1 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:19,559 Welcome back everyone to a new episode. If you were wrong with Molly Hemingway 2 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,199 and David Harsani, just a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, 3 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,079 please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd love to 4 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,239 hear from you. So for the second week week in a row, Molly, 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,880 I have usually take notes on what we're going to talk about. Sometimes 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,600 it's a bit of a stretch. I don't know what we're going to talk 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,960 about now. I lost track of all the things we needed to talk about. 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,000 So I think it's going to be a bit of a free wheeling one. 9 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:46,200 But maybe we should start with the news of you know, the president 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,479 almost being killed by an assassin. So can you tell me, like, 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:56,600 where you were when you got the news. I was just I'm where I 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,520 always. I was home, No, you know, actually I was out. 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,840 I was on my way to ride my bike actually, and I saw 14 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,760 some some like chatter going on about something, and I just assumed it was 15 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:10,480 the usual hysterical nothing going on, and then found out that it was actually 16 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,920 something quite quite momentous and in a weird way. When you you know, 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,040 I lived through nine to eleven all this stuff, and so did you you 18 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:22,120 know, like you know, it's hard to sort of grasp at the time 19 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:26,319 what's going on or but this is a major historical event, right, I 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,799 mean, this is the last time the president was shot. Was you know, 21 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,439 I was a little boy, you know what I mean. It's it's 22 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:36,959 it's something, really, that picture's iconic. I guess we'll talk about that 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,040 and everything. I don't even know where to start with this, I guess 24 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,239 I because just when you said the little boy thing, it reminds me that 25 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,959 I remember the day that Reagan was shot. I was young, like in 26 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:55,840 kinderk his first grade, and I went to a Lutheran school that was across 27 00:01:55,879 --> 00:02:00,799 the street from my from the personage where my dead, you know, my 28 00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:07,319 dad's pastor, and the principal of the school asked me to run home get 29 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:10,639 an update, and then run back and give him the update. And I 30 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:15,080 kept doing it like three times. And I always think of it as my 31 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:20,800 first reporting assignment, even though I was just like going home watching TV and 32 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,000 coming back and saying it. But I always wonder if that like shaped what 33 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,759 I became. That's interesting. It is weird, isn't it, how quickly 34 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,800 things we know about things now in the old days, like it was a 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,000 word of mouth, someone had to come tell you. It's not like you 36 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:37,479 had constant you didn't have your phone right there, no phone, no, 37 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,240 not even the TV. You know, there was no I mean maybe there 38 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,400 were CNM, but not a lot of people had it. There was no 39 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:45,840 twenty four hour news. Basically for listening to the radio, they broke in 40 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:47,240 and told you, and then you would tell other people. So it was 41 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:52,840 really a very different environment. Yeah. Oh, Mark told me he saw 42 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:55,759 this tweet about how someone wished there were a podcast that gave news in real 43 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,240 time during breaking news, and someone was like, radio, You've just described 44 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:06,639 radio. Okay, if I can do my I know it's not the most 45 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,479 important thing. But where I was I was. I think it's interesting because 46 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,840 I was at this Lutheran conference called Issues et cetera. It's the podcast that 47 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,520 I was talking about, which is so fun. I will have you know 48 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:27,599 that I was bombarded with compliments for David Hersani at this conference. I mean, 49 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,120 everybody loves you. Mark and I were just getting a kick out of 50 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,080 it because people just kept up, kept coming up to us and telling us 51 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:38,879 how much they absolutely love David Hersani. So I love it, thank you 52 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:40,719 very much. I just doesn't feel like it out there these days, but 53 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:45,919 I thank you for anyone who said that to you. But we were at 54 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:50,919 a dinner break at this conference and someone came up and said President Trump has 55 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,120 been shot, and I just couldn't believe it. And then a bunch of 56 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:58,520 other people also came up. But we were about to do divine service, 57 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:04,120 which you know, our our service with communion and everything. So I just 58 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:09,360 kind of made a decision. I'm gonna I'm just gonna go to church, 59 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,639 hear the sermon, pray, receive the sacrament, and then I will kind 60 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,160 of figure out what's going on. I'm glad I did. And we had 61 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:24,000 beautiful prayers, both like generic prayers for protection from people who wish harm and 62 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:29,800 then specifically for President Trump. And I will say I almost felt like I 63 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,199 was in a bit of shock for a while about it. I couldn't believe 64 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:38,600 I've been technically predicting something like this for at least you know, the earliest 65 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:43,399 I can remember doing it is December twenty twenty three. I warned that the 66 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,959 left seemed to be engaged in assassination prep. And when I said it, 67 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,639 I got a lot of feedback from people who agreed, and so I'm not 68 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,720 totally shocked, but I kind of felt like I was in shock after it. 69 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:58,279 I just couldn't believe. And then everything that we found out about it 70 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:01,560 since then has made it more horrified. Right. I think you probably agree, 71 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,920 or we've probably spoken about this. When events happen, we usually give 72 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,120 it a little breathing room before, you know, to find out what happened 73 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,040 before you know. Everyone always these days on social media jump to conclusions. 74 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:16,040 But I think that no matter I initially thought to myself, no matter what 75 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:20,519 we learn, it is clear that the rhetoric, if you keep telling people 76 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,519 that someone is hitler, they're going to start believing you at some point. 77 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,040 And maybe it's just alone or crazy who might believe you, but someone's going 78 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,480 to believe you. Do you know what I'm saying, Like you're I don't 79 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,240 know if it's an assassination prep or not, I'm you know whatever. I 80 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,480 didn't want to get into that, but I do want to say that people 81 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,439 who tell me that rhetoric has nothing to do with it because the guy is 82 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,959 a Republican or the guy doesn't have any kind of coherent political outlook. That's 83 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,879 not really the point of it all. And anyway, so that was my 84 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,120 first thought. I'm like, you keep calling someone hitler. Someone's going to 85 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,639 try to take out Hitler. I would want if it was really Hitler, 86 00:05:55,639 --> 00:05:59,279 I would want to take out Hitler, you know. And so I was 87 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:01,879 bothered by that. Let's talk to talk about the moment though, and how 88 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:05,199 Trump reacted. I know, like people have been talking about this all week, 89 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,639 but I think it was I'm not a fan of Donald Trump, you 90 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:12,480 know, I always say it, but there's no way anyone watching that couldn't 91 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:16,720 be impressed by his poise and the way he reacted. I assume you agree 92 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:21,800 with that. I just can't stop thinking about it. And my husband, 93 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:28,399 who's more like you on this, was saying that what struck him is that 94 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,120 one of the big complaints about Donald Trump is that like he's a coward, 95 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:39,279 you know, he's a selfish coward. And to see how he handled that 96 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:44,879 moment at a time when almost I mean possibly like everyone I know, almost 97 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,800 everyone I know would have been absolutely losing it, and that he had this 98 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:55,240 presence of mind to reassure the country, reassure the crowd, like Mark was 99 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,759 saying that he thinks that the behavior he showed in the immediate aftermath probably saved 100 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,480 lives, both in terms of the panic of the crowd, but also preventing 101 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:15,519 riots or other horrific response or other bad response. It was he really rose 102 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,399 to the moment. He showed courage and the kind of courage that very few 103 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:27,800 other humans would be able to show in that moment. Yeah, I think 104 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,160 that's right. I think he understand I'm not saying this, you know a 105 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,360 lot. I'm not saying this in a negative way, but he is a 106 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:40,519 showman and he understands moments, and you know, he understood that moment right 107 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,000 away, you know, instinctively humped his fist. Told the Secret Service story. 108 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,720 There would have been nothing wrong with him just running off the stage with 109 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,079 them, because that's what politicians do. We now know what was going on, 110 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,480 but he has no clue. They could be second gunman. You have 111 00:07:55,519 --> 00:08:00,360 no idea in the moment what's going on, and so how he you know, 112 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,600 I have you know, I have nothing praise for him for that moment. 