but that by break protects me. But it'll be
false memory. Somebody could have said something earlier. I was just like,
you were so confident, but it was I was pretty sure, yeah,
won before none of us, none of us said. I thinks, so
hey, we're all didn't really matter. It's like, all right, Jeff,
how are you feeling? Uh? I think seventy it's a really good
answer. That's how I'm feeling. Front Mission four for PlayStation two two thousand
and four. I'll go with a set, I'll go with it. I'll
go with the seventy nine. Well nine, all right, going a little
higher than all right? From Mission four has a seventy five. It was
a little bit lower, right, all right, I don't know. Okay,
Mike's in the lead five points to Jeff's a. Game Number three is
Steel Battalion Heavy Armor for the Xbox three sixty June nineteen, twenty twelve,
fifty eight Crick reviews, Jeff, Uh, I'm gonna go with a seventy
seven. Okay, this is the connect one this game. I'd do way
worse than that. Oh, it's just the connect. Oh it's the count.
Oh yeah, my shit, it's the connected when he did it.
No, this is my chance. Yeah, never mind, this sucks.
Oh, you stupid son of a bitch. You're going to be closer.
Oh yeah, it's I think it's real low. I can play it a
little safer and still get like seventeen points. I'll say, uh, let's
say it is sixty. I don't want to say anything because that really answer.
If I could change it would be like a thirty five. Well,
Steel Battalion Heavy Armor has a thirty eight metac lower on even lower, but
I was like, get it up. Points the wits. Bengie likes us
away. He makes me press these buns along. Okay, let on two,
three, four, Okay, yay. Update for the audio listeners.
That means Mike is in the league twenty seven to Jeff's forties. Yeah,
if you only look, I see. Yeah, it sucks because it's like
we there's never been one. I'm so sure it was in the thirties,
Like we had a couple and those were always like, oh no, we
have like ad like forty points store scores. I'm like, no, this
one I know was in the thirties. I just know it, all right.
Game number four Zeno Gears released on the PS one October twentieth, nineteen
ninety eight. Fifteen. Craig reviews Mike's pick. Yeah, people like Zeno
Gears. Uh, I'm gonna say in eighty eighty people really like Zeno Gears.
But did they like it that much at the time? Uh, eighty
eight? All right, I'm gonna go with an eighty two. Yeah it's
eighty two. Yeah, there we go. Not a ton of thinking they
are explaining on this one. Just I mean, part of it's like I
gotta do math right because I need it. I need to be so far
away from Mike, and I got to get it exactly right to like get
started, like to close the gap. Yeah, yeah, I know,
I know people liked it, but I also know that people did not like
it nearly as much as like some of the other RPGs at the time.
All right, well, Zeno Gears has a eighty four. You're close,
still two points off. Mike was four points off. Yeah, that makes
some sense because you know it does have that unfinished third disc, which I
think probably bristled a lot of reviewers split the quality elsewhere. Yeah, still
a very strong score though, Speaking of scores going into the final game,
my guess thirty one jeffs forty nine. You have to take an interesting turn
here if you want to turn things around me. I'm just hoping it's a
really bad game. So it's Dynasty Warriors Gundam three, at least for the
Xbox three. Sixty June twenty eight, twenty eleven, twenty seven creat Reviews
Only. Jeff, Hey, Mike, can we just to make it interesting?
Would you mind letting me go second? So I have a chance.
Look at this, Look at this you know what, I'll do it because
I did accidentally take going first. Okay, it seems completely fair, thank
you, Okay, thanks fair, right, thank you. I am going
to give it. I'm gonna say it got a sixty three, all right,
say thy middling middling reviews for this third Dynasty Warriors Gundam game. I
pinned you down a bit there. Yeah, it's tough. Okay, I'm
going to go with a I let mean, we just do the math again
real quick. I'm gonna go with a forty four. Yay, wowing really
low. I mean, but what choice do I have. I should have
gone so much lower, even on the connect Still Battalion games. We'll see,
alright, zillion points there, well, the beloved classic Dynasty Warriors Gunnedham
three sits at what's sixty fun? Alright, okay, let's go. Mike
was only two points off, Jeff was twenty one points off. It's fist,
which means final scores Mike thirty three, Jeff failing a bit, just
like the robot in the KIF Yeah, it's like that robot. Incredible,
very good, very fun game. That was fun, good game, Benji,
Thank you for that. Absolutely all right. We are you know what,
we'll do the next break before the game. So let's work. We're
gonna do a best Game of two thous We've been doing these lists, picking
the five best games of the year. We've done several so far. Now
we're going to do the best Game of two thousand. I am going to
get the things set up after I get my first option here. This was
the year that Tony ex pro Skater two came out, Mike, it sure
is. That's one of the best games of all time, So I am
for me, it's almost a certain lock, and I am you know that's
gonna be the first thing I put up there. It's just hey, Tony
Ox pro Skater made our list last year for nineteen ninety nine because it was
one of the better, and this is just better. And it really leaned
into a lot of times games will come out and studios will have a pretty
good idea what makes it good. They kept everything that made it good,
and then they knew where they could make it better, which was the combo
system. It was the Emmanuel and it was like, if we had a
way to connect some of these things so you can get even bigger combos,
it like just will push people's skill level higher and higher and higher. And
that's what it did. I remember, you know, playing Tony ex pro
Skater two on dream Cast on my friend's house, over and over and over
again every day after school, getting so good at it and having competitions going
back and forth. Remember when we first got the million point scores, and
you know, of course the soundtrack and the style and the skaters and the
attitude, all that stuff was tip top. It's just such a good game,
a game that I can literally go back and play any any moment of
any day and have a good time with. And of course the one and
two remix have been fantastic. No, yep, no arguments there. Love
Tony expos Kier two. The only reason I like, I'm like, I
don't bristle against it. But like my one thing is I like three even
more? Sure, that's one I always think about even more than two.
But you're right, yeah, but if we're looking at it, if we
look at two thousand in a vacuum a little bit, it's like, man,
the fact that that came along and was that much better, even the
first one, which was already so good, was super impressive. All right,
Let me get I'm gonna get this sheet going, so Mike, if
you have any usations let me Now. There's a there's a couple. There's
a few games I really really like that came out in this year. I
think maybe the biggest one for me is actually going to be diab Below two,
which God was a game I just loved playing then when I've gone back
to it throughout the years again another game and had a great remake by the
same deplover. Actually right there we go, Diabo two is sotill the pinnacle
of that series for me, as much as I did enjoy Diablo four Debo
two, It's just really nailed things in terms of tone, the kind of
the aesthetic, the feeling. You know, it has some of that old
RPG stuff that maybe feels outdated, but it just works really well here,
like things like having to use Mana potions and having to have arrows and stuff
like that. I don't know, I just couldn't get enough of this game
when it came out. I thought it was the most amazing thing, beautiful
CG cutsteins that managed to take themselves seriously, which was kind of harder to
do back then, and it did that very well. Yeah, nothing but
love for Diablow two. Yeah, it's kind of hard to imagine this list
without Diablow two on it. Uh yeah, let me see you see if
I get my list up that I was looking at earlier. Okay, some
people have mentioned the Sims came out in uh in two day yea. How
do you feel about the Sims. It's just sort of been like, really
my thing, Like I appreciate it. It's it's it's kind of fun.
I'm not like, you know, giant Sims guy or anything. I uh,
Majority's mask was this year in the United States, right it, Sure,
it was. Yeah, I really like Major's mask, and I'm gonna
put it on the shortlist. And that's just because I'm not I'm it's not
one that I'm like, oh I I Majorit's mask is one of my favorite
Zelda's so I usually don't think about it in these terms. But we'll see
what two thousand looks like, and I think I definitely want to consider it
at it's it's it's weird Zelda. I mean, I love when Zelda is
weird. It is It's got a lot of interesting ideas once you kind of
get once you start understanding how to work within the confines of the time limit.
