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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. Hello world, you're listening to Eleanor

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Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on
the Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we're

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always creeping it real. I'm your
host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to

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my paranormal Closet where the stories and
magic take place. My guest today is

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an author and YouTuber. His book
on Monsters is what caught my attention.

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Please join me in welcoming Josh nan
o'kio. Hi Andy, I'm great,

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Thank you, thanks for joining me. I don't know if you know it,

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but I write about true account hauntings
and other strange phenomena. So I

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was fascinated enough about your book Monsters
to want to have you as a guest

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on my show because I'm finding there's
a lot more are out there than I

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even realized. Big Foot on familiar
with since I specifically added other strange Phenomena

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to my original title because of all
of the Bigfoot stories coming into me from

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around my county, even very recent
sightings, and they were so good I

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had to do something to be able
to get them into a ghost book.

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But there are others I'm unfamiliar with, like Dogman, for instance, What

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is that all about? Dogman is
like that. I don't want to say

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it's a new phenomenal because it's been
around for it's been around for a minute,

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but it seems like it's kind of
just recently, like the last ten

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or fifteen years, really come onto
the Internet. And I think part of

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it is also people's just fascination with
the concept of werewolves. But dogmen are

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not werewolves. And so like even
my son who always asked me, he's

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like, what's what's the difference,
I'm like, well, you know,

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the easiest way to break it down
is is werewolves are obviously, you know,

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fictitious things that we've paid for Hollywood
movies that they involved someone shape shifting

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under a certain condition, like for
example, like a full moon. But

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a dogman is physically they're almost the
same, but they're their own, they're

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like, ay, their own creature. They're encrypted that there's something that that's

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been around for hundreds and hundreds of
years. If you go back you look

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at a lot of the stories of
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They all have these crazy stories of
like fighting dog people, dog humans,

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wolf humans. It's really frightening.
I mean, there's stories that range

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Oliver but definitely the Midwest, a
lot right around the Oklahoma specifically if you

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go up forgive me because I'm not
too familiar with the names of the tribes

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up north. I know the Algone
Quinn, but that they got stories too.

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I know people talk about window goes
and stuff like that in their folklore,

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but there's a lot of stories from
just the tribes alone from the Midwest

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up to the north of just encountering
these beings. Now that kind of takes

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us to modern day, and it
seems like the last I kind of became

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aware of it probably around twenty fourteen, but I think it's been servicing on

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the internet probably closer to I can't
give exact dates here because I don't know,

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but I'm assimbly probably the end of
the two thousand tens ish or a

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thousand nine ish people are just talking
about, Hey, you know, like

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when I was growing up, I
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thing. I don't know what it
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where the name Dogman took place,
but media are some of these stories where

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it's Hayleiss something my grand Patty,
for like the nineteen fifties, was out

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hunting and he came across this wolf
human thing. Back then, you know

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that there's no concept of a werewolf. You just do. You don't know

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what it was. It was just
a thing that you just you're scared of.

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You know, it's some sort of
Alva predator. I don't know.

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And I've obviously, you know,
with the nineteen eighties and nineteen sevent nation

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and we had the American well from
London, you know, we had Silver

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Bullet, we had gosh that there's
just a plethora of where movies came out.

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I think that really kind of helped
shape the werewolf cultures. So now

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people have that in their heads.
They're like, oh, I saw a

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werewolf, but I think it's actually
whatever or whatever these what all these trees

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are that people are saying the Dogman. Yeah, so now it's just kind

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of taken out a life of its
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of people are sharing encounters. I've
had some really terrifying one shared with me

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there's one in the books specifically that
talks about I think it's like one of

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the first ones. There's a gentleman
who is driving his truck late at night.

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There's something that happened with this engine. I don't remember what it was,

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but he pulls over the side of
the road. And it's been a

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while since I read the story,
so forgive me. But in essence,

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he hears a noise, turns around. There's a dead deer, and he

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sees his long hand come out and
grab it, and a wolf like head

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pop out and it literally terrifies him. But of course that's just one of

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hundreds, I know it kind of. He has a host of dogman stories.

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The National American Dogman Project, believe
that's what it's called. Should They

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have hundreds and hundreds of encounters that
people asmitted to them phantoms and monsters,

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But you know, with Lawn Strickler, hundreds and hundreds of encounters were dogmans.

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I mean, like, it's just
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to see that people all over the
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wolf, which is completely terrifying.
Help it answer that question? Oh?

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It sort it sure? Does Now
what about flying humanoid? Well, that's

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its own rabbit hole. So in
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also ran across a lot of them. Which ones you want to talk about?

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I mean there's there's there's a bunch
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people report fairy like beings, like
not like the Disney tinker Bell, but

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like actually like smaller human aoid looking
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looking things out hey. In my
world, they've been referred to as elementals

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because I've had people calling insane,
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some elderly gentleman, he's like eighty
six years old, and he's a follower

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of mine, and he messaged me
and he said, oh, because he

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likes going out for his walks with
his dog, and he likes taken his

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phone because he loves to take pictures
of the deer herds and just things that

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randomly grab his attention. And I
also feel that he's extremely sensitive to this

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sort of thing because he'll see something
I want to take a picture of it,

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and then he'll go back home and
he'll look at his pictures and he'll

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be like, oh, oh,
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So he is definitely sensitive to spirit
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to pick this up on his camera. But he sends me this picture of

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he says, I think it's a
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this thing in this picture, and
everybody that I've shared the picture which says,

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they feel it's an elemental but it
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look like this little guy, you
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bigsmark in the middle of a deer
herd. I'll have to send you the

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picture and get your take on it. But he is just so perplexed.

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But he's convinced that it's something,
and he says, now when he goes

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back to that particular area, he
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live in this field where the deer
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what you're describing is a is a
fairy. And I say that because so

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Josh Cutchin for any of you listening, if anybody knows what is he is

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a very big forty and paranormal researcher
author and his specialty is focal or fairies.

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And things like that, and he
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educated me on the whole fairy thing, like kind of describe more what they

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are and how they they've kind of
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and what they do and I'm like, oh my gosh. And so a

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lot of citings like that, Like
little people. There's so many stories of

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people finding my viewees, I don't
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dressed people that look almost like look
elegant or something in the woods they're gone

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the next second. Or people being
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Let's say a herd, but maybe
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maybe like the big pigmy people.
Just all sorts of stuff. I'm not

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too knowledgeable on the fairy aspect,
but Josh is very educated on that.

