1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:32,000 in the UK and around the world. Hey everybody, we're here, alive 3 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:37,880 and thrive in Toronto, the most culturally diverse city in the world, home 4 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,960 of Blue Jay's Raptors May Belief. Send Canadian psychic Robert Lindsay Mill. That's 5 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:49,119 me, Welcome to my side of the Crystal Ball. My guest tonight is 6 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,439 Jim Harrold. So who's Jim Harrold? You say, well, that's what 7 00:00:54,479 --> 00:01:00,880 I said. Just a little while ago I first met Jim My pblicists arranged 8 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,840 for me to be on his podcast the year ago September. It was one 9 00:01:03,879 --> 00:01:08,959 of the first ones I appeared on when when I was coming out of my 10 00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:23,680 semi retirement. I was struck with his manners, his politeness, the respect 11 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:30,359 that he showed, the obvious intelligence, and the low key way he went 12 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:38,239 about his work and his interviews. It was a respectful interview and I was 13 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:45,040 really impressed with the professionalism of it, in fact, quite surprised for a 14 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:51,200 podcast. A little while later, like just a few weeks ago, I 15 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:56,000 was booked on his show again, and once again I had the same feelings, 16 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,760 and at the end of the show I asked him would he come on 17 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:05,680 my side of the crystal ball, and he agreed. I had no idea 18 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:09,159 his background, And did you know that since two thousand and five up until 19 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:15,439 now. While first of all, Jim is a pioneer in his field a 20 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:20,199 paranormal podcasts, and since two thousand and five and up until now, his 21 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:27,719 shows, his videos, his work have been downloaded sixty million times, I 22 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,159 know sixty millions. So we're going to be talking to Jim throughout the whole 23 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:37,039 show, and Jim, of course is in the experts chair tonight. Before 24 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,759 we do, though, have a couple of requests. If you're watching us 25 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:46,400 on YouTube, please like, comment and subscribe. You know, recently we 26 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:53,319 went past the thousand subscriber mark and that got us some ratings, so please 27 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:59,719 subscribe to more. It will help us get higher and higher in the ratings 28 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,240 and then we can do more and better shows. If you can also find 29 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:12,879 us on Apple, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere else you would be hearing 30 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,520 your podcast. If you would like to get in touch with me personally, 31 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:23,159 you can find me on my website www dot Robert Lindsay Milm dot com. 32 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:30,199 You can also find me on Instagram, Facebook and TikTok. And now, 33 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:45,120 without further ado, let's start off with ww r S. In our last 34 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:51,479 episode, I in WWRS I was talking about how can you do a reading 35 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,360 for somebody when you're in Toronto and they're they're in Australia. And what I 36 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:01,680 did is I started off with sharing how I learned how to do those things 37 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:08,719 before I knew what those things were, what they would be called. I 38 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,919 just simply learned how to do those things. And the way that I learned 39 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:17,199 how to do it was I just did it. So I came up with 40 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,720 an idea, can I do a reading? If I can do a reading 41 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:25,240 for somebody in front of me? Could I do a reading for somebody on 42 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:30,199 the telephone? And I explained how all that happened. And then I thought, 43 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,000 okay, if I can do a reading on the telephone, could I 44 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:38,480 do a reading on the telephone on the radio for someone? And again the 45 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,839 only way to find out was to go on the radio, be on the 46 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:47,160 telephone and do a psychic reading. And that's how it happened. So I 47 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:54,319 still didn't figure out what it was what I was doing. There were no 48 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:59,680 words in those days that would describe what I was doing. And most people 49 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,720 were astonished by being able to do a psychic reading on how could you do 50 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:13,160 that? Because everyone and me too in those days was thinking outwardly, So 51 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:21,160 of course somebody in Australia, you can't tune into them just by looking out. 52 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:28,519 What you have to do is look inward. Now I didn't realize. 53 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,759 I didn't. I didn't think about going inward. I just did what I 54 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:40,639 did naturally. I tuned inward, look look, looked inward and tuned it 55 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:45,680 there now And I didn't even realize that I was doing that. So I 56 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,079 did lots of readings on the telephone, got practiced, and then I did 57 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:58,000 psychic readings after that on the telephone on the radio, and continue doing it 58 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,560 for a long time. And I stretched that town. So now we come 59 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:09,279 back to here we are. How do you describe that I tune into? 60 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:12,360 Well, what do I tune into? I tune into myself. But you 61 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:18,040 see, I like everything on the planet. I suppose everything in the universe, 62 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:24,920 but everything on this planet. We're all connected. We're connected with all 63 00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:30,680 the living beings on the planet. We're all intertwined. We're connected with all 64 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,680 the parts of the planet, and in order for us to get to a 65 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:44,040 part of the planet, we can just simply look inward rather than growing there 66 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:55,319 physically outward. When two people are in tune connected, you don't have to 67 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,240 be in front of them. You'll use the same technique of doing a reading 68 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:09,519 or connecting in front of somebody as you'll do looking inward, connecting and being 69 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:16,079 psychic that way, because they're both the same. I remember my friend George, 70 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:21,959 remember my mentor from forty plus years ago. In one of his lectures 71 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:29,680 he started off with in psychic things, there is no distance because there isn't 72 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,000 because you're not outward, you're inward. So that does you know there was 73 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:39,639 hard to understand. Back in those days. We still had to dial the 74 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:45,360 telephone. It was still attached to the wall. Is very different than today. 