It's actually super engaged in a lot of ways because it's it's at first
you start the game, you're like, I hate the idea of losing all
this progress I made, and that's like, that gives me a lot of
anxiety, and then you realize, actually it's a little bit freeing because it's
really fantastic to go into a world that has been reset and know exactly what
you need to do, and then you're just like clicking like one button after
another another to get the world back in the state where you were. It's
like, last time, this took me the whole three day period. Now
I'm doing it and a little bit of time, and I have all the
time left to keep exploring new avenues, and so it was really interesting in
that way. But at the same time, it's not one I've gone I've
had the need to really go back and play either. So, but George's
mask on the short list on a short list, I like it. Also,
I kind of didn't learn to appreciate until much later, really with the
three DS re release. At that time, I think I was intimidated by
it, but certainly I do like it a good bit now. Final Fantasy
nine Jeff is, Yeah, it's definitely my favorite of the single player foun
fantasies, which is a funny distinction to make these days, but I think
this is the kind of the epitome of that series as it was in the
ATB turn based era, just of gorgeous looking placesation one game still like that
style that they started with Found fifty seven, you know, free under backgrounds,
the model characters and just the really slick CG cut scenes, the incredible
music that's us all here, and a kind of setting in tone that's a
bit more of my jib that's kind of more fanciful fantasy setting with a lot
of fun characters like VV and Steiner. This is just a really really good
time, super easy, but still deep enough RPG. It's got a fun
system where you learn abilities based on the items you equip, so you're sometimes
encouraged to equip weaker weapons so that you can earn an ability. That's always
been really interesting. Love love, love, love love this game. I'm
a big found fantasy guy and this is uh, this one is always going
to be dear to me. Yeah, someone who's only played it a little
bit back in the day. I remember being very excited that Final Fantasy was
kind of going back to a more fun fantasy setting than what they had done
with seven and eight. So at the very least, it always had a
great appeal to me that I was a super into and it knows it's a
good time and I mean that, but it also is it surprisingly somber and
touching in a really really nice ways. Uh. Just a good game,
very memorable game. Two thousand, things were still happening with the Dreamcast.
I like this game again, I want to. I can't remember if it
came out of the United States. Skis of Arcadia when I played a lot
back then. I played a little bit more on the Gamecabe a few a
few years later. Which year did that come out? Thousand? I like
Scars of Arcadia a lot, But I'm you're the RPG guy. I'm kind
of wondering what you're feeling is on it. Yeah, I actually have my
Gamekeay version. I haven't really played too much of it yet. It's funny
because at the time my brother was playing Skis Arcadian, I was playing Ground
Dat too, so I just never really played that much. Guys, o
Kadia, But people do really love it. It's it's kind of hide it
on light to do list. I'm not gonna light now. I would be
shocked if it's better than from fifty nine. If it's a matter of like
picking a JRPG, I guess, but so sure worth the consideration here.
Uh is okay? We know we said counterstrike last time for the mud,
right, so we weren't going to count at this time. Yeah, yeah,
exactly, so probably not that. What about Uh, okay, this
is interesting. WWF No Mercy was that actually in two thousand I think I
think it was seventeen two thousand. Is No Mercy kind that's that's I think
most people agree that's the pinnacle these You were kind of more of a WCW
guy, right, I was more of a WCW guy, But they kept
making them after WCW collapsed and because what we're gonna go work WWF and so
they kept getting better. Uh. The WWF games were better than WCW games
because they were the WCW games with more and more well thought out and No
Mercy is the best of those for sure, at least the best of the
ones that came out of the United States. It is. It's that's a
very good game. I think it's almost almost good enough to go on this
list. I'm gonna put it on the short list for sure, Mike,
Okay, yeah, I like it. I like it. Uh ready for
another one? Yeah? Please? Pokemon Gold, Silver, I think even
Crystal are all kind of in that two thousand. This is the second gen
a lot pretty much better than the original gen in every way. Still really
similar, I guess, definitely not as impactful like our importantess first gen.
This is still Gen two. People still kind of talk about and hollowed hushed
tones, it seems like, right, Yes, definitely. I never really
played gold and Silver, and I was looking and playing heart gold or sold
Silver here in the last couple of years, but didn't get around to that.
Is this one I just want to go on the short list? Or
do you think it's gonna be good enough to Okay, I think it's short
list, but yeah, definitely worth putting in the short list. I have
another one, Yeah, go ahead, I have another one that I think
is kind of a certain one for me on the list, But I want
to hear yours first. I want to hear yours first. I want to
hear yours first. Okay, Vagrant Story, which a door, it's a
it's a later PlayStation one game. It takes I guess check and see that
was the United States in two thousand, two thousand. Yeah, yeah,
uh, that's that. That is the best looking PlayStation game probably right,
it is. It has and it's not just best in terms of like,
oh, graphical prowess, which it is, but also in terms of style
it is just astounding. It's got a really good combat system, really interesting
story, great music, just high production values across the board. Uh.
And it's one of those ones where, like I mean, I'm I'm playing
an RPG basically on and I'm really enjoying it. There's like sort of no
caveats to that statement. I love Vagrant Story. Yeah, despite the limitations
of the PlayStation freaking one still does a lot of things better than any other
game of its kind. Just kind of actually incredible what they were able to
achieve. A Vagrant Story absolutely definitely like worth consideration. Probably maybe even on
the list for sure. I have another one that's like I would like to
see you on the list probably a bit, but maybe it doesn't make it.
I don't know. Jeff, I want to take you for a ride
because it's Marvelsus Capcom too. Yeah, Barb's you know. I love my
Dreamcast. I think marvels Is Cacon two was by far my most played Dreamcast
game. This was the game that actually really got me to care more about
two D fighting games in a way that I thought I was kind of actually
done with that. Like I had not played I did not play Third Strike
back then, or the Alpha series or the other Versus games. I really
was this full on. I only care about stuff like Virtual Fighter and so
Caliber and the first Barbaras Capcom like got me in a bit. Then Mars's
Cacon two with just that giant roster, and it was just so much fun
unlocking characters and seeing who the heck was in there, just even just playing
that game in arcade mode and trying to go through the whole thing and fight
that what onslaught whoever it was at the end, and then use those points
to unlock more characters or colors or whatever. It was just so satisfying.
But then me and my brothers would play each other all the time or friends.
It was so much fun. I remember like we went to an Arcade
in Disney World once and they had an arcade cabinet and we were like actually
able to play it against people in do okay because we had the Dreamcast.
It was it was such a good Portlands Dreamcast. That game felt so amazing
on their h gosh, yeah, just character the best characters select screen by
the way, discourageous, so so much beautiful art, a lot of style
on that screen. Yeah, I like that a lot. And reverse capcom
two is when I have a lot of fun with my friends us. He
had the Dreamcast, so we'd spent a lot of time there and we played
that. Yeah, this one I could easily see making the list. I'm
gonna keep it at the top of the shortlist for now, Mike, but
sure, I'm also going to leave that five spot open. I think going
forward, I'm gonna float uh Fantasy Star Online. M I did like Fancy
Star Online a lot at the time. Uh, I enjoyed, would have
played a bit, and I didn't play a ton at the time, So
it's kind of throwing it out there, Okay, two thousand and one January
for al right, cool, all right, great to shock him to me,
man, Yes, yeah, God, that system burned bright and fast.
Yes it did, Yes, very fast. Shin move You're not a
shin move guy? Was that? Man, that's what we talked about last
year. I'll before mad at us. That's always so weird to me.
The people are still like, no, shen move is great. Like I'm
not even saying she moves bad. But I'm surprised people are still passionate about
Yeah, they are, though they definitely all right, and that's fine.
It's definitely not for me. Banjo Tooie just not as good as Banjo Kazooi.
