WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:05.320 Welcome to Wine Soundtrack USA. You can listen to the passion with which producers 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:10.919 narrate their winery and their world. In thirty answers discover their stories, personalities, 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:14.880 and passions. Hello, friends and listeners of Wine's Soundtrack. This is 4 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:20.079 Alison Levine and today I'm sitting in the Healdsburg tasting room of Idlewild Wines with 5 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:24.640 Sam billbro owner and wine maker. Sam. Welcome to Wine's Soundtrack and tell 6 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:28.160 us a little bit about Idlewild. Thanks so much for having me. Austin 7 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:33.600 So, Idlewild is a Piedmontese focused brand. I started in twenty twelve, 8 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:39.240 assuming I was creating an expensive hobby because who's going to buy our Nason Dolceto 9 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:44.759 and whatnot from California? And eleven years later now I'm still just trying to 10 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:49.439 figure out how to keep up. Yeah, obviously pretty popular and delicious wines. 11 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:54.399 So now you're located, you're tasting rooms in Healdsburg. Where are you 12 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:58.880 sourcing your fruit from? And is it and talk about you know, vineyards 13 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.759 you owe and what you manage and where they are. So starting back twenty 14 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:07.719 twelve, was sourced from a vineyard called Fox Hill in central Mendicino County, 15 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:14.159 where there are plantings that ranged back to the early nineties of these Piede Montese 16 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:19.000 vitals, plus many other Italian grapes. By twenty fourteen I was managing Fox 17 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:26.400 Hill and overseeing the overall operation, and then in twenty and eighteen started sourcing. 18 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:30.879 After grafting to my own property now which is in the Yorkville Highlands called 19 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:36.920 Lost Hills Ranch, high elevation less than twenty miles from the ocean, shists 20 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:42.159 and quartz and sandstone, old lifted seabed sandstone soils. And then in the 21 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:47.400 last few years have developed a new property hired by a wonderful client of mine 22 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:53.319 who has a seventy acre vineyard, and we've now grafted oh shoot fifty of 23 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.359 the seventy acres, and now there are forty six different varieties, mostly Italians, 24 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:02.359 spread across seven acres. Complete experimental vineyard, but beautiful and with some 25 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:07.120 things like Timarasso and Pella Virga and neeta that are the first in the US. 26 00:02:07.479 --> 00:02:10.759 Wow. I mean, you can barely find Nichetta in pumont day and 27 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:15.919 now it's here. That's pretty exciting. So what is your total case production? 28 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:20.800 Friedwald I generally am somewhere in the six to eight thousand case range. 29 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.199 It's a hard question to answer based off of having had COVID and then drought 30 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.520 years all at once, but you know that's the range, and that's kind 31 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.879 of a happy place where I can keep production extremely hands on but also make 32 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:38.159 enough to, especially with our blends, satisfy the thirst day. I guess 33 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:39.960 you would say that's out there, and so for the first that's out there? 34 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:45.039 What markets are you in? I'm distributed, I should time. I 35 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:53.280 don't all this distributed. It in give or take twenty states and three different 36 00:02:53.360 --> 00:03:00.800 export countries, but predominantly the two big ones are new or in California, 37 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:05.240 which is pretty standard. But those we do have several others that do really 38 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:09.039 well for us, like Illinois and Ohio and Minnesota, and some are a 39 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:14.199 little off the normal beating track, but that do great. Wow, Italian 40 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:19.560 grapes from California in the Midwest. I love it. So I know that 41 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:22.960 you are. You grew up in this industry. You are not a first 42 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:27.719 generation, But I'm wondering, what is your first memory relevant to wine? 43 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:35.639 First memory relevant to wine has to be asking my dad when I was who 44 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:40.000 founded and ran married to sellers and would love he would have us sit down 45 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:43.439 and taste blends with him. So I was sitting and tasting and blend with 46 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.120 him when he was putting together his old vine. Read kind of the housewine 47 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:51.199 that he made. Well, it's actually a tie between sitting and tasting and 48 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:54.039 blend with him. When I was probably five and asking him why did he 49 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:57.800 want me to taste it? And his answer was because you're five and you'll 50 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:02.360 be honest, or just getting to go and walk in the venue and to 51 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.280 them and hang out in the cellar. I mean, we would that was 52 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.879 the our time with him, and so I just grew up doing that and 53 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:15.759 that felt like very very normal. So as you got older and became more 54 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:17.879 of a wine drinker and more interested in what would you say is one of 55 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:21.680 the most memorable wines you drank? And what was that occasion? I mean, 56 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.639 the most memorable story is I think realizing why I loved wine. For 57 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:31.519 me, I loved childhood with my dad and my brothers, loved having a 58 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.839 you know, Italian sausage and homeade, Italian sausage and tomato sauce, and 59 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:41.959 gardens and sellers and vineyards and all the rest that was in blue collar vineyards 60 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.519 at that which went. We were actually out there sweating and working with