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Hello, everybody, it's a Barbenheimer
Summer. Today. We're talking about a

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review of the recent smash hit smash
smash hit Barbie. We're talking about Greta.

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The review Greta Gerwig film celebrates female
empowerment but fall short on Biblical values

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in The Christian Post by Leah Lee
Marie Anne Klett, and it was published

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on August third, twenty twenty three. This was the first review I've ever

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read in a Christian publication, and
I was expecting going in that they were

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just going to rip this movie to
shreds. But I thought the most more

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or less that the reviewer gave it
a fair shake. They had some good

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things to say about about Barbie.
But my my big issue with this is

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this claim that it falls short of
biblical morality and some of the criticisms she

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levels are the I'm not sure who's
a here or she that they the article

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writer levels against the Barbie movie and
it's it's biblical anti biblical message. Rob

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What what were some of the issues
you had with this review? Yeah,

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so, like you, I'm proud
to say this is the first time I've

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ever read a movie was a Christian
review. You know, I've never decided

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to seek one of the doubt or
if anyone sent me, when did I

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ever get But I wasn't surprised at
what the review was concerned with. Yeah,

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it could have been worse, but
I just jotted down some notes about

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things that I found interesting that he
said. The reviewers said that there were

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quote several uses of the Lord's name
in vain, God, damn it,

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Jesus H. Christ. I noticed
that Harry Neff, who was in the

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film, was described as a man
who identifies as trans as opposed to Harry

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Neff a trans woman. Little dig
there, that's rude. The film contrasted

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the bild. He said, the
film contrast a biblical idea that all are

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created equal, and then he links
to Genesis one twenty six. Does actually

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linked there? So I opened it
up. Well, there's a Genesis one

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twenty six let us make mankind in
our own image and our own likeness,

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so they may rule over the fish
of the sea and the birds of the

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sky in the livestock. YadA,
YadA, YadA. There's nothing about gender

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equality there, just going to prove
that Christians don't actually read the Bible ever,

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So what do you think Helen.
So I saw this movie. It

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is a bomb and the soundtrack is
the soundtrack slaps, so I always I

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recommend if you have na seen this
film, it's very fun. Oh bomb

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is good. Yeah, the bomb
is good. I'm not timer I'm talking

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about like, this is the bomb. You're gonna make it super happy.

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I had a lot of feelings.
I cry, but I wear my emotions

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on my sleeves, so I cry
over everything. And what really struck me

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about you know this review, is
that I keep wondering how the streets okay,

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Like like is this streets like really
really okay? Because I have a

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lot of concern because what I took
away from this movie, Yes, the

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message of the film about feminism is
it's like hammered down, like there's no

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cell. But on the flip side
of that, I think that's a really

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good message to send to teenage woman
and people that identify as a woman as

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a teenager, because they can understand
how this exists as part of society,

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about the patriarchy and how things work, and also understand that they do have

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a choice on what type of person
that are going to be, and it's

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it's hammered into it's hammered into the
film in the context, but I got

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it. I was like, yeah, because it's I understand, you know

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how sexism and patriarchy works in society. But to the fourteen fifteen year old

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girl as sitting in the theater,
she just thinks she's watching a movie and

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Nat is carried over. And then
this mofo is complaining that we're using the

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Lord's name in vain. All right, I'm gonna say fuck God. By

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the way, also that he kind
of missed the point of the film,

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and I'm like, well, you
missed the point. This is a secular

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film. They weren't even preaching.
I didn't see any hint of a religion

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at all this film. There was
no churches, there was no Bibles,

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there was nothing. It was the
message that Greti growing wanted to bring home

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was effective in this movie. And
this guy's all but hurt because you know,

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we know hoholding Christian values. It's
like, but this movie isn't Maine

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to uphold Christian values. I'm like, go watch Gossan Dad if you want

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that. Anyway, Jimmy, what's
your kind of what was your opinion on

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this article? Yeah, I think
that is a really good point you made.