113 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,639 I think it was it was an iconic and people over use that word, 114 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,160 but I think that's an iconic moment, and then all sorts of things 115 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:15,360 related to that, the American flag in the background, the blue sky, 116 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,720 the fist, the blood streaming down the face, the providence. And I 117 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:22,480 don't believe in providence, but the providence involved with him not getting his head 118 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:26,879 blown off is just we're talking millimeters here, so that is, you know, 119 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,000 it's definitely pushed me maybe a millimeter over in that direction. Well do 120 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:37,559 you remember those stories about George Washington's army being able to get out of New 121 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,840 York because of a mysterious fog that protected them. Oh yeah, yeah, 122 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:45,080 yeah, yeah, that's kind of what it felt like. It was, 123 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,039 Okay, we never get fog. We're getting fogg. Now it's going to 124 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:54,399 protect the Continental Army. It was. It's just something I just keep thinking 125 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:01,600 about in camp. Yeah. I don't know, all right, so let's 126 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:07,039 talk. I mean, as you know, I'm very resistant. I try 127 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:11,240 to beat to any kind of conspiratorial thinking about stuff. We have a big 128 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:16,399 problem here because the Secret Service, like virtually every other organization in government and 129 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:22,240 institution in American life, sucks at their job. No one has been fired 130 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,600 yet, no one has taken responsibility really yet. That is the director who 131 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,519 didn't resign, says that she took she takes responsibility, and by taking responsibility, 132 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:37,879 she's doing nothing, and that's how you know she's taken responsibility. Today 133 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:43,519 she said that Secret Service people did not go on the sloping roof that's my 134 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,919 yards away from the president because it's kind of a dangerous place for Secret Service 135 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,279 agent to be. And I'm like, that can't be right. That has 136 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,559 to be out of context. No one would say that, And yeah, 137 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,720 she did, that was her excuse. Meanwhile, the snipers were on a 138 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:07,600 slope being rufe who took out the assassin. Right, Yes, So this 139 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:11,440 situation is horrific actually because it's not just about what was allowed to happen or 140 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:16,960 what was done, but what that means going forward. So we have a 141 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:22,320 number of different things. A. We do have people that various reporters at 142 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:30,759 the Federalists have they've talked to about requests from the Trump team for bolstered security 143 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,440 and that being not allowed. Now the Secret Service says that's not true. 144 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,320 Okay, you also have reporting from other outlets showing that, in fact, 145 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,720 that it does seem to be the case, and that to make matters worse, 146 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:52,399 security that normally would have been with President Trump was moved to First Lady 147 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:58,679 Doctor Jill Biden, who announced a counter programming event after President Trump announced the 148 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:05,399 reley. There you have the Secret Service saying that it wasn't their fault that 149 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,480 they failed to protect the president, but that the local law enforcement didn't do 150 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:15,799 their job. You have the Secret Service saying that they created a perimeter around 151 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:20,080 the president that had a mysterious carve out so that it actually looks like a 152 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,919 pac Man, you know how it's like pac Man is a circle head, 153 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,519 but then there's a you know, pie shape out, So that's what their 154 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:35,519 security perimeter was, and mysteriously the pie shape absence in the perimeter is where 155 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:45,240 the shooter was located. You have that, You have video evidence of dozens, 156 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:52,039 if not hundreds, of bystanders calling out the shooter. You have reports 157 00:11:52,039 --> 00:11:58,480 of them notifying law enforcement about the shooter. You have law enforcements saying they 158 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,600 saw the shooter and retreated or so. It's just for well over a minute, 159 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:11,720 and the snipers who took out the shooter did not shoot him until he 160 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:16,679 shot the President, which is very weird, and we have no answers about 161 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:24,200 who either authorized that or allowed that or prevented quicker action. And you see 162 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,240 also that a lot of people in corporate media are trying to just move on 163 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:33,039 from this when it's just to the casual observer, including the casual observers who 164 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:41,960 were there. This was a completely preventable assassination attempt. And let's not forget 165 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:48,279 that Corey Comparatoy was murdered, was killed by this shooter in front of his 166 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:54,799 family, protecting his family, and two other people I believe were seriously injured 167 00:12:54,840 --> 00:13:01,000 in this. And so the Secret Service dirrector being oh, actually, what 168 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:03,919 was that? Maerkus said he had one hundred percent confidence in the Secret Service, 169 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:13,399 one hundred percent confidence they just narrowly escaped, putting us all in a 170 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:16,200 civil war. And he has one hundred percent confidence. I mean, what 171 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,919 would it take to get to ninety nine percent? I mean that was actually 172 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,840 one of the first conversations I'd had with my wife. Imagine if he had 173 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,120 been hit, you know, God forbid, and what does the world look 174 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:28,919 like? You're saying, imagine if he had been killed. I'm sorry, 175 00:13:28,919 --> 00:13:33,120 what if he had been killed? It would have been just I don't even 176 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:37,080 know where we go from there, you know, I just want to say, 177 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,720 you know how people say, you know, you had one job. 178 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:45,960 Secret Service literally has one job in any time. If there's ever an incident 179 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,120 where incidents where someone who is being protected by Secret Service has someone to you 180 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,720 know, the candidate or politician has a shot taken at them, people should 181 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:58,320 automatically be resigning because that's the one job they have to prevent that from happening. 182 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:03,639 So, you know, I don't think has anyone ever resigned in this 183 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,799 administration who has botched something. For instance, to Afghanistan withdraw, it was 184 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,679 a massive, massive mess, and it was a deadly mess, and there 185 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,799 were all kinds of mistakes made because in my view at least Joe Biden was 186 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,120 doing it for political reasons and had you know, a timing issue with it, 187 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:24,720 and he put people's lives in danger. No one resigned, Not one 188 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:28,759 person resigned, No one lost their job, and so far no one's lost 189 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:31,279 their job here. It's just amazing to me. So I don't know where 190 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,679 does it go. 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Just 216 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,879 take, for example, the Department of Justice FBI, which were leaders in 217 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:47,080 the Russia collusion scam, in which a false bought by Hillary Clinton and the 218 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:52,960 DNC claim that Donald Trump was secretly a Russian asset was pushed out to media 219 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,720 and other allies of the Democrat Party for years and they were behind it. 220 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:03,119 The FBI was behind it. Other three letter agencies were behind it. You 221 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:11,839 had a false Russia narrative. You know, obviously Russia's for one hundred years 222 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:18,000 been involved in meddling in our elections. But that was way over amplified to 223 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:26,799 the point of just complete lying in the twenty sixteen election by people at the 224 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:32,440 CIA and other high level intel agencies in order to further promulgate this false claim 225 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,640 about Trump secretly being a Mastermind spy. In twenty twenty, a year after 226 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:45,680 the FBI had obtained and knew that Hunter Biden's laptop was real full of information 227 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:51,759 about the Biden family business and its dealings with corrupt overseas regimes, laid the 228 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:56,440 groundwork for claiming that this that if this came out, that it was Russian 229 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,920 disinformation. And when it did come out, they claimed it was Russian dis 230 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:06,759 information. The infamous letter signed by fifty one Intel officials saying that Hunter Biden's 231 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:11,680 laptop detailing information about Joe Biden's family business was fake and they knew it was 232 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:17,880 false. So, in this context and a thousand other things, by the 233 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:23,119 way, the idea that Christopher Ray or Merrick Garland, oh sorry, let's 234 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:29,240 actually just go a little bit further here. Christopher Ray and Merrick Garland have 235 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:37,640 allowed themselves to be used by Joe Biden to raid mar Lago, the President's 236 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:45,519 home, to prosecute, to make to have these political prosecutions go forward as 237 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:51,359 part of the Democrat effort to remove Donald Trump from the ballot, imprison him, 238 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:56,559 bankrupt him, and worse. So, the FBI is going to look 239 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,240 into the shooting? Are you as serious? Like the idea, yeah, 240 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,039 that Merritt Garland or Chris Ray could have anything to do with that or anyone 241 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:11,039 at the DC headquarters of FBI or DJ is absurd. Now. I don't 242 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:14,680 even think anyone at the FBI should actually be in charge of investigating this, 243 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:18,480 given their corruption. But I would say, if anybody were to take over, 244 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:27,599 I think that Western Pittsburgh based US attorney that might be the best place 245 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,680 for the investigation to run. I mean, do you think these people who 246 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:36,279 have made it their life's goal to destroy Donald Trump should be in charge of 247 00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:42,359 investigating a mysteriously allowed assassination attempt? I mean, this would be one of 248 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:49,279 the one of the jobs for a national police force, right, one of 249 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:52,720 the few things. Like they're involved in so many things they shouldn't be, 250 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:56,000 and yet they can't be trusted. I'm not really sure who has the ability 251 00:19:56,079 --> 00:20:00,400 the resources to figure stuff like this out, really do a thorough investigation. 