hard 61 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.920 ad. That was wonderful, but I sure as hell was like, see 62 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:48.959 you later. I'm not going to do that. That's way too much work 63 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:54.120 because I never quite had the same connection. I didn't know it for me, 64 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:56.560 and so you know, I think the memorable wine in the end, 65 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.439 I didn't even know who the producer was. I never checked it him. 66 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:01.199 It was the first time a sales rep when I was in the restaurant industry, 67 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:03.519 parting me of Barbaresco. I was just working at the bar and I 68 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:10.040 got to sit on tastings and had a Barbaresco and suddenly lights flash and everything 69 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.800 made sense. And that's why this whole peat Monty's journey. There have been 70 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:16.279 plenty of other bottles along the way, but you know that one single taste 71 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.959 changed the course for me. Yeah. Absolutely. And I know that I've 72 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:26.240 been up visiting at your property, and I know you describe it as finding 73 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:30.519 your alps up there, so I know it's a pretty special place. If 74 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.720 we come into your home, what kind of wines would we find in your 75 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:38.079 cellar? Is it all Italian or do you have a smattering of other things? 76 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:46.959 It completely shifts and always shifts. The only consistent thing is generally Italian, 77 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.480 a good amount of Italian. But that's not to say there won't be 78 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:54.079 Champagne or Burgundier arone in the in the little wine fridge, but I don't. 79 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:58.000 Actually, the only thing I would say I ever buy and really planned 80 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:02.040 to hold onto is is uh, you know, Nebula based wines. The 81 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.439 rest off fine, and I don't buy that many, to be honest. 82 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:10.360 I love places like Chambers Street in New York where you can buy a wine 83 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.160 that's aged and delicious, and I don't have to be the one who's being 84 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.439 patient. Right, So, basically, you don't have a lot of wine 85 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.680 in storage because you drink it all. So is there a particular wine you 86 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:23.800 drink recently in the last couple of days that really stood out? And what 87 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.600 was it? It's a funny time for you to ask that, because I've 88 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.800 actually been taking a little break from drinking as much wine. I've been trying 89 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:34.600 to remember that a good balance in this industry is also key to keeping a 90 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:40.040 great palate. And so it's a funny, funny time to answer that in 91 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:46.360 that way, but I was let me think really quick, that's a good 92 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:51.720 question. Actually, just yesterday we had a importer who we have our wine 93 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:56.480 shop next door to the Odawall tasting room in the wine shops called Chub Brutto. 94 00:06:56.839 --> 00:06:59.480 We do mostly all Italian imports, some other import wines as well, 95 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.360 and tons of fun for us because it's the outlet to explore the things we 96 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:05.519 love to explore and then share that with everyone, and it gives great context 97 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:11.480 to why we do what we do at Idlewild. And one of my favorite 98 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:15.759 import books is naturally called The Piedmont Guy, and The Piedmont Guy represents just 99 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:21.079 amazing hard to find Piedmontese producers and they brought in a new to their book 100 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:26.839 producer from Coluso down at the base of the Alps in northern Piedmont, Alto 101 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:31.399 Pimonte, and the producer was called Jaco Jacometti Bruno, I believe, and 102 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.519 it was perhaps the best air blue I've ever had, and all of us 103 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:39.319 were kind of just shocked and floored, so talking about getting into the geky 104 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.399 little corn in the world. But that's the stuff we love and get excited 105 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:45.000 about. Well, I'm curious about something. You're working with a lot of 106 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.759 different grapes, all from northern Italy, from Piedmont region. You grew up 107 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.920 in the wine industry. Do you think there's a such thing as a perfect 108 00:07:53.000 --> 00:08:01.639 variety? No, no, no, I think there are perfect I don't 109 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.800 even know if there's a perfect wine for a perfect momentum. I think there 110 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.319 are certain things that are great from certain places. There are certain things that 111 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.839 pair certainly well. But at the end of the day, what someone loves 112 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.319 and makes them smile, which is completely subjective and separate to the person, 113 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.519 is what matters more than the rest of it. There's there's no basis past 114 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.079 that. I've always said, I don't you know. We can get as 115 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.439 fancy as you want. But at the same time, if someone loves cabernet 116 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:26.480 and likes to eat fish, who gives a ship, that's what they should 117 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:31.279 do absolutely well. So so it is a subjective thing. So I'm curious. 118 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.080 What's your opinion on wine critics and scores. That's a loaded question. 