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It wasn't made for this purpose of
upholding these values. In fact,

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I think the Christian values are in
stark contrast to what the movie was all

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about. Right, Feminism, female
empowerment, all good things. The Bible

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does not give us that, And
we have just yet another example of a

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Christian misquoting the Bible and writing in
writing this review. The second thing that

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I wanted to say is that I
think it's awfully convenient that this author or

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this uh well, this caller author
Klet references Genesis one twenty six instead of

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Genesis two twenty one, which kind
of makes the woman incredibly inferior to the

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man. And actually we can get
into this a little later, kind of

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off topic, but interesting fun fact, Genesis chapter two was actually written before

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chapter one, and they were switched. And there's a whole study about how

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that happened if you look at kind
of the style of writing and the way

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that people understood the world, etcetera, etcetera. But I digress. She

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carefully selected a quote that she can
kind of use to manipulate to support her

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point, and for what it's worth, I think the author of this article

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was actually actually a lot softer than
I expected for for somebody who was going

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to write write an anti you know, feminist or a pro Christian message,

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quoting specifically Ultimately, Barbie has plenty
of positive and even redemptive moments that can

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serve as a catalyst conversations about identity, worth and even gender roles. The

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problem with that quote, of course, if I read that, if I

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read that separate from the rest of
the article, I would say, what

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a great quote. However, I
know that she's using it for other purposes

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than my own, or then then
somebody who really believed inequality and gender roles

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would use the more so, having
not seen the movie, I can I

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can only agree in theory that the
message of female empowerment was a good one.

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And you know, no Christians should
be surprised that Christian messaging was not

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included in it. It would defeat
the purpose of trying to empower young girls

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and people who are trying to be
comfortable with the identity that they identify with.

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So Aaron, Uh, how do
you feel about all that you want

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to grow? Growing up Christian and
being Christian most of my life? A

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frequent phrase that was uttered at church
of Reek was be in the world but

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not of the world. And I
think the intent of the review is to

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help people that are reading it,
Christians that are reading it to know is

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this an okay movie for me to
go see or is it going to lead

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me more towards being in the world
instead of or of the world instead of

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in the world. And I think
her analysis, their analysis of the anti

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Biblical stands as the movie takes it's
just her work, their mourning the potential

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viewers that you know, this this
might be a dangerous movie for you to

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go see. It might put ideas
in your head, and it might make

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you more of the world instead of
away from the world. And it's an

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interesting One of the more interesting parts
about the movie is is I think she's

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kind of right on one level that
uh she says. They say, though

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Barie tries to empower and uplift women, it often does so at the expense

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of men. And I think she's
right. I think they're right because and

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I think, but I think that's
that's very much on purpose because as I

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was going, as I was sitting
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an experience as a man seeing a
movie where every single man was helpless,

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hapless, insecure, dumb doing stupid
things. No character was defined by other

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people, and it was wasn't until
after the movie where I thought I realized,

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oh wait a second, that's the
experience women have going to see most

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movies and TV shows and media that
are being consumed. This is an interesting

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feeling that I'm feeling. Uh,
maybe I should tribute a little more empathetic

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and seek out media that is a
little more empowering to everybody and not just

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not just men. Aaron Kingy Beach
though, Ky Beach, I cannot beach.

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You can't. You can't beach Beach's
career choices and spoilers. One of

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my big beefs with the with the
review is that it seems to just assume

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that the Bible is just this paragon
of gender equality, absolutely and it is

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not. Rob What do you have
to say about that? Yeah, yeah,

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I was actually going to talk a
little bit about that if I had.