252 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,119 Who isn't kind of DC based but you're saying in Pittsburgh. I mean, 253 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,839 clearly someone needs to do it. It needs to be transparent. Their heads 254 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:14,920 need to roll because no matter what happened, something went wrong. For sure, 255 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,160 like we know that something went wrong. That's not in question. It's 256 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,599 just who's a fault is what's a question? Yeah? I agree with you. 257 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:22,599 I mean, first of all, no one's going to trust trust what 258 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,440 they have to say. I mean, even now, they're not taking responsibility. 259 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:33,000 So my question is, though, considering all you said about all the 260 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,519 you know, Russia collusions. So but even more than that, the entire 261 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:40,039 since the disastrous debate with Biden, and it's always been this has been going 262 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:42,680 on for three years. They've amped up the Trump is Hitler talk. You 263 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:48,920 know, Republicans are fascist. Why is everyone wishing Orange Hitler quick recovery? 264 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,000 It doesn't make any sense to me. Right, if we really thought this 265 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:55,200 person was going to do all these horrible things, then you should be happy 266 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,880 that someone tried to take him out. I know this sounds horrible, But 267 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,880 if I really thought Hitler was going to take over here, cheering on someone 268 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,039 who would take him out, you know, beating him at the ballot box, 269 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,599 either they don't believe what they're saying, which I think is true for 270 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,119 most of them, or the whole thing's just a ridiculous you know, I 271 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,359 don't know what to call it, just this hyper hyperbole, right, and 272 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:21,559 tearing the country apart in ways it shouldn't be. When you were talking about 273 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:26,319 if Democrats were correct that Donald Trump is literally Hitler, why would you wish 274 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,839 that he hadn't been shot and killed, right, or killed? And I 275 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:37,240 was seeing at it with the actual rhetoric from President Biden has been horrific in 276 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:41,519 this regard, and people have not paid enough attention to it. And I 277 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:47,279 realized that Donald Trump is like king among insulters, and it's really you know, 278 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,319 he loves to insult people, and he loves to come up with nicknames 279 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:55,079 and stuff. And yes, he has called Joe Biden sleepy, Joe Biden 280 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:59,720 worst president in the history of the country, right, that's very strong. 281 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:04,519 Red Joe Biden has said, for example, Donald Trump is a genuine threat 282 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:08,000 to this nation. He is a threat to our freedom. He's a threat 283 00:22:08,079 --> 00:22:15,519 to our democracy. He's literally a threat to everything America stands for. Now 284 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:19,559 it's worse, he said. It is the biggest threat this country's democracy is 285 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:23,000 ever ever in its history phase whereas the slavery, Civil War, World or 286 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,720 two, et cetera, nine to eleven. He's also said Donald Trump is 287 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:34,400 the greatest threat to our democracy. He has said Trump poses many threats to 288 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,799 our country, the right to choose, civil rights, voting rights, and 289 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:41,720 America is standing in the world. But the greatest threat he poses is to 290 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:48,599 our democracy. If we lose that, we lose everything. And Donald Trump 291 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:56,000 and Republicans are a threat to the very soul of this country. He said 292 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:00,279 fewer than twenty four hours before an assassin tried to take out Trump, that 293 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:06,400 Americans want a president, not a dictator. I mean, this is yes, 294 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:11,319 sleepy Joe Biden, very mean. We shouldn't say that telling people that 295 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,480 Donald Trump and Republicans are about to install a dictatorship that will destroy America, 296 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,920 which is what Joe Biden and every single Democrat in the media have been saying 297 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:26,440 for about eight years. Like that's an almost no pushback from people. I've 298 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,880 heard no, really sane, sensible people on the left saying, I think 299 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,720 we shouldn't be talking this way. Can I say I am usually reluctant to 300 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:40,039 blame rhetoric for violence because it's often been used by the left to try to 301 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,079 chill speech, right, So I worry about that. So I did go 302 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,960 back this week and look at some of the things Donald Trump has said, 303 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,200 and he'll say like, he's the worst, Bind's the worst president ever, 304 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,000 Bind's going to destroy the economy. But I think that's Listen. He obviously 305 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:57,000 is not your typical politician, but they're and they're a hard thing. You 306 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,839 know. He's saying things that are very, very critical, but they're well, 307 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,599 they're within the bounds of usual political rhetoric in that way. I'm not 308 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:07,319 saying he's never said anything wrong in the past or never you know, about 309 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,839 violence, whatever. I don't want to get too deeply into that. But 310 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,039 it's not really the threat to democracy stuff that if that was all that Biden 311 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,359 said, it would be different. But that stuff is bolstered by Democrats on 312 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,079 TV, with millions of viewers and followers saying Trump is hitler, Trump's going 313 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,599 to put your kids in concentration, camps, or Trump's going to execute reporters, 314 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:32,400 or Trump is a clandestine asset for a foreign adversary taking over your democracy, 315 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,279 and added still by the Supreme Court is run by a bunch of billionaires 316 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,480 really and taking your right, you know, and on and on. It's 317 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:44,920 the whole. It's like the holistic paranoia. I guess I'd say that's going 318 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,039 on that is really dangerous. So it's not just like, oh, this 319 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:52,599 guy's a threat to democracy, because I think Joe Biden's a threat to democracy, 320 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:53,880 frankly, so I think I should be allowed to say that without having 321 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,279 to worry that some nut's going to shoot at him. But it's all that 322 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:02,359 stuff. I don't know if you agree with that. I share with you 323 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:08,519 concern about people blaming rhetoric alone for violent actions taken by people. And we 324 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,440 have had, unfortunately, myriad examples of this, where you know, there's 325 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:21,160 a paranoid, schizophrenic guy out of Arizona who shot up the Gabby Giffords rally 326 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,079 that she was hosting and murdered all these people and seriously injured her, and 327 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,839 The New York Times blamed Sarah Palin because Sarah Palin had put out a pack 328 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,319 target list of like where they were focusing their efforts, and that race was 329 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,839 one of the ones they were targeting. And they said because she used the 330 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:45,880 word target, that showed she wanted someone to kill the person. That's ridiculous 331 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,920 and absurd. And also you're allowed to say really strong things against your political 332 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:56,680 opponents. What I'm more concerned about is the dehumanization of Republicans for the last 333 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,640 eight years. It's not that there was strong rhetoric, it's like there was 334 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,680 only strong rhetoric. There was no understanding of the political concerns and values of 335 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:11,279 Republicans who elected Donald Trump, who came out with like eleven million more votes 336 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:15,559 to re elect him in twenty twenty, although that didn't work for them, 337 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:22,839 and no way of talking about their policy prescriptions, whether it's on the border, 338 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:29,160 foreign policy, crime, the economy, as anything other than authoritarian horror 339 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,880 show. That's what bothers me more. It's like deeper than just rhetoric. 340 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,119 It's about this inability to understand that there are different political positions and they should 341 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,279 be treated fairly. And in this regard, the media are the primary problem 342 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,839 here. They are the ones who decided in twenty sixteen after that infamous you 343 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,200 know, Jim Rutenberg front page story in the New York Times that in order 344 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:56,240 to preserve their political power, they had to treat Republicans like they were the 345 00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:00,759 scum of the earth, horrible, not worth a fair treatment in any way, 346 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:04,440 shape or form. You saw that in the treatment by the White House 347 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:11,160 Press Court, which were just like constantly rabid packs of hyaenas versus the gentle 348 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,559 treatment that Joe Biden gets, even to the point of absurdity. You know, 349 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:21,480 they just had a press conference where they gently led Joe Biden through each 350 00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:26,240 question and it took to the last or next to last question before anyone asked 351 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:30,839 about his mental acuity or like actual tests on his mental acuty. Nobody asked 352 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:37,960 about Hunter Biden being his top advisor. I mean, just this general climate 353 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:48,119 is in fact, deeply, deeply problematic for a functioning republic. Well again, 354 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,039 you know, this is what my book's about, and it starts the 355 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:53,920 first sentence in it is, you know something like democrats no longer debate, 356 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:59,160 They just accuse, They play the man. They look, they divine your 357 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,559 motivation, and they come up with this like paranoid view of the opposition. 358 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,480 You're not a traditional conservative who disagrees with them. You are a misogynist, 359 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,920 you're a transphobic, you're home of thought. You know, there's it's always 360 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,519 you know, I forgot which philosopher said it. But one of the hallmarks 361 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:22,119 of totalitarian politics is to constantly look at the motivations of other people rather than 362 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,759 debate what they're saying. And that's where we are right now. There is 363 00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:29,240 no debate in this country anymore. It's we need to stop these fascists and 364 00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:32,039 so on, which brings me to something I wrote, if you're ready to 365 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:36,359 go to talk about unity for a little bit. Yeah. So I am 366 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,240 not a fan of unity. And every few years I write a column. 