119 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.720 I've always felt like critics and scores were a great basis point, a great 120 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:46.919 place to learn from. But I always really encourage people to use that as 121 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.360 as exactly that as a basis point, I think I think relying on another 122 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.320 person for something that is subjective eventually leads to not doing the work yourself to 123 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:03.919 keep learning. And I always and even now I will anytime I'm going on 124 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.360 Chamber Streets website to buy an older bottle because I'm excited that for a special 125 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:11.440 occasion, I will look on Chances Robinson's or Antonio Glone's website for a vintage 126 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:16.200 chart and read their reviews. I do love to look at those just out 127 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.840 of curiosity, but past that, I think it's more important for people to 128 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.399 take that curiosity into their own hands and go explore. Yeah. So as 129 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:33.679 a wine drinker, quick answer, red white or rose? All still are 130 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:39.879 sparkling both. Okay, it's pretty easy. I know a good wine drinker 131 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.200 drinks everything. So you make a variety of wines. And you were talking 132 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.720 a little bit about you know how there isn't a perfect you know, things 133 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.519 work together, especially when it comes to food and wine. How do you 134 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.759 approach food and wine pairing? Are there rules you follow or are there certain 135 00:09:54.759 --> 00:10:00.360 tips you can share or is it sort of a come what may, certainly 136 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:01.720 come what may? But then there are just things that work, you know, 137 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.519 and I think that comes from again back to curiosity and having the love 138 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:09.120 of that exact interaction of food and wine. Um. That's just what's what 139 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:15.039 I love so much in the Italian side of food and wine is this kind 140 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.200 of beautiful bit of like the food sometimes has some sort of pushed edge, 141 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:24.120 like call it spice in southern Italy, or or a little forward rich you 142 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:28.279 know, salumi fat, or a little bit of briny cfunk from something like 143 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:33.679 botarga. And then there's wines that have the opposite edge, or you know, 144 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.679 a counterpoint edge that actually make that become more whole. That's that's the 145 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.279 basis, you know. And one for me that I love is that clean 146 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:46.440 bitterness that is so commonly found in Italian whites or lighter crunchy or Italian reds 147 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.120 where it's less it's acid driven, but there's a clean bitterness. And then 148 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:54.360 you can have things that are like cleanly bitter, like arugula and radiquio salads 149 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.799 or um, you know, the hard to pair with, you know, 150 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:03.399 vegetables like artichokes, asparagus. I love where those kind of complimentary pieces fit 151 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.399 together and become better. I've never really thought about that. But the bitterness 152 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.159 of the wine with the bitter foods, you know, because everyone always says, 153 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.679 well, if you're going to have asparagus, you have to have gruner. 154 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.440 But let's go any Italian white. I like that. So for somebody 155 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.200 who hasn't had the pleasure to taste your wines yet, what do you think 156 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.720 they're missing out on? I mean, I'm biased, but I think the 157 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:31.840 wines are damn good. I'll vouch for that. No, I think I 158 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.960 think whether it's my wines or wines like mine from California, if you're not 159 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.320 trying people who are exploring the spectrum of what can be had here, I 160 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.919 think you're missing out on the fact that wine is diverse. Wine is a 161 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:48.200 huge spectrum. I love peanut noir, and I love chardonnay, but and 162 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.360 I love cabernet. But why do we have so much of our acreage planted 163 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.320 as so few grapes. I think that's a disservice to the greater history and 164 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:03.519 culture of wine. I think like wineries like mine and friends who would do 165 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:09.120 similar things really are the ones helping to show that the spectrum is where there's 166 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.360 just more to be had. And you know, I think I've used the 167 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.879 word a few times, that word curiosity, Like the joy of the search 168 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:22.320 is so much more fun than and you can still have all the comforts of 169 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.840 an old favorite even with its new variety. And that's that's really interesting to 170 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.759 me. So, if space aliens were to land on your property right now, 171 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.679 which of your wines would you want to welcome them with? I mean, 172 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.080 on one hand, there it's got to be make a sparkling wine. 173 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.799 A whole series of blends called florin fauna and one of them sparkling, and 174 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.120 you always want to gree with sparkling in many ways. That's a great move, 175 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.960 that's what you greeted me with. Yes. True. On the other 176 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.120 hand, I mean, aliens are kind of weird maybe, and so I 177 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.679 might choose like the weirdest out there wine I make that doesn't have a lot 178 00:12:54.720 --> 00:13:01.159 of context for fun, like something like you know, um, bone dry 179 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.879 and this is new yet at least, but bone dry still briqueto that is 180 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.080 like light light red and flowers in a glass, you know, And that 181 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.639 way, maybe it's just something they don't know of any context that it would 182 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.960 be fun to play things like that too. Oh my God like you just 183 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.799 speak my language. So so you know you're working with unique varieties for this 184 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:24.759 region. I mean, people are not as familiar with it the way they 185 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:30.240 are with other grapes, and we know. I mean, twenty twenty three 186 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.559 is an anomaly in a way because we've gotten so much rain. It's pretty 187 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.559 harvest. So I think you're in pretty good shape. But I'm curious, 188 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:43.120 aside from the atmospheric storms of late, do you see more variation from vintage 189 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.080 to vintage or more commonality or is it? Is it small variation or grandiose? 