75 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,079 So another way to say, how can you do a reading for somebody 76 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:57,519 when they're not in front of you? In psychic things, there is no 77 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:05,800 distance. On the Internet, there is no distance, So we can talk 78 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:13,480 to somebody in Australia from Toronto, or we can talk to somebody across the 79 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:22,759 street online unlike zoom video, we can talk to them and It takes the 80 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:30,360 same amount of time, the same amount of effort to see someone in Australia 81 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:35,759 as it does in Toronto, and it just once again proves that we are 82 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:43,279 all connected and we are all one. And when we pray, we go 83 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:48,639 inward, When we think, when we go inward, when we feel, 84 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:56,759 we go inward. It all comes from within. And when things come through 85 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,720 us, they first come from then. So how can you do It's ichic 86 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,960 greeting for somebody in Australia, if you're in Toronto, or montrealo New Yorker, 87 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:15,360 anywhere. Simply go inward, tune into those feelings that you would feel 88 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,879 if they were in front of you. It really is that simple, and 89 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:31,519 that's what Robert has to say today. It's two thousand and five. Let 90 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,440 imagine, let's the autumn of two thousand and five, seventeen years ago, 91 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:43,399 and all of a sudden you decide you're going to do a podcast, And 92 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:54,120 seventeen years later, your podcast, The Paranormal Podcast and Jim Harold's Campfire has 93 00:09:54,159 --> 00:10:03,240 been downloaded sixty million times. Your shows are in the top one percent of 94 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:09,759 the most successful, the most watched, and the most viewed. Imagine if 95 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:16,600 I would have done a reading for you in September of two thousand and five, 96 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:18,679 and I would have said those things to you. What would you have 97 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:24,559 said? I say, WHOA, are you sure you gotta? You need 98 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:31,320 to polish the crystal ball a little bit that Now. The thing is is 99 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,440 that now I one minor corrections, more listened to, because my shows are 100 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:41,240 primarily I understand, I understand you're listened to. Okay, but but I 101 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,399 do some things on YouTube but just it's more of a kind of dabbling than 102 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:52,039 it's been anything serious. But but I would have been shocked to know that 103 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:58,200 I've had the opportunity now for ten years in June will be ten years I've 104 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,360 been able to do this full time is my profession. That would have blown 105 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:05,919 me away. And then in fact the numbers you mentioned, um yeah, 106 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,960 I would have been, as our British friends say, I would have been 107 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:15,759 gobsmacked to think, yeah, wow, So where did you come up with 108 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:18,120 this idea? Because you know, I'm thinking back to two thousand and five 109 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:24,679 and I'm thinking of the computer that I had had like eight gigabytes hard drive. 110 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:28,120 You know, everyone's gone, whoa, you know, so, um, 111 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,000 how did that happen? Well, I had worked. See, I'd 112 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,080 gone to school for broadcasting, okay, and it was going to be my 113 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:43,320 primary focus was actually television. And back in the day, really before the 114 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,720 Internet took hold, I started to go out into the work world in the 115 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:52,080 early nineties. They always said, hey, get call letters on your resume. 116 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,600 If you want to work in radio or television, work at any station. 117 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,000 You can get into sweeping the floor whatever. So I ended up working 118 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:07,039 at a radio station, and as life often happens to you, I started 119 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,399 looking around and I was a sales assistant. So I so this wasn't like 120 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:18,120 in WABC AM in downtown New York, Manhattans Cleveland, Cleveland, which is 121 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:22,759 actually a major is considered a major radio market, but it's not New York. 122 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:28,000 It's not Louis, Los Angeles, and uh. But I was at 123 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:31,480 a you know, a classical music station. So it wasn't a top rated 124 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,519 station, but very accomplished in its field though I think maybe the first station 125 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:41,360 ever on the internet, strangely enough. But anyhow, I started looking around 126 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,519 and it's like, well, the salespeople make this much, and the the 127 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,639 on air people make this much, and yeah, I get to write commercials 128 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:50,720 and do fun stuff. Maybe I'll just try the sales thing out for a 129 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:56,840 while. Well, you know, I worked there for a while as a 130 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,720 salesperson, was pretty successful, went to other stations. Not like it, 131 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:03,919 but I was kind of into it, you know, when you get yeah, 132 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,720 yeah, you're like, I gotta do this. Because by that time, 133 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:11,080 I picked up a fiance who became a wife. We had two kids. 134 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,320 So in the time frame your talk about two thousand and five, I 135 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,279 am a salesperson for a radio station. Actually he had gone back to that 136 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:24,080 station as a salesperson for a second time. I had two kids, I 137 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:30,759 had a mortgage, married, you know, a younger father, and it's 138 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:35,679 like I couldn't just go off to Paduca and chase my dream of broadcasting. 139 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:37,399 I was in my thirties at that point, so it's like, this is 140 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,679 never going to happen for me. And then I heard about this thing called 141 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:46,960 podcasting. I heard a guy who used to be on MTV, Adam Curry. 142 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:50,679 He started podcasting, and Leo Laporte, who was a great tech journalist. 143 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:56,159 And because I always love talk radio, I started listening to them online 144 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,279 and I listened to him. It's like, oh my gosh, these guys 145 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:03,399 are trained, long time broadcasters. I could never do what they do. 146 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,519 But then I heard there were people doing these shows themselves, these podcasts, 147 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:11,240 and I said, well, I can't do what those guys are doing, 148 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,679 but I can do what these other people are doing. And to your point 149 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,600 about the old computer, I had like a crummy computer. I built myself 150 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:24,039 a Windows computer. It had, you know, I think I had a 151 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,559 thirty dollars headset, which at that point with my economics, was a stretch 152 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:33,039 for me. And I just started doing it for fun. And the way 153 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,960 I came up on the idea for the show was, you know, as 154 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,080 a kid, I grew up with in Search of with Leonard Nimoy, and 155 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,759 I always of course listened to Coast to Coast AM with the great late Art 156 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:50,840 Bell and so forth, and I didn't see hardly anything out there in terms 157 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,840 of I mean, podcasts were brand new. They really kind of started in 158 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:58,320 two thousand four. I would say this was two thousand and five. Nobody 159 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:03,840 knew what they were. And I said, you know, I'll do this, 160 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,159 and it'll just be for fun, you know, I'll do a couple 161 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,840 shows, you know, a month, and and I'll just do this for 162 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:15,360 fun. If I can't be a professional broadcast, or I can do this 163 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:20,200 for my own enjoyment. Plus, I picked the paranormal because I couldn't really 164 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,480 add anything in politics. You can't do music, sports, I mean, 165 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:24,840 what am I going to add? What do I know about sports? But 166 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:28,279 when it comes to the paranormal. In some ways, I believe none of 167 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:35,399 us are really truly experts. We're all seekers, We're all trying to find 168 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,279 the way. And I was just a guy trying to find his way and 169 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,879 