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Sometimes I'm glad get through it to
me. Yeah. It says that

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the film stresses this is the reviewer. The films us is that women must

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take control and dominate others to our
inn respect, Contrasting with the biblical notion

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of mutual respect between men and women. I don't know where that is in

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the Bible. Again, I don't
think Christians read the Aren't I supposed to

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be silent in church? Yeah,
you're not supposed to teach anybody. Also,

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sorry, everybody, I'm talking.
I apologize, cover feed, cover

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feed. The last thing that I
wrote down was the critic the film credit

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claims at the film places a strong
focus on that idea of self reliance and

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individualistic pursuit of happiness in contrast to
the prioritization of community and family values in

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the Bible. But so that would
seem to be like the film's actually in

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line with MAGA and libertarian values to
me, you know, not not worrying

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about the community. I refused to
get vaccinated and help spread the help stop

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the spread of COVID through my community
because of freedom. Freedom. So I

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didn't get that part at all.
One of the things that like when I

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watched this movie, it was one
of those because I did recognize the fact

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that the men were kind of a
side peace, you know, like a

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trophy husband, you know, an
afterthought, And they've actually changed in the

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marketing where Ken was actually Barbie's friend
than her boyfriend to make it more like,

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because that would explain it more why
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her life. And I think that
in the mythology of Barbie that works.

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But the whole idea is that you
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don't have choice of career, they
don't you know, they're they're a side

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peace and even like, and I
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Like listen, I want more equality, you know, for a woman and

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people that identifies woman, but I
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that, but I want equality for
everybody. And he has this concern where

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men were treated as second class citizens, and it's like, yeah, that's

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the point. And also Ryan Gosling's
character falls into this pag triarchy, you

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know ideas, which is something that
we have to take a mirror two and

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go is this healthy for men?
No, it's not, It's not healthy.

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And that was the whole point because
Gretig Growing was like, let's talk

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about the problem the good stuff and
the bad stuff when it comes to feminism

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and how patriarchy also infects feminism and
why we need to have these conversations and

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if you don't have that nuance on
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too, I want to point out
that Harry Neff Neff is a trans woman,

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that was just a barbie. Nobody
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was just there. She was one
of the barbies, and nobody hered,

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which is what we want is that
yep, it doesn't matter, you're part

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of the community. So I thought
that was also really good for representation and

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that we just accept people from who
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the film. So I thought that
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yeah, I already know a lot
of the stuff, but the thing

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I took aways like young people need
to hear this, and like, Aaron,

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I really appreciate that. You're like, oh, oh, oh,

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oh, this is the mess.
Okay, now I get it, you

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know, because there there's something haven't
gotten met. I know what happens.

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People know. I've told me that
it happens and what their experiences are.

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But it's something to hear people have
their experience and then to experience it yourself

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and you're just like, oh,
so you had the opposite reaction Aaron that

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Bill Maher had. I don't know
if you so I texted this and the

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chapter basically said, there was no
point in making this movie because it's a

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hashtag zombie lie and that's to find
that something that never actually happened or did

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happen, but it is not true
yet. So he's basically saying, this

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is such an old tripe. Why
are we still talking about this? Well,

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like I said when we were discussing, when we talked about this,

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is that he's turned into your weird
uncle that thinks everything is woke and that

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he just wants a woman to make
him a sandwich. And that's what he's

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turned into. Anyway, Jim,
did did you have any other opinions on

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this? Yeah? I think I
had some that I didn't I didn't really

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have originally, so I'm a little
maybe embarrassed, but I I completely missed

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some of the points that you guys
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that was the point of the movie. Well, I didn't see the movie

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either, so I guess I guess
I I get a past that. Yeah,

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yeah, well so so my daughter
tells me. But you know,

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I think that was you know,
that's a really good point, Like it's

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a rob's point, you know,
showing like yeah, this is this is

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kind of what women go through or
and Aaron made a similar point, and

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so expanding a little bit on on
what you just mentioned about those quotes from

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from Bill Moore, I I don't
think that this is over. I don't

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think that this is a thing of
the past at all. I think,

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uh, I think I see a
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as as somebody who's in the military. I'm in a male dominated, a

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male dominated industry, and I think
that it's gotten better over time. But

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I came into a military that was
very more like traditional and and and I've

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heard people say things about, oh, I don't I shouldn't have to,

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you know, listen to a woman. And I always felt really uncomfortable about

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that. You know, I came
I came into a military that was h

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don't ask, don't tell. And
now I have, you know, trans

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transgender troops that work in my office, and so I just feel really lucky.