190 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:58.879 Interesting question. I think that what we're seeing is not necessarily what we're 191 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.440 I look at that and where I'm approaching that is not so much as what 192 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.000 are we seeing with the years, But it's proving the point of what I 193 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.720 think I've already been doing Idlewild and many other producers. So I don't want 194 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:15.360 to take any credit because it's common, but not nearly common enough. Are 195 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.840 you farming for soil health? Are you planting varieties that are have some level 196 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:24.559 of drought tolerance? Are you planting varieties or grafting varieties in places where they 197 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.799 naturally should exist. If you do those things, you don't see the variations. 198 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:33.600 They don't show as much. If you're making sure that there's organic matter 199 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:39.120 in your soil and you are helping the vines to have deep roots, they 200 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:45.320 are more resilient. And if you're not planting chardonnay in a desert landscape where 201 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.639 it's going to thirsty variety in a thirsty zone, you don't get affected by 202 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.960 the drought as much. I think we're proving the point that smart farming and 203 00:14:54.039 --> 00:15:00.279 planting less for marketing reasons, but more for what works from a environment mental 204 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:07.399 perspective will yield over the long term better wines and less variation that we don't 205 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:13.240 want to see. So are there any signs or predictors that you look for 206 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.879 at any given time in the season, And we'll kind of tell you what 207 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:22.480 a what a vintage is going to give you. Interesting again, because I 208 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.320 mean, twenty twenty three is a great example. We've seen more water than 209 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:31.679 we've seen in years and years and years and years, which is honestly very 210 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:37.320 wonderful. There's zero concern because we need it period, but sure that's going 211 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.559 to lead to a certain type of spring where there's more should be more explosive 212 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:46.879 green growth. With human conditions, so there's more mildew pressure, but none 213 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.440 of that really means anything until we get to the point of fruit set because 214 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.559 it's all elastic, and so it really depends on what it still happens in 215 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:56.759 front of us. We just have our starting too in a season like this, 216 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:02.600 have some perception of what's coming, but we don't know until it happens, 217 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:03.960 and then we don't know until that unfolds. Once we get to a 218 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:10.200 fruit set, we're in a less elastic timeline of the year where it's more 219 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:15.200 regulated just by total days and degree. So the only the only thing that 220 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:21.600 will then affect us as having some massive heat wave that comes or having an 221 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:26.159 extremely long length of cold weather let's say in midsummer. Those are all pretty 222 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.919 zone to zone naturally going to happen. So you know, it's elastic, 223 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.080 it's not formed. There's too many variables to say that we can predict it. 224 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.799 I think it goes back to the prior question, are you farming to 225 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.879 have a healthy sight and healthy soil, then there will be less effects that 226 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.600 you then have to worry about from there. Yeah, and I can see 227 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.440 what you mean that you can't really look ahead and predict because anything can happen 228 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.720 at any time. I mean, it can it rained yesterday and you could 229 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.080 have a heat spike tomorrow. You just don't know until it happens. But 230 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.360 I'm curious if you've established any since you can't predict the web other, have 231 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:04.559 you established any rituals that you like to do at the beginning of harvest, 232 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.240 the at the end of harvest, throughout harvest, anything with your team or 233 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:15.000 just you yourself. I wouldn't say rituals. That's an interesting question again. 234 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:23.039 Um, you know, I think I think that I hope and I think 235 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:30.400 that we've developed a team here with the whether it's the people we contract with 236 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:37.160 in vineyards or the seller team, which is really just me and one more 237 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.279 Mike plus in terms of harvest, I think the hope is that we're all 238 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.440 just living in the moments. There's less of this ritualistic thing of like marking 239 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:47.680 the day is like each day is great. We live in a in a 240 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:51.920 beautiful area, we do something we love. To me, there's no difference 241 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:55.799 between the day that bud break happens or the day that or harvest. It's 242 00:17:55.839 --> 00:18:00.559 all a wonderful time and to live in that moment is more interesting, I 243 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.000 think than marking rituals. So since you live in that moment and you're you 244 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.319 know, living in your vineyards and spending all this time, you know, 245 