talk to some of the great thinkers. So I've did that show and lo 170 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,559 and behold, people start to listen. This was the paranormal podcast, right, 171 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,840 that's the original. Yeah, we can still do to this day. 172 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,919 That's the one that I've been on. Yeah, and and and it's it's 173 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:00,320 it's also the thing is is that it's it's also situation where I got to 174 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:07,600 interview great people who knew a lot more about this stuff, And you know, 175 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:12,679 it's it's one of those things where I was amazed that I was able 176 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:15,320 to get these people. It was so early. People would say, like 177 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,000 I got Stanton Friedman, who was really the guy who broke open the Roswell 178 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,840 case. Of the Roswell UFO case. I got people like Lloyd Auerbach, 179 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:27,320 who was a great parapsychologist. And I was getting these great guests, and 180 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:30,879 they had no idea what a podcast was. It's like a pod. What 181 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:37,320 is this? Yeah? Sure? And my professional situation changed. I got 182 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,480 a managerial job, so I had less time to dedicate, but I still 183 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,399 kept a hand in it. And then two thousand and eight, I had 184 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:47,679 gotten a job. I thought, this is the job. This is going 185 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,600 to be the dream job that's gonna catapult me to whatever management or whatever at 186 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,960 a higher level. And I had been there for three or four months, 187 00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:00,399 and I thought, you know, I don't know that this is going to 188 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,279 be the job that catapults me. This was two thousand and eight, and 189 00:17:03,319 --> 00:17:08,000 I'll never forget. I was sitting at my daughter's tea ball game listening to 190 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:11,799 another podcast, which I don't know if that makes me a bad dad or 191 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:17,400 a good dad, but anyway, and I heard somebody had a sponsor, 192 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,160 and I thought to myself, you know, I really ought to try this 193 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,759 because people keep asking I'd been a while since I published a show, and 194 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:26,720 I said, you know, I really ought to get serious about this. 195 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,160 So I said, tell my wife, for six months, I'm going to 196 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,440 put out a show every single week, and we'll see what happens. At 197 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,400 the end of that six months, I got my first sponsor, and then 198 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,400 more and more people started tuning in. Then I started Jim Harold's Campfire, 199 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,400 which is my most successful podcast. Started that in two thousand and nine. 200 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,720 That's where people call in with their experiences, and honestly, I think that's 201 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:55,880 where I provide the most value is through that show. And it grew and 202 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,799 it grew, and in twenty twelve, I told my wife, I said, 203 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:02,240 I think I want to quit my full time job and give this a 204 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:06,480 go full time, and bless her, she gave me the green light, 205 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:10,599 and I did it, and neither of us have ever regretted it. The 206 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,599 shows grow. I mean, I'm not to use a name that everybody's familiar 207 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,359 with these days. I'm not Joe Rogan. I'm not to that level. 208 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:22,119 I'm not independently wealthy, but I make a living for my family, and 209 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,880 I hope that I provide some good information, some good entertainment, some good 210 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,920 thought provoking material for people, because I think so many of us struggle with 211 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:36,440 these questions. You know, what's the afterlife about? What is this CUFO 212 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:40,440 thing all about? What are ghosts? I don't know that I've ever come 213 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:44,559 up any with our heart and fast answers, but I think even having the 214 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:49,799 conversation is a good thing, and most importantly, having a place where people 215 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:55,960 to share their experiences pretty much unfiltered. I don't say make it spooky or 216 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:00,519 make it scary. I say tell me your story and that's it. And 217 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,920 I think that's really important to be authentic to people's experiences and not try to 218 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:07,240 gin them up or those kind of things. Just tell me what happened to 219 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:12,200 you, and and they do. And that, which I thought was going 220 00:19:12,279 --> 00:19:17,920 to be a nice little side podcast, has really been the one that's my 221 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,359 most popular. I think resonates with people the most. Jim Hamid Campfire The 222 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:30,079 Campfire. Now you've also written five books or six, well I'm working on 223 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,480 six. I gotta get six out. But they've been compilations of what I 224 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:37,640 think are some of the best, most outstanding campfire stories. And what we 225 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,480 do is we basically take the transcriptions of those and we clean them up and 226 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:45,880 write them in story for them, but we don't embellish them and we don't 227 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,480 add things. And that's what we've done with five of those books. Each 228 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:56,240 book has about seventy stories in it. Does any stories just come to mind 229 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:03,279 if I one of the just one of the more fascinating stories, aren't that 230 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,400 you've heard. I think the most fascinating stories a little bit lengthy, but 231 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,240 I think it's worth it. From a listener by the name of Ti up 232 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,799 in Michigan, and she's still a listener, And actually you can see this 233 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:22,039 on YouTube. Prior to the pandemic, I felt so strongly about her story. 234 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:26,000 As I'm in Ohio, I traveled up to Michigan with a videographer and 235 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:29,680 we did a segment with her. And her story has never changed. I 236 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,960 think she probably told this story, oh gosh, had to be at least 237 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,519 ten years ago, if not longer. And her story was is that her 238 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,880 and her friend she was up She's originally from Michigan, but she was visiting 239 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,279 Wisconsin. She went with a friend. They went to see a band. 240 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,799 I know it was kind of in a very kind of rural area, so 241 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,240 they went off. They watched this band. They closed the place, and 242 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:59,319 they were musicians as well, so they were talking with the band about gigs 243 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,200 indifferent things, because I guess she came up to this area every summer and 244 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:10,039 they got ready to leave, and it was her and her friend Bob, 245 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,079 and they were driving, and they had about an hour ago till they got 246 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,240 back to the They must have been staying at a campground or something. So 247 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:22,160 anyway, she gets a few minutes down the road and she says, you 248 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,920 know, I've really got to go to the restroom. And Bob says, 249 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,960 well, you know, it's two thirty eight, three o'clock in the morning. 