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But I'm so happy to see that
these these conversations are having an impact,

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uh, and that you know,
maybe this movie will have an impact.

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really important for boys and men to
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part of the patriarchy, like you
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these more uh these actions that are
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know, like it's okay to cry, it's okay to talk to somebody,

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It's okay, uh you know,
to to you know, kind of step

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back and let let a woman lead
you, you know, and those are

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also important messages have a lot of
value that I really didn't think of,

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you know, kind of coming into
doing this taping tonight. But uh,

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I think I'm leaving with you know. And of course I didn't need to

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have this conversation to believe that,
but I think our conversation just kind of

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made me want to reiterate, uh
that those points. Yeah, it's it's

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a crazy good movie. It works
on multiple levels. You can you think

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it's just about you know, feminism
in the patriarchy, but there's a whole

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level you can dig down to it. And we look at it. It's

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a Barbie movie about a toy,
but it has nothing to do with Barbie's

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a toilet. You look at the
Transformers movies, you know, those are

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movies about transformers and action and what
the transformers are all about this is is

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a Michael Bay movie, Aaron and
but this is a this is a movie

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that's about Barbie, but it's not
about Barbie, and it's It's been a

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crazy hit. This movie is reaching
and touching people, and it's made over

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a billion, almost one point two
billion dollars. It's the first solo female

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directed UH movie to earn over a
billion dollars. And one of the issues

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I have in the review is the
reviewer calls the movie polarizing, and I

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just have to flat out disagree.
This is not a polarizing movie. It's

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just on a on the quality of
being a movie. It's got eighty percent

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on Rotten Tomatoes, eighty three percent
fan score. That is not a polarizing

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movie. Damn this. This reviewer
may want it to be polarizing. They

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may may want to say that it's
polarizing to drive clicks, but as being

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overwhelming overwhelmingly positively received, it has
an amazing message. UH work. You

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know we were talking. We're here
to talk mostly about the review and the

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Christian message that people how christian is
view it. But I almost wish we

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could have a seton where we talked
about the Barbie movie and the different levels

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it's at and the different message that
it's saying, because it's it's not a

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piece of fluff. It's smartly written, it's well produced, it's well acted.

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It's just it's just got a lot, a lot going for it.

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I was not sure I was going
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for the mashup. I've seen YouTube
videos with Barbenheimer and so you don't have

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to see Oppenheimer and Barbie. You
can just see one movie with the both

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up. Sure you've seen us.
So, but maybe I'll just go see

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Barbie because it sounds like it's a
good movie. I hope, I hope

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I'm not overhyping it. But I
enjoyed it. Well, you just like

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your review was better than the article
we're discussing for sure. Well, and

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I do appreciate he did the I
mean she did in the article pointed out

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the really positive messages. But again, why are you tying this to religion?

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This is not a religious message at
all, Like if you want to

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watch religious your religious movies, because
if you have a hammer, everything is

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a nail and you know that.
Yeah, well, and that's the kind

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of thing. Yeah, but that's
the metaphor we're using because millions, millions

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of girls play with barbies growing up, and they were from all different sorts

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of background, different sort of backgrounds, And that's the message of the film

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that you can meet from a different
background and you can sell found empowerment and

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know yourself, but it shouldn't be
at the expense of other people, you

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know, and that's the real message
of it. And also too, I

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am enough, I'm ken I'm ken
enough, I am I'm okay, like

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Aaron knows my reference. You two
that are not on this panel, not

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no Mania reference. But if you
want to check out more what's going on

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with the nonprofits and maybe more barbaried
reviews or other silly things we talked about,

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please click above you and do the
things