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:12.119 we know we always hear about winemakers that talk to their wine or play music 246 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.319 to it, and I'm curious walking through your vines, um, what sort 247 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.000 of communication do you have with your vines? Do you talk to them? 248 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:23.839 Do you have to criticize them at times or encourage them? Or is it 249 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:29.759 not quite as much like I talk to my vines. I want to make 250 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.119 some dumb joke, like you know, I whisper sweeten things to them in 251 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.400 the desks. No, and they listen. They're in love exactly, No, 252 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.279 I think. I think at the end of the day, as much 253 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.759 as I have completely romantic side to me, I also have a very logical 254 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:51.319 side to me. And I think coming to things with a romanticism and then 255 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:56.599 being really pragmatic leads to really good decision making. And so I'm not out 256 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.640 there talking to the vines. I'm more spending time with them, so to 257 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:04.480 speak, so I can see what they're you know, location feels like, 258 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:08.119 and that goes back to them making sure that you're in my case grafting, 259 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.359 not planting, but because we've done that in several vineyards, on grafting varieties 260 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:17.160 that make sense in specific locations, so you have healthy soils. You're following 261 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:22.960 everything. You're following a very practical, sustainable organic model in the vineyard. 262 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:26.319 When it comes to the grapes coming into the winery, do you think you 263 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.920 have to talk to them at that point in the barrel? Is there music 264 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.160 that you play or is there any sort of communication with the wine itself? 265 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:41.599 Less verbal? We play a lot of music and it's always different. I 266 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.480 think I think there is something to be said about whether it's in the vineyard 267 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:49.039 in the winery, a happy environment where there is a joyous feeling and a 268 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:53.519 feeling of life. You know, in the end, we are interconnected, 269 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:59.079 whether it's people to people or organisms to organisms, and creating a happy, 270 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.240 healthy place does lead to things working. And so I think it's more about 271 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.839 creating that environment through you know, turning their music. I've been happening, 272 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:11.319 good time, making sure that you stopped to have a nice lunch in the 273 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:18.240 middle of harvest and smile and celebrate those whether or not, it's because the 274 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.559 the you know, the fermenting easts or the east that are doing fermentation are 275 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:29.200 directly impacted or were then in a happier place. So we do our work 276 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:33.039 a little bit better. Something there happens, and I think that's more of 277 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.720 the piece. So we've talked all about wine and you as a winemaker, 278 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.480 but I'm going to jump out off that topic a little bit more about you 279 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:45.200 as as as a person. And I'm curious you said that, you know, 280 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.759 you grew up in the wine industry, you grew up in the vineyard 281 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:51.519 with your dad, but wine hadn't grabbed you. So what did you want 282 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:52.240 to when you were a little boy? What did you want to be when 283 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.839 you grew up? Well, as a let's see, a little boy, 284 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.160 I don't really know. I don't have a direct recollection. And me at 285 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.000 that point, I was pretty much I mean, even as a little kid. 286 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:06.880 My dad was one of my best friends, and I just he called 287 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.119 me his little clone, you know, and we were really tight, and 288 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.400 similarly with my brothers, we all were, and so we spent a lot 289 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.240 of time in that way. So I, in one hand, it's not 290 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.680 funny that I'm back doing similar things so he did. But I never really 291 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:22.559 saw it as like, that's what I want to do. It's just it 292 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.599 was more live a life like he lived. And then when I got to 293 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:30.960 college, I worked. I worked several different jobs and I had four different 294 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:33.759 majors, and then I dropped out because I was having more fun playing in 295 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:38.319 a crappy punk band and working at dive bars. So you know, it 296 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:41.880 was never linear, and I don't think I ever landed on one thing. 297 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.680 I think that does maybe go back to your prior question about like I brought 298 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.799 up being romantic, Like that's where the romanticism comes in, is falling in 299 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:52.680 love with something. So I never had really fallen in love with something enough 300 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.480 to want to do it. And tell this And you said you weren't in 301 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:00.960 a crappy punk band, But do you have a favorite singer group today? 302 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:04.680 Are they punk? I have many, many favorites. But one of the 303 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:12.000 bands that I often go back to and probably have listened to the longest overall 304 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:17.920 is The Clash. And if you could have the Clash come here and taste 305 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.880 your wine, which of your wines would you want to share with them? 306 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:23.400 That's that's funny. I think I'd probably go to the corner store. And 307 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:27.599 get some really cheap beer because that seems more their speed. But if it 308 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:33.799 were one of the wines, I probably pour something kind of you know, 309 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.599 something like maybe the air Volution like we're doing here right now. It was 310 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.519 a little something different, a little something fun, a little something playful. 