367 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:44,880 Know, I went back to see I wrote one for the Denver Post when 368 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,920 Obama became president. I wrote one when I say Obama, yeah, and 369 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,440 Biden became president, I needed to write one today. Unity is a euphemism 370 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:57,079 for come over to our side and accept our cultural outlook on society. No 371 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,920 calls for unity ever, even now, when Joe Biden was calling for unity, 372 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,559 he did not stop talking the way he did. He did not ask 373 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,440 Democrats to change their rhetoric really in any way. Unless I missed it, 374 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,200 he basically sink conservatives needs to change the way they are And you wrote piece 375 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,480 on it, and I loved it because it was about this same issue. 376 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:22,720 We don't have to all agree, we don't have to be unified. We 377 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:30,039 do have to tolerate our neighbor having different views than we do. And that 378 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,400 is what has been destroyed in the last eight years, and really destroyed on 379 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,960 the left. I think the right still understands that you're going to I mean, 380 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,839 we have to understand. We live it every single day that you're going 381 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,720 to have people with different viewpoints and you have to tolerate it. But there 382 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:49,519 needs to be some kind of program to help the left retain or return to 383 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:59,039 that great American virtue of disagreeing with your neighbor in a civil fashion. You 384 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,480 all must really love Democrat run states. The watched Out on Wall Street podcast 385 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:07,640 with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the 386 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,039 economy and how it affects your wallet. The irs has revealed the true exodus 387 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:15,519 of American from places like California and New York to Florida and Texas, and 388 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,240 billions of adjusted gross income people move. U haul wins whether it's happening in 389 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,319 DC or down on Wall Street. It's affecting you financially. Be informed. 390 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,519 Check out the watch Doot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski on Apple, 391 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:32,960 Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. They can't. They just can't 392 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,920 abide by the fact that someone in Oklahoma doesn't think that two men should be 393 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,720 married. They just can't. They can't live with themselves. They can't live 394 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:42,920 with the fact that someone in Colorado doesn't want to make a cake that they 395 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:47,680 ask him to make. They just can't. I think the core problem here 396 00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:52,039 is, first of all, unity is for dictatorships, not for free nations. 397 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:55,200 I don't want to unify with socialists on anything. I don't really care. 398 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,240 In my private life, I unify with people. But this is about 399 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,839 political unity, and I think that's a it's a pseudo patriotic slogan that doesn't 400 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,519 really mean anything. But to get to the core of it, it's that 401 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,559 the unity, if any, comes from our belief in our protections and rights 402 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:12,079 in the Constitution, and the left no longer believes in due process or free 403 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:15,440 speech, or being able to defend yourself or you know, a bunch or 404 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,519 a bunch of other things, so with religious freedom right. So that's why 405 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:25,599 we can't be really unified in any way anymore. In that at least, 406 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,039 that's why I think things are falling apart to some extent. Now, Listen, 407 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,920 I disagree with Republicans all the time, but I think this is the 408 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:34,519 lefts the unity problem is a left wing driven problem. Right now? Does 409 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,759 that make sense? Yeah? It does. I think I'm more optimistic. 410 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:41,119 You just said you think this is why everything is falling apart. I would 411 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:48,119 just like to point out that our country has providentially been saved from an assassination 412 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:55,640 of the once and likely future President Donald Trump. The way in which that 413 00:31:55,759 --> 00:32:00,440 crowd handled the situation, that President Trump handled that situation was remarkable. The 414 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:08,240 response from Americans across the entire country has been beautiful, outside of like MSNBC, 415 00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:17,759 CNN washing basically every media out it seems that realizing that this hatred from 416 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:22,400 the left has, you know, it can even lead to something like this 417 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:30,519 requires good people to stand against It has been so unifying to people and almost 418 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,680 like we're seeing something we haven't seen in a long time. We've had a 419 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:40,559 very depressing almost like thirty years in America and it seems like maybe the country 420 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:50,720 is thinking about coming together to reassert founding principles, coming together to just save 421 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:54,079 the country from some of the insanity that has been foisted upon it by the 422 00:32:54,200 --> 00:33:00,119 uniparty in recent decades. Like it feels like morning in America for the first 423 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:04,519 time in a long time. Yeah, not for me. I don't want 424 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,759 to be an e r. But I don't feel that at all. And 425 00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,160 I'm not saying that in our regular lives we can't come together and that things 426 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,920 aren't okay. I think most Americans aren't hateful of their neighbors. I don't 427 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,039 think so, though when you look at polling, increasingly on the left, 428 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:20,240 they don't, you know, they're like, would you marry someone at the 429 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,359 other party? No, would you want to be neighbors? You know, 430 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,920 there's a lot of like I think that politics is trickling down, our political 431 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,039 hatre is trickling down into the real world. And part of America is I 432 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:31,799 get to live with people who I agree with Somewhere. I mean, I 433 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:35,480 don't, you know, we don't have to agree with each other. But 434 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:37,920 I don't think no, I don't. I think we're headed towards a place. 435 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,759 It's going to be far more statist and individual rights are in trouble in 436 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:45,839 the long term. Well, I think that's ridiculous. Let's move on to 437 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,960 the next topic so we can actually deal with what your real source of anger 438 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,799 and disappointment is. I'm not going to listen. I'm not going to be 439 00:33:54,200 --> 00:34:00,119 come on here and just bash away at the vice presidential pick. Jd Vance. 440 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:02,640 Yes, you are, just get to it. I know, I 441 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,079 don't. I mean, I've done, I'm doing it all. I feel. 442 00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,159 You know that meme where the guys where the John Snow takes his sword 443 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,599 out and like the whole army's coming out of That's how I feel like online. 444 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,239 I mean, listen, this is what Republicans want. Oh, David, 445 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:20,360 you are exactly with every single Republican establishment person in the country. I'll 446 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,159 tell you, the Republicans just wish the people. Donald Trump is the Republican 447 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,599 establishment. He is the president. Everyone falls in line. He was the 448 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,320 president. Everyone falls in line. There's not a single elected official right now 449 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,119 saying jd Vance was a bad pick. Maybe behind closed doors they said it, 450 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,239 but there's not one that's come out and said nah, that wasn't right. 451 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,559 As there. I mean he is the establishment. He is the establishment. 452 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,559 So I'm at the Republican National Convention right now, and it was kind 453 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,800 of hilarious. Did you say sorry? Yeah? I know. I actually 454 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,440 was like thinking, oh, this is going to if I just think this 455 00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:57,519 is the last you mention I ever have to go to, I can get 456 00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,559 through it. And then after the events on Saturday, I thought, you 457 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:05,000 know what, I am glad to be here, and I'm glad to be 458 00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:12,960 here. But it's interesting because you have all of these old conservative organizations funded 459 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:24,000 by traditional business interests, let's say, and they are here and their number 460 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:28,639 one issue, you know, as eloquently stated by Mitchell McConnell, their number 461 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:34,880 one issue is Ukraine, you know. And then you have this really energized, 462 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,800 vibrant new right, the sort of Peter thiel Mark and Driss and Elon 463 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:51,079 Musk, David Sachs type world of that new business tech bro we cannot believe 464 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,519 how awful the Republican Party has been and we are hoping to make it better 465 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:59,719 kind of approach. And so the two sides have very different views. So 466 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,920 some places that I went yesterday after the JD Vance nomination was announced, I 467 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,280 mean, everyone like the normal people were all like, oh, this is 468 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,920 awesome, and then the normal silicon investor, Angel investment. No, no, 469 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,239 no, I'm saying, like the the delegates, the delegates, the 470 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,760 people who are just yeah, yeah, that kind of people. Then the 471 00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:30,039 I also had some conversations with some of those older traditional Republicans supporting organizations, 472 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:37,039 and they were funereal. They were so sad, so so sad about you 473 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,559 know, the same people who actually were sad that JD. Vance won the 474 00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:45,960 Republican nomination for Ohio Senate in twenty twenty two, really hoped that he wouldn't 475 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,199 have a future in the Republican Party. And so they're just realizing. I 476 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:59,159 think they're on this long continual realization that the Bush era Republican Party is dying 477 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:06,800 and being replaced with a new Republican party, no new ideas. But yeah, 478 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,159 I mean, I don't want I don't want to sound like that praising 479 00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:12,480 myself. Let me ask you a question. Do you think that I oppose 480 00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:19,199 the JD. Vance uh pick because I care about big business interest or anyone's 481 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,000 paying me to do it, or any of the stuff or even foreign policy. 