It's two. They learned the wrong lessons from Banjo Kazooi. They went
huge levels that were not as fun. Here's a game that I haven't played.
I wish I did. It's like a talk of consider but people really
like No One Lists forever. I hope that game gets a remastered someday.
That would be one. I think that's when that might have had some like
rights issues, but I also think they I thought they got solved. So
man, it would be great if night Dot could do that one. That
would be fantastic. Oh this is okay, this is not going to make
it. This a personal favorite. Star Trek Voyager Elite Force, Like that's
that's my favorite, you know how Like Dark Force is the best of all
the Doom clones, Elite Force is the best of all of Like the Quake
three Engine game, I don't know even call it. I think it was
that might have been an unreal sort I don't know, but of that era
like that circa two thousand PC shooter. I love Star Trek Voyager Elite Force,
but AFFI fund game, I'll do mine. That is that same thing
Excite like sixty four let's close out the trilogy of the great and sixty four
extreme sports games. Uh, this is back when they were still figuring out
three D gaming. So it's impressive that they got it right right out of
the gate. That's been that was true for Wave Race, true for two
eighties. It's also been true for Excite Bike. And then it was also
there like we can let's we're working in three D. It could be realistic
and that means let's be like true to real life and really or exaggerate real
life physics. But that's what's fun is how the bike interacts with the with
the ground and stuff like that. And uh, they took that to an
extreme and that people are gonna play that game and be like this is there's
a lot going on here, because there is, and it's uh, it's
super impressive that again, this is the first three D system from Nintendo and
this is what they're making with their three D games, and it blew me
away at the time, and it still holds up to this day. It's
just yeah, it's it's it's it's Excite Bike sixty four. It's not going
to play, yeah, kind of like at a similar end of like,
I really like jet Set Radio back then, and you know, I know
you usually said how it like you didn't quite drive with it, which I
can understand because I have the same thing at first where I was like,
oh, this is gonna be like a Tony Hawk, and it's not.
It's definitely a game on its own terms, but so much style, very
early uh celciading at a time where like that was kind of like the whole
marketing bullet point for it was the cell shameing. And it still looks really
cool, really fun game. I might like Chet Set Radio Future even more,
which is on the Rizon. Oh shit, I Katana has two thousand.
What's fucking dao? Sex is two thousand. Oh man, that's that's
rough, because like I like Dato sex, but I came to it late
and I didn't love data sex. I have just never really quite made it
yet. I always keep planning to go play day sex. At the time,
it was beyond me as the problem. It was a bit much for
me. I just haven't really gone back. So I feel bad because I
think a lot of people would put Dax on their list. Do you know
why I played it? No? Because I was on an episode of The
Squadron of Shame nice and we were talking about that game incredible. I wonder
why I because I was pretty good keeping up with the Squadron Shame. I
think I did try start playing it for that and then just didn't quite make
it. That's why I played a Silent Hill two back in the day.
It was because of the Squadron of Shame. I remember. I remember playing
it at the time saying, it's like it felt very like Try Hard h
inspired by Matrix in a lot of ways in terms of style, and I
think that's still through but that's actually kind of charming these days. Yeah,
that would like that kind of stuff now, I really like that, so
yeah, exactly, whatever. But yeah, Davio sex is one that I
like, I don't love. Yeah, no, that's fair. There's some
yeah, there's there's some other weird, interesting games on here. But maybe
it's time we see what our community has to say. They'll pick up on
some of the ones we haven't talked about yet, like you're like see two
and Riley and three. Who knows? Yes, give me a second,
Veronica going crazy, I Swindo. I tried playing uswen Dale two once and
I was very confused. Today, maybe I can manage it all right,
let me see, I got the podcast stuff here. There we go.
Okay, let's see from our community. The Bop Rush Cyberfunk says, the
Pokey Bros Are back to bully you into picking gold and silver. It's on
the shortlist. We can't promise anything else. Cranch Basketball says Marvel versus Capcom
two on Dreamcasts, and he says Majori's Mask is a terrible video game.
Terrible, Yeah, terrible, A bit bit much. Jackie G says,
I know how you guys feel about Major's Mask masks, so I'm prepared for
heartbreak. That being said, it's my favorite piece of media to ever.
Grace my life. I love that game. It is oppressive, like the
people who like Majora's Mask really like Majory's Mess, and I do respect that
exactly. I like that there are people out there whose favorite thing in the
world is Major's Mask, and we got one of them right here in our
discord. I really do, actually like people who defend Princess would never defend
it as passionately as the Major's Mask defenders exactly, and I don't believe them
as much as I believe the Major's defenders. Yes, agreed, Twilight Princess.
All right, Chuck nineteen, Yes, definitely going to really hope you
all watch that nur Nural video. And even if you don't prefer to play
the INN sixty four version of the Major's Mask, you know how unique and
special it is. I know it's unique and special. Definitely not watched that
video, but I'm going to you got me pick my favor sounds fun?
Uh Sam's name said, w WF no Mercy. I'm thirty six now,
good Godwin did that happen? And also, I'm quite sure this game is
still my most played game ever. The four player matchss I had with my
cousins will forever be some of my best gaming memories. Uh Jet Jet Binks
says, Oh sweet, we are at my birth years. Let's go with
the sims. Yakuza Wolf five says the start of the new millennium begins with
another mediocre year for games. Spiro Year of the Dragon is my pick,
probably going to be ignored again because Mike hates Spiro. Fi doesn't hate Spiro.
I don't Spiro. It's a series of very good eight out of ten
range games that aren't going to be Buck's the top five for any They weren't
even trying to be beyond eight out of ten games. They were so happy
to be eight out of tens. They were the best eight outs and they're
very good games. Yes, Eden says Video games from Hell. Diablo two
is my pick, an honorable mention to counter Strike one point six. I
think we consider Counterclass is a real kind of fuzzy because it's constrict one point
six and for a lot of people is Counterstrike. But yeah, Razzled,
Jazzled. A few well received RPGs came out this year, but among worthy
Contender's final Fantasy nine stands out obviously. Nine. Evo ganisis perfect dark which
is a game I really like, I really do. I think that's I
hold it in a higher regard than Golden I as a better game. But
I had more fun playing Golden Eye because more of my friends were playing at
that time. I won't tell you what I think about Perfect Dark. I
get you know, I already laid it on thick enough with poor Golden I
over there. Yeah, and I definitely yes, I get it. It's
basically the same, but Perfect Dark multiplayer options were a state of the art
at the time. It was really cool. From Benji Majorre's mask, he
says, my all time favorite game until Breath of the Wild and Tears of
the Kingdom. Casual, says Zeus. Master of Olympus is one of my
all time favorite games. City building paired with Greek mythology. This gym plays
like a dream man. This is a good cover. Oar. I kind
of want to go back and play this. I never even heard of it.
Yeah, was it? I forget. I don't forget. It's the
same company, but they're like remade Cleopatcher or whatever. Like the Egyptian version
of this is basically I'm not sure, but god, that was I think
it's his Inventions Company and something whatever that is down there. I can't read
it. Joy You says, since Major's Mask won't get the appreciation it deserves,
I want to shout out the Longest Journey. I never I remember that
game vaguely and may basically everybody. I remember all the Lucas starts people who
are despairing at the time because the writing was on the wall. We did
get Escape from MONKEYO in this year, which is okay. A lot of
people are saying Longest Journey was very good. I never actually quite got to
it, but the people do like it. Boomer of the Wild said,
Oh, let's freaking go two thousand, the year of the will Limnium.