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So I have a few videos kind
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a that's such a deep interesting topic. In fact, there was one story,

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and I believe it was from around
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a boy who was out playing was
approached by a mysterious woman who had led

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him to a house where there was
a party. But apparently when his family

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went out looking for him like that, there was no such house, there

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was no such person living where they
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like you know, fairies or woodland
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I'm giving like a very shortened verse
of the story, but that's seen

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essence what it was. But it's
just like wow, like there's there's some

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staff going on that we have no
idea and why you why they keep themselves

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invisible? Do you think it's interdimensional? And why are they here? What

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are they doing? Yeah? I
think we have to look back to a

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lot of I don't want to say, you know, a lot of native

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tribes have the answers, but they
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day society because I feel like,
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lot of modern day society, they
kind of scoffed this stuff. It's it's

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pseudoscience. It's not legitimate to them. Yeah, And I understand, like

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from a from a pen and paper
perspective, I get it. But you

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go back and hear all these stories
from all these different tribes and you look

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at there, I would to say
that their folklore but you look at their

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legends in there, and they all
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They're just with different names in different
locations. I'm talking with the Seminoles,

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I'm talking about the Choked, I'm
talking about the Apache. It doesn't matter

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who it is, they all got
something similar. Then then, so you

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take that as your foundation, right, and then you start to like kind

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of hear more of like the first
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day twenty fifteen account. I'm talking
accounts from fur trappers and hunters and trackers

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from like the eighteen hundreds were like, hey, you know, I was

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out looking for deer or for a
buck, and I came across this two

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foot tall being and then he was
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They didn't then't know what the heck
that stuff was. They had no concept

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of a ferry or a tinker bell, which just we don't know what it

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is. But they're kind of just
obscure writings, as most people claim,

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because it's like a one off account
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there is some historical documentation that does
talk about it, and you kind of

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move into more modern times to everybody
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of tell about their account, and
there's just a lot more of this stuff.

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Clearly there's something going on that we
didn't know. But I want to

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go back to the flying thing for
them because that kind of does attach to

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it in a way. You had
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You mentioned elementals. What I think
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people have reported seeing bat squatched some
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I've heard people seeing carriage like clothman
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mothman, thunderbird that that's a whole
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natives had stories about that coming with
a storm. Apparently there's a lot of

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stories of it, like stealing women
and children from the field word where they're

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gathering wheat and stuff. Talking about
a not like a condo. We're talking

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about a massive, massive bird that
had supernatural powers to it. I mentioned

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the dinosaur thing that that's been happening
a lot more recently. Just apparently anything

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that flies, reptilian bat looking whatever, mothman, gargoyle, that's another big

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one. I see a lot of. In fact, I've seen a lot

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of accounts that people refer to the
have you ever seen jeepers creepers? Well,

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if anyone, I was, I
was thinking of that when you said

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the flying that like thing, jeepers
creepers is saying, they came to my

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mind. I've talked about seeing jeepers
creepers looking like things, and just it

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seems I have to kind of be
careful here because I know some people are

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in this realm of cryptozology, are
very much in this box where like everything

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is just strictly flesh and blood.
We don't have answers. Other people are

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like, well, these have to
be supernatural. I'm definitely in the I

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leaned towards them, like it would
make sense of these are supernatural because they

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can go in and out of our
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about that, because I know a
lot of people get like, well not,

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well wait a minute, if you
look at it. And then I've

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actually discovered this girl on YouTube.
I I can't remember her name, but

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she actually explains the dimensional thing.
So if you're three D looking in at

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two D, you can pretty much
alter anywhere on the plane. You could

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see past, you could see present, you could see future, and you

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could alter things on a two D
plane without a two D person, assuming

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that one existed without them ever knowing. Right, So we're obvious see dealing

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with entities that are potentially fourth dimensional, if not more, which means that

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they can come in alter do things
on our timeline at any given time.

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In fact, there is I'm trying
to remember what it was. There's a

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thing on Facebook I saw where someone
had taken a picture of this same location

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every single day for three and to
sixty five days, and they stitch it

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together and it was like this perfect
panoramic shot of January first, December first,

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but each day was this tiny sliver, so it looked like it faded

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from winter to spring to summer to
obviously like back to fall. And someone

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had mentioned they're like, hey,
this is kind of like a really crude

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illustration of what forty looks like,
and it kind of clicked to me,

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and I'm like, this is probably
somewhat where a forty person can see on

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a timeline where I'm hey, like
I can go in at any point in

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this time and they can't even because
like a two D person couldn't see a

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thre dy person. That's the same
way we couldn't see fourth dimension, So

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it would make sense that a fourth
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any point and do what they want
and then then also vanished. It would

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have no idea they're manipulating our time
and space. So there's there's a little

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bit of science, some crude science
for you. But I'm like everyone else.

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I not some PhD academic or academia. I just I'm just trying to

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look for answers like anybody else,
and hopefully confind some just using some explanations.

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Well it has to be this because
of this, and you know,

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you look at all these other accounts, I get to a point where I'm

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flesh and blood just doesn't make sense
that there's just too many bizarre accounts,

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too many accounts that are attached with
like demonic behavior, too many accounts that

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that come off as spiritual where there's
like spiritual qualities to it, whether it

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be an ode or whether it be
behavioral, whether it be they're here,

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they're gone, or they do impossible
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So I don't know if I really
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But then there are other things that
would make me think that way. So

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obviously, there's there's plenty of bigfoot
accounts where people have physically shot and or

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killed these creatures. I've never heard
at you, Well, I shouldn't say

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never heard it. I heard,
like in the eighteen hundred, somebody during

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a hunting excursion shot a hairy being. That's the only thing I've ever heard.

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I've never heard of anything more recent, have you? Justin Smega supposedly

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shot and killed one. But I
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Some people say he's lying. You
know, I'm not an expert with a

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guy. I just that's his supposed
the story that he shot and killed one

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of a young one of these things. For those that don't know the story,

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the very condensed version is that he
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So I'm trying to see if I
remember this. I think I'm trying

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to see if the mother something went
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He tried to shoot at it,
and for some reason a young ling came

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to him and he shot in the
face. Or he don't. He did

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say he knew he killed the youngling, and that they were looking at it

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and it wasn't like a baby.
He was probably like, I don't know,

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just a juvenile and him and his
partner were looking at it and they're

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like, oh, it's ugly.
You know, it looks like a chimpanzee,

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or it looks like something they don't
or what. They didn't know what

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it was. They weren't like,
oh wait, they were just like,

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oh, I don't know what this
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when people are well, they are
flushing. But how do you explain these

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stories? I don't no, you
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I don't know if there's certain beings
that are strictly supernatural. I don't

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know if they can come in and
out and then also they manifest and stay

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in this dimension. I don't have
a book on that. But what I

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do find interesting as that there's also
multiple stories are like people, it kind

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of goes both ways. Where people
shooting a dogman either the bullets do nothing,

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they bounce off the coat it doesn't
have an effect, or they shoot

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at it and there is blood and
it and there is something. Sorry I'm

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trying to say with my cats in
here, that's the right you can hello,

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Adam. It's either one or the
other. And so That's why I'm

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always like there's stories that kind of
provide both, But in my opinion,

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I feel like there's far more stories
that kind of aim for the whole that's

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definitely kind of supernatural that it is. I'm questioned that other guy's account of

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shooting a juvenile. What happened to
the carcass? You didn't think it was

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strange enough for you to keep it
and bring it back and show the world.

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I mean, you could have had
a million dollar picture right there,

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or a million dollar calf. Let
me get to it, because this is

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a really great topic. So we're
in a field, right, what where

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people are desperate, they're hungry for
photo, video evidence. Right. I

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get a lot of complaints for like, how come you're just telling me bull

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sense or should be bull crap stories
with no video or picture. I don't

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really get video and picture. And
if if here's the thing too, if

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I were to get really compelling video
and picture, even if I were to

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post it, there'd probably be a
quarter of people that are like, oh

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wow, that's like that's awesome,
Like that's really convincing. But the majority

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people, no matter how good,
would say it's a hoax. I mean,

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think, for example, if you've
got a photo of Bigfoot, you

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were twenty feet away from the guy
and you had a DSLR camera right high

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quality. He snapped at perfect camera. How many even even though it's legitimate,

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you're like, holy crap, I'm
the first person ever you take an

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actual in focus picture Bigfoot. Think
of the majority of people, probably nine

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at a ten we'd like, oh, it's a hoax, it's too perfect.