311 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.000 So when you're not working, how do you spend your free time? I 312 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:52.000 have a two wonderful kids who are twelve and eleven, and I spend every 313 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.000 minute I can with them, and the night's there with their mom. I 314 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.480 tend to try to cook and relax and rest because I'm pretty busy between all 315 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:06.640 those other friends. And I'm curious when you're planning a romantic evening, what 316 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:11.480 sort of wines make for that romantic evening? What? What? What do 317 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.680 you sets a mood and will make that whole evening? Just on another level? 318 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.599 God, I guess I'm not good at this part of it. I 319 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:27.599 mean, it's maybe why I'm still halftime a single guy. But no, 320 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:33.440 I um, I don't as I love wine. I love all of this 321 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.839 we're talking about, but again, I don't think of wine that way. 322 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:40.880 It's it's more of a direct connection for me, I would say, more 323 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:42.920 important than wine would be setting. You know, if you want a romantic 324 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:49.680 night, cook something homemade and delicious and go sit out in the beautiful setting 325 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:53.039 in the middle of nowhere. That's romantic. Or go have an awesome experience 326 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.799 like call your first date, going to hike up a mountain. That's more 327 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:03.400 interesting. Um then, and I think this, it's funny. I love 328 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:04.279 making wine. I'm we're talking about this. The thing that I do is 329 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.279 a business. And then I'm going to say something almost anti that. But 330 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.920 you know, at the end of the day, it's a beverage in a 331 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:15.880 bottle, and if what you have close by, it's the moment that matters. 332 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:19.640 Of what you have close by as a the ingredients for a gintana have 333 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:22.960 it great, it doesn't, I don't. I think this edifice we put 334 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:27.079 on wine is sometimes actually it's downfall where it becomes. This bottle is so 335 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:32.720 special, it has weight before you even open it. To me, that 336 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.839 almost detracts from the joy of what it really is, which is something to 337 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:42.440 enhance the moment you're actually in, so separate from wine A question. We 338 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.039 won't talk about wine now now. But I'm curious when you look back at 339 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.119 you, you know, your life and your career. I mean, a 340 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:51.839 lot of people give us advice over the years, and I'm sure your dad 341 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.119 gave you a lot of advice, both as a father and as as a 342 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.079 winemaker. And I'm curious, is there a piece of advice he gave you, 343 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:00.640 or perhaps it was someone else that you carry with you through your life 344 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:11.680 and how you choose to approach life or approach work. I think, actually, 345 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:19.319 what comes to my mind maybe is my brother Jake. Remember getting into 346 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:22.839 high school. He's six years older than me. He's off to college, 347 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.200 and he and I were really close as kids, as I was with my 348 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.119 older brother Scott, two older brothers. They fought like hell. I was 349 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:36.400 close with both of them. But you know, I remember Jake saying something 350 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:40.839 along the lines of, don't have a cool card and just be who you 351 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:44.400 are. Don't try to go be one of the cool kids, because that 352 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:48.279 won't make you happy. And I think that I've always done that. I 353 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.440 never cared about being right in the mainstream. And I think, you know, 354 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:56.720 looking at what I do for work, here's definitely going against the green 355 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.559 in a lot of ways. But or playing in a punk band rather than 356 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:03.240 playing in a pop band, I'm like to just do what makes you feel 357 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:07.920 alive. That that sentiment is what it came through from Jake, who's actually 358 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.960 I have had him on wine soundtrack in the past, So I think it's 359 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:15.240 kind of interesting. I think that's great advice in something that everyone should follow. 360 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.119 But I think it's there's a sort of irony in it because you are 361 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.880 one of the cool kids now with the grapes that you do and the style 362 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:23.440 of the wines that you make, so you know, without even trying, 363 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:29.960 you've become one of the cool kids. I'm curious when you look back at 364 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.319 your life and your children cannot be the answer, but what would you say 365 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:40.279 is one of your proudest achievements to date? I know your children, No, 366 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:44.200 no, actually it means to be honest, I think your children things 367 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.400 you love, but I don't actually think of them as being something I should 368 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.160 be proud of. I mean, I'm proud of them and for who they 369 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.039 are. But I think that's a funny thing. People