250 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,920 There's not gonna be anything open. There's always the bushes, right, 251 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:36,319 and and she said, no, that's how okay, just drive fast. 252 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:41,480 So they go down the road a little bit and they see this bar, 253 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,119 this roadhouse. I had a big sign said the Roadhouse Saloon. But the 254 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,960 weird thing was, this is after three o'clock in the morning. You know, 255 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,440 bars are supposed to be closed then, but it was wide open. 256 00:21:52,559 --> 00:22:00,759 And the car there were cars in the parking lot. Neon sign you tell 257 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:02,640 the place was up. And they say, hey, let's not look a 258 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,480 gift horse in the mouth. Let's go in there. So she went in 259 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,160 and she was talking to her friend Bob as they were going and said, 260 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,960 glad I'm here Bob. Bob said, because he's an artist, and said, 261 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,119 they have a mural. I've heard, like an old West mural where 262 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,480 they have cowboys and this saloon scene and I've heard a lot about but I've 263 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,680 never seen it. So anyway, they go in, u t I goes 264 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,640 to the restroom, comes back. Bob has gotten them a couple of beers 265 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:37,079 and they're they're talking and everybody's looking at them kind of strangely, kind of 266 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,720 like with a blank expression, kind of almost smiling, kind of like this. 267 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:48,119 I thought, that's very odd. So then they they haven't there's an 268 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,880 old Woodtzer jukebox, a bubbler jukebox with vinyl on it, you know, 269 00:22:53,000 --> 00:23:00,519 the remember them? Yeah, and uh. A gentleman comes up a TI 270 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,880 and he smiles and she said all of his teeth were rotten, and he 271 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,920 asked her to dance, and t I walked with a cane, and she 272 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,079 showed him a cane and said, I you know, I don't dance a 273 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:17,559 lot, and she said she was thankful she had that came to beg on. 274 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:23,079 Yeah, So he so he went and he played Chubby checkers. Let's 275 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,200 twist again on the on the jukebox, and that'll come into play a little 276 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,880 bit later. And they're looking around and they're looking at this mural and something 277 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:40,920 peculiar. They noticed that everybody in the mural looks like a real person. 278 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,519 In the bar, there's kind of a woman who looks like a dance hall 279 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:51,599 girl to use an expression, olden expression. And there's a woman right there 280 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,160 who looks just like there's a couple of guys at a table playing cards in 281 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,039 the mural, and there's a couple of guys sitting at the table who looked 282 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:00,720 just like these guys. And they thought, well, you know what, 283 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,480 the artist probably was regular here. These are probably regulars. This is an 284 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,359 homage to them. So anyway, there's these swinging doors in the picture, 285 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:18,400 like from the old Western movies, if you remember those were the gunslinger walks 286 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,160 in and says, I want to see the sheriff for whoever he wants to 287 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,839 see and shoot. And they were talking about and the place just had a 288 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,799 weird vibe again, the people kind of blankly staring looking at them but not 289 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,759 talking, not engaging, just kind of weird. And they noticed something when 290 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,640 they're looking at the mural at those doors, they noticed like a couple of 291 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:47,759 misty columns, But they didn't notice that when they came in, and they 292 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,079 go back to talking a little bit more and they look back up and the 293 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,039 columns are there that weren't there before, but now they're more defined. One 294 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:03,839 is significantly taller than the I think that's weird. Did you see that when 295 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,319 you came in? No, I didn't see that. And then they look 296 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,400 back up and it's developing like a polaroid picture almost if you remember those a 297 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:18,119 man and a woman and the man is significantly taller than the woman. They 298 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:25,240 notice the woman has curly hair. TI has curly hair. Then't I know? 299 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,480 The woman has boots on and TI has boots on, And then they 300 00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:34,480 know, getting a shiver down like I don't know why. Then the woman. 301 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:40,319 Then they notice the woman has a cane and TI has a cane. 302 00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:42,839 They realize that they're seeing themselves develop into the picture, and they said, 303 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,519 okay, let's get out of here. They get up to go out, 304 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:51,839 and the people start beckoning them back, come back, come back, and 305 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,119 they go, now, that's but that would be weird. But it gets 306 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,599 weirder, so they closed the door. TI says, there's like darkness and 307 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,759 the place is totally closed up. And when they turn around to go back 308 00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:08,160 into the parking lot, they're not cars. There is a car, the 309 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,400 car they came in, and they get out of there. Now it gets 310 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,440 even stranger. TI, being a much braver soul than I am, she 311 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,480 said, you know, nobody believes me. I'm telling my friends and family 312 00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:25,720 about this. They think I'm you know, imagining things. I'm gonna go 313 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:27,680 back. So I think she got a friend or a sister one night, 314 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,759 and it was it wasn't granted it wasn't two or three o'clock in the morning. 315 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:40,920 They went to seven or eight at night and they went in and she 316 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,640 saw a woman there tending bar, and she came in started talking to her. 317 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:51,200 She said, you know, I was here the other night. You 318 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,119 know, it was the joint was jumping. There are a lot of people 319 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,240 here, said man, there was this really good looking, strong, strapping 320 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:03,160 young bartender behind the bar, muscles, you know, look like I said, 321 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,880 Iowa farm boy, that kind of thing. And the girl said, 322 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,720 I'm sorry, but the only people that bartend here me and my elderly father. 323 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,480 And then T I thought well, that's weird. And then she sees 324 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,839 a jukebox. But the only thing that was weird, Robert, is that 325 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,759 it was not a wurlitz Er jukebox with vinyl in it. It was a 326 00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:32,400 modern jukebox with CDs and oh no, Chubby Checker, No, let's twist 327 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:38,000 again. And with that, Ti decided to leave, and she left the 328 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:45,599 mystery the Roadhouse Saloon Forever. Now here's the kicker to that. Even this 329 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:53,079 place exists, Yes, and I have had people send me photos of it, 330 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,880 and there is a mural. It's a real place. So that's that 331 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,319 was to me that maybe the most memorable campfire story we've ever had. It 332 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,440 really does sound like something out of the Twilight Zone. Some of the and 333 00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:10,559 not all the stories are like that. Most of them, not most of 334 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:15,400 them are not simpler. But that was so what is Tia? Is that? 335 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,519 Ti? Um? What does she think that was about? Or what 336 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,279 do you think that was about? Well? I think when we talked, 337 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:27,799 I mean, the only thing we could come was like some kind of portal, 