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But if I got this park like
no winning that bet your bottom dollar

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be dragging that carcass back into society. Just like in Jewels when they put

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that fish and they hung it from
the hawk and said, look what we

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I would have been doing the same
thing now that I would have. I

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wouldn't have a shot at it.
I wouldn't have a tried to coll sets

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and eight. Yes I'm not,
but if that's what they did, I

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would have been that person to take
and go look what I got. I

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would have brought the news in.
I would have brought everybody in and said

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make what you want of it.
I don't care if you believe it or

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not, but here it here,
this shit is you know what I mean?

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Wants to pay me for the carcass
and why who knows? That's I

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was my thinking too. I think
he took a picture of it, but

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I'm like, why would I would
put that carcass on my back and I

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would dragging him like yeah, freakin
wantly, yep, damn straight. That's

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that's that's the money thing right there. If you shot this thing, even

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it was an accident, and you
shot because you got the ships get out

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of you and this thing came at
you and you just you didn't know what

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the hell was and you shot it, I would have definitely brought that back

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and gotten something for it. So
that's that's my take on it, and

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not how true it is. I
mean, he got attention, but he

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could have gotten way more attention and
some money out of it if he was

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looking right. I'm not agree and
orchly I feel I feel like this kind

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of thing right here, along with
the picture thing I was high, is

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probably why this field will always you
looked at. Its just pseudoscience and like

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having no factual basis, just because
how do you operate in a field of

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I guess you want to say science, because science is just data where there's

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no linature, which everything's anecdotal.
Everything is firsthand accounts. I could see

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why most skeptics are like, you
know, I's just I have a hard

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time buying it. But then do
you have all these people, these poor

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people who have had actual, like
firsthand encounters, and they're terrified. They

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don't know how to explain it.
They're just like, listen, I was

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here, I was doing this and
this happened to me. I don't I

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don't have the science to explain it. I know it's real. I'm terrified

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of it, you know. And
what do you do with these people?

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There's thousands of them, thousands I've
I've read and heard and just you hear

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so many accounts, and I know
people say, well, I'm sure there's

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a lot that are lying, which, yeah, of course there are.

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You have to factor then end.
But there's no way that every single everybody

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as correct. Way do you get
the story from Do people reach out to

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you and say, hey, I
have a monster story to share with you.

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Now, I don't think anyone's used
the world. I have a monster

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story, but you were had a
weird experience. For example, in the

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book, there's a gentleman who reached
out to me. It's one of the

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Bigfoot stories. Actually him and his
buddy they went hunting on that private ground

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in Florida. So if anyone has
the book they want to read the story,

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refresh my memory. Yeah, it
was this hunting ground. I say

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it's a hunting ground, but it
was just private, private land owned by

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company. I can't remember the because
it's been a while. So there read

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the story. But anyway, they
get permission, they go there. They're

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all alone in an RV with four
wheelers and they started getting attacked by They

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didn't know what the heck these things
are. They weren't like, oh it's

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it's a skut gig. They were
just saying that these large things they're beating

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on the trailer, they're pounding the
truny. They were very very hostile or

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his style against them, very aggressive, and so they had they had to

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leave like the following morning. But
if you read it that, you're like,

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oh my gosh, this is terrifying. I have a personal friend here

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up in Sussex County who has had
his encounters with big Foot in this area

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and the same it's a hostile encounter
where he and his family were in there

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camper and these things went at it. So I've heard those kind of stories

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before, for sure. Yeah,
it's just it's it's incredibly frightening obviously,

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like Dogman, like, that's a
whole other thing that that people talk about

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that's incredibly frightening as well, just
because a lot of the nature of those

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are very violent. Fortunately, there
are stories where people don't live to tail

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the tale. Probably when if someone
were asking, like, what's what's probably

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one of the most disturbing, chilling
dogmin accounts you ever come across, The

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only one, I mean, there
are several, but probably the most recent

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and the one that comes to mind
is the story of Joe Barger forgive me

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Joe if I'm pronounced you staying wrong. I met him at a Doglin conference

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last year. Funny enough, he
wasn't like oire getting attention. I was

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sitting at a table talk of Tony
Merkel and him and I were just chatting.

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I don't remember what we were I
think we were talking about Doglin,

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I do I I don't remember what
the what we were saying, but he's

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just kind of like listening it kind
of times and he's like, yeah,

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I shot one, and Tony and
I are like, look at each other,

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and we looked at him. We're
like what. He's like, yeah,

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like I shot and killed and he
was trying to get in my truck.

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I'm like, please sit down and
tell us and say. He's like,

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all right, I can tell you. She's very calm. He's like,

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well, you know, basically,
long story short. I was a

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truck driver. I think it was
back in like twenty sixteen. He was

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up in Michigan, I don't I
don't remember which part of northern part.

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He was going up the hill and
as a trucker he had to be like

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ship gears. So he's going like, you know, maybe twenty five miles

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and he looks up and there's this
thing riding right alongside his window, looking

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in right at him, and it's
not like looking at him, but it's

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also like looking down at the door, and you could tell there's intelligence in

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his eyes, but it's also trying
to find a way in his truck.

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And it reaches its hand in because
he has to window partably down and it's

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trying to stick his hand in to
find some some way to open the door

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to get to Joe. Now,
Joe has his I believe he had a

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three forty seven right there on his
um an office on the seat or the

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what somebody will help me out here
in the eye whatever this tap on in

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the cab on the kind of Oh
yeah, he's you know, the poor

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guy's going twenty five miles and are
you know he's got a big load behind

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he's going up a grade. He's
like he can like floor it, and

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so he just grabs his thing and
shoots it right in the head. It

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falls down. But apparently he was
thinking that there was another one coming up

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to flank him on the left hand
side because he wasn't taking his mirror ear

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So anyway, I guess he comes
around the area and I guess there's like

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there's a strange couple. I would
say a strange couple, but there's a

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couple. They're standing kind of like
right near the spot, and I'm hoping

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him telling the story, right,
there's a couple the spot and he kind

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of stops. He's like, hey, is everything okay? They're like yeah,

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They're like there's just some weird sounds
going off from the woods. It

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sounds like two bears fighting, and
I believe the body that was their initially

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was now gone. Either something dragged
it away. There's more to the story

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than that, folks. You have
to go and check that episode out.

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But that's basically you in a nutshow
what it was and what he was just

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telling this. It was just it
was he wasn't like sitting there telling the

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story. He was just like,
hey, you know, I'm you know,

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doing this and I see this thing
and I'm like, he need to

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describe it in detail. He's like, yeah, you know, I had

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this and out of this, and
you could tell it was really tough for

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him to recall. And I'm thinking
to myself, I've never in my life

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sat down with a with a human
being face to face and like then like

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genuinely tell me their experience. It's
always been like over email, over the

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phone. But like, dude,
I shot this big foot man and I'm

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like, okay, that's cool you
now. But he was so you could

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actually I see he being boasted in
the facial. Let's say he's like,

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I don't want anything from this.
He's like, I just I'm just,

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you know, I kind of want
to forget about it. You know.