Why two k in the best game of the of that year, jet Set
Radio. This should be on everyone's list, just for the style alone style,
Jamie H. Christmas Eve says Tony expres Skater two came out when I
was ten years old and at one percent shape both my music taste and my
fashion choices in my teenage years. Honorable mentioned to ghost Babble, Oh yeah,
it's a good that's a good game, Chaos Buckaroo, Pokemon's Gold and
Silver. Yeah, you'll point out plenty of issues, but the game is
still great despite them. Duck Sau says, deus X. Beef Hammer says
Majora's mask is going to get the love it deserves because you boys are going
to put it up there, and there's a lot of them, a lot
of people going to bath for Major's mask in our discord geez Yep, including
Matt Rare Monkey who put Matrior's mask at the top, and then he includes
Tony Expres, Skater two, d Sex, Diablo two and No One Lives
Forever Crouching Boomer Hidden Zoomer says, Warrior Land threes, Metroid Venia elements make
backtracking in levels a lot of fun game. I played it for the first
time last year. It was a very good I like to look bench JC
says Final Fantasy nine one of the best games of all time. Tokyo Game
Life mentions Pokemon gold and silver in the tops top five. It's proof that
the last Ember of Joy has left your souls if you don't include it.
Vision forty nine says, listen up, you philistines. You got two of
the best immersive sims maybe ever. Coming to two thousand, Thief to the
Middle Age is the best in the series, and Dao Sex is the best
thing to come out of ion Storm. I think a nacromox is the best
thing to come out of ion Storm. But you know, Potatoes Doctos says,
Hey, Mike, you're gonna get that classic Escape from Monkey Island on
the list, right, No, shure, I'm not, mister Bullers says
my main two selections are Pokemon Gold and Silver, and the Sims both should
be on this top five easy. I can't. I've I've played a lot
of the Sims at the time. It just hasn't stuck with me. Super
Harman. Not sure where you guys are on it, but boys, Dao
Sex both incredible and highly influential. Yeah, I think it's the one I'm
going to feel the worst about. Yeah, stronger opinion on to be honest,
but always be clothing slash cord, He says, So here, I
am doing everything I can holding onto one. Am pretending that I'm a Superman,
and they says tone exprestkater two. But I'm pretty sure Superman was to
experts skatter one right, I'm not sure. Yeah, screaming Madden says,
in that field, feel the power, Yeah, Mike, what is he
doing here? I think you're hitting is the ground in the Showers playbook?
Fool of techniques I'm playing for? Okay, Madden is a maddened thing.
I'm like, no idea. Those are all lyrics from the Madden specific rap
the mad in the game by exhibit for Madden NFL two. That's why I
was worried I was gonna lose my nerd card, like this was some Tony
Hawks song I forgot or something. I'm so relieved, which actually should be
considered because that on PS two ushered in the best era of Madden. But
if not, please consider Warrior Land three. I think I will consider that.
Yeah, Madden NFL at this point was actually very good. NFL two
K was actually pretty good this time too. Shoji Koto says, amazing year
for extreme sports games, Tony Hawks, Sports Skater two SSX, Dave Mira
Freestyle BMX. Yeah, those are all very good games of the s SSX
games. I think I like Tricky the best. I can't remember which one's
the best, but you're tricky, I think. Yeah. Hosp says Pokemon
gold and silver, if for nothing else that that than the shiny red gear
Audos I can never say that name. Garrodos Flobotron says, Vampire the Masquerade
Redemption a vampire raput you with a several hundred year time jump in the story.
First year character looks like a crusader with a great sword, and then
suddenly he's an edge lord with a mini gun. Yeah sounds very cool.
You know, care about this guy? I never played this game? Did
this ever get a remaster? I think they were, didn't They say a
lot of things. Yeah, that has happened very well, but uh yeah,
Lenny cool. Dick Denver says, I'll give you a shout out to
Command and Conquer Red Alert, to a game that I still dip into now
and still has an online player base. I think it's my favorite RTS campaign
ever. Ray says multiple important games already mentioned. Do Sex would top my
list, but the SIMS was also incredibly good, and we didn't have micro
transactions yet. He also mentioned Diablo two and counter Strikehignts forty two says Pokemon
Golden Silver Slain says the first paper Mario came out this year, though technically
the thousand year Door might be better, the original will always have a soft
spot in my heart. You did you she Paper Mario t t YG sixty
four. It's Paper Mario one, but with a lot of the features like
badges from from Papers in your Door. It's a fan fan mode. Obviously,
I'm like, I might want to play that. I Paper Mario is
a good game. I had a hard time really loving it because I was
so stupidly bitter about it not being Yo RPG two even the like gameplay wise
it so is, but basically I was upset that Gino and Matt lowerren in
it. Yep, yeah, I felt pretty similar. Although five thousand year
Door I was over that and just really really liked that game. Rock Party
says Diablo two. Giggee sixty four says Jeff and Mike. Please give me
this one release for North America in the year two thousand for PS one,
Front Mission three still stands out as one of the best turn based strategy met
games. And if it doesn't make the list at least, let me hear
you, guys, say Wanzer on the show. Answer, this is the
first one I think we got here, and I know, even according to
the Front Mission fans, is like the first really good one I would play
a turn based strategy met game. Uh you had, I thought, isn't
that basically that into the breach you love? Yes, it is example into
the breach. Fucking good. Uh. Doctor Ryan says it always gets forgotten.
But the hidden gem of two thousand and a game that deserves to be
on the list is no One Less Forever. Sasquatchings by, I think he
missed a breadfish, said paper Mario. Just don't want to breadfish to be
forgotten. Whoop okay, yes, same, thank you breadfish. Uh,
sasquatch you says Commanded conquer Redlaer two. Teryak Blues says, I'd seriously consider
Madden. The jump from PS one to PS two felt insane at the time.
So many RTS fans in the discorp Commanded conquer fans specifically. I think
I was just in a weird bubble. I didn't realize Command Conqueror was that
well like can Commandic Concker was very good at this plan America Dragon ninety eight
says. Skies of Arcadia. Sarapus Kain says Diablo two. Wong Gifts says,
played threads of Fade to coneths ago, I want to play this game
so badly. This is like a weird action RPG from Squareness at the time.
That's something of a hidden gem I've been hearing. I've been seeing like
a lot of videos about this game recently. I really want to play Threads
of Fit. You have two different characters to play as, and like the
girl is like the worst person ever in a really funny way. Yeah,
I think this would be a good play through. DMC depressed me crying this
spiral Year of the Dragon and Kirby sixty four Crystal Shards Kirby sixty four mid
Yeah, I mean it's fine. Nick Turbo says, hope you are having
a pilelicious three hundred and fourteenth episode my Dogs. Okay, yeah, episode
Pie. I know the levels are sometimes too big, and you two are
apparent Banjo haters, but I love Banjo Kazooi. Banjo Twi continues in two
in its predecessor as one of the best filling three D platformers ever made.
I don't hate Banjo twey, I just do not like it as much as
Banjo. Yeah, and look, you know he's mad because we didn't get
Banjo Kazooi in the list for it's year. And I feel a little bad
about that. But it's rough, wasn't it? Night ninety eight was this
year? So what are you gonna do? It's hard there for banjo?
All right, I'm going back to Sasquatching Citism in the chat. I never
read his extra stuff and he does say also shout out to sacrifice and Giants
Citizen Kabudo. Citizen k Yeah. I still remember to this day. I've
never played Giants Citizen Kabuto and I've always wanted to. That's an underrated game.
That's a weird goofy game. That was like the first game I remember
where like you're just playing a third person action so a shooter game, and
then all of a sudden surprise. It's kind of an RTS brutal legend did
the same thing later? Think even that Minecraft game did it recently? Like?
Uh yeah, Giant Citizen Kabudo. My brother AJ really liked that game.
I used to watch him play a lot as a silly, silly game.