338 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,559 you know, to another reality or something. Had she stayed there, 339 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,279 could she have been stuck with those people? I think that's some speculation she 340 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,440 had I don't know. That was one of my thoughts when I do think 341 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:47,680 and doing the camp Fire Show, and at this point it's thousands of stories 342 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,960 because we've done I think I just put out um trying to remember the exact 343 00:28:52,039 --> 00:29:00,640 number, the five hundred and forty third episode last week. So every show 344 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:07,720 has multiple stories. So I've literally heard thousands of stories. But kicking this 345 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:12,000 around all this time, hearing all these stories, I believe reality is a 346 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:19,319 lot stranger than we realize sometimes, and that you know, it's like in 347 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,599 the old days, people used to believe in ether or they may have believed 348 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,640 in things that didn't particularly make sense, but they didn't pick up on things 349 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,880 that did make sense. For example, DNA has always existed, but people 350 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,680 back in the day didn't know it existed. So I do believe in a 351 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,000 spiritual world. I believe that is a real thing. But I also think 352 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:48,519 that we don't quite have the reality of a reality down, if you know 353 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,759 what I'm saying. I think, so, yeah, reality is strange, 354 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:57,599 and what's really going on in the universe, I think is stranger than we 355 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:07,000 realize. Do you believe in um other type of worldly beings? So we're 356 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:12,119 the so we're these people in that bar? Were they worldly beings that were 357 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:18,480 there at three o'clock in the morning? Were worldly beings meaning being different than 358 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:23,559 say human, but look like them or look like us'. I've recently interviewed 359 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:30,799 someone who does deals with fairies and things like that, and I was just 360 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:37,400 wondering, are they worldly? You know, worldly beings aren't human, they're 361 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,799 a different race, but they could look like us. I'd never thought about 362 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:45,160 that. I thought more like it was an alternate reality or something that there 363 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,640 had been. You know, I had a story one time of somebody who 364 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,319 was a little kid, um and this is a very simple short story, 365 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,839 but they were across the street from m McDonald's. This is probably twenty years 366 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,720 ago, when she was a little kid and she walks, uh, she's 367 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,640 you know, she's running to the McDonald's because she's a little kid and she 368 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,319 wants a milkshake, and all of a sudden, she runs into this very 369 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,960 kind of taciturn looking man with a top hat that looked like he was out 370 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,839 of time, and he just looked at her like someone you would see in 371 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,039 a movie, kind of like the way I pictured it. If you remember 372 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:27,599 that old actor John Carradine, you know, have a top hat and looked 373 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,359 just very angry when she ran into him and looked at him, and then 374 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,680 she ran by and looked back and he was gone. So sometimes I wonder 375 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:41,519 if we like cross with these other realities. Maybe they're human, but if 376 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,480 they're they're from another time or place. And another person call in who has 377 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:51,119 been a listener to the show for years, who said that basically she was 378 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,319 walking one day and she walked into another reality that was of a past time, 379 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:02,160 in the same neighborhood and everything, and then walked just as easily back 380 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:07,599 into this reality. So sometimes I think that weird things happen where they're portals 381 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:13,079 and things to other times or maybe alternate universes. You know, a lot 382 00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:19,359 of scientists believe that the multiverse is a real thing, so those are possibilities. 383 00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:22,400 But I hate to say this, Robert, I have done thousands of 384 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,279 shows. I mean, if you count all the different shows I do, 385 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:30,480 it's been over two thousand episodes, probably closer to twenty six hundred episodes. 386 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:37,279 I don't know, and it's it's annoying, but I think sometimes you have 387 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:45,359 to live with the mystery of it. It's it's a tough thing. I 388 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:54,119 don't think anybody knows, even those that do it, I don't think they 389 00:32:54,839 --> 00:33:02,559 really know what they're doing. They're just as you've done all these podcasts, 390 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:09,640 You've received all this information, all these experiences, and when you put it 391 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:16,079 all together, you just don't know. Well, one day our essence or 392 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:22,680 not. One day our essence will will leave this body and then we'll go 393 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:27,680 to another level, I think. And when we do, then we'll see 394 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:34,680 and know these things, or we may not go anywhere, because nobody really 395 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,759 knows exactly what's going to happen when we have shuffled off our multi mortal coil. 396 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,680 Right. It's and I realized that a long long time ago, and 397 00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:51,119 you know, I was coming to terms with what God was, and then 398 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,160 I realized one day that, hey, wait a minute, nobody's really come 399 00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:00,920 back as themselves. So we don't know what happens after we die. We 400 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,799 have ideas, and we have what we want and want it to be, 401 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:10,320 but we really don't know. And it was at that point that I said, 402 00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:15,119 then my guess is just as good as about anybody else's, So I'm 403 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,920 just going to follow what I believe. Right. That makes that makes sense 404 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,840 to me, and I do believe in an afterlife. I mean, if 405 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,519 you look at flipping on my interview or hat my favorite subjects is that near 406 00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:35,320 death experiences and the hardcore skeptics who think tonnely materialistically that our brain is physical 407 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,119 one hundred and our mind is physical, and that when you die, you're 408 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:44,800 dead and you just have a big dirt nap. Where I think that falls 409 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,039 apart, just on a common sense level, for example, is the near 410 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:51,840 death experience. Now, people who have the near death experience, as many 411 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,840 of them, report the things like the tunnel of light, the life review, 412 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,440 self worth and so on, which you know, I don't want to 413 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,760 discount. Here's the thing that gets me that says there really is something to 414 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,639 this, not just the hallucinations of a dying brain and dopamine and different chemicals 415 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:15,320 being released. When somebody flatlines and they quote die and then they come back 416 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,639 and then they say, well, there was a medical team of three people 417 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,599 working on me, and they were doing this, and they were doing this, 418 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,800 and they were doing this. But all the things that experience or reports 419 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,679 seeing happened while they were dead or unconscious. How do they see that? 420 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,679 How do they know that, and those are the kind of things that I 421 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,039 think, you know, just from a common sense point of view, it's 422 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:52,199 not even faith to me says yes, there is an afterlife, what it 423 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,519 is, I don't know. I mean kind of my hope is. What 424 00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:00,199 I hope for is the great reunion, you know, and have a family 425 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,480 picnic with everybody. Wouldn't that being before? Yeah, that'd be a beautiful 426 00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,519 thing, wouldn't that being? But I don't know if that's that's what happens. 