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It was because like I don't know
what the heck it is. He didn't

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say it was Awarewolf He never used
that word. He just says, I

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don't know what it was. It
was just big. It was tall.

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It looked like a wolf, and
it was trying to get my truck.

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Itt used its hand. It was
smart enough to know that what what the

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door handle is, and it couldn't
figure it out. But he said it

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kept looking at him and look down
at the door. And as he's saying

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that, like, I'm just getting
chills because I like the fact that it's

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inten you have to know to open
the door and get into get to you.

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But he said it was it was
probably like ten feet. It was

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huge, just a massive thing face. Obviously it fell down and you know,

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started to like do the death convulsion. It just it was right there

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in the It's not a ditch,
but it's a part of the road that

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kind of like dip divots down,
you know. I don't want to say

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it was a ditch because it wasn't
ditch, but anyway, people get the

406
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,720
ideas on the side of the road. Yeah, but that's probably one of

407
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:12,240
the stories where I'm like, wow, like that's well, but there's there's

408
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,839
a caveat right, There's more to
it, So I guess six months later,

409
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,440
wasn't that too much? Long later, he actually gets detained by an

410
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:23,960
unmarked STV of some kind and he
gets brought to a location and they start

411
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000
like questioning him and saying like,
oh, you know, we can make

412
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:29,759
everything, we can make your entire
career go away, we can freeze your

413
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,160
bank account, and they're He's based
like, like, what do you guys

414
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,680
want for me? He's like they
basically told him, like, you killed

415
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,160
one of our assets. You remember
that. And he's like and they're like,

416
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,319
you know, you shouldn't be talking
about this, Like you don't need

417
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,599
to be you don't need to say
nothing. They weren't going to work from

418
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,119
this government. They didn't, they
didn't say, so it's just what the

419
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,440
heck is going on? Is he
like? Twenty five, twenty seventeen,

420
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:55,319
And so he's like, yeah,
I stayed quite about it for years.

421
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,119
That's why he's kind of like,
you know, I don't really want anything

422
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,359
from this. He's this is just
you know, I'm just per like what

423
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,640
person a person tell you? And
I was like, can I tell your

424
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,799
story on my show? He's like, yeah, it's fine, you know,

425
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,839
that's okay, go for it.
I was just like Wow, checked

426
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:12,680
to see he's have you checked recently
as ze if he's still around around So

427
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:21,319
government engineered in scientific lab create a
creator. Oh oh my god. I've

428
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,160
heard that the military uses these as
weapons or they have I guess a sect

429
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,559
of them as weapons. But nope, kidding now, it totally knows what

430
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,920
what they have that that that they
have. I've heard people tell me supposedly

431
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,440
from the inside, that they have
their own like thing of these things.

432
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,039
And a lot of times what you're
saying now is once they're loose, that

433
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,599
are killing people. I don't know, you know, for all I know,

434
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,279
i'd probably have plants emailing me give
me purposely giving me misinformation to share.

435
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:53,920
I don't know who knows either way. Yikes, that doesn't make going

436
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,319
to stay inside nothing well well even
that jeepers creepers one damn after that movie,

437
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,960
and you think this actually something out
there like that? Oh, oh

438
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,759
my god, no, thank you. Getting off the monster topic, what

439
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,759
do you make of the most recent
UFOs starting in Nevada? Was it Nevada,

440
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:17,880
Las Vegas? It was I think
where recently it was like this whole

441
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,400
neighborhood of people saw this thing in
the sky and then next thing, they

442
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,240
know, these see these gray beings, and there were so many. It

443
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:30,359
was on the news. It was
on media, mainstream media, and they

444
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:36,319
were talking about how all of these
people in this neighborhood saw this thing.

445
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:41,359
And the cops even came and got
something on their camera and they actually showed

446
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,319
that footage. It almost sounds like
it was something that happened, and somebody

447
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,880
said it could have been a media
but the fact that they it was followed

448
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,480
by them seeing these gray beings and
so many different people in different instances in

449
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,920
that neighborhood having an account. There's
actually some young kid, I think probably

450
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,799
eighteen or nineteen who actually did a
TikTok on what he saw on it.

451
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,519
So you could probably catch that somewhere, but I caught it on mainstream media

452
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:08,200
and the news. I was like, what what is this that they actually

453
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,480
are recording it? You didn't hear
anything about that. It was a couple

454
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:14,759
weeks ago. I mean I don't. I don't actively like always look for

455
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,200
this stuff, but a lot of
times I have people that will bring these

456
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,640
things to my attention. But I'm
just now seeing some things about it that

457
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,079
they saw strange aliens or you know
they saw ten beats up. Here's the

458
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,839
thing. I feel like, definitely
more than ever, you're going to start

459
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:32,480
seeing a lot more of this stuff. I don't know what the media's agenda

460
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,519
is. I don't mean to sound
really conspiratorial here, but it seems like

461
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:38,799
there's this thing right now where they're
really trying to slowly push their narrative that

462
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,880
UFOs are here and that they're going
to start having more sightings and that,

463
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,079
you know. So I don't know
if that's legitimate. I don't know if

464
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,400
that's just my own thinking, but
it kind of it kind of appears that

465
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,000
way because it's now it's like every
sense you had the whole you know,

466
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,960
the Pentagon's releasing information with the UFOs
here all this whole time, and it's

467
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,160
like it's almost like they're kind of
slowly warming the pupp gearing us up to

468
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,319
sing yeah, yeah, yet to
what. I don't think anybody knows yet.

469
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,400
So, you know, it's hard
to say, and I'm saying that

470
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,759
because like that's just how they're kind
of approaching it. But at the same

471
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,319
time a lot of people are also
saying, you know, it could be

472
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,640
a meteor, could be this.
But then you have, Like you're saying

473
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,559
a lot of people who are like, hey, I legit saw ten foot

474
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:22,160
tall like alien being like like,
you can't, that's not a meteor.

475
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,359
How do you make that up?
Yeah, you know, I know.

476
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:29,799
But the fact that it's becoming more
mainstream is definitely I would definitely say it's

477
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:33,799
frightening because that, you know,
whereas like twenty years ago, it wouldn't

478
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,079
have it would have been quickly swept
into the rug. But it's like the

479
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,279
fact that they're like making it mainstream
means that they're definitely trying to condition and

480
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:41,680
warm warm society to the idea of
it. It's that way when something big

481
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,640
happens to maybe, like I don't
know, even when they come out and

482
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,079
say, hey, we've been here
this whole time, where your gods,

483
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:51,119
now ever ever religion you've ever established
is wrong, we're the right way to

484
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,119
mean that. That seems like how
you would pave the way to that if

485
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:56,559
that's hate, it could be wrong. You know, I'm not claiming that's

486
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,519
what it is, but who knows, you know, I don't know,

487
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,559
But to kind of like go directly
back to what you're talking about specifically,

488
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,400
I definitely know that like Las Vegas, Arizona, New Mexico. That there's

489
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,960
especially California, like Los Angeles.
Southern California is a huge hotbed for u

490
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:18,480
at bow and just light anomalies,
seeing grays abductions. There's also cattle mutilation.