Uh that that one? Where did it come out at? Was that
PC? A PC? Okay, okay, that's a PC joint? What
am I? What is the one I'm thinking of? That is was on
sixty four D d uh oh you're thinking about the giant, the Giant,
do you think of something else? Yes? Okay, all right, So
I remember the name A Giant says in Kubudo, but I never I guess
I never really knew what it was. Corley Poo. If counting hours back
then was more popular, I'd probably have several thousand hours in Command and Conquer
Retol Art two. If it wasn't for its sequel, I would It would
probably be my candidate for the greatest RTS of all time. But the best
game of two thousand is Majori's Mask. Isaac Clark says Final Fantasy nine.
Edwards says, vagrant story, Here we go. I d Kevin says the
sims, but also shout out to Bomber sixty Bomberman sixty four, the Second
Attack, and Harvest Moon Back to the nature. Christian says King of Fighters
two thousand, just because it gave us the coolest character ever, Vanessa.
Yeah, I see why he liked this character. Yeah, Vanessa also looks
pretty. Those are some good Edgar Marino says Major's mask is the goat Turbo
Shawn. So what if MegaMan legends but with modern day duel analog patrols way
before those were commonplace. MegaMan Legends two. Okay, Man, I played
back with Legends when recently and really liked it. I do need to finally
play Legends too at some point. Man. There's a lot of people are
discord who carry a giant torch for George Mask. I mean, we honestly
have a lot of Nintendo people in here, so that's not too shocking.
But I well, I'm probably put I would put George's Mask at five.
I like that a lot. I would if it didn't mean but Barbow's cap
on two getting gone there. That's my problem with that. I don't know.
I guess I I don't want to be frumpy, but yeah, I'm
a little I don't quite see but George's Mask being that important. I don't
know. I like but George Mask and I get it. Uh, It's
it's not that high for me. But if it's for me, Jeff,
if you feel that strongly about it, it's it's I mean, it's a
it's a top ten of the game of the year for me. I do.
I do struggle to put it in the top five. It's just because
like I, like I said, I haven't had the urge to go back
and play it. Ever, and and even when I tried the three D
S version when it came out, I fell off it. I don't know.
I think that's time I ever beat it. And I think I would
just be putting up there to make people happy, and I don't want to
do that, all right, We're not pandering. Yeah, So for audio
listeners, the list right now that we have this is mostly un ordered.
We'll talk about that in a second, but the seeming locks and this is
always up for discussion. Tony Hawk's pro Skater to Diablo to Final Fantasy nine,
Vagrant Story, and then in the shortlist Marvel Verse Capcom to WWF No
Mercy, Major's Mask, Pokemon Gold and Silver, Excite by sixty four,
and jet Set Radio. Yeah. I mean, I definitely see it being
between Mars's Capcom two and Majorge's Mask, with DSX being the one I feel
the worst about not having a stronger opinion, specially shout out to shout out
to No Mercy. Yeah, Mike, I'm okay with Marvel Verse Capcom two
going up there, because, like I said, Major's Mask is not the
one I hold a torch for, Okay, and I you know, not,
Bet this list needs to be all my favorite rits, and I want
to specify it's not. It's not I'm coming at me. I got I
mean a Tony X First Cater two, especially it's number one, and then
a Vagrant story up there. I'm good. Yeah, but I do care
about Marvel's Scotcom two, and I like Marvel versus Capcom two a lot,
a lot, very much a lot. Uh oh man, Yes, John,
I was right. So it's gonna be our first Nintendo Free list.
Yeah, it might be because that's how sixty four is so mid. I'm
not shocked that in the it's height, I mean excited by sixty four actually
is better than anything up there except for Tony OX Firstka two. But yeah,
it's uh what's over a lot? I mean Majority's mask is and also
I like perfect Actually, yeah, there's plenty of good games. Mario Tennis
is is this year that Marrio Tennis is a great game. I would also
take that over almost anything on this list, but yeah, hyper Mario.
Sure, Okay, So Mike, I think this is the five Tony X
First Skater two, Diablo two, Final Fantasy nine, Vagrant Story, and
Marvel versus Capcom two. You know, I put like like I would put
the Albo pomp is the Amoros's Captain over Tonya two. But if you feel
super strongly about that, I'm not gonna say it again. I would like
to two would be more like four for me. Uh yeah, but like
you know, you feel really strongly about it, and I do you know?
That's fine? I don't care. Let me see uh you okay,
yeah, yeah, I don't know. I I think Tony's first skater two,
it's at least number two, I think. So what would you put
at number one? Uh? Probably the Apbo two, To be honest,
I think I'm okay with that actually, because that Diabo two is is it's
kind of the height of like, well not really, but this is the
midst of unbeatable Blizzard, of Blizzard being just like hit important game maker at
their hit important game. Okay, chat is given me power. They're spirit
bombing me for Tony ox at number one. Sorry, Mike, we're keeping
to number one. It's okay, Diablo two strong number tw Honestly, it's
almost it's one A, one one B. But it's uh Stock's frost Skater
two at number one, Diablo two at number two, Final Fantasy nine,
Vagrant Story at number four, and Marvel versus Capcom two at number five.
Do you want to make any changes now to that, to that ordering for
Vigor, I'm okay. If that's at number five, I honestly give me,
give me that, give me Marv's kuck On two at four, then
okay, yeah, deal, I could do that. Let's go there,
and then yeah, I do like my Marvel vers just cap come quite a
bit. It's Marvel time, baby. Oh yeah, that's so Pringles.
Well, you're Cody mustache At. I love it, all right. You
know that something is culturally irrelevant when even Mike knows the Yipes commentary. Ypes
was when I could when I told him that was crazy, all right,
gave it the year two thousand starting number five, Vagrant Story, the number
four is Marvel versus Capcom two, number three, Final Fantasy nine, number
two, Diablo two, and number one Tony Hawk's pro Skater too. That's
a very good list. So here, Michael, I'm curious now because I
think everyone was number one for nineteen and nine, and I wonder if Tonycare
three is gonna be number one for two thousand and one, because it's a
distinct possibility. It is definitely a pot I mean, Tony's first Scare of
three is that good? But like two thousand and one, also, I
feel like it was a good year, but I could I could be missing.
Well that's we're getting playsation. Uh two guys really getting on. Might
have metal saw it too, uh facy ten maybe even so, Yeah,
it's gonna be a busy year. All right, let me uh you know,
actually two years where Keendom Hearts comes out. So that's not gonna be
a problem. I'm gonna make it a problem. Boy. All Right,
we're gonna take another quick break. When we get back, we're gonna talk
about the games we've been playing. We'll be back after this. All right,
we're back. Thanks for sticking with us, everybody. Mike, I've
been playing a lot of games we can't talk about still, Sorry about that,
everybody. Well that'll change soon. But I you know, I've been
playing a few other things, but mostly I'm interested in what are you been
spending your time with? Yeah, I reviewed Armored Cores six The Fires of
Ruba Khan. Uh. Yeah, so I was able to play through that
whole campaign and publish my review for the embargo, I gave at four point
five out of five, which means that I really liked it. Jeff really
liked it quite a lot. This is I think, like a lot of
people, I did not have much experience of armored cores going in. I
had some idea of what I was getting into. I played other mech adjacent
games. I played Damon x Mockina for the Switch. Remember that game,
Yes, I do, well, it's fun ugliest sin this game not ugly,
very very pretty game. And uh I know Out and Ring was rough
on PC, especially at launch. This game work runs really well, at
least on my PC of my thirty seventy t I system looked really good.