427 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,039 Another thing that interests me. I don't know if I quote believe in 428 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,840 it, but it does intrigue me as a reincarnation. If you look at 429 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,360 the work of people done by the late even Ian Stevenson or Jim B. 430 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:27,280 Tucker from the University of Virginia, some very very compelling cases about past life 431 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,679 experiences and so forth. So that's that's certainly food for thought. So Um, 432 00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:38,920 there's a lot out there, and I'm more convinced than ever that the 433 00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:44,840 other realms exist. I'm less certain of what they are if I kind of 434 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:52,199 put it in a nutshell. There's a fellow that he's a scientist. He 435 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,440 um is a media guy now, but but but his PhD. And he 436 00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:02,000 got his PhD and studying ATS. But I forget his first name. His 437 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:08,000 last name is Rifkin, and he appears on a lot of the big radio 438 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:15,440 stations and he does these little capsule comments. And I was listening to him 439 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:22,320 the other day and he was talking about an experiment that accidentally happened where somebody 440 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:27,960 had had died, but they had an eg they were attached to it. 441 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,480 It was just a coincidence. And after this being this person, this human 442 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:37,440 had died, their body was no longer working their heart and they had gone 443 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:49,639 into the decay. Their brain continued to process information even though the physical body 444 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,519 was dead. It was the body wasn't getting any oxygen or any feet, 445 00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:07,679 but the brain continued to process and almost like the brain was programmed to process 446 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:13,679 what had been experienced through its entire life, even though the physical body was 447 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,559 dead. And then they started doing more experiments. Now there's no conclusive results, 448 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,599 but it appears that many times when someone has died, their brain continues 449 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:31,920 to function even though they're they're they're not breathing and the physical body actually used 450 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,920 the knect but the brain continues to send or or or or it appears like 451 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,480 in the part of the brain where it's doing a thinking and an assessment. 452 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,480 Right. Well, it's interesting to me is the idea that your your brain, 453 00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:51,679 there's the brain in the mind and the colt analogy that I can use 454 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,719 as your computer. Okay, I have a computer here that has its own 455 00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:00,119 capabilities. If it's disconnected from the internet. However, you connected to the 456 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:06,760 Internet, Um, it really expands and can do so much more. And 457 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:13,320 I kind of wonder And this is not an original thought. I think Simonson 458 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,400 has talked about this. But the idea that you're and many other people that 459 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:25,039 you your brain and your universal mind or some people call it the what was 460 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:30,199 it the spiritual Internet or something I think called it. But but the idea 461 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:35,119 of the two working concert and that makes a lot of sense to me. 462 00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:39,039 And maybe what happens is and to your point, maybe in that scenario, 463 00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:46,400 is it possible that the contents of your brain are being uploaded to the metaphysical 464 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,639 cloud? Is it worth you know? Well that that is what the implication 465 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,360 was. Yeah, that's what that That is what he was saying. There 466 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,920 just wasn't enough scientific proof for him to say this is exactly what happened. 467 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:07,679 But he talked about that and it was a way of measuring and UM. 468 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,719 Then one of the other interviewers or or the host of the show said, 469 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,960 what effect would that have if we were UM keeping somebody physically alive just to 470 00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:25,480 harvest their their their organs. Would that interfere at the end life process? 471 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,039 And then that brought in all kinds of topics for an early Monday morning and 472 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:38,280 they stopped it. But but that was just something. So do you believe 473 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:46,039 in everything or do you just acknowledge that everything could exist? Or everything? 474 00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:49,639 Probably more the latter. I mean, the thing is is that. And 475 00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:52,599 I used to remember before I started doing this, when I used to listen 476 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,559 to somebody like an art bell or somebody's like, well, how can they 477 00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,559 believe in this stuff? And you can't. I don't think you know. 478 00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:05,119 I've had everybody from folks who practice witchcraft, and I'm definitely not a witch, 479 00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,400 although that's somebody's right if they want to practice that. Just because I 480 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:16,199 interview if somebody about something doesn't mean I necessarily it's my personal philosophy, but 481 00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:20,639 my role And a lot of people will ask, well, aren't you a 482 00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:24,280 paranormal investigator? And I'm like, No, I'm not, and I don't 483 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,960 want to be because I lot to have a certain arms link distance from the 484 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,119 subjects, not that I can't be knowledgeable about them and know what the research 485 00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:38,239 says and talk, for example, talking to psychics talking like you. I'm 486 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,000 very interested in what you experience and people like you, but that doesn't mean 487 00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:49,039 I want to be a psychic. My goal is to give a fair hearing 488 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,920 to experiencers, definitely first and foremost, and also authors, experts, psychics. 489 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,480 Give them a fair hearing and let them explain their theories and let the 490 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:06,840 audience decide what they think on it. As far as my personal beliefs, 491 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,760 you know, I can go down the list. I believe the afterlife is 492 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:15,960 real. I believe that there's something phenomena cryptids. I definitely believe in underwater 493 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,760 cryptids, something like Bigfoot. A little bit less, I'm a little more 494 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,800 skeptical, but I'm open to hearing other perspectives. Ghosts, Yeah, I 495 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,079 think they're real. Do I think there's good? I think there's good, 496 00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:36,000 and I think there's actually some evil out there too. I think there's both. 497 00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:38,239 Because I've talked to many of my friends more kind of in the new 498 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,679 age community, and they've got some great things to share. But some people 499 00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,519 will say, well, there's no such thing as evil because it's just a 500 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,559 lower vibration, and I personally disagree with it. I mean, we're seeing 501 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:55,760 a lot of evil going on with Russia and mister Putin's doing. Yes, 502 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,639 so evil is around in the world for sure. Um. So it has 503 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:09,079 to be because because without evil, good cannot exist. Um, there has 504 00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:14,519 to be what what what is one way positive? There has to be negative 505 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,639 without each other, they don't exist. Yeah, that's that's what I think. 