491
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,079
That area is just a hotbed for
it, all the way down to

492
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,319
like Western Texas. I'm not sure
why. I know people talk about the

493
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:29,640
dumbs, the deep underground military bases. They're like dulcie paraphyt one. I

494
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,720
don't know how much the connection that
has with the amount of accountslor is.

495
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:37,480
But I can't say this as something's
going on, something strange is happening,

496
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,319
hell, which you've been investigating and
researching this stuff. I don't know if

497
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,079
I would say investigating and researching,
but yeah, because when I think that,

498
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,799
I think like guys who do it
like really seriously, they're they're doing

499
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,759
all day every day. I mean
it's more of like like a passionate hobby

500
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,960
of mine, like looking to this
stuff, probably since like twenty fourteen,

501
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:02,000
twenty fifteen, like it's I kind
of got I can actually remember it vividly.

502
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:03,039
This is back in twenty thirteen.
I was I was on the bus

503
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:07,279
ride home from a place that I
was interning out at the time, and

504
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,799
I don't remember why, but I
was like, I just want to like

505
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,240
read like Bigfoot stories, like Bigfoot
accounts, and I remember I had just

506
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,920
like when I kind of first hop
hopped on the BFR and just start reading

507
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,799
account and then that would further evolve
into um, looking at like Dogman Encounters

508
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,279
and kind of listening to those podcasts, and it would just kept like evolving

509
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,799
and to the next thing and like
listening to more stuff and like researching this,

510
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,559
and somehow it would have be till
twenty eighteen. Then I started like

511
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,880
narrating stories and then from there it
kind of just evolved into me kind of

512
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,720
doing my own show what I do
now. And then um, I realized

513
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,440
at a certain point once I had
some like income coming in from and I'm

514
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,720
like, you know, I need
help. I can't because I was spending

515
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:45,880
like all day like researching some of
the stuff, and I'm like, I

516
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720
need I need people to I need
to kind of I need to expand it

517
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,640
a team here, and so I
was fortunate to get a few good people

518
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,720
who can like now do a lot
of this research for me and then of

519
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,319
course, now I have access to
to like really good people. So uh,

520
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,319
for example, like if anybody out
there knows about Mysterious Universe, they're

521
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:06,519
a great resource, great website.
Josh Cutchin, he doesn't write for them,

522
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,519
but he's a really good author.
I have him on my team.

523
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:12,599
Brett Swansor, who I'm like working
on and off with. He actually writes

524
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,200
from Mysterious Universe. Really educated guy, great dude, really smart, just

525
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:19,960
knows a lot of stuff. He's
like one of their main writers. He

526
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,240
also does some stuff for me now. And so really I feel like the

527
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,240
amount of things I can cover and
what I can talk about greatly help because

528
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,599
I have people who are very intelligent, very their feet are very wet in

529
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,680
this field, so they know a
lot of things, and so then kind

530
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,640
of already helped use their knowledge to
kind of help mold and shape like what

531
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,599
we can talk about versus just me
how to do every little bit of thing,

532
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,680
because you know, a lot of
times I'll do stuff and people like,

533
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,079
oh, you know you missed this, this and this and this I

534
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,519
did. What do you? I
can't cover a thing up through, Yeah,

535
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,319
so just take it for what it
is. Come on, I think

536
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:56,319
the answers your question right, Yes, I want to make sure answer yeah,

537
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,000
yes, I still try and like
research and like we'll at this stuff

538
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:01,119
even all my off time. EF
I'm just like looking around. It's like

539
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,720
an episode because for my episodes,
I'd love to be able to tell a

540
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:09,000
story, but then also integrate that
account or story of like someone's past experience

541
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,200
along with like information, so like
things that had gone on, like say

542
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,880
like it's like the wind to go
or I don't say the Batman, but

543
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,519
like the bat squash or something right, So that way they have not just

544
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,319
an encounter, but they also have
information that goes along with it. So

545
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,400
I feel like that's huge and so
yeah, you do, you do kind

546
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,559
of gotta to do some digging.
And unfortunately, I said, in our

547
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:30,519
field, there's not like books,
Well there's books on the step, but

548
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:36,240
there's not like an encyclopedia of cryptozoology
where you can look back and see every

549
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,000
little thing and threw as somebody should
please let me know about it. Yeah,

550
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,279
tell you got it, tell you
a lot found you. That's how

551
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:50,720
I've found you. I had to
do my own wife. Yeah, are

552
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,880
you talking to your book about sea
monsters? For real. I've I've heard

553
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,640
of lackness monster and shamp from like
Champlain, but what other ones are there?

554
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:00,640
Oh? Sema, oh this is
This is probably one of my favorite

555
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,960
topics, not because Billy I want
it because the topic of things loving in

556
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,920
the ocean are just downright terrifying.
So this is a really not to be

557
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,680
punny, but this is a really
big Lisa wise because God, Mike,

558
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,839
we can be we can talk about
this for a while. I'm just trying

559
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,559
to think where to start. So
obviously, like we had to Leviathan,

560
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,480
right, and it's talked about in
the Bible. We don't know what that

561
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:30,559
is, that that's its own thing, that's supposedly that this huge see entity

562
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,839
that lives. But I'm not going
to go into the biblical part of it

563
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,359
is because that could again, that
could be its own thing. But people

564
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,279
do do you talk about sea serpents
and we're talking about things that aren't just

565
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:44,680
like wharfish. We're talking about legitimate
like serpents, snakes, um. In

566
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,400
fact, I just did a video
recently carrying the captain's name, but it

567
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,240
was back from the late eighteen hundreds
early nineteen hundreds, and he was out

568
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,359
off the coast of Brazil. I
want to say it was and a huge

569
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,960
core reef see us. So there's
a lot of food. And he witnessed

570
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:00,839
two of these things, probably about
you know, one hundred feet in length,

571
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,559
probably about eight and eight feet in
diameter, I believe I have that

572
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,440
right, maybe eight inches, probably
closer to maybe three four feet, I

573
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,559
don't know. Anyway, he sought
wrapped coiled around a sperm whale taking it

574
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,440
down. So it's like you just
you have things like that. You know,

575
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,280
there's other things like the murf folk. I wouldn't say mermaids because that

576
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:22,519
pain say Disney picture in your head, but humanoids. There's a lot of

577
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,480
tribes to talk about it, a
lot of stories not just from like American

578
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:29,519
but tribes around the world. There's
a few stories from Greece where people have

579
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:34,400
seen these things. In fact,
i'm actually editing a video today that I

580
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,239
shot the other day. There's actually
a couple of USSR divers who were in

581
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,960
the Black Sea, in the Arabian
Sea. They've seen some weird stuff.