Just even like the art, like the robots obviously looked great. Excuse me,
uh like I love the whole snowy, kind of desolate, industrial abandoned
vibe. I think it's just because of FOMP. Fantasy six taught me to
associate Max with snow so strongly, right, So like that just works really
well for me. But you know, it is just like a fun gameplay
loop of starting with like this simple mech, so the customizing it, doing
missions, getting money, unlocking more options. It is like, you know,
at first, I was like, okay, so you have all this
freedom so that you can play however you want to. It's not necessarily that
maybe you're very good, but you know, for me, somebody newer to
this, it is very much okay, I actually do need to like think
about the mission a little bit and maybe change my load out based on that,
or maybe a couple of times. One big time there was a pretty
big difficulty spike kind of towards the end of chapter one was this big boss
fight. It was one time I just straight up I had to quit the
mission, go back and grind some older missions to get more money, and
just completely upgrade and change my load out because I just wasn't getting anywhere with
me. You're not the only one who's had that experience, it seems like
right, and you know, it's like, you know, pay from software
difficulties like that's not exactly a surprising thing, but you know what, it
is also kind of fun to start thinking about that stuff, like, Okay,
well, this mission is going through have a really slow lumbering boss fight,
So it's okay if I have like my grenade launchers that are really powerful,
but they are they fire pretty slowly, have us, you know,
and they you know, maybe airborne airborne targets very well, right, stuff
like that. But you know, and you do kind of find stuff that
is that works generally pretty well. Like I generally settled on a pretty heavy
mech, like not one with like the actual like tank treads, but a
pretty heavy mech that had that could hold dual gatling guns. So that was
a really steady, consistent damage and then I would often change out my shoulder
weapons depending on the situation a lot of the time. So like I still
generally had the mecha was going. It's not like I had to rebuild a
new mech for every mission or anything like that. Jan mentioned that in the
quick Look that he was doing the two fingers on the on the triggers or
you know, index and middle fingers up on the shoulder buttons. Where you
playing that way? Oh? Always? Or do you always play that way?
I don't know, uh, I guess man, I've never really thought
of it like that before. How do I play? I don't know.
I normally just roll my next finger back and forth depending on I'm hiddie shoulder
or the or the bumper one in control right now to figure this out.
Now, I think I just do one O gays kind of roll it.
Especially we're doing that for Amacore as well. Okay, okay, yeah,
yeah, that's what I was doing. Yeah, because you do have to
push all four of those shoulder buttons pretty regularly. That's where all your your
four weapons are going to be bound too. So yeah, it's a you
know, it can be a lot. You know, it's a complicate game.
In some sense. It kind of better be if I'm piloting a giant
robot, right, I kind of want that feeling to be there. Jan
Jerome Ochoa and Chat says, as a vagrant story, Mark, vagrant story
shouldn't be up there. We're just talking about you. Yeah, yeah,
we talk about your fingers, Jan, like always, thanks thanks for tuning
in. Man. Uh yeah, I'm excited to play this game still.
I also expect, like I'll go in there and be like even knowing and
having people tell me over and over and over again. Don't expect like the
recent from software games, or for this to play like the recent from software
games. I bet I'm still going to go in there and be like,
oh, I'm surprised how much this isn't one of those, and it is
like whatever Armored Core was, right game series I've never played, and I
it's the same way as like, I get it. Of course it's not
going to be like those, but I was like surprised that there wasn't a
little bit more of that, like where it is like some of those bigger
boss fights, especially with like the bosses with the big tells of when you're
supposed to dodge right and then like you have your three Helia items, So
a little bit of that and just I guess, you know, customization that's
maybe stretching things. That's a lot of games. But you know, even
from what I understand of Armored Core, it's like, oh yeah, this
is just that again, but with a lot more polish, a lot of
elden Ring money kind of clearly thrown its way. You can see it.
Like I said, it's a very pretty game. It's also simple in ways
that I almost like like there's a lot of single rendered human in this entire
game, and that is fine. That yah, yeah, the hell with
that. You see robots, you see buildings, When people talk to you,
it's over a radio and I'm like, that's fine. That's probably part
of why it also looks really good because they're not doing stuff like that.
But you know, some things will bristle you a little bit, Like so
you know, when you go on a mission, you're just in a level
and it's pretty big, but you will also run across like invisible walls,
and it'll be like, oh, don't leave the mission parameter. It's like,
Okay, I get it, I get why you have to do that.
You know, I don't want to speak blasphemy, but it's hard not
to imagine what this would be like if it was just like a straight up
open world, more kind of a thing where you are just exploring this giant
space. Because the movement is really fun. It's maybe the best thing here
is because you could basically sort of fly. You have thrusters, even on
a heavier mech that can be pretty generous. If you make the right mech,
you can really just fly around and that feels fantastic. It's almost like
that best part of anthem, right, yeah, flying you kind of have
that here too, especially if like levels where there's sort of buildings you're weaving
in and out of, and sometimes you're kind of use that to maybe avoid
some of the less necessary fights to get yourself to the mission objective. That
feels very good. I yeah, when when when I did see that at
Summer Game Fest and seeing the movement, it's like, man, this just
looks slick as how. It looks like it feels great to move these big
heavy machines around with all those great thus thrusters and the look the look of
the thrusters who was really good as well. So yeah, that's that's the
thing I'm most excited about. Get my hands on move the mech around.
This game is going to be the best selling armor card game, without any
doubt about that at all. Do you think that it does well enough that
they start to say, okay, this is our other ongoing series, and
then they could get to a point where it's like, maybe we do one
that is more open, or do you think they're like they're happy to stick
with it, being like they're smaller game that that is more concise and easier
to get done. You can see both ways. You can see them like
maybe making this really ambitious Armored cor seven or maybe you're like, okay,
let's reconvenient another ten years. We can just kind of do one of these
again and people will like it and those things will be happy. It's hard
to tell. Like, I no Armor Core four. They sort of just
like reused a lot of stuff to make a pseudo sequel or a sideway sequel
before they might Armor Core five. Right, there's four answer. Maybe they
can do some moil or something something I just combined something similar until work.
You can do something similar with that here. It's hard to say, because
you know, yea, they have to make an Owen Ring two. You
have to imagine that maybe at some point they might want to make a second
or two, or a bloodborn two. Who knows, or maybe another entirely
new thing, or maybe from soft is actually just able to expense much that
they can have this going as a vertical. Also, I'm not sure your
internet Internet doing okay, you breaking out squiggly wiggily on us. I know
your voice, your voice is still coming through like ninety percent, but you
got a smeared video feed now and it does seem like a connection issue.
But okay, we're completely fine. Sorry, I think we're probably gonna get
through. Oh yeah, it's just continue, Yeah, we'll be fun.
Uh yeah, Mike, Mike has gone to plaid everybody. That's what's happened
here. Yeah, somehow I'm gonna make time for this, I don't know
how. But it is out tonight, right is that? Is that?
Right? Yeah? It comes out because like it's gonna be out tomorrow officially,
so I'm probably like tonight by midnight it'll be launched. That is.
I'm ready for it. I'm gonna get it, get it going right here
on this machine and play a little bit of it. Uh, But I
got a million games to play right now, including a lot of stuff we
gotta do for quick Looks next week, and we got to leave in the
middle of next week because of packs, so short on time. But I'll
find some time at least play a little bit of this Steam already, so
it's been out on Steam fantastic. Well, then I'm going to start downloading
us. We're done here, Okay, Anything else, Mike, that you've
been playing or anything else about Armored Course six, gosh, nothing else.
I think I kind of said what I want to say about. You want
to you want to see something depressing though, Go to the Armored Course subreddit
and see people freaking out about reviews even though it's you know, like it
probably it has to be the best reviewed arm Record game ever, and they
still all they can do is scour reviews for something that upsets them to get
mad about. Yeah, that's uh, that's how it goes. And it's
just like, I mean, listen, they're Armored. Cord fans have been
very thirsty for this game for a very long time, and they want it
to be game of the year material. And I think for a lot of
people this probably is going to be their game of the year. They're probably
gonna like it that much. It might not It just might not be the
consensus game of the year because look at this year and anyway it's going to
be Yeah, it's it's it's yeah, it's so it's like, yeah,
that's for from software. That's abnormal now because they're less several games have been
game of the year. What they're thinking here, They're not thinking like this
is so good for him record. They're thinking like at eighty seven, whoa
but oulda Ring was in the nineties and look at it gives are in the
nineties this year? Is that really where we are? Incredible? That's I
mean, that's where we are. Yes, So yeah, I'm glad to
hear you liked it. I'm glad to hear so many people are liking it,
even Jan who got frustrated with it little bit. He seemed like by
the end of it's like, you know what this is, this is there's
a lot of good stuff going on here. So I think that's kind of
where I'm gonna end up with it as well. Make these games pasts multiplayer?