506 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,559 That's why I think so. Um you know, for example, my 507 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:24,519 background, I'm having a little bit of fun with some of the stuff in 508 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:28,360 the background. It's real, by the way, it said no green screen, 509 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,159 but h but I was. I thought it was real. I looked 510 00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,199 at it. But um. But the point being is I have fun with 511 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,679 it. But I do take the stuff very seriously, um, because it 512 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:45,719 is serious. It's the nature of our existence. So um, you know, 513 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,199 I think it's important stuff. And I think it's just as important as 514 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,079 the stuff that's in the headlines in the newspaper, so to speak. I 515 00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:58,679 think that and we see with UFOs, I mean, now with the US 516 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,599 government coming out and say yeah, there might be something to this. Um, 517 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,400 you know that's even greater implications. Uh, and in scientists more and 518 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,039 more saying well, yeah, there probably is life elsewhere. Um, big 519 00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:19,199 stuff. We're talking about big stuff. Do you have, um guests come 520 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,880 from on from the dark side or uh, those that would be uh worshiping 521 00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:31,159 evil things or um, like like a Satanist or you know, like the 522 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:38,199 famous one was was, Um. Yeah, yeah, I don't get into 523 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,559 that. That's just a personal choice. I mean, I do believe in 524 00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:46,039 freedom of religion. Uh, you know, as long as you're not harming 525 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:52,440 other people. But for my shows, I've stayed away from that. Yeah. 526 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:58,599 And you're just not into that negative side. No, okay, Um, 527 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,840 have you met anyone on that on your shows that say or do miracles? 528 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,320 As you understand, miracles not so much. I'm very careful about medical 529 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,679 things. Um. Well, well, miracles don't have to be medical. 530 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:22,159 I understand. I understand that I've had people who have experienced miracles. Oh, 531 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,599 yes, have you. I've experienced things where I thought there was divine 532 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,559 intervention. I don't know if I would call them miracles. What would be 533 00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:36,039 the difference then? Between a miracle point. It's a good point, one 534 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:40,920 of my favorite I'll tell you my favorite miracle story. Lead kind of saved 535 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,000 my life. Um, I'm here in Ohio and we have a big amusement 536 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:52,880 park called Cedar Point, which is the probably the foremost roller coaster park in 537 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,079 the United States. Anyway, UM, my wife and I and she was 538 00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,800 my fiance at the time. This would have been nineteen ninety four. She 539 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,880 wasn't my fiance at the time. She was just my girlfriend at that point. 540 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,239 And we decided where we're going to go with some friends. So we 541 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:14,320 went. It was a Saturday night. I dropped her back home and it 542 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,599 was like two o'clock in the morning. She said, And we'd just been 543 00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:22,119 dating for three or four months, and she said, you know, I'm 544 00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,039 gonna ask. She was living with her folks because she was going to grad 545 00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:28,760 school. She said, I'm gonna ask my dad if you can sleep out 546 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,039 in the couch. I'm like, no, no, I barely know them. 547 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:35,000 And it's like she's I'm gonna ask, You're gonna fall asleep. So 548 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,920 anyway, I did it and got up in the morning and had a nice 549 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,119 breakfast everything, and I went back to my house I lived in, kind 550 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,320 of I was moving. It was in the process of getting a new place, 551 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:49,599 actually close to where she lived, but at that time it was in 552 00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,239 a little rougher part of town, because that's kind of where I grew up, 553 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,000 was in the rough part of town. And it was this old eighth 554 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,199 frame style house. And I pull up and I get out of my car, 555 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,480 and the guy who lived in the back half house, the landlord's son, 556 00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,880 said we gotta talk, because he was standing pointing at the house. 557 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,119 I'm like, oh, hey, hey, how's it going. He's like, 558 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,719 there's been a drive by. I'm like a drive by shooting. Whose 559 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,079 house got shot up? He said, our house got shot up. And 560 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:27,599 I was not there that night because of a coincidence. And I had one 561 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:31,519 of those big double door refrigerators that an uncle gave me. Bullet through one 562 00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:37,000 side, bullet through the ketch about the other side. I had a new 563 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:39,800 microwave that took a direct hit and was a casualty. It was. And 564 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,920 the cop said, what does this guy who lives up here, what does 565 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,559 he do? And they said, well, he works for a classical music 566 00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:53,760 radio station. And it was an a K forty seven and It turns out 567 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,760 that about three o'clock in the morning, some people were looking to hit the 568 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,639 house next door. The house next door was light blue. Our house was 569 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,639 dark blue. Somebody told them to hit the blue house under the amber colored 570 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,719 street lights. Our house looked blue, Their house looked white. They got 571 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,079 the wrong house. Now, I can't say with certainty if I would have 572 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:20,679 been killed had I been there, But there's a there's a chance. I 573 00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,320 mean, what if I had gone down because all the rounds hit downstairs. 574 00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:27,679 I slept on the second floor. But who knows if someone was lying in 575 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,159 wait looking for my motion. Who knows if I got thirsty went downstairs to 576 00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:35,360 the kitchen to get a glass of water. Who knows. All I know 577 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,000 it was a very unusual circumstance for me not to be home that night, 578 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,199 and that was the night that my place was riddled with machine gun fire. 579 00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,159 Now again the skeptical say, hey, you were just lucking, just a 580 00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:52,239 coincidence. I think someone somewhere pulled some strings that I wasn't there. And 581 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:59,639 then there's other possibilities that your girlfriend I'm soon to be wife at the time 582 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:05,119 UH had had was was influenced to keep you there too. Yep, Um, 583 00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:10,159 there's many possibilities. But but but but someone was looking after Jim that 584 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,880 night. That's sure been looking like a piece of Swiss cheese. And that's 585 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,199 right, it wouldn't have been good and and things like that. And then 586 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,199 see, Robert, here's where it gets tough for me. Why was I 587 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,559 in that case spared but somebody in another case is not? You know, 588 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:34,480 that's where it gets tough. Well, it's really simple, Jim. Really, 589 00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,360 so it wasn't your time. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's about 590 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,800 that. That's all that's gonna be. Anything else is going to drive you 591 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,199 crazy because I think your number wasn't up. Yeah. I think about those 592 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,880 people that during you know, awful tragedy of nine to eleven, Well their 593 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,480 number was up right, But but you hear about the people who antal appointment. 594 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,840 My kids were running late for school and they were saved and then he 595 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,599 it weren't. It does seem arbitrary, but you're you're right. I think 596 00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:07,159 you're right in the end. I think it's the right read on it. 597 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:12,400 Well, that is something that I have been doing for about fifty seven years, 598 00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:17,119 so you know, like really basically you can drive yourself crazy trying to 599 00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:23,960 figure out what if and really it is, it's it wasn't their time or 600 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:30,159 your time, and you had to you your mission was to do what you're 601 00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:35,599 doing, as well as creating your your your family, and that that's the 602 00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:38,400 reason. Yeah, it's one of those things where I gotta tell you it's 603 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:43,320 it's a mystery. And I think it's a pretty neat job I get to 604 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,079 do. I mean, I love all the tech stuff, I love the 605 00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:50,639 broadcasting part of it. I enjoy the business part of it. But I 606 00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:53,400 mean, you later, on top of this, I get to talk all 607 00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:58,920 day about these mysteries of life. I mean, what a gig. It's 608 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:06,320 wonderful. I'm very grateful, and that is being a success. Yeah, 609 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,599 yeah, do I you know, am I, Joe Rogan and I because 610 00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:14,360 I hear all these people in podcasting all this one signed a million dollars deal. 611 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,519 This signed a two million dollar deal. But I just keep plugging along 612 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,159 and doing my thing, and my audience, which really are the most important, 613 00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:25,880 people seem to enjoy it. And we grow every year. I think 614 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,960 last year we grew by about twenty percent. I was massive, but you 615 00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:34,800 just you know, i'd kind of like the tortoise, you know, I'm 616 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,440 just slow and steady wins the race. And I really I do. And 617 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,280 it's it's nice to be able to get you know. For many years, 618 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,079 I did things that I didn't enjoy, you know, the sales stuff I 619 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:49,920 wasn't crazy about. But to be honest with you, that has been invaluable 620 00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:53,519 in the business side of what we do with advertising and different things, you 621 00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:58,519 know, and that makes the fun part possible. If I hadn't had that 622 00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:02,000 experience, then I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today. I couldn't. 623 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:07,079 I wouldn't have been qualified to make it work. And I think sometimes you 624 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,239 some people call it God, some people call it the universe. That we 625 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:17,719 are put in positions to prepare us for things that we don't yet understand. 626 00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:25,639 I agree. And when we're put in those positions, there's no right or 627 00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:34,400 wrong choice, but the decision we make in that situation determines which way our 628 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,039 life goes right. That makes sense to me. That makes sense to me 629 00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:44,239 because again I remember cursing, you know, Cleveland, it gets cold against 630 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,920 snowy. I'm out here selling these ads. I'm my cuffs are what you 631 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,960 know? Oh, this is just a this is ridiculous. I've got my 632 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,360 master's degree. Why am I doing all this? And then I'm like, 633 00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:00,360 I'm like, be glad, be glad you did that, because how many 634 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,960 lessons I learned and they were all pretty much totally transferable to doing this, 635 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,480 and I wouldn't have had any of those without those hard times. So how 636 00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:16,039 do people find you? Where can they get to your podcasts? Where? 637 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,079 How do they get to you? Well, that's that's the beautiful thing. 638 00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:23,639 Because now basically, if you anybody has a phone and any kind of audio 639 00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:31,440 apps Spotify, Apple Podcasts, I Heart Radio, basically any audio app you 640 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:35,920 have, you can listen. If you don't have a smartphone, you just 641 00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,599 you know, you have a computer Jim Harreld dot com. That's Jim h 642 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:46,440 r Old dot com and you can find all my shows there. And you 643 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:53,840 know, if you are interested in hearing from experts in the feed like Robert, 644 00:53:54,320 --> 00:54:00,599 check out our shows also experiencers and people just like you who experienced something 645 00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:06,440 strange in their life. It could be ghost counts, could be UFOs or 646 00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:10,639 my favorite what I call head Scratchers as Jim Harold's Campfire. And I hope 647 00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:16,079 everybody gets able to is able to check out those free Jim Harold dot com 648 00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:21,800 and on your favorite audio app. You did it like a pro. You 649 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:27,480 must have done this before. I have a few times. I am so 650 00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:32,880 grateful for this opportunity. Thank you, Jim, Thank you very much. 651 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,679 Oh, thank you and bless you and all the listeners out there and viewers. 652 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:43,920 Thank you very much. That was just a fabulous interview today. I'd 653 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,239 like to thank my guest Jim Harrold, for being on and sharing all his 654 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,119 knowledge about podcasts and his awareness of how to do things in such a successful 655 00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:58,559 and professional way. Before we say good night, I have a couple of 656 00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:01,599 requests. If you're watching us on YouTube, please like, comment, and 657 00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:06,440 subscribe to our channel. It's really important. If you subscribe, it gets 658 00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:12,320 us higher ratings in in in in statistics, and that means we can have 659 00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:19,400 more more shows and do have more guests and continue this this uh growing process. 660 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,079 You can find us on Apple, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere else 661 00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:28,639 you find your podcast. If you're looking for me personally, you can find 662 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:34,840 me on my website www dot Robert Lindsay Millen dot com. You can also 663 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:40,719 find me on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok. And now just before I 664 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:47,199 say goodbye, I have these words, do good, stay safe, and 665 00:55:47,280 --> 00:56:05,400 above all just becomment sut w a n but my mind and my to a 666 00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,119 hound, but by my na