always answer like, 370 00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:59.920 I'm certainly very proud of the fact that Idlewild has gotten to where it is, 371 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.319 but I think it's those things are easy and the end of the day, 372 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.920 you know, like I I'm proud of the fact that my brothers and 373 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:14.880 I went through losing our dad and stayed with him, and he died in 374 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.880 my arms, and we got to give him the send off he deserved and 375 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:19.759 with a ton of love around him. That's a hard thing to do. 376 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:22.559 I'm more proud of something like that, and the rest I'm more proud of 377 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.759 the fact that, you know, my kids, mom and I have become 378 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:32.440 close friends and can be joyous in a situation we didn't think we were going 379 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:37.319 to be in when we got divorced. And on the same time, I'm 380 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.519 proud of putting skis on my feet and climbing up a mountain and then skiing 381 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.680 down it, like those things matter more. So We're sitting at a table 382 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.240 now when we have a few of your bottles on the table, and I'm 383 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.720 curious, there's an empty seat next to you, who from any walk of 384 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.319 life, living or deceased would you like to be sharing a bottle with, 385 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.119 introducing them or yeah, to idle world, Well, he had out all 386 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.599 before he died, but my dad, he's he's a number one person. 387 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.799 I would love to have a chance to just have another glass on winefmer, 388 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:08.759 just give on the phone to talk to him. So I want you to 389 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:15.480 complete this sentence for me, A table without wine is like meat without salt. 390 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:23.759 You've done a great job. We're almost done. So you know you 391 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.720 were talking about you're talking about UM when we spoke earlier, and you talked 392 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:32.960 about how if if you're good to your soil and your environment and you're watching 393 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.440 everything for your grapes, that they will thrive no matter you know, sort 394 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:41.119 of what climatic issues come about. So I'm curious how you look at climate 395 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:45.519 change and you think we'll be drinking wine and making wine and three hundred years 396 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:52.559 or five hundred years, I am in the end, I'm an internal I'm 397 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.920 an optimist. In the end, I'm banking on the word I was gonna 398 00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:04.599 say each from the optimist. And we've created something very scary as humans, 399 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.359 um, something I don't think we know what's going to look like in the 400 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:14.799 future. But I also do trust that if people as a whole, in 401 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.920 society as a whole, chooses to do what it takes, we're full of 402 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:23.200 ingenuity and we have so much capability. And just read the other day about 403 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:30.440 someone who invented a way to to um basically filter carbon out of the air 404 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.559 and turn it into sodium byicarbonate, which can then be put back into soil 405 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:40.359 and water. Wow. Um, there are mushrooms that can digest and breakdown 406 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:47.519 hydrocarbons and all sorts of offshoots of gas products and oil. We have the 407 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:52.559 capability, So yeah, we should. If we're not drinking wine in three 408 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:57.640 hundred years, we've certainly screwed up. So um. On the off chance 409 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:02.000 that we, you know, to go to a deserted island because you know 410 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.240 world was ending, what three wines would you want to take with you? 411 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:11.960 Good question? Again, I would probably say, I'm gonna alter your question 412 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.960 and turn one of them into a Gintonic because tastes get in the sun. 413 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:23.720 I would then don't have a specific but I would absolutely have a either a 414 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:30.799 delicious like weighted white like a or a sparkling like a Champagne or a shablie 415 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.599 something in that camp. I don't really care what it is specifically. And 416 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.319 then of course I'd have some wine made from the Nebula grape in the red 417 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:42.599 format. Fair enough, So um, it's time to play our little game 418 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.799 in the world finished, and that's pairing wine with music. So this is 419 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.039 a way, you know, music, wine makes you feel a certain way. 420 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.680 Music makes you a certain way. I feel a certain way. So 421 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.319 I want you to kind of pair some of your wines with music. So 422 00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.720 we started with your sparkling Flora and Fauna, which is a blend, Well, 423 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.279 tell us about that one. Sure, it's an non vintage blend of 424 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:11.400 basically early picked rose material um mostly from a couple of different benches than blended 425 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:17.640 together of Nebuolo Delceto barbara um. And then instead of using adding sugar and 426 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:23.240 yeast to create the secondary fermentation and bottle um, I used fermenting our nace 427 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.480 the following year and added at a rate that would get me to the desired 428 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:32.640 pressure. And so that's you know, technically called the method of cestrao um. 429 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.960 And yeah, and what music would you listen to? M That one's 430 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:45.160 pretty fun um I aside of me that loves some old really like fun pop 431 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:49.799 and even