482 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,840 No, I don't like him because his and I don't like, what 483 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,280 was it a question or was it just rhetorical like all my questions. Do 484 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,360 I think you are paid to oppose No, forget that part. Do you 485 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,400 think him because I think that you oppose him over foreign policy? No, 486 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,960 I don't think you're big on foreign policy, so I don't think that's it. 487 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:50,159 Do I think you oppose him because you genuinely dislike an economic policy like 488 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,480 the one here articulates? I do, And I know it's what you pose 489 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,559 because you've written about it for years, so I get it, you know. 490 00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:59,400 Yeah, So what I'm saying is that it's unfair. And I see 491 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,639 this going on, and others have done it, like I mentioned names online 492 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,760 where they I feel like a lot of the populace pushback on stuff like this 493 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,360 reminds me of progressive stuff. It is also personalized in a way, like 494 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,679 I sa someone say, oh, a lot of writers you know are jealous 495 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,320 that jd Vance had a best seller and then you know, and stuff like 496 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,039 that. I do agree with Michael Brendan Doherty on that. I do not 497 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,400 think that applies to you, and I don't think it applies to everybody. 498 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,000 But jd Vance is a bit of a class trader. You know, he's 499 00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:31,599 an incredibly smart person. He's a really good writer. He, in my 500 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:38,679 view, showed courage in rejecting the failed Republican Party of recent decades to embrace 501 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,280 the direction it's going. But a lot of people view him as a class 502 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,519 trader, and they are livid that he's been successful with it because they wish 503 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,079 that he would just be in their comfortable never Trump space. That is so 504 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,320 boring and so like it was boring six years ago. It's wait, he 505 00:38:54,440 --> 00:39:00,480 keeps sayings, but really they reject Reaganism. They do. Note that's so 506 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,920 stupid. I literally can't go I can't go three tweets without someone calling me 507 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,920 a zombie Reagan talking about zombie Reaganism. I mean, they constantly do this, 508 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:13,079 So I don't even you know, like on your issues, you should 509 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:17,840 have probably you should. And I imagine you did also dislike Reagan and Bush's 510 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,920 economic policy, right, No, No, of course there's no one perfect. 511 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:28,079 I did not like Bush's economic policy. They're like Medicare party stuff is 512 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:31,519 okay. They're tariffs that they employed, those are okay. You just don't 513 00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:36,559 like Jade Vance also with tariffs, because Bush put a steel taraff for two 514 00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,320 months up and then took it down because it was a disaster. Trump wants 515 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,239 a ten percent tariff on all imports. I mean, he's never going to 516 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,000 do it, but that's what he wants. There's a big difference. And 517 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,880 by the way, Jade Vance is way to the left of Donald Trump on 518 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,440 economic issues. He's essentially there is no space between him and social socialist Democrats 519 00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:57,920 right now. But he has said that he likes that he identifies with Bernie 520 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,320 stuff. I don't mind if people are fine with that, and they seemed 521 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,719 to be love unions, love price controls, you know, all this stuff. 522 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,960 But those are failed issues. And the idea that Trump is I think 523 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:13,480 Trump is a unique and amazing political talent, but the idea that Trump isn't 524 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:19,360 as successful is a complete fantasy. Twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty twenty 525 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,840 two completely underperformed. People who cody Trump are not popular. What oh my 526 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,960 god, They've lost seats. They lost seats in twenty eighteen, they lost 527 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,960 seats in twenty twenty and the presidency, however it happened, and then twenty 528 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,800 twenty two, they immensely underperformed, and many of Trump's no I know, 529 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,880 I'm sorry that we can't have the electoral success of Amit Romney or a John 530 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,719 McCain. How about Reagan or Bush? They were pretty success that the Republican 531 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,480 Party was put in after eight Why is can I ask you, this is 532 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:50,800 an honest question. Why do I have to deal with this false choice where 533 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,559 I have to pick Romney or of JD. Vans. Is there no other 534 00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:57,440 kind of person in the world. I mean, people always tell me that's 535 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,760 the choice. I don't think that's the choice. It's a good way for 536 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,000 all. Word that was much more inclusive, David. I was gonna say 537 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,239 that I got all these emails from people that were looking forward to us talking 538 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,320 about JD. Vance because apparently you and I tweeted around the same time about 539 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,199 it, and your tweet said this is the worst vice presidential pick in the 540 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:23,079 history of man. I said it was uninspired and terrible, oh gosh, 541 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:29,920 and mine was praise God. And so I am actually curious, who would 542 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,599 you have loved to see as the boss? I say one quick thing, 543 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,119 I am ready. People are like, are you okay? And all this 544 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:45,079 stuff. They say. I love our people, so I don't lose sleep 545 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,039 over it. But let me just tell you. A lifetime of political disappointment 546 00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:51,639 has readied me for anything, and I don't get what I want, but 547 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,159 I you know, so I'm fine. Who would I have liked? I 548 00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:58,679 guess if I had to pick the people that were available, I would have 549 00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:00,199 picked young Kin. I mean, I just I think he's too normal and 550 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,320 too like esthetically no good. We have to be working you know, for 551 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,199 working classes, working class that and he doesn't look the part. But he's 552 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:13,119 actually successful governor. I mean he hasn't He doesn't have JD. Vance's experience, 553 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,119 who has now finished a third of his first term in the Senate and 554 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:20,400 never really you know, done anything else. I'm really emotionally involved here, 555 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,360 David. I do I do I think for Trump, if you're a Trumpet, 556 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,440 if you're like a fart, like if you're a left economic Republican, 557 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,800 which it seems many people are, this is a good pick for you because 558 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,920 he's kind of trying to solidify the future of his legacy on that sort of 559 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,239 issue. Right, So if you bring Younkin in, that doesn't happen. 560 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,840 I mean, I don't think J. D. Trump's ever going to J 561 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,840 D. Trump. I know he's going to be president, but unless something 562 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,079 got you know, happened to the president. But I do think for him 563 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,400 looking forward in that way, it's a good pick. I just don't think 564 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,400 it's a very inclusive pick. I think any anyone that was going to vote 565 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,280 for Trump already is going to vote from Jadvance is going to make and not 566 00:42:55,639 --> 00:43:00,480 I think JD. Advance can make much of a difference. So You're ideal 567 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:07,719 pick would have been of the people spoken about, Oh well, malay should 568 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:14,360 be American citizens. You wanted the sort of Bush style Carlisle group governor of 569 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,920 virgin How much money does JD. Vans have? I love this working class 570 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,159 stuff, just because you grew up working class. I mean, he's also 571 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,400 why isn't young kin Or treated to his kids? What I want to tell 572 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,199 you, My husband and I always joke about how what a bad idea it 573 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,199 is to tell people to calm down. But I kind of want you to 574 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:38,880 calm down. You are so listened up here, and I want to I'll 575 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,519 tell you, I am so occutraated by the arguments for him. They make 576 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:50,639 no sense. I mean I literally hear like social conservatives who are religious people 577 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,480 believe you're spiraling. You're spiraling let's like spiral. This is why I became 578 00:43:55,519 --> 00:44:02,760 a writer, so I could organize my thoughts more effectively. I'm really really 579 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:10,000 happy, truly surprised too by this pick. But I have some problems with 580 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:15,000 JD Vance's surprise. I am shocked, actually really though, who did you 581 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:22,840 think he was going to pick? So someone someone told Sean Davis that it 582 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,519 wasn't going to be JD Vance because we never get what we want, which 583 00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:30,360 is like a common feeling. I used to I would talk to people constantly, 584 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,079 who do you think is the VP? Who do you think is the 585 00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:35,320 VP? And all these like really interesting people who I respect on the on 586 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,719 the right, They're like, well, of course I wish it were JD. 587 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,840 But I think it's going to be Marco or I wish it were JD. 588 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,159 I think it's going to be Burgham. You know, they had their 589 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:47,519 their things nobody. This is a real move of strength for precisely the reason 590 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:53,960 you just you just pointed out, Donald Trump is showing that the Make America 591 00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:59,480 Great Again movement is not just about him, that there will be a future 592 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:04,199 after Trump for this movement and for me personally, one of the things that 593 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,639 