Do you try it in because we'll not have multiplayer? Before I thought
they always did. What do you mean always did? I thought, yeah,
that's what everyone says. Armc were always had some for a while,
I had PvP, maybe not online multiplayer because of the game of the series
has been around turn servers on and just never was able to ever find a
match. It's it does not seem to be very important, to be clear,
Like it is just you know, you basically have the PvP against a
bunch of bots is like a way to earn points to get passive upgrades.
Uh. That wasn't that interested or cared that much about missing out on the
PvP? What what? What makes the first boss so hard? Again?
If we're talking if we're talking about first boss, this first big boss or
the difficulties, Spike, you're talking about the big The biggest thing is that
he kind of has this big energy shield, and it's kind of the first
time you're learning, like what the energy show us to be taken down with
energy weapons, so you kind of need to have energy weapons at that point.
And even then, it's just he's just he just has a lot of
health and deals a lot of damage compared to everything else so far in that
game. He also liked has this he's a bunch of attack where he'll shoot
out one wave of like a thousand missiles and then a second wave right after
it, so you had to kind of do a double job double dodge,
and you're still gonna maybe get clipped by it a lot. He just it's
it's a lot. It's just it was the one thing except for maybe the
very final boss, but even more so, it's like the biggest wall I
hit in terms of this took me like a good hour and again at one
point I had to just quit the mission, kind of grind, build a
new Mac and come back at it, okay real quick. Just to backups
on like said, this is the best reviewed Armored Core by a solid ten
ish. Yeah, it's just it's just weird, right, like like like
the game is gonna be inherently slightly niche. Of course, there's gonna be
some people who just aren't going to like it that much. Like I understand
that about the genres. I like that our more niche, like beat them
ups and you know, point click at venture games. I don't get mad
when they don't get scores in the nineties, right, I get it.
Yeah. Plus it's like I got a bad review from like a French website,
and the French hate Max. We all know this, right, right
because they you know, they fear them. They fear them exactly. Yes,
I know they know where the Mexs are going first. They know that
they're getting first. They've had it coming for a long time. Yeah,
I'm coming for your freedom Fries look out. Yeah, but uh, other
things. So you know, we've been playing Super Metrod for the Game Club.
I also, like I said, I was just playing through it again
and for the first time, I got a completion under three hours. So
that felt good, not just because I saw Sam miss in a bikini,
but it's just fun of that, I'm sure, and then I hate it,
but yeah, it just felt good to finally do that in Super Metroid.
Gotta Yeah, I like Super Metroid. It's gonna be interesting when we
talk about that sometime next week, probably gonna have to be on Tuesday,
even Sean and I think about what they'll put in the right If you guys
are getting me fun, yeah, we can do that. That works.
Yeah, I'm gonna be on the move all right. Yeah. Then I've
been playing Bomb Rush Cyberfunk. I think that game is pretty good. A
lot of it comes down to all the things that do that did seem to
make jet Set Radio and jet Set Jet Jet Grind Radio make those games very
good, which was, you know, their style, uh, the you
know, the look, the music. This game has all that stuff.
And then I think it also feels really good when you're playing it and you're
pulling off the combos and there's a big focus on making sure that you have
plenty of opportunities to link those combos together. I think the combat was a
bit weird. Basically, I was just ramming my character into the bad guy
and hoping for the best, and that's what you're supposed to do that a
combat. Yeah, it was. Yeah, Bump comm It's it's like one
in two combat. I like it. Yes, it's it's awkward though,
it's very uh because I don't even hit the textion or like the the sort
of response from the game, like when you ran into it's like nothing really
happens other than the character fell down. But that's what this game is about,
and there hasn't been a ton of that, so I'm not really playing.
And at the other half the combat is spray painting cops and that rules.
That's fun. It just like you know, it was grind next to
a bunch of cops and it's spray like seven of them in a row and
they haven't run run away with all this yellow paint on them. That's just
fun. So I really kind of getting an appreciation for why people might have
liked the Jet set games. But for for me, this is just clicking
in a lot of way. It's just because it feels a lot better.
So any chance you're gonna play this anytime soon? As someone who liked the
you know jests that radio and Jet I feel like I really should, So
maybe I'll try to sooner rather than later, because again, I do like
the Jet Grind Slash Set radio games a good bit, Yes, and then
uh, Curse Crackers. I can never remember the name. Curse Crackers,
I think is correct. I put in a little bit more time with that
since talking about it on this Yes, and I watched the Steam video that
was so I could show people what it was like. And then it was
like watching gay play of that and seem the super NonStop sort of long jumping
to jump in on enemies and just going as fast as possible through the levels.
And then I've started playing it that way and it's awesome. This We
are in a cool time for in D two D platformers, between this and
Pizza Tower, where it's like, no, you're just let like link all
your moves together and go as fast as fucking possible and you're gonna feel awesome.
And that was definitely true in Pizza Tower. I think it's even more
true here. So just really really adore this game so far. I'm glad
glad a code so I could check it out and kind of really recommend it.
It's on Switch, people should check that out. But then it is,
you know, it's all Starfield. We're playing Starfield. It's all Starfield,
which again we can't talk about yet, but we'll have something for that
when we can. So, yeah, a lot a lot of time spending
in a bunch of different video games looking for things I can talk about,
and then the rest of the time and stuff I can't talk about. And
then, like I said, I'm gonna try some Armored Cores, but yeah,
that doesn't for me, Mike anything else. No, we've got some
more super chats though, before we can get out of here. Yeah,
let's hit those super chats and then wrap up the show. Rogers Og says,
my partner and I went to our state fair this past weekend and had
a great time eating way too much deep fried food. What is your favorite
fair food? I usually like getting some kind of fried cheese on a stick.
Situation, Jeff, I like unfair food. Bad joke. It's bad
joke. It's not even a joke. Really, it's not even it's not
even a really Jeff, but I'm not even gonna call it word play.
To stop that, Stop that. Mass ariol Goto says, where the hell's
golden Sun? I thought we could see golden someone's before two thousand, wasn't
it? And we said no, maybe it was after Game Boy Advanced two
one. Yeah, it's after even Well, I'll tell you what. Don't
get your hopes of toot for Golden Sun anyway. So Golden forgot. Okay,
Okay, I forgot. I forgot. You like it? Yes,
matt el Alert says, rites for no One Less Forever are between APK,
Disney and EA. So okay, that's that's what it was. How did
that? I thought I remember it? Yeah? I don't know, but
I thought I remembered. Were like, oh, someone's trying to figure it
out. But maybe that was like we wish someone would figure that out,
and no one has. Okay. Doctor Ryan says, consider best wrestling game
for episode three sixteen. Oh that'd be funny. Yeah that's good. Okay,
Yeah, two weeks from now we can maybe do that. Al Greg
says, lower a Mike game for him lying about love Butt. I'm gonna
get to love boat. I well promise a strong word, but I'm going
to really try hard to get the love boats soon. If you could just
watch one episode of love Boat, all these people wouldn't We will say anything,
I know, but the problems youis I forget. Okay, listen,
I understand that you get that. I get that they see says maybe out
and Ring and Armor Cord have made a new Kingsfield game possible. That would
be amazing. I would really like that. That would be very fun.
We should play some Kingsfield games on Giant Bomb. That could be good.