582
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,280
And actually I'll say this because it's
fresh in my head, because I just

583
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,719
did it. Because back in the
nineteen eighties there is a group of five

584
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,719
I want to see either Ukrainian or
USSR divers, and they were in the

585
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,880
Black Sea and they noticed this strange
like Hube like structure on the floor,

586
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,119
and so they go down to like
investigate it, and they hear the strange

587
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:05,559
voice reverberating all throughout the water says, don't do that, don't do that,

588
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,760
and they're like, what the heck? And I can't remember if this

589
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,199
is because there's several of these stories
and I can't he if this is the

590
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:14,320
one where they go to touch it
and all of a sudden, things around

591
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,400
them turn to like an ancient Greek
like structure, like like ruins, and

592
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,159
they see these tall humanoids prob about
three meters in length, wearing these silver

593
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,639
tight body suits. There's another account
of them almost doing something similar where they

594
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,320
see these humanoids swimming in the water. They go to chase after them,

595
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,480
and they claim they are approximately one
hundred and sixty four feet down. They

596
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:39,039
go to try and capture them.
These humanoid beings retaliate and then they use

597
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:44,239
some sort of like forced mechanisms,
some sort of weapon that actually pushes them

598
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,760
so far so fast upward. They
actually three of them died from decompression sickness.

599
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,440
Oh wow, you're being forcefully pushed
up. I mean, gosh,

600
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:59,840
there's so many. There's another dude. He was in Finland. He trying

601
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,119
where this was. It was at
bay. He found this like strange cucumber

602
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:06,639
like object. He went to go
retrieve it. He couldn't get it open.

603
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:08,199
He couldn't pull up with his car
like with eleven, so he used

604
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:12,840
a pneumatic drill. It cracked open. There's a bubble with the strange like

605
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,599
white thing in it. He didn't
know what it was, but it actually

606
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,079
lashed at him, clad him.
He faints, He gets a blob.

607
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,840
Yeah, there's so many like these, like little stories here and there,

608
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,840
and it's just like there's one of
an of an East Indian man who was

609
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,679
working on an oil rig. This
is I want to stay back on the

610
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,760
early two thousands. This one,
there's not a whole lot of information on.

611
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,239
But he was probably two hundred feet
down and he saw this really large

612
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,199
block. He descried his black shark
come near him to kind of check him

613
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,159
out, and it was it was
curious, but he said it was the

614
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:45,480
largest shark he's ever seen. He
has admitted it to be and where probably

615
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:50,599
between fifty to sixty feet It was
jet black. He said he was terrified,

616
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,199
and the only lights down there are
two hundred feet were from like the

617
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,400
glow of his work lights. So
I mean, like the area is like

618
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:59,440
loosely illuminated, but it's not like
it's brimming bright daylight, you know.

619
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,360
I believe it was in the evening
time, so it was dark, so

620
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,360
it's not like there's a lot of
light. But he could see this thing.

621
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,559
He just checking them out and then
eventually lost interest. But there's stuff

622
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:10,719
in the ocean that we just don't
know all that. I'm trying to give

623
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,559
you guys the digest version. But
there's just people report all sorts of things.

624
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:20,719
I mean, just from like the
mermaid murfolk thing to I don't say

625
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,159
the let Viathan, but to like
large serpentine like creatures, the ones I've

626
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:29,440
actually not heard of. I don't
think I've heard of any stories of,

627
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,239
like people saying a messosaur. And
for those of you that don't know,

628
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:37,480
messosaurs are like the aquatic crocodile,
crocodilian looking things, right, everyone everyone

629
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,800
knows the plus asaur, you know, like the Loch nest, but yeah,

630
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,559
and you don't really see the mostosaur
one. There was a story I

631
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:46,960
want to say, from the thirties
or forties had to do with a battleship

632
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,519
shooting another ship, I want to
say, and then in the explosion of

633
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:55,800
the enemy ship they see this giant
like fifty foot long, like amphibian,

634
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,960
reptilian, crocodilian, whatever was flyf
into the air and then land back down

635
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,239
the water. The entire crew saw
it. What do you make of it?

636
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,119
Nobody knows. I don't have any
stories of like, you know,

637
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,239
the crack and taking down a submary, nothing like that. Just just stay

638
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,960
like, there's things in the water
we don't you know, we don't understand,

639
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:15,719
and then oh, go ahead,
go ahead. The ocean is so

640
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:24,119
vast and so massive that who's to
say that these prehistoric dinosaurs didn't survive some

641
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:29,639
of them anyway, and are living
at the bottom of the ocean in caverns

642
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,400
and come up every so often.
I mean, I can see that being

643
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,360
a possibility. I mean, even
still today you hear about people discovering different

644
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:45,360
creatures that we've never known before in
jungles that have never been visited beyond recent

645
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:51,760
You know what, I mean time. Well to piggyback off that I people

646
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,599
might think I'm crazy, but I
kind of really bind the idea that megalodon

647
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,360
could still exist. And the reason
why is because if you go down to

648
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,360
South after they found some strange stuff. So for example, they've found carcasses

649
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,400
of whales washed up on short,
humongous bites taken out of them. Nobody

650
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,519
knows what that's about. And people
will say, well, that's just a

651
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:14,360
woff incident. Well here's the gig. You gotta follow the food chain.

652
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,280
What do sharks like to eat?
Seals? And guess we're a lot of

653
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,800
seals gathered or time of year South
Africa. I want to say, I

654
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,400
remember someone who's very educated on this
would know exactly what I'm talking about,

655
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,679
But I can't remember. If there's
an island or if there's a peace land.

656
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,800
There's there's something in South Africa where
some time a year, like a

657
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,440
lot of seals gather and it's the
food. You're right, you migrate.

658
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:40,639
So megalodons assumingly exist. They they
migrate, they follow where the food is.

659
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,519
For anyone who says it's impossible they
can exist, I think that's nonsense.

660
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,199
There's so much room for them to
hide and some much room for them

661
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:51,480
to stay low. I mean,
look, we didn't even rediscover the call.

662
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:54,360
I believe colon can't, right,
goal it can't. It's like that

663
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,960
this supposed prehistoric fish and like what
the last ten etine years, Well they

664
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,679
were at state welcome. They weren'
found until recently. So it's like exactly,

665
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,199
yeah, yeah. What I was
gonna say is that people say,

666
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:08,639
well there's not enough food, Like
there's whales, you know, and when

667
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:14,159
you're seeing whales wash up on short
massive chunks taken out of them, you

668
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:19,079
know you wonder. I just can't
bind to the idea that the largest shark

669
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,360
there is that we found it is
a great white shark. I mean you

670
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,679
think, what when the last seven
like, well when did we when we

671
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,719
when did we really start like diving
in the ocean and like looking like really

672
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,159
taking marine biology seriously in terms of
like exploring and like noting species. What

673
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,480
maybe the last one hundred years where
we could actually dive into the water interrect

674
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,039
really see, we don't know nothing. So I feel like people who claim

675
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:45,679
that Meigleton can't exist doesn't exist,
I think that's extremely foolish. I think

676
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:49,199
it's extremely naive. We don't know. I can't claim it does because I

677
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:51,880
don't know, but I'm just assuming
that if it would, it would definitely

678
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,000
migrate to where the food is.
And sure enough, that's what I'm saying.

679
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,480
You're seeing the whale carcasses wash up
in that area where where the seals

680
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,199
are, where there's plenty of food, and I think there's another time of

681
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,639
year whether they go somewhere elseide and
exactly know the migratory patterns. But sharks,

682
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:07,760
we already know. Sharks are migratory
anyway. They're very intelligent. They

683
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,199
follower that food is. They don't
just stay in one area and hang out.

684
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:14,559
And so if you're if you really
are talking about a fifty to sixty

685
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,280
foot if not bigger predator, it's
not going to be up at the surface.