I'm most excited about and the reason why Permanent DC is sad is about the 594 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,679 foreign policy. And so I think you and I actually agree on the foreign 595 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,400 policy, probably with JD being good or no, maybe not. I don't 596 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,480 know how honestly much of an interventionist you are for democracy spreading, No, 597 00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:23,079 I'm not for democracy spreading. But also I don't know what his views aren't 598 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:28,280 Israel, So honestly I don't understand his views. I always says he's pro 599 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,719 Israel and all that, but will he continue to fund Israel? I don't 600 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:37,679 know. No. I for being a realist, I always feel like I'm 601 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,559 more pro Israel than a lot of people who are in my space are. 602 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:46,000 But JD articulates my position very well, and he did it in under somewhat 603 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,360 hostile circumstances not too long ago, at a Quincy Institute speech where he made 604 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:58,800 the realist case for the US alliance with Israel. So you would like it, 605 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,440 and I think you'd like it because of who he was saying it to. 606 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,199 And by the way, yeah yeah, And by the way, there 607 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:08,920 are things I agree with him, and a lot of times the problems he 608 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,280 lays out, I agree with our problems. It's his solutions and prescriptions that 609 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,599 have a problem with Okay, yeah, I'm not spiraling, I'm letting you 610 00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:22,440 speak. I was just trying to do that little thing on foreign policy to 611 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:30,320 make a segue to the economic policy. So the economic policy stuff I share, 612 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:36,840 and actually also administrative stuff policy I share concerns I worry. I like 613 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:42,800 this speech that vig Ramaswami gave at the National Conservative Conference where he kind of 614 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:49,119 was calling out I think JD and people like him who talk about co opting 615 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:55,480 the administrative state for conservative vents. And Vivig's position was it's irredeemable, it's 616 00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,760 not salvageable. It just has to be dismantled. I agree with that. 617 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,960 I think the administrative state is unconstitutional and it needs to be destroyed, not 618 00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:12,000 co opted for conservative ends. On the economic stuff, I actually think that 619 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:17,400 there are just these boring ways that people deliberately misunderstand some of what's going on 620 00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:22,679 with trade and tariffs and stuff like them. I always think about how Trump 621 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,840 when he was up at a G seven or something in Canada, he challenged 622 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,880 everybody. They were very upset that he wanted to renegotiate trade agreements, and 623 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,679 they were saying he was anti free trade. He said, oh no, 624 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,519 I'm like totally free trade. If you want right now to agree to zero 625 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:42,079 percent tariffs, I'm in. And they were all like, no, no, 626 00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,719 no, wait, we can't do that. So people frequently call things 627 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,599 free trade that are the furthest thing from free trade. They are nine hundred 628 00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:55,599 page long agreements written over decades to deal with issues that were happening decades ago. 629 00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,920 And then when you propose revision to those nine hundred page documents and agreements 630 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,039 with foreign countries, they say you're not free trade. Well neither are they. 631 00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:08,239 There are things like you know, it's like they think that if you 632 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,239 call it free trade that it'll be free trade, and it's not. Everyone, 633 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,719 with a few exceptions of us on the more libertarian right, actually want 634 00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:22,559 some type of trade agreement or trade paper or like you know, rules for 635 00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:27,920 what can be done, and if you propose updating them in a way that 636 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:34,920 accomplishes different ends than the ends sought by the original people who were designing them, 637 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,199 then they call you anti free trade, and it's really annoying. So 638 00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:46,920 I think there's criticism of protectionism, but also we just have to have a 639 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:53,960 much more open and honest conversation about whether the complicated rules governing our economy and 640 00:48:54,039 --> 00:49:00,440 our trade with other nations, who they're benefiting. And I like how the 641 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:06,559 new Republican Party is thinking about the effect of these agreements on the middle class 642 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:10,360 and the industrial base and things that I care about for national security reasons and 643 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,880 for the health of the country. Listen, I don't want to get into 644 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,679 a giant argument about trade. We did that like a few years ago. 645 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,760 We could talk about that at another time. But it's not just trade. 646 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,360 I think JD. Evans is essentially a pre twenty fifteen Democrat, you know, 647 00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:31,800 just his whole economic outlook for minimum you know, for price controls, 648 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,320 for minimum wage laws, for I don't even know, like if he's for 649 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,239 rent control. I'm not accusing him of that. I have to look into 650 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:44,320 it. But I think that we have now a lot of unwoke religious or 651 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,880 social conservative socialists in the Republican Party. A lot of class warriors who are 652 00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:53,079 Democrats who don't like the woke stuff have become people that the like I saw, 653 00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:59,159 for instance, people praising people right for the nation and places like that, 654 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:04,320 praising van people want to go after who think it's a great idea. 655 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,519 Big labor is a great idea, like we should be chasing that shrinking, 656 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,599 dying demographic. I mean, it is, And I pushed back just a 657 00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:17,840 little bit on that very point. And by the way, I don't disagree 658 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,480 that some of the economic policies pushed by the new Right are extremely worries. 659 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:30,679 Okay. I do wish that people on the right would realize how the Republican 660 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,440 Party had failed to address the concerns of a lot of people through its open 661 00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:44,000 borders, focus on corporation corporate health policy approach in recent decades. I worry, 662 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,599 in fact, that that approach has led people to reject everything that we 663 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:57,599 know about the brilliance of a market based system at helping the most people have 664 00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:04,039 the most resources. I don't disagree. I just also don't want us to 665 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,639 make me pollyanna ish about what led to it. Sorry, but I just 666 00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:12,079 wanted to quickly push back on the labor thing because I was interested in Sean 667 00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:16,320 O'Brien's speech at the RNC, and I don't really agree with a lot that 668 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:23,599 he said, or a lot of what has happened through union stuff. You 669 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:28,000 always say, like, oh, it's only ten percent of the labor class 670 00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:30,320 is in a union, right, Isn't that your thing in a private union? 671 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,880 My thing is that I don't even know what it's like a small I 672 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,440 don't know it's a small percentage, But I think if you're looking for a 673 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,880 way to explain, first of all, I just I don't think you have 674 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,280 to agree with everything that is said at a convention or by people in a 675 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,000 party like I just think that's weird that people demand purity from the stage. 676 00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:59,360 But for too long people have not cared about the working class in America, 677 00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:04,400 have let a lot of problems fester through an open border that doesn't just affect 678 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,679 labor markets, but also the spread of fentanyl, which has destroyed so many 679 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:15,280 families in our country. The economic situation does relate to ability to form and 680 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:22,039 keep families going, and so having a labor speaker does not bother me totally, 681 00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:28,000 because I want the Republican Party in general to care much more about workers 682 00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:32,440 and just what gets made in America. I know you don't. I know 683 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,119 you kind of like probably rolling your eyes at me right now at that. 684 00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:40,159 But that's why I'm not as upset as you are about what Sean O'Brien said. 685 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,400 Even though I didn't really agree with much of what he said. I 686 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,320 think there's a big difference, for instance, between Reagan, who was a 687 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,679 faulty president. I don't worship Reagan like people claim or anything like that. 688 00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:57,039 Is a person who took many, many years to change the minds of a 689 00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:01,400 lot of people about the world. What jd Vance, who changed his mind 690 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,119 only recently about a bunch of stuff, has done, and people like that 691 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,239 do is just tell people what they want to hear all the time. I 692 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,119 don't think that's fair. I think that's one quick thing that you said that 693 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,119 I did roll my eyes at. Inside. I wouldn't do it. Is 694 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,840 this demand of purity. Of course, you aren't going to agree with everything 695 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,000 that a candidate said, but there are demands for purity. If Nicky Haley, 696 00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:28,079 because of her foreign policy, was a VP, they would have been 697 00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,840 a meltdown. The entire convention would have melted down. But yet it's okay, 698 00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,559 so did the head of the Union. And what I'm saying my point, 699 00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:38,719 that's my point. People speak, and it's I'm not going to like 700 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,840 everything they say. Go on now, I'm just saying that I think there 701 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,440 is a demand for purity. I think that a lot of people are going 702 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,880 to vote for Listen. I don't feel at home now anywhere. But the 703 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,519 thing is, I know that Donald Trump, for all the negatives I hope 704 00:53:54,559 --> 00:54:00,480 he doesn't listen to jd Vance too much, is that by is Done is 705 00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:04,559 far worse right. So I think