William Carana says a Certain Affinity is showing a new game at games Colm behind
Closed Doors called Project low Row. Do you know if them plus Xbox are
still working on Sworte. It's wort the Halo, the cold name for the
Halo battle Way. I forgot what Swortte is. I don't know that,
but project one of these is probably the Monster Hunter game that they're working on
Xbox with, so that might be Sporte. I don't know, I don't
know. I'm pretty sure that Certain Affinity is still working on that game with
Xbox. Yes, Sorryfitty one who's working on the Halo thing? Was that
surfing is also? Then? Okay? Yep rios is. I kind of
wish the g T A six guy was a bit and he would return at
the end as a lead into a GTA six trailer. Man, I want
to do it like that. Do you think we get any other Rockstar game
besides g TA six This gen. No, yeah, we do. We
think we would get any other Rocks Yeah no, no, absolutely not no,
just just just I don't know if we'll get another one next gen.
We think she'll just be six. At that point, I wonder, like,
is it just immediately you go do Reddtion three? I guess right,
why not? Man? Probably that because whatever, I know you don't like
Red Dead Redemption. But I'm not starting. I'm not even I'm sorry.
Even if I did, like, I think it would be a burn like
that much. They would try something else. Yeah, Bully too, give
me Bully two first, and then maybe would do another Redhead. Yes,
there we go. I like Red Deead a lot more than I thought.
But that's it. Thank you everybody for the super chats. If you want
to get one in, you're running out of time. There's a recent era.
Oh it's about that project Lauro. This is this a first person shooter?
Okay, so I don't know, okay, all right, fair enough,
all right, hey everybody, thank you for tuning in. I think
we're gonna start wrapping up the show. If we have nothing else, I'm
gonna hit the button even make sure that the music is gonna play. It's
not there we go bike. Where can people find you on the internet.
They can find me on GamesBeat dot com. You can check out my Armored
Course six review there. We did a voicemail dump truck today over at giant
Bomb. That's a lot of fun. We also watched all those trailers from
Games Common Future Game Show, so check those out as well over on giant
Bomb. Part this podcast is two hours long. It doesn't feel like that.
It surprising. It's so much fun with you. Yeah, it's what
has the time just flies with you, Mike. Thank you everybody for listening.
Again, jeff Grub everywhere, Jeffy Grub, grub on threads. Let's
do each other here, okay, okay, joined the discord Discord, Discord
dot gig, slash game mess again and the Patreon patreon dot com slash game
mess. Yeah, we've had a lot of people, like a little bit
of a surge since we did the Colombo thing, So maybe that's just coincidence,
or maybe it is the power of Colombo, power of Colombo Baby.
Let's again that that episode is not public for everyone yet, so if you
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for Patreon is is huge. It is definitely the biggest driver of cash now
for us, and that that makes it makes doing this work really worth it.
It just helps in general. I got them. I got a mortgage
to pay, so I appreciate it everybody I know, But I like the
money. Oh I deal a mortgage, but yes, yeah, it's not
a real mortgage, it's one of them. You have four kids. Also,
I just like I got the pandemic era mortgage. It's a little bit.
HiT's a little I got a good deal on my mortgage. Yeah,
my rate is fantastic. Yes's okay compared to where it is today. But
still and then yes, those kids, they multiple times, they don't stop
eating. It's you just can't always need food. It's multiple times a day,
yes, yeah, multiple like frequently, it's it's multiple times a day
the time. It's a game as shepard tomorrow, I think we're doing at
seven pm Eastern, four pm Pacific. I think she's good that and we
gotta into into grilled cheese sandwiches. That's all she wants. I was asking
shot. He knows the time for sure. Good with the guests, so
yeah, I think good though. But lots of butter, so much butter?
Oh yeah, butter and cheats the gross So that's definitely lots of thanks.
Everybody cut you next time. I don't like this one. I mean
I don't know, but I don't know anything about them gaming. Everything about
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I'm ready to go hit me too, all right, Sean, see
that you have the game going. Let's see here. I'm that one then
and then this game button on. I like a tiny lade. Yeah that
looked nice. That looked fun. What you like it? I thought you
like like that one. I like building things. I thought you hated it
because he was too cocy. No, no, he did not say that.
I didn't say about that when I was into that one. Oh man,
okay, I was running that was about to yell at you. I
like it. That's yelling at me. Quizz Nos. I'm this quiz Nos
Medusa. Quizz has had this probably terrible for me, like chicken Alfredo yelling.
He's not yelling. They caught it a Carbonara actually, and it's like
the kind of carbonara that is just an Alfredo sauce of baked instead of a
Carbonaro sauce. Hey, Donny does lie right, but it tasted an amazing
I'm I'm good to go us back in there. What is the best sub
sandwich chain? It's is it? Mike's what is it? I I'm being
a bitter because I had awful I had an awful experience at Jersey Mix once.
Yeah, Jersey Mix. It seems like they've got a lot going on,
so it seems gonna be easy to mess up. Yeah. It's just
one of the things where it's like they put let us on myself and it
wouldn't let us. I say, hey, you put less on this.
Then the like tried to scrape it off, which is awful, and then
an awful job. There's still so much let us on it. It's not
okay, I said, what it's like, did you just try to scrape
it off? Like yeah, like, can you make a new one please?
As a sandwich artist, that offends me. You never stopped being a
sandwich artist once you've become one. By the way, I worked at Subway
and Jimmy John's, I would never have scraped something off and give the ingredients
cost like seventy five cents. You just remake it. It's not so big
a deal. Okay, let's see, all right, I'm gonna bring this
back in all right, I'm gonna all right, and I'm gonna post this
chat chat. Anybody thinks, look I like famp fus fancy. Anybody thinks
pomp fusy it is bare fop fancy nine is actually yes, yes, yes,
this is the one time I agree with the Final Fantasy time I do.
I don't have any strong feelings about those two games. But Mike's ready
Final Fantasy. It always looked I don't know, it's still a good game.
That's the problem. People are like, it's a bad game. No,
No, it's it's good. It's just not as good as seven or
nine. But it has this certain weird swagger to it that I ever liked.
Where it's like, we're the people that made Final Fantasy seven. I
watched this pull up our bridges and make a real video game. I thought
it was because it was teenagers. Yeah, definitely, yes, definitely,
pardon it felt very like Titanic, which I don't want Titanic. I don't
even know if it was out at that point, but it felt like Titanic.
Man, Twitter is gonna love you putting Vagrant story over Gold Silvers,
gonna love it. Oh yeah, it's right. No, No, okay,
hey, hey, you motherfucker's put the broken ass mess of a game
brand blue out list, but you're not playing gold and Silver on the list.
You know, there's this you know, cultural historic things. Okay,
you're right, but still I was like, I don't know, I guess
engagement. Nobody telling anybody, Yeah exactly, of course that Yeah, do
you even do you even say the worst Code Veronica allowed, because that game
is that they have to so good. I looked at Code Veronica and I
was gonna wait for Mike the sand He didn't, so nobody say no,
one said Code Vernica. I don't think, Yes, it's it's definitely one
of those ones where I know people liked it, but at the time I
remember playing it on Dreamcast and then being like something about, this feels pretty
out of date with these tank controls. Not that there, Like, I'm
fine with tank controls. I'll play a game with ten controls. It felt
out of date and out of place at almost feels like it was supposed to
be Resival three. Yeah, wild figured stories the Baba yet to Yeah,
is good fucking incredible. You're absolutely right, Ricky. I look, I
realized I came at the Pomp Fantasy eight people really hardology. I wasn't I
wasn't wrong, but still I was. I shouldn't have said it's he's not
wrong, but he's out of line. Oh man, Like you don't need
to be a dick to be like fruitful like that. I'm not gonna lie.
It felt good to say it. It felt a little bad. All
right, let's see here. Okay, we can bring it back in.
I'll be good. Everyone good. Yeah, Yeah, for sure,