686
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:22,599
Plus I've also heard many stories from
military personnel of them seeing large fins

687
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:27,920
breaking the water. Black fins,
mind you, black because that kind of

688
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,199
goes along with what the account I
was telling you about. That's far larger

689
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:35,000
than any great white, which is
strange. And so that's kind of what

690
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:37,800
happens in this field, right.
You kind of like get so many anecdotal

691
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,119
stories and things here and historical things
there. Hey, you start to notice

692
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,800
these similar things going on, so
you start like kind of drawing strings all

693
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,039
over the places. You're like,
oh, well that matches this description here,

694
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,960
and this here and here and this
and then this kind did this here,

695
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,719
and you're like, oh my gosh, there's there's like this like web

696
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:54,199
right where everything's kind of interconnected somehow, and it kind of just helps up

697
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:59,719
bring authenticity to I guess what you're
looking at, what you're discovering. Discover

698
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,559
me Maybe that's not the right word, but you know, investigating I should

699
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:04,639
say. I don't want to say
it proves anything, but you're like,

700
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:06,840
well, that's definitely weird. If
like, you know, six different people

701
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,000
under this like one hundred and fifty
year time span reports things to something similar

702
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,840
in the same area, you know, it's like and none of them know

703
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,519
what it is. None of them
claimed to know what it is. Think,

704
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:19,599
yeah, it's there's just weird stuff, you know. I know that

705
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,760
they were a military personnel. It
was like off the coast of Australia who

706
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:28,639
reported seeing these massive, massive man
of war like things. But that's that's

707
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,920
all they are, you know,
unfortunate. There's no pictures, they're just

708
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,320
anecdotal stories. So it's like,
right, my thing is always tell everybody

709
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,760
listen, I just present information,
you know, right through what you will,

710
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,199
because like we don't know how much
is fabricated, how much is exaggerated.

711
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,639
And I know one big thing that
people come at with is like,

712
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,639
well, how do you very you
know, like, how can you verify?

713
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,480
You can't verify, that's right,
arify any of this stuff. So

714
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,920
really it's just take it as is. And I know people get really offended

715
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,320
at the whole what will take people's
things with a grain of salt, But

716
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,920
you know, you kind of have
to because if you have saying then then

717
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,960
then you're gullible naive. But if
you if you if you choose to shut

718
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,760
out everything, I feel like that's
just as bad. So it's like you've

719
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,400
got to be open minded, but
gotta he just got you know, take

720
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,400
things with the grain of salt,
like, Okay, well you know that

721
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,480
that's very interesting. It true,
it could mean this, but you know

722
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:22,960
it's also could also be false.
I think that's what what makes our field

723
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,679
the whole supernatural paranormal forty in cryptosology, So interesting. On another note,

724
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,159
I'm a I'm a paranormal investigator,
and so when people will ask me,

725
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:35,280
well, you know, what's your
proof, like you can leave me or

726
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,840
not. I know what I've experienced
and I'm sharing it with you. Take

727
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,199
it for what it's worth. I'm
not trying to convince anybody. That's how

728
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,320
I kind of leave it. Yeah, It's it's like NDEs, right,

729
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,880
A lot of people like they don't
exist while human thousands of people who have

730
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,480
an end, who have had an
NDE, they can't describe, like what

731
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:57,000
you're doing, they can't describe.
They go like, listen, like I've

732
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,519
had this experience. I don't have
any proof. I don't need proof like

733
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,960
I believe. Yeah, you know, And that's hard, you know,

734
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,079
because you're dealing in a realm where
it's like science can't tread because there's not

735
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:09,480
enough date. You have no way
to measure the data, you have no

736
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:13,079
way to capture the data. So
how do you? But I also feel

737
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:15,960
like solely relying on science it is
wrong too, because not everything is quantifiable,

738
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,719
not everything is capturable or recordable.
Exactly. Saying that would be putting

739
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,800
life in a box to where everything
can be captured. It really can't.

740
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,400
There's a lot of things we don't
understand. There's a lot of anomalies we

741
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,840
can't understand. And I know mankind
and our arrogance tries to think that we

742
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,360
know everything and tries to box everything. Well, that can't be lord for

743
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,559
a driculous and then they'd come to
find out, oh, yeah, we

744
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,719
were wrong. You know. It's
just so like going back to the paranormal

745
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,800
thing. Yeah, people are like, well you viewed the voice. I'm

746
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,800
like, well, just that there
is different electro backnanticism, that's not the

747
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:52,440
right word, and an electromagnetic waves
and stuff. When you have when I

748
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,440
say entity sums that there is changes
in the room, like you can feel

749
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:59,199
that, Like how do you how
do you? How would you document that?

750
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,800
Like where's the scien that you don't
know? But if you go to

751
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,440
a room where there's something that you
can feel it, you know there's something

752
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:07,800
in there. There's a presence that
there's a shift in temperature. There's also

753
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,480
if you look a lot of different
thing going on, it's not just one

754
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:13,000
thing, it's a whole bunch of
different things. If there are a lot

755
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,159
of people that are sensitive to spirit
one's experiencing this and that the other.

756
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,480
There's got to be something going on. And then when you start catching data

757
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,079
and footage in one way of shape
or another, it's kind of undeniable that

758
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,800
something has transpired. That's why they're
animalists, because it's like, we don't

759
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,519
have we don't have the devices to
capture this yet. One thing I think

760
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:35,159
about with what they call spirits or
whatever you want to call it, it's

761
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,480
energy, it's frequency, it's it's
something because like even the evs, I

762
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:40,199
don't know exactly how they work what
they do. They pick up on the

763
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,079
frequency like a change your free and
educate me here on it. But I

764
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:45,440
know that's the gist, right,
They pick up on some sort of electrical

765
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:50,239
wave that there is a ship,
there's something different, there's something. Are

766
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,000
you talking about the K two's or
where we have recordings on audio recorders?

767
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:57,360
Do you talking like the EVPs?
Is that what you're talking about? Is

768
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,800
there are a bunch of different ways
you can catch I know, I apologized,

769
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:07,199
everybody sound really ignorant with hey,
but um, I guess there's multiple

770
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,719
right you have you have the is
it called like a ghost box? I

771
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:15,280
know you have those there are multiple
devices that are out there that people use.

772
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,199
We like to use the traditional methods
of interconnection with them. On my

773
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,760
particular team, we do use audio
records because we want to try and catch

774
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,960
voices. Yes, we do use
cameras to take pictures, of course,

775
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,079
but as far as communication is,
a lot of them use their own sensitivity

776
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,880
and I'm not nearly as gifted as
some of the people on my team,

777
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,079
so I'll use like dowsing rods and
appendant to try and get responses in yes

778
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:42,159
or no. But it's kind of
like everybody together. They're utilizing what they

779
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,280
have, whatever gifts they have to
get some sort of fluttered. So we

780
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,800
do get photographs. Who do get
audio audio is I think great, because

781
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:52,840
especially if you're a bunch of women
in a room and you get a male

782
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,440
voice, then it's kind of like
where the heck did that come from?