that that's good for Trump. He'll probably 706 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,519 win. Maybe I don't know. I don't try not to make predictions, 707 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,599 but I do think at one point, maybe when he's present, there's going 708 00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,519 to be a fight. I just don't know that as many people are populist 709 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,519 as you think, and I think ignoring the middle class, which is what 710 00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:24,079 this party is doing now to chase the working class, I'm sorry. If 711 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:27,639 you're going to make things about class, people are going to see it that 712 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:34,280 way. I think most people view actually the primary group that is going to 713 00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:37,320 the Republican Party or voting Republican is in fact the middle class. That's the 714 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,519 primary group that they have. So how can you say they're ignoring it. 715 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:45,679 Clearly the middle class is appreciative of this new Republican part I don't know why 716 00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:49,960 you disagree. Where do you see that in the voting results? No? 717 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,639 Twenty eighteen A lot of suburbs were lost in twenty twenty two. A lot 718 00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:59,199 of places that are suburban areas that should have been one or not one. 719 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,840 I don't know that that's right. I haven't taken a deep dive recently in 720 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,360 numbers. We can debate that another time. I just, you know, 721 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,320 I hate being such an e err about everything, but I just I want 722 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,880 to say that there are people like me out there. I see them out 723 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,400 there, I get emails and stuff. I'm saying it's a big group, 724 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,119 and the populists don't really debate that group. They're just like, you're old, 725 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,840 your ideas are old. I always laugh at these people who are mercantilists, 726 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,159 who are social conservatives make fun of old ideas, like, oh, 727 00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:30,239 if something's old, it's garbage. I just want to say, I think 728 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,679 that debate will be had at some point. Yeah, I'm sorry, go 729 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:38,440 Who do you think has more political cachet, the populists or the libertarians. 730 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:46,119 I don't know why you call normal, every day, longstanding economic conservative principles 731 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,920 libertarian. That's something for a populist who on the left to do. I 732 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,679 am not talking about libertarian stuff. I'm talking about not wanting a minimum wage 733 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,079 laws because they destroy jobs. That's not a libertarian position. That's a tumus 734 00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:04,679 soul. That's a position of of almost all economic economists only a few years 735 00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,960 ago, right. I mean, I just don't like that framing. But 736 00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:13,639 anyway, I know that I'm going to get dunked on. You're not people 737 00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:16,679 love you. I have another question, though, and feel free to not 738 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:23,320 answer it if it's personal. I answer questions. Have you ever voted Republican? 739 00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:30,199 It's a good question. I don't remember. Last time I think I 740 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:36,079 voted was two thousand. I'm not a vote I know so what I mean, 741 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,639 but my nob Okay, I guess here's what I mean. Visual if 742 00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:44,880 people saw what you did and raising your hands and I will just say that 743 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,679 it's not I want to. I want to explain myself though. When I 744 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:52,440 was a real journalist, not an essays as I am now, I wouldn't 745 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,039 vote because I didn't you know, I just felt like reporters shouldn't vote and 746 00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:00,519 journals shouldn't vote. And I just kept doing that. Wrote want call him 747 00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:01,920 about it for The Federalist at one point, But go on, So do 748 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,480 you know Dan McLoughlin, I think you've worked with him. Yeah, okay, 749 00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:08,920 I'm you former writer for The Federalist. He's written for us too. 750 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,880 I love him. He's a really great nice guy. Right. Uh. 751 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,159 He was melting down over the JD. Van's pick yesterday. No, I 752 00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:21,800 think like he would say it, like, you are right, you're trying 753 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,639 not to be so mean. Sorry, I'm just saying. He was. 754 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,719 It's very emotional about it. And he had said something. I can't remember 755 00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:31,760 what his tweet was, but it was like this conservatives or something, this 756 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:37,719 is like the final indignation. This is the worst pick in the history of 757 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:45,039 making whatever. But I was like, Dan, this will be your third 758 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:51,119 election that you haven't voted for Trump, right, like this, this reason 759 00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:53,679 why you're not voting for him is because you think he's unfit for the presidency. 760 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,679 And he was like, right, that's absolutely right. And I think 761 00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:05,400 it's fine that the conservative pundit class will never find a Republican worthy of voting 762 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,559 for, you know, or they will never support the Republican Party as it 763 00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:12,119 has been, or they won't support the Republican Party as it has been for 764 00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,559 a decade. Now, that's fine, It's truly fine. I just wonder 765 00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,920 why we care so much what they think about the Republican Party when they don't 766 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:24,079 even vote Republican. But I have no problem with you not voting or not 767 00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:27,800 voting Republican. I don't care. I'm not saying it that way. I'm 768 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,519 just more like, I think for a lot of Americans, we thought for 769 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:35,320 a long time that the people who were on TV or writing for National Review 770 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,400 or for we thought they were kind of like the people who were trying to 771 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:45,519 help the Republican Party or I don't know how to quite explain it, but 772 00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:49,559 then you kind of realize at some point, like they're just not actually Republicans 773 00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,199 and they don't vote Republican, and it's okay that they have their views, 774 00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:58,000 it's just not necessarily great for the I don't know what I'm trying to say. 775 00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,239 How many how many Republicans do you think would vote for Nikki Hale if 776 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,679 she was the can if she was the presidential candidate? You think it would 777 00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:05,920 be far less than would vote for Trump? Or do you think would be 778 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,639 generally in the same vicinity of votes. I do think it would be far 779 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,599 less. I think it mean less, but I don't quite get rid. 780 00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:17,440 My point is that, of course partisans always line up, Like I know, 781 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,719 people are like, oh, you surrender to Donald Trump or whatever. 782 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,559 You know, they say that the people have changed their minds about Trump. 783 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:28,960 No, that's what happens. Partisans get behind their candidate. That doesn't mean 784 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:34,440 that they're that they that they love all the things that that candidate's saying. 785 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,039 I just don't think it's some big miracle that people are lining behind up behind 786 00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:40,400 Trump in the sense of, you know, policy. I don't think they're 787 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:45,519 as ideological as you say the pundit class, but I do think that that's 788 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,559 the pundit class does make argument, make arguments that filter down into the electorate 789 00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:52,800 in a way. So I just wanted to you know, I just want 790 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,719 to say, like, just because I don't vote, I how can I 791 00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:59,679 say this. I am not helpful for the I'm not here to help anyone 792 00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:01,079 that's not you know what I'm saying. I don't never get that. I'm 793 01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:05,360 not here to be a Republican. I think Republicans have been terrible for years, 794 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,840 just like all the populis. I know. I just think that the 795 01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:12,079 sort of subtext is, Oh, if the Republican Party wants to succeed, 796 01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:14,960 it would pick this person or that person, or it would nominate this person 797 01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:19,039 or that person. But frequently those claims are coming from people who don't vote 798 01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:22,360 Republican. Let me ask you this, then want to vote republic So people 799 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,880 are like, hey, we have union. You know, we're just opening 800 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,239 the party up to new people. But yet you wouldn't open the party up, 801 01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:32,840 you know, like if the pick had been Youngkin or someone like that, 802 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,679 everyone, all you guys would be melting down because he not me personally, 803 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:43,119 but all right, others MBD would be melting down because you'd be reaching 804 01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,199 out to a group of people that you hate, not you populists hate more 805 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,480 than they hate Democrats. Jade Vance likes Bernie Sanders better than he likes Mitt 806 01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:54,960 Romney or whoever. In my opinion, well that makes him a normal PERSONA 807 01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:59,840 Okay, I don't think so. I think specialists are terrible. Yeah, 808 01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:06,679 so that's problematic for me. I was making a comment on Willard Mitt Romney 809 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,400 or whatever his name is. So I'm also not much of a Republican by 810 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,360 the way, so I'm not here to help the Republican Party or anything like 811 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,480 that. But I think for a lot of Americans, they look for political 812 01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:23,880 parties they look, what they want their political party to do is to achieve 813 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:30,599 their goals. And sometimes I feel like the punnit classes alienated from what the 814 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,320 people want. And by the way, I'm in both parties on that, 815 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:42,519 and people want a Republican party that wins and one that serves the interests of 816 01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:45,119 a large group of people, and they have been frustrated. Now, I'm 817 01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:50,719 not saying there will be a guarantee of success this year, or that twenty 818 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,239 sixteen wasn't something of a fluke. You know that twenty twenty was a failure, 819 