poppy like soul in motown. You know, I mean, what 432 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.400 comes to mind. It might not be the song, but something like I 433 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.839 want you back from Jackson five. Just have a good time, okay, 434 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:02.720 And we were we've been sipping the Evoluche the twenty twenty two Voluche. Well, 435 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.720 I did mention that, you know, I maybe poured this one for 436 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.119 the Clash if they came through. So let's just go to my hairite song 437 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:15.279 by them and say straight to Hell by the Clash. Okay, um, 438 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:20.319 let's see you have you said that you're going to be coming out with tim 439 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.039 a Rosso That wine is still becoming what it is, so it's hard to 440 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:29.559 answer. It's like, uh, it's like prescribing the genre someone who's still 441 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.039 just learning how to listen. Well, then we'll skip, We'll move on 442 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.599 to something you have. Um My, one of my favorites of yours is 443 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:42.359 your green Elino. Green Elino's um pretty fun and playful with its kind of 444 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.680 really forward floral fruit, but then it's also got some structure behind it. 445 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.519 Um. So I might want to, you know, play at something that's 446 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.799 um got a little bit of pop but also as like a pretty strong baseline. 447 00:32:55.039 --> 00:33:04.519 Um Um, what would that be? That's like question? Actually, 448 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.759 like maybe some I can't think of a particular song, or maybe something by 449 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:13.160 someone like LCD sound System. Okay, and then we'll do one more, 450 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.200 and that's of course Nebula because that is the the endbulon. I know not 451 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:21.319 every Nebula is the same, so let's focus on your Nebulo. I think 452 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:22.559 Nebula puts me in a different place, and the rest of it does as 453 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:27.480 much as like, there's a side of Nebula that is very much a band 454 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.079 like the Clash for me, because it's like the gritty edges and all of 455 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.400 the thoughtfulness, you know, So it goes to bands like that, but 456 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:39.440 that's not where I feel when I'm when I'm drinking it, Nebule is almost 457 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:44.519 this like sweet, sad, melancholic wine in a way in a way that 458 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.480 I love. It's it's gorgeous, but it's like it's brooding. So it 459 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.279 makes me think of someone like Gregory Allen Azikov, some really great like kind 460 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:59.440 of pretty folk, or maybe even someone like Bonnevair. H. Yeah, 461 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:04.599 I think that's right. Go your descriptor of Nebiolo is just gorgeous. So, 462 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.400 Sam, you have survived and you have been wonderful. I have two 463 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:13.039 final questions. It is a two part question. So the first question is 464 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.440 where in the world, what wine region is the top of your bucket list 465 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:22.320 to come visit or to go visit so twofold, it's always Piedmont because I 466 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.320 always want to go for more and I want to go to every piece I 467 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:31.119 haven't seen. But outside of that, I really really want to get up 468 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.800 on Anna. I have not seen Sicily at all, So Sicily is an 469 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:37.960 entire island in province, but specifically to climb up the mountain and be on 470 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:44.639 Anna. And the last question is if people want to come and visit you, 471 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:47.440 how can they find you? Where can they find you? And what 472 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:52.400 will they find? So the most you know, preparate ways if you're visiting 473 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:59.480 wine country is to come to the tasting room. You will find. One 474 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:04.039 of the things I love that we do is we don't have this ceremonious tiny 475 00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.119 plate of you know, three pieces of prisciutto and a fermented blueberry to serve 476 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:13.199 with our wines. We have a big mounting plate of the best purshutto left 477 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.320 of them, that from the only closed circuit farm that to make pursuto off 478 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:20.800 their own property in Italy, you know, And so get a great product, 479 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.280 tell you exactly what it is with all the details, and then give 480 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.719 a generous serving of it, and then put it next to the wines. 481 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:29.440 That it loves to be near um. I love that. That's how we 482 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:31.119 do what we do. So that's that's why to come to the taste room. 483 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:37.039 But if you aren't lucky enough to come to wine Country in California and 484 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.920 do that, then, uh, lots of retailers have the wines. There's 485 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.360 a website, there's lots of way to get to us, just if nothing 486 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.719 else, and an email to in Out of Wild Wines and find us fantastic. 487 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:52.480 So if you come to Healsburg when you need a break from Pino and 488 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.039 Shard, which are beautiful and you should never need a great break from it. 489 00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:59.880 But right off the square is the tasting room. Here you will have 490 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.199 a special treat. I'm excited to go taste wine. Sam. Thank you 491 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.639 so much for joining us on Wine Soundtrack. I hope you had fun. 492 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.320 I didn't. Thank you all well. Cheers. Thanks for listening to a 493 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:15.159 new episode of Wine Soundtrack USA. For details and updates, visit our website 494 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.400 Wine soundtrack dot com.