783
00:46:54,519 --> 00:47:00,559
And some of them are just clear
audible, it's like, oh my god,

784
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:04,840
and they responded to a question that
we proposed, So that makes it

785
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,719
even more exciting when something happens.
And if this is all pseudoscience and it

786
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,280
doesn't exist, then like people like
uting yourselves and of course many people who

787
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,360
do you know EVP sessions. And
I don't want to use the word ghost

788
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,760
hunting because that makes it sound silly. But people who actually thoroughly explore these

789
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,920
cases in these locations, they all
have the same like you're saying, babies,

790
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,320
dallsing rods, these all these things
that can actually like, hey,

791
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,679
like we're there is a there's something
going on in this area, this room

792
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,360
that's building, whatever is that that
is abnormal to what the signals that we're

793
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,679
getting somewhere else? How do you
explain that? Right? And there's now

794
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,679
something going on? Now, what
if I have actually a little story that

795
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,760
I think you might be interested in? So my dad, I'm not going

796
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,639
to go there because the whole story
is very long, but I'll give you

797
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,920
the part of it. Back in
the seventies, he was living in Colorado

798
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,719
with his girlfriend and he saw in
this late night show that he was talking

799
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,400
to one of the guys was talking
about you could actually communicate with spirits using

800
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,719
a taper quarter This was back in
the seventies, so you couldn't the tape

801
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,480
recorders you had then you had to
actually plug it an external microphone. He

802
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,280
probably what I'm talking about in in
case we will doubt it's one of the

803
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,599
alas. I don't know why exactly
what it is, but stayed to buy.

804
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:15,400
You like the tape, you put
it in and if you just hit

805
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:19,760
record, nothing will happen because there's
no input. Well, the guy in

806
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,159
the show was saying that if you
go to a graveyard hit record, it'll

807
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:23,760
pick up high in frequencies, and
then I was like, oh, that's

808
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,079
cool, we should go do that. But he didn't go to a graveyard.

809
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,679
He did it in his own house
where he'd already had some root stuff

810
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,840
going on. So long story short, him his friends go over that they

811
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:37,360
he pulls out a new, brand
new TDK tape cassette still in the thing,

812
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,280
unpacks in front of everyone to show
that it is a brand new tape.

813
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,400
There's something on it, sticks it
in boom hits record, there's no

814
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,519
microphone. They're sitting around for about
ten twelve fifteen minutes joking around or if

815
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:52,000
there's any spirits ooh, thinking the
whole things just ridiculous. They go to

816
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,719
play it back and what my dad
describes was at Jimmy Hendricks Real played in

817
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,159
reverse along with all sorts of like
crazy screaming to my noises, and he

818
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,480
said him and his four or five
friends, grown men, were you know,

819
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,599
pardon my French, but scared shitless. They're huddling, they're shaking because

820
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:15,840
right, what the hell is on
the tape? Yeah, like like right,

821
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,480
oh no, you know. So
it's like, you know, and

822
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:22,239
so even he goes around to his
work at the time and he showed everybody

823
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,320
this tape. He's like, what's
what is this? Nobody can figure it

824
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,800
out. M yeah, we didn't
mess with it. He didn't anything.

825
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,159
You could just press record, you
know what. We don't even look for

826
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:38,039
answers. He don't. He really
doesn't have answers to that, that that's

827
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:43,800
beyond And it's a shame that the
majority of people would laugh that off.

828
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,639
That they're like, oh well they
can't. Probably, it's just like it's

829
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:51,639
our brains can't comprehend something, so
our first instinct is to deny its existence.

830
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:53,719
It's very angry, strange, even
like he thinking about humans or that

831
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,480
way, even about death. We
all know death is coming at some point

832
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,039
or another, but you don't.
It's almost like you deny that that it

833
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:00,760
happens, right, you don't think
about it. You're like, I don't

834
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,519
I don't want to. I don't
want to go there. Right, it's

835
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:07,159
almost like am it's a defense mechanism
of the brain, almost where it's like

836
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:12,199
you can't you can't even fathom such
an ideas and it scares you. I

837
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,920
think I think that idea of frightens
the most, not just death, but

838
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:16,760
all things that are going on.
It frightens people so much. It's just

839
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,480
easier to deny it it exists.
You're like, God, that's just nonsense.

840
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,960
I'm not We're going to entertain it's
nonsense. Yeah, because it scares

841
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,440
you. If you knew it was
real, you'd have to accept it.

842
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,400
I think that's where a lot of
people in the paranormal cryptos zo a logical

843
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,920
field are. We're like, listen, there's stuff happening. We can't explain

844
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,800
it, but it's yeah, it's
incredibly frightening. But here we are.

845
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,119
Well, you wrote volume one.
Does that mean there's going to be a

846
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,400
volume two at some point? Yeah. I talked to my publisher and we

847
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,119
were planning initially on May as in
like May, a month or two ago.

848
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,039
But uh, I don't just want
to fill a book full of stories

849
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,320
to throw it out there. I
want to make sure that it's good,

850
00:50:55,679 --> 00:51:00,360
and I want to make sure that
you know it's I'm trying to the right

851
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,360
word here. I don't want to
say entertainment's on the right word, but

852
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,119
I want to make sure that the
stories are definitely to get it right.

853
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,199
Yeah, I really want to go
through a hand because, I mean the

854
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:12,119
first one I kind of had to
go back through and pick, you know,

855
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,920
a handpick through a lot of different
things, and it's kind of an

856
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,960
amalgamation of a lot of different stories, and I would, well, I

857
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,199
would kind of like to repeat that
going into volume two. Be I've definitely

858
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,320
like like to be have a little
more like nuance with each story. Pick

859
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,599
accounts that stand out a more.
In the first one, there's definitely accounts

860
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,000
that are similar, and I had
such a huge library to choose from.

861
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:35,199
I know, people say, why
do you just do that again? I

862
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,079
mean I could. It's just a
really amount of time. Time is really

863
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:40,239
difficult, especially when you have a
podcast or YouTube channel. I mean,

864
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,079
it's rough to try and keep up
with it and normal every day life.

865
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,079
But if you do get around to
volume two, let me know, want

866
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:51,400
to have you back on the show. I'll hope you promote that tell the

867
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,599
listen this way they can find you
and your books and anything about you.

868
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,280
Yeah. So you can find my
book anywhere on Amazon. I don't know

869
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,840
if it's on any other publishing plot
I'm sure it is, but yeah,

870
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,760
check it on Amazon. It's called
The Big Book of Monsters by Josh Ninocchio,

871
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,639
Volume one. And if you want
to find my contact, just go

872
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,599
on YouTube and look for what lurks
Beneath? What lurks beneath, it'll be

873
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,760
my little face or with the little
red or it's red colored whatever you'll find

874
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,800
it. Then I cover everything from
strange, mysterious, dark and weird and

875
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,320
storytelling format. So I love that
title. Love that title. Well,

876
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,000
thank you so much for joining me. This is a great conversation. I

877
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:31,320
really enjoyed it. Yes, it's
a pleasure. And listeners. If you

878
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,519
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879
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880
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881
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,199
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882
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,800
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883
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884
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:59,519
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887
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888
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889
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890
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892
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893
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:49,639
enthusiasts for tuning in today. I
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894
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,440
tap into your own gifts. Everyone
has them, and in the meantime,

895
00:53:53,960 --> 00:54:09,400
make sure you're creeping it real,
opening down our past dams. Doesn't doubt

896
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,880
that always lined out to see he
doesn't die. The best, don't doubt,

897
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:16,679
but the stuffin't stop stop st