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,880 that twenty twelve, twenty two thousand eight. You know, there are 820 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,000 ups and downs here. But I do think that people can get a little 821 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:08,360 bit too impractical about what people are actually hoping for in elections. They want 822 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,599 relief from certain things, so they want improvements in certain areas. They want 823 01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:19,360 a strong economy, and we should just be cognizant of that as we talk 824 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,239 about these issues, and that we should care more about whether the people who 825 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,400 are in power are responsive to the needs and concerns of the people who elected 826 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:32,760 them. That's a nice thing to say, but I disagree. I think 827 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:39,719 our job is to just I think our job is to speak the truth as 828 01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:43,199 we see it. I'm happy to disagree with people. I try not to 829 01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:46,199 throw at it around at hominems. I know this is naval gazing, but 830 01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:50,119 I'm not, you know, I hate you know. This is what we 831 01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:52,000 do. We're supposed to have these arguments. We're not part of a political 832 01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:58,400 party. Like, if you don't like what the Mitch McConnell is doing, 833 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,800 you speak out. And if I don't like a Jada Advance is doing, 834 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,599 I speak out. And this isn't personal. I think I don't know jd 835 01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:07,039 Vance personally. I'm sure he thinks he's doing what's best I guess for people, 836 01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,159 but I think he's wrong. And yeah, I was actually thinking about 837 01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,559 that. By the way, I'm glad you said that, because I think 838 01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:16,119 it's an important thing. And this is also why you're such a valuable voice 839 01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:22,519 because of the way you view these issues. I do know jd Vance, 840 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,880 and I was wondering how much of my support for him being the nominee is 841 01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:32,880 rooted in kind of what I know about him personally, and how yeah, 842 01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:36,480 and how weird that is, because sometimes it's easy. It is why you 843 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:37,960 should never make not know these people. Yeah, I was just thinking that 844 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,639 you can just be much more, you can just go based on what they 845 01:03:40,639 --> 01:03:45,960 say in public. And very early on I became friends with like some local 846 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,119 politician, and then it was very difficult to write the columns I needed to 847 01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:51,639 write, and them like I just won't be friends with them anymore, which 848 01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:54,639 is so weird. Did you know life? That was in Bob Novak's book 849 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,679 Prince of Darkness. Really he said that early in his reporting career, he's 850 01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:01,800 insane Lewis, and he said a bar, he has a great time with 851 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,599 this guy, and at the end of the night they exchange names and he 852 01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:09,719 realizes the guy that he just had a great time drinking with was the person 853 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,400 he'd written quite critically of. And he said that the lesson he learned was 854 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,159 don't make friends. And the first time I read that, I was like, 855 01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:19,960 that's horrible, And then I think I've told this story stupidly on this 856 01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:25,519 before. But then I kind of realized not having my base of friends be 857 01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:30,480 in you know, like cable TV, or in journalism or in politics has 858 01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:34,159 been a godsend to me because my real friends don't care what I do. 859 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,719 They don't even know politics necessarily, you know, we just don't talk about 860 01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:44,519 it that much. And if my friends were all people that worked in the 861 01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:47,960 business that I did, it would be hard. So you said something about 862 01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:53,599 JD not being a legitimate man of the people or working class, and he 863 01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:58,719 did make a ton of money after Yale law school, right, I mean, 864 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,440 or so I understand, and he is a Yale educated attorney. I 865 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,159 mean, this is not what you'd think of as a down on the farm 866 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:12,199 kind of person, but I do think And did you read Hillbilly Elergy. 867 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,400 Yeah, okay, which, by the way, I loved Hillbilly Ellergy until 868 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,119 the part where he sells out and becomes the man. First half, I 869 01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:23,800 was like, I love this dude, and then he became this like awful 870 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,360 ivy league person and I didn't like it from that. I love people who 871 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:34,480 climb the ladder of an American dream. But he really did have a childhood 872 01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:41,400 that causes him to identify with the forgotten man, and that resonates with me 873 01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:44,800 because the way I grew up, I had very well educated parents, but 874 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,280 we were not wealthy, and we were living in places where we had a 875 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:54,000 lot of interaction with people who weren't wealthy, and it is something that just 876 01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:56,920 stays with me so much. I mean I think about it literally every time 877 01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,639 I'm on television and people are annoying me with whatever they're saying, I'm always 878 01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:03,920 thinking about those people I grew up with and what and what their concerns are. 879 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,360 So I like that about him, and I like that about anybody. 880 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,719 You don't have to be poor or have been raised poor to care about the 881 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,000 poor. But I do love when people care about these people, either personally 882 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,519 or politically or otherwise. And I just wish more Americans would. Yeah, 883 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,960 yeah, I mean, I'm not attacking. I'm sure he cares about the 884 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,360 poor, and the history is amazing and he served and all that, so 885 01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:29,039 you know, he's an honorable man. I'm not saying I listed. Oh 886 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,840 one of my mildcare friends was saying he would be the first enlisted man in 887 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:39,400 the office of the Presidency. That's interesting, and you know, I don't 888 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,159 like, yeah, whatever I grew like. Here's my story, right, 889 01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:48,280 My parents were immigrants. I was very young. They were poor, you 890 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,639 know what I mean, But then you know, they got to the middle 891 01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:54,280 class and they worked their way up, and to me, I see that 892 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,159 trajectory. No one helped them other than on their own sweat and you know, 893 01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:02,000 work and where ethic and all that. So this idea that government needs 894 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:08,079 to come help everyone bothers me. Have you read Shopcraft as White shop? 895 01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,920 I tried. Did you like that book? Loved it? And I was 896 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,039 just thinking that you should read that and learn how to why why romanticizing? 897 01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:19,960 All right? I feel like I feel like this podcast is going to get 898 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,880 me in a lot of trouble. That's what I like. Oh my gosh, 899 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,400 David. I was just like, I hope people understood that I was 900 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,400 joking about the calm down your inspiraling stuff. I'm sure people are going to 901 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,400 complain about that. That's all right. I'm so sorry. I don't I 902 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,840 don't mind. Like I was talking. One guy is like, I'm talking 903 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,840 about the working class whatever and showing a chart and he just puts a giant 904 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,760 picture of me up, handsome fella. He is like, but not a 905 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,280 person we would ever listen to about the working class. I'm like, you 906 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,639 don't even know any just because I'm a white dude, middle class, I 907 01:07:49,639 --> 01:07:53,039 mean, a middle aged white dude. All right, you want to talk 908 01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:54,840 do you want to talk about culture? Oh? Wait, we have one 909 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,119 other thing or no, we've got to go. This is the longest ever, 910 01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:03,239 and I don't really have any I've been I'm slowing down even more on 911 01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:06,159 my Bible reading because I'm so near the end. So that's what I've been 912 01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:11,239 doing. I'm in third Peter, which is like one chapter long, and 913 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,159 there's just two more books after that. Yeah, I've just been busy, 914 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,479 all right. Yeah, the Issues et cetera conference was what I did culturally 915 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,079 this weekend. So good. I'll be very quick. Do you ever see 916 01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:27,279 Absence of Malice? I feel like you may have spoken about it. Sally 917 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,079 Field's Paul Newman. Now, it's about a newspaper reporter. You should watch 918 01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:36,680 this movie because it's incredibly anti journalist, Like this reporter uses something that's given 919 01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:42,439 to them by the authorities to destroy someone's life, and they don't ask enough 920 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,600 questions about why they have this file and what it's about. And Paul Newman's 921 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,159 in it. I'm not going to tell you like my style. Yeah. 922 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:54,439 Second thing I saw was The Paper, which is a mediocre Ron Howard movie 923 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:59,560 about a New York newspaper made in the nineties with like Michael Keaton and Murissitome 924 01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:01,439 love that movie. I know it's not great, but if you care, 925 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,760 you know, like newspapers. And then I watched Hotsucker Proxy again. I 926 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:10,560 haven't seen it in like twenty years. Cohen Brothers movie. Wouldn't say it's 927 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,039 one of their best, but it was fun. Have you ever seen it? 928 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,319 I have seen it. I love it, and I'm writing down these 929 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:18,840 other movies that we can make sure we watch it. And also I'd recommended 930 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:24,119 the Judge and a bunch of people emailed say that they watch it and loved 931 01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:27,760 it, and so I'm glad that I did that right. I'm going to 932 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:32,920 go now and edit this podcast to sound less hysterical, but I will be 933 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,279 hysterical again next week, almost surely. And until then, everyone being lovers 934 01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:49,640 of freedom and anxious